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"Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?"
zazzy 4390 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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07-10-10, 11:21 AM (EST)
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"Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
BB's editing may not be trusted...they suggested who could and could not be the Saboteur with the before and after couch pictures but we'll not know what they edited out.Here's who may be the Sabo: I've only skimmed some live feed info but some hamsters seem to think the Saboteur is Annie. She was sitting in a place that would make it easy to get up, lock the door and then get back. Then there's Kathy, who wasn't on the couches before the lights went out. And then when the lights are on she's on one end. Brendan getting his toothbrush... Andrew being an #####, throwing a pillow... I'll also suggest Lane--he was sitting in one of the blue chairs --the one nearest the door, and he could have swung his legs over the side, hopped up, bolted the door and then sauntered back and sat down again. Just a theory. His demeanor seems like he's hiding something. Like he's working overtime to be aloof. Someone else was sitting between the couches when the lights came on...Monet? I'll have to look at pics. Any other noms for Sabo? Attitude-wise I'd suggest Matt. Who would you totally rule out? --Rachael --need to look at the pics for the seating to get other names
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Belle Book 3556 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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07-10-10, 12:24 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
Annie's running around, telling people what they want to hear. I doubt she's the Saboteur.Andrew and Brendon are too obvious, and I doubt either Britney or Rachel is the Saboteur. The most likely ones for me are the ones I'm noting now: Kathy (she wasn't on the couch before the lights went out), Kristen (she's a little too quiet), Lane (he also might be a little too quiet and you noted his position at the time), Matt (I think he was also out of his seat at the time) & Monet (she was also out of her seat at the time). But we'll find out next Thursday.
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-10-10, 12:52 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
A few feedsters have noticed Matt taking frequent side glances at the cameras, apparently after saying something suspicious. Which doesn't automatically make him the saboteur, but it would turn him into a really lousy liar: that's too large a tell to let its owner survive more than one hand.
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BrassFan 322 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host"
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07-10-10, 01:17 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-10-10 AT 01:17 PM (EST)I'm wondering if the in-house saboteur may have had nothing directly to do with the door locking incident. Is it possible that the door was locked by the production staff during the HOH competition, and wasn't noticed? Or that someone from production was hiding in the house somewhere and locked it when the lights were out? Making a big issue about that could have been dangerous if the saboteur was unable to accomplish the task. For example, if the saboteur was never far enough away from someone to be able to get away undetected. For that matter, what if there is no "in-house" saboteur, and all of the tasks are done by production? That would be a great twist.
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zazzy 4390 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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07-10-10, 01:51 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I've nearly talked myself into Kathy's being the Sabo.--she wasn't on the couch in the before shot (if that was really the before, shot, I do wonder about that) --she's on the couch at one end...and she's the first to get up and harass Andrew for scaring them --she covers her mouth when the Sabo is talking...isn't that one of the tells on "Lie To Me"? --she covers her face with a pillow saying "nooo" or something like that when the Sabo tells there is slop available. (Maybe to suppress a laugh?) --she sucked in the HOH challenge yet looks to be a fit deputy. --I also think it's hard for a 40 year old woman to win BB when there aren't many of her peer group in the house. Deciding to play for the $50k fits. Several of the house guests have sh!t eating grins though,--Matt, as someone mentioned above, is one. Brendan and Andrew. I'm ruling out Enzo, Britney, Hayden, and Rachael. My second choice for Sabo is Monet. She was on the floor after the lights came back on, was missing, and probably assessed that winning $10k would hurt her later in the game and not earlier in the game so she went for the prize. Her body language is part of what makes me think of her as the Sabo.
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bdemoney 745 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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07-10-10, 06:28 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
Based on a totally different way of determining who might be the sabo. I am going to throw out the suggestion that it might be Ragan. For a couple of reasons.First, if you look at the silouette it matches Ragan exactly (although CBS may have completely edited the silouette for obvious reasons). But I also think it might be him since he is a professor who isn't there for the money. I could see him doing it just to show off his intellect and have fun messing with people. Yes, I know my suggestion may be off the mark, but wanted to throw it out there in case I am correct. Looking forward to finding out on Thursday!
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zazzy 4390 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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07-10-10, 07:26 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-10-10 AT 07:29 PM (EST)From Jokers live feeds reports: "annie said she was sitting with the girls during the blackout, and brit said "no you werent" the guys wonder if brit can be accounted for during the blackout. matt doesnt want to rule her out unless he is absolutely sure. " and "Annie tells Ragan Britney was speculating Ragan might be the saboteur in the cabana room."
