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"GIVING YOUR MONEY AWAY IS DUMB"
Cleveland Guy 153 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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03-30-05, 01:33 PM (EST)
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"GIVING YOUR MONEY AWAY IS DUMB" |
Congrats to R/D and R/A. They were the only teams smart enough NOT to give money to M/G.This is a competition, and you know one team is going to be eliminated at the end of this leg (esp. cause the last one was a non-elim). They have been dealt a fatal blow, and you now hae a step up on them. Why give it away. On this show Money = Power. Having more money allows you to pay for quicker transportation, pay people to help you with directions, buy maps, food, etc, etc, etc. You are also only given a finate amount for each leg. Why sacrifice some of it to another team? Even if it's just a loan, you are lowering your bankroll, and allowing them to increase theirs. I am sure M/G could have gotten money at the airport, but why make their life easy?
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LibraRising 2847 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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03-30-05, 02:02 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: GIVING YOUR MONEY AWAY IS DUMB" |
I'll play devil's advocate.Meredith/Gretchen are the least physical team left out there. If it came down to a foot race at the end, who would you rather be against? Them or Brian/Greg? It might not be a bad idea to give a boost to your weaker competitors in the hopes a stronger competitor gets eliminated by a mistake. Also, this was the first of several non-elim legs. There but for the grace of God, eh? If you were that unlucky team to come in last on the next non-elim legs, and you made it a point not to help out the team from the last time... I think you see where I'm going. Lastly, it's a game, but some of us believe in karma. Give and it comes back to you sevenfold. Don't give, and that comes back to you, too. If I were running a race that can at times be based on luck, I wouldn't want to tempt that balance.
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globespinner 61 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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03-30-05, 02:12 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: GIVING YOUR MONEY AWAY IS DUMB" |
I agree. For one thing, I think we've found through post-interviews that even though it is a competition, many teams become friends throughout the race. So, when your friend asks for a few bucks, it's probably hard to say no. Also, you may need the return of a favor later on. Also, regarding the taking of the bags and clothes, I'm sure the producers realized that the money taking wasn't really making a huge difference as teams were able to get more pretty easily. So taking belongings seemed like the next step (like, when disciplining kids--you keep adding consequences to the next step). Next season, Phil will probably say, "Give me your money, your clothes and you have to eat this package of Ex-Lax and handcuff your wrists to your ankles. Let's see you get out of that!"
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Fishercat 4168 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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03-30-05, 03:02 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: GIVING YOUR MONEY AWAY IS DUMB" |
There are some noticeable advantages strategically to giving another team some money in the situation, more in the future than in the present.A. The team receiving money or supplies owes the supplier. Really, most of the teams could ask M&G for a favor now, and as long as it does not cause the team to lose, the other team would do it, sort of payback. B. Not giving money can put a target on your back. A yield hasn't come up since Leg 3 of the race, one has to think one will come up soon. M&G don't seem like the vindictive or yield-using (spite) type. However, if M&G are in second to last, and R&A (or if they survived, R&D) were in last, M&G may be more inclined to yield a team who blew them off in a time of need. Conversely, if a team is behind M&G and they gave them money, they may be less likely to yield. C. The non-elimination leg will return twice (likely) in this race. I know, if I saw a team decline giving a team something after going through such an experience (not only losing cash in a country which does not look laden with cash, but also losing all their supplies/personal possessions), I would be very hesitant to give them something if they came in last. I would also be hesitant to help a team (period) if I knew I wouldn't be repaid by them. One has to determine whether a few dollars is worth some possible, long-term advantages. R/A are a very strong team at this point in the race (due to extra publicity advantages), and they have already burned some bridges. If they don't feel the need to support another team for the strategic or moral advantages, I can see why they would not do it. There are advantages though and I think I would at least give something. One also has to consider the team they are helping. M&G seem to be well liked, the token old couple, which means that them lasting long is less likely, than, say, Brian and Greg doing the same. That limits some of the advantages, but it also limits the risk of giving them some funds. They last a couple legs and you may get paid back, they lose that leg, your investment had no harm. U/J gave them some clothing, which surely doesn't hurt them in any direct way but it can help them later on. Obviously, you do not want to overpay a team, but really, the disadvantages are pretty minute unless you run out of money. R/D, who didn't give them money (and who were portrayed as pretty dislikeable people, specifically Ray) were eliminated when they lost to M/G in a physical challenge and were beaten by Brian and Greg, who were put in a huge disadvantage.
