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"Episode 5 Vidcaps Thread"
Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-11-12, 03:43 PM (EST)
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"Episode 5 Vidcaps Thread" |
Please place all vidcaps related to episode 5 here, and NO SOURCED spoilers here!
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10-12-12, 07:48 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Preview Promo" |
Could the hand belong to one of the medical team members who were called in to handle the medical emergency?
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-11-12, 10:52 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Preview Promo" |
Is the medivac Dawson? Maybe she gets really sick like Colton did last season. Or is it somebody who is not shown? Colton was shown in the previews for his medivac episode. I think this should be easy to find out as more press photos emerge.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-11-12, 11:42 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Preview Promo" |
The only hints of having to leave the game in Kalabaw have been Kent's knee but that doesn't fit with life or death talk from Jeff. Dawson looks sick in those pictures but I'd suggest Katie as the one requesting the quit boat. Her edit is so awful she could be Purple Kelly.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-12-12, 03:30 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Preview Promo" |
I agree with the spec that someone from Kalabaw is getting medivac'd. But, I do not think it will be Jeff and his knee problem. I was shocked to see him have a knee brace there, that they must be letting him use. I don't think his knee is bothering him that much. He sure doesn't act like it. And, as someone up above noted, Jiffy explains that a medivac is a life or death situation. Jeff's knee is not life or death. So, if it's not Jeff, and apparently not Jonathan. It could be any of the others. So far none of them have appeared injured or sick. I appreciate the thinking with the tarp spec up above. One thing to notice is that Kalabaw got a second tarp, instead of food and spices at the last challenge. I think they had one and it's over the shelter. I think they have torn the new one, and are using it as 2 blankets. I think this shot... is in the AM, most likely, as someone also noted above, Jonathan is standing, and Jeff is sitting, while the others are still sleepy, sleeping. I don't necessarily equate that scene in the AM, with this scene... I think the foot is associated with Jiffy being there... I agree with those that are thinking the foot is the key. The foot belongs to the medivac.
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-12-12, 04:54 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Preview Promo" |
The foot in question looks small, possibly belongs to a woman. I think we need to narrow it down to the people on Kalabaw that have atleast gotten some development to make the medivac somewhat sad and make the audience care. We don't know anything Carter and Katie, so it's not them. Jeff/Jonathan have been used as misdirection for the last three promos, it's not them. So I've concluded that either Dana or Dawson is the medivac, that would greatly change the alliance structure on kalabaw.
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10-12-12, 05:55 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Preview Promo" |
I seem to remember that some of the previous "quitters" received little or no development prior to their leaving. Don't know it it was to punish quitters, to promote those toughing it out, or just CBS desire to focus on key players staying in the game.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-12-12, 07:02 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Preview Promo" |
Purple Kelly.
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-12-12, 11:00 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: E5 Press Pics" |
This must have been on a different day than the challenge because malcolm/denise are not present. Since i suspect there is a tribe reshuffling or dissolving of Matsing at the reward challenge.
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10-12-12, 10:38 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: NO SOURCED spoilers here please!" |
Thanks beebs. That could have been disasterous.
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10-12-12, 11:56 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: NO SOURCED spoilers here please!" |
Dabo, I'm still catching up on this season. Where are the sourced spoilers? Is it a full boot list or just hints and pieces? Thx
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10-13-12, 05:55 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: NO SOURCED spoilers here please!" |
Thanks Dabo! Sounds like fun if there are just teasers and clues but no boot list.
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-13-12, 06:30 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Episode 5 Vidcaps Thread" |
I think Dana is the medivac. Now to decide whether there is still a boot for episode 5? There was none when Colton was medivaced.
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-13-12, 08:34 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Episode 5 Vidcaps Thread" |
Ok if someone is voted out then the numbers go down to 12. So does that mean a merge is coming at episode 6? That seems too soon. Maybe it will be a merge at 10.
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-13-12, 08:36 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Marcus on Tandang, Denise on kalabaw.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-14-12, 00:07 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Promos today showed Dana as the sick Kalabaw. Challenge shots themselves have no Dana, Malcolm with Tandang and Denise with Kalabaw. So, the gathering shot press photo at challenge mudpit is not challenge, it is absorption of Matsing. Medical evacuation occurs after that at some point. A challenge is still held, so there must be a boot.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-14-12, 01:25 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Logically, if Matsing is absorbed no one on Kalibaw or Tandang knows anything at all about the Matsing HII. That being the case they should try to make their new tribe member play(waste) the (Matsing)HII while actually targetting one of their own.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-14-12, 01:41 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Or convince the Matsing player that he/she is safe, tell him/her that so and so is going and then vote against the new member.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-14-12, 08:50 AM (EST)
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43. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Note the yellow buff around Malcolm's neck...Only 6 Tandang shown...they're getting to sit a female. So this would suggest that the medivac takes place before the challenge. Otherwise, the teams would be even at 7, and everyone could compete.
