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"Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
So,
1. Hayden falls to pieces and quits the Roadblock.
2. Mary Adam falls to pieces and wants to go home. Right. Now. (but doesn't)
3. A contestant on American Idol walks away, despite having made the cut.
4. A contestant on The Apprentice up and leaves.

What is this? These casting agencies are falling down on the job. Who will be the next quitter?


Someone should start a pool or something.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Surveysez 02-09-05 1
   RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? ginger 02-09-05 2
       RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? strid333 02-09-05 3
           RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? ginger 02-09-05 4
               RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Seana 02-09-05 5
                   RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? I_AM_HE 02-09-05 10
                       RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Seana 02-10-05 14
       RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? I_AM_HE 02-09-05 9
           RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? tvgeek401 02-15-05 26
               RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? gerk 02-15-05 27
 RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Tahj 02-09-05 6
   RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? KObrien_fan 02-10-05 18
       RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Tahj 02-10-05 23
           RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? ginger 02-10-05 24
               RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Tahj 02-11-05 25
 RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? daddy brian 02-09-05 7
 RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? MsShel330 02-09-05 8
 RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? 712 02-10-05 11
   RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? PepeLePew13 02-10-05 12
       RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? 712 02-10-05 15
   RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? yensid 02-10-05 16
       RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Surveysez 02-10-05 17
           RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? Seana 02-10-05 19
               Aaron explains mikey 02-10-05 21
 RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? seahorse 02-10-05 13
   RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? okaychatt 02-10-05 20
       RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend? I_AM_HE 02-10-05 22

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Surveysez 2793 desperate attention whore postings
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1. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
Next up on "The Real Quitter"

Sixteen contestants race to be the first to hand in a letter of resignation. Sounds like a complete in one episode show.


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2. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"

Let's remember the pioneers of this genre:

Guy Whose Name I Have Completely Forgotten, But Not Tek Money, from Real World Hawaii
Frankie the Cutter, Real World San Diego
Osten, Survivor


Those are big shoes, running away from a challenge as fast as possible, to fill.

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3. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
And we can't forget that on All-Stars Survivor, we had TWO quitters. I know that Jenna M and Sue had their reasons but this is supposed to be the best of the best on the show.


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4. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
You're right! I'd forgotten about the horribly traumatic incident which FORCED Miz Hawk to take her toys and go home.



Still think "to Osten" is the appropriate verb, though.

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5. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
What is this "Survivor"?

I remember hearing about the sick mother, now that you mention it.
What summary should I read to learn about the other? And Osten?


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10. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-09-05 AT 09:00 PM (EST)

Osten - 7.6 (and every episode prior to learn what a wuss he was)
Jenna - 8.3
Sue - 8.6
marshall and lance were TAR 5.6, i think, but noone wrote that summary (I had 5.7, the week after)

perhaps we should just not have episodes numbered 6, like hotels have no 13th floor...

ETA - I think Osten may actuall be 7.7a, now that I think about it, but that partially rules out the evil 6 idea, so we'll pretend i'm still right . yep, just checked and osten is indeed 7.7a, Jims' great 'Outwit, outplay, outcast' summary

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14. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
Thank you I_AM_HE! I'll be sure to give these a read when I have a moment.
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9. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-09-05 AT 08:52 PM (EST)

yes, osten must be punished severely. he started this whole thing (ok, so i'd rather poke my eyes out with forks than watch real world, so i have no idea if they predate the paper tiger or not, but i'll blame him anyway). also include marshall and lance from last season's TAR to your list and the above mentioned Sue and Jenna


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26. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I am proving myself as an embarassment to TAR fandom, but when did Marshall/Lance osten?


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27. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
Marshall and Lance quit because one of them had his knees give out on him. He had been in excruciating pain for a couple of episodes and when they were at a Roadblock at the Great Pyramids they couldn't finish...something like that.


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6. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I, for one, don't mind it. It makes the shows more interesting and considering the stakes, it takes a lot of courage to quit. There seems to be a particular ethic in our society that quitting is always wrong, that it shows weakness or a lack of character. Many people find out in particular situations they are in that it was the wrong choice. Why should they have to stay?


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18. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I, for one, don't mind it. It makes the shows more interesting and considering the stakes, it takes a lot of courage to quit. There seems to be a particular ethic in our society that quitting is always wrong, that it shows weakness or a lack of character. Many people find out in particular situations they are in that it was the wrong choice. Why should they have to stay?

I disagree. It does not take a lot of courage to quit, it takes a lot of courage to persevere when the going gets tough. They all (reality contestants) knew the stakes going in. There is a definate start and stop to each race/game, so it isn't as though sticking it out and extra hour/day/week or whatever until you are eliminated will make things better by quitting instead of completing what you set out to do.

Take Lena and Kristy for example from this years TAR. They got stuck in a haybale roadblock that either one of them could have quit during, but they both stuck it out and yes they were eliminated, but at least they didn't quit.

