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"Did Technology Doom The Mole?"
DaSaintFan 47 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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07-24-02, 00:46 AM (EST)
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"Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-24-02 AT 01:06 AM (EST)I've gotten into this debate on the usenet with some users.. and it got me wondering... I know a lot of people have complained that if Bill is the mole, it was "too obvious" by ABC. However, that being said... if you take out certain "hidden clues"... 1) BANE 2) Admiral 3) Telegram Would Bill still have been under consideration by many people prior to now if they didn't have the above clues given to them thanks to various technological freeze-frames? I think Bill's now officially at the top of _most_ everyone's list by now. Those three clues have been used by many Billuminati (I just like that term better than BillFOMO) for their argument that the show was "too obvious"... If we didn't have TiVO, VCR pausers, and the internet and such, would many of the Billuminati still be favoring Bill over Dorothy and/or Heather? Someone on the newsgroup listed the games they "think" that people sabotaged, up through last week... (note: No money listings were used, as someone pointed out.. Bill's $ cost are much more than anyone else.) > Bill - 5 (Costumes, Think or Swim, Gnome Home, Tether Ball, Shopping) > Dorothy - 7 (Quiz, Costumes, Little Jane/John, Think or Swim, Second Chance, Tether Ball, Shopping) > Heather - 6 (Little Jane/John, Rappelling, Bike Relay, Gnome Home, Relative Disguise, Shopping) And obviously this isn't all of them... Just on the sabotage numbers alone, anyone of the three have made Mole-type actions... But most of the people who argue that it'll be "boring" if it's Bill, argue that point because of the three major hidden clues listed above. Heck, people wanted to find the clues... you FOUND the clues (again, if it is Bill)... and now it's ABC's fault that the show is boring, because people found them?? I for one, don't have TiVO nor do I record the shows and watch it frame by frame to find the hidden clues (although the "aka Bill" clue is one of those that even the non-technologists could eventually come to a conclusion as being a good clue.). I made my assumptions that it was Bill (with the outside shot on Katie and Heather) based on his game actions (starting with his telling Al not to give him the exemption back in ep.3, leaving the others to "beg" for it.).. and what I think was a reasonable guestimate. (And was "locked in" on Bill since the "Smart vs. Dumb" game as my choice until he is (if he is) eliminated from the game.). So for those of you who are calling "Boring episode because Bill was so obvious from near the beginning", are you saying that because you assumed it during the gameplay? (Which I would find hard to believe, considering that all the players have been somewhat 'equally molish'?) or are you saying that because of the possibly hidden clues that were presented to you thanks to technological advances? Did Technology do what Bribs' Mole Killer couldn't? Defeat Mole2?
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LadyLuna 114 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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07-24-02, 01:20 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
Can't answer that one until we find out who the mole is... these could be fun red herrings to throw us off the trail, in which case they won't have spoiled a thing...
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alleyb 98 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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07-24-02, 04:16 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
I am still holding out some slim hope that Bill isn't the Mole. It seems like the show has been pushing him so hard--and I currently think that is because they felt they needed to find a way to make watchers think that he was the Mole since they had so little in the way of actual interactions to point suspicion at him. I think they are trying hard to convince people of him being the Mole, right down to the shots of boats in tonight's episode (I'm sure I'm not the only one who found that particularly manipulative--it's the Admiral, it's the Admiral!). I suspected Heather early on, although I felt she was too similar to Kathryn...but maybe that was a built-in ploy to throw suspicion off of her--who would think that the producers of the show would choose a Mole so similar to the first? And the only person I'd be truly shocked to see as the Mole is Dorothy. She seems like such a "player-like player" to me now, but maybe that is the point. I'd be thrilled if Dorothy was indeed the Mole, but I'd be even more thrilled if she is a player and wins!
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Jims02 7328 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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07-24-02, 08:16 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
I agree completely... I have mentioned earlier that although I think Bill is the mole, mark my words, I do not want him to be the mole. And subconciously I realize that, since my Number 2 suspect Dorothy is suddenly gaining really fast. I don't think that any non-Billfomo wants truly wants Bill to be the mole, just because the show would have been ruined for them by the fourth episode.Yes, I do think technology is the Primary Argument of Billfomos (not Billumnati, or whatever). This show was supposed to be about watching for sabotage and suspicious behavior. This year turned in unscrambling codes, freeze-framing the T.V, and making desperate attempts at symbolism. This brings me to my next point. Of the Final Three, Bill has probably sabotaged the least. Last night proved it when he won (or lost?) the Liar Game, earning 50 grand. That's another reason, I don't want Bill to be the mole. He was awful! Go ahead, Billfomos, and say "I told you so" when you find out that Bill is the mole. But he was not a good mole! ----------------------------------- Quotes of the week: 1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra 2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather 3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa 4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin 5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson 6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson 7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia 8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs 9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin 10. "Man, I'm screwed."-Dorothy
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LadyLuna 114 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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07-24-02, 10:33 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
Yes, but didn't this make the game all the more fun???I'm primarily a Survivor fan and most of the fun I derive from that show is debating afterwards with my husband, family and friends, who the survivor is going to be. With the Mole 2, most of the fun for me has been this clue-seeking business and these online discussions Whether the technological hints were intentional or not and whether they were red herrings or not--they captured us all. They kept hundreds of us internet Molerons interested each week and fueled many a discussion. They gave us a game to play long after each episode was over. I'm glad they gave us so much to decipher, I'd even say these little "technology" clues enhanced the game for many of us!
