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"Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..."
anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 08:32 AM (EST)
 
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"Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the "racers" last night about Romber not stopping at the scene of the wreck last night made me LMAO. IT IS A RACE PEOPLE! This is not an experience in human bonding or a lesson in civics. It's a race. Let's look up race, shall we? according to dictionary.com a race is: A competition of speed, as in running or riding. Now, color me simple, but the purpose of being in a competition is to come in FIRST, right? Yeah, first. Okay. Got that. Rob and Amber approach the wreck scene. Clearly, the two brother-racers are standing up and walking around. Additionally, the boyfriends are milling around, as are other members of the CBS crew, etc. There is no sense of panic or urgency. No one is administering CPR. The car is on its side, there are no flames, no pools of blood. Why on EARTH did they need to pull over and check on the situation? They weren't first on the scene. They weren't doctors. What more was going to be gained by stopping and asking a question? The situation was very clear from driving by....there was a wreck. The hypocrisy that Lynn and Alex continue to show just flabbergasts me. They act like Rob and Amber should play nice to make friend with the others, but the others have made it clear since DAY ONE that they hate Rob and Amber, so why bother? It just sticks in Lynn's craw so bad that Rob and Amber WON'T play kiss-##### and try to make nice. The point is to get to the checkpoint first. The point is not to make friends. Go ahead and talk about what scum of the earth they are, sure, but decide what the point it....do you want a million dollars or not? Do you want to win the race or not? Oh, and would any of those other teams have stopped if it had been Rob and Amber's car that had flipped? The brothers, yes, I think they would have. Meredith and "whatshisname?" sure, probably. Lynn and Alex? You've got to be kidding me. No.fricking.way. 
Oh, how I hope Lynn and Alex go before Romber...that's all I need.
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HobbsofMI 15936 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 11:18 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-30-05 AT 11:26 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 03-30-05 AT 11:22 AM (EST) I'll agree but they should have slowed down just like the other teams did no matter who was there. I don't think Romber should be taking the pounding that they are but they do deserve some of it for not even slowing down and asking. If your team was there when Gretchen when down would you grab your clue and go or stop for a sec see she was ok and in good hands then move on? Edit: L/A is who I hope is the next to go....I can't stand them and their focus on Romber and not the race or the experience. 
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yourstruly 64 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 08:51 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Finally some sense of reason. I am flabberghasted at the irony of both the other racers and the people on this board. Romber must play nice. They must they must. Fist pounding on the desk. It is the right thing to do. Turn the other cheek. It reminds me of a toddler throwing a temper tantrum because the other child in the room has the toy they want. The little tot kicked at and hit at the toy carrying tot and then felt slighted that it would not give it to them. Why should Rob and Amber play nice to a group of prejudging, self-seeking toddlers? Do I like all the things they have done? No! but that is a reply I can say for every team except for Uchenna and Joyce. Get real.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 01:33 AM (EST)
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93. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-05 AT 01:46 AM (EST)When have Brian and Greg said rude things to Rob and Amber? The worst they said was: "No freaking way" when Team Malfoy stepped on the plane? When have Meredith and Gretchen been rude and horrible to Team Malfoy? If we're talking toddler behavior, then I'd say it's very toddler like to say: "Well Lynn and Alex get to be mean, we should get to be mean too!"
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yourstruly 64 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 02:18 PM (EST)
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115. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
>When have Brian and Greg said
>rude things to Rob and
>Amber? The worst they said
>was: "No freaking way" when
>Team Malfoy stepped on the
>plane?
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>When have Meredith and Gretchen been
>rude and horrible to Team
>Malfoy? The references from other team members and behavior evidenced briefly in different episodes shows that Romber have been ostracized from the first. I did not say they have been rude and horrible. I just think it is ironic that all clearly want them to win the least of all teams, but Romber should just take it. >If we're talking toddler behavior, then
>I'd say it's very toddler
>like to say: "Well Lynn
>and Alex get to be
>mean, we should get to
>be mean too!" Personally, I do not think it is "mean" to run the race the way Romber has. Maybe it is not how some people would run it, but it is not "mean". I am not sure where you are coming from with the above statement. Based on the what I have seen and the comments made, the teams came in already determined that of all people the Survior winners would not win. Romber already had the prize. They must not get another one. Fine if that is how they feel. I hope I would not be as shallow. But why should Romber try to make friends with their enemies or even play like they want them to. They came to run a race. In that sense the other teams remind me of a bunch of toddlers. They have to (play the way we say, stop when we stop, miss the plane because they did not eat, lose because they have already won, not fair.) because we say so. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa mine, mine, mine.
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 09:24 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Can Romber do no wrong?" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-30-05 AT 09:34 AM (EST)Of course they can, but in this instance, not in my opinion. I don't think ANY of them had any obligation to stop. They were just the ones who were getting flamed for it. If others were getting lambasted for not stopping, I'd defend them, too.As for his past comments, I've said things that I regret in the past, too. I just wasn't on camera. Hell, I voted for Bush...and Bill Frist twice. I'm not going to hold something that he did on a television show years ago against him on another television show. I don't know what kind of person he is because I've never met him. Perhaps he's changed, who knows. Who knows how much of that on S4 was purely for the camera...all that crap about the women serving him and Sean, etc. So much of what Rob Mariano does is for camera time and to advance his game that none of us know what kind of person he really is. It's all in a character. You can choose not to like him and I can choose TO like him. Please don't make me sound like an idiot every time I choose to, though. I'm not stupid. Really.  Miscellaneous Ramblings
--I get that you don't like him.
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03-30-05, 09:02 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Oh I posted on the other thread before I saw this.
I agree completely with your assessment, Another Kim.There were at least 8 people already there at the scene. I said it somewhere else, but I'll say it again. Not slowing down was rude, but it wasn't inhumane. I agree that L & A would not have stopped if it had been Rob and Amber. Good post, Another Kim.
I like the way you think, can I be your friend? 
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03-30-05, 09:05 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I've been lurking for a while. But with this I have to speak out.Why would they stop! I'm sure they heard the radio call, "everyone was stable", from their own sound and camera people. Nobody was being loaded into L/A's vehicle for a mad dash to the hospital. You know they had a helicopter for aerial shots, and it landed. Their not doctors/nurses/emt's, AND from being on other reality shows, they KNOW the medical team isn't far behind! This is ridicules to think that you should stop, H@!!, I bet the sound and camera people were telling them to go on, it would make better TV! That's what I think! Thanks for letting me vent!
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nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 03:38 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Oh, now I get it." |
Bingo!!!
 
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03-30-05, 10:47 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Kim I agree with you I looked at it like nascar when they have a wreck. The drivers don't pull over and see if they are ok and they are all in a RACE as they are on the show. But it is funny how on the show you have so many people talking about how that was a horrible thing they did but you never here that thought processes in Nascar. Just a thought
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03-30-05, 10:59 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I totally agree. I wouldn't have stopped either. I mean, there is obviously a camera crew there who was filming who is probably better trained to take care of people. I didn't realize that Romber were doctors. Other teams also drove by.
I hope gay boys are next to go.
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03-30-05, 11:13 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-30-05 AT 11:15 AM (EST)I have very little problem with Rob and Amber not stopping for the car wreck and I agree with many of the points made here. However, considering that Rob still has to answer questions about the lies he told in survivor and that he seems to have come into the race with a generally negative public image it might have been better from that point of view to at least stop and ask if anyone was hurt or express some concern. They are hoping to have their wedding televised, are they not? I think that if they want to continue their careers on tv they need to be more likeable. Of course I could be totally out to lunch here. Feel free to say so.  I still believe Rob should have won All-stars. I believe he deserved to win more than anyone else because he ran that game pretty much from beginning to end. I like the fact that he's very driven to win but his manner comes off as very abrasive to a great many people. If he just hoped to win the amazing race his demeanor wouldn't be that problematic but because, I believe, he hopes to have a career in the public eye I think he needs to mend some bridges with those who see conduct on a reality tv show as being symbolic of a persons true character. I suppose that what I'm trying to say, while rambling on, is I think a small gesture of concern here would have done wonders for both of their public images. *I have lurked on the survivor spoiler board since Amazon.*
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03-30-05, 12:06 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
'zactly
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03-30-05, 12:04 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I wouldn't have stopped either, so I guess Lynn and Alex would never like me.....oh the horror!I agree with a lot of others, if it had been Rob and Amber in the accident they never would have stopped. Now if the all hell was breaking lose and fires were burning and blood was spouting, yeah I'd be a bit upset they didn't stop, but people were just milling around, nothing looked dire, and heck their own camera people could have asked them to stop if it looked dire. As a side note, I work with Bianca's father, I think this is one of the reasons she doesn't think Rob is a good person, Her dad told me that TAR has added new rules now I guess, so if something like this happens again, I think the other teams have to help now. Cin 
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rasslinmomma 938 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 12:26 PM (EST)
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33. "I would have stopped...." |
...but only because I'm a nurse. I would have felt obligated to stop and assist in any way possible until other medical help arrived. But as soon as they got there, I'd have been putting on my boogie shoes.If I were not a nurse, I would have driven right by with no pain of conscience. Lynn and Alex stopped, but I wouldn't call what they did "helping". They looked like adrenalin junkies looking for a fix. Rob and Amber would have rehabbed their appearance somewhat if they had paused to holler "You okay?", or if they had refrained from making comments that come across as lacking in compassion. But that's not Rob's style. He doesn't try to be politically correct. If he's thinking it, he says it. I would bet anything that as Lynn and Alex ran around "helping" that they were thinking that the accident guaranteed that they would not be the ones eliminated. They just didn't say it. I personally like that you always know where you stand with Rob. If he's pissed, you know it. If he's happy, even the little birdies can't help but sing along.  
