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"What is worse?"
shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 11:37 AM (EST)
 
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"What is worse?" |
Romber not stopping when there are already 10 people milling around not doing anything and they are in the middle of a friggen race...OR The brothers not even bothering to ask Phil how the cameraman they almost killed is doing cause they are to busy hugging each other and crying over how happy they are that they are still in the race?
Phil: "Oh I'm sure you two will be relieved to know that the cameraman is okay"
Brothers: "who?" 
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shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 01:08 PM (EST)
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4. "you don't know that" |
> They probably
>already knew that the cameraman
>was OK by the time
>they left the wreck.
..you mean when the guy was laying on the ground with someone balancing his neck for support? Nice try, but no.
>Lastly, they surely would have
>asked about the cameraman given
>enough time.
...you have nothing to base that on.
Just because
>it wasn't the first thing
>out of their mouths is
>no reason to condemn them. ....by first thing do you mean after they rolled around on the ground hugging and laughing and crying about not being eliminated...and only then did Phil have to remind them about the guy they almost killed.
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>I don't fault Romber for not
>stopping. They seemed to
>look a little guilty about
>it at the pit stop
>when Phil asked them about
>it.
...I disagree, I don't think they looked guilty at all.
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>What I think is worse is
>Lynn and Alex's moral superiority.
> All they really wanted
>was bragging rights and to
>bash Romber some more.
>They are obnoxious.
...now we finally agree on something.
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Tahj 4136 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 01:35 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: you don't know that" |
..you mean when the guy was laying on the ground with someone balancing his neck for support? Nice try, but no.If they didn't think he was going to be OK, they wouldn't have left. They were thoughtful enough to say a prayer as they were leaving. ...about the guy they almost killed. You have nothing to base that on. ...I disagree, I don't think they looked guilty at all. Yes they did. ...now we finally agree on something. Yup. 
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 03:18 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: you don't know that" |
I agree with your interpretation of the events Tahj.
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iatovttotx78 2645 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 04:42 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: What is worse?" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-30-05 AT 04:43 PM (EST) I think the worse thing on last nites episode was Lynn & Alex's unjustified moral superiority.I was really disgusted with them acting as though they were so virtious. Especially after hearing the numerous racial slurs that came out of their mouths when they got lost in Africa. It's a race so I can see how not stopping would be justified within the context of the game. Their comments were not justified at all. The brothers should have asked after the camera man, that should have been the first thing they did. Once they knew he was okay, then they could celebrate not being eliminated from the race. Romber's Actions, while not something to be proud of, were the least objectionable of the shady things that happened on last nites episode. ~Tim~ 
Fighting for peace is like fck!ing for virginity.
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fleaismycat 77 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 12:43 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: What is worse?" |
I suppose it is a redundant question but:Would anyone be this angry if it had been Gretchen and Meredith or Ron and Kelly who failed to stop? I think that with Rob and Amber there is so much baggage. So many people don't like them because of their actions on survivor. If Rob and Amber were a brand new couple that no one had heard of before would they get the same Monday (or Wednesday) morning quarterbacking of their every move? Having said that, the brother seemed very emotional at the pit stop and I expected them to ask about the camera guy but I wasn't upset at them when they didn't. They seemed very overwhelmed. They are emotional guys as they demonstrated when the first all girl team was eliminated. I'm a little nervous about commenting in this thread.
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fleaismycat 77 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 01:37 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: What is worse?" |
But did you know who they were? Had you heard of them before? Seen media reports on them? All of that can colour your perception.All the other couples in the race have the advantage of starting with a blank slate. No one really knows if Brian and Greg are nice guys or not. I assume that they are, actually. They seemed caring about the cameraman to me and I didn't mean to infer otherwise. I am not a fan of Rob and Amber. I do think, objectively, that he should have won Allstars. I think it's hard to divorce the image that has been crafted, by them and for them, from who they really are as people. I loved Chip and Kim. I mean I was so happy when they won I stood up and cheered. However, they did use the stop racing thing on Colin and Christie (whom I hated). Is that smart playing or bad sportsmanship? Most people seem to say, in the case of Kim and Chip, that it was smart playing. However, if Colin had used it on Kim and Chip I think it would be seen as bad sportsmanship and a sign that he is a bad guy. I think the perception of the team as people colours how we see their actions and some teams get more benefit of the doubt than others.
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cayugasong 13 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 12:58 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: What is worse?" |
I'd say the brothers, but I didn't think it was that bad that they didn't jump on the mat and blurt our "how is he" right off the whack. It IS a TV show and they know the ritual. I had no qualms about Rob & Amber driving by. I think L/A were just pissed that they over-reacted by not only stopping, but *getting out of their vehicle*. Everyone else slowed down and asked out the window. L/A leaped out like they were going to do something. I'd also propose another one: OR Phil taking Meredith's & Gretchen's backpacks on the noneliination leg? Now THAT is harsh! No clean underwear, no toothbrush, no deodorant... yikes!
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arturbars 605 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 01:18 PM (EST)
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Frankly speaking, I would not blame either one.Brothers seemed to be emotional at the end because of the accident and i thought they were really worried about the cameraman. I am sure they would have asked about him as soon as they could - they probabbly just did not know that Phil had that info already. (I actually wonder if Phil knew anything for sure, or if he just tried to culm the situation?) And unlike many people out there I don't really blame Rob and Amber for not stopping. It is a race. They did look over and saw both brothers ok, and ohter people (including Lynn and Alex) with them. Plus besides the gay couple, nobody else stoped to help - they all just slowed down asked them if they were ok and went on with the race. How is that helping the brothers? The only racers i do have an issue with are the gay couple - they left Rob and Amber in the middle of the street, when they clearly had room in the van, and then admited that they would not do it to anyone else. Then they take on the role of these saints or mortars at the pit-stop for stoping and staying with the borthers. So, what that you got out and stayed there - how did you help them? You did not! It's nobody's fault that you are stupid - the brothers even told them to go.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 10:33 AM (EST)
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37. "RE: What is worse?" |
Sorry, I dubbed them Team Malfoy, because Rob and Amber are born Slytherins if I'd ever seen a pair.
