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"Commentary on the Friday Night Fights"
AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings
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08-27-01, 04:00 PM (EST)
 
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"Commentary on the Friday Night Fights" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-27-01 AT 07:01 PM (EST)To all posters in the BV forum, My apologies for the delay in responding -- I took the weekend off from the Internet completely. I was well aware that the time off would not make these problems go away, but my children are very nervous about the upcoming disruption in their lives (the older is starting kindergarten; the younger is "staying behind" in preschool), and I didn't think this was the right weekend to tell them that I needed some private time without them. Plus, they went along on my trip over to Ethan Zohn's house (look on the Spoilers site; he's an S3 contestant).... So what do we have here? A dispute among a group of board members? That's OK, because we never expected everyone to like everyone else -- from the early days of this site, we had disagreements. A flame war? That's not OK, but it's a fact of life. A dispute over the meaning of this board? I'd rather take that topic on, anyway. EVERYONE involved in this board, and in BV, stopped being an "anonymous poster" a long time ago. We know each others' names, family histories, life stories. We've read each others' writing, know each others' tastes ... this board (or, at least, this part of the board) is not anonymous. I started off with the story of my weekend as an example -- how many of you don't have some knowledge of my family life? Or GT's? Or Kismet's? Or VampKira's? Or ItzLisa's? Or Pepe's? Hey, that's the whole POINT of Cornertime, which has become one of the most popular features on the board, up with Supe's Top 10 Lists. I rest my case. Let's be serious: no one should feel free to come in here like a bull in a china shop. THIS APPLIES TO EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS FIGHT. Like it or not, SB is a society. Societies have rules and norms. Anyone who insists on violating those rules and norms will be ostracized by the society. It's not OK to offend and then say in the same post, "I didn't mean to be offensive, but it's your fault if you were offended." If you want to be part of a society where you can freely flame and give offense, there are plenty of other such places on the Web. I will not sit by idly and let SB become one. My comment about never having read this thread was accurate -- to be honest, I have skipped many of the threads in this forum, simply because I know what type of stuff (such as porn and porn jokes) offends me, and I avoid it when possible. As far as Pepe's man/cat picture ... I thought it was funny. GT, I don't know your history with Jizzy, but I thought your line about him was "pushing the envelope" if there WAS any history, and I thought your Michael Jackson "parody" with VampKira was over the edge. I thought Vamps was very diplomatic in her response, and she has told me privately that she wasn't offended by your post, but I can truthfully say that I would have found your post offensive were I Vamps. As for the rest of the battle -- I don't really want to single anyone out, but there are two points I must make: (1) If you really think something is offensive, let Webby or me or Kira know. Rio, I don't know the history between GT and Jizzy, and I can picture contexts in which her comments would cross the border from teasing to offensive. (2) GT, I know you have a sardonic wit, and I value your friendship and your feelings, but PLEASE take into account the feelings of others. I DO NOT WANT THIS BOARD EVER TO BECOME A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE THINK THEY NEED TO BE ANONYMOUS -- WHICH IS THE WAY SURVIVORSUCKS USED TO BE. BV is a big part of the problem -- not because there are winners and losers, but because it HAS turned us into (for BV purposes) anonymous screen names ... and yet it hasn't. I think we've all understood the risks, because our BV characters behave like us (with our own foibles to some extent), and yet they aren't like ANY ONE of us. The problems come in when we take that anonymity and try to extend it into these BV-related threads ... because none of us are truly anonymous from each other. In fact, if we WANTED to be anonymous, we wouldn't be here --- we'd be on SurvivorSucks EZboard with its 1200 new posts every day or on some other site where we didn't have so much drawing us together. I know some of you would like me to reprimand one poster or another. I don't want to do that; I'm not the judge. You all are the judges. You set the standards for this community. Right now, the standard is that we should all aspire to be friendly, if not necessarily friends. We have already had a situation where a veteran poster came into chat and created panic and animosity; we ended up having to ban that person, and he will not be reinstated until he owns up to his actions. I don't want to see a repetition here in Off-Topic (and don't miss my point here -- we ALL know that BV is an extension of OT, despite being in a separate forum). But I will take whatever action is needed to preserve the society of SB if it comes to that. I seriously considered the advice given to me (by three people) to call BV off now, considering the bad will that's already been generated. Instead, we (dangerkitty, flying squirrel, and I) have agreed to wrap it up this week, prior to Labor Day. I will, however, lock any more "where-were-they" or "where-are-they-now" threads, involving "exposes" of the pre- or post-BV careers of the BV participants. I know that everyone isn't going to like each other. If you can respect each other within a social environment, that will be good enough. TO ALL THE REST OF YOU: My apologies for this massive post. If you believe that I have misstated the standards that board members expect of each other, please let me know. I don't promise that I'll agree, but at least I'll respond civilly. S3 spoiling/bashing started last week, BV is ending this week. "The king is dead, long live the king!" May you all find the time to do things that add value to your lives, and may the things that don't add value become distant memories. Peace and love,
AyaK P.S. Yeah, I know "peace and love" is from the '60s and '70s. But then again, so are most of us, and so is BV! Let's remember our ideals, not the ephemeral things that separate us. Edited to add that I have inadvertently contributed to the problem here. This won't make things better (and may make them worse), but here was the origin of the "a bull in a china shop", in this line that I originally wrote:
Some people were playing games in this forum, and then suddenly Riordan and GT came into the thread like bulls in a china shop, busting up the entire forum.