Yeah, I got it bad for Rob.
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03-30-05, 01:08 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Excellent points, Kim. As someone who began watching TAR this season with a dislike of Romber, I soon changed my mind when I saw how they played the game. Then last night, I decided my initial dislike was correct, so I came here to Bashers to give them the bashing they deserved. That is, till I read your post. So thanks, Kim, for telling it like it is!
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03-30-05, 01:29 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Actually, I think I saw a bit of a smile on Phil's face. I think he just might like Romber. (I didn't catch it the first time, but when I saw it later on again in the evening...there definitly was a smile)
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thecontender 136 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 01:44 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
You rock anotherkim!But I will say this: I would of stopped for two reasons: 1.- To ask if Lynn or Alex got injured.
They would of replyed no. I would of said darn it, that is too bad.
2.- I would of lit a match and tossed it at them and drove off laughing. (heck yes I am that sick) Rob is a saint next to me. But Rob did not stop and he said man that sucks. Getting hurt. I don't want no one to get hurt. All the haters missed that. Go ROMBER TEAM GO! I am now officialy a Romber fan
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03-30-05, 02:00 PM (EST)
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48. "For anyone who would have driven on..." |
With a quick glance, you would have decided that maintaining a lead which you already had on several other groups, INCLUDING THE TEAM THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY GOING NOWHERE BECAUSE THERE VEHICLE WAS FLIPPED, was more important than the increasingly uncommon courtesy of just ASKING if everyone was okay?Excuse me, but I think that's pretty pathetic. A few seconds of time is all they needed to show that there is a little place in their heart for someone who was obviously laying on the ground. You don't need to tend to their wounds or preen for the camera. Just have a little compassion for the camera guy who was hurt, that's all. Instead of saying, "It's a race, Phil," Rob could have said, "Yeah, I hope everyone is okay." But he didn't do that either. And people are bashing the brothers for not doing the same? Talk about hypocrisy! And pondering whether or not people would have stopped for them is not only a useless exercise in hypothetical daydreaming, but it reeks of the school yard - "I'm not gonna if you're not gonna". Give me a break. Just do the right thing, even when other people wouldn't.
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04-02-05, 04:10 PM (EST)
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163. "RE: For anyone who would have driven on..." |
>Instead of saying, "It's a race,
>Phil," Rob could have said,
>"Yeah, I hope everyone is
>okay." But he didn't do
>that either. And people
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>not doing the same?
>Talk about hypocrisy! You know what? I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if Romber did actually say something like "Yeah, geez I hope these guys didn't get hurt. But you know what? It's a race, Phil." Then the CBS editors cut out the first part, leaving only the "It's a race, Phil" part. Then again, it's Rob... who knows? Still, I likely would have done the same thing as Romber did - say "it's a race, we got to keep going and we'll find out if the brothers are okay when we're all at the pitstop." Like someone said on another thread... in a NASCAR race, when somebody crashes, do the other drivers stop and ask if they're okay? Nope, I don't think so. Nobody ever bashes these drivers for not checking to see if they're okay.   
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03-30-05, 02:15 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Well, I guess my post's gonna be the only post here bashing Romber.Yes, I do understand that it IS a race, but I do think that there are situations that are more important than winning a million dollars. Let's look at the situation here. The decision you are gonna make could potentially determine if someone was gonna live or die. I don't know what his situation was so the only way for me to find out then would've been to stop and ask if my help was needed. I understand that there was ten people milling about and a medic probably is already on the way, but all those are just ASSUMPTIONS and it really wouldn't have killed Romber to just spare a few seconds of their time to merely ASK if the person's ok. They didn't even need to get out of their car. All they needed to do was to stop for a few seconds. I also understand that they're not trained medics but have you thought that maybe you could've helped in other ways? Perhaps they might have needed a spare radio, a first aid kit, a car to drive to a nearby hospital, water. I don't know... anything at all. And I guess I'll never know unless I stop to ask. I think there was an incident a couple years back in my city where there was a badly beaten up person who was on a train full of people. Everyone assumed that the person was ok and other people on the train would help him, but no one ever did, and I think the person died at the end coz he was rushed to the hospital too late. I hate to think that the same thing could've happened to the camera guy. Everyone seems to think that Lynn and Alex wouldn't have stopped if it were Romber who were injured. I happen to think that they would. I hate Romber probably just as much as Lynn and Alex do, but if I were to be in their situation, I definitely would have. Even if I hadn't gotten out of my car, at least I'd have asked if they were ok. Anyway, whether or not Lynn and Alex would've stopped for Romber is besides the point since we can only speculate what Lynn and Alex would have done, but we can virtually take it for a fact that Romber didn't stop to ask if the camera guy was ok. I don't know about you but if the camera guy was my dad, I'd have liked to think that someone would have at least stopped just for a second to see whether he needed their help. 
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03-30-05, 03:17 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I'm not holding Romber to a different standard. From what I saw, one of the brothers were flagging for the other teams' cars to drive on ahead while I didn't see that happen when Romber were passing them by. If someone were flagging me to go on, that is an indication that they didn't need my help. But if no one did, then I'm merely assuming that no one needs my help when that may or may not have been the case. Of course if someone were to have been desperately flagging me down, it would have been completely wrong of me not to have stopped for them. But in this situation where I have no indication either way whether or not my assistance could have been needed, I would have stopped coz I think when it comes to a matter of a potential life and death situation, I'd rather err on the safe side. I didn't know what the situation was then. It could have been that Lynn, Alex, and the rest of the crew were busy looking for a first aid kit, a radio, whatever. Anyway it really wouldn't have hurt them to spare a second to slow down and ask.
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03-30-05, 07:51 PM (EST)
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88. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I am with you anotherkim.
But I would of stopped roled down the window and spit. Then rolled the window back up and drove off
You see Romber team is not that evil. But I am. LOL
Let us say Romber stops and get's out. What then? Stand there and look stupid? Donate blood on the spot? Sit there and wait to see if Rob the magnificent can pull a helicopter or an ambulance out of his rear?
I think Romber team is keeping it real in what is deemed a reality show. Do I think any of the people that stopped to ask if any was hurt really gave a rats tail? NO. They are just posing for the camera.
Now it's my turn to pass judgement on the rest of racers for stopping and I am saying they were not sincere nor did they care one way or another.
I wish people would just stop fronting.
Only problem is people now a days don't know how to keep it real.
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03-30-05, 03:50 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Every accident scene needs at least a couple of fretters. It's in the manual.
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03-31-05, 02:47 AM (EST)
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95. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Was there an aerial team? I always thought that the shots that were taken from the air were shots that were taken later with doubles just like they did on Survivor.My only assumption was that they probably had a walkie-talkie with the camera crew and probably a first aid kit. I highly doubt that there was an aerial crew following them everywhere they go or the production would have been awfully expensive. I would leave this to the clown but I just can't believe you posted that with a straight face. 
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nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-05, 03:53 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
At least helpful and advantageous to their DAWness.
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03-30-05, 03:58 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I think that Lynn and Alex were are idiots for hanging out at the wreck once they realized that everyone was okay.
No need to thank me for the free editing =)
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03-30-05, 04:20 PM (EST)
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77. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
ditto to all you said. I wouldn't stop/ give away any of my money, ect.
I'm greedy, and I want to win, even when its not a game. 
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86. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
At least slow down to ask if everyone is o.k.. What happened if it was a fatal accident and I am sure the race would be postponed somehow and no point to be the first like an idiot.
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87. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
It is amazing (no pun intended) how naive and hypocritical people can be.Did the TAR crew stop working when the brothers flipped?
Obviously not, or else we wouldn't have seen anything last night about all of this.
Heck, even "smash'em crash'em" NASCAR will stop the race if an accident is bad enough.
So why all of the hatred for Rob and Amber, but not for the TAR crew? I mean, you're not even a little upset at the cameraman and soundman in Rob and Amber's car?
They, afterall, did nothing to help their fellow crewmen. Some have said this sets a bad example for people in everyday life.
Anyone using a reality show as a barometer for proper conduct, needs professional help. And let's not forget about clever editing and the purpose behind it. These people have a cameraman and soundman with them all the time, but just the soundman was with Gretchen when she fell? We didn't see her fall bcause it made better TV for our first sight of her to be after her face was all bloodied. And any good show has a villian. TAR has ingeniously created 2.
I bet we have seen every time Lynn and Alex have said something bad about Rob and Amber, and vice versa. Why don't people want to focus on the positive?
When Meredith and Gretchen lost EVERYTHING, I said it was a waste because there was no way they could be competitive in the next leg with that much of a handicap.
Them not only surviving, but seeing Ray (I'm not gonna lose to these old people. They're about 2 decades past this.) and Deana get sent home, made it that much sweeter. Or was that just good editing?
