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"How many laws has Rob broken?"
Yes, I know that many of you think that anything is fair in the pursuit of a million dollars. But after watching the recap, I thought it might be an interesting exercise to list the various laws that Rob has (apparently) broken. If you want to pick on other teams' lawlessness, feel free to start your own thread.


Okay, so far, Rob has committed:

Bribery - on several occassions. No, wait, I'm sure the producers just edited the conversations to make it sound like Rob was giving people money to help him or hinder the other teams.

Fraud - by convincing others to throw in their money for a bribe and then withholding his own money. No, no, I guess the others just should have known that Rob did not have to throw in his money since it was his idea to bribe the driver in South America.

Wreckless driving/endangerment of others - by switching lanes repeatedly and rapidly for the sake of getting Meredith to do the same. Well, it was probably the camera angle that made it look like Rob crossed back from an off-ramp back onto the highway.

Can anyone else think of anything that might stick to this weasel before his behavior successfully keeps someone else from winning?

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 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Cleveland Guy 04-07-05 1
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 2
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? nailbone 04-07-05 9
           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 23
           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Dakota 04-07-05 41
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? trudy 04-07-05 11
           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 24
               RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Jealousy 04-07-05 39
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? sharonk52 04-07-05 28
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? BigGuy2her 04-07-05 4
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? nailbone 04-07-05 10
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? packrat 04-07-05 14
           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 25
               RE: How many laws has Rob broken? packrat 04-07-05 31
                   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Jealousy 04-07-05 40
               RE: How many laws has Rob broken? CantStandToLook 04-09-05 77
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? TerriBlue 04-07-05 5
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? bostonrobfan 04-07-05 15
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? nailbone 04-07-05 17
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? TerriBlue 04-07-05 20
           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? nailbone 04-07-05 21
               RE: How many laws has Rob broken? TerriBlue 04-07-05 27
                   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? nailbone 04-08-05 47
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 26
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? RatPat 04-07-05 3
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? dragonflies 04-07-05 13
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? MTommy 04-07-05 6
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 30
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? MTommy 04-07-05 37
           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-08-05 48
               RE: How many laws has Rob broken? nailbone 04-08-05 50
               RE: How many laws has Rob broken? MTommy 04-08-05 53
                   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-08-05 60
                       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? MTommy 04-08-05 62
                           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Wheezy 04-09-05 69
                               RE: How many laws has Rob broken? ExInterper 04-09-05 70
                                   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Wheezy 04-09-05 73
                                       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? ExInterper 04-09-05 76
                           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-10-05 80
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? RocketAudy 04-07-05 7
   LOL Breezy 04-07-05 12
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? bostonrobfan 04-07-05 16
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 32
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? RatPat 04-07-05 36
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? landruajm 04-07-05 8
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Wheezy 04-07-05 18
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Wheezy 04-07-05 19
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 33
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? tvgeek401 04-08-05 43
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? tvgeek401 04-07-05 35
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? PepeLePew13 04-10-05 84
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? waldo555 04-07-05 22
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? TerriBlue 04-07-05 29
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-07-05 34
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? kvasir79 04-07-05 38
 Legal Definitions iatovttotx78 04-08-05 42
   RE: Legal Definitions Spidey 04-08-05 44
       RE: Legal Definitions iatovttotx78 04-08-05 46
           RE: Legal Definitions ARnutz 04-08-05 52
               RE: Legal Definitions TerriBlue 04-08-05 55
                   RE: Legal Definitions nailbone 04-08-05 56
                   RE: Legal Definitions Spidey 04-08-05 57
                       RE: Legal Definitions iatovttotx78 04-08-05 58
       RE: Legal Definitions zipperhead 04-08-05 49
           RE: Legal Definitions Spidey 04-08-05 51
               RE: Legal Definitions bostonrobfan 04-08-05 59
               Hate is a strong word zipperhead 04-08-05 61
                   RE: Hate is a strong word landruajm 04-08-05 63
                       RE: Hate is a strong word zipperhead 04-10-05 81
                   RE: Hate is a strong word Dakota 04-08-05 64
                       RE: Hate is a strong word ARnutz 04-08-05 65
                   RE: Hate is a strong word Spidey 04-09-05 72
                       RE: Hate is a strong word Dakota 04-09-05 78
                           RE: Hate is a strong word zipperhead 04-10-05 79
 A partial list of Rob's crimes. Estee 04-08-05 45
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? cipher5150 04-08-05 54
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Ruthless 04-08-05 66
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? cipher5150 04-09-05 75
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? Dakota 04-09-05 67
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? TARugh 04-09-05 68
 RE: How many laws has Rob broken? RBA 04-09-05 71
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? ARnutz 04-09-05 74
       RE: How many laws has Rob broken? TARugh 04-10-05 82
           RE: How many laws has Rob broken? ARnutz 04-10-05 86
   RE: How many laws has Rob broken? zipperhead 04-10-05 83
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Cleveland Guy 153 desperate attention whore postings
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04-07-05, 02:08 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
>Yes, I know that many of
>you think that anything is
>fair in the pursuit of
>a million dollars. But
>after watching the recap, I
>thought it might be an
>interesting exercise to list the
>various laws that Rob has
>(apparently) broken. If you
>want to pick on other
>teams' lawlessness, feel free to
>start your own thread.
>
>
>Okay, so far, Rob has committed:
>
>
>Bribery - on several occassions.
>No, wait, I'm sure the
>producers just edited the conversations
>to make it sound like
>Rob was giving people money
>to help him or hinder
>the other teams.
>

1. He paid one person not to tell others, that didn't work out anyways

2. Other people have had hired help before - big deal

>Fraud - by convincing others to
>throw in their money for
>a bribe and then withholding
>his own money. No,
>no, I guess the others
>just should have known that
>Rob did not have to
>throw in his money since
>it was his idea to
>bribe the driver in South
>America.
>

IF the teams were that worried they should have offered to pay the guy themselves. Just cause he figured out a way to get an advantage and not use his own money isn't criminal

>Wreckless driving/endangerment of others - by
>switching lanes repeatedly and rapidly
>for the sake of getting
>Meredith to do the same.
> Well, it was probably
>the camera angle that made
>it look like Rob crossed
>back from an off-ramp back
>onto the highway.
>


I suppose there is no fault of Merideth to actually have a brain and try to figure out where to go on his own?


>Can anyone else think of anything
>that might stick to this
>weasel before his behavior successfully
>keeps someone else from winning?
>


I think he is playing the game, and you are looking for reasons to bash him.

Other players in other seasons have made similiar moves. I don't think any real laws were broken here, if the security guard wanted to, he should have said "He paid me $10 not to tell you, but if you pay me $15 I'll tell you anyways"

This team is thinking and having a good time, other teams are just lemmings following behind.

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04-07-05, 02:30 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
>1. He paid one person not
>to tell others, that didn't
>work out anyways

So you're not breaking the law if doesn't pay off - is that what you're saying?

