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"S24 E8 Vidcaps"
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"S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
Discussion of Episode 8 Vidcaps.
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03-29-12, 01:06 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Preview Vidcaps" |
So we see here they are discussing some guy being a big threat and Jay and Troy are present. It looks like they are at least considering voting off Micheal. Kim is discussing making their big move which will change things for the rest of the game. I suspect they are talking about making a big move which would out their alliance with Troy and Jay. I would think they would be better off keeping that a secret and voting Micheal off or convincing the girls to target Leif.
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03-29-12, 09:43 AM (EST)
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4. "Observations from Preview Promo" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-29-12 AT 09:45 AM (EST)
Well, when the girls suggest who they should vote out next, we have a group of Chelsea, Alicia, Kat, Jay, and Troyzan....so Chelsea is talking about this in front of a mixed group, which makes Alicia feel comfortable, she's included in the boot talk...
Then when we see Tarzan here, feeling "jittery"...
He is there most likely with the guys that are also feeling jittery....we see Jay there and someone else's shoulder....Tarzan's....doesn't look tall enough to be Mike's and it's not Leif's. Then when Kat says...."He's a big threat. He needs to be taken out ASAP." (Clearly talking about Mike), and then we hear YEAH from Alicia. This to me was classic OFG theory....Alicia....seen feeling comfortable in the mix....not a good sign for Alicia, imo. Finally, we hear Kim say.... "So, we have to decide if we're going to, like, make our move. Because this is never going to be the same. " Look who she is talking to....the two girls in her nuSalani group that are NOT in her core four. So, she is liable to be leading them down a false path....? Most likely, they are indeed talking about taking Michael out....Most likely inferring, if we take Michael out, we cut our nuSalani ties and stand firm with our old Salani alliance. This is going to be misleading, imo. Then we hear Kim with a classic last confessional before the TC..."I'm not exactly sure how this is going to go down"....it will either be Michael, OR, it will be Alicia...imo...so far. (Tarzan is also a valid boot option as well, but for all intents and purposes he is not at all seen in the preview promo, so, I have to work with what they give us...)
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03-29-12, 10:44 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Observations from Preview Promo" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-29-12 AT 10:53 AM (EST)Thanks VG for the vidcaps! Re: "we see Jay there and someone else's shoulder....Tarzan's....doesn't look tall enough to be Mike's and it's not Leif's" That's Kat. Compare to this pic...
Troy is in the foreground w/his back to us and Kat sits opposite with Jay to her left. So when you look from Jay's POV back at Troy, the shoulder on his right must be Kat.
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03-29-12, 07:12 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Actually...." |
I think you may indeed be correct. I was just so used to Jay having so much hair. In that pic I can see his neck so I Just thought short hair. But I now see by some of the other pics that he must be tucking his hair into his buff.
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16. "RE: Actually...." |
You can also see a hint of Kat's yellow bra strap on the shoulder in the last picture. It's her, no question.
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26. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
I'm just glad Jay is using something besides his mind this time to do the math:-p
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30. "Clues" |
Well, the vo clues:VO: These women are torn between alliances. They show Chelsea, Kim, Kat, Sabrina....the girls from nu Salani...torn between their old tribe, and their new tribe. Kim: (confessional) "I feel like it's time for the girls to take over this game." Kim wants to take out the guys, but will she be over-ridden?
VO: Who will they choose? See TROY....Will Troy be chosen as the target of the girls?
Troyzan: (confessional) "I want to stick with this group to the very end."
VO: Who will they betray? See Jay....will they choose Troy and betray Jay? Note that this is all about the girls and who they will betray...
Jay: (confessional) "They very well might come after me."
VO: It's the biggest Survivor shocker yet.
Kim: "We're about to make our move." So, the girls are making a move implying they will go after a guy, either Troyzan or Jay...
VO: A major player is about to get played. Once the voiceover tells us that a major player is about to get played, we see them show Chelsea, Troy, then end with Jay.....they are 3 out of the 4 major players...
Kim: (confessional) "We can start sending these guys home."
Jay: (confessional) "I think it's just a safe vote to knock out a girl." He is telling us that the guys will vote for someone benign, like Alicia or Christina....it's a "safe vote" to knock out a girl....
Kim: "This is never going to be the same, if we do this." They will draw the lines regarding their true alliances if they make the move, it will be clear that they will take out all of the guys, OR, that they will take out the nuManono tribe. Sounds like they are going after one of their allies,...Troy or Jay. Who will they choose....TROY
Who will they betray....Jay
Who will be played...Chelsea, Troy, Jay With all of the daws there, it's hard to say that they aren't all OFG candidates....hmmmm?
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63. "Observation..." |
When Kim is here...
...when she says...Kim: (confessional) "We can start sending these guys home." Then we see the guys.... 
Leif and Tarzan, followed by Michael and Jay... 
Then Jay follows with voting off the girl is the safe vote. I noticed when Kim says that we can start sending these guys home, that there is no picture of TROY! Is that misdirection, oversight, significant...?
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29. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
I would also like to point out the promo may be foretelling. in the middle of the promo is this message. 
