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"Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?"
Kismet 802 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 09:01 AM (EST)
 
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1. "I disagree Cher." |
I am going to disagree with you Cher. We have maybe 5 new topics a day that don't involve the Shakesvivor thing. Thats all we would have without it and that's really boring! I wasn't here during last off-season, but I have been told this place was a ghost town. All shakes did was give us something to do in the off season. He chose people that have thick skin, and I don't see IE's worry that feelings would be hurt coming to fruition. Everyone is just having fun with this. Those that don't want to contribute and/or play can ignore the whole fiasco, as I know some people are. There are plenty of oppoutunities for non-players to get involved. If nothing else, we can pick the show apart without fear of retribution. I'm sorry that you feel left out, but think of the fun you can have bashing the show if it ever freakin starts. Just my $6.22,
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Typoman 55 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 10:16 AM (EST)
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4. "Have no Fear Cher..BadAs will be Bashing" |
In Shakes Infinite non-wisdom, he left out several strong board members. With this travesty of a mockery of a Shame, we will Bash 'OL Shakes into the ground.I see a part were OL Leif and I can actually be on the the same page and enjoy Flaming Ol Shakes. (you with me LEIF??) Soon the TV- Guide Version of Shakesvivor will appear on this board exposing all the little secrets.. (Preview) The theme music for Shakesvivor is non other than K.C. & the Sunshine Bands' "Get Down Tonight". The Set is made up of old reject sets from 3's company and The Gong Show. Got to Love the Teal Shag Carpet Shakes picked out for the tribal council setting... More to Follow!!!
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Leif Eriksen 1179 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 12:38 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Have no Fear Cher..BadAs will be Bashing" |
>I see a part were OL<
>Leif and I can actually<
>be on the the same<
>page and enjoy Flaming Ol<
>Shakes. (you with me<
>LEIF??)<In a word, NO. And you know why? The Viking has not been included so ol' Leif doesn't really give a crap about the whole thing. In my view, you are all being led on in some kinky game that Bozo is playing. Open your eyes people. And that will be my last word on it, for now.
"lovable asshole-type"
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ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 10:46 AM (EST)
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6. "I'm gonna get all serious here..." |
LAST EDITED ON 05-23-01 AT 11:03 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-23-01 AT 10:58 AM (EST)
Well, I hesitated to say anything at first, but I'm gonna back Cher and IrishEyes up on this one. Also, Aya put up a warning somewhere about being careful in how we take this "game".
Yes, I know - I got picked. But for those who didn't, I'd feel horrible if we made *anyone* on this board feel hurt, left out or unwanted. I'd sooner drop out than have anyone feel that way. If I get an early vote off, I can only look at it as an opportunity to hang back here and try to make those left out feel better, if that's what it comes to. As for those of us that were picked... I love all of you guys involved, but I'd like to really really remind everyone that this is just playtime here. We won't even really be participating that much, Shakes will have this whole show thought out in his head. Every episode, every line. There's not much we can do but sit back, enjoy it, and take it for what it is - an online story he's allowing us to participate in, and I think it's best that way. If all of us try too hard to actually "play" this thing, I *do* believe hurt feelings will result. AyaK so much as backed this up yesterday on Supe's thread. As for me, I've already seen some hurtful things said, and we're not even into the first "episode". I won't point out who said what, who they said it to, or what was said. That just starts a war, which I think we would all like to avoid. But the things that I've already seen (thank goodness, not too many) have already made me think back to IE's post, and also Aya's warning from yesterday. I intended to post this on my own, and when I logged on I saw that Cher had beat me to it. So I'm not the only one who's worried about this. I do like having this storyline going on in order to keep the boards from falling away during the haitus between S2 and S3. But not at the expense of each other, okay guys? It's so important to remember that we *really* don't know each other that well, you know? The person who may behave one way online may be a totally different person in real life, and maybe not so thick skinned. There's a real person with feelings on the other side of that computer screen. Please, be kind to each other, that's all I ask. Think before you post. I want this to be fun, as I'm sure Shakes does. Remember on each and every page - Colleen is watching. Please glance up at her picture and her quote before you hit the "send" button and potentially hurt a friend. Edit to Clarify: And no, I'm not talking about what you say to the people like the "not shakes" character - that was obviously just Shakes having fun with us. I'm talking about what we say to *each other*. Okay, that's all. **************************************
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 11:10 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: I'm gonna get all serious here..." |
Well said and well put Lisa. Thank you for your kind, sweet, nicely phrased post. I for one haven't been feeling "left out" per se, but I have been starting to yawn a bit at the lack of non shakesvivor threads. I see that is changing though and I'm glad. I know that some people have or will get their feelings hurt by this whole thing and I don't want you or any of the other participants to think that I'm upset about not getting picked if I don't respond much to the Shakesvivor threads, I'll read it, enjoy it and wait for it to end, so we can all get back to our happy little family life.
