The Amazing Race   American Idol   The Apprentice   The Bachelor   The Bachelorette   Big Brother   The Biggest Loser
Dancing with the Stars   So You Think You Can Dance   Survivor   Top Model   The Voice   The X Factor       Reality TV World
   
Reality TV World Message Board Forums
PLEASE NOTE: The Reality TV World Message Boards are filled with desperate attention-seekers pretending to be one big happy PG/PG13-rated family. Don't be fooled. Trying to get everyone to agree with you is like herding cats, but intolerance for other viewpoints is NOT welcome and respect for other posters IS required at all times. Jump in and play, and you'll soon find out how easy it is to fit in, but save your drama for your mama. All members are encouraged to read the complete guidelines. As entertainment critic Roger Ebert once said, "If you disagree with something I write, tell me so, argue with me, correct me--but don't tell me to shut up. That's not the American way."
""Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Email this topic to a friend
Printer-friendly version of this topic
Bookmark this topic (Registered users only)
Archived thread - Read only 
Previous Topic | Next Topic 
Conferences Starting Over General Discussion Forum (Protected)
Original message

Sexytank 2 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"

12-30-05, 09:07 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Sexytank Click to send private message to Sexytank Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
""Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
This show could be really great but the psycho-babble is off the chart, and most of it seems to be driven by Iyanla (sp?).. Rhonda seems just a tiny bit more real, IMHO..
  Top

  Table of Contents

  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... SimplySusi 12-30-05 1
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 12-30-05 2
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... alive 12-30-05 3
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 12-30-05 4
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... beckettrep 02-06-06 69
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... staceeturner 02-21-06 75
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... VelvetElegance 01-12-06 49
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Redbud 02-22-06 76
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Sues 12-30-05 12
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Ace 01-29-06 65
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... sharebear18_2000 12-30-05 5
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... JavaT 12-30-05 6
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... pegasustt 12-30-05 7
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovemydogdude 01-01-06 30
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Ace 01-29-06 66
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 12-30-05 8
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... mirage3033 12-30-05 10
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovemydogdude 01-01-06 31
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... mirage3033 12-30-05 9
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovelucila 12-30-05 11
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 12-31-05 13
               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 12-31-05 16
               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Soupy 12-31-05 18
                   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-01-06 21
                       Each of us a star . . . or a DAW Cygnus X1 01-02-06 37
                           RE: Each of us a star . . . or a DA... OklaBlue 01-02-06 38
               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovemydogdude 01-01-06 34
                   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Siouxsie 01-16-06 52
               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... sharnina 01-26-06 61
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 12-31-05 14
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Ace 01-29-06 67
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 12-31-05 17
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovemydogdude 01-01-06 32
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovemydogdude 01-01-06 29
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Kattrikk 12-31-05 15
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Soupy 12-31-05 19
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Kattrikk 01-01-06 20
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... pegasustt 01-01-06 35
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Siouxsie 01-16-06 53
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... GoodnightLittleBear 01-01-06 22
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-01-06 23
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... GoodnightLittleBear 01-01-06 24
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... SOfan0221 01-01-06 25
               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... GoodnightLittleBear 01-01-06 26
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Moondreamer 01-01-06 27
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... SOfan0221 01-01-06 28
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... dopeydwarf 01-01-06 33
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... pegasustt 01-01-06 36
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovelucila 01-03-06 39
           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-03-06 40
               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Baxtera 01-03-06 41
                   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-04-06 42
               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... AshLanie 01-05-06 43
                   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Baxtera 01-05-06 44
                   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-05-06 45
                       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Baxtera 01-05-06 46
                           RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-12-06 47
                               RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... flexy633 01-12-06 48
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Kozy 01-13-06 50
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Baxtera 01-13-06 51
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... beckettrep 02-06-06 70
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... 2Centz 01-17-06 54
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Emz 01-26-06 60
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Baxtera 01-26-06 62
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-17-06 55
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... teacherst 01-19-06 56
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-20-06 57
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... teacherst 01-23-06 58
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 01-25-06 59
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Rai 01-26-06 63
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... teacherst 01-26-06 64
       RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Shazbot 02-06-06 68
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... OklaBlue 02-14-06 71
   RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... lovemydogdude 02-14-06 72
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... Kaymoor 02-15-06 73
 RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya... C_Mar 02-16-06 74
   Warning - Brianca mysticwolf 02-22-06 78

Lobby | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

Messages in this topic

SimplySusi 30 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"

12-30-05, 09:51 AM (EST)
Click to EMail SimplySusi Click to send private message to SimplySusi Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
1. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
For me, I actually am drawn to the positive "babble" the LC's use. I have plenty of negative energy around me on a daily basis with people I care about who can't seem to live without drama in major doses in their lives, and for me, it's nice to hear uplifting (even if it's pushed, or faked, at least it's an attempt at positive energy!). I hope everyone who watches the show gets at least something out of it that is helpful to them.

I do however, understand how the LC's "psycho-babble" can be annoying to others! At times, they do take some of it a bit too far. I just enjoy having positive energy...guess I need that in my life a little more than I have it! There are days that a line that Iyanla or Rhonda or Dr. Stan use that really hits home with me (whether the houseguests "get it" or not) and I think that's what I really watch the show for. Sure wish the producers hadn't changed the format to be so darned dramatic this season...it's like watching Trading Spouses or Wife Swap some days!!!!

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

12-30-05, 11:07 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
2. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-02-06 AT 05:47 PM (EST)

Before one gets too enamoured with the life coaches and their philosophy, one should do a little research. Read some of the life coach related posts on these forums for leads, go to the websites of SO, Rhonda, Fearless Living, Univ of Santa Monica, www.agapelive.com, probably Iyanla has a website also.

There are big differences between being a life coach and a professional psychologist or shrink. Maybe it's just a shortcut to bigger money. Why become a psychologist like Dr. Stan Katz, or a shrink (that requires about a decade of schooling), when in just 10 sessions a year for a year or two you can be an LC and make much more money faster).

Iyanla got her "Master's" in Spiritual Psychology at Univ of Santa Monica, and that's where Allison will go to learn her life coaching. Check out the tuition rates!

Yes, many of the exercises make you want to gag. The demeaning things they put these people through. Remind you at all of a mental Fear Factor?