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kvasir79 48 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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03-31-05, 04:57 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: GIVING YOUR MONEY AWAY IS DUMB" |
Good thing someone has brought up Yield. I just read on the CBS site that EVERY leg of the race has Yield. Why hasn't anyone used it? Clarification?
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arturbars 605 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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03-30-05, 03:14 PM (EST)
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6. "I could not agree with that statement more..." |
Giving money away to another team is extremly DUMB!!! I give R/A and R/D teams props for not falling for it,(even though i really dislike Ray and happy that his ignorant, abusive, idiotic, whiny azz is out of the race.) But let's get back to the money issue. First of all it's a race and a game - why in the world would you help your competition. They are not in any mortal danger - why is all this necessary. It's nobody's fault but old couple's for coming last. They should be extremly happy that they are still in the race. It's the price you have to pay. I would be happy to drop all of my stuff on the spot just to stay in the race, but i would not even dare to get a nerve to around asking other teams for money. Beg from the locals if you must, but don't put other teams in the position where they feel like they have to give you money out of guilt. Bravo to Romber and the azz-hole with his submisive girl for not falling for that! P.S. - Giving them a clean shirt and shorts to wear is completely different - that i have no problem with if you have close to spare. Money is just to valuable for the game.
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CantStandToLook 6254 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-31-05, 10:23 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: The reason Meredith and Gretchen begged from other teams" |
don't think giving M&G a few dollars would have been so bad. Firsty, M&G got walloped w/ penalties, so they are not likely to recover too fast.I've to say that this statement is dumb considering what we've already seen. The way I saw the show: 1. They didn't get any money that leg of the race but none of the racers have to pay for plane tickets out of the money they're given for a leg. Don't believe try buying a plane ticket anywhere walk-up and tell me if you can get an international flight for a couple hundred bucks. 2. None of the tasks they had to complete immediately after being stripped of their money seemed to require an overabundance of cash other than maybe gas. 3. It would suck to have to wear the same clothes and not have some of the other tools that might have been in their backpacks, but that could also possibly be an advantage strange as it might seem . Sure, they'll stink but they also wont have to endure the physical strain of the bags either which for certain tasks the racers may be required to carry at all times.4. This is the most important considering your statement and the fact that it was posted a day AFTER the show aired. With the exception of not having their clothes, they HAVE recovered and weren't even involved in the footrace to determine who went home on tuesday. I give them extreme credit especially considering their age but they're not exactly barely hanging on there. What if you want to be supportive, but you can't stand listening to people bitch ~Edie
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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04-01-05, 03:10 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: The reason Meredith and Gretchen begged from other teams" |
Just as a courtesy, don't call other people's opinions dumb, okay? It tends to bring out the defensive Meredith and Gretchen placed well in the bottom half of the leg. They're not bottom feeders, but they're not smoking the competition either. And they needed money for the shuttle and they're out in the middle of freaking nowhere, so even with a few dollars from each team, they would be at significant disadvantage if they came into something that needed money. Added to that, they're in a desert, with no food from their packs and very limited money to buy water. Even in their heyday, M&G never did better than 5th, so with the added disadvantages...
