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"Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..."
TickTockMan 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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05-14-04, 01:09 AM (EST)
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"Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..." |
LAST EDITED ON 05-14-04 AT 01:13 AM (EST)....c'mon. It isn't like Simon and Paula and that other guy got to pick - it was a popular vote nationwide of over 30 million people. That's it. Not a fix. Just because someone is MORE TALENTED than someone else doesn't mean they are necessarily the favorite among voters. Look at Britney Spears - voice isn't that great, not entirely vocally talented, but she's breaking billboard records. Is Norah Jones more talented than Britney? Yeah. Then why isn't she selling more records if she's more talented? Talent doesn't always sell records, and in the end it comes down to personal preference. Jasmine Trias is more marketable to the teeny-bop crowd, and they really make up the majority of votes. She's 17 years old, spunky, pretty, has that "image" and looks like she'll make good teeny-bop music. LaToya is more vocally talented, but kinda a hard sell to the TWEENERS that make up the majority of votes/record sells. Sure, these boards are going to be filled up with LaToya supporters, but the difference is we're probably not 13 years old and making up all the votes. So, don't go up in a fit because the most "talented" didn't win. This competition isn't all about talent, and neither is record sales in general. Hell, George Huff got all my votes even though I knew LaToya and Fantasia are better. Why? Because he's my favorite. That's my preference. And stop crying racism. Three of the last five finalists were African American. The winner last year was African American. I hate racism too, but I don't think it applies here....
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ringjosbell |
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RE: Stop cryin'......America voted,... |
PA44sec |
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Watch it... |
Bebo |
05-14-04 |
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RE: Watch it... |
TickTockMan |
05-14-04 |
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RE: Watch it... |
Fishercat |
05-15-04 |
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Femme |
05-18-04 |
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RE: Watch it... |
Fishercat |
05-18-04 |
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May I also add, |
mixmaster59 |
05-14-04 |
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RE: Stop cryin'......America voted,... |
zzz |
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RE: Stop cryin'......America voted,... |
seahorse |
05-14-04 |
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RE: Stop cryin'......America voted,... |
zzz |
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RE: Stop cryin'...... Why crying ou... |
sodiumswirl |
05-15-04 |
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RE: Stop cryin'...... Why crying ou... |
ALIAS |
05-16-04 |
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John Mayer |
Breezy |
05-15-04 |
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RE: John Mayer |
Karennz |
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shedevil |
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managerr |
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RE: Stop cryin'......America voted,... |
JOSHIDOL |
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stormysatan |
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shedevil |
05-17-04 |
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I have good reliable ears |
stormysatan |
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shedevil |
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kayvee200 |
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PA44sec 10 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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05-14-04, 06:05 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..." |
Tick Tock Man... you ARE the man!! Finally someone with some sense who isn't all angry and insulted because "their" contestant got the boot. I had three favorites from the beginning, two of which got the boot so far (JPL and George). If my third fave gets the boot, oh well. I'm a big girl.. I can take it... And I so definitely agree with the marketable aspect that you bring up... The younger crowd buys a ton of music so why shouldn't their preference win. The older ones who want to cry "it's racism" or "it's rigged" need to just get a life. In my opinion... all the contestants that were on this show deserve a medal just for getting that far at all. And I sincerely hope if these finalists read some of these nasty postings they don't take it to heart because this is just a handful of nobody's just sounding off.
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-04, 08:10 AM (EST)
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4. "Watch it..." |
Insulting other posters, like you do in this post, is a violation of community guidelines. Please refrain from putting down other posters when trying to make your points in the future.
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TickTockMan 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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05-14-04, 09:35 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Watch it..." |
>Insulting other posters, like you do >in this post, is a >violation of community guidelines. >Please refrain from putting down >other posters when trying to >make your points in the >future. ....who got insulted? Where are there any insulting remarks in this thread? Just because someone doesn't agree with another opinion doesn't deem it "insulting"... ....secondly, all of you claiming the voting is unfair because not everyone can get through, be aware that it's called a REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE. Like Presidential polls, they don't go around and ask every single American who they'd vote for - they survey a smaller group that basically represents the greater whole. And when you have OVER THIRTY MILLION VOTES, you can't say that the very small amount of people that didn't get through would have made the difference. More than enough people got their vote in to be heard to where there would be no error. ...again, like I said, the "older" generation needs to stop crying that their faves didn't make it. AGAIN, talent doesn't equal popularity. Jasmine is popular among the tweeners and is an easy sell for that type of music, while LaToya appeals to older voters, who DO NOT make up the majority of votes. Get over it. When over 30 MILLION votes are cast, there IS NO MISTAKE!
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Fishercat 4168 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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05-18-04, 08:22 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Watch it..." |
Eh, that'd make more sense, maybe reading more critically would help me. Heh.
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mixmaster59 21 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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05-14-04, 08:02 AM (EST)
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3. "May I also add," |
... that if you don't vote, your fav. or the best contestant WILL NOT WIN!! I have been lurking here for weeks and not posting, and I have read many different posts stating that the poster does not vote. Yet those very posters are now calling fowl because Laytoya is now out of the compitition. It is very simple, if you didn't vote for Laytoya, but you wanted her to win, or thought she should win, than you have no one to blame for her demise than yourself. Jasmine had nothing to do with her leaving, just like John Stevens had nothing to do with Jennifer leaving. Votes matter. So, don't complain if your favorite is now gone if you didn't vote. Just deal with it.