To the extent this comment oversimplifies what happened on Friday, I apologize to everyone, but I did not mean to include anyone else in this comment. I also did not want to get into a line-by-line dissection of anyone's post (including the deservedly-infamous rant about "those kids watching TV unsupervised while you're preoccupied with your imaginary life"); that's how shakes flames people, but I don't want to flame anyone. I would prefer to limit my comments (for now) to a final request for everyone to behave as members of the SB community should. EBug, I understand your comment below -- believe me, "play fair and be nice" DOES apply to everyone, but I also believe in forgiveness and fresh starts.
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ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings
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08-28-01, 01:51 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Commentary on the Friday Night Fights" |
I can't add much more here than to echo what Kitty said. Thank you, Aya, for once again taking the time to step in when we needed it.I only have a small bit to say on Blowsvivor, and then I'll keep quiet. When it first started, I joined in (and continued to do so, right up to the end), but at it's very beginnings, I was worried about feelings getting hurt, and I wanted us all to be careful about the things we said before posting, even though it was only a parody. I was told to "ease up, it's only joking and in fun, everyone knows we're just kidding." But somehow or another, feelings got hurt, really hurt. Buggy, I know you just got done saying "This has nothing to do with Blowsvivor", and maybe deep down it doesn't. But Aya pointed out all the bad will that's been generated since Blowsvivor started, and I'm more inclined to lean in that direction - I can't pinpoint any other time than at the start and duration of Blowsvivor when we all started tearing each other up. I'm hardly in chat, and I don't know what's said back and forth in private emails, and posts for the most part have been fine. This is the one thing that's tangible (to me, anyway) where the trouble seems to have started, no matter how fun-loving our intentions. Blowsvivor was great on some levels - in all the hard work IceCat put into the site, and in all the wonderful episode summaries written by everyone, but it seems the longer it went on, the uglier we all seemed to get with each other. I know no one intended for that to happen, but it did. Yes, we should all have been able to see the humor in it, but as said before, there's a person on the other side of that screen, and you just don't know when you're going to push someone's buttons in the realm of kidding around. Think for a second about the two things we did this past summer to keep busy till S3 starts. First we had Blowsvivor, which no matter how well intended it was and how much hard work was put in by all, wound up hurting feelings and fraying nerves. It just got worse instead of better, no matter how much we tried to lighten up and have fun. Our other OT activity was the Summer Story Competition, which was a huge success and left everyone with great feelings and nothing but good stuff to say about each other. To that end, could I suggest something? Could we just agree that Blowsvivor didn't turn out the way we planned (through no fault of any one person, but all of us as a whole, somehow), and just not do it anymore? There were great moments of fun with it, please don't totally misinterpret what I'm saying, but it just became evident that the bad rapidly outweighed the good. Instead, why not do more things like the Writing Competition (or things like that) in order to keep the peace without going crazy from boredom during the offseason. I love you guys, ALL of you, and hate to see us rip each other to pieces. ****************************************
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings
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08-28-01, 02:25 PM (EST)
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ItzLisa, I couldn't agree more about BV. Thanks for expressing what so many of us feel about this. On the one hand, I think many of the episodes have been great and the writers from this board have shown marvelous talent. On the other hand, I wish I'd gone to hide in the corner while "Supesvivor" took place. By bringing in all of the real elements -- multiple writers with competing storylines, cameos, ties to real board personalities and events -- and by my encouragement of active posting in this forum, I created the environment for all this to happen (and please don't post any sympathy or support for my position in all this -- I knew perfectly well that conflicts could erupt; I just thought they would be controllable). A BV II? Not in this lifetime, if I have anything to say about it. But I'm not looking at these last episodes of BV as throwaways, either. I think dangerkitty will produce a marvelous episode, and all I can say about the final episode (which is more squirrel's than mine so far) is that it tries to capture the whole BV experience. Does it succeed? Judge for yourself this weekend. Then drink a toast to the memory of BlowsVivor and put it behind us.