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 06:04 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: What is worse?" |
I think Rob said maybe Meredith pushed Gretchen and laughed as he said it. Joke or no joke, I am pretty sure that is in bad taste to make such a comment. And I think they did give Meredith and Gretchen money, remember he said, something like who wouldn't, he wanted to give them money so he wouldn't have to look at that big cut/scar on her face. Another joke/ no joke (doesn't really matter) made in bad taste.
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Wheezy 9153 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 11:07 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: What is worse?" |
I'm reading this thread and trying to figure out why everybody's got their panties in a bunch. Are there rules in the game that say you have to be courteous and thoughtful? That you should share your money and clothing with the loser team--what was THAT? That you can't take advantage of another team's reckless driving mistake? This *is* a game, right? Everybody is a willing participant...nobody's holding them there against their will. And there is a huge prize at stake. If one team prefers to feel sanctimonious instead of winning, they should go for that but they shouldn't expect to earn anybody's pity for their stupidity. Or did I miss the day they declared it a moral game? Romber made mistakes--they forgot to make quick decisions. But seems to me they turned a little soft since Survivor. Where's the sneaky bastard I grew to adore? I want more crap like that--it's what makes the show interesting.  What. Are you looking at.
of course, what do I know. I don't watch this show.
Wheeze * Everything In Between
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dirob 92 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 07:24 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: What is worse?" |
oh puh-leeze!
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Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 09:04 AM (EST)
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34. "RE: What is worse?" |
I'm still not clear on why it is Rob and Ambers responsibility to check on any injured person during the race.Don't the Producers of this show have the responsibilty of taking care of their injured employees?
People seem to be forgetting that this wasn't just any dirt road, while the show is being filmed, it's a film set. The injured cameraman is an employee. He was being given first aid by other members of the production crew. They sent a new vehicle for the Brothers to continue the race in, doesn't anyone think that medical help was being sent as well? The camera crew with Rob and Amber kept filming, the camera crew with Lynn and Alex kept filming, and yet Rob was somehow to blame for not stopping for an accident he didn't cause, where there were lots of people available to give aid. Oh and now that I think about it? Who was filming that accident scene before L & A stopped? Someone was. And that crap Phil said on the mat? To the Brothers and to Romber? That was scripted for the TV audience. 
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Dakota 5619 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 04:12 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: What is worse?" |
"assy", I like it. I'm gonna use it.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 03:25 AM (EST)
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71. "RE: What is worse?" |
Use it with my blessing, guys.
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momotoo 16 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 00:55 AM (EST)
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28. "RE: What is worse?" |
My first reaction to Rob not stopping to even ask if anyone was OK was that he lacked basic manners. Even though this was a race, these competitors have been 'together' for at least, what?, 2 weeks ? Surely stopping for a mere few seconds to show concern for someone you have known for 2 weeks was not too much. As what TerriBlue mentioned, it's a question of basic decency.BUT.... After reading this article on an interview with Debbie (of Debbie and Bianca) by our local reporter, I can understand why Rob did what he did. According to Debbie, R/A never made it a point to mix with the rest of them. From what we've been shown, R/A have been on their own most parts of the race, never making any real alliance or friendship with anyone (not sure about their friendship with Ray and Deanna, but from the earlier episode where Ray suggested chipping in to pay the driver of the bus to not open the back door, didn't Rob 'cheat' by not contributing his share and keeping it known to Ray and Deanna ? What kinda friendship is that ?). Rob joined TAR to win a million dollars, on his own (eh Amber ? Well, Amber was there 'cos according to a new TAR rule, a person may not perform more than 6 Roadblocks in the entire race. So, Amber had to be there to do the rest). He didn't care about making friends, making alliances or getting to know the other racers better. So, why start acting all concern and worried when they've been distancing themselves with the rest all these while ? Who is worse then ? Rob/Amber or the brothers ? I would pick neither. For the brothers, after a footrace like the one last night, to avoid elimination in a race for a million dollars, I thought it was quite natural that the brothers were overjoyed and momentarily forgot about the accident. To me, it was Lynn/Alex. Their craving to be seen as the Good Samaritans on national TV, when obviously there was nothing much they could do, was pathetic. *************** SHE'S AN AMAZING WOMAN (by Yvonne Kowk, media reporter)
Life! The Straits Times, Singapore, March 31, 2005 You wouldn't like to mess with Amazing Race competitor Debbie Cloyed. One half o the 3rd team to be eliminated from the hit reality TV show's 7th season, the 25-year-old photographer never backed dwon from a confrontation or challenge. It lead even rival Rob Mariano, 29, to admit grudgingly in the 3rd episode, as he watched Cloyed tuck into 1.8kg of barbecued cows' organs that he himself passed on : "This chick has balls." But the admiration was not mutual. Asked if she felt that Mariano played the game well, she snorted in disgust and said the Survivor All Stars runner-up was "not particularly brilliant". She always saw through the construction foreman's "tricks", she added in a phone interview from her home in Los Angeles. Her team-mate, teacher Bianca Smith, 26, could not make the interview as she was on a Caribbean cruise with ther musician boyfriend. The two women first crossed swords with Mariano and his partner, Survivor All Stars winner Amber Brkich, 26, in Peru, where part of the 2nd leg of the race was held. Cloyed called Mariano a liar to his face after he bribed a security guard to keep mum about a faster bus route between the Peruvian cities of Cuzco and Arequipa. Mariano's fiancee, Brkich, was far more quiet than him, and Cloyed felt that no one got to know her well as the couple made it a point to keep their distance from the rest of the pack. She is still amazed that Mariano had managed to convince two other teams to take a four-hour penalty in lieu of completing the challenge that required them to eat the cow organs. "If he tried that trick with me, I would have taken one look at him and said, 'whatever'," she declared. She was the only woman in the race to finish the unappetising spread - in 35 minutes. "The boys were such wussies. They took four hours to finish and they were throwing up everywhere," she said with disbelief, clearly still worked up by her experience. Yet, despite sailing through the challenge, Cloyed and her best friend were eliminated in Mendoza, Argentina. They had wasted four hours when they got lost while driving through the Andes. Cloyed, who is currently dating a musician as well, confessed ruefully to being the stereotypical woman who can't read a map. "We would have aced any challenge, but we are horrible when it comes to directions. That was the only thing we would have flunked out on and we did."
