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"S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Discussion of Episode 13 Vidcaps.
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps VolcanicGlass 05-03-12 1
   RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps PhillyBrat 05-03-12 2
       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps michel 05-03-12 3
           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps byoffer 05-03-12 4
               RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps CTgirl 05-03-12 5
               RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps bertygal13 05-03-12 6
                   RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps dabo 05-03-12 7
                       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps bertygal13 05-03-12 9
                   RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps SquidProQuo 05-03-12 8
                       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps byoffer 05-03-12 10
                           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps dabo 05-03-12 11
                               RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps bertygal13 05-03-12 13
                                   RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps byoffer 05-03-12 15
                                       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps dabo 05-03-12 19
                                           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps CTgirl 05-03-12 21
                                       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps bertygal13 05-03-12 20
                       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps VolcanicGlass 05-03-12 14
                       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps Karchita 05-03-12 18
                           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps SquidProQuo 05-05-12 42
                               Tarzan spec Flowerpower 05-07-12 61
       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps VolcanicGlass 05-03-12 12
           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps byoffer 05-03-12 16
           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps dabo 05-03-12 17
               RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps Murphy3126 05-04-12 22
           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps PhillyBrat 05-04-12 24
 Just making sure... OllieKat 05-04-12 23
   RE: Just making sure... Flowerpower 05-04-12 25
       RE: Just making sure... SquidProQuo 05-05-12 40
       RE: Just making sure... Gothmog 05-05-12 43
           RE: Just making sure... PepeLePew13 05-05-12 47
           RE: Just making sure... Flowerpower 05-07-12 60
 Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps VolcanicGlass 05-04-12 26
   RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps VolcanicGlass 05-04-12 27
       RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps SquidProQuo 05-04-12 33
           RC? dabo 05-04-12 35
               RE: RC? SquidProQuo 05-05-12 41
   RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps Flowerpower 05-04-12 28
       RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps PepeLePew13 05-04-12 29
           RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps dabo 05-04-12 30
               RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps Karchita 05-04-12 31
                   RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps jasonkola 05-04-12 32
               RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps Arnold_Lorax 05-04-12 34
                   RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps PepeLePew13 05-04-12 36
                       RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps dabo 05-04-12 37
                           RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps PepeLePew13 05-04-12 38
                               RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps SquidProQuo 05-05-12 39
                   RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps Loree 05-06-12 50
                       RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps michel 05-06-12 51
 Boss Lady dabo 05-05-12 44
   RE: Boss Lady Murphy3126 05-05-12 45
       RE: Boss Lady dabo 05-05-12 46
           RE: Boss Lady Murphy3126 05-06-12 48
               RE: Boss Lady dabo 05-06-12 53
                   RE: Boss Lady Murphy3126 05-07-12 68
                       RE: Boss Lady Outfrontgirl 05-07-12 72
 Misfits 2.0 michel 05-06-12 49
   RE: Misfits 2.0 dabo 05-06-12 55
 PIP Promo Vidcaps VolcanicGlass 05-06-12 52
   RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps jasonkola 05-06-12 54
       RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps michel 05-06-12 57
       RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps dabo 05-07-12 58
   RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps SquidProQuo 05-06-12 56
       RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps Murphy3126 05-07-12 59
           RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps Outfrontgirl 05-07-12 62
       RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps Murphy3126 05-07-12 64
 RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps Outfrontgirl 05-07-12 63
   RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps Murphy3126 05-07-12 65
   RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps michel 05-07-12 66
       RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps Outfrontgirl 05-07-12 67
           RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps michel 05-07-12 70
               RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps Outfrontgirl 05-07-12 71
 pics are up jasonkola 05-07-12 69
   RE: pics are up dabo 05-08-12 73
   pics are up dabo 05-08-12 74
       RE: pics are up CTgirl 05-08-12 75
           RE: pics are up byoffer 05-08-12 76
       RE: pics are up dabo 05-08-12 77
           RE: pics are up beaglemaster 05-08-12 78
               RE: pics are up dabo 05-08-12 79
                   RE: pics are up beaglemaster 05-08-12 80
                       RE: pics are up dabo 05-09-12 82
                           RE: pics are up parathor 05-09-12 83
               Denim shorts? byoffer 05-09-12 84
                   RE: Denim shorts? PepeLePew13 05-09-12 85
               RE: pics are up beaglemaster 05-09-12 86
 RC13 BTS - 'Spinning Wheel' Blind Freddy 05-08-12 81

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05-03-12, 05:07 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcil4pwfAJ4

Transcript:

Probst VO: Next time, on Survivor.
Probst VO: The last man standing...
Tarzan: (as he stumbles) "Uh..."
Probst VO: ... is losing it.
Tarzan: "Failure among men."
Tarzan: "This isn't offensive to anybody here if I wear this, right?"
Probst VO: But there is a method to his madness.
Tarzan: "I think you guys have a better chance if I'm one of the three."
Tarzan: (confessional) "The girls think I've given up, but I want to win the game."