Fallowed by this image 
Every thing seems to point to Troy. Could this be misleading us?
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33. "More spec" |
Every thing seems to point to Troy. Could this be misleading us?The promos tell us that one of the major players is going to be played. The promos indicate it will be either Troyzan, Jay, or Chelsea. We know that Christina is the odd girl out. SHe was going to stay with Jonas, but Jonas bought his ticket out. Christina is the outlier, the one that is not in the alliance. She is the most likely to pull a Benedict Arnold. Troy won the first immunity last week. If he doesn't win immunity this week, he has got to be on the women's radar. If they choose to go after Troy, perhaps Christina could give them a heads up. If she does at all, or if any of them let it slip, then Troy will play his idol, and whoever the guys vote for, would go home. If any of the guys get wind of the plan, Chelsea will go home. She is the only major player that is female that is hinted at in the promos, and she had a fitting confessional spike with the last episode. Food for thought...
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35. "RE: More spec" |
Arnold:Chalsea is safe get used to it. A man will go home this week for sure. Arnold....you do not know if Chelsea is safe or not, and you need to get used to it. You can speculate that she is safe, but you do not definitively know ANYTHING. So, quit being a jerk and state what is speculation. And, if you have inside information, like you hinted you did last week, then you need to note your source. So far, I don't see you as an independent thinker. Kim and Chelsea won't be booting Troy or Jay quite yet but if they do it would be Jay first. Again, that is your speculation or your opinion, and for what it's worth, you don't even give any rationale why you think it would be Jay first. If you don't have observations or rationale to back up your opinions you can keep them to yourself. We have made a good argument for it to be Troy....Troy won the first individual immunity challenge, while Jay did not. Troy is set up nicely for a big fall....not saying that will happen, but it is good spec. Clearly, if Kim and Chelsea decide to boot one of them, you could argue one or the other, imo. So, thinking that either could be targeted is logical.... If you think "Tarzan is a big target because Chalsea despises him", clearly you don't buy into editing much. I suggest you give it a read, you could learn something. You don't know if there will be idol play this week either....Anyone can write anything they want on these boards but until you spell out logic or rationale, it's nothing. In other words it's ok to state your opinion, but tell us why you think the way you do. Neither Michael or Tarzan would be blindsides when the girls have the numbers, Tarzan is the most obnoxious guy out there, and Michael is the big physical presence and just showed how well he can do in challenges in the RC, not to mention that Jonas brought him up as the threat at TC....
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37. "RE: More spec" |
A few thoughts-Promo's have been pretty spot on this season, not as misleading. Every tease of the next eppy is "shocking" "history making" and so on. Thus, (shocking)-probably not. (a major player)-yes. I suspect the girls target one of their boy allies, Jay figures it out, but he can't pull together enough peeps to counter their plan and vote out a power girl instead.
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38. "RE: More spec" |
You don't need to attack me or be rude FlowerPower I didn't think this site liked that kind of action.From the editing and from my opinion as I have explained in other posts so sorry if I didn't repeat it all here for you: Kim is obviously edited as the person we want to believe is in charge and Chalsea is her "right hand man". It makes perfect sense to believe that sense they are in two allainces post merge and both are strong (them and Jay/Troy and also in the all women) that they will call the shots and there is no real way for Jay and Troy to counter only trust it. Sense Christina was vulnerable and Alicia in her old tribe the merge helped them and they are going to cling to the women, I don't see any indication that any man could talk them into swaying now that Colton is gone. As for Tarzan he is no Philip and the girls (Chalsea and Kim) already got there goats in Kat and Alicia so why they need a man as a goat? Kim and Sabrina took note early that when the men stoled there stuff from the truck they new it was game on and they haven't forgotten that. I wasn't bashing your opinion I just think it is pretty obvious so maybe yes I am cocky when I say a man is going home this week and that Chalsea is safe. But cocky is a long way from rude and mean. As to why Jay is a bigger threat than Troy is because he has that soft spoken southern drawl and those big muscles on his body and has shown the group that he can lead the boot. Kim and Chalsea are keeping that as a note and they also don't know about Troy and the idle. If they don't stick with the plan and boot a numanano (Tarzan) then they will most likely target Mike sense he is a physical threat and not in the core 4. Does that explanation make you feel any better about my thinking? Not that I need your approval to post in this forum anyway. 
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03-31-12, 06:59 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: More spec" |
>your posting style is rubbing
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Rub people the wrong way? That's being rater polite. I felt like I was reading Polo over on Sucks, and this guy annoys me nearly as much!>Bottom line, if you don't want
>others to be rude or
>mean (your words) to you,
>don't post in a way
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>something hidden behind it or
>potentially accuse someone of something
>in a hit-and-run posting. If you have a real spoiler, say so, other wise just say that's what you think and maybe why you think that and stop being so pushy and full of yourself. That behavior is OK (and encouraged ) over at Sucks but it is not appreciated here. Just my 2 cents
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03-31-12, 09:07 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: More spec" |
>Calling someone a jerk is rude
>and mean no matter if
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Her problem and mine is you never said it was an OPINION, you stated it as FACT and treated everyone that said anything different was stupid to disagree with you. And that is RUDE!!!