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08-27-01, 06:21 PM (EST)
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4. "A Pause for Thought..." |
I would first like apologize for being the person who started the threads which became the venue for this business and which are now locked. It is embarassing to have my name on two locked threads and it makes me feel uncomfortable. This is not to say that AyaK is entirely 100% right in locking the threads. His actions are exactly what is required at this point.I will continue to dutifully update the BV website if for no other reason than for the sake of posterity. Now that spoiling has begun in earnest for Survivor III, I will be focusing my posting activities on the Spoiler Board. My activities on the other boards will drop to their normal Survivor season levels. Like I said, I'm just embarassed that the threads that I created lead to this. It's going to take some time for me to feel comfortable posting anywhere but Spoilers for a while. This not meant as an affront to anyone. It is simply an explanation in advance for a change in behaviour. That which we chose do always affects others... sometimes with little resemblance to our initial intent. IceCat 
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Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings
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08-27-01, 08:09 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Commentary on the Friday Night Fights" |
Thanks AK ( didn't see your edit at first)>>but I also believe in forgiveness and fresh starts. I would like believe in this too, I feel like I have tried. But some don't admit they have ever done anything wrong. 
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08-27-01, 09:18 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Commentary on the Friday Night Fights" |
When I started here, I made friends very rapidly and I found an acceptance that I had not expected. In a sense, this place became like an online family to me. I know from conversations that many of you feel the same way. This is more than an "internet bulletin board" to me. That is not losing touch with reality, it is how I feel.I never got involved in a single conflict before S2 ended. I was privy to various problems, but I never felt comfortable getting involved. By the time Survivor was over I felt very comfortable here. That comfort led me to taking a more proactive approach in helping people resolve their problems and conflicts. That is my nature. The more comfortable I got the more of my 'real' self I let people see. I think most of the people I know here are that way. I have helped people resolve many things over the summer. 99% of those most of you don't know about because they never blew up and hit the boards. In one particular situation, a friend was attacked and in trying to help her I became the center of a firestorm. In some circles, I have been blamed for every conflict that has happened over the summer. I tried as best I could to keep this behind the scenes and not let it hit the boards. Yes, some has bled over and I am sure some of you have heard nasty rumors about me. I have spent much of this summer clearing up misunderstandings and false stories. A good friend of mine was even told that I was at the "center of the Blu incident." If there are those among you who choose to believe such rumors, then all I can say is that you have never given me a chance to disprove those lies. All of you know that I am not a quiet person. I have kept this problem from public view because I have been afraid of this very reaction. But now that it has occurred, I feel like everyone should know the source of my anger. My intention has never been to cause trouble. In a sense the source of many of my problems has been to defend against charges that I am a troublemaker. I think that is called irony. I will admit that I lost my temper Friday night. I could not however, stand by and let what I saw as a personal attack go unanswered. I really am sorry if what I said caused this to escalate. If I truly felt that my continued involvement in this matter would cause additional harm, then I would walk away and never look back. I respect all of you too much to do anything that I thought would bring more problems here. In all things, I have done what I felt was best for this board. If you believe anything else, then you don't know me very well. I believe that it has been my involvement that has kept several posters from leaving entirely. After working so hard to keep people here this summer, I would never do anything to drive them away again. Kismet
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Jizzy 2053 desperate attention whore postings
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08-27-01, 10:23 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Commentary on the Friday Night Fights" |
<Hugs Kis, while fending off a vampslap, becasue I know how much she hates those hugs!>hehe  We love ya, Kis....hang in there and you will see this all blow over. You have contributed way too much to this board this summer to let it get you down. I know I am WEIRD from time to time, but I consider this place "my reality" an awful lot at times. I have made a lot of GOOD FRIENDS on this board, and consider some of them better than my REAL LIFE friends.  Thanks to you and your Cornertime thresds, we have all been able to get to know each other a lot more. I mean...come on! How would I have ever known: Itz fences and put light bulbs in her cat's eyes for that pic?