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2. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Well it looks like Tarzan wins something...

His beard is missing..

Earlier:

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3. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Nice catch!
Winning a reward would scare everyone, remind them of Chris, and just make sure he is the next one gone.

Anyway, if anyone thinks of comparing him to Phillip, there is a difference in the previews: Phil always looked in danger during the previews. Here, Tarzan says he will win.

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4. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
I can't imagine Tarzan winning any sort of challenge. Maybe Sabrina wins RC and takes him? No family involved, but she was pretty vocal in her feelings for him.
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5. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Remember the rope toss? Tarzan could win something like shuffleboard where you need good dexterity and he has those steady surgeon's hands (but what is up with him wearing more women's clothing, this time Kat's?!)
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6. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Alicia wins immunity! You can see the necklace in her hand before going to TC. You can tell they are going to tribal because Chelsea has her bag
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7. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Good catch!

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9. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Prediction: Kim uses idol and Sabrina or Chelsea are the next to be booted.
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05-03-12, 11:37 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Good catch Bertygal! I was just going to ask what that was in her hand -- couldn't tell if it was a basket or the immunity necklace. Can't believe they're handing this to us on a platter this week.

I love that shot because it shows Alicia going back to her old ways of being mean to Christina and Kim is smirking in the background.

So if Alicia wins IC, I think that means that Chelsea and Sabrina are on the hot seat and most likely Sab goes. (That's what Kim wanted last week anyway.) Can't imagine Alicia cutting loose her pawn Tarzan.

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10. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Did you mean Chelsea and Sabrina are on the hopt seat, or Christina and Sabrina? I can see Alicia targeting Christina, but not Chelsea.
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05-03-12, 01:55 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Alicia focused on challenge threat when targetting Kat, Chelsea remains the biggest challenge threat in the game.

On the other hand, every plan goes through Kim, Kim and Chelsea are basically pair-bonded at this point; Kim has HII and Chelsea is the only one who shares that info. The only way to bounce Chelsea is to leave Kim out of the plan entirely, or convince Kim to throw her closest ally under the bus.

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13. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Mark my words. Chelsea and Kim turn on each other next episode.
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15. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Do you have evidence (a link?) to corroborate that, or is it more of a gut feeling?
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19. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
I could see Kim becoming alarmed about Chelsea's "deserving" talk, because Kim is in full game mode. Chelsea, like Sabrina, could potentially talk herself into a win at FTC. And there is no danger to booting Chelsea other than she might blab about HII on her way out (but that is only useful for one more turn, I believe).

But stabbing her best buddy in the back? She really needs Chelsea to become dangerous to her in some way first. Alicia, for all her flaws, has the situational awareness to turn something that she might say or do against her.

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21. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Last night Kim spoke with her sister that Alicia and Kat were her F3 choices so that means she is prepared to cut Chelsea lose at some point. How and when she plans to do it could make or break her game. We do know that she wants Sabrina out next.
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20. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
"It’s Human Nature" — An unlikely betrayal within an alliance puts one castaway on the defense, while another tribe member concocts an elaborate story to gain an advantage in the game, on SURVIVOR: ONE WORLD, Wednesday, May 9 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

It's a gut feel. An unlikely betrayal? My gut is saying that Chelsea is planning to betray Kim and Kim goes on the defense by having to play her idol.

But it's just my gut.

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05-03-12, 02:26 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
>So if Alicia wins IC, I
>think that means that Chelsea
>and Sabrina are on the
>hot seat and most likely
>Sab goes. (That's what Kim
>wanted last week anyway.) Can't
>imagine Alicia cutting loose her
>pawn Tarzan.

The interesting point about Alicia having Immunity is that it may force her hand in regards to Tarzan. With four men on the Jury already, it's a risky proposition to bring the last man standing to the F3, even if it is Tarzan. If the others are suggesting Tarzan be the boot, it may explain why Alicia looks so unhappy in that sequence.

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05-03-12, 02:36 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
I love that shot because it shows Alicia going back to her old ways of being mean to Christina and Kim is smirking in the background.

I think that it is very possible that Alicia is being vile to Christina here, perhaps telling her she will be voted out.

It's completely subjective, I suppose, but I read Kim's expression as exchanging a knowing look with Chelsea (as in, see? this is why Alicia will never win jury votes) and looking very uncomfortable at whatever Alicia is saying to Christina.


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42. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Karchita, I agree. That's how I read it too.