>2. Other people have had hired
>help before - big deal

Oh, I'm sorry, how could I forget that once someone else has done something, it can no longer be considered against the law?

>Just cause he figured out
>a way to get an
>advantage and not use his
>own money isn't criminal

It would certainly be a good case for a civil suit.

>I suppose there is no fault
>of Merideth to actually have
>a brain and try to
>figure out where to go
>on his own?

I don't see how Meredith caused a car that is in front of him to swerve around to the point where even Amber repeatedly asks Rob to stop.

>I think he is playing the
>game, and you are looking
>for reasons to bash him.

Which is why I posted in the Bashers thread...with a title obviously against Rob. Don't like it? Don't read it.

And one final comment - breaking laws and criminal conduct should never EVER be excused as just part of a game for your entertainment. Would you just say that it is just part of the game were you to witness Ray smacking Deana because she wasn't working hard enough during a task? I think (hope) not.

I watch these shows because I want to see good things come from good people.

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04-07-05, 02:58 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
So you're not breaking the law if doesn't pay off - is that what you're saying?

What he "bribed" them to do is not illegal.

It would certainly be a good case for a civil suit.

Over $5? I don't think you can sue for that small an amount.

Driving crazy like he (and others) is doing isn't against the law.

Don't like it? Don't read it.

Whew! Chill. Aren't we allowed to disagree with your comments?


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04-07-05, 06:42 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Just trying to make the point that there is illegal behavior going on which people are absolutely condoning (and cheering!) for the sake of their entertainment.

By the way, driving like crazy on a public road with other vehicles nearby is most certainly against the law - maybe not in Texas, but everywhere else it would be.

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04-07-05, 10:11 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
>Driving crazy like he (and others)
>is doing isn't against the
>law.

Thank you. I'm going to forward this to the Cook County Sheriff's Department.
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04-07-05, 03:40 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
"I watch these shows because I want to see good things come from good people"

I think the Cosby show is still playing 24/7 on a cable TV station near you.

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04-07-05, 06:45 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Ya couldn't think of anything more contemporary than "Cosby"? What about "Scrubs"? "Desperate Housewives"? "Simpsons"?

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04-07-05, 09:32 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
I'm sure that there are things in Desperate Housewives that you don't condone.
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28. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
LAST EDITED ON 04-07-05 AT 07:06 PM (EST)

Yeah let's give Rob the death penalty. Geeeeeeeeeezz, how silly.

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4. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
What about leaving the scene of an accident when it's apparent that someone was injured? Other teams stopped or asked, not Rob and dopey Amber! And why were they allowed to contact the producers directly to get on the show and not apply like everyone else!
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04-07-05, 03:00 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
If other people are already there, especially of those people are medical personnel, it's not illegal to drive on past. People do it every day, and in fact, are TOLD to drive on by so as not to hinder the medical people. They weren't involved in the accident, so no responsibility to stop.

And if I understood correctly, the producers contacted Rob and Amber, not the other way around.


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14. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
<What about leaving the scene of an accident when it's apparent that someone was injured?>
They weren't involved in the accident. By your standards anyone that passes an acident on the highway without stopping is committing a crime. Also, it was Ray's idea to bribe the bus driver not to open the back doors, Rob just took advantage of the situation. The only time bribery is really illegal is when an officer of the law or public offical is involved. This type of thing goes on every day in the world. All the past racers have used these same tactics and it was fine, but because it's Rob, it's suddenly illegal. Face facts, no one wanted Rob and Amber on the race and because they are doing well, they are criminals.
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04-07-05, 06:53 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
First, Rob did bribe or participated in bribing more than one person. He's setting the standard in this Race. And it is illegal to bribe other people (example: bribing the owner of a business to get a contract).

Second, I would fire off at anyone who did so many things that would typically be frowned upon by your average law-enforcement dude. I have never nor would I ever condone such behavior. I certainly don't care for Rob, but I'm not picking on him because of that alone. On the other hand, I wonder how many would defend him so staunchly if he were not already a star in the reality-TV firmament.

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31. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
What about the teams in every past race that has told their taxi driver that they would pay them double or more to run red lights, go faster than the speed limit, etc. Again, it's only because it's Rob that's doing it, it shouldn't be allowed. I don't want them to win, but I'm so sick of everyone saying they cheated, when they have done no such thing.
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04-07-05, 09:35 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Yes, many teams in the past have bribed their cabs to speed ahead in order to pass another team. Even teams that do play a good, fair game have done that. I *think* Kris and Jon have done it and we still love them.
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77. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
I read the other posts and just wanted to make the following observation.

I think it's a widely known fact that in some south american countries it IS legal and mostly expected that companies or individuals have to bribe other companies or individuals to get things done. I know when I was in Barbados last year this was the case in some scenarios as our customers mentioned to me.


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5. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Well, I don't really know if he's broken any legal laws other than the traffic crimes. I don't know if bribing a security guard is against the law and I seriously doubt the other teams would hit him with a fraud charge over $5. So far, the only laws he's broken are reckless driving laws, and he's arguably not alone in that area. He's been behaving like a douchebag, but that is not illegal

I suppose there is no fault of Merideth to actually have a brain and try to figure out where to go on his own?

I have to take issue with that. Following or no, Rob could have gotten in a serious accident and yes, it would have been no fault of Meredith, because Rob was the one who chose to play a high speed game of chicken along the road. It's Meredith's responsibility to choose not to follow Rob and drive recklessly; it's Rob's responsibility not to drive recklessly in the first place. Even Amber noticed it - she ordered Rob to stop it and stop it now, or else

This team is a good team, but the other teams re far from lemmings. Tell that to Ron and Kelly, who smoked them in leg 5

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04-07-05, 04:56 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
So, by that logic, wouldn't everyone who has ever slipped a bill to the maitre'd be guilty of bribery? LOL

I guess Rob and Amber were guilty of jaywalking when they helped push the stalled van out of the way.

Please! Rob hasn't broken anymore laws than anyone else. I would guess that almost every team (possible exception is Meredith and Gretchen) has at least been guilty of speeding.

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17. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
I think U&J are following the speed limits also, cuz they are ALWAYS getting passed by someone.


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20. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
LAST EDITED ON 04-07-05 AT 05:58 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-07-05 AT 05:55 PM (EST)

OK, I had a post here in reply to bostonrobfan, because the formatting made it look like the post was addressed to me. However, looking at the thread at the top, it looks like it was not me after all, so I'm taking it out. I feel so ignored! *cries*

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21. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
LAST EDITED ON 04-07-05 AT 05:59 PM (EST)


P.S Nailbone, this is not for you. That's just how the board formatted my reply

Similarly, bostonrobfan's post you're referring to isn't replying to you, but to a post above.



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27. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Judging from the edit time, it looks like you posted this just as I posted my edited reply. Funny!
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47. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Judging from the edit time, it looks like you posted this just as I posted my edited reply. Funny!

