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"Songs that Speak for US"
Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-17-01, 06:28 PM (EST)
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"Songs that Speak for US" |
I was listening to music today as a respite from the News, and suddenly a song on the CD brought a massive lump to my throat and a tear to my eye, the music and lyrics speaking to me about all the people who have come to the U.S. and the cost of getting here, the cost of staying here. I thought I would share the lyrics at least, although--trust me--the beautiful plaintive music must be heard to bring out the song's full power. I looked for the right thread, and didn't find it. It occurs to me others may want to share favorite songs for the moment, whether to suggest people check them out or post the lyrics. There are many many songs out there I have missed hearing, and I would welcome learning about them. Same perhaps for this song, which happened to strike me on this day, one of many great songs. "Ellis Island"I was driving down Ninth Avenue As the sky was getting dark Didn't have nothin' else to do So I kept on riding to Battery Park I stepped out in the damp and misty night As the fog was rolling in Man said, "Last boat leaving tonight Is the boat for Ellis Island" As my feet touched solid ground I felt a chill run down my spine I could almost hear the sound of thousands pushing through the lines Mothers and bewildered wives that sailed across the raging sea Others running for their lives to the land of opportunity Down on Ellis Island "What is this strange paradise?" They must've wondered through their cries and moans After all they've sacrificed Their faith, their families, friends and homes Then on the Inspection Stairs They were counted out or counted in Frozen while the inspectors stared Down on Ellis Island Now me I only stumbled in Just to wander around that empty hall Where someone else's fate had been Decided in no time at all And cases filled with hats and clothes And the belongings of those who journeyed far They're strange reminders I suppose Of where we're from and who we are But as the boat pulled off the shore I could see the fog was lifting And lights I never seen before Were shining down on Ellis Island Shining down on Ellis Island "Ellis Island," Marc Cohn, 1997,from Burning the Daze (Whole album highly recommended!)
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SherpaDave 8324 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-17-01, 07:05 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Songs that Speak for US" |
This one, for me, has much the same effect. It's probably better known, so not nearly the find that the Cohn piece is, but... put a similar lump in my thought hearing it as I was reading it again."America""Let us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together I've got some real estate here in my bag" So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies And walked off to look for America "Kathy," I said as we boarded a Greyhound in Pittsburgh "Michigan seems like a dream to me now" It took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw I've come to look for America Laughing on the bus Playing games with the faces She said the man in the gabardine suit was a spy I said "Be careful, his bowtie is really a camera" "Toss me a cigarette, I think there's one in my raincoat" "We smoked the last one an hour ago" So I looked at the scenery, she read her magazine And the moon rose over an open field "Kathy, I'm lost," I said, though I knew she was sleeping "I'm empty and aching and I don't know why" Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike They've all come to look for America All come to look for America All come to look for America "America," Simon & Garfunkel, 1968, from Bookends (written in red to compliment the blue of Mr. Cohn's piece)
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-17-01, 07:51 PM (EST)
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2. "Strange Fire" |
Sherpa, I can NEVER hear "America" by S&G without a lump and a chill, especially when the voices soar on the line "I'm empty and aching and I don't why." One of my few perks for being older than most here--I was privileged, at age 15, to hear them sing this song when it was new, at the Monterey Pop Festival. (this was the same night that Jimi Hendrix debuted, those were amazing times) I'm so glad you reprinted it...This one's for the Dangerkitty thread on Falwell/Robertson and the Taliban, and all who preach intolerance. (Had to use Red, clearly) strange firei come to you with strange fire, i make an offering of love, the incense of my soil is burned by the fire in my blood. i come with a softer answer to the questions that lie in your path. i want to harbor you from the anger, find a refuge from the wrath. chorus: this is a message of love. love that moves from the inside out, love that never grows tired. i come to you with strange fire. mercenaries of the shrine, who are you to speak for god? with haughty eyes and lying tongues and hands that shed innocent blood. who delivered you the power to interpret calvary? you gamble away our freedom to gain your own authority. find another state of mind. grab hold. strange fire burns with the motion of love. when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are cast, you will learn to burn the icing sky and to melt the waxen mask. yes, to have the gift of true release, this is a peace that will take you higher. i come to you with my offering., i bring you strange fire. Indigo Girls, title song, Strange Fire, 1987
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09-17-01, 07:56 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Songs that Speak for US" |
Thanks you guys for doing this. I wish I knew the words to AMerica fron Neil Diamond (I think its him) AYaK should know this. That song always puts chills down my spine GOD BLESS AMERICA
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09-17-01, 08:08 PM (EST)
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5. "Because you asked...." |
AMERICA -- Neil DiamondFar We've been traveling far Without a home But not without a star Free Only want to be free We huddle close Hang on to a dream On the boats and on the planes They're coming to America Never looking back again They're coming to America Home, don't it seem so far away Oh, we're traveling light today In the eye of the storm In the eye of the storm Home, to a new and a shiny place Make our bed, and we'll say our grace Freedom's light burning warm Freedom's light burning warm Everywhere around the world They're coming to America Every time that flag's unfurled They're coming to America Got a dream to take them there They're coming to America Got a dream they've come to share They're coming to America They're coming to America They're coming to America They're coming to America They're coming to America Today, today, today, today, today My country 'tis of thee Today Sweet land of liberty Today Of thee I sing Today Of thee I sing Today
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-17-01, 08:20 PM (EST)
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6. "Get Together" |
Thanks, samiam! T, you can find many if not most lyrics on the web if you do a search for the artist, or the title and the word "lyrics." Sorry to keep adding to my own thread (just my way of saying, as this song urges, Come on People) Here's a real old classic; thinking about the Monterey Pop reminded me of the Association performing a moving version in which they inserted a story about atomic apocalypse before the final verse. Although I first knew it from Jesse Colin Young and the Youngbloods, it was also recorded by Joy of Cooking, Indigo Girls, Kate Wolf (Austin City Limits Live), Grateful Dead, and I don't know who else. I found the lyrics on the Dead's official lyric page (an unexpected find thanks to this search), and I left the commentary from that page at the bottom. This song makes one of the best mass singalongs I know.... "Get Together" by Chet Powers (Dino Valenti) Love is but a song we sing And fear's the way we die. You can make the mountains ring Or make the angels cry. Tho' the bird is on the wing And you may not know why. C'mon, people now Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try to love one another right now. Some will come and some will go And we shall surely pass. When the one that left us here Returns for us at last. We are but a moment's sunlight Fading in the grass. C'mon, people now Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try to love one another right now. If you hear the song we sing You will understand. You hold the key to love and fear In your trembling hand. Just one key unlocks them both It's there at your command. C'mon, people now Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try to love one another right now.