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03-31-05, 12:07 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: What is worse?" |
Men don't ask for directions, or so goes the stereotype; I know of no stereotypes about women and maps.I don't understand why Debbie and Bianca are considered contenders at all. "We were going to be the first all-girl team to win." "They really could have/should have won." Clearly, if you aren't even focused enough to realize that you are NOT driving into the mountains or focused enough to use your good Spanish-speaking skills to read signs and maps or focused enough to read your clue properly and thouroughly, then you aren't going to last long in a race that dictates you are focused in all those sorts of things. They are not vicitms of circumstance, poor innocent bystanders with a bit of bad luck at a really bad time. They were quite simply not good enough to compete. They "deserve" but Rob and Amber don't? Hardly, as evidenced by the fact that they can't even make it a quarter of the way. (I know all this is horribly off topic, but I cannot stand "We should have/could have won" sentiments, especially when coupled with "and they don't deserve to be there" tripe.) 
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 06:23 PM (EST)
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60. "RE: What is worse?" |
Hi Terriblue,
I agree with your comments. Just wanted to let you know that even though it looks like this on this thread as everyone pretty much doesn't agree with you, I do agree with you! You are not alone!
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Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 09:11 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: What is worse?" |
but there's a difference between feeling dislike and outright hostility. 3 seconds of lowing down vs. 3 weeks of hostility. Hmmmm...So if they had stopped at the accident, the other teams would have stopped being hostile towards them? Suddenly L&A would have decided that Rob was a nice guy? This doesn't make any sense to me at all. Outright hostility is what they have been dealing with from several teams from day one. 
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 10:37 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: What is worse?" |
It doesn't make sense if you think that all the teams were gunning for them from day 1. I don't think that though. Lynn and Alex clearly hate them, but Uchenna and Joyce, Meredith and Gretchen, Brian and Greg and Ron and Kelly haven't been shown having issues with Team Malfoy, and some even went in with him on the bus scheme, which doesn't suggest loathing and hostility. Kelly was shown saying she was glad that the meat-eaters made the earlier flight instead of the 'quitters' but that's Ray and Deana and Meredith and Gretchen as well
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Dakota 5619 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 11:53 AM (EST)
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44. "RE: What is worse?" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-05 AT 11:54 AM (EST)First, I'm a Survivor poster. I rarely post elsewhere. Ergo, I have opinions about Sleeze and his no-brain sidekick, a/k/a Romber.
Contestants are not obligated to be considerate to others or even care if they live or die. It's not about friendship. It's about winning. It's about the money. This is a competition, a race, there's a lot of money at stake. So who cares about anyone else? Why give $5 to a team in trouble? After all, you'll never be in a position to have to ask for help. You'll never get hurt and need someone to help. And if you are? Too bad. It's a race.
TerriBlue, I agree with you. Every other team stopped to ask if everyone was ok. Rob has been scheming since day 1 to stab people in the back. Not just to play to win, not just to play smart and tough, not to be better than the competition. To Rob, half the fun is suckering people. Because of Survivor, the TAR contestants know this. Money, race, competition--none of that changes the kind of person you are. You may like Rob, you may hate Rob, but he is what he is. We have that on tape.
And now that I have that out of my system.....
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 04:36 AM (EST)
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75. "RE: What is worse?" |
Thank you for your articulate post, Dakota. You are so right when you point out that if all the racers follow Rob's dog eat dog philosophy, he is going to find himself in huge trouble sooner or later, because there are such things as helping out others and alliance on this show, and if he wants to live by the sword, he'd better be ready to die by it. The taxi incident showed him that other teams are more than willing to dish out what he's been serving up and that he's not so happy being on the receiving end. The main reason he won Survivor All Stars is because of the alliances he made and if he's decided that he wants to screw alliances, screw other people and screw however he might come off to others, he'd better not be surprised if he gets some trouble for it
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 03:58 AM (EST)
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74. "RE: What is worse?" |
My television has an on/off switch. Doesn't yours? . Yep, but I don't touch it since I got the TiVo remote.  To explain, I didn't mean that _I'm_ stuck with these people on my TV for 12 weeks, I meant that if I were Rob, I'd keep in mind that I have to eat, sleep and mingle with all my competitors at least every pit stop, meaning staying with them in the same dormitory for 12 hours straight and you have to interact with them for about a month if you end up in the final 3. In other words, Rob's stuck mingling w/ these people for at least 12 hours a week, and no matter how thick Rob's skin is, being the social pariah is no fun, so going out of his way to alienate them is stupid.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 12:34 PM (EST)
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78. "RE: What is worse?" |
I've been on zero TV games. Romber has been on a total of 4 between the 2 of them and so far, they have won 1 (that we know of) so their record is 1 win 2 losses. However, 'this sort of thing' i.e pissing off your competitors, is not the type of thing that's been successful for them; if Rob hadn't had an alliance with Lex and Kathy, Amber (and Rob later on) would have been a dead duck during Survivor All-Stars. The whole reason Rob LOST Survivor Marqueas is because he alienated too many people and they voted him off without hesitation.I never asked for this to be the Mr Rogers race and don't want it to be, otherwise we would have never gotten Colin and "My ox is broken!!" I do want the assiness to be below a certain level otherwise I feel like I'm watching a train wreck instead of a TV show *coughJonathancough* I just think Rob's 'screw them all' philosophy is entertaining, but not smart racing. You can benefit from alliances, look at Meredith and Gretchen, and Uchenna and Joyce. According to Insider Videos, Meredith taught U&J some map-reading tricks and U&K paid them back later by donating the clothing. Hell, Rob himself benefitted from alliances in the 2nd episode when he got to reap all the benefits of the bus scheme off of other teams' money. Now they've pi$$ed off several teams and when they know Lynn and Alex are in the background, more than willing to fan the flames and use the hatred. They've had a target on their backs from the beginning, but now Rob's just about inviting other teams to pull out shotguns.