That's why I always include what I'm replying to, so there's no confusion.

And I'd never ignore you.


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26. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Yeah! Good one! JAYWALKING!!! God, how I hate jaywalkers. Man, my dander is really up now!! That Rob is going to Hell for sure!
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3. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
As far as bribery goes, I'm not sure there's not a team that hasn't committed this. A bribe doesn't have to be monetary. A bribe is something that serves to induce or influence. Gretchen talked about the younger women using their cleavage when all the teams were begging for extra money.

As far a fraud goes, did Rob get the bus driver to agree to $15 and then proceed to go collect the $15 saying that he needed $20 or did Rob go to the teams in front with his plan, collect the $15 and then talk the driver into taking $15? The latter is not fraud but just good negotiating.

BTW, I find it ironic that you're bashing Rob for defrauding teams that are committing bribery.

Now Rob is responsible for the actions of others? Meredith is a grown man and is more than capable of being held accountable for his own actions. If Meredith is willing to drive recklessly to try and follow Rob and Amber, why are we not questioning Meredith's judgement? Do teams like other teams following them? NO. Is Meredith as likely to follow Rob next time? I doubt it. Mission accomplished.

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13. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
BTW, I find it ironic that you're bashing Rob for defrauding teams that are committing bribery.

LOL!

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6. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Are you serious? Not to bash you, but how absolutely void of excitement is your life? Anyway here's some more...

1) You forgot to mention speeding, he must have been speeding!

2) I think he J-walked too, that's another easy one you missed.

3) I'm sure he wasn't seat belted once.


There are three more to add to the list. This guy is a criminal!!!

Sorry, I just felt like I had to point out that this thread is baseless. (Well baseless other than what is founded in the genuine dislike of another human being.)

I'm just a guy who calls it like I see it.

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30. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Actually, every point you raise is exactly what I was calling for. Criminal behavior all day long by some people! I can't stands it!

"...how absolutely void of excitement" is my life?
I dunno, I'm chattin' with you aren't I? That must be worth something.

Seriously, the thread must not be too baseless if so many feel the need to come out in defense of a guy who clearly does not care what happens to other people and uses them even when there is no need to do it. How many people have been eliminated by his scheming? Methinks none. As I have said elsewhere, though, just because you're not successful does not mean that what you're doing isn't wrong.

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37. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Under your standard 99.9% of people are criminal, I certainly should have been given capital punishment years ago. As you have clarified, you really do think what he is doing is criminal. So what do you do with your time? In order to not do anything "criminal" you can't have a very exciting life can you? Otherwise it is very, very hypocritical of you to point out someone else’s faults. That was the point I tried to make by asking "how absolutely void of excitement is your life?" I was not speaking on making a post at the boards because I like to kill time at work too.

The remarks about breaking laws are baseless when applied to the actual standard of law. Just wondering, have you ever been to South Africa or South America? Do you know for a fact that his actions would meet the local standard of "criminal" in these locations? They would not be in Egypt, Sudan, southern Mexico, or Guatemala Look, I'm not defending actions in so much as I'm telling you that your analysis is just plain wrong. (By default I have to take a contrary position when debating, only in this limited respect am I offering a defense. Certainly you can question the merit of his actions; had you done that, you would have seen no response from me because that’s purely opinion.) However, he has not done anything punishable by any applicable local laws. And this is exactly what most people are telling you if you read the majority of the posts.

Later Yo!

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48. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
It's not like I'm walkin' around with a stick up my butt. Trust me, there are LOTS of ways to have fun that are perfectly legal. Are you a sports fan? Play cards with the guys (or gals)? Do you ever go camping/hiking/canoing/skiing? Do you sit around with kids at your home and try to teach them things or just play around? All fun, all legal.

My empty life aside, I started this post with the simple intent to show that Rob is doing more than your average Racer when it comes to questionable and/or illegal behavior. Even if you disagree with the legalities, or whether or not they are punishable, I think my point has been made.

See ya later, tater

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50. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
I started this post with the simple intent to show that Rob is doing more than your average Racer when it comes to questionable and/or illegal behavior. Even if you disagree with the legalities, or whether or not they are punishable, I think my point has been made.

And see, I disagree. I think the point that has been made is that Rob is no worse than other racers in this or other TAR season in this regard.


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53. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
"I started this post with the simple intent to show that Rob is doing more than your average Racer when it comes to questionable and/or illegal behavior. Even if you disagree with the legalities, or whether or not they are punishable, I think my point has been made."

The average racer does not make it to the final five either. Cause and Effect? Possibly but I can't say with any certainty either way.

With all due respect, your point has not been made; it's been blown up and destroyed by almost all of the other posters. The actual title of your post (in most cases the point) calls into question the legality of Rob's actions. In response to this point and your examples of fault (yes answers), it has been effectively argued that the answer to the question “How many laws has Rob Broken?" is actually NONE. To me, this is directly contrary to your initial assertions.

Now if, as you say, your point was not really to examine Rob's actions on a legal basis (but rather to examine the merit/results of "doing more than your average Racer when it comes to questionable and/or illegal behavior"), then at best the spirit of the initial remark was misinterpreted by myself and the others who read it. And at worst, it was irresponsible on your part and you should be sued by Rob for libel and/or slander. Fortunately for you and if the latter was the case, these are normally civil matters. So you are still not guilty of any criminal acts and you may continue with your baseless legal accusations having a clean record

Was my point made?

Peace

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60. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"

>With all due respect, your point
>has not been made; it's
>been blown up and destroyed
>by almost all of the
>other posters.

I haven't taken a survey, but I do think that most of the people who have responded do agree that Rob has done more than the average Racer when it comes to sneaky, pseudo-legal, just-within-the-rules-of-the-game behavior - in fact, most Rob fans use the very argument on this thread and others that it is because he is doing so many things that they enjoy watching him.


>The actual
>title of your post (in
>most cases the point) calls
>into question the legality of
>Rob's actions.

I know. The title of my post was a rhetorical question. If anyone thinks that I was really trying to bring up charges against Rob, they are mistaken and they totally missed the snarkiness of that initial post.


>In response
>to this point and your
>examples of fault (yes answers),
>it has been effectively argued
>that the answer to the
>question “How many laws has
>Rob Broken?" is actually NONE.
> To me, this is
>directly contrary to your initial
>assertions.

Fine; you can look at it however you want. But like I said it was just a rhetorical question and I am amused by the number of people who are spending so much time trying to prove that Rob did not break any laws.


>Now if, as you say, your
>point was not really to
>examine Rob's actions on a
>legal basis (but rather to
>examine the merit/results of "doing
>more than your average Racer
>when it comes to questionable
>and/or illegal behavior"), then at
>best the spirit of the
>initial remark was misinterpreted by
>myself and the others who
>read it.

Bingo. Sorry about that - I suppose I should have been more obvious in my initial post that I did not really think anyone was going to come up with the specific laws that any Racer was breaking.

