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"Big Brother #14 Week #1 East Coast Spoiler Thread: The Ten-Mile Fall To The First Floor."
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"Big Brother #14 Week #1 East Coast Spoiler Thread: The Ten-Mile Fall To The First Floor." |
LAST EDITED ON 07-22-12 AT 03:57 PM (EST)Fun fact: there are now enough former Big Brother contestants with prison records to make up their very own All-Stars edition. I wanted to tell you this now so you'd have a year to prepare for Season #15. ETA: *shrug* Well, it's not a BB season without an unfixable title typo.
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07-22-12, 07:40 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Recap." |
It's karma or a family curse. On the other hand we have that age old question answered. What kind of women go for that type. Are you surprised?
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07-22-12, 08:16 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Recap." |
Wow, I can't believe you managed to "say" that with a "straight face".
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07-22-12, 08:17 PM (EST)
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4. "First segment." |
Note that the recap gives Britney the fuse-lighting credit for all that came after. But it's not as if some of the others weren't speculating the whole time: she just talked to Willie about hers, and it all went out from there.The Chilltown talks in DR do not work without Will. Malin has reproduced. Yes, that's depressing. Oh, that poor kid... Willie insists he came here to play alone. Because no Hantz has ever benefited from strong social ties creating game friendships and loyal alliances. Britney cannot correct this course. She realizes her team is screwed. Willie does not acknowledge the existence of a team. Dan tells Danielle to buddy up to Janelle's crew for when they need her vote. JoJo thinks she can stay off the block. Willie is going to fight to stay in this game. Tick. Tick. Tick.
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07-22-12, 08:42 PM (EST)
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7. "Coach's challenge." |
Sideways movement across a low balance beam to stack bundles of fake money on a platform at the other end. The rules are a little harsh here: if you or the bundles touch the ground at any point before completion, you're out. No restart or penalty -- just out. This takes an early-leading Britney out first when she knocks some of her supply bundles over while reaching for a fresh one -- and eliminates Malin as he's about to win because he stepped off the beam before ringing the buzzer. Janelle wins it, protects Ashley, and puts Britney's team plus Ian on slop.(Dan threw this, BTW: he wants both himself and Danielle to appear challenge-weak. And this contradicts a report that Ian volunteered for Have-Not.) Willie is unhappy with his Have-Not status. Tick. Tick. Tick. Oh, and in the name of mercy, that's all the description of the challenge you're going to get.
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07-22-12, 09:12 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Coach's challenge." |
I can't argue the point: that was a Britney-centric challenge. But the rats screwed themselves out of having her win by saying a player was out if a bundle hit the ground at any point. She knocked two down from the supply area, not the actual end stack. It would be like using the old slippery-slide tea transfer and taking players out if they spilled a drop while dipping into the pot.
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07-22-12, 10:11 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Coach's challenge." |
They can't even fix the fixed challenges right!
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07-22-12, 09:01 PM (EST)
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8. "And now it gets complicated." |
Willie tries to get JoJo and Shane together for the team he says he doesn't have. Britney pulls JoJo away and reminds her not to associate with Willie.Most of the house is up in HoH ragging on Britney's team. Willie comes up and tells them not to blame his group for what he did. He's told they stuck with him, so they have to pay. Willie announces he intends to get evicted before he's voted out and leaves. The HoH crew looks worried. Downstairs. Willie almost apologizes to JoJo for the whole affair. Eat some pork rinds (one of the Have-Not supplements.) The rest of Britney's crew is down there. Willie calls them all pussies. Britney asks if Willie can leave with class. Willie says no. Joe comes through. Someone asks where Janelle is. Joe says upstairs and heads out. Willie repeats the pussies comment. Joe says Willie is the only pussy there. Willie chases him down into the bathroom, where Ian is just getting out of the shower. Joe goes into a defensive boxing posture, arms close in and fists made. Willie dares Joe to hit him. Blackout to commercial. When we come back, Willie is still yelling for Joe to hit him. The rest of the house hears this and scrambles downstairs. We see Willie chest-bump Joe hard enough to knock him back, basically jumping into him. (Joe will claim there was also a headbutt, which was not televised.) The rats order Willie to the back bedroom. Janelle basically demands to know what's wrong with him before he vanishes. More separation: hamsters to different rooms, no one leaves their assigned spots. Britney is crouched down in utter misery, with Jenn trying to comfort her. Wil, Danielle & JoJo hugging it out in the storage room. Willie is ordered to the DR and removed from the house at that location through Chima's side door. The house is then told to gather in the living room, where Grodner verifies the eviction. Lots of 'you did it to yourself' goodbye messages for Willie, including Malin telling him he blew the one-in-nine chance at the prize and Joe, who pushed the last button, hoping Willie finds peace. Nominations and Veto in the next episode. Roll credits.
