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"READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL"
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05-13-04, 01:01 PM (EST)
 
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"READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
Go to this link http://www.panachereport.com/home.htm and click breaking news, middle column, remember, middle column, breaking news, if u can't click on the link, type it in your browser manaully.
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05-13-04, 01:19 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: That's not NEWS" |
What you just told us to read is not NEWS. It's someone's opinion.Saying that there's racism on the show because Clay and Reuben aren't touring together? What a crock. Do they seem like they'd be friends outside the show? Reuben's tour bus got stopped and they found marijuana on it. Doesn't sound like Clay's Bible thumping scene to me. Or to claim racism because Ruben is not as famous as Clay? What about this? Neither Justin Guarini nor Kelly Clarkson are doing as well as Tamyra Gray. So why is that? Racism against whites? More crap. Was that person trying to claim that American Idol doesn't want black people to be successful in the music industry? How stupid is that? Black people buy CD's and go to concerts, don't they?
Yeah, sure, that's why Janet Jackson is so unpopular, right? The music industry is about who can make the most MONEY. The only color that matters is GREEN. The only racism in that column is from the author. Maybe we should discuss SEXISM, and why it was only 4 women left.
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05-13-04, 08:04 PM (EST)
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29. "Sorry, no" |
Actually, it's Kimberley who isn't on the same record label as Clay and Ruben.Kelly is on RCA Records, part of the BMG Music Group that reports to Clive Davis.
Clay is on RCA Records, part of the BMG Music Group that reports to Clive Davis.
Ruben is on J Records, part of the BMG Music Group that reports to Clive Davis (and is co-owned by Clive Davis).
American Juniors are on Zomba Records, part of the BMG Music Group that reports to Clive Davis.
Kimberley is on Curb Records, distributed by Universal -- no connection to BMG. By the way, this shows which Idol Clive Davis expected to be more successful -- notice which one is on the label that Clive co-owns? But Clay's CD has sold almost 3 million, Kelly's has sold over 2 million, and Ruben's has sold about 1.5 million.
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05-15-04, 09:55 AM (EST)
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50. "RE: Sorry, no" |
Not everyone can write the right music for a person voice. Clive is the owner not the producer. Which meaning that he could have own 10 record labels with them being produced by different people.
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05-14-04, 02:40 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: That's not NEWS" |
I agree. stop playing the race card. It is so absurd.
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05-13-04, 01:20 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
Every time I click on the link, I forget which column I am suppose to look in...the left? No! Wait! The right...Hold on...which forum am I in right now?
 
Better get back to OT where there are no confusing links or columns...
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05-13-04, 02:22 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
I agree with the article. Why is Clay getting so much publicity. I do understand that Clay is a good singer but he didn't, win get over it. Ruben is the American Idol winner not Clay. What is the big deal? I think that there should be some rule that if the judges think, that person didn't deserve to be eliminate then they should beable to override it and eliminate the correct person in there eyes. Right about know I don't care who wins the show as long as its not Jasmine. But I wouldn't be surprised if America selects her b/c of those tears!!!!!
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05-13-04, 05:06 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
Come on now people the real reason Ruben isn’t getting no action on the music seen has nothing to do with racism it's just the fact that unless he loses weight the boy's not marketable material. And yah Jasmine should not win and she isn't but for the judges to be able to over ride America is foolish that's why it's called American idol no judges idol it's our votes that make or break the contestants.
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05-13-04, 08:10 PM (EST)
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31. "Disagree again" |
Like I said before Ruben isw not on the same record label as Kelly and Clay so the AI staff is not marketing himSee my post above. I should have also mentioned that Kelly, Clay and Ruben are all managed by Simon Fuller's 19 Management, so AI IS marketing him. It's Kimberley, again, who is the outsider. Want proof? Look at the ad for Ruben's CD (along with Kelly's & Clay's, and even poor Justin Guarini's CD) on the American Idol website, as well as the blurb plugging his CD at the bottom of the page: http://www.idolonfox.com/home.htm See any ads for Kimberley's?
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05-15-04, 09:56 AM (EST)
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51. "RE: Disagree again" |
Are you picking on me??