I also want to make sure that those of you picked don't let silence on non-castmembers parts to keep you from enjoying yourselves with this either. Have a good time with it, I'm sure that it's gonna be a blast. Just remember there are other things going on besides the show and keep the rest of us in mind.
I love you all...every one of the people on this board are important to me. It sounds mushy but it's true.
Let's all "Be Nice" and remember that love makes the world go round.
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VampKira 4433 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 11:16 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: I'm gonna get all serious here..." |
Excellent posts everyone! I surely hope I do not offend anyone during this game.. and Lisa, I feel awful that there may have been some potential feeling hurting posts.. I must have missed them, (and am glad) I adore ALL of you..Those in the game, and not in the game.... Hell.. *giggle* There IS NO GAME! *tee hee* just Shakes bein' Shakes. LOL If people DO start to get hurt by this though.. I would be willing to drop out of the game.. Yunz iz my budz!
 w.l.s.f.c.
Du ar min hjälte, Supermänniska
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volmel 362 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 12:09 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
Cher, I can understand what your saying and will admit to feeling a little left out of the loop at first. But I'm fairly new here, so I'm using this as an opportunity to get to know some of the people here before S3 starts. We all know when we post here we have to be somewhat think-skinned, as some of the old-timers can be quite scary.  . But I've discovered on this off topics board several people I had heard about but had never seen post. I'm looking forward to checking in here often and trying to outwit Shakes.
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darbygrl 293 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 01:44 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
You know I too, felt the sting-of-the-'dis from the Rotisso-clown hed. I too was bummed at first. (sniff) But then I read Shannana's (sp) post. So what, if we got left out of the game. We are left to post the crap out of this game and keep the klown aware of the SB public opinion of what comes out of his a** , oops I mean head.
I think it will be mighty entertaining and rather lighthearted to spend the rest of the summer adding more postings to our names and well, Paybacks are .... uh.....
No, I act like I am spurned but I am not! This is such a fun place to be-- lets enjoy. Start drinkin and postin!
Plus it will give newbies a chance to get to know people before 3 starts.dg "women are smarter..." Grateful Dead GO LISA!!!!!!!!!!!
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Minstrel 422 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 02:57 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
Excuse me, but evidently this "show" is accepted by the "higher ups." BTW, who are the higher ups? Who moderates this board?Anyway, I have to agree that from what I have seen between S1 and S2 and now S2 and S3, once the show is over there is a lot of "ghost town" looks to message boards. Hell, some even shut down! Not to mean harm, as I know people have multiple boards, but what is the ELP site doing to "spoil S3?" There isn't much alternative while Survivor is in "filming" unless you go to another TV show's forums and threads. Off Topic is what is left after trying to spoil the damn S3 location! But from what I have seen in attempts at this sort of "survivor" virtual reality playing, is that people are left out and feelings are actually real. Do we emit our real life via this medium? Is that why we take flaming personally? Come on now, admit it! The reason is, we all belong to this board. We feel as if it is a bond, a family, a group of friends. And when we get flamed, left out of the pack, or mistreated, we respond as if in real life. There's no escaping our underlying desire to communicate with others regarding common topics. Survivor happens to be the most widely accepted topic to communicate on in a message board. Once that has been taken from us in any manner, we are left with a void. We turn to other topics however much the are a pile of crap. We are addicted and are feeling withdrawal. Then the opportunity to do something like ShakesSurvivor and 60 people vie for 16 slots. Duh, do the math. Yeah, for a moment I was despondent I was not among the 16, but then I knew I would not be selected. As for spoiling the "show," it is nothing but speculation unless we get "real" leaks from Shakes himself. And now, look what happened even to the warning of Aya. The 16 become targets just like Shakes said. So why not pick the more obvious "contestants?" They can take the insults and flaming the others are likely to do. At least they know they can come at them. But in reality, just how are the 16 interacting? Nadda! This is a story coming from the brain of Shakes himself. Even he said it may not last. Could it be his mind is limited? LOL! (Sorry couldn't resist that one.) And look how long it takes to even get to E1! Only natural. Writing one of these things isn't easy. Yet we demand immediate exposure as if the thing were alread "filmed!" Shakes expects this to be attacked, but remember it is not real! If you find you have problems being attacked, then you shouldn't have "applied." Because the attacking will come from at least three sides -- nonplayers, other players, and Shakes himself. My final words are these? Take it with a grain of salt. And, JUST WHEN IN THE HELL DOES S3 START?????!!!! Uh, our hour is up, that will be $250.00 please. Now where did I put my favorite guitar pick?