--------------- From Dead web page: "What a joy it was to hear Phil and his Friends perform Get Together during his Fall, 1999 tour. It's such a wonderful song, full of meaning and memories. For those who doubt that "the 60's" made a lasting difference, consider that this was a revolutionary song back then. Where we grew up in the '50s and '60s in that place they call the Midwest, the kindest thing that anyone around us could say about Get Together was that it was "Communist propaganda" ..... and that's just one more reason that we moved the fuck out of Ohio as quickly as we could. Jesse Colin Young and the Youngbloods popularized Get Together in 1967 with an extremely beautiful, lyrical rendition."
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-17-01, 09:14 PM (EST)
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10. "10000 Wars" |
Sami, I was listening to N-I-S the weekend before the attack...this excerpt is beautiful. I have the Indigo's cover of "Get Together" and in fact have sung along with them when they played it here in Berkeley's Greek Theatre. They do Georgia and the South proud.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-17-01, 09:54 PM (EST)
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11. "Coincidences" |
"Get Together": an amazing story. The fact that the Youngbloods had the hit with "Get Together" was in large part due to a choice by RCA Records, a drug bust, and a public service ad. The song was a well-known San Francisco anthem written, as OFG notes, by the legendary SF-area musician Dino Valenti (best known as the leader of Quicksilver Messenger Service). Shortly after he returned to SF from the coffeehouse scene in NYC in 1963, he changed his name (from Chester Powers) and recorded the original version for Autumn Records, but it was never released. (For those of you who never heard of Dino Valenti, SF critic Ralph Gleason described Valenti the folk singer this way in 1965, "Valenti had the kind of charisma that really turns the female audience on and he's so good musically that it doesn't ruin him with the males.") Jefferson Airplane recorded the song under the title "Let's Get Together" and included on their 1966 debut album ("Jefferson Airplane Takes Off"). It was intended to be the Airplane's second single, but the Airplane asked to re-record it, and so a different single ("Blues from an Airplane") was issued instead. The producer who was assigned to do the re-recording for RCA decided to dump the new version in favor of "Somebody to Love". So, another RCA band, the Youngbloods, recorded the song instead ... but their version flopped as a single in 1967. Supposedly, Valenti intended to re-record the song in an electric version with QMS -- but he was busted for marijuana possession (reportedly only two joints) and spent two years in California state prison. Before his trial, Valenti sold his rights to "Get Together" to raise money to pay for his lawyer. The song later was picked as the backing for a public service announcement (in favor of environmentalism, I believe), and the Youngbloods' version was used in the ad. Even though the group had already left RCA, the label reissued the song as a single, and it became a Top-10 hit.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 05:58 AM (EST)
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31. "Great story, Aya!" |
*Does Happy Dance that AyaK's posting all over this thresd and telling the backstory on stuff**Also happy that Itz likes this song so much. I almost didn't post it thinking it was too 60's. If you like Get Together, Lisa, I bet you would like "Give Yourself to Love by Kate Wolf* This is a terrific story, AyaK, and all new to me about how the song bounced around. (although I did/do have the Airplane's first album but forgot to list their cover). Tangent-- I asked my husband about any past with QSM, and caught him in the rare mood to reminisce about when he knew all these SF bands when they were just like "garage bands." Example, the Warlocks (AKA Grateful Dead), who lived a couple blocks away in Palo Alto. Hub and his girlfriend went to support one of their first real gigs, where they were only opening for an RnB duo. He and his girlfriend were the only people dancing in front of the stage, trying to get some energy going. True story, my husband helped start the tradition of dancing to the Dead in an altered state... I'm so proud of him! He was also telling me about how he started working with Bill Hamm at the Filmore, when the light show was at its inception. He was shooting/editing film image loops and he suggested Hamm add them to the show, so he and Bill were doing it together. Then someone else came along and used his science/engineering background to come up with liquid projection with dyes. Sigh. He was in on all the beginnings. No fair. So he knew QMS from the Filmore. But when I said Dino Valenti, he said he remembered Dino used to play at the "Insomniac"--a beat coffeehouse on Sunset Strip, where black comedy people like Lenny Bruce and Jonathan Winters were performing at the time. (Which led to another great tangent about Winters taking his clothes off during his act one night and the LAPD carting him away...) My husband helped run the Insomniac coffeeshop and 'beat' bookstore (owned by Mickey Cohen's nephews), and he thinks that was about 1960, because he had just turned 21. So Dino must have gone to NYC after that (trying to fit it with Aya's chronology)... but husband says all the dates from the 60's run together in his mind and are not deemed highly reliable... The happenings happened but the order gets jumbled! Sorry to digress so much but I am finding the memories comforting and who knows, they might interest you young 'uns. (Some other time I'll find a way to work in his Ken Kesey, Neil Casady, Jack Kerouac memories)
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SherpaDave 8324 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 12:01 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Great story, Aya!" |
