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"Now Jerri Can Go..."
Bruddah Max 20 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-15-01, 08:02 PM (EST)
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"Now Jerri Can Go..." |
Well, now that Colby, Tina, and Kieth can vote out Jerri (with Kucha's pitching in just for shame factor) without ruining the Ogakor majority, I'm sure they can do it. Everyone knows that Kucha pickage is inevitable now, why not make it pleasant by getting rid of the "wicked witch of the west" as Kieth puts it?CTK vote with the Kuchas to pick off Jerri, then tell Amber to vote with them or they'll pick her off too. Amber is a follower so that shouldn't be hard. Scenario A: 9. Jerri 10. Nick 11. Amber 12. Elizabeth Final Four = Colby, Kieth, Tina, Rodger This assumes that Kieth & Tina don't do the Good Guys™ Alliance that seems to be brewing. That gives us Scenario B: 9. Jerri 10. Nick 11. Colby 12. Amber Final Four = Rodger, Elizabeth, Tina, Kieth Both are very viable (but of course speculative) possibilities. This assumes that Elizabeth (in scenario A) or Amber (in scenario B) does not pull a Super Kelly™ and win immunity challenges all over the place. Anyone else care to pitch their Entirely Plausible But Speculative Theory™ for everyone to admire?
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Bruddah Max 20 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-15-01, 08:08 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
The lesson here is - do not put comments in brackets, use parenthesis. Sigh.Scenario A: 9. Jerri (it can be done safely - bye bye, Jerri) 10. Nick (strongest Kucha) 11. Amber (CTK vote against her for being such a Jerri tool, can still keep their majority) 12. Elizabeth (hard choice here, but she is stronger than Rodger who is a better (i.e. weaker) opponent at the physical immunity challenge that is certain to be done for the final four spot.) Final Four = Colby, Kieth, Tina, Rodger Scenario B: 9. Jerri (has to be done - they all hate her) 10. Nick (has to be done - one more Kucha must go, but T&K are already talking with Elizabeth and Rodger) 11. Colby (strongest one left for physical immunity - he must go. I suspect this is where Elizabeth ropes Colby in to have him vote for Amber, and feels guilty about lying to Colby now.) 12. Amber (odd one out at this point) Final Four = Rodger, Elizabeth, Tina, Kieth Ok, hopefully that clears up my theorizing.
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AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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03-15-01, 08:41 PM (EST)
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3. "or E10..." |
...but Jerri's safe for E9.
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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-15-01, 08:54 PM (EST)
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5. "E10 very unlikely for same reasons" |
Kucha goes in E9... Leaves: 2-Kucha 5-OgaJerri goes in E10... Leaves 2-Kucha 4-Oga (Amber could switch for 3 vs 3) Keith/Tina/Colby won't allow this. Kucha goes in E10... Leaves 1-Kucha 5-Oga Jerri goes in E11... Leaves 1 Kucha 4-Oga (Even if Amber switched its still 3-2 in favor of Keith/Colby/Tina) I really can't see Jerri going until EP11... when Amber has no recourse.
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AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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03-19-01, 00:41 AM (EST)
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24. "Play out the game" |
The problem with this strategy, PatB (love the name -- are you plotting to rule the world?), is so simple that I missed it when I originally evaluated this strategy. Jerri isn't worried about getting to the final three, because she believes that Colby is going to carry her there, along with Amber. Because Jerri is loyal to others, she expects them to be loyal to her. She isn't looking to double-cross anyone. Therefore, she doesn't realize that her current strategy is on the verge of disaster. As far as Amber switching sides to the Kucha, I could see her doing that ONLY if she liked them and they liked her. Elisabeth has naively burned her chances to create such an alliance by falling for Benedict Tina's BS. Nick's illness also makes it problematic whether an insurgency could last, since Nick may have to bolt to the hospital at some point. All in all, I think Colby can keep Amber loyal to Ogakor (as well as keep her warm at night once Jerri leaves).
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namssa 24 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-15-01, 08:54 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
Why boot Jerri now? If I were there I would try and get myself in the final 2 with Jerri. If you get in the final 2 with Jerri it's a guarantee that the 1 million is yours. Nobody will vote Jerri the winner. I think she stays quite a while. 2 possiblilies: 1) Nick is next. Now that it is 5-2 Keith, Tina and Colby will boot off Jerri Amber will get in with Liz and Roger and boot Colby in 3-3 tie but Colby with 5 votes loses the tie-breaker. Keith gets immunity and they (except Liz) all together vote off Roger in a 3-2 vote. Final 4 Keith, Liz, Tina, Amber. 2) Straight Kucha voting. Nick Liz Roger Now Colby has a decision to make. Vote off Jerri aligning with Tina and Keith. Or vote off Keith alignin with Jerri and Amber. Smart play is to vote off Keith, then Tina. Win final immunity and vote off Amber. Colby vs. Jerri. That would be an 8-1 vote for him! We'll just have to wait and see!