As I see it there are several possible scenario's... We have seen them all show up at supposedly a challenge area, where: 1. Dana is still there, no medivac yet 2. there is a reward challenge 3. no challenge run, and Matsing is divided. Malcolm to Tandang, Denise to Kalabaw *I like dabo's original spec about winner gets first choice of who to pick....just saying! We have an IC where it appears 6 are on each side competing: 1. This is a different challenge than the first one they did 2. That makes this an IC 3. 6 compete from each tribe 4. Implies that medivac has already occured, Dana gone Has there ever been an IC run AFTER someone has been removed from the game? One other thing I would like to comment on is the misdirection clue regarding Jeff, because, with Malcolm on the Tandang tribe, I think it gives them a leg up. So, I would favor Tandang to win the challenge now. Denise is good, but is she that good? So, if Tandang is favored to win, and there is going to be a boot from Kalabaw, then that clue from the last promo becomes important to me... can the former baseball star keep his identity a secret?
If Dawson spills to Jeff that she knows who he is, and wants to use this to her advantage, then she could become the new target. Or, the plan will work and Jeff Kent will be the new target. I think that this will be our boot story if there is indeed a boot after the medivac.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-14-12, 02:59 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: College Football Promo" |
But they wouldn't have to worry about men vs women if they target the outsider, Denise. If Penner/Kent are smart, that's what they'd do. You keep your team together. They can't trust Denise so her challenge strength means nothing.
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10-14-12, 05:15 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Denise would be the outsider, but she would also be the tie-breaker between the males and females of Kalabaw. I think this puts her in a position of strength, unusual for a single merge person. Plus, as we have heard, everyone seems to love Denise.
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10-14-12, 08:26 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: College Football Promo" |
<If Dawson spills to Jeff that she knows who he is, and wants to use this to her advantage, then she could become the new target.Michel, I think you must have missed FloPo's post above with the discussion (based on promo voiceover, vidcaps, plus previous foreshadowing) about how Dawson could threaten Jeff re his identity and thus become the new target. My post was building on hers. Point being, tribe unity goes down the tubes if someone on your tribe is out to get you....or if you sense the women are against the men. If nothing else, proactively wooing Denise is a smart strategic play to make her think she is in an alliance and not a target/outsider. Also, Kent's said that the younger ones are dumb....I think he'll see the value in an older, wiser, stronger woman like Denise. Based on edit alone, it sure seems like Dawson and the other quiet woman on Penner's tribe have no legs... but Denise does. I don't think she'd be getting jury talk and such a great edit if she gets voted out next episode.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-14-12, 08:38 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: College Football Promo" |
I'm not talking about what will likely happen this season, I am talking about general strategy: Kalabaw and Tandang should be expecting a change in tribes, either in the form of a complete reshuffle or just Matsing dissolving into the two other tribes. Therefore, they should already be solidifying their team, making sure no one feels like an outsider. You want to avoid a Marty/Jane split as much as possible. That means that, even before Denise and Malcolm step in, they should already have been talking about staying together, booting any new comer. If they had done that then Dawson wouldn't be targeting Kent so soon. So, no, it isn't smart to rely on woooing Denise. First of all, you will never be able to trust what she will do at the merge because of her ties with Malcolm. Then, consider that one of Katie or Dawson will most likely still be there at the merge. Wooing Denise creates the possibility of having two outsiders at the merge while booting her means the tribe can stay strong at the merge.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 01:12 AM (EST)
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61. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Dawson's best move, if she is in fear of being booted, is to tell Jeff she knows about his MLB background and will blow his game if she is booted, as a parting gift to the rest of the tribe. If she doesn't do that, she has no power over Jeff.If she thinks she is safe she should, of course, hold onto that info, saving it to blow Jeff's game at some later point, preferably at Final Tribal if need be. Jeff's best move in this situation is to tell the women that Jonathan is still the designated blindside, but because they suspect Jonathan has the HII it is best to keep him comfortable that he doesn't need to play the HII. Jeff only needs to neutralize Dawson if he knows she knows, in which case he needs to adapt.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 07:49 AM (EST)
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63. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Yes, this thread is to analyze the vids but I wanted to refute your statement: "If Jeff/Penner are smart (and I think they are)". I think they're forgetting something vital if they keep Denise. Tribe unity is always a smart strategy. Neglecting it puts Kalabaw on a path to pagonging.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 11:05 AM (EST)
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65. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Denise has her work cut out for her, but Kalabaw is already a divided tribe. She has two or three things in her favor.1. The Matsing HII, if she has it and uses it wisely. 2. Jeff wants mature people around for mature conversations. Denise can be another member of the Kalabaw mature player association or replace Jonathan, who was the designated boot target from day one. 3. The medical evacuation plays right to her strong game, she can put on her therapist cap and do what she actually does for a living anyway, helping the whole tribe cope through the situation. By making herself valuable to the tribe she has a greater chance of shedding the outsider stigma and will be able to individually evaluate each member of her new tribe. Her challenge performance is vital, though, as she cannot afford to be blamed for a challenge loss. Kalabaw has flipped from being able to sit out their weak links to having to field every member of the tribe, heat's been turned up.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 06:25 PM (EST)
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67. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Those things help Denise but how do they help Kalabaw? There are no reasons for Kalabaw to keep Denise. She is a free boot and you should never refuse a freebie.