VG, good point about Tarzan. Definitely agree it's risky to bring a man to the end, even if it's Tarzan. Maybe he's wearing Kat's clothes this week to try to remind them he's really a woman from the jury's perspective .

From Kim's perspective, if she sees Tarzan "emerging from the background" and starting to strategize with Alicia and Christina, she might decide to cut him off. And that would limit Alicia's options.

I mentioned below that it seems somewhat dangerous for Kim to cut either Sab/Chelsea this week and be left "outnumbered" with Tarzan/Christina/Alicia next week. She has the HII but it still doesn't seem to put her in as powerful as a position -- unless she truly trusts the 3 goats won't gang up. Certainly Alicia seems to hate Christina, so maybe that's what keeps those 3 from allying in the end. And Kim might have all 3 wrapped around her fingers...would love to know how Kim is playing them. We rarely see interactions between Kim and Christina....we did get the "boss lady" comment last week from Tarzan.

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05-07-12, 07:31 AM (EST)
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61. "Tarzan spec"
If the others are suggesting Tarzan be the boot, it may explain why Alicia looks so unhappy in that sequence.

Definitely am on board with this line of thinking, Volcanic Glass and Squid. And, as Squid notes, the clues fit....someone from the background emerges to strategize and I do believe that is Tarzan. Agree that Kim will note this and may cut his throat...or, aim the gun at Tarzan and then work to blindside Sabrina. She was Kim's first choice last week, and most likely is this week as well. Tarzan could be the misdirection.

I think Alicia is the one that brings up chopping out Chelsea and that puts Chelsea on the defense....another distraction to cover the real target, Sabrina.

Just talking out loud, here!

We rarely see interactions between Kim and Christina. Last week Kim told us when she was on the reward that she indeed had an alliance with Christina since day one as well....fwiw.

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05-03-12, 02:16 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
It looks like that "I want to win" footage is recycled footage. Tarzan injured his face early in the game. Check the similar scabs from an Episode 2 photo and the confessional sequence.

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16. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Thanks VG. I was struggling to see how Tarzan could win any challenge (sorry, but I am not buying into him having "nimble surgeon fingers" that could win a skill challenge). In your middle picture, if the injury on his cheek isn't enough, I not that his moustache is cleaner as well (much less shaggy). If he won reward and got a razor, he could clean shave his chin (as shown) but it would be very hard to trim the moustache with just as razor as seems to be shown.
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17. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"

I was kind of wondering whether the video sequence could have been culled from an earlier time in the game and married to the rest of the confessional (which is VO).

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22. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
This was the kind of stuff that caused me to quit watching after Borneo until the all stars. Nice ya'll caught it though.
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24. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
Ah ha! Nice catch indeed!

The reason I did't want to think that it was from the past was the fact that Tarzan was "giving up" to the girls... Like DAY 1?

Could be why he went with them so easily with the merge, he was buttering them up with this play since the beginning.

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23. "Just making sure..."
One thing I've learned from FlowerPower is to keep my mind open to all options. So with that in mind I'm gonna throw something out for consideration. I figure it's probably there's about a 95% chance that the vidcap showing Alicia with the immunity necklace means she won the IC but should we also consider the possibility that it's just a shot of her randomly holding it?
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25. "RE: Just making sure..."
One thing I've learned from FlowerPower is to keep my mind open to all options.

Amen, Ollie, Amen! And, you never know!

This vidcap...

Kim is smirking, trying to hold back a smile, knowing look, at Chelsea. If she were really mad at Chelsea, she would be avoiding her eye contact...imo.

Chelsea is staring daggers at Alicia. And it looks like Alicia is giving Christina some nasty comments and sarcasm...again.

To me, it doesn't appear that Chelsea and Kim are at odds here....if they were, Kim wouldn't be giving that look to Chelsea, imo.

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40. "RE: Just making sure..."
Flo Po, that's how I read this shot too. Interesting no Sabrina.
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43. "RE: Just making sure..."
To me, it doesn't appear that Chelsea and Kim are at odds here....if they were, Kim wouldn't be giving that look to Chelsea, imo.

Kim has mostly played the game as a strategic player, rather than an emotional player. If she's plotting to vote off Chelsea, she would be doing it for strategic reasons, not because she's mad at her.

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47. "RE: Just making sure..."
Kim didn't have any trouble voting for Kat last week - she was never presented as having emotional struggles over whether to go along or finding a way to save Kat, etc - unlike Chelsea who was shown agonizing which way to go when the likes of Jay and Michael were still in the game.
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60. "RE: Just making sure..."
If she's plotting to vote off Chelsea, she would be doing it for strategic reasons, not because she's mad at her.

Gothmog: I have noted Kim and her appeal to Chelsea in the above picture because of this clue...


