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"TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Previously: 10 teams left the Outback for Japan.

A car accident delayed the Cheerleaders from the start, while Zev/Justin got another 1st.

Mel/Mike ended up having to be pulled from the Race because of the hypothermic conditions... and were eliminated.

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 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Snidget 03-13-11 1
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST vince3 03-13-11 7
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 2
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 3
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Snidget 03-13-11 4
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST michel 03-13-11 58
 Departure times vince3 03-13-11 5
   RE: Departure times PepeLePew13 03-13-11 17
   RE: Departure times michel 03-13-11 59
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST MsShel330 03-13-11 6
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 8
 Sign of strain. Estee 03-13-11 9
   RE: Sign of strain. MsShel330 03-13-11 10
       RE: Sign of strain. Estee 03-13-11 20
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 11
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST vince3 03-13-11 12
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST vince3 03-13-11 14
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST jbug 03-14-11 64
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST PepeLePew13 03-14-11 67
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 13
 Next task vince3 03-13-11 15
 Meanwhile, back at the Goths... vince3 03-13-11 16
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST vince3 03-13-11 18
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 21
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 23
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST cahaya 03-13-11 55
 The budget issue. Estee 03-13-11 19
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST MsShel330 03-13-11 22
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST michel 03-13-11 60
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST vince3 03-13-11 24
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST vince3 03-13-11 27
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Estee 03-13-11 29
           RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST michel 03-13-11 61
   Partial Globetrotter redemption? Estee 03-13-11 31
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST MsShel330 03-13-11 25
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Estee 03-13-11 30
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 26
   Cowboy priorities. Estee 03-13-11 42
 Extra Roadblock. Estee 03-13-11 28
   RE: Extra Roadblock. Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 37
       RE: Extra Roadblock. ARnutz 03-13-11 53
           RE: Extra Roadblock. Estee 03-14-11 70
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST MsShel330 03-13-11 32
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST ARnutz 03-13-11 51
 Back at Hammer Time vince3 03-13-11 33
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST MsShel330 03-13-11 34
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST MsShel330 03-13-11 36
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Earl Colby Pottinger 03-13-11 46
           Hmmmm Snidget 03-13-11 47
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Estee 03-13-11 40
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST vince3 03-13-11 44
 Finish Order vince3 03-13-11 35
   RE: Finish Order Estee 03-13-11 39
   RE: Finish Order ARnutz 03-13-11 49
       RE: Finish Order Estee 03-13-11 52
           RE: Finish Order ARnutz 03-13-11 54
               RE: Finish Order Estee 03-13-11 57
 Special cameo by Estee 03-13-11 38
 Next time... vince3 03-13-11 41
 Wondering about something... vince3 03-13-11 43
   RE: Wondering about something... Estee 03-13-11 45
       RE: Wondering about something... vince3 03-13-11 50
   RE: Wondering about something... ARnutz 03-13-11 48
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST HobbsofMI 03-13-11 56
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST jbug 03-14-11 65
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Estee 03-14-11 71
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST PepeLePew13 03-14-11 72
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST HobbsofMI 03-16-11 74
           RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Estee 03-16-11 75
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Zimbochick 03-14-11 62
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Loree 03-14-11 66
       RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST PepeLePew13 03-14-11 68
           RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST ARnutz 03-14-11 69
   RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST Zimbochick 03-15-11 73
 RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST jbug 03-14-11 63

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1. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
There you are, was wondering if I was going to have to start this.

Still trying to get used to this on time start streak.

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7. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Don't faint, but I think the Race will start on time during the Tournament... I saw the TV Guide listings for next Sunday, and it appears that any game that might start near Race time will be on the other networks of TBS, TNT, Tru TV...
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2. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
M&M never looked that healthy to me. I don't know what they were thinking to enter again.
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3. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
China has a lot of people?
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4. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
News to me.
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58. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
And they have a lot of chinese restaurants.

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5. "Departure times"
(One wonders what condition the area that they were in last week and will be leaving tonight is in after the Earthquake and subsequent Tsunami...)