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Cherberrie 1285 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 06:44 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
Wow, Minstrel, I'm impressed! Do you do this for a living? If not, you should!Now here's my psychological $.02! I have noticed that all the new reality shows have one common thread -- mean spiritedness. The reason for this is because the shows also have the same rewards -- win tons of money and obtain fame. The show reinforces the message that winning is everything, and that one must play dirty in order to win. You don't see sincere collaboration or cooperation (except in the early game where it is needed to benefit the tribe). That covers the contestants, now on to the viewers. The viewers of reality shows are all voyeuers. We have an innate fascination with watching other people live their lives. I'm certain that if there was a camera in the toilet, we would all watch it. Toss in a couple of colorful and controversial characters, edit the hell out of the footage and voila...you have reality tv (which is really non-reality with all the editing). As far as the bashing is concerned, I agree with Minstrel: If you find you have problems being attacked, then you shouldn't have "applied." Come on now...you all have seen/heard what happened to all the S1 and S2 contestants when the National Enquirer got a hold of them! Those newspapers make it a full time job to ferret out skeletons in closets. So, suck it up and have fun while it lasts!
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Minstrel 422 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 03:57 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
LOL Cher! I agree of course. We as viewers do want to identify with what we see or watch on TV. And money "is the root of all evil." However, seemingly a "necessary evil." (This has nothing to do with happiness IMO).As I see it, people were picking the winner around E1 time mostly for reasons NOT associated with the game. Physical attractiveness for example. So, look at Rich and Tina and tell me they were the most attractive people in the games? Sure, many picks here were "hopes." But as we saw things like more about Rodger, his popularity (and that is the key word), grew. We saw compassion and goodness. Good overcome evil? Yes, it always does. But it transcended the game in order to do it. And we loved it! So, in Shakesvivor, what will be the outcome? Good over evil? If it goes to fruition, there will be plenty to talk about either way as I see it.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 07:03 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-01 AT 09:10 AM (EST)>on TV. And money
>"is the root of all
>evil." However, seemingly a
>"necessary evil." (This has nothing
>to do with happiness IMO). Taking you way more seriously than you probably were trying to be, minstrel, let me ask you about money: Money is simply a tool. It is a tool of an exchange of values. Money is simply a tangible representation of the achievments of man's mind. We use money as a tool to exchange the best of our achievements and values for the products of achievements of others. Is this what you call evil? I'd continue, but it's too early in the morning.... Just call me "Survivin_Francisco_d'Anconia" *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 12:06 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
>>If you find you have problems being attacked, then you shouldn't have "applied."
> So, suck it up and have fun while it lasts! *** Okay, okay...clearly I'm in a small minority here. I know we're gonna bash and be bashed in return. But we're all friends here, and that makes it different than bashing 16 strangers on a TV show. We all like each other and interact with each other on a day to day basis. It's all very well and good to say something that might wind up hitting someone's soft spot and then saying "Oh I was just kidding!" I know we're all "just kidding", but my concern is that this is gonna escalate and that someone is gonna say something that maybe really stings. Yes, joking is okay - that's what we do here every day. But someone's gonna cross the line, that's what I'm worried about. We *have* created a community, and a great one at that. I just want us to be careful about the level of bashing - to not go so far that toes wind up getting really stepped on. Let's not play this "game" with each other's feelings beyond a certain level and then say "Oh, quit being a baby!". Just think first before you say something, that's all I'm asking! **************************************
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BluSavana 694 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 12:29 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
Also, keep in mind that some people got thrown into this without having applied. Nuff said. BluHaHaGod bless the Army! Stop eye-balling me Recruit Lemon! 