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07-22-12, 09:22 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
I dunno, Joe's posture did come off, to me, as more defensive rather than offensive, like in a position to fend off a punch rather than throw one.While some people block open handed, I could see doing your blocks with closed fists as you may be less likely to break a finger that way. After all, didn't Willie come running through the house at him? That would put me in a defensive posture. Now I agree that Joe didn't do anything to defuse the situation and his words could have been designed to set Willie off, but when he basically says he is planning to get himself evicted, and that means violence and he comes running at someone, I don't know how many people would stand in open body beatmewhipmemakemewritebadchecks position and see what kind of violence the guy is going to lead with. There certainly was plenty of testosterone poisoning to go around with that, and I'm sure Willie was hoping he could take someone out with him.
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07-23-12, 07:00 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
I've limited martial arts experience, but I never look at faces for intent. I was looking at the body center like I've been trained and the position of the arms.To me the arms/body position looked much more ready to block a punch rather than positioned for a powerful punch. And I kinda read Joe as a guy that if he is going to punch you, he's gonna make it hurt and put some power behind it. He's not going to throw a girly punch and I know with my arms in those places that's all I can throw. I was taught the face should read ready for business whether you intend to strike first or just defend and only put the person down if forced to. And Joe wasn't in friendly mode, I think he was seeing if he could push Willie and see if the I'm not going to wait for the vote was a bluff or not. Now I agree Joe was fed up with Willie and more than willing to poke at hornet's nest with a stick. I just didn't read the body posture as I'm intending to punch you out for daring to follow me after I said something to offend you. I read it as I'm going to block any shot you take and am capable, if needed, of putting you down if security doesn't get her fast enough. But that's just how I read the posture and I don't think we got the whole story from the editing.
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19. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
Totally agree, Joe's posture was defensive and fully warranted considering he was facing a charging Hantz. Throwing a punch is offensive, holding up arms to block a punch is defensive. Having a fierce expression is appropriate in either situation.My observation of Joe afterwards was that he wasn't even really riled. He wasn't chest beating and declaring that "That little pipsqueak should have his ass kicked" or something adrenaline fueled like that. I (and I assume most of us) have been in a similar situation on occasion, and when the juices are flowing you don't act as mildly as Joe did. And as to provoking the situation, Willie was acting up and calling everyone pussies, and Joe said (in response) the only pussy was Willie. An observation which I feel he was entitled to make considering the circumstances. It might have set Hantz off, but that was inevitable anyway. His fuse was burning, and very short. Willie was the provoker, Joe was the responder, and it was a fairly mild and appropriate response. Joe's Dad was a wrestler? Because it did seem like Joe might have had some training, that was a classic defensive boxing stance.
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07-23-12, 10:03 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
No, Frank's father is. Joe's parents are a happy unknown.
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07-23-12, 07:19 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
Maybe you guys are right but then again, I look at all the violence around; the fights and the killings, and I know that Joe should have been expelled also. He didn't even say a single word to calm Hantz that means he wanted to fight. I don't need to see jerks like that.
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25. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
I agree, michel. Joe didn't truly try to avoid physical conflict. Avoiding means to act in such a way that the situation defuses. It doesn't mean adopting a defensive posture, which is an acceptance that a hit is coming. I really dislike passive-aggressive behavior.They probably didn't want to lose Joe due to the number of players going down, but I expected him to at least get a serious lecture. I had two boys who fought, and very rarely if ever was it the sole fault of the one who hit the other. There was always provocation. It's too bad the network has to produce all the episodes. Don't know if any of you watched the early Shipwrecked by BBC, but their Survivorlike game reached a point where the men decided enough deprivation and got the idea to bribe the locals to take them away from camp to. Local bar. They were caught. The filming wasn't meant to end, but the producers called it game over. Boom. Done. I say let the HG drop like flies and let it be over when there are only 2 left, and it would make it much more "like" a reality show rather than WWF.