AN UNLIKELY BETRAYAL WITHIN AN ALLIANCE PUTS ONE CASTAWAY ON THE DEFENSE

From the clue above we know that whoever is being betrayed is aware of it and they go on the defense. So, the picture I posted up above, reveals per Kim's body language, that all "seems" well with her and Chelsea....imo. Meanwhile, Chelsea is staring daggers at Alicia so perhaps Alicia is gunning for Chelsea and she gets wind of it....or not? Just an observation.

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26. "Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o834v0ryNik

Transcript

VO: Survivor Finale Week kicks off Wednesday.
Probst: "Go!"
Probst: "This is it! Right here!"
VO: Will the strongest allies tear each other apart?
Kim: (confessional) "To put everything I have on the line, for Chelsea and Sabrina, seems like a really unwise decision."
VO: And with just two episodes left...
Sabrina: (confessional) "Somebody has to make a big move."
VO: .... no one can be trusted.
Tarzan: "I believe they're deceiving us."
Alicia: "Yeah."
Sabrina: (confessional) "It's really hard to not believe Kim."
Chelsea: (confessional) "I know she's got my back."
Alicia: (confessional) "Maybe she's playing me."
VO: Don't miss a new Survivor, Wednesday, and the Finale, CBS Sunday."




































































































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27. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
Editors are dipping into the recycling well again in this promo. E10 vs E13

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33. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
>Editors are dipping into the recycling
>well again in this promo.

Yep, what is up with that?! So much earlier stuff of Sabrina and Tarzan.

And they're dipping into the recycling well for the challenge too. Wasn't this fish hook/fish bone puzzle just a couple seasons ago? I'm pretty sure it was Rob's winning season with Grant, Ashley, crazy Phillip and Natalie. (Interesting parallels, ha.)

Hard to believe that Alicia could win this one. It requires patience.

Looks like Sabrina is looking over at someone else's to figure it out.


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35. "RC?"
This challenge was for both reward and immunity in RI, there should be two challenges in this episode. Looking over the caps I find no indication of the IN or even anywhere to hang the IN.

Alicia winning immunity on a puzzle challenge seems pretty unlikely.

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41. "RE: RC?"
Good point Dabo. Could be RC. We don't get a good view of the end of the course by the fish bones so hard to tell for sure.

I'll have to dig up the old fish bone challenge but as I recall it wasn't too hard, just tedious.

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28. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
Thanks for posting, OFG....Tarzan is the one who is talking now with Alicia and Christina...

Also, the hype is...no one can be trusted, and the gist of it is, WHO WILL KIM DECIDE TO BOOT...Sabrina or Chelsea?

And, I think I know who is next in line and I don't think it's Chelsea...fwiw....at this point in time...

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29. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
I tend to agree that it likely isn't Chelsea, but I do find it curious that the statement, Chelsea: (confessional) "I know she's got my back." was included - if the average viewer knows that Kim and Chelsea have been edited as being thick as thieves, why does this statement need to be included?

Sounds to me like there's some sort of betrayal between these two that may or may not result in one being booted right away but could eventually lead to a storyline where one goes at the expense of the other during the final two boots before F3 (if not this coming episode).

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Kim has HII security, buddy Chelsea is the only one who shares this info. Even though she should want not to have to play it, if a majority is rallied against her somehow she of course should. If Chelsea informs her of such a rally and she plays the idol to save herself, the one person she cannot send to the jury is Chelsea, Kim and Chelsea voting together determine the boot.

In this scenario Chelsea becomes at risk only if the revolution suspects Kim has the idol and will play it, switching targets.

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31. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
Chelsea would gain nothing by telling the others that Kim has the idol. They may suspect it, but they wouldn't know for sure or that she hadn't passed it off to Chelsea. As long as Kim and Chelsea stick together, they are both safe, so I think they will do that.


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32. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
I believe the biggest jury threats in the game right now are Sabrina and Chelsea. For Kim I believe that the biggest challenge threat is Chelsea. I believe the unlikely betrayal could be Chelsea but Sabrina is not an unlikely choice. The scene between Alicia and Christina could be misdirection to make Chelsea think Christina is the one going home, setting up Chelsea blind side. I don't know I am 50/50 between Chelsea and Sabrina as of right now.
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34. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
In this scenario Chelsea becomes at risk only if the revolution suspects Kim has the idol and will play it, switching targets.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that Chalsea feels like if Kim goes to the F3 with her that Kim will win, we have already seen Kim thinking this same thing last episode.

So, what if, after Alicia wins immunity Chalsea decides to betray Kim and try and blindside her now while she doesn't have immunity? If Chalsea makes the choice that she would rather be up against anyone else in the final 3 then now would be the ideal time to get rid of Kim since she may win out immunity if they don't strike now.

