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01-20-05, 04:15 AM (EST)
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"Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
The earlier season had gay contestants on the show who were totally open about it.

Now, we have closeted ones. This is not gay bashing just poitning out some facts.

Adam has to be a least suspect.

Also, does anyone else think that Jonathon (craxz guy) is a little dangerous when he keeps wanting to pick up young, african men as his 'guide' for the race?

There was no need for the last episode and he gets awfully close and nice to kids. Giving them candy and such, an dlets face it, its not in his nature to be a nice guy.

Houston, we have a problem!!

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... philly_gal 01-20-05 1
   RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... ARnutz 01-20-05 2
       RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... brvnkrz 01-20-05 3
           RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... ARnutz 01-20-05 4
               RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... Earl Colby Pottinger 01-20-05 5
                   RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... brvnkrz 01-20-05 6
                       RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... ARnutz 01-21-05 10
                           RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... brvnkrz 01-21-05 11
   RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... dabo 01-20-05 7
       RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... HistoryDetective 01-20-05 8
           RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... dabo 01-20-05 9
 RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... electro_shocks 01-21-05 12
   RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... brvnkrz 01-21-05 13
       RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... electro_shocks 01-21-05 14
           RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet... brvnkrz 01-21-05 15
 Locking this thread IceCat 01-21-05 16

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philly_gal 12 desperate attention whore postings
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01-20-05, 09:36 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
WOW dude, pull-up!!! I know this is the bashing forum, but you are way out of line. You have no right to put labels on people, especially pedophilia. One might wonder why you see what you see.

Also, being gay has NOTHING to do with pedophilia. Enough with the stereotyping. Adam is just a big spoiled momma’s boy and Jonathan is well traveled and lazy. He knows that it makes sense to work with locals, who will work for any small change (impoverished countries) and do a great deal of work (hence illegal workers in the States).

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01-20-05, 10:40 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
LAST EDITED ON 01-20-05 AT 10:41 AM (EST)

Perhaps you could enlighten me? I do not see how "giving candy to children" implies this poster was speaking of pedophilia. For you to assume that, to me, seems like quite a leap in your thought process.

He knows that it makes sense to work with locals, who will work for any small change (impoverished countries)

But over in fanatics you imply that the producers of the show are paying off the locals, hmmm...


and do a great deal of work (hence illegal workers in the States).

I don't see how this is related to this topic in any way.


ETF: spelling

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01-20-05, 11:12 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
Hi Nutz, you know I like you so please don't get upset by my disagreement. But I too read the original poster as accusing Jon of being gay and then leading into it being dangerous that he is giving candy to children. It did seem to me that he/she was implying that being gay and handling children should not be happening.

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01-20-05, 12:37 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
I do not think that we are completely disagreeing.

It did seem to me that he/she was implying that being gay and handling children should not be happening.

One could assume that the (original) poster implies that being gay and handling children is inappropriate. However, I did not read it as implying Jonathan is a pedophile.

I read it more as you did, that that the original poster thinks it would be inappropriate (if Jonathan were gay) for him to be around children.

Maybe it is time for the original poster to come in here and let us know exactly what he/she meant, hmmm?

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5. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
I think I have to agree.

Being gay does not mean you want to hit on children.

But Jonathan is another kettle of fish. We already see him as an abuser. We can also see that he always aims at the people he considers weaker than him that he can control.

Jonathan is the type of person who if he was gay I would not want around male children. But the reality is that Jonathan gay or not is exactly the type of person I would not want around children of any sex or age because he clearly is an abuser. And I am not talking sexual here. Jonathan verbal abuse alone is bad enough that if directed at any one child for a lenght of time it will surely cause that child mental/self-image damage.

May he never breed!

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01-20-05, 06:29 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
Nutz, I agree that we are agreeing. I see now what you were saying.
Earl, the only response I would have to your post is where you say that if he were gay you would not want him around male children. Where I will agree that I wouldn't want him around my children, no matter the gender, it is because he is an abuser. If he were gay, I would not say that I don't want him just around male children. The first sentence of your second paragraph sort of implied that if he were gay he would be a pedophile and I'm not sure that I agree with that.
BUT, I will agree that she should not ever breed, nor should Victoria because she will not be able to teach her children to stand up against abuse.


