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"MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat"
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08-06-03, 11:36 AM (EST)
 
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"MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
Why do you always see a player from Japan as one of the top vote getters come All Star game time? How did Hideki Matsui end up as a starter this year when there were 10-15 other outfielders better than him? The answer is simple - Asians vote in DROVES for their own and they vote often. This is NOT an indictment of that nor a rascist diatribe for the over-sensitive in the audience. It is a simple fact. I liked Dat. I empathisized with him for the treatment he got from the other comics. I thought that he seemed to be a really nice, genuine guy who worked REALLY hard at his trade, which I think is a highly admirable trait. I very rarely laughed out loud at him, however. Oh - there was the occasional laugh, frequent smiles or amused grunts. But gales of laughter? Not that I can remember. There is no question in my mind that there were three comics who were better than him on that stage last week. (My personal fave was Ralphie who ALWAYS made me laugh.) But Rich Voss or even Corey were funnnier - I never really got Tess. You saw the crowds last night. You heard them last week, too. Ralphie deserved to win that competition hands down. It wasn't even close. Perhaps he offended you politically. Well, THAT is what great comedy is about! Not milquetoast, inoffensive dribble - comedy is about crossing the line. Richard Prior, Sam Kennison, Dennis Leary, Eddie Murphy - when they were at their best, it was because they were shocking you. I'm not saying that Bill Cosby or Jerry Seinfeld aren't funny, too. But I'm pretty sure that no one would compare Dat to those guys. Just my little pet theory. I don't know if things were rigged, but I DO know that the Asian Community is very tight and will do what they can to support one of their own. I think that is what it came down to in the end. This wasn't about who was funniest - it was about who you like more. And there is no question as to Dat likeability. He was painted in a way to make you feel bad for him. And he had some strong backing from his peeps.
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Klay 1 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-03, 11:52 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
The people who found Dat funny are more likely to be voting then the people who find ralphie funny. I personaly felt nobody was in the same league as Dave Mordelo... every thing he joked about was extremely insightful. But of the 5 finalists I felt Ralphie had the best set, but Vos is the more talented comedian. Yet never once did I even think about voting. I think the people who were pulling for dat are people who are insulted by comedy that pokes fun at other people and felt they had a moral obligation to get up and vote. While the rest of us just laughed and moved on.
Notice how Dat is the only person to use the SAME tired jokes week after week. His comedy is so limited. When Dave Mordelo ousted Sean he came back in a challenge the next week with completely new stuff. You would think that everytime you were faced with elimination that you would use your A-1 material but these guys are so talented they just move on to different stuff because they probably get bored of hearing themselves.
Not Dat though.... if I hear that kung-fu joke while taking a leak one more time- that guy wont be back to sleeping under his desk... he'll be in it.
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08-06-03, 11:56 AM (EST)
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PagongRatEater, you just beat me to this post. I strongly agree with much of what you say. But I’d like to add another dimension to your main point. I suspect that if this vote was strictly via phone, Ralphie would have won. I’m not sure, but I suspect Dat had a major advantage on the internet vote. I suspect that Dat’s demographics (young people, etc.) are more inclined to be internet folk, and not only vote 3 for him via internet, but some I’m sure might have found ways to get in more votes. I can’t imagine many of the other finalist’s friends being internet junkies. I know that I can create as many email addresses as I want since I own domain names, so I could have voted as much as I wanted (see rules below). I don’t expect NBC to ever release the details, but I’d really like to know what the results were based on only the phone vote. From the NBC web site “Anyone with a valid e-mail address may vote for his or her favorite comic on-line. However, voting is currently limited to three votes per e-mail address, which simply means that when voting on-line, there is a current limit of three votes per e-mail address allowed. The producer reserves the right to change the limit on the number of votes that may be made from each originating e-mail address, in the producer's sole discretion. Any such change will be available at www.nbc.com.” For the record I voted (via internet) for Ralphie twice and Dat once. I think Dat is funny, but obviously needs more/new material and should benefit greatly from having experienced writers. Leno will also make him look good. Ralphie is a big winner. I think he will be known as the guy that should have won. Some obviously don’t think he’s funny, but I and most others do. In my opinion, he was clearly the funniest and had the most material. When it got down to the final two I said two things to my wife. 1) I bet Dat wins because he likely got a huge advantage from the internet vote, but 2) in the final performances, Ralphie is going to blow away Dat… and I think (beating my own drum) my guesses were right on. Ralphie had new and funny material. Dat was out of gas (and material). No comparison based on last night, and Ralphie was also the best in the finals. I think Ralphie can now work as much as he wants on the Comedy tour and may even get some TV/Movie roles, as he should. I think Mordal was the other big winner. He is clearly very funny and can probably get as much work as he wants now. Vos and Cory also got a lot of publicity and are much better off for having done the show.