Alls Chalsea has got to do to convince the others that they should vote out Kim now is by spilling the beans about the idle. Then they just pretend they are targeting Sabrina and make Kim feel like she doesn't have to play it.

I saw someone say earlier that if it were Kim or Chalsea going this week they would be hyping the betrayal even more and maybe they will as it gets closer to the showtime.

I may be way off base but its worth considering.

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That's certainly plausible about Chelsea convincing the others that they should boot Kim by spilling the beans about the idle idol -- but the danger for Chelsea is that most of the tribe are under Kim's spell, so how can she be sure that one of them won't immediately go to Kim and tell her what Chelsea and others are plotting?

Regardless of who's targeting whom (Kim deciding Chelsea is too much of a threat or Chelsea deciding she needs to blindside Kim with the HII in her pocket), it has the very real possibility of blowing up in the face.

This should be interesting! Can't wait for the weekend promos...

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The problem for Kim at this point isn't booting Chelsea, it is sending an angry betrayed Chelsea to the jury who will vote based on who she thinks is deserving, which might not be Kim. (Might not be Sabrina either, come to think of it, since she does the "least for the tribe.) Kat was a safe boot because Kim and Chelsea were outnumbered and couldn't save her, and Kat loves Kim and idolizes Chelsea. Chelsea needs to be involved in a plot against Kim, but that might make her undeserving. The body language in the group photo where Alicia is holding IN doesn't make it seem like Kim and Chelsea have broken up.

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38. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
Right, so if Chelsea's going this week, then Kim has to find a way to frame it as a case of being outnumbered again, so the vitriol can be spread elsewhere.
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39. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
>Kim has to
>find a way to frame
>it as a case of
>being outnumbered again, so the
>vitriol can be spread elsewhere.

Agreed. The best thing that could happen for Kim is if Alicia/Tarzan/Christine gang up this week (we do see them conspiring in the promo) and say they're voting out Sabrina or Chelsea. Then Kim could say she has no choice but go along with the majority. Otherwise she'd have to force a 3-3 tie/go for the purple rocks. That could be why she's saying in the promo that it would be unwise for her to lay it all on the line for Chelsea and Sabrina.

Sabrina and Chelsea are the biggest physical and jury threats from Kim's and Alicia's perspective. On the other hand, does Kim trust the 3 goats (Alicia/Tarzan/Christine) enough to be left outnumbered with them in the F5? She does have the HII on her side.

Which reminds me, when is the last time Kim can play the HII? F5?

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50. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
Chelsea could hurt Kim another way. Simply go to Kim and tell her that she knows the rest of the tribe is planning to vote Kim out. Get Kim to worry and play her HI at TC. It would expose to everyone that Kim had the HI and did not share that info with them. And it would get the HI out of play so Kim no longer has it. Chelsea could play dumb after and say she was led to believe they were voting for Kim. Kim can't prove who is lying. And it just might get the rest of the tribemates upset that Kim did not confide having the HI. They all seem to think they are close to Kim. This might make them doubt her.
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51. "RE: Full (Web) Promo Vidcaps"
Chelsea had to be forced into eliminating Jay and you guys think she will do something on her own to lie to Kim? I don't think so. She could go along with a plan after much inner turmoil but not do it herself.
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44. "Boss Lady"
Were we shown that moment with Kim and Tarzan for amusement or is there something else to it? Who is really in control, or thinks they are?

Sabrina spearheaded the Kat boot not knowing she herself was being set up for a blindside. Tactically she is in a control position if she can maintain it. If Sabrina spearheads a Chelsea blindside she really shouldn't let Kim in on it. Chelsea goes, Kim has lost her two loyal followers.

Fly in the ointment is she doesn't know about Kim's HII (though may suspect that Kim or Chelsea has it). If word reaches Kim she can save Chelsea with her HII and they boot Sabrina. Or she can sit on her HII, let Chelsea go, knowing she will be next on Sabrina's target list but she can save herself and boot Sabrina then.

Tough call, but Sabrina goes to the jury either way, all because she was forced by a stupid rule to give the HII she found to a Manono.

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45. "RE: Boss Lady"
> but Sabrina goes to
>the jury either way, all
>because she was forced by
>a stupid rule to give
>the HII she found to
>a Manono.

I kind of like that twist. It would have been more interesting who Sab gave it too if no Colton. The message with idol stated it was for the Manono tribe. There was nothing stopping her from continuing to look for the idol designated for the Salani tribe, which she probably did, but Kim beat her to it.

I think it was the tweets revealed Alicia was the go between with Tarzan, but that was probably early, when the merged group was new & larger. The "boss lady" thing shows Tarzan knows where the power is, & its not with Alicia (except in her own mind). I don't think Sabrina has any real power like Kim. More of too many "anybody but me" contestants left & going with the flow. Kim also seemed to get convinced that Kat was a jury threat & Kim was not willing to try to overcome the popular choice & save Kat. I don't think Sabrina will spearhead a Chelsea boot, unless it comes out Sabrina was initial target last week.