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Ziapal 4 desperate attention whore postings
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89. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I thought this was a Rob-bashing thread. (No need to bash Amber. There's nothing alive in there to bash.)It wasn't just that he didn't stop; it was the comment he made about it being a competition, so that was the crucial reason why he went on. It was also his comments about Gretchen faking her fall and injury, about refusing to give the old folks the time of day, much less ten cents. It's naive and hypocritical to twist his words and actions around so that they are somehow admirable. That's not to say that all the other teams are lily-white, but at least they are Racers, not Survivors who have imposed themselves on another reality show. Please give Rob a dictionary so he can look up the meaning of the word sincerity. And help him with the spelling! Phil wasn't laughing when they arrived at the pit stop. He knows them better than we do, and he looked to have had it up to here with their antics. How many more times are they going to run into someone who's going to take them by the hand and lead them on their way?
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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92. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-05 AT 09:38 AM (EST) I thought this was a Rob-bashing thread.Actually, it was more of an invitation to bash ME for saying that I wouldn't have stopped either if you want to get right down to it. Surely you realize that his comments about Gretchen faking her fall were sarastic. Rob's tongue is planted so far into his cheek that it practically protruds from his ear. The other teams lie. The other teams berate each other. The other teams are mean and spiteful. Why is that okay? Rob has a degree in psychology, so I'm guessing he can probably spell sincerity. He may work in construction and speak with an accent, but he's not an idiot. If we want to talk about dumb, we could start in on some of the other competitors and go all day. Phil wasn't laughing, but he was also smirking. Phil says what he says for good TV. Period. He knows that Rob and Amber are the best thing to happen to TAR ratings since Mirna and Charla. And I would imagine they'll run into people who will help them as long as they are gracious and nice enough to warrant that help. Unlike those who get into little tussles with the natives in the markets or who stumble around lost for hours because they don't think to ask for help.
Miscellaneous Ramblings
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RatPat 48 desperate attention whore postings
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94. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Do you believe there's any ground between vilifying someone and admiring them? I certainly do, but you seem to want to go from one extreme to another.If you didn't notice the whimsical tone when Rob was talking about Gretchen, please don't ever go to a comedy club. It would be like sending a blind person to a Monet exibit. As far as giving money. The biggest villians out of TAR 6, Jonathan and Victoria, gave the most. That really helped their game and image, didn't it? Rob and Amber IMPOSED themselves on TAR? Do you realize you said that? As far as your Amber comment. There are a lot of contestants who would have fared much better if they'd had her attitude. Not once have you heard her berate Rob's decision when things aren't going good. How many more times will they run into people that take up their time wanting to meet them and get an autograph and a picture. That fame is a two edged sword. From what we have seen, Rob was the only one to know his boat driver's name (Carlos) and even traded hats with him, Rob reached up and gave a cab driver a slap on the shoulder and told him he was doing a good job instead of just saying "faster, faster, Por favor", they got lost going to the eating challenge and instead of freaking out like most do, they kept their cool and even laughed about stumbling across it. That's called making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. If Phil is fed up with their antics, he couldn't have been too pleased when the brothers were like "What?" when he reminded them of their camera man. The spirit of any game is to do your best within the rules. I fail to see how Rob and Amber have not done that. If you wanna see everyone looking out for everyone else, watch Barney!
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dirob 92 desperate attention whore postings
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123. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
>It's naive and hypocritical to twist
>his words and actions around
>so that they are somehow
>admirable. the jury would still be out on this one. from my comprehension of people's posts, most weren't admiring Rob for not stopping. they were just saying they would do the same thing. in fact, when you mentioned the word "admirable" that would be the first time that word or idea came into my head. it never was a question for me to find his actions admirable or not. it was a question of whether i would do it or not. or whether i agree with what he did or not. and my answer: i wouldn't have stopped. i would slow down cuz instinct as a driver seeing an accident is to hit the brakes just in case there would be unseen debris from the wreckage or someone thrown from the car which in essence is looking out for my own safety first. and in slowing down i could assess the situation. and from what i saw, this is what Rob did. nothing about admiration there. as for twisting his words around, people have just been quoting what he said. to be more precise, quoting what he said that was edited into the sequence. so the worst people are doing are speculating on whether Rob said other things that were not included in the edit. so i don't see any twisting there, therefore i don't see the connection to being naive and hypocritical. >Please give Rob a dictionary so
>he can look up the
>meaning of the word sincerity.
>And help him with the
>spelling! you definitely know how to spell sincerity but i think it is you who needs to look up the definition in the dictionary. if anything, it's Rob's sincerity that gets him into trouble and why people hate and bash him so. he speaks his mind without having to worry about what other people may think. if he doesn't want to dole out money he doesn't. he does what he does without having to defend or justify. that's pretty much sincere because that is how he is. he didn't stop to ask if everyone was ok. at least he was sincere. i'm not saying that all those who did stop to ask were not sincere. they probably were. >Phil wasn't laughing when they arrived
>at the pit stop. He
>knows them better than we
>do, and he looked to
>have had it up to
>here with their antics. see now here, you're speculating. who really knows what Phil thinks? >How many more times are they
>going to run into someone
>who's going to take them
>by the hand and lead
>them on their way? As many more times as it will take to help them win the race.
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143. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Look, I'm tired of you talking in circles.
In your post number 124 of this thread, you said
agree with ya Ziapal! But watch out, YOU'RE UNDER ATTACK!!!!
What did you mean by that, if not to warn the poster of what you thought was an attack? I have also seen you post all over these forums, warning people they were under "attack", or pointing out where you saw "attacks" against someone.
If you are going to continue to warn posters about what you seem to think are attacks against them , I am just suggesting you should notify a Moderator about these "attacks", by using the Alert button. Since "attacks" against another poster are against the rules here. So either Alert it, or stop claiming you see personnal attacks.
Because quite frankly, I am finding your posts tedious, and hostile to the discussion.
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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144. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
>Because quite frankly, I am finding
>your posts tedious, and hostile
>to the discussion.
Why don't you just choose not to respond to my posts then? If you find them "tedious, and hostile to the discussion" you don't have to respond or say anything, that's a choice you make. Your posts are always openly hostile to the MINORITY of Romber haters. There are only a few of us that are bold enough to post on this particular message board that we don't like Romber. And being that we are the minority, Romber lovers come out in full force and "attack" our OPINIONS (hence why I am saying they are under attack) about Romber. Being that it is one poster's opinion being attacked by 4-5 posters who believe in the polar opposite direction, I think that is an attack. I have, up to this point, not alerted any moderator of any personal attacks or anything so that has not been my goal in saying they were under attack (AGAIN IT WAS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK I SPEAK OF). It's my perogative to support the minority and call it an attack. It may not be a personal attack in the sense that they are being called dumb or stupid (though I have seen that done and do not appreciate it!) or something personal but it is an attack in the sense that they are pretty much alone in their opinion and 4-5 posters are giving opinions in the direction of loving on Romber.
I think it LAUGHABLE that my posts are hostile to the discussion. Those that love on Romber (THE MAJORITY) are actually the ones that have been pretty hostile towards those who hate on Romber (the minority). Some people have called the minority on these boards' opinions Dumb and Stupid. I don't recall any Romber haters starting their post with those words (but then again there are only a handful of us). Maybe you haven't noticed but it seems that only those who love Romber are welcomed to the group, asked "can we be friends?" and so forth. Which indicates to me that if you have the audacity to hate on Romber and post about it, you are in hostile territory---and the minority on these boards. Frankly, concerning yourself, your posts are always openly friendly and accepting to those who agree to love on Romber (majority). Your posts have, for the most part, been rude and mean spirited to those who don't (minority) love on Romber (I am not just talking about myself here either, I noticed this on another board with terriblue, don't have her permission to mention this but I do only to show I am not alone on this issue). So that being said, I will not reply to any posts you leave and I hope from this point on you will have the same courtesy for me---I would appreciate it.
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thecontender 136 desperate attention whore postings
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90. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Well said RatPat!
Welcome to the board You are another voice of reason
Clap clap clap!
I still think it was funny when rob said that the old man pushed his wife. LOL
Rob is crazier than all out doors
I am going to make a prediction here and say that Rob and Amber are going to win this thing.