Yet there are things that occur on the show that DO help viewers, and there are problems that people can relate to. It has potential, but maybe is getting diverted in the search for Daytime Emmy awards like last year. The first season seemed to be useful. This season is sort of a joke. What comes up in these forums is sort of like a group barf.

  Top

alive 11 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"

12-30-05, 02:36 PM (EST)
Click to EMail alive Click to send private message to alive Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
3. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
It's very easy to be negative, to think negatively, to critisize others without knowing the whole story, to judge when we ourselves do not want to be judged-- I think it takes effort to speak something different about life, about a situation, and about a desire. The Bible states that Life and death are in the power of the tongue- Whatever you speak out of your mouth, you will create-- So when Iyanla says things like Be a great day.
She's reminding us all that life is what we make it-- All of the things she says are just a reminder that we are in control of our thoughts and behaviors....
  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

12-30-05, 02:39 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
4. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 12-31-05 AT 07:22 PM (EST)

I have never heard Iyanla quote the Bible on the SO programs that I have watched. Or Rhonda for that matter. Their philosophies lie more in the New Age-Ancient Wisdom field.

  Top

beckettrep 814 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

02-06-06, 07:50 PM (EST)
Click to EMail beckettrep Click to send private message to beckettrep Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
69. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 02-06-06 AT 07:51 PM (EST)

>It's very easy to be negative,
>to think negatively, to critisize
>others without knowing the whole
>story, to judge when we
>ourselves do not want to
>be judged-- I think it
>takes effort to speak something
>different about life, about a
>situation, and about a desire.
>The Bible states that Life
>and death are in the
>power of the tongue- Whatever
>you speak out of your
>mouth, you will create-- So
>when Iyanla says things like
>Be a great day.
>She's reminding us all that life
>is what we make it--
>All of the things she
>says are just a reminder
>that we are in control
>of our thoughts and behaviors....
>


Based on that rationale it would have taken just one person in, let's say, New Orleans, to wake up with a positive thought in their head and voice a positive vibe and all then would have been a positively wonderful day.......now considering Hurricane Katrina, and the devastation it caused, I can only conclude that Iyanla's so-called power of suggestion (so to speak) is just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo considering that there had to be at least ONE person in New Orleans, on the day the hurricane hit, that would have definitely been in positive frame of mind and thus helped to avert the devastation caused by the hurricane.

We can all think all the positive thoughts, speak all the positive words, feel all the positive feelings we want - but that is NOT going to change the course of history - as the saying goes SH!t Happens and all the power of positive thinking in the world aint gonna change it. JMHO

  Top

staceeturner 183 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

02-21-06, 01:13 PM (EST)
Click to EMail staceeturner Click to send private message to staceeturner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
75. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I just want to add, that I happen to think that the life coaches are very good at what they do I would do just about anything to get some feedback on my life issues from Rhonda or Iylana or even Dr Stan, some people may not agree with there antics but I'm one who happens to think that they do alot more good than harm.
  Top

VelvetElegance 72 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

01-12-06, 11:07 PM (EST)
Click to EMail VelvetElegance Click to send private message to VelvetElegance Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
49. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Where is eveyone getting this information that Allison is going to school to become a life coach? Have I Missed something at here graduation?
  Top

Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"

02-22-06, 11:09 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Redbud Click to send private message to Redbud Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
76. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
And don't forget to check the Univ of Santa Monica's "accreditation". Accredited by whom?
  Top

Sues 585 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"

12-30-05, 11:17 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Sues Click to send private message to Sues Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
12. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I kinda like the drama...otherwise it would be a reality show...ooppss!

Honestly, I take it as it is. Neither is a 'real' psychologist but they do come up with some interesting stuff. I think the 'sensational' stuff is because they have to pay the bills, but also, some folks need a real VISUAL wake up call (ex. baby cloths, blinders, leaky bucket, whatever). May seem silly but if it lights the way, who cares?

And make no mistake, these ladies no exactly what they're in for. How many (Jessica) end up staying? You can book any of them to speak and they all end up with their own websites...this is a 'wannabe star maker', with a mental twist instead of eating bug soup....

  Top

Ace 4 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"

01-29-06, 02:05 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Ace Click to send private message to Ace Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
65. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I agree. They should have kept it the way it was. I believe it will be just like all the others if they continue on this path. I have used this show to help me through difficult times sometimes. See a lot of myself in some of these girls.

  Top

sharebear18_2000 106 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

12-30-05, 03:29 PM (EST)
Click to EMail sharebear18_2000 Click to send private message to sharebear18_2000 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
5. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I wanted to smack Rhonda today , watching the rerun of her , with TJ in the deli. After seeing alot of posts here and watching with new eyes, Rhonda is downright cruel to TJ. The assignments she's been given are so much harder than anyone else's. She works so very hard on each and every one of them, and gets treated like crap . While Christina gets to go shopping for her son and Lisa gets to make jewelry.

I really like TJ ! I didnt for a while but now I do. She's awesome, I am hoping they dont edit out the uniqueness of her.

  Top

JavaT 189 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

12-30-05, 05:22 PM (EST)
Click to EMail JavaT Click to send private message to JavaT Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
6. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Just started posting here today, but I've watched the show off and on since the first house. I agree with what people have said about there being too much psychobabble. It also bothers me that the life coaches will send the women to places like "spiritual healers" and "spiritual psychologists" -- that kinda worries me. But overall I have to admit this is a show that grows on ya. I especially like to tape it via DVR and then watch it early in the morning when I'm not really awake. Coffee helps me tolerate the psychobabble
  Top

pegasustt 168 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

12-30-05, 05:39 PM (EST)
Click to EMail pegasustt Click to send private message to pegasustt Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
7. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
also notice how many times she (Rhonda) forgets things TJ and Lisa have told her repeatly about themselves. I noticed that the first time around. Something is off w/Rhonda this season.

