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"TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? "
TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-07-05, 08:59 PM (EST)
 
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"TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
I was reading TV guide's insider section and there's an interview with Ray about TAR. Dear God, just when I think that Ray couldn't have been a bigger douchebag than he was, he goes and surprises me. According to the interview, not only was the bus scheme all Ray's idea, but he had the idea of carrying it further and stranding all the other teams, except Rob and Amber and Ray and Deana, at a rest stop. Here's the quote
We were going to hijack the bus in the middle of nowhere," reveals Ray, who adds that he cooked up both this rotten idea and the door trick and then enlisted Rob's help. During the long ride to Arequipa, the bus made rest stops along the way. At one of these stops, Ray and Deana and Rob and Amber planned to bribe the driver to leave before the other teams got back on the bus.
"We were going to strand those teams in the middle of a remote mountain area with no other bus coming through for 24 hours," says Ray. "But by the time we were able to bribe the driver, some of the teams were already back on the bus and we couldn't do it. Had we pulled it off, it would have been a classic moment. Of course, then I wouldn't have as many people coming to my wedding."
Had he been able to pull off this plan, it may have been technically within the rules of the game, but it would have put all the other teams at a 24 hour plus disadvantage, which not only puts everyone else at a crippling disadvantage, but also throws off the whole filming and crew schedule. Would this have been allowed, or do you think R&D and R&A would have been hit with a penalty for interfering? I'm also curious to hear other people's thoughts on this move - genius and fair game, or totally scummy and unfair? If the 2 teams had pulled it off successfully, would it have changed your minds on either/both of these teams?
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PokerBear 24 desperate attention whore postings
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04-07-05, 09:19 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
I never like these two teams anyways. You don't have to be mean and evil to run a race.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 02:49 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
LOL! I like that - have to remember it
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Dakota 5619 desperate attention whore postings
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04-07-05, 10:42 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
I agree PokerBear.
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kvasir79 48 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 00:32 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
i agree, there's been too many grace factor in this race, you can miss the train and still make it to the finish line within seconds of the other teams. The producers make sure there are frequent transporation and plenty of time for the teams to make it.It's an excellent scenario, though the teams separated by 24 hours or more, either by bribing or by naturally missing a flight, train or something. I would say if this happens, the pit stop will still go on as plan for the first group that arrives such that everyone still gets to stay for 12 hours before leaving. I think that would make the game much more interesting to watch. Logistically it would be very difficult. i think bribing is ok, as long as it doesn't interfere with the other teams. Like bribing the driver to take a short cut, get a guide, etc.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 03:01 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
To kvasir79: the cynical side of me thinks that the logistical nightmare would probably be so bad that the production would try to even the playing field by either socking the offending teams with a penalty or trying to help out the stranded teams. They have a finite number of cameramen and crew and with 4/5 of the team gone, they have to replan the entire course, extend the Roablock/Detour sites and extend the race by a day. Not bloody likely
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 02:52 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
Well, it would have shaken things up, that's for sure. I really do wonder if despite the no interference rule, if the Editors don't keep a tighter rein over the bunchings in order to keep the production moving smoothly. Take Lori and Bolo's miracle train, for example. I'm sure that one of the camera crew would have radioed for help and pleaded with someone to get them from the crowd of pi$$ed off, cranky racers
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MTommy 80 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 06:03 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
Why do people insist on a producer induced train? I really really really don't understand that argument. Trains are a major means of transportation in Eastern Europe. In addition there are “night trains” that make frequent stops "at night". I took a train from Krakow to Budapest and we stopped frequently all the way along; we even got our passports stamped for entry and exit through Slovakia. I'm not even saying 100% that this was one of those trains (though I do think that it is the most likely scenario), we've seen in the past (season 1 or 2?) that a freight ship is still a "ship" as defined by the rules. Also in the context of this thread, why would the producers care if 1 team falls behind? The one team gets eliminated, So What! Everyone else who is still in the game still stays on the same leg (i.e. no production nightmare). I can’t say enough how much I disagree that Bolo’s train was supplied by the producers. Wouldn’t it cost more to run a train than to just eliminate 1 team? Logically, it’s illogical to believe that the train was provided. This is just a conspiracy theory. More on topic, they would have had to offer that driver some serious cash because that stunt would likely cost him his job. Seriously, leaving 10 of the whiniest bitchiest people (American’s, of which I am one) at some road stop in the middle of the night! Race or No Race I can not imagine that the driver would be gainfully employed for very long after that stunt. However, I wish it would have gone down like that because it would have been interesting to see the results. Chaos .02