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-05, 11:02 AM (EST)
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success on a reality show isn't just in winning. Rob didn't win on S4, but he was HUGELY sucessful in creating a persona. He didn't win A.S.S., but if you ask most people that watched it, he should have and that was probably more successful for him in the long run.I've said it before, Rob isn't stupid when it comes to marketing himself and his persona. They don't have to win this thing to be successful at it. They just have to play it smart and they are. Winning would be nice, but they don't have to have it. I would personally watch Rob Mariano on any flipping show he did. I enjoy him that much and I don't say that about many DAWs on television. As for alliances, I would submit that if Rob and Amber offered, just about any team other than Lynn and Alex and the POWs would jump at the chance to hook up with them for a leg. 
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Dakota 5619 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-05, 11:21 AM (EST)
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98. "RE: What is worse?" |
>>Rob didn't win on S4,
>but he was HUGELY sucessful
>in creating a persona.So you think this is a "character" he has created for himself. I think this is the person he is. >As for alliances, I would submit
>that if Rob and Amber
>offered, just about any team
>other than Lynn and Alex
>and the POWs would jump
>at the chance to hook
>up with them for a
>leg. More than one team this season have stated that they don't trust Rob, and are learning as time passes that R/A are not the people you want to trust or rely on. Some seem to have started out thinking R/A are the team to beat (and I think they are), and may have wanted to hook up with them, but they keep seeing that Rob crosses everyone. Everyone. Even when he teams up with someone, he crosses them. That makes him great for ratings, but not much else. Charter Member: Club Anti-DAW
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04-04-05, 10:51 AM (EST)
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122. "RE: What is worse?" |
I didn't see that many people jumping on the JF fanwagon. I personally wouldn't watch him catch fire. He did seem to be the same kind of person that he played on TV, only more so, and I found him ickey beyond words. Well, we know that Jiffy still to this day can't stand him, so there's that. And lotsa folks, including Jiffy, seem to like Rob. That said, I'm guessing ol' Johnny Fairplay probably still makes more money than he did before did Survivor and probably more than I do, so bully for him. JFP is doing just fine for himself with his wrestling manager deal, which is exactly what he wants to be doing in the first place. Rob has not been abusive to anyone, ever. He's been deceptive, but he's never attacked anyone, verbally or otherwise. And he's been exceptionally friendly to the native folks every place they've been.
 
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40. "RE: What is worse?" |
I agree with Shakes and would add one more.Suppose the roles were reversed -- i.e., suppose Rob was driving like a maniac and injured the cameraman, and the brothers went racing on by to try to finish the leg without delay. What would Lynn and Alex be harping about? That the brothers didn't stop? No, they would say how inconsiderate Rob is for the safety of other people that he drove like a maniac and flipped the car, then continued on the race at the first available opportunity. Ultimately, I was glad to see the brothers beat out Ray and Deana (even though it eliminated me from the anti-eliminee contest). But it does go to show that ultimately, the difference for Ray and Deana being eliminated or not eliminated in this leg was perhaps 5-10 seconds, and the accident took place at a crucial, determinative part of the race. There is no obligation on the part of a competitor to stop in the middle of the leg to check on competitors -- that is the producers' job. Just as it is the producers' job, in a life or death situation, to do something equiavlent to a yellow flag in auto racing -- tell everyone to stop where they are for a few minutes while we check if the cameraman is okay so no one has to choose between racing and checking on the health of someone. If the producers didn't call a time out, why should Rob and Amber? Just as it is the producers' job to decide that Meredith and Gretchen will have all possessions stripped from them -- the competitors shouldn't be faulted for not alleviating this.
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66. "RE: What is worse?" |
Me too!
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92. "me, too." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-02-05 AT 01:23 AM (EST)and I don't even agree with you about Rob. I wouldn't like him if he had slowed down and, to tell you the truth, I'm not surprised he didn't. Rob is an arse. But that doesn't mean I don't think it was a smart move or that I didn't enjoy seeing it. I love watching these guys. The villan is more important to a show than the rest of the people. Plus, it makes these boards a heck of a lot more fun.
not that they weren't fun to begin with.ETcomment on the giving of money. Personally, I couldn't give a flying hoot about whether a team gives money to the last place team. If they don't, they're playing smart. If they do, they're playing nice. BTW, I concede on being harsher to Romber about not stopping than I would have about other teams. It isn't just this incident, but a series of incidents, stemming back to Survivor, that make me think Rob is an #####. If they were a new team, without all the baggage, I would be saying it was a smart move. So, for all the people who say all this preconcieved Romber hatred is unjust, please direct your hatred towards me. I'm a big person. I can take it. Hit me with your best shot.  
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93. "RE: me, too." |
You ARE a big person.
You admit that past perceptions of this team affect how you view their game play now.
Nothing wrong with that, and refreshing to see someone who admits it.And I agree that every show needs a villan. In fact, I think if a show doesn't have one on it's own, that the post production staff will edit one in. Good stories have both good guys and bad guys, antaganists and protaganists. Without both, there is no drama. This season is all about the drama.
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45. "RE: What is worse?" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-05 AT 12:11 PM (EST)I think it was cerainly tacky and thoughtless to speed past the site of an accident without any pause for concern. Making friends is certainly not a required (and in my opinion, a preferred) part of this race. I especially think it would have been shocking to see Rob and Amber sucking up to another team after the reception they have gotten from the other snarky (and not in a good way) teams. However, I think it really shows your character when someone is in a lifethreatening position, or has been severly injured, and you cannot even muster up an, "everyone okay over there." If the cameraman had died, or one of the contestants had been fatally injured, how important is the race at that point? There is a moment, even in a race, even in a contest, when human beings and the welfare of others trumps anything else. The fact that we have concern for others, and that death, dying and injury are not overlooked as insignificant are one of the reasons that people can even come together into a society to begin with. Simply saying, I don't necessarily fault Rob and Amber for not stopping, but being tremendous fans of theirs, I am a little bothered that they couldn't at least slow down. My husband and I both agree, you are just 'in the way' unless you are the first on the scene with the means to alert medical professionals, officials, or whomever would be appropriate to the matter, or unless you were skilled in medical treatment and first aid. In that vein, we both faulted Lynn and Alex for elevating danger at the accident. Unless you are able to assist, you do not stop. You present a danger to yourself (how ironic it would have been if, in stopping and getting out of their cars, Lynn and Alex caused a distraction that lead to yet another accident) and you present a danger to the people you are gawking at gathering gossip about making sure are okay. I also do not fault the brothers for not immediately asking about the cameraman, either. /shrug I think they showed enough remorse and anxiety to truly believe that they weren't heartless about the matter. I do, however, point squarely at them in assigning ANY real blame in this whole event. The one brother even said that he was sliding around. He knew it wasn't safe, yet he risked the life of his brother, the cameraman, and potentially others who were following too closely. Edited to explain not required nor (in my opinion) preferred - it seemed really incoherent, that bit.