You touched ever so briefly on Lenny Bruce, who infiltrated my life for several months one year at Northwestern. There was one class in the Performance Studies department that EVERYONE wanted to take, and that two of my room-mates actually did take. Basically, the entire quarter was dedicated to crafting one person's life into a one-person show, typically about an hour long. Final exam was public performance of said show. So, for several months, I lived with Lenny Bruce and Jim Bouton. And Hunter S. Thompson came over to visit a lot. Had I gotten into the class, btw, I'd have been Ken Kesey (there's your opening for that; and another tangent: my favorite piece I ever wrote was a reflection, of sorts, on Cassady's last words; I can't seem to find a copy of it anywhere, but if I do, I will most certainly post it). My first experience with Kerouac, as well, was seeing one of these shows during my freshman year (whew, just worked in all three of your folks, openings galore!).Okay, lots of expostion above to explain why I seemed to have picked up lots of Lenny Bruce stories. One of my favorites is from the first episode in which he was busted for obscenity. Until that point, the performers at Second City had never used profanity on stage before. Del Close was vamping, talking about nonsense in a way that only Del Close can do, when one of the other performers came running onstage. "Del! Del! Lenny Bruce just got arrested for obscenity!" Pause. Del: "No shit?" Blackout. By the way, if anyone ever wants to see the kind of humor that shakes ever so occasionally achieves, rent Lenny Bruce's concert movie. Skip the act. It was his second-to-last performance before OD'ing, and is seriously depressing. After the concert, however, is an animation of one of Lenny's best known routines, "Thank you, Mask Man." Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 05:09 PM (EST)
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41. "Great story, Dave!" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-01 AT 05:14 PM (EST)Loved this bit of your history, Dave. I will be re-reading On The Road tomorrow as I have to lead an American lit class discussion on it Thursday. I would love to see your piece when you find it. My husband--aka Joe, husband is such a stuffy-sounding word to keep using--met and hung out with Kerouac in the North Beach coffee house/bookstore/poetry-reading scene of the early 60's--more of an acquaintanceship than a close tie. Jack had published On The Road but he was not full of himself. Later, Joe left S.F. (he had been attending the S.F. Art Institute) and went to Palo Alto where he hooked up with Kesey, the Warlocks, Owsley (Joe had some chemistry know-how, shall we say), and became friends with Neal Cassady. Joe was there at Kesey's when Cassady arrived driving his schoolbus. His main comment about Neal--"he was a madman and he talked faster than anyone I've ever known!" But he liked him anyway. Edit: Dave, I notice you listed Richard Brautigan on your Criminals website... Joe met Richard through a mutual friend during the time somewhere in this period that Joe tried out the back-to-nature scene in Big Sur. *loves Confederate General in Big Sur--made me ROFL*
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SherpaDave 8324 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 06:05 PM (EST)
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44. "Quick asides" |
Love the stories from you and Joe. I find Cassady particularly fascinating, serving as he does as the common link between Kerouac and Kesey. You mighta noticed the use of the name Japhy in one or two of my stories; that's, in its way, an homage to Cassady; Japhy was the Cassady character in Kerouac's "The Dharma Bums." Coupla quick tidbits.Two of the guys who were early influences on my writing (but who aren't quite so obvious now) were Kerouac and Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. In one of his more autobiographical works (possibly "Wampeters, Foma & Granfalloons," but it's been a while), Vonnegut talks about having coffee with Kerouac. They were sitting in Kurt's kitchen when Kurt's son Mark came in. Jack started screaming at Mark about how Mark didn't know anything about him, apparently because Mark was dressed in a way that suggested to Jack that Mark thought of himself as one of the Beats. Go figure. This was late in Jack's life and a few screws seemed to have come loose. An aside to the first tidbit: I'd read several times Kurt referring to his kids as being better writers than he. It wasn't until I read Mark's "The Eden Express" that I believed him. Quite an amazing little tome about the descent into madness. Recommended reading, but not if you're depressed to begin with (sorta like Styron's "Darkness Visible : A Memoir of Madness;" it's amazing, but I can't read it anymore). Second tidbit. In Kesey's "Demon Box," there's a story called "The Death of Superman" (again, I think; been a while since I've read this one, too). In it, Kesey finds out what Cassady's last words were (I alluded to this earlier). Ready for this? "Sixty-four thousand nine hundred and twenty-eight." Apparently, those who knew Cassady were mystified for a while at the meaning of this, that these should be the last words from the infamous motormouth's lips. The solution to the mystery? Someone had dared Cassady to count the railroad ties between two cities (don't recall which) and, completely drugged out, Cassady set out to do so. He seemed to have gotten to 64,928 before succumbing to hypothermia. Hopefully, I haven't butchered the details to badly here. I haven't revisited much of Kesey's stuff since going through a serious phase several years ago. Finally, a quick Brautigan hit. Couldn't find my favorite of his poems on the web, "It's Raining In Love" (and I don't have the book handy) but I did find another that I like. Hope others will, too: I Feel Horrible. She Doesn't I feel horrible. She doesn't love me and I wander around the house like a sewing machine that's just finished sewing a turd to a garbage can lid. Okay, so those weren't so quick. Get me started on these guys and my mouth (or keyboard) can quickly turn into Cassady's.