TT

  Top

lovemydogdude 1253 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 09:48 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovemydogdude Click to send private message to lovemydogdude Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
30. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
what things did they forget? Just curious..can't remember but would love to have noticed that too..Thx
  Top

Ace 4 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"

01-29-06, 02:08 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Ace Click to send private message to Ace Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
66. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Ya, but I think she is a bit busy these days.
  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

12-30-05, 05:42 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
8. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I thought Rhonda was pretty good with TJ when they were discussing the rape. But the deli???? And she should have removed the earplugs and sunglasses from TJ. That type of discussion would have been better somewhere less public, maybe? You know Rhonda knows the background on these ladies from their applications...
  Top

mirage3033 100 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

12-30-05, 10:59 PM (EST)
Click to EMail mirage3033 Click to send private message to mirage3033 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
10. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
OklaBlue I thought it was too public of a place to discuss the rapes, how bizarre. TJ was muzzled tho and maybe didn' notice her surroundings. I wonder if the deli was closed to the public, would have to be to set up the lights and camera. Maybe the reason Rhonda had such a heavy session out of the house was to protect TJ from the jackals. and not steal any of someones thunder.
  Top

lovemydogdude 1253 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 09:51 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovemydogdude Click to send private message to lovemydogdude Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
31. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Interesting..hadn't thought about the fact that Rhonda probly knew about her rape since application..and yes I do agree once they started talking about that it seemed inhumane to keep the glasses and earplugs on during..but now that you mention it the lesson and the discussion were so at the same time..it was meant to remind her of how horrible it was that she didn't feel seen or heard..hmmmm?
  Top

mirage3033 100 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

12-30-05, 10:49 PM (EST)
Click to EMail mirage3033 Click to send private message to mirage3033 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
9. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I thought it was a great exercise but TJ should not have been the one to wear the blinders. Rhonda should have had the other HG wear them. They collectively just don't get TJ. maybe they would be able to develop a little bit of emphathy. that is what is lacking in this group of women. NO EMPATHY. TJ had loads maybe too much because of her handicaps. my daughter was like this, epelepy and the medication to treat it while she was growing up. She was far more sensitive and emphathetic than her classmates. This group is terrifically immature. they all need to be regressed to the point they were stunted and go from there. oh, that is what all the exercises are for.
  Top

lovelucila 55 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

12-30-05, 11:10 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovelucila Click to send private message to lovelucila Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
11. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 12-30-05 AT 11:25 PM (EST)

Iyanla goes to my church. She gives talks sometimes. She quotes the bible alot. I don't see how someone can't notice that simply from the way she will carry herself. Its obvious to me that she is a praying women. Im not sure were you are doing all the research but alot of what you think about & are saying about Iyanla is not true. I happen to be a member of Agape. Iyanla was raised with a baptist background. When she does speak at my church she mostly reads from the bible. Although what does that have to do with anything. We can respect peoples differances in religion right? Also Agape was not founded by the people from the University of Santa Monica. it was founded by the Reverend Micheal Beckwith. A Few celebrities do go to my church but most of the members are just everyday very down to earth God loving people. Celebrities need spirituality too. The church is in LA and celebrities alot of whom live in LA so they go to church, eat, go shopping in LA. So that's the picture. It's not a big deal they are just human beings. With Human needs Thier are also writers, producers, authors, teachers, constuction workers, doctors. Its a great church. Not a cult. no voodoo

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

12-31-05, 00:20 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
13. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-02-06 AT 05:49 PM (EST)

Of course, they do not deal with religion issues mostly. They did have P.J., but apparently she left her Morman church after that.
It does mention at the church website that the Rev. Beckwith follows a trans-denominational theme, i.e., no particular religion but something that covers them all. Sort of like a community church.
I would agree that Iyanla is indeed an extremely spiritual being. Where I differ with her is her teaching of a "soul experiencing a human existance" versus my belief that human beings have a God-given soul.
The SO program also focuses on self way too much. Think about Jesus...what did he ever do for himself? Everything he did was for others. He did not wail that he was going to die in pain on that cross. On the cross he told the thief next to him that that man would join him in Heaven that day.

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

12-31-05, 08:40 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-02-06 AT 05:50 PM (EST)

There are a lot of intelligent, educational and insightful comments throughout these posts, in addition to some very funny and creative things, and yes, there are some unkind words too. But the show has created these images for viewers.

  Top

Soupy 57 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

12-31-05, 08:12 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Soupy Click to send private message to Soupy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
18. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
>LAST EDITED ON 12-31-05
>AT 07:09 PM (EST)

>
> Of course, they do not
>deal with religion issues mostly.
> They did have P.J.,
>but apparently she left her
>Morman church after that.
>I've been to so many
>websites, I don't remember where
>I heard some of the
>points, and I did make
>note that those points were
>not verified. Since your
>post I have edited my
>previous post to delete those
>references, thank you.
>It does mention at the church
>website that the Rev. Beckwith
>follows a trans-denominational theme, i.e.,
>no particular religion but something
>that covers them all.
>Sort of like a community
>church.
>I would agree that Iyanla is
>indeed an extremely spiritual being.
> Where I differ with
>her is her teaching of
>a "soul experiencing a human
>existance" versus my belief that
>human beings have a God-given
>soul.
>The SO program also focuses on
>self way too much.
>Think about Jesus...what did he
>ever do for himself?
>Everything he did was for
>others. He did not
>wail that he was going
>to die in pain on
>that cross. On the
>cross he told the thief
>next to him that that
>man would join him in
>Heaven that day.


Hi Buddy! Not pushing my beliefs on others..but I could not believe how 'perfect' you expressed yourself' on this topic! I am impressed... I happen to feel this exact same way, when reading this thread several days ago. You picked the very same point that I got out of it. ( regarding 'OUR SOULS BEING FROM GOD) Jesus did come to 'SERVE"... Not self-serving at all...
Way to go!!! You touched me with your post... Thank You for being a person who is willing to say exactly what Jesus himself would mostlikely say- in terms of your observations of the differences you described. PERFECT! ( bible based ) A witness to truth. J.M.H.O.
GOD BLESS....

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-01-06, 10:51 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
21. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-13-06 AT 12:41 PM (EST)

Happy New Year Soupy!

I'm not pushing my beliefs either, just stating them, where I stand. And where I will stay.

Everybody has to pick their own path. I certainly will never worship any human or celebrity like a god either. Most of them are flaky. I hate the way they inject themselves into politics, like they are important and should influence us just because they are "stars", have a lot of money, etc. The sad thing is that because they are famous, or infamous, they do get "airtime", they get publicity, and then the millions of sheep who can't think for themselves out there follow, because of the fame.

Maybe winning the Emmy award blew up their heads in trying to get another.

But trying to work with TJ, who has medical problems, ADD, and is a regular gal with a husband she's happy with, etc., makes me "wanna SMACK" somebody.

  Top

Cygnus X1 7505 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"

01-02-06, 10:07 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Cygnus%20X1 Click to send private message to Cygnus%20X1 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
37. "Each of us a star . . . or a DAW"
So each one of us is a "star" too! Hey, where's my little statue? Oh, that's right, I don't need a statue!

