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"S24 EP4 Vidcaps"
Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-01-12, 07:53 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-01-12 AT 08:46 AM (EST)I first noted my thoughts about the touted tease by Jiffy here, but I think we should speculate on that in the Title and misdirection clues thread. As for the vidcaps....alot is going on.... Hear Greg say, they have a betrayal..., as he walks into the girls camp the camera focuses on Chelsea.
Kat: The manono tribe absolutely lost their marbles...I feel like this is just a reaction from Kat, who appears to not be the brightest bulb on the tree. Greg seen talking to Troyzan,
but then you see it's really someone else that he is talking to....You will be first to go...
Greg in confessional...: It's such an egregious breach of faith Jay: That's a hasty decision, then a shot of Colton and Jonas, as Jay speaks to them.
Jonas in confessional: I'm thinking, what? Then, see Colton and Bill fighting, Bill says NO, NO! and Colton says "I want you gone" regarding Bill...
Colton talking to someone...I told you to pick a side, and you picked the wrong side...
(Who is Colton talking to in that frame? Is that a tatoo on his right arm? Could he be talking to Leif?) Then see a shot of Michael.
Colton: I want his head on a platter
Alot of manipulation and editing going on here to make us think that the men are all over the place, and that in the end, Colton will target Bill or Michael, and it's manipulated to throw Troyzan in as a boot choice as well per Tarzan. I think it will be ALL misdirection this week, but it is pertinent as to the future. Just as last week the preview promo was all about the miserable, freezing girls and Kin's confessional..."They are beginning to believe that we cannot win", which was misdirection as we saw them win both challenges. One thing that raised a red flag for me, was the shot of Chelsea. Chelsea is presumed to be in the water basketball challenge, she is seen from afar, and it is not definitive that she is there. While I really believe it's Monica that goes, Chelsea is raising a red flag, and then when we heard Jiffy's tout, it gives me a pause.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-01-12, 02:45 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-01-12 AT 02:48 PM (EST)SWEEET catch there, VG! ETA: Jason: Greg cannot be the next to go, because we see all of the men, less Matt, in the water basketball challenge! We see 2 guys standing in front of the Salani banners, 4 guys standing in front of the Manono banners, and 2 guys actively participating in the challenge....Leif vs. Michael....total guys seen = 8 Greg/Tarzan cannot be the next one to go. The next one to go MUST be a female...
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jasonkola 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-01-12, 10:01 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
I would like to point out in this pic someone is on the right as well as you can see in the bottom right corner of the pic so Colton could be talking to someone else or both.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-02-12, 01:11 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
Hi Polonium, nice to see you here, wish you would come and add your 2 cents more often. I agree with you, I do think that is Colton's knee as well. Regarding this shoulder to Troyzan's left... ...It could possibly be Jay, but I think that it could be Jonas as well...I think this is a frame taken from Troyzan's and the mystery shoulder guys vantage point toward Gregzan. Notice the guy has a short hairline in the back, Jay's hair is much longer.....Also, on a side note, it appears to me that both Gregzan and Troyzan have faded black face paint on their faces...this is post challenge? RC or IC? But this is heavily manipulated to me. Here is where we see Gregzan talking, "You will be the first to go"... Is he talking to someone with something over their head here? Is that a buff? We are meant to believe that he's talking to Troyzan and mystery shoulder guy. Jay was wearing his buff like this... Wondering if Jay and Jonas are both with Troyzan when Gregzan notes, "you will be the first to go"...?
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03-02-12, 03:05 PM (EST)
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17. "Duh....disregard last post" |
Jonas has it under his arm
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-02-12, 04:00 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
Thanks so much, Jason and Volcanic Glass! I think we can figure out alot from the new promo. First of all we see that there are 2 challenges. For reward we have the Coco Connection as we have seen bits of in many pre-show video captures. We know it's for reward because of this...here is the covered reward behind the girls sling shot area... And, here is the reaction that our Survivors have to getting a peek at the reward...
With reactions like those, it MUST contain some food...! Now, note the faces of particularly the men at the RC, there is no face paint. So, the shots of them with face paint are for the IC... Coming to the IC...
Here are the guys mid-IC, note face paint...
Note, Michael and Jay are bound together at the wrist...now here are some of the girls, Sabrina and Kim, bound together as well...
Now, here is when Gregzan yells, CHEATER, CHEATER...it's while he is on the side lines of the IC, note again the face paint... Note it looks as though Colton and Gregzan are tied together at the wrist as well....and Troyzan/Jonas must be out on the field at this time. Now, here is still Kim and Sabrina working together... Then, after the IC, we have Jonas saying..."This is a huge move", while they are out fishing, we see Jonas, Troyzan and Colton...this is post IC, note the face paint on Troyzan... Now, here are all the guys in their little circle, post IC, on the beach, when Gregzan accuses Leif, I think, "you have betrayed us". This is what we see when he says it...
Notice I placed an arrow to the orange cloth that is over Jonas' head here...
Now here, which I believe may be before Bill calls Colton out...note that Leif is indeed there... Again, from the other promo, here is Leif in front of Colton at the same time...note it's after the IC, we see his war paint on his arm and his Tat... So, the betrayal at the guys side is overshadowing all of the events this episode. I am solid that the girls will be going to TC. Interesting...
