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"Why ain't ya put out yet, teammate?!?"
Great episode of Combat Mission's last night. I thought for sure that Bravo was gone after the Delta mission and then they hauled off and ran a perfect mission. The thing I have really liked about this show is the level of importance that honor and respect played amond the contestants. I couldn't be happier to see Helvenston going home FINALLY.

When Brano goes into the final winner challenges you will see all of the players win and lose with dignity. No stupid hystrionics or putting down your military brothers.

Great show. Does anybody know if USA is planning on bringing it back?

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teamm... SurvivinDawg 04-11-02 1
   An upset! AyaK 04-11-02 2
       RE: An upset! SurvivinDawg 04-11-02 3
   RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teamm... munson 04-11-02 4
 RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teamm... shakes the clown 04-12-02 5
   RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teamm... PagongRatEater 04-12-02 6
       RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teamm... SurvivinDawg 04-12-02 7

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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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04-11-02, 12:32 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teammate?!?"
Did you notice how that COWARD Helvenston backed off and started looking for Mommie's skirts to run under when Winn confronted him man-to-man?

Helvenston has acted SO badly that I truly believe MB has been paying him to create the drama. No WAY this guy is for real.

I thought both teams ran the op exceptionally well. It wasn't clear to me just how Nutter got caught and "killed", but I'll re-watch the tape.

I don't know if it will be back. While some of the show and some of the missions have been good, a lot of it has been downright awful. Reality-TV and military concepts have not melded well together in the examples we've seen so far ("Boot Camp", "Combat Missions", and I heard that "American Fighter Pilot" isn't going to get off the ground).

Unfortunately, I think "Combat Missions" was gutted. I think they were planning to use a lot of the time showing the mission planning around the sand tables, the practices, how they operate. Then the real military stepped in and said "Hold on, don't be giving away our techniques!" Only ONE C.I.A. operative (Baz) was on the show, and I suspect that was for a reason...

I would be surprised if Combat Missions does come back. Unless MB gets really bored. But then again, if they're even considering bringing back Boot Camp, then I guess anything is possible....

*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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04-11-02, 03:10 PM (EST)
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2. "An upset!"
Well, maybe not from the records, but certainly an upset from the editing. So Bravo advances despite being so anonymous.

I agree with Dawg's comments about this show. It seems to me that the only way it works is if it's about STRATEGY, but the strategic aspects of mission planning were virtually ignored. MB knows how to tell a good story, so I agree with Dawg -- he was asked not to reveal too much (perhaps due to the current military situation) and went along with it. Unfortunately, it gutted the show of most of its attraction.

I don't think there is any way that this show is coming back, even with USA Network's need for original programming. But USA Network still does need original programming, so I expect that MB will offer some other kind of show (with non-military folks) that represents a cross between the semi-professional team competition of Eco-Challenge and the amateurs with simple games of Survivor ... probably similar in some ways to what No Boundaries aspired to be.

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04-11-02, 05:11 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: An upset!"
I agree with most of what you say, AyaK. I was going to wait until the show was over to ask this, but I might as well now: What do y'all think would make CM a bit better?

For me, I'd first put this show in a woodland instead of a desert environment (and you could keep some of the urban missions). The desert did not work well for Survivor III; it did not work very well here. Woodland environments WOULD work: I watch "Best Ranger Competition" and "Marine Super Squad" all the time.

Second, I'd find some way to not show the same mission two weeks in a row. One idea I had was to have two teams of eight. The winners get some kind of reward, but for the first two weeks BOTH teams vote off players. When it's 6-6, then you play to keep teammates, first maybe replacing (or maybe not), THEN being shorthanded (or do this immediately). Then have one team and some kind of individual immunity concept, and vote off a player.

I like the Boot Camp idea of the bootee turning around and waxing another player. Maybe that could be incorporated, but if not for legal reasons, maybe Col. Rudy, Maj. "B.J." Myers, the Sergeants-Major vote off one of the two, with Heather the Medic Babe being the tiebreaker if needed.

Alas, I don't think this is going to come to pass, unless there is a real desire in MB and other high-level types to try it again. And MB has enough on his plate with Survivor and Survivor-style shows.


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04-11-02, 11:17 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teammate?!?"
Helvenston has acted SO badly that I truly believe MB has been paying him to create the drama. No WAY this guy is for real.