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07-24-12, 07:34 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
You're right. In principle. Dead right, I believe. Violence in situations like that should not be tolerated, and those that instigate it should be dealt with. Willie instigated it, and in spite of a lot of provocation Joe did not respond offensively. He stood his ground as one should with a bully. BB evicted Willie, and did not evict Joe. Seems right and appropriate. Joe may actually be a bully, I don't know, but his restrained response wasn't that of either a bully or a pacifist. All I've seen is a person with irritating loudness in the Diary room. In this case, he just did what was appropriate. If someone charges you with blood in his eye as Willie did to Joe, you would have to either defend yourself or run. And there isn't anywhere to go in BB, especially if Willie is going to keep pursuing. And he would have, I think that's abundantly clear. Joe had to get ready to defend himself. And I think that you (just my humble opinion) should direct your feelings about bullies to Willie. I don't know what they didn't show, but based on what they did show, Willie was the bully there, just waiting for someone to give him an excuse. Willie sat there, brooding and cursing and generally ready to lash out at anyone, and Joe just happened to make a remark (after a number of very pointed remarks from Willie) that set him off. The world nor the house revolves around Willie, and it's up to him to control himself and curb his violent instincts, just as it is up to you and me to control ours. And if he cannot, he should be out the door. For him to charge Joe like that was inexcusable and no fault of Joe's. I do not know anyone who would not try to defend themselves against someone acting as Willie did. Well, maybe some would try to run and hide somewhere, but Willie at that point was an unguided missile, he would have gone off on someone else. Maybe a Gandhi could have talked him down. but we can't expect that from untrained people like those in the house. Not being a Gandhi isn't Joe's fault. And by God if you ever maneuver me into the position of having to defend Grodner again, why I'll come across this table so quick...(Smiley face).
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07-24-12, 06:00 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
I dunno if the game really requires one to spend time trying to talk any other player down off the ledge. People do it when they need that person's vote, but just for general harmony, peace and love? Not on a reality TV show.They certainly do not cast shows for people to get along and calm each other down. I think the problem is that physical violence is relatively straight forward to put down a line. There can be some fuzziness to the line, but it is fairly easy to define. Which is worse. Joe putting up a defense when someone is running at him, or the guy screaming in his face to hit him over and over. Where was Willie's responsibility to disarm the situation by saying "oh I didn't mean to frighten you by running at you" and backing down? Now I agree Joe wasn't innocent in setting up a volatile situation, but the responsibility for not crossing the line from verbal violence (and lord knows there is more than enough verbal and emotional violence on these shows every day. Most of the "drama" has some element of emotional or verbal violence imbedded in it, IMO) to physical lies with the individual. The problem is the producers want drama, so you want people who are not going to get along, who are going to yell at each other, make damaging game moves against each other...how do they promote enough not getting along if they ban everyone from ever saying anything that might in anyway upset or inflame a situation? Because really, you never know when calling someone a name or "just messing with them" to throw them off their game is going to push someone over the line to violence. After all it does every day in the real world.
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07-24-12, 10:59 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
Which is worse? Why punish only the worse? Willie was horrible but both were at fault.
No fuzzy line: Two violent men => Throw them both out.
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36. "RE: And now it gets complicated." |
Well, Willie was taken out of the house, which says clearly that he failed to meet his responsibility.I looked at sort of like a bull fight. (Very rough analogy, not perfect.) The matador taunts and provokes the bull into charging, then sidesteps. The matador is a participant and is an essential part of the fight. If the matador jumped over the rails and left the bull alone on the fields, there would be no fight. I don't think Willy was unpredictable. They were all sitting around waiting for the volcano to blow. Willy had said he would get himself thrown out so they couldn't vote him out. Janelle was smiling/laughing when the explosion made them jump up. Britney went and hid to avoid it.
Joe did not. If he felt threatened he could have gone to the diary room. He wanted to show that he wasn't intimidated, but he made a big deal of the exact contact Willy made because he knew BB would throw Willy out. Willy deserved what he got, but Joe was not at all innocent looking to me, and I know that scene was heavily edited. But I guess you're right, he knew how to walk the line and avoid the consequences of crossing it. However, I don't have to like his behavior. Bullying is finding the weak person. Willy went after arguably a well-matched foe. I would say that he picked a fight.