Zev/Justin: 8:44pm

Make your way to Jade Dragon Mountain in Li Jang, China. Teams are provided a mandatory flight into another city in China and then they can book their own passage to Li Jan.

Gary/Mallory 9:29pm
Ron/Christina 9:38pm
Sista Act 9:50pm
Globetrotters: 10:01pm, after a 30 minute penalty.
Cowboys 10:34pm
Goths 10:39pm or so... Lucky 7? Positive Mental Attitude... and they already have car issues.
Margie/Luke 11:52pm
Cheerleaders 12:42am

Goths are mega-lost on their way to the airport...

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17. "RE: Departure times"
That area of Tokyo wouldn't have been too terribly affected from the earthquake - my mother was right near the area of Commodore Perry's Landing which is just about 10 miles past Yokohama from Tokyo. No tsunamis in that part of the country.
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59. "RE: Departure times"
I know why Kant used to spell his name Kynt: He adds Ys everywhere. Like in Toykyo!!
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6. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Kynt and Vixxen are terribly lost.
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8. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Unlock the car by pushing the lock button on the remote, and now they are lost and and panicking, K&V are going the wrong way.

This is positive thinking is hard!

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9. "Sign of strain."
This is how we know Vyxsin is stressed: that's the only time she's ever spoken with a Kentucky accent.
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10. "RE: Sign of strain."
I noticed that.
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20. "RE: Sign of strain."
And every other team is racing relaxed because they're convinced there's a lock for last place bringing up the distant rear.
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11. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
R+C pull a fast one by talking to a Chinese man to use his internet and jump ahead.
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12. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Goths are gonna miss their mandatory flight into China... and Vyxsin gets deja vu from what happened in their last leg in Italy... This time Vyxsin was the navigator...

The flight is boarding and there is no sign of the Goths... and the replacement flight departs in the afternoon... they hope to intercept the others in China.


Decision time: Catch a plane or take a train to Li Jang. Two trains depart at 8:50 and 10:16...

Ron/Christina catch the first train, and sneak out.

All the other teams save the Goths are on the 10:16 train...


Goths arrive in China at 1:35am. They're stuck until morning...


Ron/Christina's train arrives around 5:38 in the morning. They make a food stop before they continue on their way.


Connecting shuttle to the mountain starts working at 8:00am...


Adding to their issues, Vyxsin temporarily looses her passport! Fortunately, though, because the airport was so dead, they find it before it gets put in lost/found...

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14. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Goths arrive in Li Jang at 8:15, still have to get to the mountain...


Yak Yak Yak! Battle a Yak!


They must saddle and then ride a Yak across a river... GOOD LUCK!

(Will one be broken? )

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64. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Seemed the flight from Japan to China took a really long time;

I google mapped Japan to China I got
42. Jet ski across the Pacific Ocean

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67. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Jet-skiing from Japan to China wouldn't have made a difference for Kent and Vyxsin -- they'd still have found a way to get lost, and might even have arrived on the LOST island with their ability to read maps...
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13. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
K&V mess up again, how many times will they do this.
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15. "Next task"
Ride a gondola to Spruce Meadow, nearly 3 miles above sea level...


Just sprinting to the Gondola nearly knocked some teams out...


Altitude nearly 15,000 feet...


ROADBLOCK!: Who's living a Charmed Life?

They must search for charms that have all 12 animals of the Chinese Zodiac and then put them IN THE CORRECT ORDER! on a wind chime...

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16. "Meanwhile, back at the Goths..."
Vyxsin's riding the Yak...


Mallory's the first out of the Roadblock and then shows Luke the correct order. Christina departs 2nd, Luke 3rd


Travel to the Old Town Lijang.

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18. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Cowboys out 4th, Trotters 5th, Cheerleaders 6th, Sista Act 7th... Zev/Justin are stuck on the rabbit... Goths are on their way up the Gondola!
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21. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Hope they meet, watch the panic set into Zev if he see them while still looking.
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23. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Ron panic, Zev panic, K&V pray - fun fun fun.
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55. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
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Zev/Justin are stuck on the rabbit

Zev looks ridiculous in that silly red-checkered hunting-style hat of his. He looks like Elmer Fudd.

