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TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 10-17-02, 01:34 AM (EST) "What the FF?" Dennis and Andrew get the FF, and still finish hours behind everyone else??? Did they get an actual PLANE out of Mexico, or did they f'ing SWIM to England?? They left a minute after Andre & Damon, and a minute before Teri & Ian, and arrived nearly a DAY behind everyone else??? They couldn't find the flights those other teams found?? They couldn't find a flight to Miami, or New York? This was the absolute worst game-playing since Joe & Bill went out for lunch after winning the FF in season one. And CBS, so as to keep the obvious boot a secret, never told us when they left Mexico. BUT they gave us a few early interviews about how far they had come together as teammates and people and brack brack brack and I wanted to leap through the TV and wring his scrawny neck. Dad was soooo proud of the way Andy took over and took care of things in the airport. ...HELLO??? Boy this kind of thing really gets me mad. Can ya tell? These reality show contestants need a reality check!   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: What the FF? SkyDiva 10-17-02 1    RE: What the FF? AUJoey 10-17-02 2  RE: What the FF? FesterFan1 10-17-02 3  RE: What the FF? mikey 10-17-02 4    RE: What the FF? VA Slim 10-17-02 6        RE: What the FF? cmaybur 10-17-02 7            RE: What the FF? VA Slim 10-17-02 11                RE: What the FF? ELCinOhio 10-17-02 12                RE: What the FF? cmaybur 10-18-02 18            RE: What the FF? magic_star 10-17-02 15  RE: What the FF? Strider 10-17-02 5    RE: What the FF? SkyDiva 10-17-02 8  Slow Forward Boilermaker 10-17-02 9    RE: Slow Forward Strider 10-17-02 10    RE: Slow Forward Esbea 10-17-02 13        RE: Slow Forward Boilermaker 10-18-02 19            RE: Slow Forward cmaybur 10-18-02 20            RE: Slow Forward Esbea 10-18-02 21            RE: Slow Forward Bebo 10-18-02 22  RE: What the FF? ShowMeTheWinner 10-17-02 14    RE: What the FF? ulalame 10-17-02 16        RE: What the FF? Esbea 10-17-02 17        RE: What the FF? ShowMeTheWinner 10-20-02 23

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SkyDiva 9 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-17-02, 03:55 AM (EST) 1. "RE: What the FF?" LAST EDITED ON 10-17-02 AT 04:03 AM (EST) I agree.... I thought for sure Teri and Ian would be OUT this week. For someone to get the FF and then TOTALLY slack off to come in last.... let's face it.. they don't deserve to win.. much less be in the game. I guess he didn't learn all that much in cheerleader camp after all!   Top

AUJoey 39 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 10-17-02, 08:35 AM (EST) 2. "RE: What the FF?" I don't think they slacked off at all...just had a hard time for some reason finding a flight out of cancun. By the time they finally arrived in London at 9:30am the morning after all the other teams had gotten there, the first charter bus was probably rolling into Aberdeen. Dennis and Andrew were already well out of it regardless of winning the FF. There was no way they could have driven from Oxford to Aberdeen in time to beat any of the teams ALREADY IN Aberdeen to the pit stop.   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-17-02, 10:14 AM (EST) 3. "RE: What the FF?" That's what happens when you book your flights with Gutsy Grannies Travel. Fester   Top

mikey 1150 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 10-17-02, 10:49 AM (EST) 4. "RE: What the FF?" I didn't look back at the tape of the show, but I seem to recall them showing the arrival time of the planes. I think Dandy's plane came in around 6am. I think the last bus left at 1 AM. They said it was a 350 mile bus ride, so give it 8-9 hours. The last bus arrives at 9-10am. My guess is A-Mon and Tian arrived at the checkpoint at 3-4 in the afternoon. Dandy probably finished the tank around 8-9am, so they should have arrived at the checkpoint around 6 PM. It was dark when they arrived, so perhaps they got a little lost and got there around 8PM. In any event, they must have been at least three hours behind Tian and A-Mon, and maybe five hours later.   Top