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07-25-12, 08:20 PM (EST)
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40. "So keyed." |
LAST EDITED ON 07-25-12 AT 08:25 PM (EST)Despite Malin's attempts to supposedly backdoor Shane through nominating anyone else (emphasis on 'else' belonging to Janelle) and going for Veto, the nominees are Shane and JoJo, neither of whom could be less surprised. 'Shocker' is thrown around with sarcasm apparent. Britney advises Shane to reintegrate himself. Frank regrets the lack of no-payback HoH, which is what he would have had if he'd gotten to evict Willie the normal way. Shane can't help but agree. Malin decides Danielle is backup in case in the Veto is used. Also that Frank should majorly svck up to the people he just nominated so they won't turn on him later. So how's that tactic worked out, historically? Veto pull. Ian, Wil, Ashley. Joe will host and save money on microphones. Dan and Danielle are both frustrated with her lack of ability to defend herself in this: her backup status is obvious to all. We're really rushing the first half here. At this rate, we'll wind up with thirty minutes of waffling post-competition. Way to not-pace.
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07-25-12, 08:50 PM (EST)
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41. "Yo, is this racist?" |
After Ashley takes three hours to describe her perfect man (he must enjoy sleep and be five years older than she is. By the time this wraps up, it's eight), Joe comes out and does the world's worst Mexican parody accent to announce the Veto competition -- which is going through giant bowls of dip to search for menu item titles while dressed up as chips, as the other hamsters sip their alcohol and watch with bemusement as the players try to place them correctly. Winner will be the most right with the fastest time. Except for Ashley, who can do nothing fast. No. Thing. She turns in a credible performance for accuracy, with thirteen out of sixteen -- but everyone else up through Ian (ascending order of speed) is entirely correct. Which comes down to Shane and his self-proclaimed lousy short-term memory, which had him checking the master board every five seconds.Naturally, he wins. And thus JoJo and Danielle are double screwed, re-screwed, and freshly screwed. (Yes, it's the word of the episode. Take a shot.) Britney tackles Shane and throws them both into the dip. I have no idea how she pulled it off. Frank starts to panic about Shane coming after him. Which Shane does -- going up to HoH and throwing Britney into the dip so he can hold her under until she drowns. He wants a F2 alliance with Frank because he just proved what a competitor he is and why he should be removed immediately, so let's ally up! Shane will leave his mentor. Shane will play as an individual. Shane is dumb. Damn dumb. Naturally, Malin & Frank will tell Shane any lie he wants to hear. Except the one about not using the Veto on himself. Because that would just be stupid. Dan tries to light a fire under Danielle to go out and save herself by telling her he won't do the work on her behalf. This is followed by Danielle asking Shane if he'll vote to save her and getting a definite 'Eh.' This lights a waterfall under her, sending her to the arcade in her Hoodie Of Misery so she can cry it out. Her crush doesn't love her. And no one really believes she's a teacher. Plus Ashley is still talking and that's depressing. Shane is trying to play all sides without knowing what any of them are, so decides he can't sacrifice Danielle just yet and proposes to JoJo that he'll approach Frank and try to get a backdoor replacement nomination on Wil. Because Wil is the threat who isn't flirting with him. JoJo likes this plan because she thinks it improves her odds. Shane likes the plan because he came up with it. Malin is working on another DR fake phone call about how stupid everyone is, but we won't get that until next episode. Can this plan possibly work? Why are you even asking?
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07-25-12, 08:56 PM (EST)
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42. "Because no plan has ever worked." |
Shane uses the Veto and takes himself off the block. Danielle goes up.Like no one saw that coming. Dan claims he has a Hail Mary pass in the making. This probably means he's going to throw a Bible at someone's head. Tune in tomorrow to see how much more pointless this can get.
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07-26-12, 06:08 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Will Kirby to appear on tonight's episode." |
Unfortunately, I'm guessing he'll start by saying that Malin is the best coach.
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07-26-12, 09:06 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Big Brother #14 Week #1 East Coast Spoiler Thread: The Ten-Mile Fall To The First Floor." |
BB talked about Britney's theory of the coaches playing the game so it could turn out to be true. It would be the time also: 4 coaches + Shane and either Danielle and Jojo = the number of players on the other side.
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07-26-12, 09:11 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Big Brother #14 Week #1 East Coast Spoiler Thread: The Ten-Mile Fall To The First Floor." |
Ashley comes up with new definitions for emancipated and introverted! Emancipated: When you get so skinny you get introverted which means your bones start to show!
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07-26-12, 09:20 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Big Brother #14 Week #1 East Coast Spoiler Thread: The Ten-Mile Fall To The First Floor." |
If she's pretending to stupidity in order to make herself look like less of a threat, she'll be up for an Emmy next year. As-is, I want to put her in a dumb-off with Jordan just to see the whole world lose.