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ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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09-17-01, 10:33 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Get Together" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-01 AT 10:35 PM (EST)*SIGH!!!* "America" by S&G and "Get Together" are two of my favorite songs - they just totally relax me, and I should break out my CDs so I can hear them right now while I'm trying to chill out. Another song I love, also from the 60's, that has nothing to do with the theme going on here, per se, but it's another one that completely relaxes me, no matter what mood I'm in... "San Francisco" by Scott McKenzie If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair. If you're going to San Francisco, you're gonna meet some gentle people there. All those who come to San Francisco, summertime will be a love-in there. In the streets of San Francisco, gentle people with flowers in their hair. All across the nation, such a strange vibration, people in motion, there's a whole generation, with a new explanation, people in motion, people in motion. All those who come to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair. If you come to San Francisco, summertime will be a love-in there. Basically, it's a great hippie song, and I guess I can tie it in here by saying "Peace!" ****************************************
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 05:14 AM (EST)
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30. "RE: Songwriter credit" |
Also performed (by McKenzie) at the Monterey Pop Festival (June 16-18, '67), plus they played it on the loudspeakers out in the Fairgrounds. (Not coincidentally, Mamas and Papas were major organizers of the festival.) LOL, when it ended everyone had been seduced by that song and was saying, We're taking the party to San Francisco, let's go!Because I was 15 and my parents were under the somewhat inaccurate impression I had attended the Festival as part of a summer-camplike chaperoned excursion, I had to go home... There WERE chaperones, but they had overbooked the lodgings and sent me and other volunteers to stay in cabins on the beach, and that was the last I saw of the "tour" until I caught the bus home.
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ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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09-18-01, 06:24 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: Songwriter credit" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-01 AT 06:41 AM (EST)OFG, LOVE the stories about your hubby being around when alot of this began!! Montery Pop Festival is one of the most amazing rock documentaries I've ever seen (sorry, but considering I was five, and living in Atlantic City, all I have to go on is the video, LOL!!!) Favorite parts: The very beginning, when "San Francisco" is playing and we see the hippy snuggling and kissing his baby. The first time I saw that, combined with that song playing, I just burst into tears! Janis doing "Ball and Chain" - my FAVORITE Janis song, plus the most incredible performance by her I've EVER seen! At one point during the song, the camera pans down to the audience, and speaking of the Mamas & Papas, they show Cass Elliot watching Janis, her mouth hanging open, and this look on her face like she's witnessing a miracle. (Sure, okay, it was probably the acid , but it was still a very cool moment to see one performer looking at another like that!) My own trivia, which I'm sure you all know, but because the last part of this happened in my neighborhood, I love this story... All teasing of "Peter Torque" aside, I DO love the Monkees - I've been a fan since I was three, when I used to snuggle up with my sister to watch the show every Monday night. Probably the longest I've ever been a fan of a band (and you thought it was Def Leppard! Not so - they come in at #3 for length of fan worship history! Monkees fan since 1966, Beatles fan since 1976, Def Lep since 1983. Although, Beatles are my favorite, then Def Lep, then the Monkees! Feel better now that you know?) On a Monkees documentary from a couple years ago, Micky Dolenz is telling about how they "had heard about this amazing young guitar player who played guitar with his teeth." So they're at the Montery Pop Festival (not performing, just attending), when Hendrix hits the stage and Micky Dolenz goes "HEY!!! It's the guy who plays guitar with his teeth!" Well, the rest is history, as the Monkees get Hendrix to open for them on their upcoming tour (I know I know...Hendrix opening FOR the Monkees....), which he did. Then Mike Nesmith takes over the story about how Hendrix, every night when he'd open during the tour, would step out on stage and encounter "The Beast with 10,000 Waving Pink Arms" - the audience screaming "DAVY!!!" So Hendrix would try to play and do his psychadelic stuff, and the girls would just scream louder "DAAAAVYY!!!" So, (we finally get to my neighborhood!) at Forest Hills Stadium in good old Forest Hills, Queens, Hendrix gets so fed up with the Davy Jones screaming teenies that he unplugs his guitar, HURLS it in to the audience by the neck, and stomps off the stage! Quits the tour right here in Forest Hills, and the rest, as they say, is history! Edit to say: I thought of "Eve of Destruction" too, but under the circumstances, it just really gives me the creepies right now! Plus, I borrowed Sami's flag since mine keeps popping in and out for some reason! ****************************************