>And at
>worst, it was irresponsible on
>your part and you should
>be sued by Rob for
>libel and/or slander. Fortunately
>for you and if the
>latter was the case, these
>are normally civil matters.

Wow. Suggesting that Rob should sue me for asking a rhetorical question on a BASHERS thread. You must reeaally love the Boston kid.

>So you are still not
>guilty of any criminal acts
>and you may continue with
>your baseless legal accusations having
>a clean record

Great, I intent to do just that.


>Was my point made?

Umm, so you think Rob is guilty, too?

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62. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Reply:

1a) "The title of my post was a rhetorical question. If anyone thinks that I was really trying to bring up charges against Rob, they are mistaken and they totally missed the snarkiness of that initial post."
However by specifically typing "many of you think that anything is fair in the pursuit of a million dollars. But after watching the recap, I thought it might be an interesting exercise to list the various laws that Rob has (apparently) broken" to start this whole thing off,...

You’re clearly talking directly about illegal vs legal (apparently). And rhetorical or not, you answered yes and posted it (obviously asking others the question and evoking discussion), discussion in which many are telling you the answer is no. This is your initial post hence the discussion on the topic.


1b) "Bingo. Sorry about that - I suppose I should have been more obvious in my initial post that I did not really think anyone was going to come up with the specific laws that any Racer was breaking."

You basically contradict yourself – You listed 3 offenses yourself???

2) “I haven't taken a survey,”

Counting:

For You: BigGuy2her, TerriBlue, Wheezy

Against You: Cleveland Guy, nailbone, Dakota, trudy, Jealousy, sharonk52, packrat, bostonrobfan, RatPat, dragonflies, RocketAudy, Breezy, landruajm, tvgeek401, waldo555, kvasir79, iatovttotx78, Spidey, ARnutz, Estee, cipher5150

(Now if I put anyone in the wrong category I apologize, I only have words and some context; not your truly intended tone and inflection of voice.)

3) "Fine; you can look at it however you want. But like I said it was just a rhetorical question and I am amused by the number of people who are spending so much time trying to prove that Rob did not break any laws."

Honestly, some people (like myself) do enjoy pointing out the faults in the thinking and reasoning of others. You started the thread under the premis Rob is bad, he thinks he’s so smart but it’s not working.
It's a debate. I have to assume this is why you started the thread. Did you expect to solict no responce and leave people pondering your profound thought to themselves?
Or did you expect everyone to tell you how right you are? If you did I'm sorry because it turned out that many actually disagreed with you.

4) "Wow. Suggesting that Rob should sue me for asking a rhetorical question on a BASHERS thread. You must reeaally love the Boston kid."

See the smiley face. Dispelling a ridiculous post will happen in any forum. Rob is nobody to me.


5) "Umm, so you think Rob is guilty, too?"

This thread is baseless = my first brief post. Deep down you now know it too; (though I doubt you will admit it.) Why don't you just let it go? Your initial premise was based on legality (take an honest look at your first post) and now you're trying to back peddle by saying it was not. You lost on this one.

As far as being blind further down the thread, please continue to defend yourself. I'd hate for the DOT to take away your driving privileges because someone accused you of being blind.


It’s been fun… so until I need to tell you how wrong you are next time, all the best.

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69. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"

dood, you totally put me in the wrong column. I'm horribly offended.


This thread is baseless = my first brief post. Deep down you now know it too; (though I doubt you will admit it.) Why don't you just let it go? Your initial premise was based on legality (take an honest look at your first post) and now you're trying to back peddle by saying it was not. You lost on this one.



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70. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Let me guess...first year in law school?

You know what's funny? I was reading this and had pretty much the same thought. Heh.

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Mmmm...blog.... This of course coming from a law student 44 days from graduation, so it's not like I'm that far removed from it myself.

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73. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"

Spoken like a man who's been there.

Go Romber!


What. Are you looking at.

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76. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
LAST EDITED ON 04-09-05 AT 03:57 PM (EST)

Been there, written the book, and probably annoyed friends and family along the way.

I got better though. Really.

And yes: Go Romber! And Uchenna and Joyce too: they are awesome as well.

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80. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
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>And
>rhetorical or not, you answered
>yes and posted it (obviously
>asking others the question and
>evoking discussion), discussion in which
>many are telling you the
>answer is no. This
>is your initial post hence
>the discussion on the topic.

From Merriam-Webster (emphasis added by zipperhead):
rhe·tor·i·cal
1 a : of, relating to, or concerned with rhetoric b : employed for rhetorical effect; especially : asked merely for effect with no answer expected <a rhetorical question>

I did not expect anyone to answer the question, but I did expect to receive responses to my post. Thus, the question is rhetorical, but my post was not. My post was to have people discuss Rob's behavior - and I have succeeded.


>
>1b) "Bingo. Sorry about that -
>I suppose I should have
>been more obvious in my
>initial post that I did
>not really think anyone was
>going to come up with
>the specific laws that any
>Racer was breaking."
>
>You basically contradict yourself – You
>listed 3 offenses yourself???

As you say, I listed three (potential) offenses, but I did not cite any laws that were broken. So I stand by what I said - I did not think anyone would actually come up with a list of laws that were broken. And no one has. I'm right again.

>2) “I haven't taken a survey,”
>
>Counting:
>
>For You: BigGuy2her, TerriBlue, Wheezy
>
>Against You: Cleveland Guy, nailbone, Dakota,
>trudy, Jealousy, sharonk52, packrat, bostonrobfan,
>RatPat, dragonflies, RocketAudy, Breezy, landruajm,
>tvgeek401, waldo555, kvasir79, iatovttotx78, Spidey,
>ARnutz, Estee, cipher5150
>


And I thought I was spending too much time on this topic!


>Honestly, some people (like myself) do
>enjoy pointing out the faults
>in the thinking and reasoning
>of others.

Whatever gets you throught the night, friend.


>You started
>the thread under the premis
>Rob is bad, he thinks
>he’s so smart
but it’s
>not working.

"Bad" is 1) a completely relative term and 2) one which I do not recall using until now in this thread. No matter how many people disagree with my assesment, I can still say someone is "bad" or point out behavior which I think is bad, and I would still be correct, based on my definition of what constitutes "bad" in my frame of moral references.


>It's a debate. I have
>to assume this is why
>you started the thread.

Actually, I just wanted to give Rob fans something to do for a while. I'm nice like that - always thinking of others.


>Did you expect to solict
>no responce and leave people
>pondering your profound thought to
>themselves?

If I wanted people to ponder my most profound thoughts, I would not be posting here!


>Or did you expect everyone to
>tell you how right you
>are?

Yes, that would make me feel so much better. And it would be cheaper than the pills that the doctor has been giving me. The little blue ones that make me tired.


>This thread is baseless

And yet you keep coming back. How nice.


>Why
>don't you just let it
>go?

Ditto. Oh yeah, I forgot about your debating fetish. I can keep this going for a while if you want.