How many of these people are going to commit suicide? Get out the Jim Jones Juice! lol
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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96. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Look, Anotherkim, you have a point, but let's look at the situation carefullyBrian and Greg and walking around, clearly fine. The boyfriends are milling around, clearly fine. There is a cameraman on the ground, with his head in someone's lap, clearly not so fine. There are no medics around. There is a very trashed vehicle up ahead Rob and Amber peer at the scene ahead. The first comments out of their mouths are not: "Geez, an accident, thank God everyone seems OK". They are not "Looks like help's on the way" They were: "I hope no one's hurt." Hope, not _know_. This indicates they had no idea whether or not anything happened and if anyone was seriously injured. Later on at the pitstop, Phil asks them if they saw if anyone at the accident. He proceeds to grill Team Malfoy by saying: "You just left them there." Now Rob is a lot of things, but stupid and bad at public relations are not 2 of them. He does not try to say the logical and face saving thing - that they knew no one was hurt and that he and Amber couldn't have done anything. He simply justified it by it being a race. And he didn't smile or look indignant. If anything, he seemed a little nervous. To me, this says that he didn't make a quick judgment call and decide that his help was not needed or welcome, it says he decided that regardless of what happened or who was hurt, he was going ahead. And he can tell himself he's not a medic, but how does he know the people in the crash didn't need water, a compress, or even a walkie talkie? As for Lynn and Alex not stopping for Team Malfoy,all I can do is quote what you said below and say that you cannot make personal judgment calls when you don't know for sure how someone would react in a specific situation. Until we actually see them in this situation, we can't say for sure that Lynn and Alex would do whatever
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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99. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Well, we don't actually KNOW what the first words out of their mouths were since we weren't there, but that's a debate for another day.If it was a true emergency situation, though, let me ask you this since we're being all logical. Do you think that the cameraman from Lynn and Alex's crew would have been standing there filming or would he have been helping out? Wouldn't someone have frantically been flagging down Rob and Amber's car asking for a walkie talkie and asking for help if it were TRULY life or death? If the situation weren't under control, don't you think someone would have indicated that as Rob and Amber drove on by? They didn't. It didn't appear to be a serious accident. This is NOT the same as driving up on a wreck on the side of the interstate. Not at all. A flipped over car and a guy lying on the side of the road with plenty of help and no signs of obvious distress does not give the appearance of an emergency. It is an unfortunate situation. And they have nothing to save face for. It IS a race. They didn't need to stop because there was nothing for them to do at that poit.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 11:04 AM (EST)
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109. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-05 AT 11:08 AM (EST)It's true that we didn't see the brothers or Lynn and Alex flagging down anyone. However, people have been known to look perfectly fine and then pass out from shock, internal injuries and what not. If this were a true emergency situation, then I'd have to say that Brian and Greg would have been SOOL (%$%& out of luck) because Rob and Amber didn't even slow down, meaning they had 10-15 seconds to to assess the situation. And if they decided their help wasn't needed, it would have been logical for them to say: "Brian and Greg are fine, we're going" instead of "This is a race; I'm not stopping for them" I'm not quite sure what your point about "they have nothing to save face for" is. Do you mean they had no obligation to put on a good face and ask if Brian and Greg were fine, because this is a race and whatever you do during the race is justified? If that's the case, then I'd say yes, they can do whatever they feel like to cement their position in the race, but they and their fans better accept that Team Malfoy will be called on the behavior. Ray was justified in making all the ageist comments about Meredith and Gretchen, after all, you're allowed to trash talk a competitor, but he should expect to get called an a$$ because of it. If you meant that Rob and Amber have nothing to save face for because they had good rational reasons for not helping, then I'd say again - why didn't he bring up those reasons? Rob is probably the most camera savvy of the whole bunch; why let himself get called out on the mat and get embarassed like a naughty child if he had perfectly justifiable reasons for driving on? He looked more than a little awkward when Phil asked him about leaving the team.
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102. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
All those thinking it was a terrible thing to drive by have you ever passed by an accident without stopping or checking to see if everyone is O.K. if there was already someone else on the scene? Of course you have. You had places to go at that time and you asumed everything was well in hand because no one was waving you over, others had already had stopped etc. Di you even slow down and roll down your window and inquire? Again of course you didn't.Nothing much different here IMO. Rob and Amber noted the accident and saw Lynn and Alex on the scene. No one was jumping up and down for Rob and Amber to stop. No one flagged them over. No one did anything yet the people on the scene watched them approach and drive by. No one gave any sort of indication of needing any further help and just let them drive by. Why the heck would they stop and/or slow down and ask questions in those circumstances? It's hard to play the high and mighty superior morality card if you don't even wave them over to stop if it was such a necessity for them to do so. At most you can say they should have rolled the window down but not doing that isn't a big deal given the circumstances IMO. Had they just driven by when no on else was on the scene then perhaps these things can be said but as it stands there is nothing to suggest they should have stopped and everything to suggest that the situation was in order and they should continue on (as evidenced by every other team getting waved on). There is nothing worse to someone providing first aid (as the other crew folks were doing) than having a bunch of people stop and start asking questions! There is nothing more annoying to me than people who think and pretend they are great people and then spend camera time telling the audience everything that is wrong with person A and B and telling half stories to other people to colour opinions of persons A and B. It's completely two-faced IMO. All I know is that Rob and Amber have consistently outwitted, outplayed the other competitors thus far in this race and have outlasted many teams up to this point. They are playing the game the way it has begged to be played. They are exploiting the rules and seeking and using any possible advantage. And they are doing it themselves and not riding on other team coattails to get this far unlike what we've seen over the past Amazing Race series.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 10:22 AM (EST)
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108. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
As a matter a fact, I have pulled over for accidents when there are no emergency personnel about. In fact, I spent the a good portion of the evening, hunched over an SUV, trying to help a family with a flat. It wasn't life-threatening, but it was a pain in the rear and they needed help. And I wasn't racing for a million, but changing a tire in formal gown and heels in Chicago weather is no picnic
All I know is that Rob and Amber have consistently outwitted, outplayed the other competitors thus far in this race
That makes it sound like they've been Colin/Christie smoking their competition. They've placed first twice out of 6 legs
and have outlasted many teams up to this point.
Every team that is still remaining has outlasted several teams
They are playing the game the way it has begged to be played. They are exploiting the rules and seeking and using any possible advantage.
Umm, what was their brilliant strategy and rule bender for this episode? They blew time waiting at the Fast Forward. They followed another team that didn't have a clue where they were going, resulting in Team Malfoy getting lost as well. Amber wandered around the marketplace aimlessly for a good 15 minutes before that local latched onto her But regardless of how good they are, they can still be jerkwads
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04-01-05, 03:46 AM (EST)
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129. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
We Romber dislikers have to stick together, aaron2kristie. The odd thing is, that I think a lot of their fans agree with us - notice how many people said they would have checked at least. I think it was just a matter of common human decency as well. Of course I just say so because I want to feel superior over others *rolls eyes*
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131. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-05 AT 07:24 AM (EST)>As a matter a fact, I
>have pulled over for accidents
>when there are no emergency
>personnel about. In fact, I
>spent the a good portion
>of the evening, hunched over
>an SUV, trying to help
>a family with a flat.
>It wasn't life-threatening, but it
>was a pain in the
>rear and they needed help.
>And I wasn't racing for
>a million, but changing a
>tire in formal gown and
>heels in Chicago weather is
>no picnic
I never asked if you had pulled over because most have done that as well. I asked have you ever driven by when someone else was already on the scene and the situation looked to be under control. You know that whole if you live in a glass house don't throw rocks thing. When they drove by you had 4 or 5 people standing around and 1 person being adequately attended by a second person. It didn't take a 5 minute question and answer period to determine that all it took was a look to survey the situation. Unless you have some sort of additional expertise to lend to the situation the only thing you are is a hindrance. >
>
> All I know is that
>Rob and Amber have consistently
>outwitted, outplayed the other competitors
>thus far in this race
>
>
>That makes it sound like they've
>been Colin/Christie smoking their competition.
>They've placed first twice out
>of 6 legs
No I didn't. YOu may have read that into it but what I said was that they have been the most consistent team in the race.
>Every team that is still remaining
>has outlasted several teams
>
You don't say. BUt some have been hanging on and only remaining in th erace because of other teams misfortunes or stupid mistakes. Rob and Amber are a team that are getting by through racing a good race (as I think are Lynn and Alex).
>
>Umm, what was their brilliant strategy
>and rule bender for this
>episode? They blew time waiting
>at the Fast Forward. They
>followed another team that didn't
>have a clue where they
>were going, resulting in Team
>Malfoy getting lost as well.
>Amber wandered around the marketplace
>aimlessly for a good 15
>minutes before that local latched
>onto her
>
Did I say they were brilliant on rule use in every leg or this one? No. Amber wandered around for a good 15 minutes...you know this how? So did other teams I'm guessing given it was a large market.heck Gretchen was buying diapers at what looked to be a convenience type store located by the market. Yep they waited at the fast forward...how long did they wait? you don't know. Nor do you know whether or not they had rightly predicted that it was a non-elimination leg. Nor do you know how far out of the way that fast forward was...it may have been a few minute side trip and very little time was lost. They made up whatever time was lost by taking the smarter of the two detour roadblock tasks. They have never ever been in any sort of real danger of finishing last on any leg of this race. It could change of course but right now they are the most consistent team and the best team at using all the little tricks teams you need to win the race. >But regardless of how good they
>are, they can still be
>jerkwads Didn't say they couldn't be. Nowhere did I say it. What I said was based on the editing I saw there was no reason for them to stop, and that it was editing. You have no idea if there was communication to the Rob and Ambers sound and camera guy etc etc etc etc. They assessed the situation, saw another team had stopped, that that team wasn't doing anything useful (i.e. it was not a crisis), the people weren't flaggin them down, the person who was hurt was already receiving assistance and they drove on. Nowhere is their any evidence they didn't slow down and scope out the situation. Seemed quite the opposite from what I saw. They clearly went by slow enough to see and account for everyone and everything. They didn't roll down the window? So what. It really isn't a big deal nor does it tell you a thing about what kind of people they are IMO. If it does I can tell you that every single one of us in this world is a complete jerk.
