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"The Blame Game"
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"The Blame Game"
Jon and Kate's marital problems - where does the blame lie? If you watch the show, obviously you know more about the cause of these issues than they could. Now's your chance to show it. Tell us why J/K are fighting.

Oh, and try to have more reasoning than Jon, Kate, co-ed's, or bodyguards.


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 RE: The Blame Game blacknwhitedog 05-29-09 1
   RE: The Blame Game Dizwiz 05-29-09 2
 RE: The Blame Game Snidget 05-29-09 3
   RE: The Blame Game JessicaRN 05-29-09 4
       RE: The Blame Game Snidget 05-30-09 5
   RE: The Blame Game ARnutz 06-04-09 16
 RE: The Blame Game eire_heart74 05-30-09 6
   RE: The Blame Game JessicaRN 05-30-09 7
 RE: The Blame Game newsomewayne 06-01-09 8
 RE: The Blame Game samboohoo 06-01-09 9
   RE: The Blame Game newsomewayne 06-01-09 10
       RE: The Blame Game kandielady 06-01-09 11
       RE: The Blame Game samboohoo 06-02-09 12
           RE: The Blame Game JessicaRN 06-02-09 13
 RE: The Blame Game Max Headroom 06-02-09 14
 RE: The Blame Game candaplus2 06-04-09 15
 RE: The Blame Game blacknwhitedog 06-23-09 17
   RE: The Blame Game HobbsofMI 06-23-09 18
       RE: The Blame Game Wacko Jacko 06-30-09 19

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1. "RE: The Blame Game"
Jon & Kate always say they did the show in the first place to document the kids stuff- like they would never have time to take photos or home movies them selves with 8 kids to chase around. Then I'm sure they liked the perks and stuff and it just kept snowballing.

I'm not sure you can totally blame anyone. You can tell Kate's personality is very controlling (to say the least) and Jon was a party-er and got married very young. They only dated like 6 months before they got married and had twins at like 23 (him) or something. Also Jon's parents were divorced and it seems like he was close with his Dad who passed away early on. I don't know about Kate's parents- but from her book it seems like both families were involved in their life intitially and then dropped off. Maybe they don't agree with the show?



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2. "RE: The Blame Game"
If I remember correctly, Kate's father is a pastor of some kind. His congregation donated a bunch of stuff to the Gosselins when the babies were born, and she had a fit and rejected the donated cribs because they didn't match.

This could be where that relationship went wrong.


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3. "RE: The Blame Game"
Insufficient sense of humor or perspective to deal with the inevitable situation when the producers decide that the story alone is not enough and the best way to make sure there are plenty of ratings for the new season find a way to get everyone that knows them to start talking to the tabloids and get the photogs to follow them around and snap pictures with multiple interpretations?

Really suddenly the press can't get enough of them right before a new season starts? What.Are.The.Odds?

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4. "RE: The Blame Game"
You know, I hadn't thought about the coincidence of the timing, but I think you have a point. TLC just happens to start a new season at the same exact time that Kate's face is on every magazine at the checkout counter. Kind of makes you wonder if it was TLC that insisted on having a birthday party in a public park when their new home has plenty of room for bouncy things, plus a place to get in out of the cold.

I normally just watch this show when I'm flipping around, but I made it a point to record it this time.

(I feel so manipulated and used!)

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5. "RE: The Blame Game"
LAST EDITED ON 05-30-09 AT 08:34 AM (EST)

The marriage problems could be real.

I mean having that many kids that young with the pressures of a TV show can mess up any marriage.

That they suddenly seem to be getting so much press and are on every magazine cover and get specials on other networks and coverage on every single entertainment news shows makes me feel someone is trying to boost the TLC show's ratings, and based on the numbers they did get a boost in the ratings.

I hate to think they are faking the trouble just for ratings (but that wouldn't be unheard of). I think more the producers knew that trouble was brewing and saw dollar signs, and the people from every other media outlet saw a chance to also make some money off of them.