VA Slim 450 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-17-02, 01:33 PM (EST) 6. "RE: What the FF?" They may have said that the distance from Cambridge to Aberdeen was 350 miles but my AA Road Atlas of Great Britain says the distance is 465 miles or another 2 hours further. The only way they could have made up any time is if the producers had allowed them to fly. I suspect that the producers knew that the FF this leg was a "sucker" bet, since most of the time in the UK was spent traveling on the road - the limo and the champange was like giving the condemned their last meal! BTW, sunset in that part of Scotland in August is after 9pm. Dennis and Andrew probably arrived after many of the first teams had left on the next leg!   Top

cmaybur 259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-17-02, 01:38 PM (EST) 7. "RE: What the FF?" << Dennis and Andrew probably arrived after many of the first teams had left on the next leg! >> Actually, if Dennis/Andrew hadn't arrived by the time the next leg was to begin, the teams would have been held back for another 24 hours. Teams cannot proceed onto the next leg until all teams have completed the previous leg. Chris   Top

VA Slim 450 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 10-17-02, 03:05 PM (EST) 11. "RE: What the FF?" Did the rules change since TAR1? As I recall, the Festers, the Guidos and Momily all arrived at the pitstop in Thailand after the first teams left. Momily was eliminated there and the Guidos and the Festers battled it out in China. The Guidos finally got the word to stop when they reached the cabin in Alaska because the race was completed at the Unisphere. No extra 24 hour layovers to wait for racers - I think that there was a situation in South Africa last race where the teams were held over an extra 24 hours, but I don't think that the reason was to wait for the Grannies, it was planned because of the travel arrangements for the next legt and the realization that the travel to get from Brazil to SA through connections in Europe could burn out the teams early and cause ripples throughout the rest of the race.   Top

ELCinOhio 215 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-17-02, 03:46 PM (EST) 12. "RE: What the FF?" One big change between 1 and 2 was that starting in 2 our buddy Phil is now there as each team arrives at the pit stop. So while in TAR 1 Phil only had to follow the last place team, he now has to follow all teams.. However.. I doubt they were all held up an extra 24 hours. In Tar 2 The grannies were SO FAR behind other teams had finished their tasks before the even left England. Dennis and Andrew arrived in London the same morning the first teams were in Scotland. Even though they still ahd to drive they took a direct limo, rather than waiting for a charter. If the first teams arrived at the pitsop at 8am, and Dennis Andrew at 9PM I don't think they would hold up all teams. They were only 1 hour after the first team left, so most teams were still at the pitstop. I think the 24 layover was for Phill, and not needed this time. Also in another post in spoilers I copied where Phil wrote in a 72 Hour time span, he got one nap on an hour hour bus ride. If the next 2 legs are all in Europe, could this be that 3 day span?   Top

cmaybur 259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-18-02, 09:27 AM (EST) 18. "RE: What the FF?" I was told point-blank that towards the end of AR1, when there was that huge gap between the teams, that the leading teams (Brennan/Rob and Frank/Margarita) had to wait for the trailing teams to finish the leg before they could continue. The only time this didn't occur was after Kevin and Drew's elimination when Joe and Bill were behind in Alaska. I asked Brennan specifically about the time issues in Episode 11, when teams left southern Thailand and flew to Beijing. Joe/Bill and Kevin/Drew didn't finish the previous leg (kayaking, diving, etc.) until the next morning; the same morning that R/B and F/M should have started off for China. I was told that they did not start that leg until the next day; they had an additional 24 layover. Also in Episode 12, when J/B and K/D finished the leg in Beijing the same morning that R/B and F/M should have been making their way to the Great Wall... R/B and F/M again had to wait an additional day for K/D to be eliminated. I asked Brennan when he found out that K/D had been eliminated, because I just assumed they were en route to the Great Wall and Alaska by the time that K/D were eliminated. Brennan told me that they (R/B and F/M) were waiting in the hotel the morning of K/D's elimination, and saw J/B return to the hotel, so they knew at that point that K/D had lost. It wasn't until the next morning that R/B and F/M left for the Great Wall. Also, in AR2, we know that all teams were held up in Cape Town pending Peggy and Claire's arrival. Chris   Top