>Your initial premise
>was based on legality (take
>an honest look at your
>first post) and now you're
>trying to back peddle by
>saying it was not.

Cause my inital premise was really based on my personal opinion of Rob the Racer - not actual legalities.


>You lost on this one.

Nope. Don't think so. You were looking for a legal debate or somesuch when I just wanted people to say either "Rob sucks" or "Rob's the greatest". I think I did pretty well.


>It’s been fun… so until I
>need to tell you how
>wrong you are next time,
>all the best.

Right back atcha, slick.

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7. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Good lord, you're right! Rob needs to be arrested! And once he's been safely put away, we need to stamp out all the other crimes going on right in front of our eyes.

Any baseball pitcher who intentionally throws at a batter should be arrested for assault with a deadly weapon.

Not to mention the rampant assault and battery going on during every hockey and football game.

Have you seen all the reckless driving that goes on in NASCAR?!?!

Oh wait a minute... IT'S A GAME!

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Not to mention the pitcher tends to adjust his package every two minutes while on the mound. Lude conduct, right there on our TV's. *gasp*


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16. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Omigosh! What about all those NASCAR drivers that drive right on by when there is a wreck? Oh, the humanity!
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32. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Yeah, I love this "It's a Game" excuse. Laws don't exist in Reality TV world, right? But what if your hometown is the final pitstop for the cool million and Rob cuts you right off of the highway because he is trying to win. Would you think it is just a game, then?

Furthermore, in baseball and in hockey there are PENALTIES for breaking the rules. Serious injuries have resulted in lawsuits, also. I can't explain NASCAR. I think it is the most useless form of "entertainment" this side of paint drying.

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36. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
True, there are penalties for breaking the rules "within the game" of baseball and hockey.

The key point is, these penalties aren't meted out based upon the opinions of the spectators.

The rules are set out in advance and the participants are judged based upon those predetermined rules.

And this isn't a game. It's a competition. It's as close to real life as Martha Stewart is to real nice.

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8. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
If you want to pick on other teams' lawlessness, feel free to start your own thread.

I feel free to start my own thread about anything. Or to post whatever I want, within the guidelines, on this one.

Bribery: In a criminal sense? How? Who's he bribing that it's illegal to bribe?

Fraud: He didn't take their money--he gave it to the bus driver--and they got something of value for their money. Not even close to the legal elements for fraud.

Reckless Driving/Endangerment: Joke, right? Was it Rob who flipped a LandRover by driving it too aggressively down a dirt track? I mean, teams that don't drive pretty aggressively lose, and may as well have stayed home, unless I'm missing something crucial, like maybe the point of the game is to travel at a deliberate and safe pace around the globe, dealing out occasional hugs to Dr. Phil or precious children with big eyes.

before his behavior successfully keeps someone else from winning

Uhm...that'd be his job, as it is every other contestants', to behave in such a manner as to win, thereby keeping someone else from winning.

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18. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"

I disagree with you 150%, 'dru.


Not really. I'm just hot and cranky. You missed this 95 degree weather by a week, dood.

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19. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"

Hi there. How'd you get your name, Zipperhead?


I prefer watching Gretchen and Meridith allow a taxi driver to take them somewhere and then tell him they don't have any money to pay him.

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33. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Long time ago...drinkin' with a buddy...tattoo...'nuff said.
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43. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Ya know, I've always wished for a story that could end in "'nuff said."

About this whole law breaking thing, the laws that he has broken (speeding, etc. and I'm not including bribery or fraud for obvious reasons...crimes not committed.) aren't laws that'll send anyone to prison. I mean, how many of us can say we've never sped before? Not many.

I just take what he's done as part of the race.

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35. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Good thing his name isn't Zippermouth. Lying about things like keeping the mouth zipped is a serious offense where I'm from. Almost as bad as that jay-walking Romber has been doing.


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84. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
> I prefer watching Gretchen and Meridith allow a taxi
>driver to take them somewhere and then tell him they
>don't have any money to pay him.

Eggszactly, Wheezus... why is there no outrage against Gretchen and Meredith fleecing a cabbie -- which is certainly more illegal than a wink-nudge-wink deal to bribe a security guard to not tell anyone, especially if you KNEW going into the cab that you didn't have enough money -- but there's far more outrage over Romber who's just been doing what it takes to win a game?

I said it on another board... there's a big double standard going on. People are too quick to jump on Romber over the tiniest things, but overlook it when others such as Gretchen/Meredith fleece a cabbie or Brian/Greg put their cameraman/soundman in danger by recklessly driving so fast that they swerved and flipped over.

The point is? Let it go about all the little illegal-or-maybe-not-quite-so-illegal things and just enjoy the freakin' show. You watch TAR because you obviously like the show so just grab a bowl of popcorn or duck eggs and enjoy it.



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22. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"

Its NOT illegal to pay a busdriver not to open a bus door. Bribery is giving money to elected officials or judges or a person like that. Giving money to a bus driver/slipping a few bucks to a security guard isn't going to get anyone arrested. As reckless as Rob's driving was Brain and Greg should get the electric chair for nearly killing their camera guy.
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29. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
The camera guy had a couple of bruised discs and a neck pain. Not exactly something to send someone to the chair over. Brian and Greg probably ran into a trouble spot, because if you listen to the audio during the accident, you hear Brian telling Greg to keep the car on the road and Greg replying that he's trying, but he's having a hard time maintaining traction because of the sand. Finally, even in the most extreme caes, like vehicular homicide and hit and runs, the death penalty is not used.

I find it hilarious when Rob and Amber are excused for something, then and other teams that have equal or less offenses are smacked down by the same people, for the same, or lesser crimes

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34. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Actually, as much as I liked them, I do think that the camera guy would have a case against the brothers, if it weren't for that pesky release of liability paper he undoubtedly signed with the network.
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38. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
I wish one day one of the teams would get a speeding ticket or get pulled over by the police. Or someone getting detained at the border for customs/passport matter. THAT would be good television. And that would teach these (ugly-american) contestants to respect the countries they are visiting.

Maybe it had happened in previous seasons, *shrugs* i've only started watching the show this season.

Otherwise, i don't really think there's any REAL law broken here other than reckless driving we have seen in most of the teams. OOo don't forget the rigged scale at the Chilean market! It's easy to scam ppl with fish, you can stuff the fish with ice and make it heavier than it is etc.

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42. "Legal Definitions "

Bribery- n. the crime of giving or taking money or some other valuable item in order to influence a public official (any governmental employee) in the performance of his/her duties. Bribery includes paying to get government contracts (cutting in the roads commissioner for a secret percentage of the profit), giving a bottle of liquor to a building inspector to ignore a violation or grant a permit, or selling stock to a Congressman at a cut-rate price. Example: Governor (later Vice President) Spiro T. Agnew received five cents from the concessionaire for each pack of cigarettes sold in the Maryland capitol building. The definition has been expanded to include bribes given to corporate officials to obtain contracts or other advantages which are against company policy.