The whole "we just started this to document our kid's lives thing" irritates the carp out of me. I mean they could have hired a documentary film maker to do occasional footage and make a movie. Signing onto a likely to be ongoing reality TV show where drama is what is going to sell and then expect nothing will happen to stress you out seems particularly naive. I think they started it because it was easy money and didn't really care enough to think through what the ramifications would be. That is pretty common. Everyone wants the money and good things that fame brings and most people seem to want to believe that none of the bad things that happen to every one who came before will happen to them.

ETA: If I'm feeling in a more generous mood I will think they knew what would come but thought they would be able to handle it, and mis-estimated the impact and their coping skills.

Unfortunately they tend to say things that sound more deluded (the strange belief that no one with fame ever has bad things happen nor does the press go into a feeding frenzy when they smell blood in the water) than we knew this could happen and aren't as strong as we thought.

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16. "RE: The Blame Game"
Yep. TLC is to blame.

I think viewers are being duped to bring up the ratings.

FWIW, I have stopped watching. You all should too.

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6. "RE: The Blame Game"
There are two in a marriage and therefor it takes two to screw it up.

Kate became more of a nag/perfectionist/martyr the more Jon responded to things in a laid back, "whatever", lazy kind of way. Their worst qualities are a reaction to the other's worst quality.

I've been a fan from the get go. It's like looking at a completely different set of people. I think they both got caught up in the perks, the money and the fame.

While I get the whole "do this for our children" in the money respect. (hey they have 8 kids) At some point a rational person would be like "ok we got a good nest egg now, let's end it". I'd love to see it reported that they went on any vacation where it wasn't filmed. That they actually paid for themselves because they wanted to have quality time as a family. But we haven't and I doubt it will happen now.

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7. "RE: The Blame Game"
I just saw a picture in People magazine about Kate getting a Vespa scooter and Jon getting a large motorcycle from the Tuttles shop that is featured in American Chopper. This will be in an upcoming episode. This is seveal thousands more in freebies, but I'm sure that the motorcycles are being accepted "for the kids".
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8. "RE: The Blame Game"
Well, since this is my thread, I suppose I should interject my opinion, as well.

I don't like why J/K say they are still there. Both answer with "I'm here for my kids." That statement is an indicator of the root of their problems. J/K did not marry their kids. They married each other. A "well, duh" statement, I know, but they seem to have lost sight of that. As important as they are, kids must come secondary to each other in a marriage. Not just their's, but in any marriage.

It's easy to love when things are smooth and easy. But it is choosing to love when things are rough that makes a marriage strong and lasting. The key to that is basing your choice of love on what you want, not on how the other person is acting at the time.


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9. "RE: The Blame Game"
I started to discuss this in the monster thread. I think one of the biggest things is that "their" life stopped being "their" life.

In addition to what I said there, I'm going to add because it relates better here. How many times does someone have to say what a b!tch Kate is before she (a) becomes Super B!tch and (b) before Jon thinks, "Hey, I need a different path."

It's sad and unfortunate. I would like to see them try everything they can before giving up, but sometimes that's not meant to be.


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10. "RE: The Blame Game"
try everything they can before giving up, but sometimes that's not meant to be.

Sorry, Boo, but most times I feel this is not much more than a cop out, a way to take the easier way out by just giving up and quitting.


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I think that they should shut down the show and kate go on with her body guard, sure looks like they had fun here in NC..I feel that they lost the whole thing of the show, the kids..i feel so sorry for those kids..I feel with her hitting Jon and scream at ...he has had enough.

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12. "RE: The Blame Game"
I understand and somewhat agree with your point here. I don't necessarily mean they are not meant to be, but I do think there are some marriages that are not.



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If they really wanted to make a serious attempt to fix this, they absolutely need to pull out of all public appearances (speeches, book signings, TV shows, etc). I realize that there are contractual issues, but with Kate in the process of writing another book, the committments are ongoing.