Dawg, I think this is a legit suspicion. A simple name search on Yahoo quickly displays the guy's Hollywood background, including the Demi Moore opus, "Navy Seals," along with several exercize videos and stunt man teams. I don't doubt that Helvenston was attempting to show off his acting chops in hopes of creating some kind of buzz to further a show biz career. Of course, his was a display of the most basic type of performance, the kind you're likely to see in the WWF - or a Jerri Manthey vehicle. Uh, over the top much? I think we have a 2002 Blowie nominee for Drama Queen!

Curious to note that Helvenston and his arch enemey O'Shea worked together for a stunt group called Frogmen. It appears there may be a little more history between the two than we were let in on.

Personally, I've been rooting for Bravo all along. The team with 4 SWAT guys that seemed like such an underdog at the start end up as the undefeated champions. Nice job.

Any thoughts/spoilers for next week's 2 hour finale??

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04-12-02, 00:01 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teammate?!?"
I was very upset to see Delta lose, only because they had the better personalities and it would've been a lot of fun to watch them go at it for the big money.

And I've liked Hevelston so far in this series, but last night he was a complete psychotic idiot, and it cost his team the championship. It's just like some of us were saying earlier in the season...a guy like Hevelsten is okay to have on your team provided that you are winning and things are going well, but the second the team starts playing poorly and losing guys like that are always teh first to lose it and completely ruin the team.

Also, some people said they feel sorry for Baz for having to put up with this crap...I for one think he has no one to blame but himself....he's the team leader and early on when Hevelsten first started acting out (against O'Shea) Baz even said that he was going to encourage Hevelston to keep it in order to psych out the other team. Obviously, he gave Hevelston too much slack on the leash and the inevitable happened....if he had reigned him in when this crap first happened I doubt Hevelston would've felt that he had the leeway to continue acting like that.

And going off on the Seargeant for doing what he did on EVERY show (humiliating the guy who screwed up) showed what a complete psychotic idiot he is.

Overall, its an okay show.....but the missions all started looking the same about half way through it, and having them repeat missions from ep to ep was a big mistake in terms of appeasing the viewers. I thought the best parts were teh pre-mission challenges like the grid and the gauntlet...I wish there were more of those and less of the missions themselves.

But, when it comes down to it, without Hevelston this show would've been UNWATCHABLE by anyone in the viewing public except people in the military who get into this type of stuff.


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04-12-02, 11:37 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teammate?!?"
As much as I disliked Helveston and he antics you are probably right. I kept watching the show waiting for him to loose. Watching the train wreck that was Charlie Squad was interesting...every other week. Jody (the NC squat guy who left Bravo on the medical discharge) was also very entertaining.

I think the biggest issue this show had was not enough focus on the personalities involved. Granted, there were a s-load of people, but I think they should have replaced at least one "replace a soldier" round with another round of team competitions. If we had gotten fewer people and gotten to know then better, I think we could have gotten more personally involved with the show. Survivor does a great job of making it about people and it seems like we are finally, just this week, going to get to know Bravo squad for one week.

I agree on the missions, too. They need to find a way to make them more varied and interesting (not to mention come up with some better code names!). There were some really good aspects of Boot Camp that they could have brought into this game to help it.

I hope that they do bring it back, but the show definitely needs some help. Ratings were good for the USA network, so I'm guessing that they are at least considering it. MB may not want to do it again, so that definitely puts a damper on it.

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04-12-02, 06:56 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Why ain't ya put out yet, teammate?!?"
Different people watch the show for different reasons. I watched for the military aspect, to enjoy the missions and the military firepower, etc. Also, MB kept hyping up the military careers of these guys and trying to convey the message that these are some of the best (and best trained) military and SWAT ops people in the world. For these reasons, I find Helvenston's psycho rants to be out of the "mainstream" of this show, not to mention embarrassing to those armed forces groups he's been painted to be representing on the show.

Others may be watching from the Reality-TV/game/drama aspect. Those persons are going to love the conflict that Helvenston introduced into the game and the drama and tension it induces. If this WEREN'T a military type show, I'd enjoy this aspect of it, also.

I agree that the people (especially Bravo) haven't been very well introduced on this show. Temptation Island and its singles suffered from that also, IMHO. As I said, if we reduced the teams to two eight-man teams, we could focus on the players a bit more.

I talked about the desert environment above, so I won't rehash it now.

If the ratings were good, we might get a second edition. I think it'll depend on several issues (continued interest or induced indifference as the post 9/11 frenzy wanes down, etc.) but I do hope they make changes in the 2d edition. Writing summaries gets to be a bit routine...


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