No, you don't. That's what the DAW level under your name is for


Much more on "What is a DAW?" here.

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-02-06, 10:22 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
38. "RE: Each of us a star . . . or a DAW"
Awwww...but is it worth a couple thousand?
  Top

lovemydogdude 1253 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 10:09 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovemydogdude Click to send private message to lovemydogdude Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
34. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I agree that self is focused on more than spirituality..but we cannot expect tv (in general) to be able to address this as much as it should be. I do believe IV is a spiritual woman..the show cannot demonstrate this part of her too much or it's ratings would be affected..sad but I believe even as little as she says could indeed lead someone to God without all the words being said.
  Top

Siouxsie 5 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"

01-16-06, 01:48 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Siouxsie Click to send private message to Siouxsie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
52. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
As a non-Christian who likes IV, I find that her words on SO, or at least how she chooses to express them (or how they are edited), transcend any particular religion.

It's one of the problems I have with some of the other threads bashing on the "tell it to the Universe" aspect. That's not about telling the Universe and then sitting on your butt and doing nothing. But in the telling you focus yourself and let yourself know what you need so that you can get off your butt and go out and get it.

As for Jesus not whining and serving others, I feel that focusing on oneself doesn't have to be a selfish thing. We can't really help or serve others if we have no foundation or center.

And another thing perhaps we should remember: isn't SO supposedly for the women most in need of help? (Yes, we know the politics of making a tv show that will stay on the air enter into it, but ...) I was reading the Allison thread and although I can understand the points made (and it has made me view her differently), at the end of it I realize that if she were better than she is, perhaps someone else would have been on the show instead of her. In other words, it is the nature of the show that our HG will be the more whinier, selfish, etc.

(Perhaps there is a big NC market pull? I'm from NC and am constantly surprised by the percentage of NC women who are getting on the show!)

So, anyway, I admit that IV and her catch phrases don't bother me like they do some people. But I've already heard and used such phrases as tools in my spiritual practices to focus and manifest my goals into reality. So I see them less as psychobabble and more as ways of getting out of our own ways.

I don't see them as "leading people to God" but do feel that spiritual people of all stripes will pick up on them.

On a side note, what become of the LC whom IV replaced? (Her name was like Rhonda but slightly different. I always was amused that their names were so close.)

>I agree that self is focused
>on more than spirituality..but we
>cannot expect tv (in general)
>to be able to address
>this as much as it
>should be. I do
>believe IV is a spiritual
>woman..the show cannot demonstrate this
>part of her too much
>or it's ratings would be
>affected..sad but I believe even
>as little as she says
>could indeed lead someone to
>God without all the words
>being said.


  Top

sharnina 3083 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"

01-26-06, 03:57 AM (EST)
Click to EMail sharnina Click to send private message to sharnina Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
61. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
First, this is my first time to post so forgive me if I break any rules.

OklaBlue, thank you so much for sharing your point of view. I often feel that the women would do so much better if they could focus outside themselves rather than all the self-serving junk they are put through. While I believe that there is much room for self examination, focusing on what I can do for others in this life is much more productive than so much self-pity.

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

12-31-05, 01:22 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
14. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-02-06 AT 00:14 AM (EST)

(Regarding references for the church mentioned above)

FROM THE AGAPE WEBSITE:

"Is Agape Christian? And what about the Bible and Jesus?

No, and yes.

Yes, some Agape members are Christian, and their personal encounter with the spirit of Jesus as an embodiment of the Christ Consciousness richly informs their spiritual lives.

No, if by Christian you mean the acceptance of Jesus as the only savior and Christianity as the only path to God and eternal salvation.

Yes, in the sense that New Thought- Ancient Wisdom history includes the Gnostic teachings of the earliest Christian mystical sects, as well as the founders of the uniquely American New Thought Movement including Emmanuel Swedenborg, Ernest Holmes, Howard Thurman, and transcendentalists such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and others. " (end quote)
===========================================================

Here is some Iyanla info and links you may want to look into if interested.

Honorary doctor of divinity degree from the Theological Seminary in Atlanta, Georgia.
http://www.eomega.org/omega/faculty/viewProfile/a71edaf67245af7d35051ff29d36eae2

Iyanla Vanzant, a Yoruba priestess, offers brief and insightful pearls of wisdom that help to clear one's mind, and provide something positive on which to focus throughout the day.
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Vanzant,%20Iyanla

Ms. Vanzant appears to have responded to a long-felt call to give herself over to Yoruban culture as an alternative for dealing with life.
http://www.queenhyte.com/dobb/dobb_archives/dobb_98/june-98.htm

A Yoruba priestess and ordained minister, Iyanla was catapulted to fame when Oprah Winfrey chose one of her books, Yesterday, I Cried, (Simon & Schuster), as an Oprah Book Club selection.
http://www.whitefireweb.com/women_detail.php?woman_id=47

The Yoruba claim that they have 401 deities; in truth, there are more than these.
http://www.uiowa.edu/~africart/toc/people/Yoruba.html

  Top

Ace 4 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"

01-29-06, 02:12 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Ace Click to send private message to Ace Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
67. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Sounds great to me. Wish the church was closer to my home. I am in Orange County.

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

12-31-05, 07:11 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Mirage - that would have been an excellent lesson to enable the group to be more understanding of what TJ has been going through. However, the LC focus on self would require that TJ do it. To have the other women do it would have meant teaching them to empathize with TJ, and that would be focusing on some other, not their selves.
  Top

lovemydogdude 1253 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 09:56 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovemydogdude Click to send private message to lovemydogdude Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
32. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I agree the HM's seem to lack empathy but I myself have had my problems merely interacting with other women..can you imagine being in that house...aaahhhhh
  Top

lovemydogdude 1253 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 09:44 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovemydogdude Click to send private message to lovemydogdude Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
29. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I understand how you feel but somehow understand that TJ's exercises are and should be so much different than say Lisa's.. the episode you refer to re: the deli.. makes me remember (and now I've seen it twice a distinct feeling I had that Rhonda really understood TJ for the first time that day..based on what she learned about her past. Yes TJ's lessons may seem belittling but I truly believe there's a basic lesson TJ needs to learn and integrate that those glasses and earplugs demonstrated. I believe this lesson was to remind her and make her conscious of how not being heard/seen must have made her feel and thus react.