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 12:57 PM (EST)
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37. "Advertising for Monterey Pop" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-01 AT 12:59 PM (EST)The liner notes for the Monterey Pop 4-CD set say that John Phillips actually wrote the song "San Francisco" as a plug for the festival, not for the hippie lifestyle in general. Since the Mamas and Papas were in one of their dissolved states at the time, he gave it to his friend Scott McKenzie to record. And one more John Phillips note: the classic Grateful Dead song "Me and My Uncle" was a Phillips composition from when he was living in NYC (pre-Mamas and Papas), recorded by Judy Collins. No one knows for sure how the Dead picked it up. P.S. I looked up Dino Valenti on the Web. One article I found said that Valenti went to NYC sometime in 1960 and returned to SF in 1963. So he was probably playing the coffeehouse scene in SF in 1960 right up until the time he left. Edited to add: Itzy, great story of Hendrix and the Monkees. OFG, I am incredibly jealous that you were actually at Monterey Pop.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 05:58 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Advertising for Monterey Pop" |
Promise, this is my last story of the 60's on this thresd... >>OFG, I am incredibly jealous that you were actually at Monterey Pop. Yes, I was incredibly lucky to go and it's kind of fun how it came about. My mom was very sheltering! She asked me if I wanted to go to summer camp, because my sister was going and she wanted to be fair. So I said, well there's a "music camp" going on and look, here's a packaged tour offer. Charter bus from LA and back, 2 nights lodging, reserved seats for all 5 concerts (and it was the performance by my Mom's musical hero, Ravi Shankar, that won her approval), fully chaperoned (ahem, so they said)--the whole package for $67 plus tax. I repeat, $67!!! And for the money (sold separate for $5-10 per concert), I got to see, emceed by Tommy Smothers: Friday Evening, June 16 The Association/ Lou Rawls/ Johnny Rivers/ Eric Burdon & The Animals Saturday Afternoon, June 17 Canned Heat/ Big Brother & The Holding Company/ Country Joe & The Fish/ Al Kooper/ The Butterfield Blues Band/ Quicksilver Messenger Service /The Steve Miller Band/ The Electric Flag Saturday Evening, June 17 Moby Grape/ Hugh Masekela/ The Byrds/ The Butterfield Blues Band/ Laura Nyro/ Jefferson Airplane/ Booker T & The MGs/ Otis Redding Sunday Afternoon, June 18 Ravi Shankar Sunday Evening, June 18 The Blues Project/ Big Brother & The Holding Company/ Simon and Garfunkel/ Buffalo Springfield (Neil Young)/ The Who/ The Grateful Dead/ The Jimi Hendrix Experience/ Scott McKenzie/ The Mamas & The Papas I cannot even imagine nowadays that that much musical talent could perform back to back. I don't think Woodstock or even Live Aid can compare... Plus, this was a real concert experience with reserved seats and everything, so the focus was really on hearing the performances. And yes, Itz, I got to see Janis Joplin do Ball and Chain twice--and she blew everybody to the moon! That song was indeed what eveyone raved about at the time. Maybe these extreme times will motivate some musicians to get together and do something big in the way of a benefit. I would like to see that happen.
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09-18-01, 08:01 PM (EST)
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50. "No Neil" |
Neil Young didn't appear with the Springfield at Monterey Pop; he had briefly quit the group. Filling in for him -- with no rehearsal -- was David Crosby; it was the first time Crosby and Stills ever played together publicly.When the Springfield broke up, Neil ended up with the rights to all of their material, and he still controls those rights to this day (for example, the songs included in the Springfield 4-CD box set issued this year were hand-picked by Neil). All of the artists who played at Monterey were recorded by a professional sound system. Some of the artists (for example, Otis Redding and Jimi Hendrix) chosen to release their performances on their own LPs, but the rest remained in the vaults of Adler's Ode Records. In 1993, Lou Adler and an ill John Phillips licensed the tapes to Rhino Records to issue a compilation of the best material by each group. Despite their historical value, Neil refused to permit the Springfield songs to be included since he didn't appear on them (I believe the only other artist to refuse permission, consistent with their standard practice, were the Dead), and he also omitted them from the new box set. For those people who don't know -- Woodstock was an attempt to recreate Monterey Pop on the East Coast. The organizers even tried to book all of the same artists (or their successors -- for example, since Springfield had broken up, CSNY appeared).
