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20. "Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:"
The recap told us that, of the three tribes, Matsing was on its way to extinction, having only Russell’s clue and the alliance between Malcolm and Denise to show after 6 days.

Tandang’s recap showed some new footage but was mainly about Peter forming a new majority alliance, one that gave Lisa a new life.
Things got better for Pete when his ally, Abi, shared the clue and found the hidden immunity idol.

At Kalabaw, Penner had been the target from day 1…
(we saw Kent asking the tribe if they wanted a veteran winning the game or one of them)
…but when he revealed his idol to Jeff Kent, the former professional baseball player considered aligning with Penner.

We saw Angie and Russell’s struggles at the immunity challenge and how that led to another Matsing loss.
Angie and Russell threw each other under the bus.
Despite Malcolm’s close connection to Angie, he joined Matsing in voting to keep the tribe strong.

Four things to note about the recap:
- Jeff concentrated a lot on the idol, even mentioning Russell’s clue, even if they didn’t play a big role up to now. I suppose they will lead to some sparks soon and the viewers have to be reminded where they are.

- Pete is now the center of attention in Tandang even if he had been ignored in the first two episodes. To suddenly arrive on the scene with such a large role is not a good sign for Pete. We usually follow the journey of Survivor’s conquerors from day 1. If their story starts after day 1, it’s probably because they fail. Take Sash for example, a character that was hidden before the episode 2 TC.

- A veteran will probably not win this season because we keep hearing Kalabaw saying that they don’t want a veteran to win and we can already predict that the jury will be mostly composed of Kalabaw members…maybe even all 6 Kalabaw members are jury bound!

- Finally, the wording of Malcolm’s voting decision is perplexing: He joined Matsing which is a very passive way of describing it. Jeff could have said that Malcolm decided to keep Matsing strong, or Malcolm judged it best to stay with Denise or used any other expression to make Malcolm look more forceful, more decisive, important qualities to impart on an eventual winner. We can take it as an indication that Malcolm isn’t the winner.

Matsing – Day 9

The somber music was a fitting accompaniment to the weather and the tribe’s mood. For a long time, no words were spoken, maybe the longest silent scene ever. Even that ended in failure: Russell telling Malcolm to stop trying to make fire.

Malcolm: “…What could possibly be piled on? I think we put on brave faces for each other. Everyone’s scared…One win is all that it’s going to take to turn the mood around camp. One win and we’ll know anything is possible, that we are not destined for annihilation.”

Denise: “This is not what I envisioned at all…We joke, we have these conversations but then we get that silence and my thoughts go to missing home, how do I stay here?”

Russell talked about making the greatest come-back ever and Denise agreed, saying they didn’t have an option.

Russell: “There is no quit in either one of them.”

Matsing isn’t making any come-backs but is Denise on her way to make that great come-back? She is the one heard agreeing with Russell that they have to pull it off but her own confessional sets her more to be a Journey player. Missing her family is an indication that her comeback will be completed if she makes it to the family visit, not necessarily the win. Game analysis would say it’s practically impossible for Denise to make it that far but the way her character has been edited almost guarantees it.

Tandang – Day 9

With Peter complaining about the Philippines, Lisa had a confessional: “You have nothing to do out here but think of different scenarios and how they might go especially when it’s raining. And if you come on Survivor, (Pete shown) you are usually a Type A person who is usually able to take the world by the nose and makes it happen. I’m just worried that the rain may prove once again that we are not, ultimately, in control.”

Peter: “The weather sucks but I am feeling good. I feel like I am in a very, very, very good position in this game and I plan on creating a lot of chaos out here (RC shown) and any chaos that I create is going to be beneficial to me.”

So Peter, the Type A person described by Lisa, wants to create chaos which, I suppose, is a way to “take the world by the nose”. The editors connected these two confessionals for a reason and we can be certain that Pete’s chaos scenario will not be beneficial for him.