magic_star 2400 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 10-17-02, 06:30 PM (EST) 15. "RE: What the FF?" Actually according to Phil... http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID37/308.shtml "The spread can be a half day or longer ... and if it's only a 12-hour pit stop, sometimes the first team is leaving before the last team comes in," he says. "That means I have to finish with the last team and then leap ahead of the first one to get to the next destination. So there's a constant pressure of trying to stay ahead." So that would mean they didn't wait for all the teams to finish before moving on. The Cubs win the World Series!Cubbies Win!Cubbies Win!   Top

Strider 580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-17-02, 12:53 PM (EST) 5. "RE: What the FF?" Since I happen to have written down some times... Teri and Ian arrived in London at 6:30 p.m. Dennis and Andrew arrived at 9:45 a.m. the next morning, putting them over 15 hours behind. Since there was not 15 hours worth of activities between London and the pitstop, skipping all of them didn't help. Dennis and Andrew's progress was edited in to look like it was concurrent with other teams' activities, but they were way, way behind. Strider   Top

SkyDiva 9 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 10-17-02, 01:41 PM (EST) 8. "RE: What the FF?" Strider... thanks for the clarification. Now it makes more sense. I need to stop relying on the editing to give an accurate perception of time.. and think back to the whole "Joe/Bill get-stuck-in-Alaska" situation. Usually I can tell who's WAY behind based on the time of day they arrive at the tasks.. but I guess with Dennis/Andrew SO far behind, I didn't realize it was an entirely new day.   Top

Boilermaker 260 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-17-02, 02:37 PM (EST) 9. "Slow Forward" I was originally pissed off last night and was muttering all night about "Stupid fast forward, how the hell can you be last if you take the F#$king Fast Forward". I mean it was the coolest fast forward ever with the tank race followed by the limo with champagne to take you to a freaking castle in Scotland with a guy who looks like he should be straight out of freaking Braveheart. What am I missing. I now realize that they arrived about 15 hours or so after the last team but why? Did I miss something during my commercial smoke break? HELP ME UNDERSTAND?   Top

Strider 580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 10-17-02, 02:42 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Slow Forward" They chose a very bad set of flights to get from Cancun to London. Strider   Top

Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-17-02, 04:07 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Slow Forward" Yepper....Yippy and Daddy were in deep doo-doo. Although they dont show their flight details, I noted that Teri and Ian's plane left Mexico City at 11:55 AM, and that DANDY's plane didnt arrrive in London until 9:45 AM the next day. Either they sat in Mexico hoping for a direct flight most of the day, or they had badbad connections. "The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, youre still a rat"   Top

Boilermaker 260 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-18-02, 10:35 AM (EST) 19. "RE: Slow Forward" I understand now, but still think that it is unfair and is evidence that the show didn't work out all the kinks in the trial run they do before the racers get there. Having the first teams get on the first set of planes, the second on the second and so on seems fair. Even the normal airport sequence where their are multiple ways to get somewhere that give a several hour advantage is great. The contestants have to use their brains a little. But allowing a team to lose even with taking the fast forward makes me think that this makes the sure less fun to watch and makes the intermediate roadblocks and detours seem meaningless. Worst.epsiode.ever.   Top