<Comments: Romber did not pay off a government offical or employee

Fraud- n. the intentional use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means to deprive another of his/her/its money, property or a legal right.

<Comments: Teams do not have a legal right to information

RECKLESS Endangerment- n. operation of an automobile in a dangerous manner under the circumstances, including speeding (or going too fast for the conditions, even though within the posted speed limit), driving after drinking (but not drunk), having too many passengers in the car, cutting in and out of traffic, failing to yield to other vehicles and other negligent acts. It is a misdemeanor crime. A "wet reckless" is a plea in a drunk driving prosecution allowed to lessen the penalty when the blood alcohol level is close to the legal limit.

<Yeah, they probably speed from time to time.... big Bad Romber

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44. "RE: Legal Definitions "
You wait. That bus diver will be called out by someone as a government employee and we'll have a raging debate over whether or not he is one - regardless of the fact that the whole issue is frellin ridiculous in the first place.

He's a criminal? Pfft. I am sure most of the haters are really disappointed he is so nice and supportive to Amber. It makes the whole "he's a horrible human being" argument a little hollow.

He's obviously the devil incanate to some people and no amout of logic, common sense or evidence of his good nature will change that.



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46. "RE: Legal Definitions "
I'm afraid you might me right, the rabid ROMBER haters don't respond well to logic or common sense.

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52. "RE: Legal Definitions "
Well, I gues I'm an exception. I don't like him, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a criminal. That would just be silly.


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55. "RE: Legal Definitions "
No, you're not, I counted at least 3 Romber haters that spoke up in his defense in this thread. I sometimes wonder if the minute anyone says "I don't like Romber" the rest of the post is automatically ignored. Sort of like Bart Simpson's dog: "blah, blah, blah, blah, dislike Romber, blah, blah, Rob"
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56. "RE: Legal Definitions "
Sort of like Bart Simpson's dog: "blah, blah, blah, blah, dislike Romber, blah, blah, Rob"

Or Paula Abdul...


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57. "RE: Legal Definitions "
I said some haters, Tim said "rabid" haters.

Where does anyone get from this that we are lumping all Rob-haters together?

There are good reasons for some people not to like ANY of these contestants. Personal preferences and all that.

I don't think everyone who dislikes Romber is spewing their hate utter baseless abandon, but there are indeed some and you need go no further than this thread to see it.




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58. "RE: Legal Definitions "
I was just going to make that same point. Most Romber haters are excluded from my comment. There do seem to be a few (the rabid) one's that fit what I said, but by no means was I refering to everyone who dislikes Romber.

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49. "RE: Legal Definitions "

>I am sure most of
>the haters are really disappointed
>he is so nice and
>supportive to Amber. It
>makes the whole "he's a
>horrible human being" argument a
>little hollow.


I'm quite happy to see Rob get along with his fiance. Wish more people would behave the same in moments of stress.

>He's obviously the devil incanate to
>some people and no amout
>of logic, common sense or
>evidence of his good nature
>will change that.


Evidence of his good nature? When will I be seeing that? I'll have to tape it so I can review and look for the smallest thing to pick on. No, really - good nature? Not amused nature, or fun-loving rascal nature, or "I'm marryin' a hottie with a million bucks so I have nothin' to lose" nature, but actual good nature from Rob? You've seen this? Who was he good to, besides Amber? Either I missed that brief moment, or the unholy producers have covered them all up so that I would have someone to root against in their morality play.

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51. "RE: Legal Definitions "
You obviously have been so fixated on hating him you didn't notice, but Rob has been nice to just about every local he's encountered on this race. And I have never seen or heard of a single instance when he has done something "not nice" outside the context of competition. (Which of course I am sure he has done, but that just makes him hunam like the rest of us) He is always commenting on how grateful he is to have been born with the luck he has. And he is kind, supportive and encouraging to his fiancee/teammate.

*I* see a heckuvalot of "good nature" there. But I suppose it's more difficult for those blinded by hatred.




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59. "RE: Legal Definitions "
>You obviously have been so fixated
>on hating him you didn't
>notice, but Rob has been
>nice to just about every
>local he's encountered on this
>race. And I have
>never seen or heard of
>a single instance when he
>has done something "not nice"
>outside the context of competition.
> (Which of course I
>am sure he has done,
>but that just makes him
>hunam like the rest of
>us) He is always
>commenting on how grateful he
>is to have been born
>with the luck he has.
> And he is kind,
>supportive and encouraging to his
>fiancee/teammate.
>
>*I* see a heckuvalot of "good
>nature" there. But I
>suppose it's more difficult for
>those blinded by hatred.
>
>

Excellent post! ITA. I haven't seen Rob get 'hated on' by a whole country yet (Hello Lynn!). I have seen him help fix a man's truck, give a boat pilot his beloved Red Sox cap, and help push a stalled van out of traffic. I've seen lots of good nature shown by Rob.


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61. "Hate is a strong word"
>You obviously have been so fixated
>on hating him


Why do you hafta say that I hate Rob? Did I curse him or his heritage? Did I make fun of his regional accent? Did I SAY " I hate Rob" like others have said? Or did I just ask a rhetorical question followed by a post that was fairly tongue-in-cheek?

>you didn't
>notice, but Rob has been
>nice to just about every
>local he's encountered on this
>race. And I have
>never seen or heard of
>a single instance when he
>has done something "not nice"
>outside the context of competition.

Just a technicality here, but just because someone does not do something "not nice" doesn't mean that they are doing nice things, i.e. being a good person, as you suggested he was.


>He is always
>commenting on how grateful he
>is to have been born
>with the luck he has.

Again, saying that you are lucky does not necessarily mean that you are nice.


> And he is kind,
>supportive and encouraging to his
>fiancee/teammate.

And I have conceded that as a good trait for Rob or anyone.

>*I* see a heckuvalot of "good
>nature" there. But I
>suppose it's more difficult for
>those blinded by hatred.

The funny thing is, although I am not blinded by hatred, I think there are people who are blinded by their unquestioning support of someone that they have never met and could not possibly define adequately. Again, the point I was making was based on observation. The point you seem to be making is based on the absence of evidence to the contrary (excepting his good treatment of Amber).


Sheesh, you try to poke a little at one Desperate-Attenion-Whore and his millionaire wife and you get smack comin' at you left, right and center.

Unless you know Rob personally, you might want to relax a little. Me poking at him does you no harm. You saying that I am blinded by hate puts me off a little.

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63. "RE: Hate is a strong word"
Sheesh, you try to poke a little at one Desperate-Attenion-Whore

They're Media Whores. We're Desperate Attention Whores.

Unless you know Rob personally

There are trusted and respected people in this community who do. Who we gonna go with, people we trust and respect, or people (and I'm really not generalizing this to you at all) who come in and whimper about how there's such a thing as "cheating" on a TV show, or that anything about the opportunity to "race" for a million dollars is "unfair"?