Abi: “I was just staring at the raft were we have been sleeping and I see a little piece of paper sticking out. It’s the clue that RC and I have been safely guarding.” RC had no choice but to read the clue to everyone while Abi told us what she thought happened: “I think she went, got the clue out of where we had buried it, put it in her bag and I think it fell. She has no idea that I found the hidden immunity idol but I don’t feel bad because me finding that clue proves to me that she wasn’t 100% honest with me at all.”

RC: “I have no idea what happened with the clue. I certainly didn’t bring it there but because this popped out, I’m a little weary of the tribe.”

Pete: “RC didn’t do anything. I was the one that put it there. Abi showed me where the clue was so I went and got it…and boom; clue planted. It couldn’t have gone any better, it’s crazy, it’s hilarious…Keeping people on their toes is a big part of my strategy. I don’t want anybody to be able to play their game. I want them to play my game.”

I found it ironic that, while Pete exposed his evil plan to keep people on their toes, they were all shown lying down!! A coincidence most will say but is there ever a coincidence in Survivor editing? If Pete wants to keep people on their toes but instead they stay calmly in the shelter, doesn’t his whole strategy fail? Doesn’t it show that our Type A person ultimatelyu won’t stay in control?

Kalabaw

Jonathan “…When the sun comes out, you find yourself in a tropical paradise…Let’s just get busy, let’s get working.”

Kent: “We have a bunch of kids who aren’t married, who don’t know how to carry a professional conversation but Jonathan can do that. You know, he’s trying.”

Did Kent just eliminate all the young persons from winning the title of Sole Survivor? His confessional put a negative spin on all of them but we can’t be sure if all of them means the 4 young ones in Kalabaw or the 8 left. Did you notice that the mature players, except for Artis, have found important roles to play in this story. An older person is winning this game but it isn’t a Survivor veteran or a Type A person. We are narrowing it down!

The scene shifted to the ocean where Jonathan directed Carter to the biggest clam he had ever seen.

Kent’s confessional continued: “As soon as we had Jonathan on our raft, it didn’t matter if it was Jonathan or Russell or Skupin, I didn’t want a veteran to win this game but I’ve got to adapt. Jonathan’s got the idol now, I want to get further in this game so I am going to have to make some adjustments.”

Kent told Jonathan: “I can control some people.”

Jonathan: “Jeff and I actually like each other. He is a hell of a competitor, a really nice guy and we are prepared to be loyal to each other deep into the game.” Jonathan and Kent shared another handshake and this one looked more genuine. “Having him on my side can make us pretty powerful. It’s exciting to have a real ally. I think I do.”

Jonathan then formed an alliance with Carter.

Carter: “It’s kind of crazy because I decided that Jonathan was no longer a target of mine but somebody that I was going to work with and try to get to the top 5 with them and then target him. I’d say me, Jeff and Jonathan right now have a pretty good alliance and the girls, from what I can tell, are on the chopping block.”

There was however, trouble in the men’s paradise!

Dawson: “At the beginning of the game, there was a 5 person alliance of bran new castaways and there was Jonathan on the outside and we were kind of working to get him out. But now, the guys went out on the ocean and they were out there for a couple hours and what are they talking about? They are talking about us.”

Dana told Dawson and Katie that they had to stick together and gather some more ladies. They didn’t need the men.

Dana: “I think women naturally feel more comfortable around each other. As the game progresses, the sexes start to split a little and the men think they have this thing that they add to the table and the women think they have this social game that they being to the table. Don’t underestimate me because I am a female. It’s the worst thing to do to a woman.”

The scene ended with Katie saying it was going to get crazy.

I think we have now narrowed our criteria to find the winner: It isn’t a Type A person that thinks he is in control. It isn’t a young one nor is it a returning player. It is a woman because they are being underestimated: “I can’t go far with Dawson and Katie” said Carter. If that wasn’t enough, look at the teams during the upcoming challenge where all the women except Denise were told to ride the bench.