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09-18-01, 05:36 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Songwriter credit" |
Widening the curve so this doesn't go way down the page...Itz, Peter Tork was my favorite Monkee, and George Harrison my Beatle of choice--although now I'd probably pick John Lennon. Love your story! AyaK--I didn't mean to mix up the geography on Valenti. Joe (husband) knew him from the Unicorn in LA, but of course that was just a hop from San Francisco for a performance. It was in the Unicorn period that Joe became really good buddies with Harry Dean Stanton, who was also a Cohen nephews employee. (that friendship ended when Stanton stole Joe's girlfriend away at an LA party given by Hugh Romney AKA Wavey Gravey... all this history is so intertwined) Joe left LA (and the MFA program at Otis) to come up to the SF Art Institute and continue beat painting and film. It was in his initial film period in LA that Frank Zappa's old English teacher approached Joe with a screenplay written by this unknown guy from the Antelope Valley named F.Z. Joe thought it was pretty interesting but it was way too special effects intensive to get made with no budget in the early 60's. Somewhat later, Joe was amazed and pleased that Frank was actually selling records. LOL. When Joe met Frank again at the Fillmore he thought Frank needed a little mind expansion... and the Merry Prankster struck that night... I know, that was bad, to dose someone without consent, but Joe was young and the times were different. Who knows, Frank's music may have benefitted from the experience... As far as I know, Frank never took drugs, so that was probably the sole occasion.
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09-18-01, 06:50 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Songwriter credit" |
LOL Dave, thank you. I am off to do some WORK now, LMAO, but first, a quick disclaimer to law enforcement agencies: "Joe" is the fictional spouse of a fictional persona named Outfrontgirl. Also, LSD was not illegal in the early 60's, LOL."He hung out with the Merry Pranksters at their inception. I don't know if he made it into any of the books. I need to get copies and read them and see if I can get him to cop to anything. This fictional Joe "Survived" the 60's by staying Under-the-Radar. He was never interested in fame. (I mentioned Harry Dean, by the way, not as a movie star, but because of your interest in crime fiction. In case you didn't catch the ref, he was working for the nephews who inherited what was left of Mickey Cohen's empire in Los Angeles and who also owned this beat haven called the Unicorn...) "Joe" left the urban scene for Mendocino with about half a dozen other alternative types around 1967, raised a family, became part of a large counter-cultural community up there and a carpenter due to the small demand for film editors... Built a house there for his old friend Billy Kreutzmann... Came back to Marin in the 80's only to find he was too "old" for Lucasfilm to show any interest. Became a video engineer. Now builds massive video installations around the world (and doesn't get paid enough) such as Direct TV and Staples Arena in LA. In other words, he's a techie. He hopes to retire in 2002 and take me to the Big Island of Hawaii where he wants to grow orchids, paint once again, and fish a lot... (At one time he was a Scuba instructor...) I am hoping to write some stories, thus my volunteering for BV to get the old pen in hand... "Joe" refuses to watch Survivor, which is probably why I'm here! And Neal Cassady died in Mexico... Joe's memory is that he was running down the railroad tracks (counting them) until his heart gave out, so I will have to see if I can find out which version is the myth, if that is possible. *Waves at the dove...kindred spirit*
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09-18-01, 07:05 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Songwriter credit" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-01 AT 07:08 PM (EST)Joe's version is probably correct and probably matches the version that Kesey relates in "Demon Box." It looks like "Demon Box" first came out in paperback around 1987, and I seem to remember reading it not long at all after it first came out. I'd have been off the drugs by then, but that's still fourteen years ago. The only parts of the story I remembered for certain were that he was counting tracks, and that his last words were "sixty-four thousand nine hundred and twenty-eight" (only reason I remember the number so vividly is that it was a major part of the story I mentioned; alas, unless I have a copy tucked away somewhere deep in boxes, it's lost, residing on the hard drive of a computer long since discarded). Those, at least, match up purty well with Joe's recollections; I'd be more than willing to bet Joe's got the rest of the story right, too. Side note: as organized as your writing always seems to be, I dunno how much use you'd find in Natalie Goldberg's books in terms of actual compositional inspiration. But... as far as getting a writer off her ass and producing, Nat's put together a helluva lot of useful advice. Most folks I know who've used her stuff swear by "Writing Down the Bones," but I think she really found her voice in "Wild Mind." If you're looking for other ways "to get the old pen in hand," I strongly recommend 'em both. Thanks again for the various stories. I've enjoyed 'em immensely. Edited to add: Since you mentioned getting work done, just thought I'd say to the people who I'm sure are wondering about the volume of my posts today (you know who you are, love ya ), yes, I've gotten a lot done today. Allowing myself to post has been a reward whenever I've hit a milestone.
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09-17-01, 09:58 PM (EST)
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12. "Censorship" |
If it means the end of Eminem or "gangsta rap", I'm all for it. Otherwise, count me out.
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09-17-01, 10:16 PM (EST)
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14. "Well That Would Mean..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-01 AT 10:26 PM (EST)...that a song like 'Eve of Destruction' by Barry McGuire (a peace anthem) would not get played. That song has more than a few lines (and whole verses) that even more prophetic than the 'pseudo-nostradamus' emails that are making the rounds. Censorship is always wrong... Edited to post the lyrics... Eve of Destruction Barry McGuireThe eastern world, It is explodin', Violence flarin', Bullets loadin', You're old enough to kill, But not for votin', You don't believe in war, But what's that gun you're totin', And even the Jordan river has bodies floatin', But you tell me over and over and over again my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. Don't you understand what I'm trying to say? Can't you feel the fears I'm feeling today? If the button is pushed, There's no running away, There'll be no one to save With the world in a grave, Take a look around you, boy, It's bound to scare you, boy, And you tell me over and over and over again my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. Yeah, my blood's so mad, Feels like coagulatin', I'm sittin' here, Just contemplatin', I can't twist the truth, It knows no regulation, Handful of senators don't pass legislation, And marches alone can't bring integration, When human respect is disintegratin', This whole crazy world is just too frustratin', And you tell me over and over and over again my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. Think of all the hate There is in Red China! Then take a look around To Selma, Alabama! Ah, you may leave here, For four days in space, But when your return it's the same old place, The poundin' of the drums, The pride and disgrace, You can bury your dead, But don't leave a trace, Hate your next-door-neighbor, But don't forget to say grace, And tell me over and over and over and over again my friend, You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction. No, no, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction.