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hotwetgirl1981 67 desperate attention whore postings
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05-13-04, 03:13 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
The show isn't about personality, it's about the voice. And Ruben has Clay beaten by a mile when it comes to singing!!!!!!!1
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05-13-04, 05:09 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
Hve nothing much to add but you are so right on that one
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05-13-04, 05:53 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
I honestly don't think racism had to do anything with Latoya being voted off. I loved her I thought she should of been the next american idol. But look at who is voting. White Amrica are the ones who run the show when it comes to voting time. Of course they are voting for the people who they can relate to. We the "minority" don't even watch these kind of shows because we figure we won't win because we are not white. If we actually got into these reality shows that we can support each other than we wouldn't be saying it's a race issue.
Than again we all know who is going to win (Diana)she is the American Idol. She is a super star with a great personality. Latoya had the most amazing voice but personality was not there. Whan you look at the American Idols we have now they both have amazing personalities and are very likeable. I think if Latoya would have been a little younger and had a little more carisma then she would have taken it all. Oh yeah, and I really hope Jasmine doesn't cry next week cause she needs to go! No more pitty votes America.
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05-13-04, 07:25 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
I have to be completely honest here. I did not go to the link and read the artical. I did however, read all the different posts. What makes me so upset about this whole issue, is that there is so much more going on in this world than whether AI is racist. I mean, Laytoya is WAY better off than she was lets say a year ago. No one even heard of her until AI. I mean it's not like she had her head cut off or anything. So, I really think it is ridiculous that such issues are brought into play. Can no one think of the positive here? She will get a record deal, or become an actress, or whatever. I have no doubt that this very talented young women will do very well for herself. As far as racial issues, what a silly little notion. Did no one watch the last two years of AI? Wasn't Ruben African American? UMMM, excuse me, but he won! As far as Clay being more popular, well, I have to say that he appeals to women of all ages, young, middle aged and older. I am one of the middle aged women and I just adore him. I like Ruben too, but I don't care for his style of music. But I am getting off topic here. If you look at the last couple of seasons, AI is the most racial and equal programs on TV. They always have an equal amount of blacks to whites and female to male. The first season, top two--- Kelly (white) and Justin (black, I think) season two, top two--- Ruben (black) and Clay (white) and this season, the top two will also be equal-- Fantasia and Diana. I am the only one who sees this? We can't control who votes for who, but we can take this a little less seriously. Remember, this is a TV program, a contest. And everyone will be better off because of it. Look at the positive, which truly out ways the negative.
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05-14-04, 04:19 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
Warning, I'm going to yell...I'M BLACK AND I'M SO DAMN TIRED OF THIS RACISM BS I COULD SCREAM!!!! WE ARE BEING PLAYED BY THE PRODUCERS. WHY IS IT THAT THEY DON'T POST THE ACTUAL VOTING COUNT??? BECAUSE IT IS FIXED FOR RATINGS. AMERICAN HAS ALWAYS PITTED RACES AGAINST EACH OTHER SO WHY SHOW THIS SHOW BE DIFFERENT. RACE COMPETITION DRAWS ATTENTION AND RATINGS.
Now, Reuben vs Clay. Let's first begin with the facts: Both are really good singer but the differences are in personality Clay has a more outgoing personality. On every interview I've seen with Clay he is relaxed and funny. He is use to speaking publically and has has more experience being in the public eye. Reuben is not as polished, YET. He clearly shows uncomfort in public speaking and needs to work on building his image and persona. This takes nothing away from his talent; however, the public will only be as comfort with a singer as the singer is comfortable with the public. I know several people who went to his concert and they weren't impressed. He just stood there like rock and sang. I didn't see him in concert but I have seen Luther Vanadross in concert when he was heavy and the brotha put on a fantastic show so size doesn't matter. Reuben has some growing and developing to do or he will lose his limelight. As for his CD, it only has maybe 3 or 4 really good songs. Whoever wrote for him did a horrible job if they want Reuben to truly appeal to the American public. As i mentioned above, I'm black and was so NOT impressed. It will serve Reuben well to tour with some old time male groups/ men and observe their interaction and movement. Reuben if you're reading this the following are people you nned to tour with: Boys II Men Bring these brothas back!!!!