So; Denise or Lisa? Thematically, Lisa would fit more because she is the least in control, just playing the cards that she is being dealt.

Matsing – Day 9

Malcolm had a confessional after Russell had been denigrating their former tribe mates: “I think I sized up Russell pretty good when I met him. He’s met my low expectations the entire way through…He lacks self-awareness. It’s apparent…in the way he loses his cool at Tribal Council. He’s still here only because…we need muscle mass.”

Russell immediately had a confessional where he said he was a little suspicious which, in itself, proved Malcolm’s analysis. Suspicious should have ended day 1 because he should know by now! His last words even showed that he still didn’t know before the last vote was read Wow!

We then saw Russell looking for the idol. Of course that scene was meant to put some doubt in the outcome of the episode but really, it served to connect us even more to Denise and Malcolm. The editors have made it clear that we shouldn’t root for Russell depite his status as a returning player so showing him looking for the idol can only serve to scare the audience by making us think that one of Denise or Malcolm goes if he finds it. That bodes well for their stories.


Right under your nose!
No one can say the editors don’t have a sense of humor!

Denise caught him snooping under the shelter and she told us she found it shady. She told Malcolm about it.

Malcolm: “Denise had this scared look in her eyes and she thinks Russell has an idol.” The two of them went through Russell’s belongings. “I have no shame: You have an idol, I want to know about it.”

The negative action of going through someone’s bags was mostly placed on Malcolm, not Denise.

Tandang

The scene was accompanied by animal imagery showing a spider catching its prey. Who is the spider, who is the prey?

Skupin was shown talking about the rice with Abi and RC.

Peter: “There used to be rift between RC and Abi and now it’s concrete. All because of a little piece of paper. I would love to send RC home right now. I don’t trust RC as far as I can throw her. She’s dangerous but she has one big problem: I’m here.”

RC wanted to talk things over with Abi who simply didn’t want to listen.

RC: “Abi is irrational. She is not a retional player. You don’t know what she’s thinking. I’m worried about my place in the tribe because she clearly didn’t want to talk to me about the hidden immunity clue. I don’t know if she planted it, if she got angry at me and planted it. I have no idea. I thought I had it locked down. I thought I had Abi as my number 2, I thought I had Pete. I think I am in danger if there is an immunity challenge and we lose.”

RC talked to Lisa about her problem, saying she wanted to apologize but didn’t know what she did wrong.

Lisa: “I think that the straw that broke the camel’s back was when RC let the clue come out of her bag and Abi, the little Brazillian spice, just broke open. So, more of my energy is going to go to blowing some oxygen on some fire over here and let them flame out so I don’t have to be the one that takes the heat.”

So, the theme of playing the hand that you are dealt keeps working nicely for Lisa. A new hand, a new strategy and not one that requires any control. That is important to note. Lisa is the spider and she’ll probably get both Abi and RC!

The Challenge

The main thing to note was Dawson’s diappointment when the men decided she’d sit out the challenge along with all the other women and then Russell’s dejection when he realized his team would be going up against teams of 3 men.

*Rant* With the absence of the alternating sit out rule then the challenges should involve the whole tribes. 6 pots, 6 players? Why not have them carry one pot at a time and have Matsing do it twice? Survivor has stupid rules sometimes. *End Rant*

Despite having a lead for a while and starting the last stage before Kalabaw, Matsing lost…again.
Artis was the MVP of the challenge.
Russell lost it and started talking about his perfection which we won’t get into.

Matsing

Malcolm: “I was ready to cry after that challenge.” In the ocean, he told Russell to vote Denise. “I’ve been aligned with Denise since day 1 but I am forced to make decisions on day 9 that I didn’t consider having to make until day 20 or so.”

In the shelter, he told Denise that Russell thought they were voting against her.

Denise: “I have my alliance with Malcolm…but if Russell has the immunity idol; it’s not good…We are trying to make Russell think he is the swing. We are trying to make him feel comfortable so if he does the immunity idol, he doesn’t play it.”