TerriBlue, I'm not sure you and I can really agree on anything.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 02:56 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
I wonder if that's why they have the Amazing bunchings - in order to eliminate huge gaps like that. I don't think even the best teams are capable of narrowing a 24 hour gap. I'm willign to bet that if R&A and R&D had pulled this off, the producers either would have socked them with penalties or sent over a bus for the remaining racers. Otherwise they have those neatly arranged tasks and no one to do them
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Jealousy 109 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 09:23 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
If they really did pull this off, I wonder if the other teams could catch a cab instead (if they could pay for one) or hitchhike, because of the turn of events.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 02:26 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
I think that would depend on whether or not there were any phones at the rest stop - otherwise, howand who do they call? I wonder if in those circumstances if the cameramen would interfere and radio for help
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 02:27 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
It would have been interesting, but I'm rather glad it didn't happen. Ray was enough of a jerk without it
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 02:42 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
The question then becomes again, where is the line drawn? Generally, most of the tricks that have been pulled are petty little things that cost maybe 15 minutes, or an hour at worst. It seems like when the interference can cost a team a great deal of time, the producers swoop in with penalties, whether it's accidental or not. Take for example Freddy taking the extra clue and Don and MJ accidentally taking someone else's car. Are you allowed to cancel someone's wake-up call, or bribe the hotel manager to let you come in and switch their bags to another room? Can you penny them into their hotel rooms? Can you pay off a big burly guy on the train to go over and deliberately sexually harrass some of the female team members? Can you go over to the police and make a false report that one of the team members swiped your wallet? All of these are technically legal and within the rules, but are they fair moves? Another possibility that my boyfriend brought up is that if you really dislike another team and you're in a footrace with them and you know you're not going to beat them, can you tackle them and restrain them while another team gets there first? The team that restrained them would probably be penalized or disqualified, but the restrained team would still lose. This came up while discussing Lynn and Alex's Romber hate and if they fell behind, if they'd be willing to go down just to bring Romber with them. L&A could easily make an agreement with the other final 3 team that whichever of them that's behind will block Romber and then both teams will split the million
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Spidey 6259 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 03:20 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
The reasons there were the penalties you spoke of is because one of the teams took an extra clue and one took the wrong car (both of which are probably laid out as race rules).I think the line is you can do anything you want so long as it doesn't violate a TAR rule or do something illegal. Are you allowed to cancel someone's wake-up call, or bribe the hotel manager to let you come in and switch their bags to another room? Can you penny them into their hotel rooms? Can you pay off a big burly guy on the train to go over and deliberately sexually harrass some of the female team members? Can you go over to the police and make a false report that one of the team members swiped your wallet? All of these are technically legal and within the rules, but are they fair moves? I can't imagine ANY of these examples being within the rules, with the possible excpetion of canceling the wake-up call. Bribing a hotel manager to move someone's bags is interfering with personal property. Penny-ing someone into their room is false imprisonment. Paying off a burly guy to harass someone is also illegal, as is making a false police report.
  
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Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-05, 04:06 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
I'm sure teams conspiring to split the money is against the rules.
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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04-09-05, 02:06 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: TV guide interview on 1 of Ray's botched plans - fair or unfair? " |
That was a rule on Survivor, but that was broken when Romber were clearly conspiring to share the cash, when Rob mentioned he might be spending Amber's money at the end.##### was an entirely different game. All the players came in with schemes and plans cooked up prior to the game. Since some of them came in with pre-conceived alliances, I hardly think a fuss over Rob and Amber splitting the money in the end was whine-worthy. Not to mention, since they got married, there wasn't much way to stop them. hey wanted to enforce their rules and punish people for breaking the law, Romber wouldn't be anywhere past leg 2 because they bribed a bus driver and bribed security guards. In what country is it illegal to bribe a bus driver to close a door or to pay a security guard to keep quiet? None that I'm familiar with. It's also not part of the rules of TAR or else scads of teams would have been eliminated before as they BRIBED their taxi drivers to drive faster or people to get them to a location more quickly. 
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