cmaybur 259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 10-18-02, 11:07 AM (EST) 20. "RE: Slow Forward" << I understand now, but still think that it is unfair and is evidence that the show didn't work out all the kinks in the trial run they do before the racers get there. >> Dennis and Andrew are solely responsible for getting to London a day behind the other teams. There was nothing "unfair" about their elimination. Did anyone catch them on the Early Show or Caroline Rhea? Did they explain what happened with their flight schedule? << Having the first teams get on the first set of planes, the second on the second and so on seems fair. Even the normal airport sequence where their are multiple ways to get somewhere that give a several hour advantage is great. The contestants have to use their brains a little. >> You just contradicted what you typed in your first paragraph. << But allowing a team to lose even with taking the fast forward makes me think that this makes the sure less fun to watch and makes the intermediate roadblocks and detours seem meaningless. >> Huh? The fact that Dennis and Andrew went after the fast forward was secondary. What if they had taken the train to Cambridge and found out that they'd missed the last charter bus? << Worst.epsiode.ever. >> No way. The worst episode, IMO, has to be Episode 9 from AR1, where the teams traveled from India to Thailand and had to cross through that pit of "deadly" tigers. Just plain boring. The twist ending with Nancy and Emily's elimination was the only thing that made this episode remotely interesting. Chris   Top

Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-18-02, 11:23 AM (EST) 21. "RE: Slow Forward" I disagree. The FF isnt a guarantee of first place. It would have worked for Dennis and Andrew if they had made the same flight as Teri and Ian, and I think they could have, of theyd have ASKED for an upgrade since there was only one seat left in coach. (the rules say they have to pay for a coach seat, but airlines routinely bump up full fare coach travelers, like they did for AA & MK but you usually have to ask) I would think that they DIDNT fly them to Scotland after the FF because it would have given too large of an advantage to the FF team(theoretically), since everyone else had to take ground transport and do all the tasks. They didnt "allow" the team to lose who got the FF, Dandy hosed themselves with bad flights. They arent the only team who didnt benefit from the FF..think Guidos.... I thought this was a great episode. Id have been really disappointed if any team had stayed in the race after falling a day behind everyone else. "The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, youre still a rat"   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-18-02, 11:42 AM (EST) 22. "RE: Slow Forward" >I understand now, but still think that it is unfair and >is evidence that the show didn't work out all the >kinks in the trial run they do before the racers get there. I disagree. I find it a lot more interesting when the racers have to determine the best route to the next stop, rather than having the options handed to them on a silver platter. That's where we see the decision-making, the risk-taking, and the resourcefulness of the teams.   Top

ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-17-02, 04:43 PM (EST) 14. "RE: What the FF?" Paging AndrewsfriendCJ for clarification... Anyway, I was really surprised that DnA could be SOOOO far behind. They were delayed for almost 24 hours at Cancun? Was their flight delayed and it wasn't shown because the flight was American Airlines or its partners? At least the viewers knew that the Grannies were far behind because they missed a connection. What happened to DnA? Kathy O'Brien... The Sole Survivor! (I'd rather be delusional)   Top

ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-17-02, 07:27 PM (EST) 16. "RE: What the FF?" Based on the sequence of events, the teams who arrived at the Cancun airport and booked their way thru to London from there (the twins, Gerard and bro) made it to London earliest. Those that took the hop to Mexico City before booking their flights to London had a harder time getting flights. For Dennis and Andrew, they appeared to even have a hard time getting a flight from Cancun to Mexico City by they time they got to the airport. Remember the cheerleader spending time on the telephone trying to book the flight that way rather than at the counter. I think they just couldn't find a flight.   Top

Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 10-17-02, 08:57 PM (EST) 17. "RE: What the FF?" I replayed this bit on my tape...apparently they were instructed to go to mexico city and catch a flight. I was wondering why they didnt go cancun to miami to london... "The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, youre still a rat"   Top

ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 10-20-02, 04:40 AM (EST) 23. "RE: What the FF?" Yeah, I suppose DnA had a hard time securing a flight from Cancun to Mexico City, but did they really have to take 20 hours to take a flight??? If there weren't any direct flights from Cancun to London, couldn't they go for other options like going to Mexico City or, even better, going to Miami to catch a flight to London. I can't say I'm a really savvy traveller, but how could anyone not think of this if they were stuck for so many hours behind the other teams? I really want to know what had happened with them. Paging AndrewsfriendCJ... Kathy O'Brien... The Sole Survivor! (I'd rather be delusional)   Top

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