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"Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles"
starshyn99 174 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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01-09-03, 09:22 AM (EST)
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"Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
Now that we have seen the first episode, I was wondering how everyone thought this compared?I am pretty sure that I didn't like it. See, part of the fun of the Mole was to see if the "regular person" contestent that was playing the mole could hold up under the pressure of living a double life and effectivly deceiving the others. Well, this group of people do that for a living and they are doing it for a way shorter period of time. Were is the challange in that? This is just another role for them all. In addition, I have a real hard time feeling empathy towards these people. Aw, it is so hard, maybe your big sacks of money at home can comfort you. It seems that they are all just hamming up to the camera anyway. Wasn't one of the reasons reality tv developed is because people enjoyed seeing "people just like them" struggle and overcome to create a sense of "I could do that too" Well, it is all coming full circle. I smell the end coming. Plus, I MISS ANDY!! Of course, I have a sickness so despite I will continue to watch!
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Q 2569 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson"
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01-09-03, 09:43 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
I, Personally am still contemplating the issue of actors/actresses playing the mole or not and if it is better.Aside from that though, I enjoyed the show. I loved seeing the celebs kidding around with eachother, bickering with eachother, making fun of eachother, competing with eachother and questioning eachother. Who could the mole be? I am flip flopping on a minute by minute basis during the show. In the end though I could see some trends develop in the way certain Celebs acted. For now I suspect, Bernson, Griffen, Erik, Fred, Baldwin or Boatman are the mole. Have not pinpointed yet. The host could have been better though and hopefully the bickering will only get better. I give the first show a B. Or am I just deluding myself?
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PapaBear 1428 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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01-09-03, 11:20 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
Compared to regular mole, I give the Celeb version a C-. The show takes away too many vital aspects that make the Mole such a great show - like the motivation to win a life changing amount of cash!!! For these guys they are just there to have fun, I am sure that they could care less about the money. Also, they are not even trying to get along. Almost all of them started badmouthing from the first minute of play. This took quite a bit away from the show if you ask me. The non-celeb players played together much better than these guys. As of the first episode, I am not rooting for any of them. Corbin thinks he is the only one with any intelligence, Erik seems to have an IQ of about 70, Frederique is dull, Kathy is crude and hates everybody, and Steven looks and acts as if he is permanently stoned. Kim was semi-likeable and seemed to be trying pretty hard (and also seemed as if she was at least trying to get along with the others) and of course she got booted. Boatman seemed to stay pretty much in the background so it is hard to get a feeling of what he is really like - so far I guess I like him best. As far as Amahad, I don't think that he was too bad. When you measure him against the AC yardstick, yes - he falls way short. But if we didn't have Anderson to compare him to, I think that we would find him adequate. AC left some huge shoes to fill. I am also afraid that this show will be the kiss of death for the series. I pray that it isn't.
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PapaBear 1428 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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01-10-03, 01:50 PM (EST)
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12. "Just curious ..." |
This show can't be the "kiss of death," because ABC has already axed the regular series. Do you have info that I haven't heard yet? As soon as the last mole was finished, it was announced that two more Mole projects were being looked at - first a celebrity version to be followed by another "regular" mole. As GTmike as already stated, the Mole II's ratings can be largely attributed to lack of advertising, not due to the quality of the show. I look at this version of the Mole as an attempt to draw in recognition for the concept of the show so that they can go back to a "regular" version rather than trying to revive a "dead" show. I must say I am surprised that the posters don't like the celebs, especially Kathy, and are actually interested in seeing them cooperate and get along. Blech! I think that there are two types of people watching this show: those who watch "from a distance" and just want to see the interactions between the players, and those who watch "hands-on" and want to figure out who the mole is. I think the majority of the posters here fall into the second group (which would explain why they sought out a message board devoted to the show). I for one would like the concept of the show to be the star, not the celebrities. The show is exciting and draws the viewers in by giving them a role to play - trying to figure out the mystery. I just don't want the idea behind the show to be drowned out by the fights. I think it just takes away from what the show is supposed to be about - a group of people working together to win money for the pot (with the obvious exception of the mole). I am assuming that you would place yourself in the first group. I have seen you post elsewere that you don't buy into the concept of the show and that once Kathy is gone, so are you. It would make sense that someone with these kinds of thoughts towards the show would be looking forward to the fights. I think that the producers of this version of The Mole are specifically catering to viewers like you. I also think they selected who they did (Kathy especially) just for the conflict factor. Perhaps they are hoping that as new viewers watch the back-biting, they will become intrigued enough with trying to figure out who the mole is that they will come back for the next installment. I just hope they are right. This is just my opinon.
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OKCRay 64 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-17-03, 00:46 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Just curious ..." |
Actually, the show was put on hiatus during its initial run due to an extremely poor time slot (Friday night???) and the aftermath of 9/11. When the series was brought back in May of 2002, it started off a bit slow but steadily gained momentum (despite being up against American Idol and having a poor lead-in with According To Jim). I'm watching and waiting along with everyone else, and when the time comes for applying for Mole 4 (note how I said WHEN, not IF!!!), my hat will definitely be in the ring! Wish me luck!!!
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L82LIFE 5333 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-09-03, 11:28 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
The celebs are spending too much time playing to the camera, especially Kathy. She seems to think that she has to be witty and funny (which she isn't) all the time. I would love to see them shed their "personas" and just act like themselves.I agree that the fact that they are all actors makes it a lot harder to read them. They pretend every day of their life, so how can we know who's being truthful? I was entertained, though. It's just not like the regular mole, more like a Hollywood imitation.