Svist isn't actually going to pursue a writing career?
Pepe would mistake a skunk for a cat as a youngster?
AK was such a brilliant mind? (wait, I already new that)
Mon Cherie was a cherry pop TART?
sleeeve has a special place in his heart for Pendragon?
DK was into Kenpo?
VampKira(uhhhh)is a Metal music queen, yet knows every word to Rapper's Delight?
Jizzy was the reason behind your Eye in the Sky flame war guide?<grrrr>hehe Basically, it comes down to this, Kis. I love you, alot of people love you...and that, my friend...is REALITY!! 
It's easier to believe in this sweet madness...this glorious sadness that brings me to my knees
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George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings
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08-27-01, 10:05 PM (EST)
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11. "None so blind. . ." |
Just a couple comments, as you singled me out (and I hope you appreciate that I am resisting the urge to refute EVERYTHING spewed in such venom):First of all, Jizzy widely distributed his photo, and I saw nothing wrong with pointing out the similarity--short, dark hair, mustache, goatee--or the fact that he stated on the board that he had a cat that fit in the palm of his hand (the one pictured obviously couldn't). I certainly didn't see HIM here complaining, only outside parties. I have heard NUMEROUS people comment on the hours they spend in chat and the fact that their kids have been unsupervised for long periods of time; although I did not direct my remark at anyone in particular, it obviously struck too close to home for some. Likewise, I never dreamt it would be such an insult to suggest people could step out their door (and it's easy to incorporate the kids into this!) or open a book. . . It has been obvious for quite some time that there are people who have harbored ill will over the fact that they were "excluded" from BV--and although I believed they were weeks past the point of being totally disinterested, you knew better, yet made a point of standing back to watch how far they would take it; obviously, it wasn't going to get better on its own and should've been diffused before it reached this point, distasteful as the task was. Obviously, rather than tiring of their game as you'd hoped, "getting away with it" only fueled more brazen attacks; your silence equalled tacit approval. I suppose as the most forthright, I became the easiest target, but you know I was far from the only one. (And Kismet--if you didn't want to be written out of ICB's "Evil Overlord" role, you shouldn't have told me you were sick of it and ready to be written out, and you should not have said afterwards that what I had done was fine! You can't say the opposite of what you mean and then get upset when people take you at your word.) It was stated that I had reported sleeeve was known for "having sex with animals." I was certain I had never said such a thing, and despite a long effort to find such a comment, I could not find it--the closest I came was saying that he and Ice had worked in the same industry and may have known each other before BV, as it is a notoriously close-knit community. To me, this accusation is a fine example of the lengths some are willing to go to vilify others and promote a perception of themselves as ill-used. Again, this didn't come from sleeeve--who fed his "exposé" to be leaked, and who reacted good-naturedly to the animal sex comment. Ice did nothing wrong in starting these silly thresds--they were done in the spirit of Survivor, and a general call went out to the contestants to get involved--and if any had complained about what their character was "subjected" to, it would've been quickly dispensed with. The fact that the "debate" (e.g. finger-pointing) lingers on is unfortunate. For myself, it is painfully obvious that some are either incapable of grasping the whole picture--or are simply unwilling to--and it is pointless to beat this horse further. 
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Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings
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08-28-01, 00:20 AM (EST)
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I cannot believe that you think this is in any way about Blowsvivor. That you choose to believe that people are jealous of others involvment in a group of made-up stories that were meant to be entertaining. Trust me, No one is jealous.There is a huge difference between being outspoken and being cruel. I feel you have crossed this line many many times. I will only speak for myself here ( although I am pretty sure there are others who will feel the same) Just because I chose to ignore snide and nasty comments in your posts, that doesn't mean I was too stupid to get it. You think you have the right to insult others? My silence never gave you permission. I am shocked and amazed that you have never been apolagetic to those you were rude to. Never even taken responsibility for mean things said. We all excused you for a long time. I no longer believe that you were just joking, kidding. I don't believe I have ever heard you say that your statements were misunderstood. ***************************************************************
I want to publically state that there are a lot of people here that have been hurt by things that GT has said. People who have been insulted by her. I wish they would step forward ( perhaps they will do so privately to the powers that be) The thing is that they have felt intimadated by her, and unwilling to get into conflict. They were no less hurt by how they were treated
by her. GT uses intimadatation, and frankly people have told me they were afraid to get into a confrontation with her. Those who won't speak out publically that they have been hurt, have their own reasons for staying quiet. Rio is one of the kindest, nicest, most resonable people around. She got fed up and spoke her mind. The only time I have ever known that she spoke out against a member of this board. How was she treated? I feel she had the right to speak her mind. I do not think she is the type of person to flame someone for the heck of it. Kismet tried to deal with GT on a personal level, she tried to resolve things outside of the public eye. This didn't work for her, and I am sorry to say it seemed to make things worse. GT sent me email saying terrible things about Kismet. I say that silence doesn't keep you from being a target of nasty remarks, we've seen that.