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10-16-12, 01:09 PM (EST)
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77. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Boston Rob would boot Denise faster than you could say "Hey, you don't suppose she has an immunity idol, do you?"If they woo her, then clearly they have learned nothing from watching this show... or else the division between men/women is so strong (because of Dawson outing Kent?) that they have to do this Plan B scenario. Actually, maybe I'll go with that idea... Penner is smart'ish. Also -- Dawson should have said to Jeff Kent, quietly, off-to-the-side, "Hey, I really loved watching you play; you were my boyfriend's favorite player. Anyway, just wanted you to know that I'm a big fan, and think you're awesome." Then she'd still have leverage if she's booted or at the finale ("You booted ME? He's freakin' Jeff Kent!"), plus she'd make a friend for future use.
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-14-12, 09:21 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Penner's game isn't about tribe unity, he went looking for the idol as soon as he got to the island. He's gonna do whatever will further his game. At the merge, Penner is a wildcard. Kent on the other hand would be smart to keep his tribe together, we'll see how much game smarts he has in the next episode.
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-15-12, 08:27 AM (EST)
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64. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Well since most of the people are invisible on Kalabaw except Penner and Jeff, i'm betting that is exactly what happens.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 06:21 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: College Football Promo" |
But I am telling you WHY it will happen!
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Karchita 4483 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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10-14-12, 04:08 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: College Football Promo" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-14-12 AT 04:17 PM (EST)I am confused by this picture. Malcolm and Denise have their bags, so they are prepared to be absorbed and folks are speculating that this is just before a reward challenge, and that makes sense to me. Dana is there, so it is clearly before she exits and it is clear that at least one challenge this week is played with teams of six and therefore takes place after she leaves. But it looks like Dawson over on Kalabaw has brought their immunity idol, so that suggests this is an IC, not RC. I don't see Tandang's idol. It's possible one of the men in the back row is holding it out of sight. Or I suppose it's possible that Kalabaw accidentally brought their idol to a RC, especially since they have not had any RCs yet this season. But I think the producers would have corrected that before filming. However, the most logical explanation is that this is before an IC, not a RC.
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Sheldor 4639 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 07:25 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: College Football Promo" |
FYI. That photo is captioned on the CBS Press Express site as:"Tandang, Matsing and Kalabaw Tribe before the reward challenge during the fifth episode" A Reward challenge win by Matsing helps explain how Matsing gets a new Hidden Immunity Idol clue as seen on Next Time on Survivor preview. It looked like Denise was holding the new clue. Abi and Lisa are holding their bags. There is at least one bag behind RC on the ground in front of Artis. Looks like Pete might be holding a bag on his left too. However, Tandang does not have their Immunity Idol though possibly they gave it to Jeff already. Malcolm and Denise both have bags at their feet. Kalabaw does not appear to have brought their bags but they did bring their tribe's Immunity Idol. Maybe they were told to bring their Immunity Idol since they were 2nd place last week and there won't be 2 idols anymore. In All Stars the third place tribe in the Reward Challenge was to be absorbed by the other 2 tribes. Maybe that's what they do here? However that conflicts with Matsing having a new Hidden Immunity Idol clue.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 08:02 PM (EST)
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69. "RE: College Football Promo" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-15-12 AT 11:01 PM (EST)the reward challenge Good work! So we have a strong indicator there are two challenges this episode, possibly a three-day cycle. Reward challenge win by Matsing helps explain how Matsing gets a new Hidden Immunity Idol clue Simpler explanation for the clue, since Russell walked off with the clue he found, another clue is simply planted for Denise and Malcolm to find when they get back to camp from TC. Maybe they were told to bring their Immunity Idol since ... there won't be 2 idols anymore. Well, maybe, but that would be an indicator that the dissolving of Matsing occurs on the spot, and Denise and Malcolm don't return to Matsing to hunt for the HII. And Jeff could just collect both IIs at IC, retiring one on the spot.
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10-15-12, 10:40 PM (EST)
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71. "RE: College Football Promo" |
Yay Sheldor! Agree this explains a lot. And for once the promo monkeys are correct.