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 08:23 PM (EST)
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16. "To Minstrel and all" |
Since we have other old posters registering new names today... I thought I'd "Hollywoodize" my name for occassional media-whore moments... no, I'm not changing for good...OK, it's time to get serious. On to Minstrel's post: >Excuse me, but evidently this "show" is accepted by the "higher
>ups." BTW, who are the higher ups? Who moderates this board? We have been able to work without any moderator other than Webby so far. Basically, we've tried to follow a self-policing model, with the veterans here to provide guidance, not criticism. I would expect that, prior to S3, we may have to add a moderator or two, especially if we run into another hostile "spammer", because Webby just can't be everywhere all the time, but it's actually something we've been trying to avoid. Not having moderators can have some negative consequences as well, when perfectly nice people choose to leave the board because of ill feelings about the actions of others. Since we're not SS.com, we don't want to ban people for actions in chat or in personal communications. We're still searching for a balance on this issue. >Anyway, I have to agree that from what I have seen
>between S1 and S2 and now S2 and S3, once the show is over
>there is a lot of "ghost town" looks to message boards.
> Hell, some even shut down! Not to mean harm, as I know people
>have multiple boards, but what is the ELP site doing
>to "spoil S3?" Ahh, you know I can't tell. I will say that the EBT is not doing what Krautboy suggested -- and I think his proposal is an excellent idea for people with real lives who can't put all their time into trying to spoil the show. >Off Topic is what is left after trying to spoil the damn S3
>location! I think Off-Topic is a place where more of us need to find ourselves more often. Spoilers is where we focus on the show, but this is where we build a community. But, as you point out, in some ways, Shakesvivor is antithetical to a sense of community, because some people are "in" and other are "left out." It hurts to be omitted. The reason the EBT has taken such a bashing -- be honest now -- is that people applied and couldn't get in. They felt rejected and reacted with anger. Survivor game-playing is even worse. The people who get booted pre-merge, especially if they get booted right off the bat, are really hurt. That's why I argued against real voting. The people who didn't get chosen have a greater reason to be upset. But the fact is -- this isn't a real game. The people who were chosen have distinctive personalities (hi, SurvivinDawg and George Tirebiter, even though you didn't apply) and thick skins (notice how many people in here were in flame battles at some point?). Personally, I think that shakes has made some good casting decisions -- I'd much rather see some of the chosen contestants get bashed than you or LIZZLOVER, even though I fought with you early in the season from time to time, and LIZZLOVER was in several battles.
> We turn to other topics however much they are a pile of crap. Is this a description of Shakesvivor? See if I'm going to leak any production secrets to you, Minstrel!
>Shakes expects this to be attacked, but remember it is not
>real! If you find you have problems being attacked,
>then you shouldn't have "applied." Because the attacking will
>come from at least three sides -- nonplayers, other players,
>and Shakes himself. Exactly right. But don't leave out the host!
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darbygrl 293 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 08:48 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: To Minstrel and all" |
Why
>not channel that 'hurt' energy
>into some good-natured 'spoiling' of
>Shakesvivor without needing to spew
>out hate and venom?
>
You know, I need to reel back in here, and say the perhaps I was a little sarcastic and came of more spurned than I really am. I don't think that there was ever an intention for anyone to get hurt. I agree with those that have said that this is all just entertainment and the choices made are intended to entertain. I was not really surprised by some of the personalities picked. Intended for fun. So if I have acted bitchy or whatever, I take back my 'tude. Let me submit my $250 amd say that it is a great place to bond with others on topics that you have in common. The whole reason I found SB is because my friends around me didn't care as much about S1 and S2 as I did. I wanted some "real" opinions and banter. What a payola I found. So let me not abuse the privelege with a snot-it-tude.