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136. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
>LAST EDITED ON 04-01-05
>AT 07:24 AM (EST)
>I never asked if you had
>pulled over because most have
>done that as well.
>I asked have you ever
>driven by when someone else
>was already on the scene
>and the situation looked to
>be under control. You know
>that whole if you live
>in a glass house don't
>throw rocks thing. This situation did fit - the family wasn't injured or anything and the dad was a big burly guy who was already halfway under the car. Everything was under control, but it turns out it was a good thing that my group asked, because the family had no flashlight and the spare was attached under the car. The process went a lot fast with me holding the flashlight, the dad and my date pulling the spare loose and the rest of the guys bringing in tools from their car. So I feel perfectly justified sitting in my glass house, thank you very much When
>they drove by you had
>4 or 5 people standing
>around and 1 person being
>adequately attended by a second
>person. It didn't take a
>5 minute question and answer
>period to determine that all
>it took was a look
>to survey the situation.
>Unless you have some sort
>of additional expertise to lend
>to the situation the only
>thing you are is a
>hindrance.
> Not if you have equipment they need or communication you can offer. I stand by my earlier comment that if Rob knew everything was fine he would have said so instead of letting Phil make a fool out of him at the mat >No I didn't. YOu may
>have read that into it
>but what I said was
>that they have been the
>most consistent team in the
>race. I said it makes it sound that way. >You don't say. BUt some
>have been hanging on and
>only remaining in th erace
>because of other teams misfortunes
>or stupid mistakes. Rob
>and Amber are a team
>that are getting by through
>racing a good race (as
>I think are Lynn and
>Alex). Nonetheless, if you're still hanging on, it means you've outperformed and outraced other teams > Amber wandered around
>for a good 15 minutes...you
>know this how? I pieced together a timeline from observing when Lynn arrived at the market and when Amber arrived at the market and what stage Amber was at when Lynn was done. Amber had nothing when Lynn left and that's when she ran into her 'guardian angel'. Even with the extra help, Rob and Amber were behind 4 teams at the mat and the camera did not show any other teams coming up as each team arrived to the mat. So estimating a 3 minute gap between each team, that's at least a 15 minute difference. I could be wrong though So
>did other teams I'm guessing
>given it was a large
>market.heck Gretchen was buying diapers
>at what looked to be
>a convenience type store located
>by the market. Yep
>they waited at the fast
>forward...how long did they wait?
> you don't know. Nope, but for all eithr of us know, it could have been 5 minutes or 1 hour >Nor do you know whether
>or not they had rightly
>predicted that it was a
>non-elimination leg. I don't know that, but how do you know they predicted this was a non-elimination round? Anwer is, neither of us knows for sure
>They have never ever been
>in any sort of real
>danger of finishing last on
>any leg of this race. I could say they would have finished last if they hadn't had that South African fan latch onto Amber, but that would be speculation > It could change of
>course but right now they
>are the most consistent team
>and the best team at
>using all the little tricks
>teams you need to win
>the race. Time will tell. I'd argue that Ron and Kelly are better at all the tricks needed - Team America has never been shown getting lost, almost missing a flight or coming in last > What I said was
>based on the editing I
>saw there was no reason
>for them to stop, and
>that it was editing.
>You have no idea if
>there was communication to the
>Rob and Ambers sound and
>camera guy etc etc etc
>etc. They assessed the
>situation, saw another team had
>stopped, that that team wasn't
>doing anything useful (i.e. it
>was not a crisis), the
>people weren't flaggin them down,
>the person who was hurt
>was already receiving assistance and
>they drove on. Nowhere
>is their any evidence they
>didn't slow down and scope
>out the situation. Seemed
>quite the opposite from what
>I saw. They clearly
>went by slow enough to
>see and account for everyone
>and everything. They didn't
>roll down the window? So
>what. It really isn't
>a big deal nor does
>it tell you a thing
>about what kind of people
>they are IMO. If I stand by my statement that if Rob knew everything were under control and his help wasn't needed, thoe would have been the first words out of his mouth instead of "it's a race, Phil." Rob is more camera savvy than any other racer on the show and if he had a justification better than RAAACCCE, I credit him with enough smarts to use that excuse instead of standing there shuffling his feet while Phil is giving him the evil eye >it does I can tell
>you that every single one
>of us in this world
>is a complete jerk. Speak for yourself 
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196. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
>This situation did fit - the
>family wasn't injured or anything
>and the dad was a
>big burly guy who was
>already halfway under the car.
>Everything was under control, but
>it turns out it was
>a good thing that my
>group asked, because the family
>had no flashlight and the
>spare was attached under the
>car. The process went a
>lot fast with me holding
>the flashlight, the dad and
>my date pulling the spare
>loose and the rest of
>the guys bringing in tools
>from their car. So I
>feel perfectly justified sitting in
>my glass house, thank you
>very much 1) were there other people already pulled over hanging around doing nothing? Not from your description of the situation. 2) IT WASN"T THE QUESTION I ASKED! The question was not have you ever stopped but have you EVER driven by. Two different questions. You answered one I never asked! >Not if you have equipment they
>need or communication you can
>offer. I stand by my
>earlier comment that if Rob
>knew everything was fine he
>would have said so instead
>of letting Phil make a
>fool out of him at
>the mat They have the same equipment as the other team that had already stopped and wasn't doing anything! What was the point in stopping. They clearly acknowledged the accident, that they felt no one was hurt, that the other team was doing nothing (i.e. not waving them over or anything) and that they didn't have anything to offer the situation. If you want to read anything in to this read into the brothers leaving and continuing the race when the replacement car came yet having no idea the guy was O.K. based on Phil mentioning it to them and them looking releived. Or for that matter every team continued the race without knowing the status of the injured person.
>I pieced together a timeline..... I could
>be wrong though
yes you could be wrong because you didn't edit the show. It seemed to show she had nothing but so what? They didn't lose much time that couldn't be made up elsewhere. They were never in real danger of being eliminated. I fully acknowledge it was their worst leg of the race but their worst leg was still better than most other teams normal leg. >So
>>did other teams I'm guessing
>>given it was a large
>>market.heck Gretchen was buying diapers
>>at what looked to be
>>a convenience type store located
>>by the market. Yep
>>they waited at the fast
>>forward...how long did they wait?
>> you don't know. >I don't know that, but how
>do you know they predicted
>this was a non-elimination round?
>Anwer is, neither of us
>knows for sure Exactly so the only thing we have to go on is their finishes and consistently being with the top of the pack, winning and never being close to being eliminated. That's a very strong consistent race. >I could say they would have
>finished last if they hadn't
>had that South African fan
>latch onto Amber, but that
>would be speculation They had over a two hour lead on the last place team when they started the next leg. Speculate away but I think in this case speculation will not lead you to that conclusion.
>I stand by my statement that
>if Rob knew everything were
>under control and his help
>wasn't needed, thoe would have
>been the first words out
>of his mouth instead of
>"it's a race, Phil." Rob
>is more camera savvy than
>any other racer on the
>show and if he had
>a justification better than RAAACCCE,
>I credit him with enough
>smarts to use that excuse
>instead of standing there shuffling
>his feet while Phil is
>giving him the evil eye
Why? For all you know Phil was simply fed information as Rob and Amber didn't stop at the accident not that they saw and felt the situation was under control because there wa already a team at the site doing nothing. For all you know there was editing or that Rob and Amber explained why they didn't stop beyond it's a race etc etc etc. You don't know but are simply SPECULATING all of this. That in the end is the point. Based on the editing of the situation which is all you have to go on there was no obvious reason for them to stop. End of story.
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nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings
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04-05-05, 11:28 AM (EST)
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198. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
This situation did fit - the family wasn't injured or anything and the dad was a big burly guy who was already halfway under the car. Everything was under control, but it turns out it was a good thing that my group asked, because the family had no flashlight and the spare was attached under the car. The process went a lot fast with me holding the flashlight, the dad and my date pulling the spare loose and the rest of the guys bringing in tools from their car. So I feel perfectly justified sitting in my glass house, thank you very much But did this family have a sound guy and a camera man with a radio and a helicopter and a chase car with a medic following them, and another car full already stopped to help them? Cuz evidently Brian and Greg did. So whether you did or didn't stop for that family is immaterial to whether Rob shoulda stopped because the two situations are COMPLETELY different. You can sit in your glass house all you want, but that judgemental attitude makes you no better than how you see Rob, IMO. For all you know there was editing or that Rob and Amber explained why they didn't stop beyond it's a race etc etc etc. You don't know but are simply SPECULATING all of this. And that's the key right there. The show is being edited to tell a story, an none of us really know what's happening. In this case, though, some are speculating based on their feelings about the characters rather than based on facts that we know.