And to those of you not directly involved, Lies hurt us all. LIES hurt us all. ***************************************************************** GT, you seem to think that you can say anything to anyone, I will no longer accept or excuse your rudness. In close I will quote you >>>For myself, it is painfully obvious that some are either incapable of grasping the whole picture--or are simply unwilling to--and it is pointless to beat this horse further. I couldn't agree more
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AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings
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08-28-01, 01:00 AM (EST)
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14. "Perhaps you're right" |
GT, perhaps you're right on all counts. It's entirely possible that the mistake that I made was in hoping that the problems would go away on their own. And perhaps my post is venemous; I don't deny that I have felt enough anger from time to time about this "soap opera" for it to creep over into my post.But, GT, you are unfortunately correct that my post is aimed more at you than anyone else. If it wasn't you involved in this controversy, I would have taken more action more quickly regarding all of the complaints (from a wide range of people, not just two or three) that I received. I let them go to a large extent (much greater than I have ever done for anyone else, which might be why the complaints kept coming) because it was you, a poster whom I have thought was incredibly valuable to this board from its inception. There are a small number of posters against whom I am loathe to take action because I think they contribute a significant part of the character of this board, and you are one of them. I have hoped that your basic common sense would prevail. I do agree with you that people have taken shots at you (and at OFG, who has been drawn into this more than she should have been), but, as I pointed out, you have taken shots at them (and generally first). I understand that people can't be expected to sit back forever and "take it". But I think you've been less sinned against than sinning. The problem, GT, is that the witty, intelligent, sometimes sarcastic poster who was my friend on this board for most of the past year is MIA, at least in my opinion. I am sorry that I have had to take sides in this dispute -- I have tried and tried to remain neutral on the boards and in my e-mails; there is only one other person with whom I have shared my thoughts about this prior to today. Perhaps, as you say, if I had expressed my own views earlier, it might not have come to this. Perhaps I have even been duplicitous. But, unfortunately, all I can do is go forward from right now. GT, I don't own this board, and I'm just one person on it. I dislike being the one who makes the rules. I believe in free speech and the right to express our own opinions, even if they don't agree with the masses. But I don't believe anyone has the right to deliberately give offense, and I think you have used your undeniable intelligence to do just that on a repeated basis. I'm not trying to flame you, GT, but read this comment of yours in the post above: "I have heard NUMEROUS people comment on the hours they spend in chat and the fact that their kids have been unsupervised for long periods of time; although I did not direct my remark at anyone in particular, it obviously struck too close to home for some. Likewise, I never dreamt it would be such an insult to suggest people could step out their door (and it's easy to incorporate the kids into this!) or open a book. . ." All I can say is ... this is BS. You knew exactly what you were saying, and you said it again, here, even more bluntly, "couching" it with "I never dreamt..." so you'd appear to be innocent. "I never dreamt it would be such an insult to suggest people could step out their door (and it's easy to incorporate the kids into this!)..." Oh yes you did, just as you knew exactly how offensive the language in your original post was (implying no one else had a real life but you), even if you tried to soften it at the end with the joke about toilet paper. And the "struck too close to home" language? GT, you can't come in this forum and play victim when you want to be the victimizer. Anyway, it's gone far enough. I'm tired of the "soap opera." GT, the fact that I have taken sides makes you into an outcast, and that isn't what I wanted -- I didn't even do that with SurvivinDawg, and I'm much closer to you than I am to him. In short, I probably blew it. But I need to bring closure to this battle, and I need it now.