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03-31-12, 08:10 PM (EST)
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41. "Hey, Arnold!" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-12 AT 10:42 PM (EST)Much better. As the Apollo astronauts might say, looks like we've had our glitch for this mission.  Honestly, tension always builds up on the forum sometime every season and vents out somehow. The thing is those posts weren't contributing to the conversation, the discussion, but had an opposite air of being end of the conversation, so I can understand why some people may have felt annoyed or whatever. So, shake it off, remember to contribute, let's have fun.
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03-31-12, 09:29 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Hey, Arnold!" |
Semantics, she was addressing your actions (posting without really contributing to the discussion, as I see it) rather than your person. I can understand how you feel but shake it off, put it in perspective, zen on contribution.Anyway, WOO-HOO!, if this is the worst it gets this season, YAY! We've had much worse in the past, we don't need the bad vibes. Really, as for the show, this has been the best season in ages! Wouldn't you say so?
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03-31-12, 09:33 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Hey, Arnold!" |
Look Arnold, I am sorry if I offended you by telling you to quit "acting like a jerk". But, when you post in such a nasty way, that is what you "seem" to be. Please, if you have an opinion, by all means state it, but state it as such and give your rationale. You can disagree with people but give them a reason why you disagree.....just don't force your opinion on others....saying "Chelsea is safe get over it", is what I call rude and acting like a "jerk". I don't mean to offend you, I just want to point out that your posts are offensive. Regarding your post telling me after my spec and rationale that it was like someone whispered to me was offensive to me. I formulated it all on my own. If you read Whispers than state that you do but leave me out of it.
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58. "RE: Hey, Arnold!" |
Thanks Arnold. I look forward to your point of view....
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49. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
I think the promos could be straightforward: The women will choose to keep Troyzan and will betray Jay...or Michael. I'm not sure Michael would be called a power player but maybe he would in SEG's distorted vision of things.Or we're all wrong and the guys wake up and boot one of Kim, Chelsea or Sabrina who can't be discounted as a power player. To me, right now, Michael makes the most sense with Alicia as a back-up option. I don't think the showdown between Kim and Troyzan will happen just yet. Maybe that's wishful thinking as I'd like to see both top contenders remain longer. 
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04-01-12, 07:57 AM (EST)
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57. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-12 AT 08:07 AM (EST)Great spec, VG! Thanks so much for the PIP. Yes, I think that Kat could be filling in Kim and Sabrina at that point....Note that we see Sabrina has a beer bottle in her hand....perhaps returning from the reward... 
Kat most likely tells Sabrina and Kim, we need to take out Michael ASAP, he's the biggest threat....then we hear Kim note... So, we have to decide if we're going to, like, make our move. Because this is never going to be the same.
"This is never going to be the same, if we do this." They are noting that it will no longer be nuSalani vs. nuManono, but it will appear as though all of the girls are sticking together and voting out the men... If, however, this is Kat filling in Sabrina and Kim after their reward, which I agree it sure looks like, than there is still time for an IC and Michael could still win it.....so, their plan may be foiled. Food for thought....who will the girls minus Kim/Chelsea want to target if NOT Michael? That's the million dollar question... Here are the suspicious PIP pics sandwiched in the middle... 
Chelsea, Alicia, Christina, Michael, Troy, and Jay are ALL there....(darn!) Another possible scenario at this point....if the girls are adamant about taking out a physical threat, and Michael wins the IC, then the girls would want to target one of Troy or Jay....but, Kim would most likely talk them out of it, or not? If Kim and Chelsea vote separately from all of the girls, and all of the boys vote together, it will be a girl to go home. But, if Kim has as much control as we think she does, she will indeed control the vote. So, we have to think of what is best for Kim to determine who they will vote for. If Michael doesn't win the IC, I think he's toast.
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04-01-12, 11:44 AM (EST)
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59. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps" |
I'm kind of a beginner in the "reading the vidcaps for clues" game and have a couple of beginner questions.1) what in the world does PIP stand for?  I've been racking my brain and haven't come up with anything that remotely makes sense. 2) I haven't seen Kim mentioned as a possible target in this or the Ep Title thread - what are y'all seeing in the vidcaps that is eliminating her as a target? I keep trying to figure out who exactly these previews are aimed at. What I mean is, are they aimed at me (a person who reads a few different message boards and actively tries to figure them out), or are they aimed at the more casual viewer? I think if I knew who they were aimed at then I'd have a better idea of who fit the bill of a "shocking blindside". To me, "shocking" would be Kim or Troy, then probably Chelsea, Jay, Sabrina, and Michael in that order. To the casual viewer, "shocking" would probably mean anyone on NuSalani. And if it's shocking to the players themselves, then it would probably be anyone other than Greg or maybe Leif. Any thoughts?