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04-01-05, 04:18 PM (EST)
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134. "FTR" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-05 AT 04:20 PM (EST)That makes it sound like they've been Colin/Christie smoking their competition. They've placed first twice out of 6 legs Only 2 first place finishes in the first 6 legs? Here is the exhaustive list of teams in the history of this show who have 2 non-FF first place finishes in the first 6 legs:
Kris/Jon
Aaron/Hayden
Colin/Christie (3 total: 2 non-FF, 1 FF)
Ken/Gerrard (3 total: 2 non-FF, 1 FF) That's it. End of list. Comparing them to Colin/not-Colin, in particular: R/A's finishes first 6 legs: 3, 1, 5, 1, 5, 2 (1st place finishes: 2, Average finish: 2.67) C/C's finishes first 6 legs: 7, 6, 1, 2, 1, 1 (1st place finishes: 3, Average finish: 3.00) Looks pretty similar to me at this stage. YMMV.  Fester
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joatmon 68 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-05, 10:19 AM (EST)
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106. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I am a romber fan but I do think that Rob should have at least slowed and asked if they were all set. Drtantalum's comparison to stopping on a highway are not the same in my opinion. In "civilization" you have cell phones, emergency service etc. Also the speeds are much reduded driving on dirt. They actually seemed to be going pretty slow by the wreck so it wouldn't have hurt to pause for a few.
With that said, every time a segment ends I wonder what the tension is like between Romber and most, if not all, the other teams. They spend a lot of down time together and Rob and Amber don't seem to have made any friends. So with L/A already stopped and other my congenial teams directly behind, Rob may have decided it wasn't worth it.
I know this contradicts my first statement. I don't think Rob was correct. I was just trying to give a reason why he may not have wanted to stop. Other than the obvious race thing.
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03-31-05, 10:22 AM (EST)
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107. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
This is why I.heart.the Kimmah! I was actually at my Dad's watching this. Now I like Rob and Amber, my Dad CANNOT stand them. He thinks they have an unfair advantage because they've been on reality shows before, etc., etc. I've tried to talk reason into him, but that's beside the point. After the Rob and Amber drive by, I looked at Dad and said I would have done the same thing and he said he would have too. It's a similar situation to going by an accident on the road. If I was the first one on the scene, I would have stopped to see that everyone was okay and offer any assistance. If there are others on the scene, as Lynn and Alex were, I would have kept going. What really ticked me off about this whole sequence was how Lynn and Alex told Ron and Kelly what Rob and Amber had done and Kelly was all "We have to beat them now, that's not fair what they did." Okay, don't judge if you weren't even there! 
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03-31-05, 11:06 AM (EST)
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110. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I've always been taught that if you pass the scene of an accident and there is already help there, you do NOT stop unless you can actually HELP in some way. If you can't help, you are nothing but a hindrance to those who can help. I wasn't aware that Rob or Amber had great medical expertise that could have been helpful to the cameraman. As for asking if everyone was ok, I don't know if I would have said anything either when I saw Lynn/Alex standing there, too. The happy boys have made it very clear that they hate Romber, and anything Romber does will be used against them by those two. If they had said anything, Lynn/Alex probably would have sniped "I hate those b!tches" or something when they left. As another poster said, if Rob and Amber are going to be bashed for not stopping, then we would have to bash the whole TAR crew as well. That would include the sound people and the cameramen who were (obviously) still shooting the scene. Why don't we bring Phil into it as well? Pretty uncaring of him to just stay there at the PitStop instead of rushing to the scene where help was urgently needed. I wish Rob had turned the tables on Phil and asked him why didn't he go to see if everyone was ok. I'm sure if he had, Phil would have replied "This is a TV show."
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trudy 171 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 00:31 AM (EST)
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122. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I've been wondering about that too. I'm sure he said a "safety guide" and wondered at the time what the heck that meant. I thought maybe because of the animals or something but it was never clarified.
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03-31-05, 10:55 PM (EST)
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117. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Kim, if we could stand listening to each other bitch, I think we'd make a fine TAR team.Now I'll go read what everybody else said.
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04-03-05, 03:09 PM (EST)
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174. "Excellent Question!" |
I'm going to answer what would meake me stop within the context of the race (because I think this is an important distinction). Requirement #1: The situation must appear to an actual emergency Requirement #2: There must be something that I think I could do to help the situation (not having a cell phone I don't know what I could have done in this situation)Requirement #3: I am the only one that could help (not that I am the only person in the world that could do so) but the only one on the scene capable of doing so. If the person's already recieving help, then they don't need me. (Also research indicates the more people around during an emergency the less likely you are to get the help you need) Sorry to those of you who it offends, but I could not resist referencing research. It's just the way that I am ~Tim~
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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04-04-05, 03:33 AM (EST)
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184. "RE: Excellent Question!" |
Hi Tim. I enjoy your research! As I previously mentioned, it makes me think. Thanks for answering the question I posed as well.
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dirob 92 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 02:27 AM (EST)
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126. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
yes you got bashed good too along with Rob and it took a while to get to the last post on this thread. (had to stop along the way cuz i couldn't resist responding to certain ones!) so this would be my response to as much posts that i can remember afer much mulling over and absorption of people's ideas in one fell swoop.i wouldn't have stopped either. i would've slowed down. why? instinct. any good driver upon seeing something on the road or on the path of the direction you are driving whether it be an accident, flashing light or something that may have moved in front of your vehicle will downshift, press on the brakes or do whatever to slow down so as to avoid having an accident YOURSELF. i slow down to assess the situation. so if its a vehicular accident, i 1st look out for people who may have been thrown out of the vehicle cuz you could end up running over them. 2nd i look out for debris lying around that may damage my vehicle and cause me to lose control. this whole scenario seems similar to the whole Rob not stopping thing. couldn't believe that some have posted that Rob didn't even slow down. impossible i say. if they had kept on going at the speed they were driving passing all the other racers, the accident scene would've been a blur. they did show their cameraman's POV from inside the vehicle travelling slow enough to see the brothers and L/A standing and someone lying down being cradled by someone else. but being from film production i know this shot could have been from any other racer's cameraman. so the solid proof that they did slow down was that they were able to recognize what was happening outside and say a what they said in the edited sequence, instead of heartlessly and obliviously zooming off past them as SOME had implied, not all of you. most of you pretty much voiced your opinions on what you would've done and passed judgement on Rob not stopping based on many things. now personal choice in certain situations i will not argue with any of you. if it really is in your nature to actually stop to ask if anyone was hurt regardless of whether you can really offer help or not, well then good for you. but i don't find it particularly admirable or courteous or compassionate. that's how you are and hey great. but don't call us evil or rude or lacking compassion or decency if we wouldn't do the same thing you would do. and i really don't think it would be possible to both slow down and ask if everything was ok which some people said they would do. imagine it, your vehicle is still moving (because you didn't do a full stop, you are only slowing down) so you stick your head out the window and yell at the people as your move away hoping that you get an answer before you are out of earshot. does it really make sense to do that? now some of you are probably asking why should you not call me or Rob lacking of compassion if i wouldn't stop to check even for a few seconds if everything's ok. it is because i KNOW with official certainty about all the safety precautions that TAR has at its disposal on every leg of the race because i was part of the local production outfit hired by TAR5 on their Southeast Asian leg. There are safety vehicles (called "chase cars or boats") trailing each racer's vehicle, each with a full complement of emergency medical equipment, communication devices and trained personnel. I saw all this available and i live in a 3rd world country so the african desert should be no different in terms of what safety precautions were available to racers and crew there. Helicopters for aerial footage with the vehicles in the shots are not 2nd unit shots, meaning scenes filmed at another time. It is too expensive to recreate those shots plus they have limited time in each country. now the shots that show landscapes and others, those are filmed by the local crew before the racers reach that country or region. so it is NOT an assumption nor presumption on the part of the posters who have noted that there were enough people around to help the brthers and their crew. PLUS each team's camera/soundman crew are linked via wireless remote headsets and are constantly updated during the progress of the race and any emergency message can be relayed to the racers if needed because they would be the only ones who could hear the broadcast. so we don't need to speculate about waving anyone down, waving flags, shooting flares up in the air, etc. there is enough communication for EVERYONE to know including the racers if there was a situation dire enough to have everyone stop for everyone's safety. now this is MY assumption. Rob may have asked the crew what the situation was and they may have said everything was under control so Rob decided to drive on. if i was in Rob's place i would've done this and continued on. i don't think he or i would be less compassionate. i'm not gonna comment on L/A stopping, or that the crew kept filming despite the wreck, or life and death situations. kimmah (may i call you kimmah?) i agree with you totally, i wouldn't have stopped knowing what i know that goes on in the production of TAR and i hope that i helped paint a better picture of the situation so that you get less bashed. (Trivia: Colin actually yelled at me cuz i was drinking water in front of him after his rock climb on the ascender, saying i was heartless. but we were told not to help out the racers in any way so i wasn't sure if i could offer him the bottle.)
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 02:40 AM (EST)
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127. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I am pretty sure the majority of the people on this thread have not bashed "Kim." In fact, those who have said they would have stopped have been the minority on this thread, so I am not sure why you are under the impression there has been a bashing of "Kim."
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-05, 00:02 AM (EST)
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146. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
>>
>um...the title of the thread is
>" Bash away....I wouldn't have
>stopped either...", but yes, semantically
>i may have written it
>in a way that i
>was saying people were personally
>attacking/bashing/criticizing kim's opinion. but
>not her person. Oh, okay. Thank you for clarifying that. I thought you meant those on this thread were bashing Kim's opinion when in fact the majority have supported it.