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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-15-01, 08:59 PM (EST)
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6. "Risky going into final 3 with Amber AND Jerri" |
Colby would absolutely require immunity to survive as neither Amber nor Jerri would want to go to final vote against Colby. Better to split this alliance earlier and take the weaker of the two (Amber) further on... Neither Amber nor Jerri stand a chance in the final vote unless they are the last two. Either one would be a great choice to be against in the final two... but too dangerous together to go against for the final three...
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namssa 24 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-15-01, 09:15 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Risky going into final 3 with Amber AND Jerri" |
I disagree because going into the final 3 with Keith and Tina is more dangerous for 2 reasons. Colby is too likeable and both Keith and Tina will likely vote off Colby. And winning final immunity agains Jerri/Amber would be easier than Keith/Tina. Plus I'm not so sure Jerri wouldn't pick Colby to go to the final 2. Especially if Colby turns on the juices with Jerri in the final few days. We all know Jerri likes Colby. If he know's he'll be in the final 3 with Jerri he can play Jerri for that final vote. Remember... Jerri thinks that Colby is still in her alliance with Amber. Colby really has all the cards... he's is plaything this game brilliantly.
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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-15-01, 09:34 PM (EST)
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9. "More Combinations than Just Two" |
A Tina/Keith vs. Colby scenario being less attractive does not neccesarily make Jerri/Amber more likely.It doesn't have to be a choice between: Jerri/Amber vs. Colby OR Tina/Keith vs. Colby Here's a possible scenario... Going into EP11... 1 Kucha and 5 Ogas... Jerri gets booted Going into EP12... 1 Kucha and 4 Okas... Last Kucha gets booted Going into EP13... Colby Keith Tina Amber Colby secretly aligns with Amber. 2-way tie Amber vs. Keith Keith loses on prior votes. Going into EP14... Colby Amber Tina (a diff combo) or Going into EP13... Colby Keith Tina Amber Colby and Keith align and vote off Tina because she is too popular. Going into EP14... Colby Keith Amber (another diff combo) There are more than two choices...
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Kokoro 3899 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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03-15-01, 09:25 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
<<then tell Amber to vote with them or they'll pick her off too>>Don't you think that would make Amber even more likely to defect? Ooooh watch out everyone there's a "crack" in the alliance. Yeah, maybe; If crack was slang for millionaire. Kimmi! Get back here!
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GAPMAN400 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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03-15-01, 10:56 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
How could Nick possibly make it to the final 4? He's like a camera man without a camera!
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-16-01, 12:22 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
I agree about Nick. The guy is so far under the radar that we don't even remember he is there. For some reason MB wants us to forget about Nick. Surely Nick is doing some talking to the others. We just don't hear it. He voted for Jerri. So obviously there were talks between him with Alicia, Liz and Rodger. I keep thinking Nick is going to slip through to the final 4 or 5. Then he will be out. He won't win. But he may be around longer than the other Kuchas.
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Dalton 1271 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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03-15-01, 11:48 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
Of course they "Can" BudMax but why in the name of anything rational SHOULD they??? Jerri is necessary right now; she can be booted anytime. Next episode it is much more smart to vote out Elisabeth. Lis is making too much headway sucking up to Tina. Plus Lis carries Rodger's vote in her hip pocket. Chopping cute, sweet, little Lis' neck like one of those chickens they couldn't wait to eat should: 1) Scare the bejesus out of Rodger. 2) Lull Amber into a false sense of security ----being the only cute chick left. and 3) Possibly wake Nick from his stupor; or not! Forget what would make S2 "more pleasant" because its outwit, outlast, outplay. Dalton
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LowRent 49 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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03-16-01, 04:28 AM (EST)
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12. "semi-rational reasons why they SHOULD ditch Jerri" |
Here's why they'll ditch Jerri:1) They've been DYING to since episode 6 (Mike's burns postponed her departure) 2) Next week will be the first opportunity to ditch her and still maintain an Ogakor majority..stress is relieved..Ogakor will be stronger without her. 3) Amber will remain loyal. She'll be confused for a day or two, but Tina or Colby will explain to her what has happened (hopefully with pictures and/or a puppet show) That girl is dumber than a wet carrot. Or Knowing that only one Oga would need to defect to oust Jerri in a 4-4 tiebreaker, Perhaps Tina or Keith will try to "Pull a Colby" and attempt to play both sides, voting with Kucha one week and then back to Oga the next...this might be suicidal or brilliant maneuvering. We'll use Benedict Tina in example: Week 9 she votes with Kucha against Jerri, leaving Og Members =4 K=3 Week 10 votes with Ogas, Og=4 K=2 Week 11 votes with Kucha, Og=3 K=2 Week 12 votes with Ogas, Og=3 K=1 Week 13 votes with last Kucha Og=2 K=1 Week 14 votes with Keith to oust last Kucha (providing she or Keith wins immunity) This would definitely shake things up again, with very close votes and more tiebreakers, but what a great strategy!!