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01-21-05, 08:03 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
Of course I do want to point out that I disagree with the original poster on two counts:

1. I do not think Jerko is gay.

2. (and more importantly) I do not believe that being gay has anything to do with one's ability to take care of children.

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01-21-05, 09:36 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
I agree on both points.

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01-20-05, 08:09 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
Yeah, the giving candy to children bit is indicative of a certain potential, even though it wasn't overtly stated. But Spidey threw a transition in there, it wasn't absolutely linking one to the other. And I don't think Adam is gay. I think he doesn't know, or he's too afraid, or something. Or maybe he needs to grow up. Like Jonathan needs to grow up also. At least Adam is an open and honest wuss, Jonathan is in the wuss closet. Or something.

(Is that sorta what you were getting at, Ms. Spidey?)


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01-20-05, 08:13 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
Pssst... That was Spider, not Spidey... Confused me at first too.


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01-20-05, 08:24 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
Oops, my bad, Ms. Spider I meant.
(darn webheads, what a tangled weave or something like that.)
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01-21-05, 10:50 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
LAST EDITED ON 01-21-05 AT 10:52 AM (EST)

>The earlier season had gay contestants
>on the show who were
>totally open about it.
>
>Now, we have closeted ones. This
>is not gay bashing just
>poitning out some facts.
>
>Adam has to be a least
>suspect.
>
>Also, does anyone else think that
>Jonathon (craxz guy) is a
>little dangerous when he keeps
>wanting to pick up young,
>african men as his 'guide'
>for the race?
>
>There was no need for the
>last episode and he gets
>awfully close and nice to
>kids. Giving them candy and
>such, an dlets face it,
>its not in his nature
>to be a nice guy.
>
>
>Houston, we have a problem!!

We do have a problem. The problem here is you're making some serious accusations about Jonathan with little or no supporting evidence.

Jonathan may be a selfish jerk who abuses his wife and generally treats poeple like crap. However there's no real evidence that Jonathan is a queer or a pediphile.

If you don't like Jonathan, there lot's of bad things you can say about him that are true. We do NOT need to be making things up and start nasty rumors based on wild assumptions. Just because Jonathan isn't the nicest person doesn't mean it's OK to slander him.


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01-21-05, 10:56 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
Being accused of being gay is not the end of the world. I agree that calling someone a pediphile is slanderous but questioning his sexuality is not. And your use of the word "queer" is much more offensive than the original posters accusations.
This IS the basher board and therefore we are free to bash any of the contestants.

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01-21-05, 03:42 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
>Being accused of being gay is
>not the end of the
>world. I agree that calling
>someone a pediphile is slanderous
>but questioning his sexuality is
>not. And your use of
>the word "queer" is much
>more offensive than the original
>posters accusations.

You mean to tell me that using a word with politically incorrect connotations is worse than character assassination and slander? I think you need to rethink your priorities.

>This IS the basher board and
>therefore we are free to
>bash any of the contestants

Yes, you free to bash the contestants. It doesn't always make it right.

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01-21-05, 04:01 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Gay contestants: Open to closet!!"
LAST EDITED ON 01-21-05 AT 04:04 PM (EST)

perhaps because I am a queer, I am taking it too personally. I suppose I could hit alert and let the mod decide if it is appropriate to use the word queer in a negative way.
and there are no problems with my priorities.

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01-21-05, 04:44 PM (EST)
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16. "Locking this thread"
LAST EDITED ON 01-21-05 AT 04:45 PM (EST)

The original post contains statements that could reasonably be interpreted as an attempt to juxtapose homosexuality and pedophelia. As the subsequent discussion has indicated some people have, in fact, interpreted the post this way.

Also... the use of the word 'queer' is also sometimes problematic as it is both a word that is used in a perjorative fashion and it is also a word of empowerment as the gay community has reappropriated the word for their own use. It's similar to how the 'n' word is used for different purposes by different groups of people.

At any rate... the debate has been lively and tempers are starting to get a little hot, so it time to lock this thread and to encourage everyone to discuss freely but to always rememebr to respect one another.

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