>
>but if you look back at
>your latest post, you said
>that "we are humans first,
>racers second", that's pretty condescending
>even without the actually hearing
>the tone of your voice
>saying that to us who
>believe that your sentiment doesn't
>really count. so i
>take that as bashing.
>(my apoogies though because english
>is my 2nd language so
>maybe i have the wrong
>definition or idea of what
>"bashing" really is.) Well Kim, the original poster on this board, states down the thread that she would be the kind of racer to check her humanity at the door rather than the kind that believes the way I do "We are humans first, Racers second." So I am pretty sure that this is at the core of what actually divides Romber lovers and haters. One group believes it's a race and no matter what the cost it is a race (besides who we are in this game IS NOT who we in life anyways, right?)! The other group believes that humanity, goodwill, should win out in the racer's character over the fact that it is a race. That is my take on our Romber divided groups. But no, my statement was not bashing on anyone. I quotted from racers in the last episode!
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-05, 10:25 AM (EST)
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152. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I should clarify that I would not:1. kick puppies
2. trip old people
3. pee on anyone's sleeping bag...except maybe mirna/charla (the tall one's_
4. put gum in anyone's hair
5. try to stiff a local
6. make fun of anyone not associated with the race other than those people who were first rude to me I would: 1. lie to another team if it got me ahead
2. lead another team astray if it got me ahead
3. give out vague or misleading information
4. bribe a local
5. leave another team in the dust if I had to
6. not give them money if they were out because they were the last ones to arrive in a non-elim leg
7. give help if they were injured and I could be of actual assistance
8. give help to any team that I was in an alliance with at that time
I would expect the same from the other teams I was racing against, too. If they DIDN'T give me false information when they had the chance, then stupid move on their parts. If I choose to follow another team blindly, good for them if they lead me in the wrong direction. Serves me right.
This whole "we are humans first" concept sounds great when you're at a keyboard, but the idea that you can play a game that involves racing around looking for clues with out schemeing and lying or misleading people is naive...unless you don't want to win. It's not personal. It's part of the GAME. Rather like the whole "outwit" part of Survivor. Miscellaneous Ramblings
--I don't feel bashed in the slightest, ftr.
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04-03-05, 10:12 AM (EST)
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168. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I wonder just how "human" teams are supposed to be in this competition?Should all the men let the ladies board planes and busses first? Should they hold doors for the old people team? I can just hear it now... Rob - "After you"
Lynn- "No, after you"
Rob- "No I insist, after YOU"
Merideth- "No, I couldn't possibly take your money"
Joyce- "But, I insist"
Ray- "Look, there's been an accident"
ALL- "Let's all stop, and wring our hands" ReeDicAless!
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04-03-05, 02:15 PM (EST)
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173. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
But wouldja: Trip old people if they were in the race? Put gum in Brandon's hair? You know you would. 
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anotherkim 14419 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-05, 10:30 AM (EST)
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153. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-02-05 AT 10:43 AM (EST)
First of all, yes, you may call me kimmah.Second, thank you for the clarification on the way that they run things on TAR. I have never for a second bought the idea that Rob and Amber were the lifeline to civilization that some have tried to portray them as. The racers knew this. They know that they are somewhat like hamsters in a cage running through tubes while the TAR people watch. No way did Rob and Amber need to stop and offer up some form of communication or first aid. This isn't real life. Not even close and it can't be compared to it. Third, I don't really feel bashed, but thanks for the support. I just totally disagree with those who see what Rob and Amber did as somehow inhumane. I've beaten that arguement to death. To me, this is a game. One has to have a game plan. I don't have a problem with bribing a bus driver at all. I think it's smart. I don't have a problem with snagging a taxi, either (or with Lynn and Alex doing it right back). It's smart playing. It's not 'evil'. You have to weaken the other teams to move ahead and that's part of the game.
You are my hero now, too.
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dirob 92 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 12:00 PM (EST)
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170. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
LOL  thank you for the welcome, my Divine Miss Kimmah! and thank you too, the Benevolent Buggy (i'd want to call you Buggah too, but its just too close to the british term for...uh...you know what.) i think its pretty safe for me to share whatever information i have from my experience with TAR5. that waiver/release form/scary legal document they had me sign would guarantee that my grandchildren's children will still be paying CBS for breach of confidentiality had i said anything to anyone before the episodes where i was involved in were aired in the U.S.! just played it safe and lurked for one season before finally jumping in on the "discussions". funny how so many people assume they know so many things from what they just see on TV-and how they get so affected by it. in my case, i know Colin was portrayed as the evil villain, but from the few days tailing him he just seemed really intense and tightly wound. he was actually harder on himself than christie but what they edited in was him arguing with her all the time. i'm pretty sure it's the same case for Rob and Amber...but i wouldn't want to be too presumptuous there... if you need to know anything else about the production of TAR, just gimme a holler!
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04-03-05, 05:07 PM (EST)
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175. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
That would explain Phil's comment about safety personnel as the teams were getting into their vehicles.
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04-01-05, 04:31 AM (EST)
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130. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Donno who exactly I'm responding to so started a new thread that probably addresses many people's comments. First of all, I rewatched the car flip section and this is an exact transcript of what Rob said (as edited by TAR producers): "Ah, car flipped over.
This is a competition, but we dont want anybody to get hurt.
You know, that's not fun for anybody...
There was NO WAY we're stopping! Well, it's still a competition - let's not get crazy" And at the mat:
Phil: Now did you guys see a wreck at all today?
Rob: Yeah, we saw the brothers, and Alex and Lynn.
Phil: Did you guys stop at all?
Rob (smiling, but I admit he looks a bit guilty/sheepish): No
Amber (laughs with GLEE! What's with that?): No, we didn't.
Rob (now he's looking gleeful in the 2nd shot, not sheepish): No, it's a race ,Phil!
Phil: So you left them on the side of the road?
Rob/Amber (smiling, nodding) I actually wasn't too annoyed at Rob for not stopping because I'm sure there's lots of help at the scene already and there wasn't much they could have done. I also agree Lynn/Alex were useless and should have gone when B/G told them to go, but I also think it was a very nice thing to do that they stayed. Eventhough they were useless, sometimes just being around and offering moral support is good enough. I'm a resident, and the things I think my patients have most appreciated is not when I am doing something useful, but when I hang around before/after surgery, just as they're dying, holding their hands, offering quiet support. So don't knock the power of moral support! Also agree that Lynn/Alex shouldn't have badmouthed Romber so much... they're being very catty to them, which is making me like them less too. And finally, agree that all teams that chose the corn pounding didn't make the right choice - the straws looked so much easier! BUT I WAS annoyed at Rob for:
- the things they said in response to the carflip. What was the extent of their "there was NO WAY we're stopping"? If he was exaggerating, fine. If not, and he wasn't planning on stopping even if the accident was more major, then pfffffffft to Rob. And the laughing/smiling at the mat with Phil showed no class/compassion. BUT agree - their coldness could have been editing. Maybe they said other nicer things that weren't aired. Maybe the laughs were response to other things discussed.
- chucking a tantrum at Lynn/Alex for not letting them share the bus when that's what Romber did, hiring their own private bus, in episode 1. It's their own private bus, not a public one - they can do what they like! If they choose to spend more money so they can have it all to themselves, it's up to them! Obviously, he can't take what he gives.
- when he said "I'm done being nice". They've NEVER been nice to other Racers! (but i agree - they've been great to locals, and I admire that they spent the time to be nice to their fans instead of rushing off to next location)
- saying what he said about Meredith pushing Gretchen. Yes, it was probably sarcasm, but some comments, sarcastic or otherwise, are better left unsaid! The fact that he can even think up such a comment, sarcasm or no, shows us how awful his character/mind are. I'm annoyed at Amber for:
- laughing at mat also
- not being able to make up her mind at the FF
- performing abysmally at the market until she had help As for Brian/Greg... the footrace to the mat was very emotional. All in all, a tough day for them. I'm not surprised it took them a while to register what Phil said to them about cameraman being ok - I won't bash them for this. I've been in emotional situations before, and I know how easy it can be to become one track mind in such situations.
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finallytyping 399 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-05, 06:42 PM (EST)
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137. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Could someone send Rawb to California after the race?
It would be nice to have at least ONE non-rubbernecker
on the freeway.
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watermelon 184 desperate attention whore postings
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04-04-05, 09:42 AM (EST)
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187. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Colleen, Elisabeth, Rodger, Paschal are some of my favourite ever players on Survivor... so I guess I choose the 2nd. I agree that people like Richard Hatch make the show a lot more interesting, but while I enjoy watching them on TV, doesn't mean I will condone their actions or like them as friends personally. Having said that, my favourite ever season of Survivor was S2, which had less scheming/backstabbing than any other season, imo. And the bits I hated most about S2 were the evil Jerri bets, eg beef jerky Kel. So I guess an honourable game CAN still be entertaining... though not always. As for TAR, my favourite seasons were the earlier ones, where the players concentrated on the race itself more, rather than on each other. I want to see more of the country/culture and less of the inter-team bickering!