I have to admire Shakes for all the work it will take to get this thing going. I know I would never have what it takes to keep all of that straight and produce a whole story line.
WE ARE LUCKY TO have a guy like him that keeps us in LMAO-land. His efforts, however bizarre and entertaining, should be recognized and celebrated. Whether we agree with it all or not.
$.02 from DG
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Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-01, 10:25 PM (EST)
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18. "AyaK's Voice" |
Once again our voice of wisdom and sanity.
Thanks AK for consistently trying to put it all into perspective
for us.I strongly agree that Off-Topic makes us a community. The place where we come together. I was especially glad to see so many posters from other boards join us in the off season. Even before
the hoopla over Shakesville, many posters who had never posted off topic, came and shared their personalities and wit. It has been a real joy to meet these neighbors from the other SB forums.
( and shocker, those serious spoiler types can be very funny) We have something stronger here then many other sites have. I hope no one lets a game (really just a story with familier characters) get in the way of how we all relate. If I have hurt any feelings with my sarcastic remarks, know it was never my intention, I really was just playing. I think the people chosen were picked due to their personalities and individuality. No one should feel badly for not being included.
Those that feel uncomfortable about Shakesville, should just not read it. Start a new thread about something else, we got lots going on here. Heck in a few short months we will have new Survivors to play with. Strangers picked by Mark Burnett, instead of friends picked by Shakes. I am happy to be a part of this community, and to know all of you.
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05-23-01, 11:38 PM (EST)
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19. "In all sincerity" |
The problem is that we're talking out of both sides of our mouths. We say that this is all about community. I agree. We who have been around for at least one, maybe two, seasons, have come to know each other and appreciate each other for our unique contributions. Shakesvivor is already a failure because it is a one-man show (hence the name), with no room for the rest of us to participate. There are no real games, one guy decides them. No real winners, one guy decides that. There's no real voting, one guy decides that too. The people on the cast get to participate to some degree (or have the false illusion of participation), but the rest of us do not. Could we not have been more creative than this? Could we not have created a game where we all partipate? And how did we all sit back and allow this to happen? And good God, it hasn't even begun!
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SherpaDave 8324 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 00:41 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: In all sincerity" |
I will admit to being one of the people who felt a little hurt initially about not being chosen, even though I thought the likelihood of being chosen was small. However...This "game" is only a one-man-show if we let it be. Several people have taken to writing up spoilers, TV Guide summaries, interviews, etc. And Shakes, on Chat, said he would incorporate what people come up with into his summaries. If indeed that is true, what Shakes has dreamed up is pretty wonderful: interactive fiction by a community of people with similar interests. It is in that vein that I intend to approach the whole Shakesvivor thing. If, through my own creativity, I can help to entertain people (whether folks in the cast or not) and influence the larger storyline, I'll have had a pretty damned good time. I'd encourage others to do the same, especially if Shakes stays true to his word and incorporates the creativity thrown at him by the board. Who, for example is David Letterman? Paul Shaeffer? Who are the great spoilers? The roles of The Early Show folks have been taken. The roles of the cast, host, and producer have been taken. Other than that, almost every role associated with Survivor is wide open. Fill a niche. Contribute to the storyline. And if you don't want to contribute to the storyline, by all means, start other off-topic threads and contribute to them. There's room enough on these boards for both the usual posts and this truly bizarre novel many of us have chosen to help write.
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Minstrel 422 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-01, 03:44 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: To Minstrel and all" |
There were many posts I could "reply with quote" to but I picked Ayak's since I was mentioned by name.
>
>
>>Excuse me, but evidently this "show" is accepted by the "higher
>>ups." BTW, who are the higher ups? Who moderates this board?
>
>We have been able to work
>without any moderator other than
>Webby so far. Basically,
>we've tried to follow a
>self-policing model, with the veterans
>here to provide guidance, not
>criticism. I would expect
>that, prior to S3, we
>may have to add a
>moderator or two, especially if
>we run into another hostile
>"spammer", because Webby just can't
>be everywhere all the time,
>but it's actually something we've
>been trying to avoid.
>
>Not having moderators can have some
>negative consequences as well, when
>perfectly nice people choose to
>leave the board because of
>ill feelings about the actions
>of others. Since we're
>not SS.com, we don't want
>to ban people for actions
>in chat or in personal
>communications. We're still searching
>for a balance on this
>issue.