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81. "RE: Hate is a strong word"
>They're Media Whores. We're Desperate
>Attention Whores.

Thanks for clearin' that up.


>Unless you know Rob personally
>
>There are trusted and respected people
>in this community who do.

Didn't know that. Do we have old friends of his here, or just people who met him after they became fans of his? 'Cause that would make a huge difference on how you 'know' him or how he comes across in a conversation.

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64. "RE: Hate is a strong word"
>The funny thing is, although I
>am not blinded by hatred,
>I think there are people
>who are blinded by their
>unquestioning support of someone that
>they have never met and
>could not possibly define adequately.

I have been surprised that so many get angry at criticism of Rob. Bashing of Reality TV contestants is about viewers' personal feelings and criticism is often exaggerated. I remember thinking people were too harsh with Amber during Survivor Australia--I think she was frequently called dumb dumber and dumbest in a variety of ways. Don't know what it is about Rob, but reading these threads, I feel like I need videotaped evidence and signed affidavits to support what I say about him and even then, there will be those who get angry if it's negative. There's a lot to like about Rob. But I don't like arrogant-backstabbing-con artists-who-are-proud-of-it and Rob is certainly that IMO. And as for the death penalty for him, I'm opposed to it--it would leave Amber without a job.
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65. "RE: Hate is a strong word"
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Very well said Dakota! I agree.

I'm tired of all the criticism too. It's fruitless really, because it's not as if you will convince someone to change their feelings about these people!


But I don't like arrogant-backstabbing-con artists-who-are-proud-of-it and Rob is certainly that IMO.

Exactly! I don't like those kind of people either. Oh and I also hate quitters!

... and smug people.



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72. "RE: Hate is a strong word"
LAST EDITED ON 04-09-05 AT 02:18 PM (EST)

Why do you hafta say that I hate Rob?

I don't "hafta" say anything. I choose to say "hate" because that is the impression I got by your initial post attempting to establish Rob's criminality and then by your assertion that there is zero evidence of Rob's good nature.

Just a technicality here, but just because someone does not do something "not nice" doesn't mean that they are doing nice things, i.e. being a good person, as you suggested he was.

But I specifically pointed out that Rob was nice/kind to the locals. Others have mentioned he gave away his Bosox hat, he appears to tip well, and I haven't heard word one out of his mouth that has disrespected any country they've been in. If he were doing "not nice" things on the race (other than to the other racers) dontcha think we'd see it? When have they spared ugly american racers their humiliation?

He's appreciative of his luck. Perhaps that doesn't necessarily mean he has a good nature, but he's clearly not delusional about his "talents" like, say, Jonathan.

Again, the point I was making was based on observation.

As is mine. I see him racing hard and fierce, being a great teammate and a better ambassador for our country than several of the other racers.

The funny thing is, although I am not blinded by hatred, I think there are people who are blinded by their unquestioning support of someone that they have never met and could not possibly define adequately.

Yeah, I like Rob. But if he pulled a Jonathan at any point, my support for him would plumment. I get the impression that Rob could cure the blind and deaf and he'd still be a scumbag in some people's eyes. If you're not one of them, fine. Your opinions expressed here made me think otherwise. Whatever.

Unless you know Rob personally, you might want to relax a little.

Me relax? Because I disagree with you I need to relax? Dood, I'm not the one who started a thread about my outrage at the "criminal" behavior of a reality tv contestant you don't even know. Just sayin'. Plus I echo what landru said about knowing posters here who HAVE met and spoken with him.




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78. "RE: Hate is a strong word"
Whew! I re-read Z's initial post. Because he's new, I don't know how serious he was. Reading his later posts, I don't believe he was trying to paint an orange prison jumpsuit on Rob. In fact, I was thinking he should have started this thread as a TTL of high crimes, if his intent was more sarcasm about a contestant he doesn't like. (I, personally, would sentence Rob to a week with Toni, just to see which reality tv rescidivist (sp?) would come out on top. (I'd put my money on Rob.)
I do like that Rob treats locals like they're equal, not inferior, to Americans. It's inexcusable that other racers have been so obnoxious. He's good to Amber, he's smart, fit, and he can be very charming and friendly. Rob plays hard, he plays to win, he also plays "dirty", and he's not alone. To me, some of the things he does is the equivalent of cheating on line calls at the tennis club or shaving points off your golf score. In addition, some of what he and others do is more like a flagrant foul in basketball or sacking the quarterback after he throws the pass. Now I don't hate Rob like he was John Wayne Gacy or Saddam Hussein, but as reality tv personalities go, I love to hate the guy. I can't speak for Z, but wanted to give a different perspective on a rather heated debate. As a long-time Survivor Basher, if I had started this thread, I would have quoted the local law, statute number included, against making shady deals with bus terminal employees. And then there's that law in Africa against insulting women over the age of 50, as well as the newly passed regulations for taxis, and Rob would be in the cell next to M/G cause they couldn't pay their fare. While there are some serious issues being discussed here, such as reckless driving, I don't know what Z's intention was in starting this thread, but his statements were taken very seriously by some, and that's been the tone of this thread. As Mark Burnett says about reality shows, "It's all about the people." That's what makes it fun.
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79. "RE: Hate is a strong word"
Thanks for looking back on what I said originally and the way I said it. I thought it was written fairly obviously as tongue-in-cheek - didn't anyone notice the little "outs" I gave for each "crime"? And I even said laws that he had (APPARENTLY) broken. It's not like I'm up on a witness stand saying these things.

I have lurked through these threads for a couple of seasons, but mostly for spoiler information and general comments on the races. I had no idea that support for a contestant could get so..uh...energetic.

I will careully parse every nuance of every sentence before I bash the next player who comes off lookin' like a less-than-honorable person to me.

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45. "A partial list of Rob's crimes."
Assault. He has made physical contact with humans before acquiring their express written or spoken permission for each occurrence.

Infliction Of Emotional Distress. He gave a Red Sox cap to a man. He made that person into a Red Sox fan and subjected them to all the deep suffering that comes from being connected with that franchise. And yes, this crime may not apply right now, but wait, just wait...

Disturbing The Peace. How could all those hospital patients get any rest when their doctors were crowing around Rob, looking for autographs?

Rape. Of English. 'Aard-va-dark', anyone?

Environmental Destruction. He's been walking on grass. The grass has been injured. How dare he?!

Terrorism. See all the terrified reactions to Rob on this board for details.

Murder. Rob has eaten meat. In fact, he almost ate a lot of meat. Living things died to feed Rob! And his body is destroying innocent bacteria right now!

Clearly, he should be put to death immediately. And if we apply these fair and reasonable standards to the rest of the species, so should all of us. But at least we've been balanced about it, right?

(Veggies: I don't want to hear a word. You're breathing and massacring billions of innocent germs.)