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46. "RE: Boss Lady"
Kat voted for Sabrina so that's already out.
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48. "RE: Boss Lady"
>Kat voted for Sabrina

But isn't that all Sabrina knows ... that Kat thought Sabrina was the one being blindsided? Sab likely knew who Kat was voting for before the vote. Wouldn't you want to know who the bootee would be voting for if you were in Sab's place? Considering its blindside of one of your own, I'd think Kim would want Sabrina to know Sab was the decoy blindside before TC. Sabrina seemed most vocal about Kat's choices at RC, does least at camp, while Kat think's she she's a "provider", & seems well liked & respected by all, Sab should be able to handle not screwing up & revealing Kat boot to Kat better than any but maybe Kim. Kim seems to know when to do "damage control", how far to take it, acts without hesitation & no problem lying to Mike, Jay & Troy.

Maybe I missed something, but I see no reason to believe Sab knwos she was the initial blindside target. She may not be 100% convinced by Kim's damage control, who does she trust the most at this point ... I think Kim & Chelsea ... Sab's F# at this point.

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53. "RE: Boss Lady"
Kat voted Sabrina, Kat was expecting Sabrina to be blindsided, Kat was a team player, follow the logic. Sabrina is smart. Whatever damage control Kim and Chelsea have done, Alicia knows the truth and can use that to get closer with Sabrina. With Kim and Chelsea working in tandom you either break them up or secure your own tandom partner and try to counteract them.
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68. "RE: Boss Lady"

>... "team" ... "Sabrina is smart"
>Alicia knows the truth and
>can use that to get
>closer with Sabrina.

Exactly! Kat, Sabrina, Kim & Chelsea = core 4 from the Instant Beach Alliance since the start of game + Alicia, who is not well liked & was separated from the rest for a while. Sabrina knows Kat would not vote Sabrina & talk of blindside without Kim, Chelsea & Alicia support, just as Sabrina would not have voted Kat without knowing she had Kim, Chelsea & Alicia support. (4 votes carry at last TC) Turned out the way Sab expected with Kat being blindsided.

Sabrina being smart, would want to know what the whole plan was & what Kat was believing. Kim, also being smart, would want Sab to know Sab was the decoy blindside to Kat. If they had actually planned it that way, it would have been a great plan, for all of the reason Kim wants Sab out. If Kim did not advise Sab beforehand, Kim should have an easy sale to cover herself afterwards.

Sab may have doubts, may even raise the question back at camp after TC, but I think not likely. I think the most likely way it "comes out Sabrina was initial target last week" is if someone tells Sab to "use that". You say Alicia, I think it would be Christina (if Christina knew), as Christina is the one most likely to try to shake the big alliance up. Tarzan is going to stay with "Boss Lady" unless the numeres materialize.


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72. "RE: Boss Lady"
The easiest way to do damage control, IMHO, is simply tell Sabrina that Kat was set on blindsiding her, so they let Kat think that they were on board so she wouldn't get suspicious and have a freak out. Wasn't time before tribal to tell Sabrina about it, but knew there was only going to be one vote Sabrina.

One vote by the bootee does not a conspiracy make. A close vote, out of the blue, that is different. That tells the person who is left that they weren't in the loop.

Sabrina may want to make a move, but she has a few ways to go.
1) Get rid of Kim or Chelsea, betray her F3 (that she believes in).
2) Get rid of one of the big goats so that Kim's options decrease.
3) Go for Alicia as the original alliance member who could replace Sab in a F3.

What defines a big move?
Maybe it is just that Sabrina makes it happen and not Kim. Sabrina needing to play pro-actively and not let Kim run the show ... it is time ... little does she know that the jury are already stating they will vote for her, and her real job is to stay alive in the game.

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49. "Misfits 2.0"

It seems Tarzan learned a thing or two during his stay at Manono. That new trio of misfits (Christina beng the third just off screen) could do a lot of damage. I still say that booting Tarzan would be good for Kim: She could take his spot between those two goats.
The clues don't point to a Tarzan elimination so I wonder if Kim simply goes with those 3, blaming them for Sabrina's (or Chelsea's) elimination. It would explain her comment about it being unwise to do everything to save Chelsea and Sabrina

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55. "RE: Misfits 2.0"
Yeah. Trying to think outside the Kim-Chelsea betrayal box, Sabrina as a ringleader was one viable option. Alicia as a wildcard disruptive player messing up as many of the others' games as she can is also a possibility, though she is more opportunistic in the moment than a long-range planning character. And then we have the it shouldn't have happened but guess what, Manono2 has reached parity with Salani2, a goat alliance.
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52. "PIP Promo Vidcaps"
VO: Survivor. Will the game's strongest allies tear each other apart? It's a new Survivor Wednesday.






