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10-15-12, 09:49 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: Episode 5 Vidcaps Thread" |
Just saw a promo now... they're certainly not hiding that it's Dana that is ill. This promo had Dana hunched over while holding onto a tree, then medical coming in while she's flat on the ground, they're checking her stomach. Looks like she's got what Colton had last season.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-12, 11:03 PM (EST)
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72. "To Summarize" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-15-12 AT 11:03 PM (EST)So, thanks to the CBS promos and CBS cybermonkeys let's examine what we do and do not know. Denise and Malcolm have a clue to the HII and search for it. We do not know if they find the HII or if so which of them keeps it. There is a Reward Challenge, all three tribes go to it, all 14 players. We do not know if Matsing is dissolved before that challenge, after that challenge, as a result of that challenge, or if they get to sit out because they are the reward (or part of it). We do not know who wins RC. We do know that Matsing is dissolved. We do know that Denise goes to Kalabaw, Malcolm to Tandang, per challenge shots, though those challenge shots are probably IC. At least one shot has turned up showing Denise with all six Kalabaw, she does spend time with Dana. We do know that Dana gets sick and that Probst and Medical come to camp to deal with the situation. We do know that Medical says it isn't bad enough for them to pull her from the game, it is her decision whether to tough it out or quit. We do not know what she decides: We do not know whether she decides to quit, to tough it out, or whether in toughing it out she gets worse and Medical later changes their position, or she changes her mind and quits. We do know there is a challenge in which Abi is an apparent sit-out, so there is an Immunity Challenge and there will be a boot. This suggests that Dana was medically evacuated from the game as the tribes would be at equal numbers otherwise, or if she is still in the game Probst allows sit-outs because she is too sick to run the challenge (or some variation thereof). We do not know which tribe wins IC. We do not know who is voted out of the game. At least not per CBS reveals (clues and hints and misdirections are separate issues). Did I leave anything out? Oh, we don't really know anything about the challenges, but perhaps there will be a challenge preview for one of them.
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Karchita 4483 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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10-16-12, 11:02 AM (EST)
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74. "RE: To Summarize" |
We do know that Medical says it isn't bad enough for them to pull her from the game, it is her decision whether to tough it out or quit. I think Jeff's statement that we only take people out when it is life or death (paraphrasing from memory there) could mean either: a) This isn't life or death, so it's Dana's choice to leave the game. or b) This is life or death and so Dana has to go. I am leaning toward the latter. She sure looks bad.
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10-16-12, 07:52 AM (EST)
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73. "New Promo..." |
LAST EDITED ON 10-16-12 AT 08:14 AM (EST)Thanks Survivor Fever:
Transcript: Announcer: Can the former baseball star keep his cover? Jeff Kent: I'm walking on eggshells right now. If they ever put 2 and 2 together, I'm in trouble. Look what they gave us... There are all of the old and new Kalabaw! There is Denise, right in the back! But, this does throw a wrench into our time line...so, here is my new time line: 1. RC - Matsing wins, gets reward and a clue, we see Malcolm and Denise with the clue at their camp....you don't think that clue could come with their tree mail, do you? It's a possibility? 2. Malcolm and Denise search their camp for the HII, will they find it...no 3. IC: Everyone is there. Before the start of the challenge, twist: Matsing is being dissolved, Malcolm to Tandang, Denise to Kalabaw 4. Tandang wins, Kalabaw will go to TC 5. All Kalabaw back to camp. Dana sick, then medivac'd out 6. Dawson let's Jeff Kent know that she has his number, thus the Jeff Kent is going misdirection 7. TC: Dawson out. With Tandang getting the strong Malcolm, I don't think that Denise will want to vote out the strong Jeff Kent, no matter who he is. And, if it does get out, than he is a good shield. Someone that becomes higher in the pecking order than you! Yes, I am leaning toward Dawson leaving.
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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-16-12, 12:11 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: New Promo..." |
I tend to agree with your scenario completely. I'm on the fence whether it's Dawson or Katie that would be the boot, as Katie has been more invisible and may not have a longer-term story like Dawson does ... but with Kent being the misdirection, it could be that her plot backfires, leaving Dawson up a Creek...
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crispy06 102 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-16-12, 01:03 PM (EST)
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76. "RE: New Promo..." |
isn't the general rule that if a promo show someone in danger, that usually means they are NOT the boot? I'm guessing Dawson exposes Jeff in the next episode trying to get him out but her plan backfires, putting her as the boot target. Thus leaving Denise the swing vote again.
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tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-17-12, 05:42 PM (EST)
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82. "RE: Episode 5 Vidcaps Thread" |
Doctor says she has about 12 hours of suffering before Medical will actually pull her from the game. Seems Dehydration may be the biggest problem and "IF" she can keep herself hydrated for the next 12 hours, she may indeed be able to make it through. The choice now becomes Dana's to make. Quit and get med attention now, or try to hydrate and med will check back on her in 12 hours.
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