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54. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
If I remember correctly Rob used his turn signals when switching lanes back and forth except for the last switch when he got off the ramp back onto the highway. His movements where timed and controlled and not what I would consider reckless. It was Meredith that had to swerve back quickly. This makes Rob a jerk – not a criminal. How many people did Meredith “endanger” when he couldn’t remember to drive on the left side of the road?

If anything, it seems to me that players have more driving restrictions on them during the race than they do in real life. In real life if you speed you may or may not get caught and get a ticket. In TAR if you speed you may not get off this easily. You should be aware that there are often speed and other driving related restrictions that we simply don’t hear about. In the past, players that have violated speed restrictions have received time penalties.

In the last episode you can clearly hear someone remark (can’t remember who) that it was ok to pass U/J as they were not going 120km (roughly 75 mph). I don’t think it is a stretch to take this to mean that either there was a 120 km speed limit imposed on the racers on that leg or that they were required to follow whatever the local speed limit was.

As to the rest of your charges…what landruajm said.

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66. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
120km per hour is pretty fast. In Australia, the usual top limit is 100, with 110 on some of the better freeways/highways. I'm not sure I would like to drive at 120km per hour, in a strange car, on the "other" side of the road.

My understanding is the racers have to abide by the local road laws, including speed limits. Wasn't it in Namibia in TAR2 where there were penalties given for exceeding the speed limit after dusk?

I haven't seen the Rob and Meredith driving incident, but if Rob was only doing it as a joke because Meredith was following him, then he is a big idjit. If Meredith was following him and driving just as recklessly, then Meredith is as big an idjit as Rob. There are rules in Australia about changing lanes without giving sufficient warning to following drivers. Maybe they didn't get caught and fined by the local police, but that still doesn't excuse irresponsible reckless driving.

How many times have you seen an idjit driver and were annoyed that there were no cops around to pull them up? I bet the locals on the road were thinking the same thing - there's never a cop around when you want one.

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75. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
"120km per hour is pretty fast"

--Not where I live. The highways near me are mostly 65 or 70 mph (and if you only go that speed you will get run over). And there are gazillions (that's the technical term) of places with higher speed limits, and even no speed limits, around the world. It wasn't clear if 120km was the posted speed limit where they were or something imposed by the producers. But I agree, I would not drive that fast on an unfamiliar road - but then again, I'm not racing for a million dollars.


"Wasn't it in Namibia in TAR2 where there were penalties given for exceeding the speed limit after dusk?"

--Actually I think this was a different event. I believe there were two teams that got a time penalty for speeding (during the day?) and then there was something else that happened with regards to dusk - I can't remember what it was exactly - it may have been that they had to stop driving by a certain point in the evening or had to have a local driver or something like that. I remember it was because it wasn't safe for them to drive at night - even though this wasn't a local law as far as I could tell. It's been a while so please correct me if I'm mistaken...


"I haven't seen the Rob and Meredith driving incident, but if Rob was only doing it as a joke because Meredith was following him, then he is a big idjit. If Meredith was following him and driving just as recklessly, then Meredith is as big an idjit as Rob. There are rules in Australia about changing lanes without giving sufficient warning to following drivers. Maybe they didn't get caught and fined by the local police, but that still doesn't excuse irresponsible reckless driving."

--Actually for the most part Rob did give sufficient warning by using his turn signals. He switched lanes several times and Meredith followed. No big deal - he was not driving recklessly, merely switching lanes. At the end of this scenario, however, Rob pretended that he was getting off the highway and then when he was on the exit ramp he veered back onto the highway. This caused Meredith to have to quickly swerve back onto the highway. It was a stupid thing to do and I'm really not trying to defend Rob's childish behavior - I'm just disagreeing with the original poster that this was a great fat pile of reckless driving.

But I agree, they're both idjits.

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04-09-05, 00:52 AM (EST)
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67. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Having read all this, I've concluded that there might be quite a few of these reality tv doods that I'd like to put in handcuffs.

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TARugh 159 desperate attention whore postings
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04-09-05, 02:15 AM (EST)
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68. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
LAST EDITED ON 04-09-05 AT 02:22 AM (EST)

Question: How many laws has Rob Broken?

Answer: He's not in the states. Case is thrown out.

No offense, but my guess is you've never left the United States. Not saying that is a bad thing, but as one who is American in another country, I have some pineapples to give out:

RECKLESS DRIVING: No arguement can be made on his diving whatsoever. Have you ever driven in a 3rd world country? Aggressive man is king. Where I live, they drive on sidewalks, the wrong way down a one way, etc. Not that is is right. But it is most definitely something many countries deal with. If you abide all the driving rules in a 3rd country, you'll get passed up. Rob is smart enough to know that.

BRIBERY: Bribery, while against the law, will never be punished in a 3rd world country unless the police really don't like you. When I shipped my vehicle here, the people at customs were not going to give me my truck because I did not have an "engine number." (Different from a VIN Number.) Its amazing how an engine number will appear on your form with a bottle of Jack Daniels handed to the proper individual. Thats the way the world works.

FRAUD: Ever heard of Nigerian Scams?

The point is, he may have broken laws, but if they aren't laws or if they are commonplace items, he would not be held responsible.

Laws like the Protect Act or the Status of Forces Agreement (SoFA) for DoD Civilians give American laws to those overseas where they would be extradited back to the USA if said laws were broken. But if an American commits something like bribery in another country, America cannot prosecute. The 3rd world country will not either, because they have better things to worry about than a bunch of morons racing through an unpopulated desert.

Keeping this in mind, Lynn and Alex would be breaking laws in certain countries too...because they are gay. Prohibited in many nations.

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RBA 129 desperate attention whore postings
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04-09-05, 01:09 PM (EST)
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71. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
LAST EDITED ON 04-09-05 AT 01:14 PM (EST)

Please PM me if you wish to get some therapy with your Rob complex. I'm good at listening.

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04-09-05, 03:20 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
Please PM me if you wish to get some therapy with your Rob complex. I'm good at listening.

Huh?

Rob complex ~ is that a clinical term?

OK, so the illegality issue is a little far fetched, but to imply someone needs therapy because they dislike Rob is a little far fetched as well.

Welcome to the boards.



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04-10-05, 02:38 AM (EST)
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82. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
A Rob Complex? Does that building rent out for weddings?
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04-10-05, 10:49 AM (EST)
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86. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
*snort*

Romber's wedding location?


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04-10-05, 02:41 AM (EST)
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83. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
'PM' you? What is that? Do I need my own leather, or will you provide?

Just kiddin'. Not really into that.

But you can 'PM' me if you are.

No, really, just kiddin'. Don't PM me or I will freak out. I will call the internet cops - I'm quite litigious, as you can see.

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04-10-05, 10:45 AM (EST)
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85. "RE: How many laws has Rob broken?"
*snort*

A PM is a "private message". You can send users on this board a private message by clicking on the little envelope icon in the upper right corner of their post.

To check if you have one, you go into the lobby of the boards and see if you have a little red wavy flag.

I'll send you one now and you can see!



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