I'm pretty sure that they should have enough money to live on for a while. Jon should get a job, go to school or do something to give him his identity back. Kate should stay closer to home. They should cut their staff, especially now that the kids are in school.

And I never, want to hear "we do it all for the kids" ever again.
(Joel McHale had a funny montage about them saying that on the Soup last week)

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14. "RE: The Blame Game"
I blame their problems on money.

If they're getting paid $75K/episode, that adds up to a lot of money over the course of a season. (While I don't remember exactly what Jon did when he was working, I'm sure he was paid much, much less than that.) With the payments for the show, all the extra help given to them for free, income from tabloid pictures/interviews, etc., they were able to buy a $1.3M house.

And with that ultra-rich lifestyle comes pressure. Pressure to keep making enough money to sustain the lifestyle. Pressure to "keep up with the Joneses" and have the latest, most stylish version of everything. Pressure to show they're really worth that much money. And pressure to stay together, to avoid killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

People get divorced every day in this country. For whatever reason, their relationships don't work out, and they go their separate ways. Jon got married very young, and having 8 kids in a short period of time was a huge lifestyle adjustment for him. Add in Kate's frequently-quoted statistic that "divorce rates of parents of multiples are 33% higher", and it adds up to a lot of marital pressure.

If they were ordinary people without a reality TV show, they'd already be in divorce court.


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15. "RE: The Blame Game"
I blame both Jon and Kate. The stats are not great for couples to have a lasting marriage if they have multiples to begin with. I think the popularity of the show and the books have gone to Kate's head. Obviously Jon's not happy if he leaving a womans house very early in the morning,hmmmm thats a pretty good indication that there is trouble. No married man should be doing that. Jon said on the last seasons finale show that he wasnt doing well adapting to the papparazzi and their fame. He probably had no idea how big this show was going to get and on top of that, he's home with 8 kids while Kate is doing her book tours. I'm not saying his behavior is acceptable but im sure it's hard to be in their shoes.

I understand the show provided the family with a lot of perks and of course lots of money per episode but i think this couple needs to step out of the spotlight and if they really are in this for the kids they will end the show and try to fix whats broken.

I dont think TLC is helping matters either. This past monday we saw an episode that was filmed in March which was Kates birthday BUT the season openers episode last week took place the beginning of May for the sextuplets birthday. So what gives TLC? Kate once said that they have no say in the editing of the footage taped. So TLC is tampering with factual events to make the story juicier which is not right either. Does anyone actually think about those 8 kids and what they will evenutally read about thier parents?

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17. "RE: The Blame Game"
I know it's just a show and they get edited however- but after watching last night- I blame Jon. I think he is 32 and now regretting he didn't live the party life during his 20's and now he wants to make up for it. I don't think he's thinking about what's best for his kids at all. Sure Kate has a strong personality- but she seems like a mama bear to me with regards to the kids. He just seems like a party-er.


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18. "RE: The Blame Game"
LAST EDITED ON 06-23-09 AT 04:00 PM (EST)

Another way to look at Jon's behavior is that Kate has driven away all their friends and family. How much have you seen them interact with anyone lately or have people over or anything? That kind of isolation where you only interact with your kids and spouse have driven a many stay at home moms/dads out of their mind.

Mind you, I blame both equally.


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19. "RE: The Blame Game"
Folks, this is very simple. The problem these two experienced...the reason the marriage is over is one reason...... They made they marriage all about the kids. With 8 kids it's tougher to focus on each other....it takes more work. But you throw in a tv show. Seriously what time did these two have to focus on each other? Both Jon and Kate still say they do everything for the kids. Oddly that is what got them in trouble. They gotta be happy also. There is a balance there, but they just lost focus. First thing I was told when I got married by my pastor was the marriage is the rock that holds the household together. If the couple is unhappy it all filters down anyways.
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