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"Big Brother's competing realities"
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08-29-07, 12:11 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
Very interesting article. I think it's awesome that the media is drawing attention to BB's manipulation and disconnect with reality. Historically, only the people who watch/read the feeds noticed the inconsistencies. BB producers should know better, considering that they allow people to see what goes on in the house 24/7. It's rather insulting to spin things on TV in a completelly different direction, when we've all seen/read about what truly happens in the house. Obviously, not everything that happens in the house can be shown on TV. And, not every aspect of a houseguests personality can be portrayed on TV. But, at least try to give an accurate representation of the players and the events that are shaping the game. Portraying D!ck as The Father of The Year and Jen as the Psycho-B!tch is just vile.
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leenga 34 desperate attention whore postings
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08-29-07, 12:53 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
interesting! thanks!
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08-29-07, 01:21 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
While I appreciate where you guys are coming from.....I think we are forgeting that one part of the whole reality tv thing....IT IS TV, therefore, it is not reality. I do not watch reality shows to see real life. I see plenty of real life in my daily routine. I watch it for the entertainment value. Anyone who goes on a show and anyone who watches should know that editing happens. Just a fact. Without editing to make it interesting, who would watch? I dare say not many. As for ##### being portrayed as Father of the Year...you must be watching a different show than me. I dont think they have painted him in a better light than anyone else, personally.
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08-29-07, 01:36 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
I agree 2thDr. I get enough so called "real life" every day at work. I work in the automotive world, there is enough real life here to have 6 reality tv shows going at once. I like the entertainment factor. Rarely do I get caught up in the "who are they, in real life?" thoughts. Its TV, just like a character on another sitcom. The people that try out for these shows, have to know what's its all about. If you don't, well then I don't know what to tell you.
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JoshInSGV 737 desperate attention whore postings
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08-29-07, 07:20 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
>These shows aren't "real life" in
>any sense. 10 people
>stuck in a house together
>for 3 months with no
>phones, TV, computer, newspapers.
>Competing for food and the
>power to vote people out
>isn't exactly real life.
>On the other hand, misrepresenting
>the character of a contestant
>or what's going on in
>the BB house through editing
>is something us reality TV
>fans should be aware of.
> That way we won't
>throw rotten fruit at the
>wrong person. I think this is exactly what I was trying to say, but didn't verbalize it as well as Dakota did. We all know that editing is essential to any reality show. It helps to simplify complex events and add drama to the show. However, it seems to me that Big Brother has gone to great lengths this season to unnecessarily misrepresent the people and the events that take place in the house. On any other reality show, this wouldn't bother me as much. But, Big Brother has two things that most other reality shows don't have: Live Feeds and America's Player. The Live Feeds are giving one story, yet the show is giving a completelly different story. This is a misleading type of editing and it has a direct effect on the America's Player twist. The average viewer is probably just following the CBS broadcast and the skewed editing is influencing the general public to vote a certain way. It gives an unfair advantage to certain houseguests by portraying them in a more positive manner, while at the same time demonizing others and making them targets of the America's Player votes. I understand that the networks' bottom line is not necessarily what is fair to the contestants. But, it just doesn't sit well with me how they try to manipulate the public's perceptions.
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08-29-07, 07:28 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
I don't think it is any worse than Maggie on Season 6.Very little to none of the venom that came out in the HOH on the live feeds got on the show. And she and her "friendship" let the venom fly in the HOH room because they believed that the HOH room (for some reason) was not broadcast to the live feeds. There was a huge disconnect between those that followed the feeds and saw what went on in the HOH room and those that just watched the show as we saw time and time again on the boards. How can you hate them they didn't do anything?????
Do you watch the live feeds?
No.
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JoshInSGV 737 desperate attention whore postings
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08-30-07, 11:27 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
What you say about Maggie's editing is true. However, we didn't have America's Player in Season 6. The few America's Choice contests that took place in S6 (which were ALL won by Janelle) had little impact on the game, with the exception of Kaysar's return to the house.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings
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08-30-07, 12:25 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-30-07 AT 12:28 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 08-30-07 AT 12:27 PM (EST) I'm not sure I understand, it is OK to skew the editing if America can't vote for something that effects the game? Even if you try to be balanced and even with 3 hours of programming a week they still have to pick and chose and America in general won't know the whole story at all.