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09-17-01, 10:53 PM (EST)
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18. "I Agree..." |
I am certainly no fan of Eminem... ... and he is far from original! The Recipe for Eminem: Start a large portion of the misogyny of Ford Fairlane... Combine with a generous helping of the gangsta affectations of Vanilla Ice... Gently fold in the eerily similar vocal range of Squiggy from 'Laverne and Shirley'... Baste with the drippings of a thousand misguided music critics... and season to bad taste!
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09-17-01, 10:59 PM (EST)
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19. "Perfect!" |
Good work breaking down the recipe. Now I need to study it, to develop an antidote.
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09-18-01, 05:00 AM (EST)
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29. "Read my mind" |
I too thought of "Eve of Destruction" when I read Boomer's post. I went off to have dinner and came back to find the lyrics and a discussion. Wonderful!There were MAJOR protests about this song getting played at the time it became a huge hit. I'm not positive on the dates (and too tired to search) but "The Green Beret" was also a No.1 hit around the same time. For those who weren't around then, one now-forgettable offshoot of the controversy was a lame song by The Spokesmen (never heard of before and never since that I know, and for good reason), which rewrote "Eve of Destruction" into "Dawn of Correction." It got airplay ad nauseum. As to playing songs that advocate destruction, especially hate crimes shall we say, stations can use discretion without getting into formal censorship. To add another song of that era that talked about destruction in ways that were important to hear (but I won't reprint it and add to length)--I recommend Frank Zappa's "Trouble Comin'Every Day" from "Freak Out." (on Watts riots and symptoms of unrest)
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-18-01, 02:21 PM (EST)
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38. "Silly censorship" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-01 AT 02:22 PM (EST)I truly love "Trouble Comin' Every Day", OFG. Censorship gets silly fast. I can't bring myself to waste board space by posting the full list of 162 questionable songs banned by Clear Channel Communications for "questionable lyrics", but here's a link: http://slate.msn.com/code/chatterbox/chatterbox.asp?Show=9/17/2001&idMessage=8314 Not only is "Eve of Destruction" on it, but so is John Lennon's "Imagine" (apparently because of its one-worldism), the Beatles' "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" (huh? Well, I guess because it has a line, "Life goes on") ... and the Youngbloods' "Get Together" and Neil Diamond's "America" (just because). IMO, anyone who listens to a station owned by Clear Channel should find an alternate station fast.
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09-17-01, 10:05 PM (EST)
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13. "Neil Young: Hawks and Doves" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-17-01 AT 10:07 PM (EST)Been thinkin of this song for days now. Thanks for the opportunity to post it! Hawks and Doves
Ain't getting old, ain't getting younger though Just getting used to the lay of the land I ain't tongue-tied, just don't got nothin' to say I'm proud to be livin' in the U.S.A. Ready to go, willin' to stay and pay U.S.A., U.S.A. So my sweet love can dance another free day U.S.A., U.S.A. In history we painted pictures grim The devil knows we might feel that way again The big wind blows, so the tall grass bends But for you don't push too hard my friend. Ready to go, willin' to stay and pay U.S.A., U.S.A. So my sweet wife can dance another free day U.S.A., U.S.A. Got people here down on their knees and prayin' Hawks and doves are circlin' in the rain Got rock and roll, got country music playin' If you hate us, you just don't know what you're sayin'. Ready to go, willin' to stay and pay U.S.A., U.S.A. So my sweet love can dance another free day U.S.A., U.S.A.
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09-17-01, 11:57 PM (EST)
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20. "Great song" |
moonbaby, that's a great patriotic song from Neil. Unfortunately, I've been thinking about another song of his, one with lyrics that stand as a jarring contrast to the hard rock tune of the song. I have been debating posting this, and I'm sorry to tag this onto a thread with so many positive songs, but reading all the stories about doomed people making last phone calls home got to me....Powderfinger (Young) (c) 1979 Look out, Ma, there's a white boat comin' up the river With a big red beacon and a flag and a man on the rail I think you'd better call John Cause it don't look like they're here to deliver the mail And it's less than a mile away I hope they didn't come to stay It's got numbers on the side and a gun And it's makin' big waves Daddy's gone, my brother's out huntin' in the mountains Big John's been drinkin' since the river took Emmy Lou So the powers that be left me here to do the thinkin' And I just turned twenty-two I was wonderin' what to do The closer they got The more those feelin's grew Daddy's rifle in my hand felt reassurin' He told me "Red means run, son, and numbers add up to nothin" But when the first shot hit the dock I saw it comin' Raised my rifle up to my eye Never stopped to wonder why Then I saw black And my face splashed in the sky Shelter me from the powder and the finger Cover me with the thought that pulled the trigger Just think of me as one you never figured Would fade away so young With so much left undone Remember me to my love I know I'll miss her...