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omar316 39 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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01-10-03, 04:37 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
So whats the deal with the regular mole?? If the celebrity version does ok on the ratings will they bring back the normal mole?? I didnt think celebrity mole was that bad, the games were actually cool , if only they had some better celebs. Carter from spin city is the only guy i like
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sittem 4186 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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01-11-03, 09:59 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
Taking the question at face value - no, I didn't like the show. However, I did enjoy the show for what it can provide.First, I like the original concept of the show - put "normal" people in a stressful and suspicion producing environment and see how they perform with the added pressure of cameras running all the time. Watch people "grow" during the show and develop one's own likes and dislikes with the different personalities. As people go further into the game see new parts of their personalities emerge and maybe change an opinion or two. And, try to figure out who is the Mole WITHOUT the help of vidcaps and all to obvious clues the producers provided on M2 (am I bitter about THE ADMIRAL - maybe just a little!!). Most of all, watch the best reality show host add the edge to the show that made it really worth watching each week whether or not I could figure out who the Mole was. This show doesn't fit into any of the above except trying to figure out who the Mole is - and I'm not sure that's a worthy goal here. First, all of these people are actors when they are in front of the camera. Seeing them respond in "natural" ways is probably not going to happen, or at least, I'm not going to know if and when it does. Turn on a camera and they'll mug and act and act "unnatural". Second, for many of us we have some sort of preconceived opinions of these people before the show starts. I'd rather go into the show a "virgin" when it comes to this - I don't "know" any of these people well, but most have impressed me before in some negative way. Finally, they come with various commitments to the game. I'm sure they are all being paid well so they'll "give it their all", but is that their acting all or their game playing all. I don't really know. Again - I prefer the unadulterated game. But, I'll keep watching. I did sort of enjoy it for what it was. Some of the intereactions were mildly entertaining. I did like the waterfall challenge a lot - one of the better ones I thought and the spinning in the falls was great fun (but was cranking the pulley really that hard??). Now, I think we've all seen one to many herding challenges, but the sheep jumping was in itself an entertaining scene and Steve Baldwin playing up the intrigue was good even though we all knew exactly what he'd do. After all, the money aspect of this version is pretty meaningless - I'm sure their appearance fees are more than the prize (or did I miss something and they are playing for charity??). I think Baldwin at least has a clue about how this game should be played. In the end I just don't know if I'll really care about who the Mole is because it's all an ACT for everyone - in a sense they're all really the Mole and all playing parts. As for Ahmad - I've commented on the other thread about him. All said - it's a very pale imitation, but it has it's place in the genre. Now, let's get back to business and bring back the REAL THING!! 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
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AMAI 1254 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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01-12-03, 00:51 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-12-03 AT 00:53 AM (EST)I miss Anderson. The challenges were quite interesting. It's so lame making fun of it seems overkill. It's almost a self-parody. I wonder if the players have each come to the conclusion that they need to play-act a strategy, both to fool each other and the viewing audience. I think it could be an interesting variation. And I don't see what's wrong with having ordinary well-off people. There seems to be an unwritten rule that the final few in any show must "need" the money. Why should people who are reasonably well-off be automatically booted because they don't need the money? Why not have these things where celebrities can play for the money? It may not be a lot of money, but they might not be first & foremost playing for the money. Still doesn't mean they ought to be obligated to hand it over to charity to make it "okay" for them to be allowed to play. It's also possible that if they don't win they don't get any more than other eliminated players get. I reckon that celebrities would be just as interested in trying to play the game as ordinary people. Anyway, it's moderately amusing. I just tape it to have it watch on Thursday while I'm half-watching StarSearch, then later half-watching Bachelorette. Those shows are also only moderately entertaining. Watching them like that makes it seem like I'm only wasting two hours instead of three.
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shanana banana 658 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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01-13-03, 02:31 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
I miss Anderson. The challenges were quite interesting. It's so lame making fun of it seemsoverkill. It's almost a self-parody. =================== I totally agree with this. The original Mole was very interesting and Anderson was a great host. Amad (sp?) just doesn't have it, plus the game is not being taken very seriously and it does seem more like a "part" to the celebrities instead of really being a great opportunity for a regular joe to win some money and a little fame.The best thing about the show is Stephen Baldwin. He is hilarious. I don't think he is the Mole -- he acts like that all the time. And I love Kathy Griffin, although I don't think she's been at the top of her comedy zingers quite yet. For someone who LOVES reality shows and loves talking about them, she wasn't quite as into it as I thought she would be. Well, there's always week two.
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OKCRay 64 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-17-03, 00:55 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
You also have to remember that a major element in the game is missing with the Celebrity version: on this show, the celebs are not isolated from the outside world while they are involved in the game (like they are in the regular Mole). That in and of itself lends a lot of the drama and credibility to the game, not to mention the many levels of complexity.
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mikey 1136 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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01-21-03, 12:00 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Celebrity Mole vs. Regular Moles" |
Regluar versions of any show are better than celebrity versions. As celebrity shows go, this is better than most (primarily because they are playing for their own money), but it has some flaws:1. The timeframe is too short. Each episode seems to last a day, and there is not much happening to fill the hour. Better to have the regular version filmed over a couple of days per episode. When the first person is executed, and she has been there, for what, maybe six hours? the retrospective as to how much the other players will miss them and the video montage seems kind of silly. 2. The number of suspects is too small. You need to start out with at least 9-10, so that opinions can change as you go along. 3. Using celebritites does not allow for interaction with ordinary people or asking them for favors/directions, and the Hawaii location does not allow for language difficulties. "You want to come into my house and bake a pie, Corbin Bernsen, Kathy Griffin, and who are you again Erik?"
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