Denise made him feel so comfortable that he told her about a personal story from his childhood.

That slice of real life, so prevalent in the early seasons, is usually forgotten by the editors nowadays in favor of strategy talks so we have to assume that it was strategy that we were being shown: Denise at work, getting people to reveal their innermost secrets. If she is this good after the merge then watch out!

Malcolm: “Tonight, it can go either way and I like to think that I am sitting in the controlling seat.”

Russell’s vote would prove that Malcolm wasn’t in control, connecting this scene with Lisa’s early confessional. The type A persons may think they are in control but they really aren’t

Denise. “Yes, I have faith in human beings. I have to. If I get bamboozled tonight, it’s not going to shake my faith that these are two good guys. It will tell me that I screwed up and they played the game better than me.”

One of the best out-of-my-control, self-aware, confessionals ever. TC’s result proves that they didn’t play better than Denise.

Tribal Council

Malcolm agreed with Jeff that it had been crazy.
Denise pointed to all three bags, saying they were full.
Russell explained his mind-set regarding the challenge.
Malcolm told Jeff that he was the one that didn’t get the job done. “When you let people down it stings doubly.”
Denise said she should stay because she is strong and can help make alliances down the line.
Malcolm repeated that he could help them win a challenge.
Russell said that it was the reason to get rid of Malcolm.
Asked why they should get rid of Denise, Malcolm said “she is a step above us all socially.”
Russell added: “She gets in front of the jury, they will say: “You suck, you suck, she wins!”


This exchange makes it very tempting to say that Denise will indeed win despite any analysis of her present position in the game. If she makes the F3, she wins.

The Story

The first 4 episodes have left us with these themes:
E1: Make sure that you Go With the Game.
E2: Players Crash and Burn.
E3: You Have to Play the Hand that is Dealt
E4: We Are Not In Control.

Put together, we are inclined to say that this season’s winner will not be making big moves because that would be taking the deck in your own hands instead of playing the hand that is dealt. Big move means you are a step ahead therefore moving faster than the game, so this season it would mean playing too hard too fast. And this episode told us that, despite being used to taking charge, the type A players are not in control. So, the winner will most likely be a follower.

This episode also strongly suggested that a veteran will not win, that the younger players don’t have what it takes and that you shouldn’t underestimate a woman. Therefore, the story is pointing towards the winner being either Lisa or Denise.

Of course, we have to keep in mind that Kent could be proven wrong, that they will vote for a veteran to win in the end or the young ones will show that they are sufficiently mature to win. Or maybe Dana will be proven wrong and the men will dominate. That means we still have to look at

The Characters

The Young Ones:

According to Kent, they are too immature so that should eliminate them. Considering how Katie, Dawson, Carter have been edited, it’s hard to argue against that.

Dawson: Her confessional makes us think she can stay a while and it will be interesting to see if she can align with other women but her role is too peripheral to consider that she will emerge as the star of the season.

Carter: He told us that you can’t go far in the game by aligning with Dawson and Katie so he adds to the theme presented by Kent. Carter’s intervention only served to advance Jonathan’s story.

Dana: She has more character than the other young members of Kalabaw. She introduced the theme of not underestimating women but will she be the one profitting from it? Dana has been Kalabaw’s narrator rather than an important player.

Peter: As noted above, Peter has become the main player in Tandang, the schemer, the villain who will create chaos for his own benefit. Unfortunately for him, he is the prototypical Type A person that should fail this season because of the Themes we have identified. He wants people to be on their toes but they are shown lying in the shelter. He wants RC and Mike gone but can’t get around to executing his plan. The game is moving too slowly for Peter; his need for urgency will hurt him. We will see that, despite his pretention, he won’t be in control. The juxtaposition of his confessional about liking his position in the game came right after Lisa’s confessional about Type A persons to set the table for his demise.