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zzz 703 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-14-04, 09:40 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..." |
I would not have any problems with the voting results if I thought the voting method made any sense. I think that the show is a victim of its own success. When the phone lines are as jammed as they are, I doubt that an accurate vote is possible. They should change it to one phone number and you press a button once you dial in to choose your favorite. That would provide a more reliable voting method and I would be more willing to accept whatever results happened.
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zzz 703 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-14-04, 02:14 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..." |
Exactly--that is my point. The current voting system is fundamentally flawed.
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sodiumswirl 79 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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05-15-04, 01:30 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Stop cryin'...... Why crying out "racism" is racism in itself" |
In case anyone hasn't noticed... Jasmine Trias isn't white either. Talent aside, does voting for a Filipino-Hawaiian girl instead of an African-American woman make one racist? Or does the simple act of pointing out their ethnicity (like what I'm doing exactly right here), instead of focusing on their singing abilities or marketability or stage presence, constitute a more implicit form of discrimination? Where do we draw the line when it comes to critiquing what is essentially a popularity contest (or to be more precise: a talent show that relies on votes from the public to determine its winner) on its "racist" or "rigged" results?I think it's sad that La Toya had to leave but frankly she never had a shot at winning. Not (just) because she's older than the other girls, or because of her "handicapped" African-American racial background, but because it's so much easier to root for a personality instead of a voice. And La Toya, great singer and brilliant performer though she is, is hardly a TV personality in that no one seems to know anything about her beyond what she chooses to display (25 yr old step-mom who sings great), and no one seems interested in finding out anything more. Sure, she'll inspire people to put up "La Toya - the next American Idol" sig pics all over this community board; but she won't get websites built up entirely in her honor (the way 22 yr old Jennifer Hudson did); or have, made specially for her, gigantic "Fantasia = Fantastic"-type banners that take ages for fans among the live studio audience to create and set up. Again, age may play a factor here but if it does, that's an entirely different category of discrimination. I think constantly reminding perople around you with the never-ending suggestion (e.g. screams of "RACISM on AI3") that being African-American is some sort of handicap to receiving public votes, is almost as discriminatory as not voting for La Toya because of her ethnicity (which I highly doubt anyone is doing anyway). It simply reinforces whatever negative connotations the public may be having about the African-American race (I personally doubt there are many at the moment, but that's just me), without being constructive in trying to eradicate this discrimination (whether or not it exists). A more contructive way, I feel, is to look at all the factors surrounding La Toya's shock departure - her age, her lack of "rootablity" as a TV personality, her quiet confidence which some may contrue as arrogance, her constant vocal and stage perfection week after week leading to a predictability that makes it difficult (for some) to want to see her stick around till the end (compared to Fantasia's reliable unexpected-ness; never knowing whether Jasmine is going to flub all her notes or not this week; and wondering whether Diana is going to put on another hilariously horrible outfit like she has for most of the season), and yes, also, but not only, her race; then determine whether you think she deserves to stay around till Final Three or Final Two or to be the next American Idol; and finally making an informed, carefully considered criticism about her departure on Disco Week. Simply (and angrily) focusing on her race is not only the easiest and laziest way to justify a person's feelings about the unfairness of her departure; it is also an implicit, insidious and arguably far more dangerous form of racism in itself.
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-15-04, 04:43 PM (EST)
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11. "John Mayer" |
He was on Crossroads with Brad Paisley, I was watching this earlier today. He said with a chuckle "I wouldn't have made it on American Idol, I wouldn't have gotten past the first auditions."Made me really think about the threads and posts I've been reading here lately. He's right, he doesn't have a great voice... but he's a great performer. American Idol isn't and shouldn't be the Greatest Singer in America show, it's American Idol. America is voting for who they want to see perform. Save a horse, ride a cowboy.
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JOSHIDOL 275 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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15. "RE: Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..." |
I think if people are paying money to see a performer, I would certainly pay for talent but you do want the personality to go along with it. I do agree Latoya did not have that personality but Jasmine what was so great about her personality???? It is so obvious without the million people voting in Hawaii and being able to get through, she would have been gone a long time ago.
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stormysatan 90 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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05-17-04, 12:54 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..." |
Obviously, the votes from hawaii are not enought to keep her on the show. She seems to have a wide support nationwide. That's why she's still in the running. I think Jasmine is a very good singer but she gets nervous very easily and that affects her performance. See the difference in her rendition of the song INSEPARABLE week 1 of the finals and during the presentation of the top 5 ...... and her rendition of Run To You between Tue(the contest proper) and Wed (THE RESULTS NIGHT). I think she is capable of doing more than what people think .
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stormysatan 90 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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05-17-04, 09:29 PM (EST)
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18. "I have good reliable ears" |
Don't know what you are listening to. But my 'sharp ears' said she sounded very well with Inseparable during the contest proper. In fact, many people say that along with Fantasia's Summertime, Jas' rendition of that song has been the most memorable moment of AI3.
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kayvee200 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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05-18-04, 09:07 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Stop cryin'......America voted, and talent doesn't always win..." |
THANK YOU! I've been saying this for weeks. The judges and some of the people in the media have been making me SO mad. This is not about talent. It's about commercial appeal and La Toya doesn't have it. The judges are so disconnected with the audience, it really make me mad. Talent has NEVER been the determining factor for celebrity status. It take much more than that to suade the American public. Come on, the people who watch this show are not looking to find the most talented. They want some who connects with them, someone closer to their ages.
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