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04-01-12, 12:14 PM (EST)
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60. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-12 AT 02:00 PM (EST)Hi OllieKat... (I have a cat named Oliver, we often shorten his name to "Ollie" ) PIP = Picture in Picture, where there's a smaller picture playing something in a corner of the TV while a different channel is on. About Kim... I think the thinking might be that based on the editing, she seems destined to go far, really far, in the game so that might be why people are not including her as a shocking blindside candidate - I've seen a couple of people throw her name, but really, at this point in the game all bets are off and nobody can truly be considered 100% safe. Even so, we've had absolutely no hints that Kim could be a boot coming up and we've been shown that she has her pulse on almost all parts of the game, while with almost everyone else, we've been shown a reason or two why they could be considered a boot. I believe that CBS aims their vidcaps at the average viewer, many of whom have no idea how to pick up hidden messages that might be present in a vidcap - for example, my wife is an 'average viewer' and she doesn't pick up on who's sitting with whom, whether there's an immunity idol in the background, whether a certain scene might be before or after IC based on buffs and clothes, etc. So you may very well be correct that just about anyone on NuSalani could be considered a "shocking blindside."
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What FloPo said.
What BF said.
Great minds think alike. 
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04-01-12, 11:34 PM (EST)
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83. "whether there's an immunity idol in the background" |
Probably best the the mrs misses the subtleties.Because aside from the occasional buff-o-matic, it looks like there might just be an idol gremlin let loose in the editing bay. 
Notice him in this shot of Sabrina and Tarzan? Almost smirking from from between them.
It was shown during the promos leading into Ep7.
But then...
When the real episode seven airs...
Notice anything missing?
Boy these editing guys are krazxy!
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88. "RE: whether there's an immunity idol in the background" |
Wow! That's amazing....looks like they got rid of it the photoshop way? Clearly, it had to have been there. That is a great find, Tribe! Fitting that your eagle eye didn't miss that! 
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91. "RE: whether there's an immunity idol in the background" |
I just couldn't let this go, so I had to check the CBS site for the full episode.
I believe the reason they edited out the idol was that they wanted us to think that this interaction with Chelsea was AFTER IC. It was before the IC and the idol was there but they needed to make it look like Tarzan was still on the radar at TC for the drama leading up to tribal. The wood chopping sequence was part of that video footage but happened at a different time too. Sab's hair is up in a braid while she is talking to Greg about his soiled drawers but while he's chopping the log her hair is down and frizzed out all over. It's made to look like this all happened in just a few minutes but it was pieced together form several different events. Now I wonder how many times they have done this that we missed?
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61. "Hiya OllieKat" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-12 AT 12:21 PM (EST)first of all, I'm glad that you are chiming in. Sometimes it is the casual viewer that can point something out to all of us that scour the vidcaps each and every week. But, I include you in the mix if you do indeed read message boards and try to figure it out... !. PIP= Picture in Picture promo....it is usually shown on Saturday night or Sunday on CBS when they are featuring some kind of sports....such as during NFL football, or say last night during the Final Four basketball, etc. It is usually a little hazy in quality, as they show it on the bottom of the screen right during the sports show, while the announcer says a little blurb about it....don't miss Survivor this week! So, usually there isn't a transcript with it. It comes out after the preview promo, which is "Next time on Survivor", that we get at the end of each weeks episode. Then there is the "Promo", which usually comes out sometime the day or two after the show aired, and is a longer commercial type format with a voiceover and transcript. Sure hope that helps. Then, while I am no expert on CBS and their hype, my opinion is that the promos are totally aimed at Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public and family....they are aimed at the general population to try and hook us into watching.... 2. Regarding your second question....I think you raise an excellent point. A MOST shocking blindside would be either Kim or Troy, because we know that they both have a HII. But, when the promos note that one major player will be played, they proceed to show VO: It's the biggest Survivor shocker yet.
Kim: "We're about to make our move." See Kim talk to Sabrina and Kat
VO: A major player is about to get played. See Alicia, Christina, Chelsea, Troy, Jay, and Michael.....NO sign of Kim, and she is the one stating...
Kim: (confessional) "We can start sending these guys home."
Jay: (confessional) "I think it's just a safe vote to knock out a girl."
Kim: "This is never going to be the same, if we do this." Kim in the promo is seen saying they are going to make their move, it will never be the same, time for the girls to take over this game, we can start sending these guys home, it's never going to be the same, if we do this....additionally she is not seen after "a major player is about to get played".... That leads most of the folks at Blows to not consider Kim as the major player about to get played.....but, nevertheless, as you point out: 1. She is a major player
2. It would really be a shocking blindside! Thanks for your thoughts!
ETA: What Pepe said!
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62. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-12 AT 12:44 PM (EST)First off thanks VG for the PiP caps and analysis/spec and FloPo for additionally breaking things down into logical thinking. > Olliekat
'PiP' mean 'Picture in Picture'...as in a tv promo during a basketball on TV where they only show the promo is a small window/picture almost always in a lower corner of the screen. There usually is no audio from the PiP promo only the annoucer of the basketball/football/golf/whatever? talking over it usually reading a script giving a very general idea of what the previewed episode is about...maybe some teasers if we're lucky. But never any dialogue I don't think. Anyway b/c the PiP window is so small when you enlarge it(even in HD presentation)the result is usually much less clear in the details than a full screen sized promo, so it's harder to spoil. A SEG/CBS/MD favorite ploy. W/re to whom the promos are aimed at. I'd say that anything on TV is 'aimed' at the general/average TV audience...the non-fanatic Survivor fan(ie casual viewer). Anything shown on the web/internet is 'aimed' at the more rabid Survivor fans who obsess over all the details. Hope this is helpful in sinking your teeth into 'vidcap'(shown on TV=video capture) and/or 'screencap'(shown on the web=monitor screen capture analysis. W/re to analysis about Kim...