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08-28-01, 08:49 PM (EST)
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18. "Time for my two cents..." |
I started this as a private e-mail to someone on this board, but after writing it, I feel it has a message that needs to be shared with all:I was in chat late last night, watching over this board that I have come to call home. As I speak to people about what has become of this game, the majority opinion of the board is that they'd like to pretend that this entire thing never happened... a lot of us are asking ourselves at what point this went wrong, and what we could have all done to stop it. Personally, I think that we should have pulled the plug on it as soon as shakes stopped writing, and although it's been GREAT FUN!!! to watch all of the other writers work on it, it's also resulted in a catastrophe of hurt feelings, all built on good intentions. My opinion has swayed on what would be the right thing to do several times during the last week. Part of me wants BV to be immediately cancelled, but that would only be a superficial solution to the problem, and would obviously cause bad feelings among the final four, the final writers, and the loyal readers by not allowing their game to play to its conclusion. I believe that what has happened is miscommunication to the n'th degree... At heart, this is a community of bashers and spoilers, and we tried to play that out within the context of a story... Our mistake was in allowing the real people behind the screennames to become involved emotionally, physically, and in reality... and this was, perhaps, and inevitable mistake, because how long can a person watch while their name is dragged through the mud, before they take offense... even if it's with the best of intentions... just ask Debb Eaton who (all bashing aside for a minute) is in a committed and happy relationship with a man who she loves, but who happened to have been, at one time, her step-son. In the last week, I have answered flames with sarcasm and humor, hoping to re-direct our community back to what it used to be... Sadly, the situation has elevated, and I hope that it hasn't yet reached an irreparable state. In a week, BV will be over. Already, there is Survivor spoiling to be done, as the cast list has been announced, and people are en-route to check for weight loss, and to try to get people to slip-up and spill some secrets. There is a post on the bashers board, inviting people back to the art of bashing for the new season. Off Topic continues to flourish, as our community is built on love, praise, sharing, and friendship. For those that can't wait for "the main event", Big Brother offers its own set of bashing, and Love Cruise, set to premeire in a little over a week promises to bring spoiling back to our community. Finally, our bar is still open 24 hours, and is still a safe-haven for all those that choose to enter with a smile on their face. My genuine hope is that when BV reaches it's conclusion, we will all go back to the other parts of the board, and re-discover what it was that made us a community... as the alums of Survivor have said, "Let what was said in the game, stay in the game!!!" I still view all of you as my friends, and to see friends fight is a horrible thing. Please... I beg everyone on both sides of this issue... no matter how right you feel, or who you believe is on "your side"... please take one step back from all of this, and look at what we've become. Let's not place blame... if you can still go back in the archives, and read about our community in the old threads without feeling some guilt about what has happened, then you are a far better person than I (or much less realistic). Truly, I feel that, at some level, we are all to blame. Instead of focusing on blame, let's focus on healing. I know that some feelings have been hurt. I know that some mean things have been said. I don't expect everyone to pick up where they left off, and pretend that it didn't happen. I can only hope that each person can start to take steps in the right direction. If something amuses you, say so. If you think that someone is talented, say so. If you can't think of anything nice to say, don't say anything at all... as cliche as it may seem, it's what's best for all of us, right now. Soon, I hope to see all of us allied in our outrageous quest to outspoil and outspoof a new season of Survivor. Until then, I'll be in the bar, waiting for all of us to come back to our senses. When you do come back, I promise that I won't be the one to judge you. I won't even be the one to bring up what happened. But I will get you a drink, laugh at your jokes, and maybe tell one myself. And hope in every recess of my heart that each of you will offer the same promise. It's the biblical story of the prodigal son, and it's asking a lot of everyone in forgiveness... but "if we keep demanding an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, we will all end up blind and toothless." And where's the fun in that?