To me America's player (is it fair or not at all) and editing issues are two different things, I never thought of them as one issues.
ETF: stupid keyboard.
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08-30-07, 12:51 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
It's not necessarily right or wrong, just stupid. Knowing that people are going to see the actual events happening live on the feed makes editing those same events in a different light just plain stupid.
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JoshInSGV 737 desperate attention whore postings
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08-30-07, 05:18 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
Maggie's list of unpleasantries would be quite long. In summary, Maggie was at the same level as Ivette/April when it came down to spewing hatred and venom against the other houseguests. Some of her most horrid moments took place in the HOH room, where the entire Friendsheep would gather around and bash the other hamsters (especially Janelle). They were all under the delusion that the HOH room was off-limits to the producers and therefore not being videotaped, which is the reason why they would unleash their most vile and hateful comments in the HOH room. For whatever reason that no one can understand, Maggie's most horrid moments never made it on the show.
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08-30-07, 07:00 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
BB wants their winner to be, if not beloved by the public, at least marginally tolerated. The editing tends to soften on people with a chance to last a while.
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JoshInSGV 737 desperate attention whore postings
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08-30-07, 11:03 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
Even if Maggie had been invited to participate in All-Stars, I doubt she would have accepted. Maggie never expected the backlash against her to be so great. I remember that she cried after a particularly harsh interview. Maggie, April, and Jen realized after the show how much the fans despised them. They all crawled back to whatever hole they came from and have yet to see the light of day. The only one who wanted to redeem herself was Ivette, but the audience wanted nothing to do with her in All-Stars.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings
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08-29-07, 02:21 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Big Brother's competing realities" |
Well I don't think this is new news to anyone.The job of the editors is to tell a coherant story which may or may not closely resemble the raw footage. They will make the most compelling story out of the footage, not the most accurate one. Sometimes the accurate one is really boring, etc. FWIW I do not thnk Dick is getting father of the year or all around nice guy type of edit. He is trying harder at the relationship with Dani and she is using hime. That seems consistant from what I have read from the feeds. Now not all his explosiveness has been aird on the 3 hours a week, but they have to show competitions and stuff. Some of the worst stuff doesn't mke the air IMO because CBS doesn't need the headache, and we seen it from most of the hamsters this year like every year.
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08-30-07, 03:10 PM (EST)
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14. "An FCC response" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-30-07 AT 03:12 PM (EST)The link below is where I got the response from...the person posting didn't post the link that she/he had copied it from: http://forums.film.com/showthread.php?t=21835&highlight=wrestling
The post is as follows:
I copied this from another message board. Apparently the author of this message complained to the Federal Comication Commission and this is the reply that he got. (The posters words)
The OFFICIAL RESPONSE from the FCC is below. They liken Big Brother to professional wrestling and state that the contest is not real and that the outcome is predetermined. If you don't believe me, file your own concern with the FCC. I'm confident you'll receive an identical message.
The response I received: Thanks for contacting the FCC via the online inquiry form, with your inquiry (designated IC Number: 07-x1327xxxx), regarding the 'reality' show 'Big Brother.' We will close your inquiry IC Number: 07-x1327xxxx with this response: A "game show" in which selected contestants (vs. members of the
public) participate is governed by Section 509 of Title 47 of the United States Code (USC), and regulated by the Department of Justice. However 'Big Brother' does not appear to meet the definition of a "game show." Rather, it is a 'for entertainment only' program, somewhat similar to professional wrestling in that it is a pseudo-contest in which the outcome is fully, or in some measure, predetermined.
Very interesting...I wonder how BB and CBS can justify taking money from the text voting (Not mine, not silly enough to waste my money) How do those people who voted actually know their votes were counted and a winner determined? No public stats on how many voted and what the % was for the winner.
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08-30-07, 07:22 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: An FCC response" |
I don't have any doubt that the votes (including America's Voter) are real. Rather, the issue here involves such questions as (1) whether the competitions are predetermined or set to try and keep certain popular players (e.g., Janelle last year) around, (2) how much influence do producers have in the DR, and (3) what impact does the manipulation of "America's Voter" questions have.
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