Hayden and Aaron had been such a successful team. Why quit if you have maybe 10 minutes left to find the right lock? It's not like they would have had to stay up on the mountain for the entire night. Why quit at that point when they had come so far, what did they gain by quitting?

It is one thing to quit your job in order to make a better life for yourself, or to give up trying to work things out with an abusive spouse, those kinds of things take courage. It is quite another to get on a reality show that lasts 39 days or whatever, and then quit part way in.


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23. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I said that considering the stakes, it takes a lot of courage to quit. I mean that after everything they've already gone through to get as far as they have, and to be competing for the kind of prizes they are, to quit in the face of all that takes courage. They are letting lots of people down, including themselves, and they have to face the repercussions of their decisions. So, at that particular stage of the game, I think it takes less courage to persevere than it does to quit.



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24. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
It pisses me off when they quit. Other people could have had that spot.



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25. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
That's one of the repercussions that quitters suffer. I'm sure many people have said that to them.


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7. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I think if a contestant quits they should be given no money at all. It is a bad trend.
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8. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I started to play the TAR drinking game last night. Thank God that I didn't. I would have been unconscious halfway through the night.
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11. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
If you think about it, Hayden and Aaron giving up the roadblock when they did could have been a smart thing to do, albeit a huge gamble. Time was running out for them as well as Adam and Rebecca, as Phil said they had to be finished the roadblock by 7:00PM, before the last gondola thingy left. If Rebecca hadn't have been able to find her lock, they too would have been penalized 4 hours, but Hayden and Aaron might have been at the pit stop a good ten minutes ahead of them. Four hour penalties for both teams would have meant Adam and Rebecca would have been sent packing.


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12. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
True, but Rebecca had found the lock while Hayden/Aaron were still in the area -- the two teams went down together.

So, Hayden/Aaron simply quit. If that was their strategy to hope that A/R would fail to find the lock by 7 pm, then they should have stuck it out once they realized that A/R were successful and hoped they could quickly find the lock and that A/R got lost on the way to the pit stop. Nope, H/A quit, plain and simple.



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15. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
What were the chances of finding it within the next, what, two minutes before Adam and Rebecca caught the thing back down? I do not blame them one bit for not even wanting to bother.

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16. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-10-05 AT 12:29 PM (EST)

I am wondering if the penalty would have been the same for Adam and Rebecca if they had gone until 7pm and not been able to open a lock. In their case, they wouldn't have quit, but run out of time, unlike Hayden/Aaron who actually quit looking and left before the 7pm deadline. Just a thought. I would assume that the penatly for running out of time, would not be as big as just quitting.

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17. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I wondered about that too, cause Phil said the time they had to try to finish by. If they went to the end of their time, they did not complete the block, but they also did not quit.


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19. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
There was a brief discussion about this in Fanatics.

Also, this article on the news page of this site seems to say that if R/A hadn't found the lock, they'd have been eliminated. (6 paragraphs down)

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21. "Aaron explains"
LAST EDITED ON 02-10-05 AT 01:36 PM (EST)

Here'san article with Aaron's explanation (although the person who wrote it had F/K mixed up with A/R:
http://www.themorningsun.com/stories/021005/loc_crumbaugh001.shtml


Crumbaugh said the Tuesday finale made it look like he and Hayden gave up. Not so.

Their team and the team of Freddy Holliday and Kendra Bentley, the eventual winners, were atop a mountain in China. The challenge had the women try to find a key to open a lock. There seemed to be 50 keys and 50 locks. But after nearly five hours and bloody, bruised hands, no key was found.

Crumbaugh said that's when the producer gave the two teams identical options. Stay on the mountain and start again in the morning or take a clue and get a four-hour penalty.

"We had traveled 17 to 20 hours on a train across China and camped out in the cold,“ Crumbaugh said. Their cab driver got lost and set them back two hours. Hayden had been working the locks five hours when Crumbaugh and she decided to take the clue.

He told Hayden, "we'll have a race to the end and take the penalty.“ But just as he said that the other team member found the right key.

"Our hearts sank,“ Crumbaugh said. "It literally came down to seconds to losing a million dollars.“

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13. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
I think these contestants will have the stigma of a quitter with them forever. They will wish they had done things differently.


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20. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-10-05 AT 01:05 PM (EST)

<stigma of a quitter

Yep. The race is partially about persistence.

Hayden had a bad day and threw a temper tantrum. Then she quit. That's not a sign of good character.

ETF syntax.


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22. "RE: Giving Up - New Reality Trend?"
while i agree about quitting in general, i can't blame hayden nearly so much. they had had a horrific day almost entirely out of their control. they would have been eliminated anyway, so they took a gamble. that it didn't pay off, and that Rebecca found her lock immediately and they knew it wouldn't pay off doesn't matter - in fact, i think going to the mat knowing it was the end helped calm them down, refocus, and left them some dignity and peace by going out on their own terms to some degree, when nothing else that day had been up to them

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