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07-26-12, 09:15 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Big Brother #14 Week #1 East Coast Spoiler Thread: The Ten-Mile Fall To The First Floor." |
Julie starts out by boasting about how fast they're losing players and suggests a coach is on the verge of losing it all. Because really, if Danielle goes out tonight, Dan will have no chance to enter the game himself. Or so she wants us to think. What Dan thinks may or may not matter.Recap. Willie's already taking notes for his Reunion spin. Julie then recaps the recap -- apparently we're fatally short on interesting footage this week -- and pretty much says that if Danielle leaves, Dan follows her out. But Julie lies a lot. Next up, we recap the recap of the recap, with re-reviewed footage of Shane pulling himself off the block. Julie now wants us to believe Danielle's showmance with Shane can save her. Except that Danielle doesn't have a showmance. Feeds viewers know Danielle has a crush which Shane hasn't been remotely interested in reciprocating. Shane was a Bachelorette tryout and only wants people who lie about their affections in confessional and to tabloids. So here's your storyline: JoJo goes out because Shane turns on his team for luv. Ye gawds, is Grodner desperate. We now try to spin a Danielle Vs. JoJo for the heart (or somewhat lower) of Shane, as JoJo tries to mock-seduce him in the Have-Not room, with Ian watching. (Ian gets off a good line about boarding the Staten Island Ferry.) Ian then relays this to Danielle, who uses it to increase the amount of misery in her life with a chopped-up DR session. Shane loves her! And only her! And keeps on loving her until she wakes up, at which point she just waits to fall asleep so he can love her again! The story spreads through the house. Janelle, who hath been burnt at this flame before, DR decides this is the excuse for getting JoJo out. She's breaking up the pairing, destroying a voting mini-bloc, and saving Danielle's vulnerable emotions for someone else to destroy. Isn't Janelle considerate? Britney speaks to us on the pains of trying to coach JoJo. Apparently it's like trying to teach a gorilla sign language. Except someone actually managed that. Britney? Can't get through. So she tries to convince Malin to swing the votes against Danielle. Malin knows he has the power right now. He's enjoying it. He's reveling in it. He has forgotten everything he ever knew about this show. But for now, he's pretty untouchable and he's probably going to use that to get JoJo out. Because Britney is female and hurting those is his special pleasure. Dan can wait. Unless Dan gets a sex change, in which case, he moves up on the list. Are we entertained?
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07-26-12, 09:44 PM (EST)
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57. "Vote result." |
JoJo out 5-1: Shane dissenting. Julie tries to sell the storyline about this being a romance thing. Julie is starting to lie on an Azula level, only without the skill. And Dan survives. Is it twist time yet?A tweet appears on the screen, written by Jeff. He likes Malin. Well, one egotistical bigoted idiot to another... JoJo pulls a Rachel to Julie: competitions, competitions, and big moves which may be based in competitions! And she had to be herself even if it killed her. Oh, look: it killed her. Julie teases that we get to vote on a game-changer shortly, then sends us to commercial. HoH up next. (Poisoned slop? No, that would be redundant...)
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DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-26-12, 09:53 PM (EST)
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58. "HoH competition." |
So if you're a producer/rat, how do you tilt this field? Do you want the revenge theme to continue, or are you looking for Malin's crew to walk off with next week and beyond? If it's vengeance, then this is Shane or Danielle next, both of whom may actually want HoH at this point. Or we could have a fair game won by real effort. Or you could stop laughing now.It's knocking a single ball into a numbered slot with a hockey stick. One shot. Highest number wins. Total rerun -- on ice. Julie is rushing shots: apparently the next twist needs some reveal time. Shane gets the highest possible number. Revenge it is! Gosh, Frank, hope you didn't offend him too highly and those lies were sold with no refund attached... Shane, please pick up your HoH key. And Britney. Actually, she'll come to you. I believe Malin is starting to sweat.
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62. "RE: America votes on..." |
Yeah, it's not as if JoJo sold her vote and then went back on her word -- no, wait: Joe did that. He does seem to keep calling others things he turns out to be. So I'm now waiting for him to call someone a total ass. So, if I say that the coaches will be playing, you won't bet against me?! Not a chance. Right now, my only question is 'All in or some?' Can a coach opt out and choose to push for the 100k in relative safety? Free will in BB: what a concept. And you just called it: this whole thing was a stall to get the veterans deeper into the game while cutting down the newbie numbers. Brilliant insight: we were looking at stealth keys the whole time. *slow head shake* Seriously, why do we do this to ourselves?
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