Gerald Lavert
Brian Mc Knight
Eric Benet
Comon Reuben simply needs to learn how to be the sexy singer..thew true velvet Teddy Bear.. It's just my opinion because I ams SO OPINIONATED
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05-14-04, 03:12 PM (EST)
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40. "The problem with the voting is..." |
OK - I'll admit I'm one of those idiots who votes 100 times (or at least has that many dials). I was voting for Latoya and Diana this week but only about 1 in 20 of my calls actually got through. I called right up until they cut off voting and the lines for EVERYBODY were solidly filled.....which leads me to this conclusion:At the tail end of the contest the voting is decided, in large part, by the people who text message their votes. (starts to tread into dangerous territory next) The vote then becomes a funtion of disposable income and socio-economic facotrs. A disproportionate amount of people who feel strongly enough to spend money to vote for 'Tasia and Latoya are simply not as well represented by this sample. Is that a racist statement? I surely hope not and if I offend anyone by proferring that opinion, I'm sorry. But the facts speak for themselves. As Jasmine clearly demonstrates, you win by having a small handful or very "vocal" supporters who are rabid to keep you in the competition. I think that this hurt Latoya and it HAS TO BE FIXED. The show makes tons of money - open more phone lines. Making the voting fair and more representative. If Jasmine wins it will be a travesty. 
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05-14-04, 04:20 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: The problem with the voting is..." |
I agree that the amount of telephone votes are probably pretty close in the Continental US, but in Hawaii 1.3 million votes were tallied out of 5 million calls.If more than 1 in 4 Hawaiin votes get through compared to 1 in 20 in the US mainland using your numbers, then a much higher proportion of Hawaiin votes get through compared to the US mainland. The reason for this is that when Hawii votes, the rest of the US has already been locked out and gone to bed. Out of 280 million Americans, 30 million votes were cast. Out of 1.2 million Hawaiins 1.3 million were cast. I think this can better account for Jasmine being in the top 2 than the test messaging votes advantage for Jasmine and Diana based on socio-economic factors. You are correct in that if many more phone lines are opened up and the voting is allowed to continue for a longer period of time, the vote would be much fairer, and it would probably turn out closer to the consensus expectations than is the case at present.
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05-14-04, 04:49 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
How come when George got voted off instead of Jasmine nobody was crying racism and he was a better singer then she wa. It was funny every talk show that had him on the people were saying that Jasmine should have gone. Randy Jackson himself said Jasmine should have gone home but nobody was saying racism, anytime a black girl gets voted off its racism. I do not see the point here.
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05-15-04, 09:14 AM (EST)
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47. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
When did this show become AFRICAN AMERICAN IDOL? I was under the impression it was AMERICAN IDOL!When the first pictures of the final 4 were aired, I thought to myself, "Wow, what a GREAT cross section of America we have here!” There are 2 African American women, a Hawaiian woman (also a woman of color) and 1 blonde Caucasian woman. No way will we hear cries of RACISM! Well, I was dead wrong! I agree, LaToya is an awesome singer and was the favorite to win... But, I would love to know, how many of the people who are now crying racism ACTUALLY voted and how often? How many people thought she was safe and decided not to vote this week? How many people are just jumping on the "Racism Bandwagon" and never cast a single vote? Remember when LaToya and Fanny were in the bottom 3 a few weeks back? The following week they both got WAY more votes and were not in the bottom 3....Hmmmm...Sounds like people are dropping the ball on their favorite contestants. Maybe people are not all committed to just 1 contestant. Just because a person of color gets voted off it is not a racist attack. It is a matter of who votes and how often they vote. Please stop trying to drive the wedge of racism further into society.
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05-18-04, 11:28 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
That is a bunch of BULLSHIT.
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54. "RE: READ THIS!!! RACISM ON AMERICAN IDOL" |
The cry of racism also reared its ugly head on Australian Idol last year... and for all the arguments for and against, the fact remains that you've gotta keep voting.I wasn't a fan of La Toya, and although she is a fantastic singer, there was something missing in her performances - just that missing X factor that plays a part in this game. I have to agree with others that people thought she was safe - and Jazzy got sympathy votes... And quite frankly, the producers of Idol WANT controversy - as they say in the biz, any publicity is good publicity.... It gets more people watching, more people voting next round, etc, etc.... I wouldn't be at all surprised if this week Diana goes, because people are gonna vote by the truckload for Fantasia (to support the black vote, to fight racism, to vote for the best singer left in the comp, and for many other reasons), and people are gonna vote by the truckload for Jasmine (sympathy, prove a point, whatever).... Diana will get lost in the quagmire that is AI...
Just my 2c - for what its worth!!!!
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