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54. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps"
Well it by the looks of this PIP promo the teaser, "Next week, a tribe member emerges from the background to join strategy talks", is referring to Christina. Now if we can only figure out who the unlikely betrayal is. I am still going back and fourth between Sabrina and Chelsea. But we do see Christina conspiring with Chelsea so it could be a Kim blind side.
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57. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps"
>But we do see Christina
>conspiring with Chelsea so it
>could be a Kim blind
>side.


For all we know, Chelsea could be telling Christina that wants to go to the end with deserving players and she's telling Christina that she will be going right after Tarzan.

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58. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps"
LAST EDITED ON 05-07-12 AT 00:33 AM (EST)


Red top Christina.


Buff top Christina.

I doubt Chelsea would conspire with Christina, but she might let it slip to red top that Kim has the HII.

(And michel, reply to post #57, Chelsea doesn't talk about deserving players, she talks about deserving people. )

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Thanks VG! Good stuff. Interesting to see Chelsea and Christina talking. Based on this vidcap and also the handshake, Christina could fit the "emerging from the background" to talk strategy clue (as well as Tarzan). And let's face it: Christina is a much better goat vs. Tarzan for both Kim and Alicia.

Hmmm, so why is Kim looking so excited in the vidcaps with Alicia? That is the most animated I've seen her all season! It doesn't appear to be at a challenge or reward. Looks like they are just talking strategy on the beach, but something has obviously happened to make her so darn happy.

Also, what is the black thing in the vidcap with Kim, Sabrina and Chelsea? It almost looks like Kim is holding something up to show them? They don't look happy, especially Sab. (ETA: Kim seems to have same clothes/hairdo in both this scene and the one where she's so happy with Alicia. Could they be related? i.e., she sets up Sab/Chelsea, then reports back how well it went with Alicia?)

So looks like the 3 goats are finally ganging up...but the fact that they're showing us the handshake seems like it's doomed to fail/alliances revealed

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59. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps"
I wonder if the black thing is a scroll from Tree mail describing the next challenge.

Looks like Alicia is there when Tarzan & Christina make a pact. Maybe Alicia "betrays" this new alliance & goes & tells Kim everything, which would understandably cause Kim to crack up laughing. Alicia is "delusional" & thinks she can beat Kim and/or Chelsea and/or Sabrina in the final TC. Would mask Tarzan or Christina next boot. Although Sabrina seems to be well liked & respected, Jayson & Lief said they would vote for her at Ponderosa ... the rest don't know that, but they do see all the interaction we see plus a lot that we don't see. Sabrina may be the most dangerous in FTC, so no one wants to go with her to final TC. Could be the goats play into Kim's hand & also want to vote out Sabrina. The goats/misfits should gang up, but they never seem to in any of the seasons I've watched.

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62. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps"
>>> The goats/misfits should gang up, but they never seem to in any of the seasons I've watched.

True, but if they were real players, they wouldn't be goats. We keep hoping for a revelation of a wolf who was hiding in goat's clothing until time came to pounce, but most of the time they really are the goats they seem.

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64. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps"
>Also, what is the black thing
>in the vidcap with Kim,
>Sabrina and Chelsea? It almost
>looks like Kim is holding
>something up to show them?

Per Sucks: "This picture is straight out of episode 8."

http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/94593/S24E13-It-s-Human-Nature?page=6 Post #107

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63. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
I know it is fun to spec that Kim could go here, but it's not realistic.

The editors would never put the whole season in one person's basket if that player was not in the Finale/Finals. If Kim went now, the Finale wouldn't have any kind of anchor. It would be -- Kim is gone, now what?

While it would be an interesting way to go IMHO, that's not how they edit this show. It would be like Samoa with Russell not in the finale, or RI Finale without Boston Rob, or South Pacific without Coach and Ozzy. This season is the story of how Kim played the game, and they do not do that for someone who placed sixth.

At most we finally get an episode where Kim feels vulnerable from her own original alliance and not from Troy bouncing her with an idol. And maybe not that.

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65. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
So true! I don't think I've seen one unfavorable presentation of Kim. Sabrina has had a couple, Chelsea, in spite of her stmt. when meeting her father at RC of her being a "Hard #####" in the game, has been shown as quite tentative when talking strategy even with Kim, & while not deferring to Kim, Chelsea has usually seem deferential to Kim, IMHO, where Kim is quite assertive even with Chelsea when stating "Sabrina 1st". The rest of the surviving cast have been bad or worse, except for maybe the invisible Christina, who may suddenly make an appearance on the show, only to be voted off soon thereafter!
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66. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
That is how I see it also.
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67. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
michel,
you have been all over the Kim edit from the beginning.