Her later lessons may also seem belittling but we all know people who need to think ALOT before they speak i.e. ourselves or others...(this is not a spoiler right!?!because these are not new episodes I'm referring to...)

I love TJ too..alot..she is so cool for putting herself out their..alot of people struggle with her similar issues..diagnosed or not..it's hard to change your personality and that's what she's trying to do..very hard..very good work TJ

  Top

Kattrikk 565 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"

12-31-05, 02:20 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Kattrikk Click to send private message to Kattrikk Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
15. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"

I have many of the same gripes that have already been mentioned, but one of the things that makes me so mad is when a new HG is telling her story. The two seem to gang up and be really hard on the poor woman who has got to be anxious as hell. They just seem downright spiteful during the story thing. They're also beotches during BOR but I can at least see why that could fall under a tough-love thing. It still bugs me though. Why not support through love and understanding like they do with their pets? Oh yeah, silly me. Because this is about ratings and drama.. not changing lives.
  Top

Soupy 57 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

12-31-05, 08:28 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Soupy Click to send private message to Soupy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
19. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
>
>I have many of the same
>gripes that have already been
>mentioned, but one of the
>things that makes me so
>mad is when a new
>HG is telling her story.
>The two seem to gang
>up and be really hard
>on the poor woman who
>has got to be anxious
>as hell. They just seem
>downright spiteful during the story
>thing. They're also beotches during
>BOR but I can at
>least see why that could
>fall under a tough-love thing.
>It still bugs me though.
>Why not support through love
>and understanding like they do
>with their pets? Oh yeah,
>silly me. Because this is
>about ratings and drama.. not
>changing lives.


SO TRUE.... If you recall, Lisa referred to the new house guest arriving , with the 'B' word... Also 'A wench' several times.( psycho)
So that indicated to me that Lisa had no intentions of giving this new house guest a chance at all! Why for heaven sakes! What's in it for her?
Be mature??? Pleeeze! ( not to you )Making my point that...It is why I am shocked that the coaches have yet to address this type of behavior- much earlier. ( remember TESS? She was nailed imediately- every time! ) As was all the H.G.'s/ They had to mind the store...
So, a FIRST in the S.O. house, til now.
What's next? Yikes!
I have come to the conclusion that this is a farce.... (?) or very poor communication. ( editing has been confusing as well- to the process, if WE the viewer, is to get the full benefit from the purpose/lessons of the show.
Which I now see is most likely 'ratings'... J.M.H.O.


sniff, sniff...

  Top

Kattrikk 565 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"

01-01-06, 03:57 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Kattrikk Click to send private message to Kattrikk Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
20. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Soupy,thank you for bringing up the Lisa comments regarding the new housemate who hadn't even arrived yet! Her comments (and the way she did it, seeming so sincere and not kidding-like) is an absolute testiment to the downhill slide this show has been on. Even though it was just one incident, one little comment by one single housemate, I think it totally sums up how the housemates feel about each other. How they're judged before they even arrive (LC's guilty too), How a new HM has to walk into the Lion's den and prove herself.. and for what? Our entertainment? This is NOT what this show used to be like. Now the women are encouraged to get into that confessional and talk about each other. Here's a funny little test you can perform at home. Next time you watch SO, count the amount of confessionals that day. Then, count how many of the confessionals were about the person giving them or talking (usually negatively) about someone else. The show might still serve a purpose, but it's not women helping women start over. So change the name and put it on MTV or something.

Well I am just rambling now. It's late and I am just so frustrated with this show.

Happy New Year everyone!

  Top

pegasustt 168 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 11:05 PM (EST)
Click to EMail pegasustt Click to send private message to pegasustt Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
35. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
This happened last season too, remember Sommer? when a new hg was supposed to arrive she suggests they all should shun her. I couldn't believe what i was hearing... then with me watching closely she was the last one to speak to the new hg.
does anyone else remember that?

TT

  Top

Siouxsie 5 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"

01-16-06, 02:01 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Siouxsie Click to send private message to Siouxsie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
53. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I'm not convinced it's all about ratings and drama, although I do agree that this season does bring it up to question.

I'm thinking that support through love and understanding hasn't worked for these women. If it were that easy, they wouldn't need the show.

I'm also remembering that self-transformation often requires the total destruction of the old self so that the individual can recreate themselves. This is the essence of "initiation".

I think in season 2 or somewhere it was mentioned that it's normal for a new woman to have her first breakdown / breakthrough when they first arrive and present their story. Lately they seem to have more women who are so detached that perhaps they need to be pushed further to have this breakthrough.

Or, perhaps, it's as you say and the push for ratings have forced the LCs to ham it up more than they would in practice. I've no idea what their contracts say or require them to do. I do know that they showed a preview clip of a future episode where IV says that she might be the wrong coach for nuLisa.

As for changing lives, perhaps someone should start a thread and talk about what we know about SO's actual success rate. From brief skimmings of websites and such, it seams the most successful ones are ones who know how to market their SO experience and use it to their advantage.

How many are actually doing what their goal was? We had the makeup lady from season one who seems to be doing fine in the makeup arena. (And getting to come back to makeup all the graduates can't hurt either!)

I'd also be interested if any SO houses which aren't being filmed have been started anywhere. If someone could solve the funding problem, I think such houses could be a help to people. And without needing to worry about ratings, perhaps more practical work would get done as well.

>I have many of the same
>gripes that have already been
>mentioned, but one of the
>things that makes me so
>mad is when a new
>HG is telling her story.
>The two seem to gang
>up and be really hard
>on the poor woman who
>has got to be anxious
>as hell. They just seem
>downright spiteful during the story
>thing. They're also beotches during
>BOR but I can at
>least see why that could
>fall under a tough-love thing.
>It still bugs me though.
>Why not support through love
>and understanding like they do
>with their pets? Oh yeah,
>silly me. Because this is
>about ratings and drama.. not
>changing lives.


  Top

GoodnightLittleBear 461 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"

01-01-06, 02:12 PM (EST)
Click to EMail GoodnightLittleBear Click to send private message to GoodnightLittleBear Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
22. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-01-06 AT 02:21 PM (EST)

I am still trying to figure out what exactly "Be a great day" is supposed to mean. Iyanla says that at the end of the morning meetings.