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08-28-01, 09:55 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Time for my two cents..." |
LAST EDITED ON 08-28-01 AT 10:00 PM (EST)*hugs the triple eee man* You are a wonderful man, sleeeve.. and that was an awesome post. I am proud to call you friend. *DEEP BREATH* I had considered not responding to this thresd once our wonderful AK posted. Between his original post to his last, he has said it all, and said it better than anyone else could. However I do feel I have a few more things to add to all of this, and then I hope.. as many have said, that we can accept all of this for what it was, and learn from it, and perhaps use it to make us a stronger community in the future. I feel at a loss somewhat.. For AK has put everything SO well, and I would like you all to know I echo his feelings on this 100%.. On all that he said. It makes me sick to my stomach when I see that we have a rift in our little bubble here.. My first thought is "How can I fix it so no one will get hurt." I know that is not always possible, but I really do try with all my might to find some common ground when there is a crisis, but I have to concede at times that.. alas.. there may be no common ground to be had.  I have had.. and hope to continue to have... wonderful, and close relationships with many of the posters here, and reality or not.. I love some of them as dearly as my own family.. So naturally.. it hurts me when my family is torn apart. I know alot of you put me up there with Webby and AK, as far as a person you can come to, and trust.. and I am TRULY HONORED by that.. and I hope you all know that you CAN come to me.. If they are not available.. and I will do my best to help you resolve whatever your concerns may be. I love you people, damnit!! *vampslaps the entire community of SurvivorBlows* I do have to say one thing though.. I understand why AK has kept a bit of distance between himself and the rest of us on this board.. (AK.. please don't take that the wrong way.. I KNOW you adore us all.. *smiles* and you DO interact and have fun... ) Ok.. I feel like I am about to start not making sense here.. Hee heee... My point is this: That being as close as I am to ALOT of you.. Only makes it harder when I have to say or do something that may make someone I care bout feel bad.. And NO.. I am not refering to recent events in particular.. I just mean that anytime I have to take a stand on something, I hope you all realize.. I have looked at the situation.. fairly.. from both sides, and would NEVER do or say anythihg negative about someone to further my own agenda.. and I do not believe that anyone else here would do that either. Please do not ever feel you can't come to me. I really care about you all, and feel that we have a unique place here... a place worth preserving and protecting. And for AK.. Just to say for the record publicly.. You are an AMAZING man.. with and AMAZINGLY difficult job here as of late. I can say without fear that someone will tell me I am incorrect, that all the people here respect, and love you for your paticence, kindness, and fairness. I promise to always do my best to ease that burden around here if I am capable. Love to you ALL!!!!!!!! -Vampy 
"I can't control you.. You can't control me. I need to feel this... Why's it evil, you and me?"
Du ar min hjälte, Supermänniska 
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LadyT 5567 desperate attention whore postings
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08-28-01, 11:06 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Time for my two cents..." |
I think Vamps only agenda is to make this place a happy and welcoming place and anyone who believes differently needs their head examined.
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"So what are my chances
of honest advances
I'd say low
Better to win
by admitting my sin
than to lose with a halo"
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08-29-01, 01:05 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Time for my two cents..." |
I think I'll quote my buddy Peter Torque from his "Under-currents" story on this one!
"Sometimes a small action you take in life can have
a huge impact on someone else...either with a positive
or a negative effect."I'm not the best one to speak on this because I've been a
bit of a reactionary wolfling on this board at times (specifically to a person who kept posting that my precious Balloon Boy was gay)....and since then, I've continually
reminded myself to be more like Aya and react to annoying posts
in a more moderate way. I guess I've learned to count to 10, take a deep breath, and choose NOT to post a flame when I had the urge.
We're about to get a lot of new members, and I'm prepared for there to be a percentage of people that will annoy me and
I just know I'm about to be tested. I'm not going to lose it
with anyone this season...I just won't let myself. I guess we need to remember that when you lose your temper, people might try to forget it...but they might never be able to. Obviously, things were said that can't (and won't) be taken back,
It's too bad there wasn't some way the situation could
have ended differently where people reacted in some sort of constructive way other than destructively. I too just KNEW there were going to be some hurt feelings as soon as I read about this game...it's the nature of Survivor.
Teehee...come on! The first person who got booted, Rhinoboy, went on a pyrotechnic bombing mission on Shakes immediately.
P.S. Vampy rules!
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08-30-01, 00:13 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Commentary on the Friday Night Fights" |
There's pretty much nothing left that I can possibly add to what has already been said by AyaK and several others... I support their views fully on this and wish everything ended in a different way. It's easy for all of us to take things for granted after a while and think we can get away with anything when we're not flamed for it at first.AyaK, your comments were very powerful and left quite an impression on me. I fully support your feelings and hope everyone here in SB will read and comprehend your statements to the fullest, and take it as a valuable lesson in life learned. My comments about everything here has probably been said over and over, but perhaps I'm stating this in a different perspective. Blowsvivor was great for the most part and I quite enjoyed the four episodes I appeared on the show -- I knew I would never have a problem with the whole idea because I learned a long time ago to never take online stuff too seriously. I realized after about the 4th episode that it was going to become a little problem when I heard that certain people were campaigning a writer on who should or shouldn't be booted on the basis of how significant or insignificant they were in the whole SurvivorBlows community. That was quite an insult to hear and that was the first clue for me that there would be some real problems coming up. Still, I kept to the faith that any problems would get quickly worked out because I believe we have a tremendous community on the whole. However, there is no community in the entire world I.R.L. where there isn't a person or two that causes problems. Hopefully we've all learned our lessons from this and embraced the mostly-good things we've enjoyed with Blowsvivor. Peace be to all, and hurry up S3! 