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zazzy 4390 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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07-11-10, 01:13 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
So forgetaboutit...the black out that is.I wondered why Matt had on shorts then pants...now I read that the houseguests mentioned there were 2 black outs. So we're being shown clips from one and then a redirected second one? That explains why some people moved and some didn't. Why Matt was sitting in the chair Brendan had been sitting in. Why Matt had shorts on and then had on pants in another clip. Even Annie's hair looked different. I've read good rationale for Matt or Ragan being the Sabo; I'll stick with Kathy due to her exaggerated reactions when Sabo and slop were being discussed. Plus, duct tape x's were put on Kathy's and Brit's pictures. And Enzo and Kathy are both missing items. Kathy's trying too hard to make it seem like she's a target ,perhaps? Maybe the houseguests talking about there being two blackouts was one of the reasons BB told them to stop talking about the Sabo?
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-11-10, 01:24 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
This puts the official death to playing along at home. If the banker's going to cheat, the only fair response is to set the board on fire.
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zazzy 4390 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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07-11-10, 04:28 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
Note Annie's hair change, too. It's "put up" in the later pic; it was gathered into a loose ponytail in the first one.
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kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-12-10, 09:33 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-12-10 AT 10:15 AM (EST)Do they beat us over the head with obvious editing clues, or do they use them to try and mislead us? I tend to the theory that the producers will use editing to mislead us, in which case the obvious "suspicious looks" shots would be red herrings. Hence my hunch that Monet is the leading candidate for saboteur. But I have to admit Andrew is a candidate also, he isn't ruled out by being on a couch during the blackout, and he seemed to be much too ready to volunteer for weenie in the first challenge. This could have been preplanned to insure his immunity for the first week in which the producers have less influence. It might seem fishy at first, but subsequent events would tend to obscure this and the others might be looking at someone else by the time nominations came around for the second elimination. My primary vote is still Monet, but back up is Andrew. I'll admit Kathy raised my Sherlockian eyebrows too. ETA: I don't know exactly what to make about the 'Xed' pictures. I assume (? Don't know if this holds up or not) that the pictures were taped in the night, and that any one of them could have done it. The producers may just want to cause over thinking and pointless confusion. Maybe to throw everyone off of Andrew's scent?
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kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-13-10, 08:01 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
Well yeah, that makes sense. If Monet gets a little more face time or a quasi-saboteur edit tonite, there will be a stronger case for her. As for Andrew, he has put a target on his back and that might be misdirection, but I just can’t get past his unhesitating willingness (per the edit) to volunteer to be the weenie without (supposedly) his knowing that it meant he would be immune for one week. I think it’s a good bet that either he had been let in on the secret or he was blindly following producer’s instructions, and that he is the saboteur. Don’t forget, he is the prime suspect (he was the nearest off couch hamster to the locked door when the lights came on) in the locked pantry door caper. I think I caught a lie by Monet. In the background of one of the shots while detailing who was where during the blackout she says she (wild paraphrase) “You were next to me, she was there, and I was here all the time”. But according to the stills, she is lying about her own position, she clearly wasn’t there all the time. The fact that there two (or more?) blackouts might explain that, but it did seem as if she was trying to establish a false alibi for herself. Wish-washy fellow that I am, I’m reversing my order. First guess is Andrew, second is Monet. After Tuesday’s show I may change it again.