Abi: The Brazilian time-bomb is being used by her closest ally; Peter pushes the buttons and Abi explodes. There is no doubt that Abi herself is a type A person and she wants to be in control. Her actions make for interesting dynamics in Tandang but she isn’t shown as a wise player. For example, the way her confessional was cut lets the viewer wonder why bringing the clue into the shelter would prove that RC had betrayed her. Abi would have looked more rational if her confessional had continued with something like: “I’m sure she was showing it to Mike.” That must have been what irritated her so much so she must have said something along those lines. But Abi is presented as an irrational player so she isn’t given an opportunity to state her case and she can’t be the winner.

Malcolm: His story has enough substance to consider he will survive annihilation but can he win? He wants to be in control which goes against the grain of the story and he was presented as being somewhat indecisive during the previous elimination. Malcolm will be able to use his challenge skills to survive a while but not make it to the end.

RC: Of all the younger players, RC still has the best story to carry her to the end. She is presented as a power player (Peter: “She’s dangerous”) but she isn’t forceful enough to carry it out. She thought she had it locked down. thought she was in control, but she isn’t. Showing RC’s inability to talk to Abi doesn’t bode well for her chances to convince people when it really comes down to tough decisions.

The Type A Older Players

Kent: He has a quiet way about him that his refreshing but make no mistake: Kent wants to be in charge so we can expect that he will crash and burn at some point. Already, the women of his tribe aren’t in his corner so we can see that he won’t get his way. For that type of player, there are no alternatives even if he says he can adapt.

Jonathan: Once more, he sees a light, a direction that could carry him far into the game so there is no denying that Jonathan is a good player but his story seems limited to his idol and his relationship with Jeff Kent. Their alliance should carry both far into the game but nothing tells us that it will be to the end.

Mike: No one was a bigger Type A person than Skupin in the Outback. The guy thanked God for making him the leader of Kucha right in front of everyone else! (It was interesting that, during Russell’s talk with God, Mike was shown disapproving as if he had learned not to get a deity involved in the game.) So, it’s extremely interesting that, despite the connections to his Outback character through his injuries, he isn’t presented as someone looking to control the game. True to his word, his theme, he is moving at the proper pace for the game but his relative absence from the story is troubling. If Kent’s words are being used ironically, if a veteran does win, then Mike has to be our top contender over Jonathan. But, if we have read the themes correctly a veteran can’t win, a woman will. I don’t think Mike’s edit will flame out (!) but it feels too cold to earn him the victory. The editors need to fire up his story.
(I could go on with the fire analogies but I’ll stop here)

As mentioned above, that leaves:


Denise
: Seeing her win would make for a wonderful underdog story. Russell has presented it already as the biggest come-back in Survivor history and both Malcolm and Russell have told us the jury would reward her. Unfortunately, there are those moments of silence when she wonders what she is doing there, away from her family. That usually tells us a player’s story ends at the family visit. The check Russell mentioned could very well be for Fan Favorite. Can Denise get both? I say she is a step behind our top contender…

Lisa: Most of the themes of the season come from Tandang and they all apply perfectly to Lisa. She hasn’t moved faster than the game, she’s still playing the hands that are being dealt, she isn’t in control, just blowing a little on the fire. She shouldn’t be underestimated simply because she is a woman. She is mature enough to know how to talk to others and if the jury (Kalabaw) doesn’t want a veteran to win then she would get their votes. Does Lisa win? I’d say it’s a good guess.