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59. "RE: What is worse?" |
"However, I think it really shows your character when someone is in a lifethreatening position, or has been severly injured, and you cannot even muster up an, "everyone okay over there." If the cameraman had died, or one of the contestants had been fatally injured, how important is the race at that point? There is a moment, even in a race, even in a contest, when human beings and the welfare of others trumps anything else. The fact that we have concern for others, and that death, dying and injury are not overlooked as insignificant are one of the reasons that people can even come together into a society to begin with."Right on. But be forewarned, besides yourself Terriblue, and myself, pretty much else who has posted on this particular thread DOES NOT agree with this sentiment you have posted above!
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67. "RE: What is worse?" |
>"However, I think it really shows
>your character when someone is
>in a lifethreatening position, or
>has been severly injured, and
>you cannot even muster up
>an, "everyone okay over there."
>If the cameraman had died,
>or one of the contestants
>had been fatally injured, how
>important is the race at
>that point? There is a
>moment, even in a race,
>even in a contest, when
>human beings and the welfare
>of others trumps anything else.
>The fact that we have
>concern for others, and that
>death, dying and injury are
>not overlooked as insignificant are
>one of the reasons that
>people can even come together
>into a society to begin
>with."
>
>Right on. But be forewarned, besides
>yourself Terriblue, and myself, pretty
>much else who has posted
>on this particular thread DOES
>NOT agree with this sentiment
>you have posted above! (hands raised up high)..I'm with you guys too. Though I do not fault Rob for what he did (or didn't do), I still feel it's only human nature to show, even a little, care/kindness in a situation where somebody you know may be hurt or in trouble. The Chinese has a saying that a "human being's basic/natural/instinctive nature is that of kindness" (ren xing ben shan...for those who read hanyu). Rob just showed us all that he either ain't got any in him or that he's was really, deliberately being not-nice...and that accident was truly not an appropriate one to pick to be not-nice, if you know what I mean. (Off topic a little -I have two young kids. And I am constantly striving to teach/show them to have a good heart, be kind, show care, concern, be courteous, polite, show respect, etc, in any situation, to anyone. The success of a people-to-people relationship largely depends on those qualities. I'll be terribly disappointed if either of them grows up to behave like how Rob did in that accident)
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61. "RE: What is worse?" |
It has become very obvious and clear to me that Rob and Amber are in a race.
I guess they are the only team that know this is race.
If the rules do not indicate anything about stopping, why stop?
We should be beating up and bashing on the brothers, not on Rob and Amber. It was the brothers that were driving like mad men. If you wreck due to your own stupity/carelessness and $ One Million Dollars is on the line, well guess what buddy you put yourself in that situation. Don't blame others for your own misfortunes and try to make other people feel guilty along the way.This is a race. Run ROMBER RUN and don't stop or look back. Let us look at this way. Let us say this was the last leg period. Who ever gets to the finish line first, wins the $One Million Dollars. Do you think any one would of slowed down? Let alone stop? I think not. Would you? I know I would not. They are not racing for peanuts here people. You see folks, it all boils down to this. Rob and Amber got money now. They know what it feels like. Why do you think they are so layed back now? Money does buy happiness and plenty of it. Any one that tells you different is either lying of doesnt have any. Things that make you go hmmmmmm????
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68. "RE: What is worse?" |
You did and I missed it. Bravo to Femme!
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03-31-05, 07:09 PM (EST)
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63. "RE: What is worse?" |
The thing is, we'll never really know who did what exactly because of show editing.I don't fault Romber for not stopping. It was obvious both brothers were not injured. But a shout-out of "everybody okay?" wouldn't have been a lot to ask. It was a bit rude, but not the worst thing ever. I don't fault them for not pulling over. Nobody else did either, except for drama boys Lynn and Alex. Everybody else just did a drive-by shout-out as well. I noticed right away the brothers didn't ask about the camera guy which I found odd and a bit selfish. Sure, I was glad to see them stay in the race too, but the first thing out of my mouth after hugging and being happy was, "how's the cameraman?" Not waiting for Phil to bring it up. Lynn and Alex are just searching for ways to bash Romber because they secretly want to be them -- two big giant media whores. I bet after the race is over they're fawning all over them at the reunion show.
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83. "RE: neither" |
>Rob and Amber clearly knew that
>nobody was seriously injured.
>They did say that they
>wouldn't want anyone to get
>hurt. It was clear
>from the Fast Forward challenge,
>and common sense would indicatate,
>that the camera people have
>radios to communicate with producers/racers.
> By the time R/A
>arrived on the scene, I'm
>willing to bet that they
>already had a report on
>the situation, and found no
>need to stop. For
>all I know, they DID
>yell out to the crash
>site, but it made better
>TV not to show it. Well, no, Romber were surprised when they came upon the crash site and if they had yelled out to see if everyone was ok, Phil wouldn't have gotten away with pushing that button when they arrived on the matt. Lynn and Alex also mentioned it and L/A were there as other teams, including Romber, passed by. The evidence is against Romber. Charter Member: Club Anti-DAW
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84. "More Evidence" |
But wasn't there a camera going from Lynn and Alex's cameraman when Rob & Amber arrived on the scene chronicling Lynn and Alex's disgust? So Rob & Amber drive by the scene and someone is filming it, doesn't that suggest that they already have one excess body not needed for immediate rescue?
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04-01-05, 04:06 PM (EST)
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85. "RE: More Evidence" |
Why yes, I think it does. And my point still stands that besides the group of people already milling around the scene, that all the camera operators would have been made aware of the situation by the time that Romber passed. The car flipped, everyone got out of the car, help was called, Lynn and Alex arrived, parked, and were standing around doing nothing, when Romber approached the scene. They KNEW nobody needed their help, so they didn't stop. I also maintain that the Brothers were well aware that their camera man was ok, when they reached the mat. There are tons of cameral and producer types all along the route, and there is no way that either team was not aware of what was happening. Phil questioned ROmber and the brothers to create drama for the audience, that is it. I'm sure that if Lynn and Alex hadn't whined about Romber not stopping, it wouldn't have even been brought up. But guess what? They're telling a story of how it's Romber against the others, and this incident just helped them tell the story. It's good for ratings. Rob is good for ratings. All this debate is good for ratings, and all that matters is ratings. To think otherwise is just plain dumb.