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dirob 92 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 12:36 PM (EST)
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171. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
speaking of bad editing smells, i posted this to true in another thread-something to consider when editing arguments start heating up.here's another fact: i was invited to Los Angeles to observe the editing of several TAR5 sequences, not only the one's shot in my country but in others as well during the latter half of the season. I found out that so much footage couldn't be used because production personnel accidentally walked into the frame or entered the shot. Chase cars aren't miles away from the racers. they are pretty much tailing them at opposite side of the agreed camera angle so they won't be seen. but hey i saw signals getting crossed and when you thought it was just one car racing through a deserted area, whoops we saw 2 vans, a truck and the helicopter (all TAR personnel and vehicles) entering the camera frame all at the same time! too bad cuz it was a great shot of the vehicle flying over a small ridge and landing almost flipping over the front. obviously they couldn't use that in the edit. editing is a wonderful tool in story telling and a mighty weapon in covering up mistakes!
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04-02-05, 01:35 PM (EST)
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162. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I agree with you about Lynn and Alex. I did not like things they did during the last hour of last week's episode either. The fact that they continue to make beating out Romber their primary mission is probably what will lead to their demise as a team. At the same time, I don't know thier true goal in stopping at the accident. Perhaps it was because they wanted media attention. Perhaps it was because they were really concerned. That I don't know and none of us truly know because we are not them. All I do know is that they stopped. What it may say to one individual watching TAR the other individual may totally disagree on. But none of us, unless one of them is secretly on this board, is in their head to know their true goal behind stopping.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-05, 03:36 AM (EST)
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165. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Wow, Watermelon, that was very impressive. Thanks for typing all that up. I agree with you that Rob's "I'm not stopping for anything" really makes him sound bad. Not to mention 'let's not get crazy.' Exactly what is so crazy about slowing down for 5 seconds? He did not say it didn't look like he was needed, he did in fact say he wasn't stopping for anything, implying that the brothers could have been lying dead on the road and Rob would have blown right by their bodies. I know the wrath of the Rob fans will descend on my head for saying that, but keep in mind I said that's the impression that his comment gives off and if he wouldn't do such a thing, he should learn to phrase his comments more carefully
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04-03-05, 10:38 AM (EST)
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169. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I think I finally get it. See, stuff like this- "I'm not stopping for anything" and.. 'let's not get crazy.' ..and I'll even add in the comment about Merideth pushing Gretchen. I see nothing but humor in these comments. To me it's obvious. I don't take these kindof comments seriously, I think they're funny. Lynn and Alex attept to be humorous as well, like with their STD and Compton comments. Difference is, they're not funny. implying that the brothers could have been lying dead on the road and Rob would have blown right by their bodies. Wow, that's quite a jump. Even if I took everything Rob says seriously, I wouldn't go that far. If you don't see any humor in these sarcastic remarks, I can understand why you'd dislike Rob.
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TerriBlue 147 desperate attention whore postings
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04-04-05, 00:08 AM (EST)
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182. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Well, YMMV. Humor is a very subjective thing. Somebody over at Television Without Pity was jumping on TAR6's Aaron for making the 'I'm good at handling asses' comment and how Aaron has no respect for Hayden and their marriage is doomed and blah, blah, while I thought it was funny. Likewise, I know lots of people were offended by TAR5's Brandon's constant religious references while I thought it was just his way of coping. Like I said above, I seriously doubt that Rob would have blown right by a fiery vehicle or a pair of dead bodies, but saying 'I'm not stopping for anything' just gives the impression that no matter what the scene was, he wasn't stopping. He should learn to say phrase things better if he doesn't want to imply that. If would stop for something, don't say you're not stopping for anythingOne of the rare fans who is indifferent to Rob said that Rob is probably still trying to play the 'Boston Rob' persona, but killer fatigue is catching up with him and it's hard to deliver tongue in cheek lines with the usual flair when you feel like you're about to keel over. So he's forgetting to wink at the camera or give his little smiles when he says things he doesn't mean. I'm willing to give Rob the benefit of the doubt and say that's the case here That said, I still think he's an ##### and I think that if he is in no shape to deliver his usual lines he should just drop the schtick and race
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aaron2kristie 110 desperate attention whore postings
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04-04-05, 03:37 AM (EST)
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185. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Lynn and Alex
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04-04-05, 05:51 AM (EST)
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186. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Rob and Amber.Like TJ said, we don't know exactly what happened on the show or whether the editing hid something else or whatever, but from what we were given on TV, there was no need for Romber to stop because TAR has a medical crew ready to jump in as soon as somebody gets hurt or is involved in an accident, plus they've got a radio/walkie-talkie network to keep in touch with all the cameramen. Who's to say that Romber didn't already know the severity of the situation through their cameraman and soundman? Regardless, the situation seemed to be under control with a bunch of people milling around and no apparent 'severe' injury ... so no need for Romber to stop. I'd just have given a thumbs up at the brothers and zipped right on by, then as soon as I met up with them at the pit stop, I'd have gone up to them and asked if they were okay.
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watermelon 184 desperate attention whore postings
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04-05-05, 10:46 AM (EST)
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197. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Huh? Is English your 1st language? Coz you don't seem to understand what I said in that last post or in my previous posts? (and incidentally, in case you think I'm bashing you about your language, I'm not, because English is actually NOT my 1st language either, but I feel I have a pretty good command of it. It's possible to have a good command of English even if it's your 2nd or, in my case, 3rd language)"Then you just contradicted yourself" No, I didn't. I said that it was a hard question because in real life, I wouldn't do either - i would stop temporarily, assess the situation, and stay if I'm needed or go if I'm gonna get in the way. If the paramedics have things under control and just wanna go ahead to the hospital, there's no use in my staying - I would just be getting in the way of them doing their jobs. However, in the setting of this question where we can only choose L/A or Romber's actions, I believe if you go and re-read what I wrote, I clearly stated that "I'd have to go with Lynn and Alex". "I won't go as far as to say "hypocritical", but would you stop or not?" I already answered that in my last post. "Or, like the Happy Boys, would you only stop cuz you'd be on camera doing it?" That statement is so wrong in a couple of ways: 1. You don't know me - I take offence that you're trying to judge me when you don't even know me. When I stop in real life, there are no cameras around!
2. I ALREADY stated that whether or not I'd stop for long depends on how serious the situation is... I did not mention anything about cameras "BTW, ordinary folks like us are not bound by the Hippocratic Oath." I know that! That's why, if you scroll up and read my previous post, I tried to present info in a neutral way and I also said that I did not fault Romber for not stopping - only for their later behaviour. In fact, in the post above, I never assumed either that the rest of you are bound by the laws/oaths that I am bound by. So next time, before you post and try to criticise me, please read and UNDERSTAND everything that I've posted first. Thank you.
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04-05-05, 11:36 AM (EST)
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199. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
Huh? Is English your 1st language?Well, I'm a Texan, so that's open for debate. "Or, like the Happy Boys, would you only stop cuz you'd be on camera doing it?" That statement is so wrong in a couple of ways: 1. You don't know me - I take offence that you're trying to judge me when you don't even know me. When I stop in real life, there are no cameras around! That was intended as a slam against Lynn and Alex, not you. So next time, before you post and try to criticise me, please read and UNDERSTAND everything that I've posted first. Thank you. Whew. I guess I've been told.
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04-04-05, 10:09 AM (EST)
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189. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
I asked the question that way because that was how TAR presented it.Phil didn't make an issue out of how they responded to the accident, with any of the other teams. With so many people ripping Rob and Amber and praising Lynn and Alex, I was just curious whose example you would follow. For the record, I'd do exactly what Rob and Amber did. In real life, if I was in a hurry to get somewhere very important and came apon an accident where people had already stopped to help, I wouldn't bother to stop and check if everything was okay. If I was a doctor or a paramedic my answer would probably be different, but I don't believe that applies to our two teams in this case.
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04-05-05, 02:32 PM (EST)
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202. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
It's not about right or wrong it's about doing the proper thing. Being human and caring for others. Did either of them know what the situation was, no. Did they know the cameraman was still alive, no. What if they needed a ride because both cars were out of commission and the cameraman needed medical attention? Did they know that wasn't the case? We are still in the middle of this race and 5 minutes would not have cost them the race. At this point in the race they both just showed the kind of people they are, mean. Not only that, of all the teams in the race they need the money less then any of the others. Do unto others as you would...
May people be more HUMAN to you if God forbid, you ever needed it. This was the straw that broke it for me, no more will I watch this show. I will not be part of this type of glorifying of that type of person. Give me a Rupert over a Rob and Jonathan any day of the week. It's sad time we live in when we have to have attitudes like this to make popular TV.
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04-05-05, 03:03 PM (EST)
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203. "RE: Bash away....I wouldn't have stopped either..." |
And yet the sound and camera people in their car didn't command they stop so they could get out. They kept rolling tape. Nobody knows the exact sequence, nor everything that R/A said. It's called EDITING, they have at least 12 hours of tape for each team per day. And have to par it down to a 1 hour, showing every team, deciding what makes good RTV and what doesn't. I'm not calling anyone NON-HUMAN based on a reality show. Just another rant. jjbyers
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IceCat 17285 desperate attention whore postings
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04-05-05, 10:57 PM (EST)
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213. "Too many alerts on this thread" |
Too many posts are being directed at commentary on other posters' attitudes and motives.Commentary about the show/contestants = good. Commentary about other posters = not good. It's that simple... read the Guidelines if you need a refresher. Locking this thread.
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