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samboohoo 17075 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-12-10, 05:11 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I haven't had much time to do anything other than watch the two shows on CBS.My guess would be either Matt or Kathy. Matt because he is allegedly "so smart." Why would a genius go on this show? Kathy because no cop is that stupid, although we do have Louie and Michael from TAR. I find it hard to believe Kathy struggled that much with those two comps. Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
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rayjj 40 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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07-13-10, 03:25 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I have 2 thoughts on who the Sabo is. The obvious one is Andrew because as stated, the producers probably told him to volunteer out of the first HOH and give him that immunity so the twist didn't get voted out the first week. But moreso I am leaning towards Brittney. She choked bigtime on the first 2 comps, and she seems very flaky so she could be trying too hard to throw stuff as part of her sabotage.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-13-10, 08:15 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I haven't followed all the positional tracking ... I'm not good at that stuff.My thought is that the producers want above all for the twist to last long enough to be memorable. If I were them, I wouldn't cast one of the demographic or lifestyle misfits as saboteur. I would cast someone with the personality to mingle with the herd. I would not cast Kathy or Andrew, as they both have a great shot at getting voted out because they are different. Although Ragan is mingling well as far as what I've seen, he is older. (I think being the gay guy would work in his favor.) The most likely person to stay in is a pretty girl who is good at getting along with people. Any of the strong males have the potential to be seen as early threats, but then their alliance was kind of predictable, so it could be one of the big guys, but see next point. The saboteur should have brains. That leaves out Enzo and probably Lane and Hayden. Brendan has brains that were hidden by "swim coach" -- but then he goes and outs himself, as does Rachel. And they start a showmance, drawing early fire. Annie too is not playing with enough emotional attachment. Then comes the question of whether CBS would edit Sabo as UTR week one. Both Kristin and Monet were UTR on air. There won't be much impact for the audience if either one is announced, as it will be more WHO? I lean towards Britney or Matt. Neither is perceived as an athletic threat; both are socializing well. Kathy and Britney have a bit of a tiff going, but I think Kathy is the one hurt by it. The only thing with Britney is she's let herself be known as the BB expert, right? Sabo really shouldn't reveal having that much knowledge about the show. Matt is an obvious casting choice if CBS was looking at IQ as a Sabo casting factor. You tell me if either of them is ruled out by the couch position. Lastly, IF the Sabo put the lock on, then Sabo knew the blackout would happen, and should have been in a position for a quick exit when it started, certainly not touching anyone. For me that would be the more telling shot to look at. However, producers could have done the padlock to get the Sabo twist going and make everyone start analyzing who was where, in which case Sabo should have been cozying up to someone. While that is a "not fair" way to start the twist, I wouldn't put it past the producers. But, to counter that, if they plan to show us footage of what Sabo did as part of the reveal, like they did at the end of The Mole, then Sabo must have done the padlock. They are so ripping off The Mole with this twist.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-14-10, 07:44 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I meant that the clues left, and the confessionals where hamsters analyze Molish (I mean Sabo) behavior, are reminiscent of The Mole. I see the Russell connection, and I think you're right, but in form, Russell's few bits of sabotage had a different impact, because no one knew it was a saboteur.They could have cast a Russell like Saboteur who would act more like America's Houseguest and carry out a secret agenda. Instead, they announced the twist, which makes if more Molish -- especially the not eligible to win part. They did change it up though, because this Sabo/Mole can be evicted/executed, and is only a twist, whereas of course on The Mole, guessing the identity is the whole deal. Julie didn't say what would happen to the Saboteur if he/she makes the five week mark, did she? It's possible the producers could just do a reveal and take the person out of the house at that point.
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-14-10, 08:25 AM (EST)
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30. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
What happens after week 5? The lame thing would be to reveal him to the hamster and have him leave the house. The interesting thing would be to have him take away part of the $500 000 first prize for each additional week the saboteur stays in the house! Like $50 000 a week. Find the saboteur would REALLY become important.
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-14-10, 09:04 AM (EST)
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31. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
Not just petty, but cheap. Expect the producers to steal it. (As long as no one gets the removed money. At least, none of the hamsters. Ever.)
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kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-14-10, 08:11 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
Weird thing is, it could haven been on the door the whole time. We don't know if the house rats had even looked at it up to that point. Or the Sabo could have put it on in an uungarded moment sometime prior to the blackout, and the blackout was just misdirection drama.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-14-10, 12:04 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I like this idea. The sabo was told to put the lock on the door whenever it was possible. Then they would do the blackout immediately afterwards to cover for it. The sabo could be sure to have an alibi then.
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gumnut 17 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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07-14-10, 05:44 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
The sabo could be Kristin. Someone you would least expect.
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SuperClyde 83 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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07-15-10, 10:25 AM (EST)
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39. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I'm feeling cautiously confident it's Ragan. His name hasn't come up as someone in an alliance, no one views him as a challenge threat, and he's generally well-liked so far. All that places him outside of significant suspicion. Plus, traditionally in BB, he's the sort of hamster that goes pretty far but not all the way to the end. And he seems very smart without being obvious about it. Also, the audio scramble of the voice had me vaguely thinking it matched his speech patterns, but that might be my imagination. That's who I'd cast as saboteur, at least. I don't really put much on the blackout shots or anything. Those are too easy to manipulate by taking out of sequence.
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-15-10, 05:09 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Who definitely isn't the Saboteur and who may be?" |
I hope once they tell us who the Saboteur is that maybe they will actually "do" something interesting. So far it has been kind of a blah idea. I don't really care who it is. But I keep thinking it is probably Matt. He reminds me of the type of person BB would pick to do it. He reminds me of AP's Eric.
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