>
Actually, I am amazed and at the same time applaud this fact! With over 2000 members it is a feather in this board's hat to have been able to do this so successfully!
>>Anyway, I have to agree that from what I have seen
>>between S1 and S2 and now S2 and S3, once the show is over
>>there is a lot of "ghost town" looks to message boards.
>> Hell, some even shut down! Not to mean harm, as I know people
>>have multiple boards, but what is the ELP site doing
>>to "spoil S3?"
>
>Ahh, you know I can't tell.
I know you can't, being a private board and all, but can I serve some snacks and get a peek?
> I will say that
>the EBT is not doing
>what Krautboy suggested -- and
>I think his proposal is
>an excellent idea for people
>with real lives who can't
>put all their time into
>trying to spoil the show.
>
> And I agree. Everyone has different levels of available time which is why not only is this notion voluntary, but one that should not create a designated group by which others feel left out or unable to contribute. However, I have seen where multiple threads can be started or the same information (not enhanced) be posted more than once. There is less of that on this board however! Profs to this "community" there!
>>Off Topic is what is left after trying to spoil the damn S3
>>location!
>
>I think Off-Topic is a place
>where more of us need
>to find ourselves more often.
> Spoilers is where we
>focus on the show, but
>this is where we build
>a community. But, as
>you point out, in some
>ways, Shakesvivor is antithetical to
>a sense of community, because
>some people are "in" and
>other are "left out."
>
But you have to admit, it was an attempt to pull the community together. Maybe there were better ways to run it, maybe not.
>It hurts to be omitted.
>The reason the EBT has
>taken such a bashing --
>be honest now -- is
>that people applied and couldn't
>get in. They felt
>rejected and reacted with anger.
>
>
True, very true but there was a feeling of superior versus non-superior and that went much farther into the rejected feelings than not "passing the test." As far as I'm concerned, limiting the volume of members is a right of the board. Call it what you want -- band width, etc., the bottom line is ELP wanted a certain thing for the board. I have no problems with that aspect.
>Survivor game-playing is even worse.
>The people who get booted
>pre-merge, especially if they get
>booted right off the bat,
>are really hurt. That's
>why I argued against real
>voting.
>
And real voting by the "viewers" would be wrong anyway. Ergo, Big Brother failed that way on TV.
>The people who didn't get chosen
>have a greater reason to
>be upset. But the
>fact is -- this isn't
>a real game. The
>people who were chosen have
>distinctive personalities (hi, SurvivinDawg and
>George Tirebiter, even though you
>didn't apply) and thick skins
>(notice how many people in
>here were in flame battles
>at some point?). Personally,
>I think that shakes has
>made some good casting decisions
>-- I'd much rather see
>some of the chosen contestants
>get bashed than you or
>LIZZLOVER, even though I fought
>with you early in the
>season from time to time,
>and LIZZLOVER was in several
>battles.
>
But I know, or think I know, that bashing me as a cast member is not real -- it's only a game. I might have feigned "hurt" or bashed back, or whatever. But it's cool. I can take being in or out of the game. As others have said, we can spoil or whatever we want.
And AyaK, I hold no grudge against you for our past fights (I don't call them that). When topics and spoilers come up, there will be disagreements. I know we both were looking for the same thing, that was to spoil the show and get the picks right. Hopefully, I have some creditability among this community for spoiling the show and picking out the correct answers. I did very well in FOB and Yahoo pickem btw. A great improvement over S1 I might add.
>> We turn to other topics however much they are a pile of crap.
>
>Is this a description of Shakesvivor?
> See if I'm going
>to leak any production secrets
>to you, Minstrel!
>
LOL! No, I was just trying to say without Survivor, we look for anything to discuss and be involved in as a community. But we all have our tastes. And, I did apply for Shakesvivor and, you will note I mentioned I didn't think I had a chance at being selected though I was in the top ten or whatever with "the most posts." (That obviously isn't something I hold as a status symbol however).
>>Shakes expects this to be attacked, but remember it is not
>>real! If you find you have problems being attacked,
>>then you shouldn't have "applied." Because the attacking will
>>come from at least three sides -- nonplayers, other players,
>>and Shakes himself.