"Permit me to introduce myself. I am Pepe Le Pew, your lover."
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08-30-01, 05:42 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Commentary on the Friday Night Fights" |
>For me the Blowsvivor stories were
>never the problem. I think everyone knows what I meant, like I'm sure you (buggy) was totally clear on what I meant... my comments about problems weren't about Blowsvivor itself but more about how people's actions in regards to BV helped lead to general problems on here. See what I said in the post above: ...when I heard that certain people were campaigning a writer on who should or shouldn't be booted on the basis of how significant or insignificant they were in the whole SurvivorBlows community. I said this because I felt that this was showing disrespect to people in general and would lead to problems further down the road. It had nothing to do with Blowsvivor itself. I'm glad that things seem to have settled down now and peace has been grasped.
>each writer did their best with their assigned episode. I
>was delighted to see so much talented story telling. I
>am glad Kitty wrote her episode and am looking forward
>to Squirrels.
Likewise, I think it will be a great ending and a cathartic feeling for everyone to see it come to a complete end (as opposed to an abrupt end with 4 people still in the game) and be able to move onto the spoiling of the upcoming SurvivorIII show.
"Permit me to introduce myself. I am Pepe Le Pew, your lover."
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08-31-01, 02:30 PM (EST)
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26. "And now a word from our sponser......" |
Superman walks in the room looking at the camera. He is dressed in a suit and tie. His hair looks plastic and his teeth are so shiny that several small planes in the area have crashed, under he impression that they have permission to land.Superman: Hi folks! I'm a popular member of the Survivorblows messageboard/Erotic chat website. And I've got a question for you. *whispering* Are you like me? Do you sometimes suffer from Irrationational Post Disorder or I.P.D.? It's an embarassing sometimes deadly disorder, that has ended the lives of several members. But there is a solution! It's called The Buddy System! And right now..for a limited time offer....it's free! Check out some satisfied users of The Buddy System.... camera pans to AK AK: Hi! I'm AK. I used to have I.P.D. My posts wound be so venom and hate filled that many viewed me as a monster! That is..until I got the Buddy System. Camera pans to show AK standing next to Webby AK: And now all my posts are rational. And might I add Spell-checked! Webby: Now if we could just work on that God complex of yours. Both: Ha ha ha! AK and Webby both give huge flashy smiles and a big thumbs up. Pan back to Superman Superman: That's right guys! And friends the system can be yours. Let's watch this clip to show you how the system can work for you. Pan to a shot of Superman sitting at keyboard, Vamp staring over his shoulder. Superman(while typing): *mumble* Wahoooo *mumble* TopTen Reasons why *mumble* is worse than a piece of turd *mumble* clinging to my ass sphincter..*mumble* Vamp: Ummm...I don't think that's appropriate Supe. Supe: Wha? Vamp: You might offend someone. Superman: I got away with the Aaliyah thing! Vamp: Yes, but this is different.. now hit delete. Supe: Oh alright.. Pan back to 3 piece suit Supe Superman: See folks. Just a little bit of conscience goes a long way. If you're like me and you stomped Jiminy Cricket flat years ago, you need the Buddy System! We have a 100% success rating. Stagehand whispers to Superman. Superman: Ok, 95% success rating. I alway forget about the Monkeyboy/Tamia incident. But that's still good! The Buddy System! Get yours today! Fade Out The Buddy System is the brainchild of Superman Inc. No thoughts or opinions in the previous post should in anyway reflect the opinions and or actions of Survivorblows. All rights reserved. *Superman goes back to dancing happily and totally forgeting ever having to post to this thread* Do not taunt Happy, Fun Superman. 
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VampKira 4433 desperate attention whore postings
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08-31-01, 05:52 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: And now a word from our sponser......" |
*smiling her best TV smile*The Buddy System!! Works for me!! *smooches Supe* 
"See, it's not about races...just places, faces...Where your blood
comes from is where your space is. I've seen the bright get duller... I'm not gonna spend my life being a color."
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09-02-01, 01:06 AM (EST)
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30. "RE: Leif has a question....." |
LEIF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I LOVE you man!!!!!!! (Batsy hugs and kisses)
"See, it's not about races...just places, faces...Where your blood
comes from is where your space is. I've seen the bright get duller... I'm not gonna spend my life being a color." Du ar min hjälte, Supermänniska
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