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91. "RE: More Evidence" |
Again, I am finding you brilliant! ( even though , I'm sure I said something similar around here somewhere)But this is just WRONG Lynn and Alex arrived, parked, and were standing around doing nothing, Lynn and Alex weren't doing "nothing", they were very busy, fretting, hand flapping, MeOhMying and posing for the cameras.
I would hardly call this "doing nothing".
Drama is hard work.
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04-02-05, 11:38 AM (EST)
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99. "RE: Better evidence." |
While I haven't argued that any players had an obligation to stop, nor will I argue with the drama of L/A, but L/A were first on the site shortly after the accident, saw the car had rolled, the camerman was laying on the ground. It may have been L/A's camerman that called for help. We don't know. At this point, L/A probably should've left, knowing help was coming, no one needed CPR or a tourniquet. Due to editing, we don't know how long it actually took for the medical personnel to get there, but it seemed to be a few minutes. (If someone had been bleeding profusely or needed CPR, seconds count.) I think most who argue against Rob simply feel, like I do, that Rob's true colors were showing in this incident. They players certainly know that medical help is close, but while every other team asked if things were ok, Rob simply drove by. Showing some basic human concern for people you've spent time with, gotten to know, seemed to be the natural thing to do for everyone but Rob.
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04-02-05, 06:17 PM (EST)
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102. "RE: Better evidence." |
Yes, I read your post. I also watched the show. And as I stated in my post, L/A got there BEFORE the helicopters and chase cars following these people. And it seemed it took several minutes at least for the medical people you refer to to get there. This is not a show about morals or moral superiority. But we do get to see what these people are like. And isn't that why we love reality TV? The people? Love 'em or hate 'em, that's why we watch. This is also the Basher boards. Where people love to bash the contestants. Some get bashed more than others. I don't get why there are so many people who feel strongly about defending Rob, arguing on his behalf, making excuses for him, and getting angry with those who bash him.
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103. "RE: Better evidence." |
Yes, I read your post.It wasn't *my* post, it was a link to a post by dirob, a former employee on TAR. So, I guess you answered my question. You can ignore the facts of the situation all you want, but I'd rather go with what is known to be true. L/A got there BEFORE the helicopters and chase cars following these people. Maybe, maybe not. I don't think that point was ever shown, but I guess I might have missed it. It looked like there were a few other people on the scene when L/A were there, but maybe they ALL came from the brothers car. (but I doubt it) And it seemed it took several minutes at least for the medical people you refer to to get there. Well, it "seemed" to me that it took several minutes for Rob and Amber to pass by, but I have no idea how long it took for all those other people to get there. I do know they arrived *before* R/A, since I saw people tending to the injured employee when R/A arrived. This is not a show about morals or moral superiority. I couldn't agree more. It sure seems as though some people think it is. How else do you explain all the "bashing" of R/A for being less than human in their response to the accident? But we do get to see what these people are like. Yes, but I also think it's dangerous to think we know it all about someone from what is shown on an edited TV program. Sure, you can form all the opinions you want, but that doesn't mean they're accurate. This is also the Basher boards. My bad. I thought this was the morally superior board. I don't get why there are so many people who feel strongly about defending Rob, arguing on his behalf, making excuses for him, and getting angry with those who bash him. Personally, for me, I find a lot of the Romber bashing to be lacking any true substance. There are things to bash them for, lots of them, but the particular incident we're discussing in this thread is not one of them. (again, this is proven by the link to dirob's post, that is being largly ignored by people who are arguing that Rob was so evil for not stopping.)
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104. "RE: Better evidence." |
>Yes, I read your post.
>
>It wasn't *my* post, it was
>a link to a post
>by dirob, a former employee
>on TAR. So, I
>guess you answered my question.
> You can ignore the
>facts of the situation all
>you want, but I'd
>rather go with what is
>known to be true. I read your post and the link that was part of your post. I'm not ignoring the facts. I'm stating them as seen on tv. The statements in the link you posted don't change that. >L/A got there BEFORE the helicopters
>and chase cars following these
>people.
>Maybe, maybe not. I don't
>think that point was ever
>shown, but I guess I
>might have missed it.
>It looked like there were
>a few other people on
>the scene when L/A were
>there, but maybe they ALL
>came from the brothers car.
>(but I doubt it)
>
>And it seemed it took several
>minutes at least for the
>medical people you refer to
>to get there.
>
>Well, it "seemed" to me that
>it took several minutes for
>Rob and Amber to pass
>by, but I have no
>idea how long it took
>for all those other people
>to get there. I
>do know they arrived *before*
>R/A, since I saw people
>tending to the injured employee
>when R/A arrived. That's a point I made. We don't know how much time passed between the accident and L/A's arrival or the arrival of medical personnel. Nor do we know how long it was before R/A passed by. >This is not a show about
>morals or moral superiority.
>
>I couldn't agree more. It
>sure seems as though some
>people think it is.
>How else do you explain
>all the "bashing" of R/A
>for being less than human
>in their response to the
>accident? Because lots of people don't like him. And this is TAR Bashers. Where we bash people we don't like. >But we do get to see
>what these people are like. >
>Yes, but I also think it's
>dangerous to think we know
>it all about someone from
>what is shown on an
>edited TV program. Sure,
>you can form all the
>opinions you want, but that
>doesn't mean they're accurate. We've seen Rob on 3 shows now. I don't claim to know everything about him. But character traits and behavior patterns become evident. >This is also the Basher boards.
>
>My bad. I thought this
>was the morally superior board.
>
> I don't get why there
>are so many people who
>feel strongly about defending Rob,
>arguing on his behalf, making
>excuses for him, and getting
>angry with those who bash
>him.