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ACPS65 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-17-01, 11:16 AM (EST)
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17. "Good Grief." |
Or maybe, Kucha gets picked off seeing how now it's 5 Ogakor's to what, 3 Kucha's? Yeesh.
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Minstrel 422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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03-18-01, 05:20 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
It's still too dangerous to take Jerri out now from an Ogakor point of view. At 5-2, the insurance is there and so is the final four. Immunity could ruin the best laid plans. In fact, Kucha should approach Jerri in an effort to take out Keith, Colby, and Tina. Obviously the attempt to pull Tina last week failed. They need a "same boat" scenario and Jerri is most likely in the same boat as the Kuchas.
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Annadad 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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03-18-01, 01:58 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
I don't think they can afford to get rid of Jerri just yet. That would leave them with 3 Kuchas left and only 4 Ogies with one of those four being Amber, Jerri's lovely assistant. I don't think they could count on Amber's vote to polish off the rest of the Kuchas after they ousted her buddy. Amber would make a bee line for the surviving Kuchas, team up with them and force a 4-4 vote. Colby and Keith have a lot of prior votes so they would lose the tie breaker. The all powerful Ogie alliance would be history, losing out to the newly created "Kuchawhore" alliance of Roger, Liz, Amber and Nick.I want Jerri out as much as the next guy but the Ogies would be stupid to get rid of her in Ep. 9. In Ep. 10, it is a different story. You have to remember that there are two-person alliances all over the Outback that form voting blocks within tribal blocks. Amber/Jerri, Liz/Roger, Keith/Tina. With Jerri gone, Amber would know that she was next sooner or later. She would have to give the Kuchas a try. In Ep 10, it would be 5-2, Ogies over Kuchas. Now they could dump Jerri and Amber and still have a moajority over the remaining Kuchas. This is the scenario I think makes the most sense for Keith/Tina and Colby as well. I've already analyzed this so I won't repeat it. If you want to see how it plays out, check out: http://community.survivorblows.com/boards/DCForumID2/880.shtml
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Annadad 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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03-18-01, 06:04 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
Amber might not be a "Jeopardy" finalist but she can't be stupid enough to listen to Colby after he opposed her and Jerri to vote off Mitchell and again to vote off Jerri. Besides, Colby loses nothing by waiting another week to toast Jerri. Even if you guys are right and Amber is too stupid to line up with the remaining Kuchas, why should Colby, Tina and Keith take the risk that she will have a sudden epiphany and run to Kucha after Jerri is wasted by her own tribe? Jerri is a pain but with a million bucks on the line, why take chances when you can just knock out a Kucha this week and Jerri next week? That is when you can be sure that Amber won't defect to Kucha, when it won't do her any good to do so. Taking a Kucha out in Ep 9 and Jerri out in Ep 10 leaves it 4-2, Ogies over Kucha. If Amber defected then, it would be too late as it would just make it 3 Ogies to 3 Kucha, forcing a tiebreaker. In fact, since Keith and Colby have quite a few prior votes, they might not even want to risk an Amber defection in Ep 11 by voting off Jerri in Ep 10, causing Amber to flee to the last two Kucha. They are too vulnerable in a tie breaker. They might not be able to vote off Jerri safely until Ep 11, unless they make a deal with a couple Kuchas themselves.Thats the scenario I like: Vote off one more Kucha and then Tina, Keith and Colby make a deal with the two remaining Kucha and then vote off Jerri and Amber in Ep 10 and 11. After that, the Ogie alliance kicks back in and the two Kuchas are voted out leaving Keith, Tina and Colby in the final three to duke it out. That leaves plenty of time for Jerri to become friends with Alicia and allows for one Kucha to make the final four (I'd say Liz). It also covers the Tina spoilers.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-18-01, 07:15 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-18-01 AT 07:23 PM (EST)Okay, let's take this step by step (nothing personal or trying to pick on you, Annadad) >Amber might not be a "Jeopardy" >finalist but she can't be >stupid enough to listen to >Colby after he opposed her >and Jerri to vote off >Mitchell and again to vote >off Jerri. Colby even brought it up in E8 in the "Hyena" night chat, telling J & A that "Keith owes me one." Colby explained his actions to a (right peeved) Jerri about that Keith/Mitchell vote. You are right, however, that it might still be in the back of J&A's minds. It's a risk, but I think that Colby thinks that he has it under control. >Besides, Colby >loses nothing by waiting another >week to toast Jerri.