Where's dat wabbit?!

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19. "The budget issue."
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-11 AT 08:48 PM (EST)

Fly and the cost is paid via your Race credit card. Take the train and the tickets have to be accounted for from your leg funds. If nothing else, Kent & Vyxsin are now ahead of the pack in money saved...

I think Ron may have just become the first person to spend for food on the course in about ten seasons.

And where's the high-altitude tea?

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22. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Ron and Christina got on the wrong bus, rather they got on a shuttle thingy rather than the marked bus. Luckily for them Flight Time and Big Easy told the bus driver to wait for R&C.
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60. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
They can't slow down other racers but they should also make it a rule to race on your own. Quit that helping each other.
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24. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Gary/Mallory catch the 1at marked bus... and crow about still having their Express Pass...

Ron/Christina don't get on the right bus...

Now because they missed the mandatory flight, the Goths are worried about getting a time penalty.... Christina tries to intercept the bus, and they board the Trotter's bus! talk about Karma!

Zev can't get the concept of putting them in the correct order...


Teams must 'verbally' announce their wish and deposit their wishes in their correct Chinese Zodiac symbols...

Detour: Hammer or Horn

Hammer: Pound out some candy!

Horn: Make their way to a square and pick up a MASSIVE horn and lead a parade to a temple...

Lots of Oxes and Rooster... and the Trotters can't figure out their signs...

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27. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Now we see what Zev's last issue was: He had 2 Goats instead of a Horse...

Turns out a Trotter has Dragon for their sign...


Ron's hungry again, and is slowing them down again...

Hammer kinda looks similar to what I've seen about rice pounding for rice cakes... and Ron takes time to snack on their candy...


Vyxsin's breaking down again as she fails to find charms...

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29. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Bad leg, but you have to add in altitude dizziness and lack of body adjustment. She's arguably not operating at full capacity right now.
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61. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
It seems that altitude dizziness turned Ron into Christina's 4 year old!
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31. "Partial Globetrotter redemption?"
Try to imagine them stopping the bus for any other team during their original run. Just try.
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25. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
the Globetrotter's don't know what their zodiac sign is. Flight Time announces that he's a dope.
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30. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
I was waiting for a chorus of "We are dumbasses!" But 'dope' works.
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26. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Ron is a Ox, sound right.
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42. "Cowboy priorities."
'Whores or candy?'
'We'd better think about this.'
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28. "Extra Roadblock."
"Who can get Ron to stop eating?"

Christina took the four-hour penalty.

He's home. It's a little overwhelming.

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37. "RE: Extra Roadblock."
Ron is channelling Gus, Gus <-> Beer, Ron <-> Real Chinese Food.
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53. "RE: Extra Roadblock."
Drew: "Not Chinese food, because we're in China…"
Kevin: "It's just food."

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70. "RE: Extra Roadblock."
And they're just lugs.

But in a good way.

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32. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
I'm really tired of watching Vixxen (or however you spell it)freak out.
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51. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Me too. I felt so bad for her. The freaking likely caused mistakes that may have been avoided of she kept her head.

Of course, I would maybe freak out too if I didn't see any other teams for two days (or so), then caught up to one only to watch them leave while you're still doing the roadblock.

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33. "Back at Hammer Time"
Cowboys and Gary/Mallory escape Hammer.


Pit Stop: The Eternal Tower.


Ron continues to snack, and they're in 5th leaving the Detour...

Zev/Justin arrive at the Detour and choose Horn.

Vyxsin completes the Roadblock.

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34. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Wow, another super leg.
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36. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Oh Lord, now K&V have left their fanny pack in the gondola and they're trying to get the bus driver to turn around.
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46. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
And I repeat, how many times can they mess up?
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47. "Hmmmm"
Pink is the new blonde?
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40. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Do you think this is the new NEL plan? No Speed Bumps, just superlegs?
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44. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
I thought the same thing, and hadn't seen your post until after mine was made...
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35. "Finish Order"
Margie/Luke arrive 1st! They win a trip to Aruba.

Here we go again! THEY'RE STILL RACING!