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09-18-01, 00:03 AM (EST)
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21. "yes indeed" |
Wow Aya, I know the chords for that one! So important you brought this up-absolutely another side to this that we shouldn't forget about. I have no doubt our armed forces will be called to serve- my prayers are with them. What a terrible task.
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09-18-01, 00:31 AM (EST)
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22. "Jerry Reed" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-01 AT 00:33 AM (EST)"Now Amos Moses was a Cajun, lived by himself in the swamp! Hunted alligator for a livin', just knocked 'em on the head with a stump! Now everybody blamed his ol' man, for makin' him mean as a snake! He'd just tie a rope around Amos, and use him for alligator bait!" You just show me some songwritin' or guitar pickin' in Afghanistan that compares to Jerry Reed and I'll believe that they have a better system than us!
GOD BLESS AMERICA! *edited because it needed more "good ol' boy editing"*
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09-18-01, 12:07 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: yes indeed" |
Isn't it funny how many folks know the chords for at least one Neil Young tune? At one point, I could play maybe twenty songs, and a quarter of 'em were from Harvest ("Heart of Gold," "Old Man," "Alabama," "The Needle and the Damage Done", and "Words").
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09-18-01, 06:06 AM (EST)
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32. "RE: Neil Young: Hawks and Doves" |
Really happy you added Neil Young, Moon! Been a fan since he was with the Springfield, but I missed a lot of his later stuff, and so I don't know this one, nor Aya's. Which albums?
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09-18-01, 00:38 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Songs that Speak for US" |
"Because I got High" by Afro Men....don't really know the lyrics because, well, becasue I got high.
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09-18-01, 00:58 AM (EST)
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26. "Old Standard Rally Song" |
This Land is Your Land Woody GuthrieCHORUS (U.S.): This land is your land, this land is my land From California to the New York island From the Redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters This land was made for you and me CHORUS (CANADA): This land is your land, this land is my land From Bonavista to Vancouver Island From the Arctic Circle to the Great Lake waters This land was made for you and me As I was walking that ribbon of highway I saw above me that endless skyway I saw below me that golden valley This land was made for you and me
I roamed and rambled and followed my footsteps O'er the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts While all around me a voice was saying This land was made for you and me When the sun came shining and I was strolling And the wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling As the fog was lifting a voice was chanting This land was made for you and me As I went walking I saw a sign there On the sign it said "No Trespassing" But on the other side it didn't say nothing That side was made for you and me In the squares of the city in the shadow of the steeple In the relief office I seen my people As they stood there hungry I stood there asking Is this land made for you and me? Nobody living can ever stop me As I go walking that freedom highway Nobody living can make me turn back This land was made for you and me
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09-18-01, 01:12 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Old Standard Rally Song" |
Hey thanks for including the Canadian chorus, Dabo!
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09-18-01, 01:22 AM (EST)
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28. "RE: Old Standard Rally Song" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-18-01 AT 01:23 AM (EST)As I went walking I saw a sign there On the sign it said "No Trespassing" But on the other side it didn't say nothing That side was made for you and me In the squares of the city in the shadow of the steeple In the relief office I seen my people As they stood there hungry I stood there asking Is this land made for you and me? Nobody living can ever stop me As I go walking that freedom highway Nobody living can make me turn back This land was made for you and me Glad you printed all the verses. This is a bitter protest song, not the light patriotic song that the chorus makes it appear to be. One of the big issues of the 30s was agrarian land reform, to take the land away from the rich and give it to the deserving poor (Guthrie's "people" in the verse I bolded). It didn't happen, and the small farmer is rapidly heading toward extinction today. Here's another one from Woody Guthrie, showing his thoughts about the social structure at the end of the Great Depression: Pretty Boy Floyd (Version #2 -- approx. 1940) (Guthrie) If you'll gather 'round me children A story I will tell Of Pretty Boy Floyd an outlaw Oklahoma knew him well. It was in the town of Shawnee It was Saturday afternoon His wife beside him in his wagon As into town they rode. There a deputy sheriff approached him In a manner rather rude Using vulgar words of language And his wife she overheard. Pretty Boy grabbed a log chain And the deputy grabbed a gun And in the fight that followed He laid that deputy down. He took to the trees and timbers And he lived a life of shame Every crime in Oklahoma Was added to his name. Yes, he took to the trees and timbers On that Canadian River's shore And Pretty Boy found a welcome At a many a farmer's door. There's a many a starving farmer The same old story told How this outlaw paid their mortgage And saved their little home. Others tell you 'bout a stranger That come to beg a meal And underneath his napkin Left a thousand dollar bill. It was in Oklahoma City It was on a Christmas Day There come a whole car load of groceries With a letter that did say: You say that I'm an outlaw You say that I'm a thief Here's a Christmas dinner For the families on relief. Now as through this world I ramble I see lots of funny men Some will rob you with a Six gun And some with a fountain pen. But as through your life you travel As through your life you roam You won't never see an outlaw Drive a family from their home. Note that at least Woody Guthrie wouldn't have confused terrorists with outlaws.
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