>
>Exactly right. But don't leave
>out the host!
And I didn't with the reference of "at least." I look forward to your attacks. Though as host, you might be fired!
So, bring on E1! What is the latest scuttlebutt?
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12. "RE: Did Shakes really did the "right" thing?" |
NO. No, no, no....he did NOT do the right thing. The good lord has a funny way of working sometimes. Evil precedes redemption. Now, the righteous angels on earth can band together to thwart the clowns evil deeds. We will rise.....and we'll send him back to his knife-juggling act and his estranged bearded girlfriend, Rasputina, who's been shaggin' Shakes' little brother Bakes during Shakes awkward lurch at fame. Oh, and just to clarify, we're not offended, we're not sore losers, and we're not jealous. WE ARE THE CHOSEN.
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05-24-01, 05:32 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: The right thing to liven up summer vacation..." |
So many thoughtful posts here. This is a great community.
If you think about it, no one should feel hurt about not being picked, when first of all, the only qualification for the females was that they whimsically answered "yes" to the sleeping with Shakes question. No matter how great and entertaining their app, that was the deciding factor. I for one filled in my app quite late at night just for the hell of it and was in the mood to say, sure, why not (although I qualified it). And I sure wasn't a good choice for being thick-skinned, because I'm not. I'm new here this season and yes, quite sensitive. And as for the other applications Shakes didn't pick--it's no reflection on you when he picked non-applicants. Obviously he had an idea of a range of characters and, as we know, he has a lot of fun bashing stupid, lame characters. Therefore, everyone he picked for the cast has more reason to be insecure.
My god, he probably plans to make a Jerri out of some poor soul here. He's basing it on S1 and S2 and do you really think anyone will be portrayed as very likeable? In a way the cast members get to do less. The only input we had were our apps, and some not even that. We don't get to vote, we're not supposed to leak info (well, we have no info, so that's easy). Yes, the "cast" has been indulging in playing around with our personas on the "unofficial" SSivor threads, because our screen personas are getting co-opted by Shakes and we have to have some defense, some way of expressing that his versions are "NOT-US"!
However, this just provides a good analogy to the way that actual players often end up feeling wrongly portrayed by the editing of these shows. How better to understand that than to watch it happen to ourselves or fellow posters? And even though it could really hurt to get voted out, look at how Not Shakes claims the first bootee will be the only BB with survival skills. Shakes's going to follow the pattern of having his creations vote out some of the best, strongest people. And if he turns you into a weak character, fight back! As for "hurtful" comments from one "cast" member to another, I think there's just been some fun with role-playing and mock-alliances/enmities. Precisely because we all know Survivor is a nasty game that brings out meanness and insecurity in people (and some goodness too), you have to be able to have fun with that aspect to properly mock the thing. There has to be backstabbing and bitchiness for a good script--not for real. As GT said, the fun thing is collaborating on a big fiction. Whatever you think of Shakes, he's a truly funny, gifted writer and he's going to use his talent to take everything he and we learned from the other shows and write a great satire/parody, with everyone else who wants to getting to play the media, over which he has no control. That's the Burnett dynamic--rigid control over supposedly uncontrollable factors meeting up with the world of media and spoilers. Since a good parody brings out the essence of what it mocks, maybe we'll get a little clearer about the gestalt of how Survivor ticks. Finally, we get to make fun of ourselves as spoilers and bashers. I think I need a new screen name too so I can indulge
without getting in trouble from Shakes for breaking my contract... As was said above, everyone's been left out of playing the game itself, and yet everyone who wants to can play with the game.
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larman 47 desperate attention whore postings
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05-26-01, 03:59 PM (EST)
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31. "No sweatin' it, Man..." |
All I can say is:You just can't sweat it. Just like the networks, anyone writing an entertaining story or show needs GOOD MATERIAL to FIT IN with their story line. We don't know the story of the games much yet, but you can bet that his picks go beyond who will sleep with him. Also, we're all part of the game, really. Especially if he looks at our posts and chat to edit the show. Now, if the show would just go on!!-gator
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33. "RE: Time for review and contemplation" |
This was a wonderful idea AK.. I agree completely!
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You'll wake up and live forever."
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