It more of what folks *are* seeing about Kim...in the confessionals, Kim's interactions w/other players, Kim's comments, editing of her in positve light. The fact that she now has a HII is also a big factor in her safety...moreso of her power or potential power to influence the game's directions and boot targets than pure safety, as we have seen several players booted with the HII in the pockets in seasons gone by. But the HII *is* a factor. Look how Colton used it to gain control and direct the boots and yet never played it. Some of it is just fear of the bounce being 'me'. Anyway that's seems to be the general feeling about where Kim is at right now...the catbird seat. Not infallible but in control at the moment. Edit to add...
- What pepe said
- What FloPo said
obviously we're covering the same ground here in our answers...lol
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66. "RE: Kim?" |
Pepe, FloPo, BFreddy, and Michel: thank you so much for the answers, it definitely helps this newbie I can't believe I couldn't figure out Picture in Picture for myself!I think part of why I brought up Kim was because I was looking for some reassurance that she wasn't likely to be booted. This is one of those very rare seasons that someone I want to win is actually playing well and is edited as a potential winner One worry I have about her is that she may not be harnessing the power of the idol as much as she could since (as far as we know) only Chelsea knows about it. Of course, the same could be said about Troy. It seems like the "power player" this week might very well turn out to be Christina. To boot a woman, the guys would have to bring in a woman and I would think Christina would be the one they'd try to bring in unless Greg insists Alicia is the one to talk to. And then if the women want to blindside a NuSalani without Jay and Troy they need to bring in another NuManano (I'm counting Alicia as a women's vote they don't have to work for). So yeah, Christina could gain some power this week. Not that that spec does much in the way of figuring out the vote but I'm trying not to be deadweight around here FloPo: I had seen the stuff about Kim doing a future challenge. Trust me, last week I was smiling when I realized that it hadn't shown up yet since I'm a Kim fan! I'm hoping we get a glimpse of this week's other challenge and that it's not slip 'n slide 'n toss. Pepe: When I was trying to come up with a screen name here I had my cat "helping" me. Yep, you got it, his name is Oliver and one of his many nicknames is Ollie He was being somewhat good that day otherwise my screen name would have been Dam*ItOliver!
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67. "RE: Kim?" |
"One worry I have about her is that she may not be harnessing the power of the idol as much as she could since (as far as we know) only Chelsea knows about it." People have many different ideas on how to play the idol and circumstances vary but keeping the idol a secret isn't a bad idea. Yul had an all powerful idol (he could wait until the votes were read to use it) and he was wise to use it to flip Jonathan but it could have backfired if Jonathan had gotten everyone to vote against Sundra or Becky. James, Ozzy and many others were voted out because others knew they had an idol. Marty was so cornered when Sash and Brenda found out he had the idol that he had to give it to Sash. Rob kept it secret and it worked very well for him while Coach showed it and it worked out fine. It helped that both had a bunch of loyal zombies though. I'd say the best course of action would be to keep it secret. If you are in the dominating alliance, you don't need it. If you are on the block, it's better to surprise everyone with it, preventing a split vote. If the situation is volatile then you could reveal it to flip someone.
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70. "RE: Kim?" |
Yeah, it's tricky. Part of the problem with keeping it a secret is that you might never find out that you're on the block if you 'thought' you had some friends on the tribe, but find out that you don't...
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68. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps" |
Ii won't repeat what PePe, FloPo and BF have already posted, but I will add that prior to the challenge footage showing up in the PIP promo, you did have a good case for Kim not being considered more as a boot possibility.A couple of points which don't translate well in vidcaps. After going down the giant slide, players land in a sand pit, not a lake, as I originally thought. I pity the last players to go down, as they will land in a soggy mess of sand and water. 
The other point is that in the Full (web) Promo, the final sequence shows Kim speaking with Kat and Sabrina, then the footage freezes on a slightly more close-up of Kim in more saturated colors.   
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76. "RE: PIP Promo Vidcaps" |
Is there some where I can watch this PIP video with sound. I have searched and can only find it at survivor Phoenix web site in the form of vidcaps. I know there has to be video somewhere. I just want to see if the VO: Wednesday, on Survivor, someone is about to get played is fallowed by a pic of Kim. If so I have to consider Kim a potential boot until I see the IC is the slip and slide.
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69. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
Perhaps Christina is even proactive, after the girls try to have her vote with them against a guy, and goes to the guys with the name of the girls' vote. Unfortunately, based on all of your spec, I'm thinking Troy is going, and I don't want to see that. I would love for the guys to turn it around. And like OFG, in last week's episode thread, I'm not liking Kim after last week's episode. I told someone at work, I'd have to watch it again to really get a handle on what it was, but i felt like she was an overlord, lying on the canoe, dictating.