Does it mean that they should be making it a great day? I would have a hard time making it feel like a great day if I was forced to go to a job interview wearing a baby dress. JMHO

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-01-06, 02:28 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
23. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
It's probably just her signature saying, maybe from her book, like Martha Stewart's "it's a good thing".
  Top

GoodnightLittleBear 461 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"

01-01-06, 02:49 PM (EST)
Click to EMail GoodnightLittleBear Click to send private message to GoodnightLittleBear Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
24. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Thanks, you are probably right but I know if I were one of those women, I would be saying, "WTF?" especially after having to parade around in public with my buttcheeks hanging out.
  Top

SOfan0221 828 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-01-06, 03:14 PM (EST)
Click to EMail SOfan0221 Click to send private message to SOfan0221 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
25. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Actually Lisa seemed to get off on it in a perverted sort of way. And it wasn't Iyanla that sent her off dressed as a baby, it was Rhonda.

I also think be a great day is her way of reminding the ladies that their thoughts and actions dictate how they are treated and perceived. Be a great day is a reminder to them to stay focused and on course, even though it doesn't seem to work. Maybe someday they will 'get it'.

I would take Iyanla as a LC over Rhonda anyday.

  Top

GoodnightLittleBear 461 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"

01-01-06, 03:21 PM (EST)
Click to EMail GoodnightLittleBear Click to send private message to GoodnightLittleBear Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
26. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I know Iyanla didn't make Lisa wear the dress but I was just expressing how I would feel after having to wear it and then have an LC chirp "Be a great day!"

I agree, I would take Iyanla anyday over Rhonda. Rhonda tends to appear vindictive and I have said in another thread that her exercises border on sadism, with all the humiliation and embarrassment associated with them. All the while, Rhonda is grinning like an idiot.

  Top

Moondreamer 18 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 07:09 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Moondreamer Click to send private message to Moondreamer Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
27. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
You are totally right about the psycho babble, but believe me, there isn't nearly as much of it this year as there was last season. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why a lot of people think that sounds more spiritual than just plain ole language.

If I were there, when IV came in with her "How Ya Livin" I'd say "Well first you have this autonomic nervous system, which makes your heart beat, and your lungs breathe air etc etc.

The thing that galls me is how they promote extistentialist Christianity - "Your thoughts are your prayers." If you think negative thoughts all the time God will do negative on you.

OH REALLY. An all knowing God, who, according to the Bible, can see your heart, would mistake what you fear for what you want. Uh huh.

The reason for having to change thinking is so you stop convincing yourself that the negative stuff is true.

  Top

SOfan0221 828 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-01-06, 07:23 PM (EST)
Click to EMail SOfan0221 Click to send private message to SOfan0221 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
28. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I guess I have a different take on Iyanla's morning greeting when she walks into group and addresses the girls.

I see her and Rhonda not only as life coaches but also as motivational speakers. Motivational speakers always keep things on a positive and upbeat note.

Could you imagine if Iyanla walked in and addressed the group like this....'Morning Ladies, I know you are all struggling so why don't you tell me what your struggling with today?' It would end up an hour of just Allison and her tormented problems.

So physcobabble or no, I like hearing Iyanla wail out 'Good Mo'nin LAY-Dies....How YA Livin'......Have a GREAT DAY.... Live Large.....and all her other upbeat messages.

Thats my two cents for what it is worth.

  Top

dopeydwarf 185 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 10:06 PM (EST)
Click to EMail dopeydwarf Click to send private message to dopeydwarf Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
33. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-01-06 AT 10:14 PM (EST)

Used to be motivational!!! Now it's BS because I really believe they don't care about the some of the HG.
I know someone mentioned it already, but the LC's should've been ALL OVER Lisa's derriere because of the nasty thing she has been saying for weeks!!!She's cussed and been hostile to the other houseguests and she should be removed from that house a LONG time ago.
Since they can view what the housemates are doing why in the heck is it tolerated?? It wouldn't have been before.
Motivational, yeah, sure!!! Depends on who you are!!!

____________________________________________________________________________

I'd rather be at Disneyworld

  Top

pegasustt 168 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

01-01-06, 11:17 PM (EST)
Click to EMail pegasustt Click to send private message to pegasustt Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
36. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
"So physcobabble or no, I like hearing Iyanla wail out 'Good Mo'nin LAY-Dies....How YA Livin'......Have a GREAT DAY.... Live Large.....and all her other upbeat messages. "

Me Too
TT

  Top

lovelucila 55 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

01-03-06, 03:38 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovelucila Click to send private message to lovelucila Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
39. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I like it too. Something about it puts the responsability back in your shoes. Because it's not about your circumstances and your environment. Its about " Being clothed in your right mind" as Iyanla would say. She also says " be the love, be the joy, be the peace you seek to experience. Don't expect others to bring it. You be it." Its what I beleive was also Christ conciousness. He was it. He was a walking living prayer. So when Iyanla saids " How You livin Ladies" She's reminding them that every thought every word and every action create your life. Because its not enough to merely affirm that we are made in the image and likeness of god. Its about expressing this truth in our actions. We don't have to be perfect to live large, just commited. And so when she saids " How You Livin ladies" She's reminding them of thier commitments. so for one I Love it when she saids that. It reminds me too. Am I living large today? Am I bringing it.
  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-03-06, 03:51 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
40. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I think it's just another of her signature phrases, like:
Dr. Phil - how's that workin' for you?
Martha Stewart - that's a good thing

Would make a good title for her next book.

  Top

Baxtera 923 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-03-06, 09:53 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Baxtera Click to send private message to Baxtera Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
41. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I think the one difference is with Dr. Phil when he asks the question How's it working for you he has some practical exercises and advise to help his guests work through their issues and often he employs the help of proffesionals in areas beyond his scope of professional expertise. While I don't always like his approach how's it working for you isn't really hard to translate. It doesn't take people out into the field and tell them to yell to the universe when they are financially broke, he supplies them with financial experts to ride their buts to get them to get their financial houses in order.

Actually maybe Dr. Phil needs to ask the house guests regarding the LC's How are they working for ya?

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-04-06, 00:05 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
42. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LOL Especially after they get home!
  Top

AshLanie 895 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-05-06, 07:56 AM (EST)
Click to EMail AshLanie Click to send private message to AshLanie Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
43. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
>I think it's just another of
>her signature phrases, like:
>Dr. Phil - how's that workin'
>for you?
>Martha Stewart - that's a good
>thing
>
>Would make a good title for
>her next book.


or Dr. Phil's: What were you thinking?