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 The Players, The Game, The Editing ...   VerucaSalt     09-14-12       
   Hiya VS   tribephyl     09-16-12     1  
   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   forehead     09-20-12     2  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   PepeLePew13     09-20-12     4  
   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   crispy06     09-20-12     3  
   Spot's observations   PepeLePew13     09-20-12     5  
   Episode 1 Editing Thoughts:   michel     09-22-12     6  
     RE: Episode 1 Editing Thoughts:   suzzee     09-28-12     7  
   Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   michel     09-29-12     8  
     RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   suzzee     10-01-12     9  
         RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   michel     10-01-12     10  
             RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   Round Robin     10-02-12     11  
                 RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   glennyfromtheblock     10-02-12     12  
                     RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   parathor     10-03-12     16  
     Episode 2 Thoughts   crispy06     10-02-12     13  
     RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   dabo     10-02-12     14  
         RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   michel     10-02-12     15  
             RE: Episode 2 - Editing Thoughts   parathor     10-03-12     17  
   Episode 3 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     10-05-12     18  
     RE: Episode 3 - Editing Thoughts:   glennyfromtheblock     10-08-12     19  
   Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     10-13-12     20  
     RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   blueeyed     10-13-12     21  
         RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     10-13-12     22  
             RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   parathor     10-15-12     23  
                 RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     10-15-12     24  
                     RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   glennyfromtheblock     10-15-12     25  
                         RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   3rd Place Winner     10-16-12     26  
                             RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   glennyfromtheblock     10-16-12     28  
     RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   Murphy3126     10-16-12     27  
         RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   dabo     10-17-12     29  
             RE: Episode 4 - Editing Thoughts:   Murphy3126     10-17-12     30  
   Episode 5 - "I am Going to Fight"   michel     10-20-12     31  
     RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   b1whois     10-22-12     32  
     RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   jobgirl     10-22-12     33  
     RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   AaronLittleton     10-23-12     34  
         RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   parathor     10-23-12     35  
         RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   michel     10-23-12     36  
             RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   AaronLittleton     10-24-12     37  
             RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   suzzee     10-27-12     39  
             RE: Episode 5 - "I am Going to Figh...   AaronLittleton     10-31-12     47  
   Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   michel     10-27-12     38  
     RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   blueeyed     10-28-12     40  
         RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   michel     10-28-12     41  
             RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   blueeyed     10-28-12     42  
                 RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   AaronLittleton     10-31-12     48  
             RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   PepeLePew13     10-29-12     44  
     RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   CTgirl     10-29-12     43  
         RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   michel     10-29-12     45  
     RE: Episode 6 - The Penner Punch   AaronLittleton     10-31-12     46  
     RE: Episode 6 - The Michel Pick   parathor     10-31-12     49  
   Survivor Phillipines - Episode 7: I...   michel     11-03-12     50  
     RE: Survivor Phillipines - Episode ...   AaronLittleton     11-05-12     51  
         RE: Survivor Phillipines - Episode ...   Round Robin     11-06-12     52  
   Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-10-12     53  
     RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-10-12     54  
         RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-10-12     55  
         RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-11-12     56  
             RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-11-12     57  
                 RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-11-12     58  
                     RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-11-12     59  
                         RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-11-12     60  
                             RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-11-12     61  
                                 RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   SpotTheDiffference     11-11-12     62  
                                     RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   AaronLittleton     11-11-12     63  
                                     RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-11-12     64  
                                         RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   SpotTheDiffference     11-12-12     66  
                                             RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-12-12     68  
         RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   AaronLittleton     11-11-12     65  
             RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   SpotTheDiffference     11-12-12     67  
                 RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-12-12     69  
                     RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-13-12     71  
                         RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-13-12     72  
                             RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   michel     11-13-12     73  
             RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   mrtricky19     11-12-12     70  
                 RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   jobgirl     11-15-12     74  
                     RE: Episode 8 - There Are Cracks:   Murphy3126     11-15-12     75  
   Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   michel     11-17-12     76  
     RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   suzzee     11-17-12     77  
         RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   mrtricky19     11-18-12     78  
             RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   mrtricky19     11-18-12     79  
                 RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   PepeLePew13     11-18-12     82  
             The Secret of Penner's (Survivor) S...   dabo     11-18-12     80  
                 RE: The Secret of Penner's (Survivo...   mrtricky19     11-18-12     81  
                     RE: The Secret of Penner's (Survivo...   PepeLePew13     11-18-12     83  
                         RE: The Secret of Penner's (Survivo...   mrtricky19     11-18-12     84  
                             RE: The Secret of Penner's (Survivo...   PepeLePew13     11-18-12     85  