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71. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
rachel,
maybe Kim is acquiring Brenda syndrome -- I am the smartest in the land and I hold the power ...
As we saw in Nicaragua, all it took was for Holly to open their eyes to the fact they didn't have to let Brenda (and Sash) run the game any more. That could happen to Kim, although I don't think it happens now.I don't think they will do two water slide challenges in one episode, as they usually aim for some variety, which would mean Kim survives. Re Ollie's question:
While I have always said that promos are for the general viewers and the primary purpose is to increase ratings, they do from time to time slip in some Easter eggs for the fans who capture the images. However, for the press announcement teasers, I think those descriptions apply within the game. That is -- "shocking blindside" means that at least one players and probably others will find the vote quite unexpected. I think fans on the boards overthink the "shocking" and think it means WE will be shocked, and that leads to looking for very unlikely boots. It could be an unlikely boot, but it doesn't have to be, so let's not eliminate Michael simply because we think he is a predictable boot. The obvious boots, if no one makes a jump to a bigger fish, would be Leif or Tarzan, because they are the ones with no allies left. For the nuSalani men, Christina and Alicia will feel like fair game. So if nuSalani is going to try to stick together as they said they would, the jostle for power would be for Jay-Troy-Michael to try to get Kim-Sab-Chelsea-Kat to ditch Alicia or Christina instead of going after Leif. But the women want to keep their numerical superiority, and they want to get rid of a bigger threat than Leif -- I personally do not see why it would be Troyzan. Yes he won a balance the balls immunity, but Jay and Michael are the two big threats. Troy's idol is a secret. I really don't see any signs that the men are pulling it together to get out a powerful woman. We have one confessional from Jay saying he would like a woman to go, but the easiest thing for the men to do, being down in numbers, is to push for one of the women on the fringe, the nuManono women. I think it will be Jay or Michael. The question is whether one of the wins IC and whether Kim abandons her co-ed alliance because she can't protect Jay without arousing suspicion. Kim will be at risk if Sab, Kat, Alicia, Christina figure out that she made a F4 pact with Jay and Troyzan. That could easily be Kim's demise. She's not Rob Mariano.
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73. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
Question. After Jonas' attempt to draw attention to Michael at TC as a threat, would it be really 'shocking' to Michael if he gets booted, now that he's been publicly outed as a threat?
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74. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
would it be really 'shocking' to Michael if he gets booted, now that he's been publicly outed as a threat?I could see that Michael could go. But, he's in nuSalani and while it looks like nuSalani is the dominant tribe that could pick off nuManono. What would be "shocking" is if nuSalani picks off one of their own before picking off all of nuManono. Michael, as the big powerhouse who is not in the core 4 or female, fits the bill perfectly. But, as Pepe points out, he was outed last week by Jonas at TC to be the most physically capable person out there....and, it was noted by his performance at the RC. He received 2 votes by others for being the most likely to go on an IC run. Therefore, I don't think him being a target is shocking, nor would I consider it a blindside for him....he's got to have his radar up after TC. We KNOW that the girls are planning on targeting him, as we hear Kat note that he's got to go ASAP in their discussion when half the tribe is away on their reward, as VG noted. Kat brings up Michael. Then, most likely, when Kim and Sabrina return from their reward, Kat fills them in on them wanting to vote out Michael. Then Kim tells them that if we do this it will never be the same.... So, clearly it looks like Michael will be the target of the girls. But, will something happen that forces them to choose another? Will Michael win the IC? If he does, who will they then choose? Long story short....Michael for me would not be a blindside, nor do I think he would be surprised if they go after him as well...
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85. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
I agree that Michael should not be a blindside, and if it is Michael, the promo will have been shoddy.My theory I put on MESS is that a promo writer, who does see an advance copy of the episode, could easily come up with the blindside and eradication of security due to Jeff's words at tribal. As in, if Jeff notes after the vote that the Tikiana tribe has just pulled off its first blindside, and that tells him that no one should feel secure ... We have heard Jeff say this type of thing on multiple occasions. We might also keep in mind that Jeff doesn't watch camp footage, so he does not know that Jay and Troyzan made a pact with Kim and Chelsea. He won't know differently until and unless someone outs this alliance at TC. For all Jeff knows, the three nuSalani man are somewhat equal in status. He doesn't know if they are with Leif and Tarzan or not either. He IS going to see that the men are in danger of being annihilated if things continue as they have. Jeff doesn't like to see pagongings, so I expect he will be nudging the men to wake up and trying to shake up the nuManono players as well. I would love to see Michael pull of a big move here. I too think it is possible that Michael will win immunity and the women will have to scramble, and that some of the women will want to take out Jay, and that Jay gets played. The one thing I see that could mess that up, assuming that Kim agrees to it, is that Chelsea and Jay are close, and from the same geographic region. We know Chelsea was recruited by Jaime of Survivor China, who is from SC, and she might have found Jay too, although I don't know that. The question I have is, can Chelsea be trusted to let Jay get blindsided?