>Personally, for me, I find a
>lot of the Romber bashing
>to be lacking any true
>substance. There are things
>to bash them for, lots
>of them, but the particular
>incident we're discussing in this
>thread is not one of
>them. (again, this is
>proven by the link to
>dirob's post, that is being
>largly ignored by people who
>are arguing that Rob was
>so evil for not stopping.)
I appreciated your link and the insights into TAR production. But that link doesn't change the events that I saw on tv or Rob's attitudes towards other people which have been consistent through 3 reality shows. Medical personnel being nearby doesn't change the fact that there may have been serious injuries and he didn't care enough to ask. Some think that's ok. Some don't.
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112. "RE: Better evidence." |
Dirob, the facts of your post, your knowledge, were not ignored. I did not state that Rob's assistance was needed at the scene of the accident. Your experience with TAR clarifies that. However, Rob clearly stated as he passed by that he hoped no one was hurt, but this was a race, he wouldn't stop. This tells me, in spite of the communication tools of the TAR crew, that Rob did not know for sure whether or not anyone was seriously injured. So there is logic and there are facts to support the statement that he did not know how serious the accident had been. I also stated that in spite of the safety measures and medical personnel following the racers, that Lynn and Alex were the first ones on the scene of the accident. There was no one there but the brothers and the cameraman, lying on the ground, when Lynn and Alex arrived. Millions of people saw this on television. You say this might be editing. If medical staff had been there, it would not be logical for them to be standing out of the camera shot when the brothers and cameraman who may have needed their assistance were in the scene. What I did say is that since we don't know how long it took before the TAR medics arrived, assistance could have been required if life-threatening injuries had been sustained. Since Rob saw that others were already at the scene, he was not endangering anyone's life by not stopping. But unlike every other team, he didn't stop to express any concern or inquire whether or not the brothers and their cameraman were all right. It is also logical that if the TAR crew had informed everyone of the accident and status of the brothers and cameraman, the teams would not have expressed surprise upon seeing the accident nor would they have stopped to ask if everyone was ok.
Please don't continue to accuse me of ignoring facts and being illogical because I disagree with you.
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113. "RE: Better evidence." |
However, Rob clearly stated as he passed by that he hoped no one was hurt, but this was a race, he wouldn't stop. This tells me, in spite of the communication tools of the TAR crew, that Rob did not know for sure whether or not anyone was seriously injured.I don't think his comment proves any such thing. "Hoping" that no one gets hurt, could easily mean that he doesn't wish anyone harm, not that he doesn't know what that particular situation is. We have no idea what prompted that statement, so I don't think we can assume he knew nothing. So there is logic and there are facts to support the statement that he did not know how serious the accident had been. I don't think we can assume that at all. There was no one there but the brothers and the cameraman, lying on the ground, when Lynn and Alex arrived. I don't have it on tape, but I could swear that at least one other person was filmed, sitting on the ground with the injured cameraman. There could have been several others around, but out of camera range. As dirob explained above, the shots are edited. Maybe they wanted us to think there weren't a lot of people on the scene, because it made for a better storyline. (Rob is insensitive!) If medical staff had been there, it would not be logical for them to be standing out of the camera shot when the brothers and cameraman who may have needed their assistance were in the scene. Why not? I know I saw someone else in the shot, but for all I know, the whole scene was refilmed for dramatic purposes. But unlike every other team, he didn't stop to express any concern or inquire whether or not the brothers and their cameraman were all right. Is your whole point that Rob isn't nice? If so, I agree, but I also believe that in this particular case, he was smart, given that it's a race and all. It is also logical that if the TAR crew had informed everyone of the accident and status of the brothers and cameraman, the teams would not have expressed surprise upon seeing the accident nor would they have stopped to ask if everyone was ok. I didn't think they seemed all that suprised. Concerned, yes, but surprised, not really. As a racer, even if I heard there had been an accident, I'd still be somewhat surprised to actually see the scene. Also, I beleive that some people would have asked if they were ok, either way.
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115. "RE: Better evidence." |
I don't have it on tape, but I could swear that at least one other person was filmed, sitting on the ground with the injured cameraman. Doesn't each team have a crew of two that follows them around - the camerman and the sound guy? Plus, each team had a bush guide (or whatever they were called), according to what they read from the clue beforehand. So there should have been three people with the brothers in the car. One was definitely sitting on the ground holding the cameraman's head. I do still have it on tape, so I went back and checked it. Before Lynn and Alex showed up, there were indeed three people (at least) besides the brothers - the cameraman, a woman holding his head, and another man. Of course, if you think about it, the shots taken "before" L/A get there were probably actually shot by L/A's cameraman, assuming they were the first ones on the scene (because the brothers' camerman was injured and, obviously, not filming). You can tell this because they reuse the same shot before and after L/A show up (where the extra man is jumping up the side of the overturned car). In any case, right before Rob and Amber show up, there's a low shot of the whole scene, and you can see eight total people (four from each car), seven of whom are not injured. Given the camera angle, it looks like the camera was placed on the ground to keep filming, explaining why the cameraman (the eighth person) would have been in the shot (assuming even more crew-types hadn't gotten there). Anyway, the summary of all that is that there were at least two non-injured people besides the brothers there when L/A arrived on scene, and at least seven non-injured people there when Rob and Amber drove by. Geez, I can't believe how much time I just spend looking at that tape. You'd think it was the Zapruder film or something. 
By the way, I'm in the true/Kimmah/etc. camp in all this.
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dirob 92 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 03:27 PM (EST)
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114. "RE: Better evidence." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-05 AT 03:48 PM (EST)>Dirob, the facts of your post,
>your knowledge, were not ignored.
> I did not state
>that Rob's assistance was needed
>at the scene of the
>accident. Your experience with
>TAR clarifies that. i apologize because i didn't mean to accuse you of flawed logic or ignoring facts. (i really shouldn't play the logic card cuz i didn't do too well in school with that subject  ) so i'll try to do this right and be more specific. btw, i also don't mean to wear my TAR experience like a badge or anything like that. i only wanted to try to stop/help a lot of arguments that were going around in circles. >However, Rob clearly stated as he
>passed by that he hoped
>no one was hurt, but
>this was a race, he
>wouldn't stop. This tells me,
>in spite of the communication
>tools of the TAR crew,
>that Rob did not know
>for sure whether or not
>anyone was seriously injured.