                         RE: The Secret of Penner's (Survivo...   mrtricky19     11-18-12     86  
             RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   michel     11-18-12     87  
                 RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   mrtricky19     11-18-12     88  
                     RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   PepeLePew13     11-18-12     89  
                     RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   michel     11-18-12     90  
                         RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   mrtricky19     11-18-12     91  
                             RE: Episode 9 - The Fulcrums:   Arnold_Lorax2     11-26-12     111  
   Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-24-12     92  
     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   dabo     11-24-12     93  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-24-12     94  
     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Murphy3126     11-24-12     95  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-24-12     96  
             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Murphy3126     11-25-12     100  
                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-25-12     104  
         Cut to Commercials   parathor     11-24-12     97  
             RE: Cut to Commercials   michel     11-24-12     98  
     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   suzzee     11-25-12     99  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   AaronLittleton     11-25-12     105  
     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   mimo     11-25-12     101  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Murphy3126     11-25-12     102  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   CTgirl     11-25-12     103  
             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   AaronLittleton     11-26-12     106  
                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-26-12     109  
                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Arnold_Lorax2     11-26-12     110  
                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-26-12     114  
                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Arnold_Lorax2     11-26-12     116  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-26-12     119  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   mimo     11-26-12     121  
                                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-26-12     126  
                                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   mimo     11-26-12     129  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Murphy3126     11-27-12     138  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-26-12     122  
                                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Arnold_Lorax2     11-26-12     128  
                                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-27-12     131  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Arnold_Lorax2     11-27-12     133  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   AaronLittleton     11-27-12     136  
                                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Arnold_Lorax2     11-27-12     137  
                                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   AaronLittleton     11-29-12     159  
                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-26-12     118  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-26-12     124  
                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   dabo     11-26-12     127  
                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   AaronLittleton     11-27-12     134  
                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   AaronLittleton     11-26-12     130  
                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-27-12     132  
                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-27-12     135  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-27-12     143  
                                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-27-12     145  
                                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-27-12     151  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-27-12     152  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-27-12     153  
                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   AaronLittleton     11-27-12     139  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   dabo     11-26-12     107  
             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   SpotTheDiffference     11-26-12     108  
     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   tikigirlie     11-26-12     112  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   jobgirl     11-26-12     113  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-26-12     115  
             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   CTgirl     11-26-12     117  
                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-26-12     120  
                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-26-12     125  
                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Sheldor     11-27-12     140  
                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   SpotTheDiffference     11-27-12     142  
                             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Flowerpower     11-27-12     144  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-27-12     146  
                                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   dabo     11-27-12     147  
                                     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Flowerpower     11-27-12     148  
                                         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   PepeLePew13     11-27-12     149  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-27-12     155  
             RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   mimo     11-26-12     123  
     RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   Booted     11-27-12     150  
         RE: Episode 10 - The Goat:   michel     11-27-12     154  
   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Georjanna     11-27-12     141  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     11-27-12     156  
         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   puzzled11     11-27-12     157  
             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     11-28-12     158  
                 RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   puzzled11     11-29-12     160  
                     The case against Malcolm   michel     11-29-12     161  
                         RE: The case against Malcolm   puzzled11     11-30-12     162  
                     Thoughts on Malcolm   AaronLittleton     11-30-12     163  
                         RE: Thoughts on Malcolm   puzzled11     11-30-12     164  
                             RE: Thoughts on Malcolm   Outfrontgirl     11-30-12     166  
                                 RE: Thoughts on Malcolm   Outfrontgirl     11-30-12     167  
                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Outfrontgirl     11-30-12     165  
                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   puzzled11     11-30-12     168  
                             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     11-30-12     169  
                                 RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   puzzled11     11-30-12     170  
                                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   mimo     12-01-12     174  