Or could Chelsea get played by Kim and be left out of the loop?
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79. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
Actually I would not be surprised to see Christina go to them and flipping. She would have a better chance going with the guys than the girls. If she flipped to the guys and they targeted say Kim. She would be in control.
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81. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
I'd buy that only if Jonas was still there. Christina has no connection to Mike, Jay and Troy while Tarzan wanted to vote her out and Leif is a nobody. Christina would be so happy just to have 3 more days, to see the women include her, that she'd tag along.
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82. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
I agree she dose not have a connection to them. I am not sure she even has her head in the game enough to see she would have a better chance with the guys. But I believe if Troy was suspicious at all and she came to him with the info that he was being targeted he could get the guys to vote for one of the girls and then play the idol. I know the guys are fractured but I do not think it would be hard to reunite them if it was done by someone like Troy.
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84. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
michel,
just because I make a snarky remark about a past situation doesn't mean I think that it's a perfect analogy. Also I take shortcuts with the story because I don't want to go into some big summary of exactly what happened and how it compares. You love to debate the analogies with past seasons, and I really don't want to nor have time to do that. I will certainly concede you have better recall. I just wish I could make a post mentioning a past season without getting a detailed counter argument from you. The past doesn't matter to me this week. All that I meant is that Kim is showing signs of "running the show" and that whenever a person is "running the show" it can be flipped by the majority waking up to it and doing something about it. However, in some seasons people let it happen and don't fight it as long as they see a way to be part of it. I don't know how this season will go. However, Mike is a player who hoped to make big moves, and he is in danger, so he might try something.
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86. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
You know, that could be a hint that it's Michael that goes -- "the player gets played", hmmm?
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87. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
Well, per casual viewers, Big Mike has an on-again off-again edit. He made a bold move at the start of the game stealing equipment from the women, then basically went into the background until episode 4 when he was edited as instrumental in the events leading to the men going to TC rather than the women. In episode 5 he was shown as a major challenge contributor, in fact he has been consistantly edited well as a challenge factor. Last episode he was instrumental in the rift between Jonas and Tarzan, and Jonas tried to throw him under the bus at TC. But the backlash was that only Leif voted with Jonas, so he doesn't appear to be under any threat.
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89. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
But I couldn't know it was a shortcut or that you knew it wasn't a perfect analogy. I wasn't debating, just showing why I thought Nicaragua didn't apply to this season.
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92. "Kim confessional" |
I went back through this thread to review what all we had in regards to written/spoken words (visual cues often escape me so I didn't review the caps) and something caught my eye that I don't think we've discussed.In the preview Kim has the following confessional: Kim: (confessional) "I'm not exactly sure how this is about to go down." One thing that says to me is that Kim isn't in complete and total control because she' expressing doubt about how the vote is going down. If she had a Rob-type control she'd know exactly what's happening. The other possible explanation for the confessional is that she's not sure how she's going to make what she wants to have happen, happen. What I mean is that, say she wants Troy out, she may be expressing doubt about how she can get the votes to make that happen.
In any case I think it for sure says that she has doubt that her chosen target will for sure go home. Could that be the mis-direction doubt the viewers get so that when Kim's target does go home we're "shocked"? If so, who do we think Kim wants to target?
Thanks to the work of everyone here I'm leaning heavily towards Jay or Troy. Kim's doubt about it happening may be her wondering if she can really get her buddy Chelsea to vote her buddy Jay out. Something to think about?
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93. "RE: Kim confessional" |
OllieKat your post made me think of another possibility. If the girls are targeting Troy or Jay, Chelsea may not agree with the boot choices as she often dose. She may even voice her opinion in a more assertive manner. This could cause Kim to be not sure how it was going to go down. If Chelsea disagrees enough she could turn on the girls and let Troy and Jay in on the plan to target them. I have not seen any sign Chelsea is an aggressive enough player to do this but she has been shown as voicing her disapproval in the boot choice. She could get tired of being ignored.
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95. "RE: Kim confessional" |
The thing with Chelsea though is that she has been the most vocal about women power. Episode 1: “We are not letting those muscles discourage us at all. The girls, if we just keep our head in the game and try to stay together and just take the boys down, then we will just be one huge ball of badasses.”
After finding out they'd live on one beach: “We were kinda pissed.”
After the IC: "Those guys don’t give a crap about any of us girls and they showed it today. They don’t care. This is a no mercy game.” After episode 3 IC: "What is funny is that the boys thought they had it in the bag because they were so far ahead so now they are probably running around like chicken with their heads cut off, not knowing what to do.” At the start of episode 4: : “Isn’t that funny?! I think it’s hilarious that, at the beginning, we were struggling but now the boys come by wanting to borrow everything that we’ve won at challenges. It’s just crazy how the roles have reversed in just nine days.” After the Merge: : “It makes me nervous that an idol is still out there. My biggest concern is for someone on the Manono tribe finds the idol going into the next vote and messing up our numbers because we can’t have a Salani go home.”