Would love to hear that asked of some of these ladies.


As for the signature comments mentioned above: They are about as good and will last about as long as the pet rock etc did.

As for being a great day......well, I don't care to be....I am not a day I am a human being soL

I will be a great human being..


  Top

Baxtera 923 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-05-06, 08:40 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Baxtera Click to send private message to Baxtera Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
44. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Every time she says it it makes me think of the cereal commercial, "It's gonna be a great day!"

I think the thing that strikes me as odd is that not all days are great and you take the good with the bad and accept that tomorrow might be better.

As for be a great day it's just one more IV in my mind where the words are silly people aren't days say what you mean participate in your life and choose to make it the best you can. I get sick of her stupid babble. Should I scream to the universe now or is there a better time of day not to get the busy signal from IV calling in?

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-05-06, 08:48 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
45. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Or Dr. Phil: don't let the door hit you in the A$$

Like to hear that more on this show.

  Top

Baxtera 923 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-05-06, 10:06 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Baxtera Click to send private message to Baxtera Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
46. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
His words stick with me as practical common sense advise that you can really use when you find yourself resorting to bad habits. How's it working for you? Ok it's not. I'm angry and it's not doing me any good because nobody cares so let's try something else.

IV: Scream to the universe.
I go outside and start screaming and before you know it I'll have half the police force on my doorstep wondering what the hell is wrong with me and I'll probably be in the pych ward for evaluation. How do I explain I was waiting for an answer from the universe but the line was busy?

I do pursue spirtual avenues in my life but I find there are also practical matters that have to be solved as well and sometimes you just have to sit down and work through them they are hard work and require disipline and patience. I don't think they all have easy solutions. I do think in those instances IV presents too easy methods but the reality is Allison is graduating with huge debt issues and no real plan for overcoming it. With Dr. Phil she would at least have had some financial planning with possible follow up counseling to help her deal.

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-12-06, 10:47 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
47. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
LAST EDITED ON 01-13-06 AT 12:42 PM (EST)

LOL

  Top

flexy633 234 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"

01-12-06, 02:15 PM (EST)
Click to EMail flexy633 Click to send private message to flexy633 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
48. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Actually, I think Dr. Phil and Dr. Stan together would be much more beneficial to these ladies than the current LC's.

This show is pissing off a lot of REAL life coaches, not to mention ADD Coaches.

  Top

Kozy 17 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"

01-13-06, 06:59 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Kozy Click to send private message to Kozy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
50. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I disagree, and I will tell you why:

1. These people are "life coaches"; some "life coaches" only have a BS in Psychology and I'm not even sure what the qualifications of being a "life coach" are. However, they are NOT licensed to practice psychiatry such as, I believe, Dr. Stan is.

2. The "life coaches" I have had direct contact with are only "certified" - in other words, they have not gone to college for this specific degree. "Life Coaching" has only come into play during the past few years because of socioeconomic reasons.

3. Iyanla and Rhonda have bonded and agree with each other on most occasions. They are both tough, which is highly respectable. They also know their limits in how far they can take and/or help a person change and grow. Remember when Iyanla told Allison: "I can't take you any further. YOU have to do the rest yourself."

4. I think Iyanla has very creative ideas when it comes to the housemates facing their demons. Rhonda is more of a disciplinarian but, they both are extremely solid women as opposed to the young~sponge at the Chicago house. What was her name? See? That's how memorable she is.

Anyway, I believe what we, as viewers must realize is that it's easy to judge while we are sitting at home watching. Dealing with the housemates and their pasts/present/future lives is a doggone hard job. I commend both Rhonda and Iyanla for sticking to their guns and tellin' it like it is.

~Kozy

  Top

Baxtera 923 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-13-06, 07:53 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Baxtera Click to send private message to Baxtera Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
51. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I disagree because Rhonda's exercises have been abusive and counter productive to the disorders she's dealing with because of her lack of education and training and her desire to make must see TV. What she has done to TJ was awful and ridiculous.

IV is less abusive but just plain stupid at times. Allsion is financially broke. Instead of brining in financial planners, credit counsilors, IV takes her outside to scream to the Universe so the Universe will hear her needs and then makes sure she gets money when she leaves the house. Did she give the acholics achol when they left?

  Top

beckettrep 814 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

02-06-06, 08:08 PM (EST)
Click to EMail beckettrep Click to send private message to beckettrep Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
70. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
>I disagree because Rhonda's exercises have
>been abusive and counter productive
>to the disorders she's dealing
>with because of her lack
>of education and training and
>her desire to make must
>see TV. What she
>has done to TJ was
>awful and ridiculous.
>
>IV is less abusive but just
>plain stupid at times.
>Allsion is financially broke.
>Instead of brining in financial
>planners, credit counsilors, IV takes
>her outside to scream to
>the Universe so the Universe
>will hear her needs and
>then makes sure she gets
>money when she leaves the
>house. Did she give
>the acholics achol when they
>left?


Baxtera, you and I are definitely on the same page on all counts.

  Top

2Centz 150 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"

01-17-06, 01:13 AM (EST)
Click to EMail 2Centz Click to send private message to 2Centz Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
54. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Agreed, Kozy.

With the exception of Allison and those who have been kicked out of the house, all the HGs aree better off now than they were when they arrived, so the LC are doing something to open the ladies' eyes to many of their mistakes.

It would take an enormous amount of time to undo a lifetime of dysfunctional living. Given the short amount of time they have to work with the women, they're doing a decent job.

I think they could definitely give the women more useable tools (i.e. job counseling etc.), but they have their hands full just trying to instill a little self respect them where there is none.

  Top

Emz 22 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"

01-26-06, 00:56 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Emz Click to send private message to Emz Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
60. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I think Iyanla and Rhonda are great life coaches. I have worked for the last 10 years with many mental health professionals with degrees and licenses up the yin yang ... believe me it doesn't mean a darn thing. Anyone can get a PhD, anyone can even get a license, it doesn't mean they are "all there" to the extent that they can help someone else; it doesn't mean they have the insight to see/feel beyond the tip of their own nose, and it doesn't mean they even care about someone else's success. I have met my share of licensed, degreed professionals who are major WHACK JOBS!!! So, no ... I don't put much stock in degrees or how many letters are after someone's name. It's JUST a degree. It's JUST a license. I'm sorry but degrees and licenses are not exclusively given to bright, talented, caring, "whole" human beings.