I must disagree with this. Jerri might have that "epiphany" and see the forest instead of the trees. It is in Colby's interests to go ahead and let Jerri "happen". >Even if you guys are >right and Amber is too >stupid to line up with >the remaining Kuchas, why should >Colby, Tina and Keith take >the risk that she will >have a sudden epiphany and >run to Kucha after Jerri >is wasted by her own >tribe? It is indeed a risk, but a) Jerri is going to be waxed by EVERYONE, not just her own tribe, b) Colby can explain to Amber that she might have been in the same boat with Jerri if she (Amber) remained allied to Jerri, c) Amber still will know that her survival would hinge on Colby, NOT Kucha. In fact in a C/A/K/T final four with Colby winning immunity would be very good for Amber's health (Colby would rather keep Amber than either K or T with Final Immunity looming). d) if Keith and Tina insist on booting Jerri, Colby will not have much choice but to go along, or risking his whole house of cards. > Jerri is a >pain but with a million >bucks on the line, why >take chances when you can >just knock out a Kucha >this week and Jerri next >week? That is when >you can be sure that >Amber won't defect to Kucha, >when it won't do her >any good to do so. Actually, using your theses above, the same scenario applies in a 5-2 situation. After Jerri goes, making it 4-2, an Amber defection makes it 3-3. So those posts that Jerri can't be safely booted until 5-1 would hold under this logic. This has been the crux of the entire debate on this thread. My position on it is simply that the risk is less than the reward for them to go ahead and wax Jerri NOW.
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AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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03-19-01, 01:01 AM (EST)
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25. "Colby's tactics" |
Colby has lots on his mind. Tina is busily praying with Rodger and Elisabeth. Jerri is whining in his ear. Keith is winning ICs. What's an Ogakor leader to do?Well, he has three big problems. One is a potential Keith, Tina, Rodger, Elisabeth alliance. Colby, unlike Liz, knows all of Benedict Tina's history and was in the Jerri/Mitchell alliance with her; he knows she will change sides if she thinks it is to her advantage. The second is the fact that Keith and Tina want rid of Jerri, who is a solid vote supporting Colby. The third is what we'll call the "Michael factor": the possibility of a game-changing injury if the margin between Kucha and Ogakor ever slipped to one vote. How to address all three? Well, first, get rid of either Rodger or Liz. Second, promise Keith and Tina that you'll support them in voting off Jerri in the next episode if they agree to dump Rodger or Liz now. If you tell Jerri and Amber that Liz is the target, the final vote will be (at worst) 3-2-2, and Jerri is gone. Finally, assure Amber that you're going on to an all-Ogakor Final Four, but that you couldn't tell her ahead of time about the decision to boot Jerri; after a few back rubs, she'll come around and Ogakor will still have its 2-person majority. ******* Final four: 1st Keith, 2nd Amber, 3rd Tina, 4th Colby
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ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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03-20-01, 11:11 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
>I agree with you, Loree... Amber's allegiance is moving to Colby, not Jerri. Coming back to camp from that dinner to that FROSTY reception has given Amber reason for pause. *** Yup - I backed this up somewhere else on this post. A young girl with a crush equals scrambled thoughts in allegiance with the guy, not her gal-pal. >Jerri is next: the others want to play the game in peace and relative friendship *** And I truly believe that too. I keep voting for Jerri in Superman's weekly boot-off picks based on that feeling. And hell, Tina came right out and said in in episode 8! ************************************** What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about???
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Bruddah Max 20 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-19-01, 03:28 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Now Jerri Can Go..." |
Colby's a nice guy but if I were Tina or Kieth I don't think I'd want to be facing him in immunity challenges in the final 4 or 5 - would you?Jerri must go because no one wants her to pull a "Super Kelly" (entirely possible) and immunity herself into the final two. That guarantees that wench $100 large and I don't think Kieth or Tina could live with that. I still see Kieth and Tina gravitating toward the other two "nice Christian folks" in Rodger and Elizabeth, with the thinking that if they don't win at least they'll feel good about the person who does win. Colby is a physical threat (as is Nick but not as much) and the "go team" mentality is sure to dissipate in favor of personal relationships. Survivor I's Tagi alliance was really only 3 people (Rich, Rudy, Sue) and only lasted as long as it did because by the time people figured out there was an alliance it was too late to do anything about it. I don't see any alliance in Ogakor more than two people strong - Kieth/Tina, Jerri/Amber and Colby is a swing vote. Of course, Survivor I was determined by Greg Buis's random number vote, which brilliantly negated the whole purpose of the game. Perhaps something similarly interesting will happen this time. These next two weeks will be interesting indeed.
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