And: “It’s guys versus girls but, the way I see it, we keep it Salani versus Manono. We should take out Manono’s strongest people first. I think Jonas is their strongest player right now which I hate because he’s a great cook, great positive attitude, fun to be around but I’m thinking Jonas will be the next to go.” It was Kim that was shown making the alliance and, while we saw Chelsea hunting crabs with Mike and discussing the boot with Jay, the words we heard from Chelsea were all about Men vs Women. It would be a break of character for her to go with the guys and editing usually doesn't have those breaks come out of nowhere. All that to say: I don't think she'd break up the women's alliance for Jay.
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96. "RE: Kim confessional" |
Micheal That's pretty cool you know all her quotes. You have a better memory than me for sure. When I read that quote post merge is sounds to me that she was all about NuSalani versus Numanono. She even states their strongest player was Jonas. If she was implying that Jonas was somehow a stronger player than Jay, Troy and Micheal I would be surprised. I do see what you are saying about the girl power statements she had. I had not thought about that. I just guess it depends on how attached she has become to her new core 4 alliance. I do remember her saying early in the game that if they had the chance to form an alliance over again it would be different. I do not think she likes Kat or Alicia.
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98. "RE: Kim confessional" |
michel...I echo the sentiment, I love when you bring the editing in to help in difficult episodes. Please don't be a stranger!
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99. "RE: S24 E8 Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-12 AT 00:20 AM (EST)VO: A major player is about to get played. Taking this from who is what angle: Manono1: Greg (Tarzan), Jay, Leif, Michael, Troy (Troyzan) - 5
Salani1: Alicia, Chelsea, Christina, Kat, Kim, Sabrina - 6
InstantAlliance: Alicia, Chelsea, Kat, Kim, Sabrina - 5
Muscle: Jay, Michael - 2
Misfits - Greg (Tarzan), Leif, Troy (Troyzan) - 3
Airheads - Alicia, Kat - 2
Manono2 - Alicia, Christina, Greg (Tarzan), Leif - 4
Salani2 - Chelsea, Jay, Kat, Kim, Michael, Sabrina, Troy (Troyzan) - 7
CrossAlliance - Chelsea, Jay, Kim, Troy (Troyzan) - 4
HII Buddies - Chelsea, Kim - 2
HII Buddies - Troy (Troyzan) - 1
Subsets:
Jay, Michael, Troy (Troyzan)
Kat, Kim, Sabrina
Alicia, Greg (Tarzan) Right now I'm thinking the hype machine is just taking the position that all of the Salani2 members are major players, plus probably InstantAlliance member Alicia.
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104. "E8 Press Pics" |
Ok finally got something on the IC...
It's called 'Odd Shaped Bottoms'
Camp scene... 
RC-'7-UP' 
Comment:
So it looks like Michael and Leif are the adds for the Yellow team....leaving Greg as the non-participant...who still goes on Reward?(does he pre-pick a winning tribe?)
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105. "RE: E8 Press Pics" |
Thanks BF for posting those. We can now rule out Kim as a boot candidate as that is not the slip n slid challenge. This challenge dose not look like it would be easy for a bigger person. It looks like they have to untangle or unwrap the rope from all those rungs as they cross that bridge. I am not sure if that it the whole challenge we are seeing.
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106. "RE: E8 Press Pics" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-12 AT 08:51 PM (EST)Adding to note that there are a few additional Press Pics which I'm unable to get large pics of at the moment(perhaps someone else can and post them).... 
Edit to add an additional pic
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108. "RE: E8 Press Pics" |
I am wandering if any one can tell the time date stamps on these pics and tell if any are post IC.
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109. "RE: E8 Press Pics" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-03-12 AT 10:32 PM (EST)RC pics are 8.21.11 afternoon
IC pics are 8.22.11 1:47 - 2:13 All other pics are post IC. I'll try to go back and edit in the camp pic timestamps and maybe order them. Edit to timestamp and order the camp pics. 8.22.11 3:46
 8.22.11 3:53
8.22.11 4:10
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110. "RE: E8 Press Pics" |
Awesome BF much appreciated. I see everyone back at camp after the IC except Tarzan. He could be standing next to Troyzan and we can not see him.
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111. "RE: E8 Press Pics" |
The thing that strikes me about the post IC pics is that Kim is the only one shown looking happy. Perhaps that points to her winning immunity?
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-04-12, 09:43 AM (EST)
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113. "RE: E8 Press Pics" |
This picture is time stamped after the IC...
Note Troy's arm band and his buff around his head, it's the same as he is in this confessional... 
So, I think that the confessional is AFTER the IC, and possibly Troy could have this as he's telling us his thought on the win post IC....he could have won it. Then he possibly adds, "I want to stick with this group to the end"....so, he will vote as the core four decide...and Jay tells us it's the safe vote to vote out a girl. They most likely agree to vote out either Alicia/Christina. Yet, the girls, we know are voting out Michael or Jay. If Troy wins the IC, as speculated here, then Michael is vulnerable, and will be toast. Surprise boot for the nuManono tribe that thought they could be picked off. But, with this revelation, now the men will realize that they are in jeopardy of being picked off as Jay forewarns.... I'm leaning toward a Michael boot now.
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