Iyanla and Rhonda are great--they don't put up with excuses, they're realistic, their projects/lessons are creative and meaningful, they are very insightful, intelligent, and just good at what they do. No offense to Dr. Katz but I am not impressed with him much; Iyanla and Rhonda do the REAL work in that house. I would happily have either of them life-coach me! I think the women on that show are so lucky to have such a talented group of professionals to guide them through this process.

  Top

Baxtera 923 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"

01-26-06, 11:14 AM (EST)
Click to EMail Baxtera Click to send private message to Baxtera Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
62. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Sorry but I can't see how dresses for children, cages, boxes, and making people sit in ponds is effective coaching. It always has seemed like an episode of Fear Factor. I think they had a good process going and then it got strange.
  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-17-06, 10:22 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
55. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Can't you just picture it now...the next SO, the Bates Motel, with a cast of characters... where is Alfred Hitchcock when we need him?
  Top

teacherst 54 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

01-19-06, 01:27 AM (EST)
Click to EMail teacherst Click to send private message to teacherst Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
56. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Kozy I agree with you. As far as Rhonda being abusive to TJ I disagree look at how kuch TJ has changed. I like how Iyanla makes them talk to the Universe.
  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-20-06, 09:32 AM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
57. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
For Allison
For Lisa
For XXXtina
  Top

teacherst 54 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

01-23-06, 01:34 PM (EST)
Click to EMail teacherst Click to send private message to teacherst Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
58. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
What do you mean?
  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

01-25-06, 03:49 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
59. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Did anyone notice today when IV was going over Jodi's goals and steps that she (IV) set the goals, not Jodi? From what I have read about life coaching, the person sets the goals.

Also the goals are being very broad and not accountable, like Lisa 1's final step of "Soar" - what is soar? Why not JOB?

Also today, when the two LCs were at group and they were talking with Jodi with the other women, did you notice the non-verbal poses of Rhonda and IV, legs crossed away from each other, hands clasped on knees. It was sort of funny, but that is a typical "closed off to that person" pose. They seemed to not like each other today. IV had her back to Rhonda, called Jodi for the same thing.

  Top

Rai 13 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"

01-26-06, 12:19 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Rai Click to send private message to Rai Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
63. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Good morning SexyTank,
Hmmmm! I watch the show because I'm interested in the psycho - therapy! I don't think Iyanla, Rhonda, or Dr. Stan use anywhere near the babble as your common everyday Lawyer or Physician! In fact, if anything - they speak in laymans terms that their tv viewers can understand - plain and simple! I feel that Iyanla verbally expressing herself with such enthusiasm comes from her deep relgious background (check her background out)!
Have a Great Day!
Rai
  Top

teacherst 54 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

01-26-06, 10:38 PM (EST)
Click to EMail teacherst Click to send private message to teacherst Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
64. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I totally agree with you Rai. I also think It's very straight forward. I just love Iyanla Vanzant. I think she is doing alot of good for the world.
  Top

Shazbot 226 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"

02-06-06, 07:07 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Shazbot Click to send private message to Shazbot Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
68. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Rhonda strikes me as a realist. Her therapy sessions are interesting because she seems to get inside the person's head and actually guide them to where they need to go.

I'm not sure about Iyanla. After reading about how there was no 'light' in her law office and she decided to quit without telling anyone... well, I'm sure we've all encountered situations without 'light'... but doesn't that light come from us, if it's not in our surroundings? Not that she shouldn't move onto something she has more of a desire to do, but I hear a Dr. Philism creeping in - "You have to earn your way out". Hope she did.

Iyanla probably does understand the heart of things. Maybe she knows something some of us don't, and is completely comfortable acting on hunches... but it doesn't always work that way.

Also, if you have a bad day, does that mean you are a bad day?... or that you've endured something, and furthered yourself along?

  Top

OklaBlue 1244 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"

02-14-06, 12:36 PM (EST)
Click to EMail OklaBlue Click to send private message to OklaBlue Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
71. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
What is the deal with the LCs and men? They've both had screwed up relationshipS, (several and bad ones) in the past.

They tell the HGs men are the PROBLEM, and then they tell the HGs men are the ANSWER.

Woman can't talk to husband/boyfriend, need to dump them, get a divorce.

Women...there will be MEN at the dance! Jill you need a date, Lisa 1 you need a date, etc.

  Top

lovemydogdude 1253 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"

02-14-06, 04:07 PM (EST)
Click to EMail lovemydogdude Click to send private message to lovemydogdude Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
72. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I agree Blue..and it seems there's just no figuring it out. What about today when Rhonda had Jodie go call Kim's husband. Don't you think it would have been more appropriate for the LC to do!? Just like when she brought Jill in Kim and her husband's meeting..that seemed inappropriate..it's not like Rhonda the "LC" didn't have enough information to mentor Kim on the subject without Jill. (especially during a time when Kim was not getting along very well with Jill)

  Top

Kaymoor 10 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"

02-15-06, 03:52 PM (EST)
Click to EMail Kaymoor Click to send private message to Kaymoor Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
73. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
I personally love Ilanya. She knows how to keep it "real" from her head to her toes. A true sense of pride and self. She knows who she is and is proud. I only wish I could say the same of myself. I am a crazy messed up white woman with a free spirit some where inside of me screaming to get out, while I sit in Ohio dying a little bit more with each passing day. Ones childhood can be a huge spirit killer. Simply existing just to
live up to others ideas of good or bad is not living. It is more like a very slow, very pain full silent death. Ilanya lives. At the age of 58, I would "hang wit" her any day of the week and feel grateful.

Kaymoor

  Top

C_Mar 55 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"

02-16-06, 05:12 AM (EST)
Click to EMail C_Mar Click to send private message to C_Mar Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
74. "RE: "Good MO'nin LAY-dies.. How ya Liv'in" I just wanna SMACK the life coach sometimes"
Both Iyanla and Rhonda overuse the word "ladies". It's so annoying!
  Top

mysticwolf 10692 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"

02-22-06, 01:35 PM (EST)
Click to EMail mysticwolf Click to send private message to mysticwolf Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
78. "Warning - Brianca"
There is a link to our guidelines at the top of the page. In them you will find instructions on what to do if you would like to advertise on our site. Free ads are not allowed. Lose the signature line.


A Syren Spring

  Top


Remove

Lobby | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e -
about this site   •   advertise on this site  •   contact us  •   privacy policy   •