>So there is logic and
>there are facts to support
>the statement that he did
>not know how serious the
>accident had been. Ok here is where i'll admit that i will be guilty of faulty assumptions. Rob's statements aired on TV that clearly stated that he wasn't 100% aware of the real situation (serious or not), may have been said before the camera/soundmen were able to relay to him that everything's ok and there was no need to stop (if they did tell him at all). and i also read on another insider post that Rob was being waved by TAR personnel to keep on driving. so my argument here is that we cannot be 100% sure of the actual chronology of statements, dissemination of information and actions. >I also stated that in spite
>of the safety measures and
>medical personnel following the racers,
>that Lynn and Alex were
>the first ones on the
>scene of the accident.
>There was no one there
>but the brothers and the
>cameraman, lying on the ground,
>when Lynn and Alex arrived.
> Millions of people saw
>this on television. You say
>this might be editing.
>If medical staff had been
>there, it would not be
>logical for them to be
>standing out of the camera
>shot when the brothers and
>cameraman who may have needed
>their assistance were in the
>scene. What I did
>say is that since we
>don't know how long it
>took before the TAR medics
>arrived, assistance could have been
>required if life-threatening injuries had
>been sustained. I agree that we don't know how long it took for the EMT to get to the accident site and assess the situation to see if anyone needed immediate attention or to ascertain if everyone was ok. you said that lynn and alex were first to arrive on the scene. we don't know that for sure. the EMT following the brothers could've been there way ahead of them with enough time to assess the situation. by the way, medical personnel attending to people are still filmed. but if it is deemed unnecessary later on it will be edited out. to add to that if they have ascertained that everyone would be fine, they will be asked to step out of the shot but always at the ready. that's probably why we only saw the brothers, lynn and alex and the cameraman lying on the lap of who i can only assume to be the soundman who was a woman. don't quote me but on the replay i caught another person running out of frame during the wide shot interior POV from Rob's Humvee as they approached the accident. TAR5 Trivia: one of the bowling moms suddenly collapsed. EMT people rushed to her and the cameras were still rolling. Doctor said it was from heatstroke and she'd be fine. EMT was asked to step out of frame and cameras continued rolling after she was revived and stood up and continued on. we never saw this in the final edit. it wasn't a life or death situation so i'm guessing the producers probably decided this little bit didn't help with the story telling. the same thing could've happened with the car crash. again i am admiting being guilty of assuming based on little information.
>Since Rob saw that others were
>already at the scene, he
>was not endangering anyone's life
>by not stopping. So this should be a good thing right? but... >But unlike every other team, he
>didn't stop to express any
>concern or inquire whether or
>not the brothers and their
>cameraman were all right. Again that's a personal and subjective thing. it's his prerogative to stop/express concern/inquire or not. i believe he doesn't have to. you and even other Rob fans didn't like the fact that he didn't stop and felt that he should have. well...ok then! i don't know what else to say to that except we have a difference of opinion like 2 normal people i guess?
>It is also logical that
>if the TAR crew had
>informed everyone of the accident
>and status of the brothers
>and cameraman, the teams would
>not have expressed surprise upon
>seeing the accident nor would
>they have stopped to ask
>if everyone was ok. i don't presume to know what exactly was said over the radio to the cam/sound teams about the accident. like i said, the only ones who can hear it are the crew. otherwise you'll hear the radio chatter recorded along with what the racers are saying and the ambient sound. some cam/sound teams may not have relayed whatever the message was to the racers. if it was relayed or not my guess to what info was broadcasted was to keep moving and not say anything about an accident or to downplay it to prevent causing undue panic from the racers which may also endanger them. (In my head: "There's been an accident involving one of the teams. Inform your drivers to avoid or steer clear to the right of so and so area. Situation is under control...") Again, this is speculation on my part. and even if i knew about an accident, if i saw a humvee turnturtled like that i would be surprised too! Drawing from experience, what i listened to over the TAR headsets were mostly direct short instructions. they always limited the info given out or none at all. i never heard anyone going through detail explaining a situation. kinda similar to a policeman waving a crowd of rubberneckers away, saying "move along move along, nothing to see here, nothing to see, just keep moving..."
>Please don't continue to accuse me
>of ignoring facts and being
>illogical because I disagree with
>you. again my apologies if you felt that way. i never meant to call you illogical. what i was really trying to say is that it's hard to use logic in this situation given so few facts, very many variables, and believe me, the power of editing! shave a few frames here and there, cut a bit of head, add some tail, rearrange the sequence of clips and you could have a totally different story. and if there is one thing my editing teacher taught me that i remember, there is one thing that editing has total control of- it's the sense of TIME.
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Dakota 5619 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 04:04 PM (EST)
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116. "RE: Better evidence." |
>Again that's a personal and subjective
>thing. it's his prerogative
>to stop/express concern/inquire or not.
> i believe he doesn't
>have to. you and
>even other Rob fans didn't
>like the fact that he
>didn't stop and felt that
>he should have. well...ok
>then! i don't know
>what else to say to
>that except we have a
>difference of opinion like 2
>normal people i guess? Exactly. And your post, Dirob, was excellent. There is a lot of disagreement on this topic. But there seemed to be a point where differing opinions turned into "no facts, no logic, no evidence". There were facts and logic supporting my opinions, in spite of the unknowns that you've pointed out. I think someone even said that people who don't like Rob are jealous of him.  IMO, Rob is an a$$. He can be charming, he is smart, but no matter how they edit, I still think he's an a$$. And unlike past seasons of TAR, I'm watching every episode this season because of Romber. Burnett is sitting somewhere saying "cha ching!".
Final note: if you've got any inside info on Survivor, I'd love to hear it! And I might add that I will never understand why people like Richard Hatch or dislike Jenna Morasco.
Charter Member: Club Anti-DAW
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 06:10 PM (EST)
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119. "RE: Better evidence." |
now see, we can agree! I like Jenna! I have no problem with her win over Matthew.
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04-03-05, 06:05 PM (EST)
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118. "RE: Hey Dirob!" |
FTR, that was a tpyo. I saw it, but was too lazy to edit. In fact, I don't think I'm going to sue the preview feature for the rest of the day.
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