                                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Outfrontgirl     12-02-12     176  
                                 RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Outfrontgirl     12-01-12     171  
                                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     12-01-12     172  
   Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-01-12     173  
     RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   dabo     12-01-12     175  
         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   Sheldor     12-02-12     177  
             RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   dabo     12-02-12     178  
         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   mimo     12-02-12     183  
             RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   Sheldor     12-03-12     189  
                 RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   suzzee     12-03-12     191  
                 RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   mimo     12-04-12     193  
                     RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   PepeLePew13     12-04-12     194  
                         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-04-12     200  
     RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   puzzled11     12-02-12     179  
         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-02-12     181  
     RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   Flowerpower     12-02-12     180  
         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-02-12     182  
             RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   CTgirl     12-02-12     184  
                 RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   beaglemaster     12-02-12     185  
                     RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   Outfrontgirl     12-02-12     187  
                         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   parathor     12-04-12     197  
                             RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   tikigirlie     12-04-12     198  
                                 RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-04-12     199  
                         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   Sheldor     12-07-12     201  
                             RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   Flowerpower     12-08-12     202  
                                 RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-08-12     204  
                 RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-02-12     186  
                     RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   Solitaire     12-02-12     188  
                         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   michel     12-03-12     190  
     RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   suzzee     12-03-12     192  
         RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   puzzled11     12-04-12     195  
             RE: Episode 11 - The Dilemma:   suzzee     12-04-12     196  
   Episode 12 - Playing with their Hea...   michel     12-08-12     203  
     RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   puzzled11     12-09-12     205  
         RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   michel     12-09-12     206  
             RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   puzzled11     12-09-12     207  
                 RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   michel     12-09-12     208  
                     RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   puzzled11     12-09-12     209  
     RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   mimo     12-09-12     210  
         RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   michel     12-09-12     211  
             RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   Flowerpower     12-10-12     212  
                 RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   parathor     12-10-12     213  
                     RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   Sheldor     12-10-12     214  
                         RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   Flowerpower     12-10-12     215  
                 RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   michel     12-10-12     216  
                     RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   Flowerpower     12-11-12     217  
                         RE: Episode 12 - Playing with their...   CTgirl     12-11-12     218  
   Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on the re...   AaronLittleton     12-14-12     219  
     RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   PepeLePew13     12-14-12     220  
         RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   AaronLittleton     12-15-12     221  
     RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   dabo     12-15-12     222  
         RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   AaronLittleton     12-15-12     223  
         RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   Flowerpower     12-16-12     227  
     RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   Flowerpower     12-15-12     224  
         Episode 13- "You Can't Beat Denise"   michel     12-15-12     225  
             RE: Episode 13- "You Can't Beat Den...   Flowerpower     12-16-12     226  
                 RE: Episode 13- "You Can't Beat Den...   michel     12-16-12     229  
                     RE: Episode 13- "You Can't Beat Den...   Flowerpower     12-16-12     230  
             RE: Episode 13- "You Can't Beat Den...   AaronLittleton     12-16-12     232  
         RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   AaronLittleton     12-16-12     231  
     RE: Ep 13 - Editing thoughts on th...   mimo     12-16-12     228  
   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   AaronLittleton     12-18-12     233  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   CTgirl     12-18-12     234  
         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   AaronLittleton     12-21-12     248  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     12-18-12     235  
         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   PepeLePew13     12-18-12     236  
             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     12-19-12     239  
                 RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     12-19-12     240  
                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     12-19-12     241  
                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     12-19-12     242  
                             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     12-20-12     247  
                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   PepeLePew13     12-20-12     244  
         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   3rd Place Winner     12-18-12     237  
             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     12-19-12     238  
                 RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   ewjlee     12-20-12     243  
                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   PepeLePew13     12-20-12     245  
                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   AaronLittleton     12-21-12     251  
                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     12-20-12     246  
             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   AaronLittleton     12-21-12     250  
         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   AaronLittleton     12-21-12     249  
             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     12-21-12     252  

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