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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03-31-05, 03:14 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: but not as dumb as..." |
I agree watermelon
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Femme 3621 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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03-31-05, 03:24 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: but not as dumb as..." |
I agree - I would be a lousy Racer, because I find it hard to separate my beliefs from the game.When I went to church, people were allowed to play games. I recall with great fondness a lock-in where we had a Monopoly "play-off" until the wee hours of the morning. No one was allowed to get an eliminated player's properties and assets for free, because, well, that's just not how you play the game. I also recall another time when we played dodge-ball. I am fairly certain I recall one of the central tenets of Christianity being not to hurt other people, but being pegged with a dodgeball wasn't considered a violation of God's law. In the context of this game, giving away your money to another team is ridiculous. Christianity should spill over into every aspect of your life, certainly, if you are a devout, practicing Christian, otherwise you are a hypocrite. Okay, while I can buy that logic, I find it really hard to draw a parallel between living a Christian life and competing in a race. You mean to tell me that your God would cast you out from Heaven if you didn't help a competitor get ahead in a TV game show?
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bury_those_cockroaches 10 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-31-05, 04:57 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: but not as dumb as..." |
Interesting point Femme. I wonder what would happen if they had reality shows with nothing but Christians. Would the people still act Christ like? Would they play the game but still add the "what would Jesus do" factor into the equation? Would be a nice show to watch.
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watermelon 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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04-01-05, 03:48 AM (EST)
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30. "RE: but not as dumb as..." |
I never saw the Brandon/Nicole series so can't comment. And I agree - there are lots of GREAT non-Christians around who are more moral than Christians. I'm sorry for starting up this thread, and sorry if I sound like I'm bashing non-Christians or trying to be holier than thou. I was just a bit annoyed that someone's act of generosity was seen as stupidity/trying to buy good karma. B/G have been shown to pray, so I believe they have some sort of Christian faith. To me, their generosity was just a reflection of their morality, not "playing a stupid game", and I just wanted to point out, that for them, maybe the giving money was about being nice and they should be applauded for it and not vilified as being stupid. And the karma thing... if you're Christian, you don't believe in karma. I was trying to say, maybe they were being generous because that's the Christian thing to do - I don't think they expected something in return. Am I making better sense now?
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watermelon 184 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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04-01-05, 03:40 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: but not as dumb as..." |
Obviously you don't know the basic principles of Christian doctrine - you don't get cast out of Heaven for not helping another competitor to get ahead, you get cast out of Heaven for not having faith in Jesus Christ and believing that He died for our salvation. Helping someone else out is just a way of saying, "I believe in Jesus and because I love God, I want to try and live a life like Jesus" - has no actual bearing on getting to Heaven. Your examples about Monopoly and dodgeball are completely different from TAR. Of course you can't get an eliminated player's property in Monopoly if that's the rules that were set out from the beginning. Of course in sports, you expect to get hurt at times, but it doesn't mean that you broke God's law about trying not to hurt others. (well, that's is if the hurting was accidental and not someone deliberately lobbing the ball at another player) In TAR, the rules are very loose... there's no rule that says "you're not allowed to help another team or give them money". If there is - sure, you need to play by the rules. But as I understand it, the money given to them is theirs to use however they see fit - so if they wanna help another team, go right ahead. Stupid gameplay? Perhaps yes, I agree... but a nice and generous act nonetheless. As said above, I'm not trying to say EVERYONE has to be generous - I just wish that when people ARE generous, others see it for what it is, an act of generosity, and not "stupidity" or "trying to buy good karma". (Well, for some people, they might be trying to buy good karma, but in the case of U/J and B/G, I don't think that was their motive - I think they were truly just being nice. Whether or not they're Christian, doesn't matter... lots of non-Christians are very nice too)
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kvasir79 48 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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03-31-05, 05:02 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: but not as dumb as..." |
Uh oh, i think this racer would have to stop at a church for service on his way to the next clue. OO what about saying grace before downing those four pounds of Argentinian BBQ?
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okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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03-31-05, 04:43 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: GIVING YOUR MONEY AWAY IS DUMB" |
<but why make their life easy? True, and probably smart gameplay. However, if I were a racer I'd probably donate a small amount, just to salve my own conscience. It's a "there but for the grace of God" thing. BUT...........if I disliked a team, I could easily say, "Nope. Ain't a gonna do it. Now go away." Now how's that for a selective practice of the Golden Rule? Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
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