Cowboys, 2nd
Gary/Mallory 3rd
Ron/Christina 4th
Sista Act, 5th
Trotters 6th
Cheerleaders 7th
Zev/Justin are heading toward the Horn's temple


Not again! Goths have lost their Fanny Packs on the Gondola!

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39. "RE: Finish Order"
This is because Leslie desecrated that shrine, isn't it?
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49. "RE: Finish Order"
Margie looked like she was gonna pass out, then she looked like she wanted to punch Phil in the face!
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52. "RE: Finish Order"
The word Margie didn't want to say has a good chance of being the one I was thinking.
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54. "RE: Finish Order"
Was it !@#&%!?
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57. "RE: Finish Order"
Maaaaaybe...
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38. "Special cameo by "
Jeff's Giant Log!

(Well, we are in China.)

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41. "Next time..."
Can the Goths find their passports and get back in the Race?

Also, the Race heats up as teams approach the DOUBLE U-TURN!

And it appears that Margie/Luke might have made it there first!

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43. "Wondering about something..."
What if, for maybe or maybe not this season only... All of the non-elimination legs are basically treated like Super Legs? At each point that what would be the NEL, Phil then tells them to head out on their next leg, immediately!?!?
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45. "RE: Wondering about something..."
Start a Fanatics thread on it tomorrow? Twice is pushing coincidence.
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50. "RE: Wondering about something..."
I think we should... Poor Jims, even though it's almost a given that Zev/Justin should reach Phil in 8th, especially with the Goths having to backtrack to get their passports in their fanny pack wayyyyy back at the Gondola... He might have to throw out the results this time...


I think we need to take a closer look at AyaK's spoiler thread to see when the next possible NEL/SuperLeg will be...

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48. "RE: Wondering about something..."
I would love that! I am sick and tired of the dumb, lame penalties for those NELs anyway. This is much better.
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56. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-11 AT 10:33 PM (EST)

I was at every point of the race tonight the last time I was in China!

I think I even recognized the Yak I was on.


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65. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
that was you?

kewl!

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71. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
I think you got Jamie's yak.

How bad was the altitude sickness? And how long does it take for the gondolas to make a trip? That last could come into play next week.

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72. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Going from my several trips up the gondola in Banff's Sulphur Mountain, it takes 7 minutes to get from the bottom to the top. Sulphur Mountain is about half the height of Jade Dragon Snow Mountain, so it shouldn't be more than 15 minutes, tops.
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74. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
LAST EDITED ON 03-16-11 AT 12:17 PM (EST)

I did not think it was that bad but then we were walking all the time. Those boardwalks go almost to the base of that mountain in the back ground so it's about a 3 mile walk out to that point if I remember correctly (5k). By the time we were done that day I was whipped but we also walked all over town too.

Gondolas were just one part of the trip up the mountain side from the river area. I think you also had 2 "ski/chair lifts" to go up too. Total time was about 30 minutes maybe.


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75. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Thanks (to both of you). So if the Lost & Found is at the top or they have to wait for the right unsearched car to rotate by, they're going to be praying for a bunch point.
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62. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
Have Margie/Luke managed to complete a single task yet without help from other teams?
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66. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
>Have Margie/Luke managed to complete a
>single task yet without help
>from other teams?


I have been wondering the same thing. They always look to the others to help them along. They are the first team to want to team up. Obviously they don't think they can do anything on their own. Margie is always looking around for help.

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68. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
The Globetrotters haven't been doing anything on their own either, always asking others for help.

The show needs to come up with clues that the contestants can only come up with themselves without any help from others!

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69. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
I agree. They need to force them to do it alone. Especially the roadblocks, where your teammate can't even help you!
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73. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
I certainly hope they change the rules. There is no real competition if they help one another.
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63. "RE: TAR 18 Ep4 ECST"
LAST EDITED ON 03-14-11 AT 10:08 AM (EST)

OOPS
This should have been about the previous week but I sorta put it in the wrong place.

Wondered why Mel/Mike didn't switch to the other detour.
Yes, they would have been in cold water again, but if they had switched sooner, it might not have been so bad.

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