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performanz 46 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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07-24-02, 12:27 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
I am also one that suspected Bill from the very beginning not because of the clues but because of what games he did and did not participate in. I wrote after the Repelling/ safe crack game that to me it proved that bill was the mole.If I was a player in the very first game I would have suspected the producers wanted the mole to be in the position that Bill and Darwin were in. Choosing players for the games, not participating in them. So right off the bat Bill and Darwin were my suspects. As a player I would have tried to volunteer myself for that because I would have been 95% certain that the other player would be the mole. Then in the second episode Bill did the same thing, he volunteered for a position where he got to select outfits for other players. Boom, Bill is top of the list. What sealed it for me was the repelling game. It was a game that was almost impossible game to win because it involved 5 people acting independently of each other. 1 screw up and they lose. I am sure the producers told Bill not to volunteer for that game. And what happened? Bill immediately volunteers Al for the game. And Bill also slipped up and said he would have changed more answers which is odd since he wasn't even playing in the game and wouldn't even know what the questions were. If I was a player I would have been quizing 100% Bill from that moment on. I am just surprised that the other players didn't suspect Bill from the very beginning too. Especially after revealing last time that they told Kathryn to volunteer for the first game. So it was obvious without any manufactured clues that Bill is the mole. If by chance he is not the mole I give him credit for being a great player to still be there with no coalitions and such a carefree attitude.
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landsharck 8 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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07-24-02, 12:44 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
I don't think technology (other than the internet) doomed The Mole. The people who wanted to find the clues did so. If you didn't want to know who the mole was, why would you spend so much time pausing your vcr or tivo?The first season's clues were ridiculous and it seemed like they just looked for things to make into clues when they were done filming. Everyone complained. This time around they actually gave clues. Now people say they're too obvious. I disagree. If it wasn't for the internet, most people who just watch the show (and don't write their senior thesis on the clues) wouldn't catch a lot of them. By the way, I caught one last night. During the quiz, when Anderson was reading the last question, "Who is the mole?" there was a shot of Bill waving bye bye and they melded that shot in with the next. The next shot was of the quiz screen and the cursor went to Al and then no one else. So, while watching it, it looked like Bill was waving goodbye to Al. That's all I got. Landsharck
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omar316 39 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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07-29-02, 06:29 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Did Technology Doom The Mole?" |
If Bill turns out to be the mole I think Technology did kind of ruin the suprise of it, and I will not be on the boards next mole. IF he isnt then technology just enhanced the suspense of the show. I came online to discuss moleish behaivors and SOME SUBTLE clues. A telegram saying BILL IS THE MOLE is not subtle at all. Even if you're not the one to figure that out, it only takes one person to ruin it for someone, like 1 person ruined it for me. If Bill is the mole, they need to work on having more subtle clues
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LadyLuna 114 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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07-29-02, 08:14 PM (EST)
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15. "Question--sorta linked to technology, well at least editing..." |
If Bill were the mole, wouldn't they be showing more of him? I feel like I got to know Dorothy, Al, and Heather way more than Bill. How does this compare to Kathryn last season. Did the viewers get to know her? Is there a possible clue in the editing and how much "spotlight" is put on a contestant?
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LaybackSpinPatty 27 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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07-30-02, 01:21 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Question--sorta linked to technology, well at least editing..." |
I think that is part of the mystery of the Mole. I think ABC wants to portray Bill as sort of a quiet, mysterious person. Or perhaps the reason we don't see too much of him is because the interview times are when the producers and the Mole work out their strategies for the next round. As for the technology debate, I think that the people who complain that the clues were too obvious are people that read too much into this. The average person who is going to watch the Mole probably doesnt spend all their time pausing the tape, and going to Mole forums. I think the clues that have been put in this season are MUCH better than last seasons. We (being the people who post on forums) are people who picked up on these clues very easily, seeing as how we are, shall we say, Mole connosoieurs. I think the average viewer watches the show, and maybe picks up on a couple clues, but I think to the average person, the identity of the Mole is still quite obscure.
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omar316 39 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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08-07-02, 01:20 AM (EST)
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19. "no more NET" |
first off I would like to say that the MOLE is the best show out there and hope it comes back for another season. But one of the things that makes the show so good is the aura of mystery that surrounds the mole. To me and many others the NET spoiled the mole and also the hidden clues. All the hidden clues were posted. SO next mole as much as I may want to no more INTERNET. I wish they would do more subtle clues, like the pisces clue and the apple one, not a message saying BILL IS THE MOLE,I bet without the telegram clue and the bill is the mole clue alot of the BILLFOMO's wouldnt be as sure. like I said altough the clue that said BILL is the MOLE was hard to find, on the internet all it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone. Let me know what you all think about the NET and spoilers
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LadyLuna 114 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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08-07-02, 10:29 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: no more NET" |
Well, although my picks turned out to be correct it was a bitter-sweet victory. I was really hoping that some of those obvious "Bill is the Mole" clues were red herrings to throw us off.I think there are two different types of viewers out there. The moleron that tapes the show, rewinding it and looking for clues and the casual viewer that just watches the show and tries to catch odd behavior. It's going to be a tall order to satisfy both camps. Perhaps the hidden, crack-the-code kind of clues ("Bill is the Mole") should be less obvious and include some red herrings. However, I'm wondering how they could make the clues aimed at the average tv viewer (such as the "McD's" reference) less obvious without discouraging them altogether. Wouldn't any such reference be too obvious for the hard-core code-cracking fan?
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