It's interesting that we're not being shown as much of Kim's social game as we might be. Kat says Kim rocked her to sleep. Kim is a mother figure stuff. Why are they showing the Kim is calculating persona and not the other side?

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70. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
- Maybe she doesn't win
- Maybe they want to keep viewers thinking that others don't like her so that the FTC vote isn't obvious.
- Maybe they've heard us complain that they never show smart, scheming women so they went for the strict clinical player edit.
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71. "RE: S24 E13 Vidcaps"
All excellent ideas!

Chelsea is being downplayed a little too. Kat says she is so in awe of her. Kat even thinks she couldn't beat Chelsea or Sabrina, but could maybe beat Kim. Kat is not the brightest bulb, but we're not being shown the Chelsea worship ... yet she has a very interesting edit in terms of being highlighted deliberately.

Interesting that they released Ponderosa clips where the men say they expect Sabrina is next ... and they want to see Kim out (but players wanted to see Boston Rob out, still voted for him) ... and the "big dogs" are Chelsea, Sabrina, Kim. Tarzan is for F4 and Christina won't go yet, per Kat ...

Will be interesting to see how right on the jurors are.

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69. "pics are up"
The pics are up at the express site. Lots of pics up this week. Looks like the Bone puzzle is the IC and the RC looks like a series of puzzles as well.
http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/survivor-one-world/photos
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73. "RE: pics are up"
yep

RC seems to involve a series of puzzles

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74. "pics are up"


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75. "RE: pics are up"
Is Chelsea carrying tree mail here? Strategizing or just chatting?


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76. "RE: pics are up"
Isn't that Tarzan's thong??
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77. "RE: pics are up"

Looks like Sabrina is close to winning reward. Does she betray her alliance by sharing with Tarzan? Christina? Both?

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78. "RE: pics are up"
>
>
>Looks like Sabrina is close to
>winning reward. Does she
>betray her alliance by sharing
>with Tarzan? Christina?
>Both?

Huh?
What makes you think Sabrina is any closer to finishing than anyone else? At the very least 2 maybe more are at the same station. You can see Chelsea and her shadow next to her. Kim is past the last station so is next to or beyond her. Tarzan could be at station 3 because she is blocking the view of that.

I actually believe Kim either wins or is taken on reward. I don't recall ever seeing that bikini top before and her hair is clean and combed in this pic.

I might even venture to imagine all 3 here go on reward.

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79. "RE: pics are up"
I'm just noting she in that pic is closer to the finish than


him and


her.

It suggests a Sabrina win is all.

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80. "RE: pics are up"

This is station #5 after the pic with Sabrina and Chelsea both at station #4. It could be Chelsea passed her. If Tarzan was behind Chelsea at this point I think you would be able to see him in this pic. So he is likely next to her too. Nothing to suggest Sab is any where but with the pack.
I don't want to be argumentative but the pics just don't support your gut feelings for a Sabrina win.

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82. "RE: pics are up"
With the vid up now I concede your point, Chelsea does seem to be the first this time to prove she can do a puzzle, and then Alicia.
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83. "RE: pics are up"
Piggybacking on the "Kim has clean hair" comment earlier:

...looks like Chelsea's hair is also fresh and clean. (that is, it's long, not bobbed like the other challenge, or under a hat like every-other day)

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84. "Denim shorts?"
Where did Christina get the new shorts? I went back through the last 4 sets of vidcaps, and don't see her with denim shorts on in any of them.

Could it be that Kat left some shorts and Christina has claimed them (as Tarzan seems to have claimed her bikini)? Could one of the other girls just shrunk too much to wear them?

That would seem a weird part of a reward, so I am going with the shorts are from Kat's clothes that didn't go with her to TC.

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85. "RE: Denim shorts?"
Yep they're Kat's shorts. They're the same colour tone of jeans and Kat initially had them longer, then cut them shorter.
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86. "RE: pics are up"
>I don't recall ever seeing
>that bikini top before...

I looked back and realized the is her bra, she just hasn't been shown wearing it for some time.



>her hair is clean and combed in this pic.
>

that is this week... now compare that to last week

same hair-do couple of day earlier.
Looks freshly washed to me.

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81. "RC13 BTS - 'Spinning Wheel'"
The Behind The Scenes video w/DreamTeamers is up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na2kkpHbUQI&feature=player_embedded

Survivor Fever has screencaps up here:
http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s24_ep13_challenge.html
Caption:
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In the 'Spinning Wheel' challenge, executive producer and host Jeff Probst discusses how the object of the game is to get the contestants dizzy and then race to solve a puzzle.
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Sampling of caps...


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