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theresnothingfunnyaboutignorance 5 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-03, 03:14 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
>Ralphie deserved to win that competition hands down. It wasn't even close. Perhaps he offended you politically. Well, THAT is what great comedy is about! Not milquetoast, inoffensive dribble - comedy is about crossing the line. Richard Prior, Sam Kennison, Dennis Leary, Eddie Murphy - when they were at their best, it was because they were shocking you.I have to disagree. The comics that you mentioned and others like them (e.g. dennis miller) were great because their jokes were intelligent and reflected a certain political saavy. Ralphie's set reflected his ignorance and was successful because it appealed to the "lowest common denominator" - mass ignorance and bandwagoning (see the pep rally comments in last week's threads). It appeared that he was going for the genre you mentioned, but just didn't have the political saavy to back it up. It was a huge gamble, and it looks like it may have cost him. I, for one, would have voted for him until that set. I ended up voting for my second favorite, dat. my final point being - you can "offend" me, but i'll still "vote" for you as long as you've made an intelligent point in a way that makes me laugh. ralphie (and the audience's response) only made me cringe! interesting point about asians voting for dat. it follows the theme in the thread previous about passionate fans actually bothering to vote (for ralphie and dat) and other fans who enjoyed the other three being the type of person who just wouldn't bother to vote. another reason, i think, why ralphie's bit was such a gamble.
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sbeck 418 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-03, 05:44 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
I agree with you that political comedy works only when there's an intelligent observation underneath the joke. His dribble reminded of the opinions section of my high school newspaper. It's the same reason why shows like "The Simpsons" will be funny 20 years from now while last night's "Friends" episode won't be funny 20 seconds from now.I must say, though, that I don't agree with the thought that Asians "vote in droves" for one another. As a matter of fact, I think it's just this side of racist to say that. It's like saying that African Americans voted en masse for Ruben Studdard because he's black. I think that Dat Phan is intelligent and funny; he's newer, though, and needs to develop a flow. With help, advice, and practice, I think we'll see a more polished Dat Phan. If anything, it will be interesting to watch him grow. And don't worry if your favorite wasn't picked - I'm sure that they'll have successful careers in comedy. Need proof? Just look at Clay Aiken.
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sbeck 418 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-03, 07:45 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
Gotcha. You have a point about the age of voting fans; I was actually more directing my statement to whomever started this thread - sorry!
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PagongRatEater 12973 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-03, 10:51 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
Don't be silly. Just because I made a observation and it happened to have something to do with race is in NO WAY rascist - and I resent the implication. If you read the entire thread, I am also not necessarily condemning said behavior or group.HOWEVER, I was drawing a parallel between the fact that the Mariners' Suzuki and Yankees' Matsui continue to be leading vote getters in Major League Baseball primarily because they have a reliable, active constituency. Anyone who knows politics (and voting is inherently a political excercise) knows that it is essential to have a core constituency that will "turn out the vote". It's not rascist to observe that the Southern Redneck white male is Trent Lott's core constituency, so why would that apply to Dat. Dat had the good fortune to have a very active core consituency - along with enough appeal outside of that constituency to get enough votes to win (i.e. Trent Lott couldn't win elections without white males BUT he couldn't win by only appealing to white males. If you can tell me with a straight face that Hideki Matsui had any right whatsoever to start in this year's All Star game, then I will accept the unfounded "rascist" label that you tried to imply. If not, I would gladly accept your apology.
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sbeck 418 desperate attention whore postings
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08-06-03, 11:41 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
>Don't be silly. Just because
>I made a observation and
>it happened to have something
>to do with race is
>in NO WAY rascist -
>and I resent the implication.
>If you read the entire
>thread, I am also not
>necessarily condemning said behavior or
>group. My apologies; I guess I was hasty in intrepeting your thread. >Anyone
>who knows politics (and voting
>is inherently a political excercise)
>knows that it is essential
>to have a core constituency
>that will "turn out the
>vote". It's not rascist
>to observe that the Southern
>Redneck white male is Trent
>Lott's core constituency, so why
>would that apply to Dat. No arguments there (especially about rednecks and Trent Lott!). Again, I thought you were implying that Asians will do anything to advance their race, including, for example, making up fake email addresses to vote for Dat Phan hundreds of times. This political analogy makes sense to me, and now I see what you're point is. >If you can tell me with
>a straight face that Hideki
>Matsui had any right whatsoever
>to start in this year's
>All Star game, then I
>will accept the unfounded "rascist"
>label that you tried to
>imply.
>
>If not, I would gladly accept
>your apology. Seeing as I'm not familiar with sports, I cannot look you in the eye and tell you that that man had a right to be in the game. So I once again offer my apologies for coming to a too-quick interpetation of your observations.
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PagongRatEater 12973 desperate attention whore postings
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08-14-03, 04:50 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: MLB All-Star Ballot Syndrome And Dat" |
"best outfielder in the history of baseball"?!?!?! I don't know about that! Actually, I do. He does not have anything like the credentials of a Ruth, Cobb, Williams, Mantle, DiMaggio, Mays, Bonds, etc. He MAY, and I stress "may", be among the top five outfielders playing today.However, my point was that he was a leading vote getter for all of baseball as a rookie who accomplished NOTHING in the majors, yet. And Hideki Matsui didn't deserve it at all, but because of a strong, ethnically motivated voting bloc - these players recieved an extremely high number of votes.
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