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jasonkola 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-02-12, 05:01 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
I would also like to suggest that the cheating might be the girls looking over at the guys as they build their puzzle. This would indicate the guys are ahead again. Secondly I would like to speculate that perhaps the guys win the reward (lots of food) and Leaf gets caught sneaking left overs to the girls. He has been shown as sympathetic to the girls in the confessional.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-02-12, 06:00 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-02-12 AT 06:30 PM (EST)Good thinking, Byoffer! I believe you could be right! That looks like it could be a cloth napkin....that perhaps came with the reward that the guys win, perhaps? Or, maybe it's a cloth sack of some kind that something came in, like utensils or something. Regardless, I do think that it is a BIG clue that the guys may win the reward! Also, I like the spec that Leif was sympathetic to the girls and snuck them some of the reward treats...I could see this leading to drama. I like it! At least that is the best we've got so far! ETA: I agree, Jason, I think Gregzan yelling, "cheating, cheating", most likely is in response to the girls looking at what the guys are doing!
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jasonkola 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-02-12, 07:37 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
Look up above his chair. Hanging up above looks like a inside out cover like the blue one. It has the right pattern on it.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-03-12, 06:03 AM (EST)
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30. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
Great work putting all this together, FP! The SOTS is nearly written. Re the girls peeking at a puzzle, there is an Insider from last ep saying that Sabrina and the girls were all over copying what Bill had already done, and that's why they got it so fast. Peeking at what others are doing has been done many times in challenges, so that's not enough to be a first. I'm thinking something that goes outside the box, but I have no idea what. I like the idea of Leif sneaking food to the girls. There was another Insider where Colton talked about how he's not eating. I guess he's a picky eater and won't touch the rice. He really wants some fruit. He said if there is a food reward he'll do anything to win. So I think he would not want to share if they do win. Then there's the Leif is a gentleman clip (transcript posted on Press topic), where Leif talks about how he believes in chivalry.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-03-12, 07:45 AM (EST)
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31. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
I suggested at MESS that maybe there are two reward tables, because this table is near the women and the central table is covered with a turtle logo batik cloth, which is the Salani emblem. The women are shooting at turtles.The men are shooting at stingrays, the animal on their flag and buff. Plus we see an orange cloth that is not on this table. So maybe a second RC table with Manono colors and logos. Maybe it's one of those pick items from a catalog (product placement) challenges, and the thing Jeff announces that makes them gasp is that they win all and will find out what it is when they're done. Not sure, they have seen this enough times to know that winner takes all. Maybe they get to go somewhere. But what about the idea of a second reward table with Manono colors?
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-03-12, 09:06 AM (EST)
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32. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
I dunno, OFG....possibly there could be 2 tables. One thing for sure though, I really think that Jiffy gives them a glimpse of what is beneath those covers, judging by their reactions.I am not convinced that the cloth lying behind Colton's chair is indeed one of those covers....could it be some of the ropes? I may be a cover, just can't tell. Also, I do think that orange cloth with most likely a rope draw string could be from the reward though...I am leaning toward men winning RC.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-05-12, 09:53 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Full Promo Vidcaps" |
Ropes.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-05-12, 10:05 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: E4 Press Pics" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-05-12 AT 10:07 PM (EST) Jonas is the sit out...
Pairs: Michael/Jay, Colton/Gregzan, Troyzan/Bill, Leif Chelsea/Alicia, Sabrina/Kim, Christina/Kat, ?Monica? Maybe Monica is the caller and she chokes? Just spec...
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jasonkola 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-06-12, 12:23 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Another thought...." |
I am curious why they need a caller if they are not blindfolded? I wander if the single person has some other task to do?
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-10-12, 00:41 AM (EST)
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61. "RE: PIP Promo" |
I was skimming through looking for a whole other cap, when I noticed this. VG, you were right on with your feeling this was some interesting stuff. They gave us the pivotal scene with Leif and Bill, but we had no idea what to make of it and seemed not to say much, no drama ... but it was key!Turns out Kim's smashing the coconut was irrelevant to this episode, maybe relevant to the future ... but we gave attention to the splashier sequence and missed the importance of why they would show us Leif and Bill sitting talking. Something to keep in mind, why they show us these scenes that seem nothing special.
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jasonkola 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-06-12, 01:48 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
Welcome to the board Noaheli. The men already had fishing gear they got off the truck in episode 1.
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03-06-12, 02:09 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
Wow I completely forgot about the first day theft. Odd, I can't recall seeing the men out spear fishing at all this season.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-06-12, 01:48 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
Welcome aboard. I think the spear was from the supplies they got off the truck, don't know about the net. Nice idea: a couple of them trade work, fishing and sharing the catch, in return for use of the additional fishing supplies the women won, but without consensus from the group. Guys out spear fishing get upset at guys out net fishing?
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-08-12, 12:32 PM (EST)
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60. "Hey!" |
Good call on Jonas and the fishing net!
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jasonkola 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-06-12, 04:48 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: OFG Theory" |
Sense I am a newbe here can someone explain to me what "OFG Theory" means? I am familiar with who OFG is, but I assume she must have a theory that is applicable is certain situations.
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jasonkola 240 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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03-06-12, 05:44 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: OFG Theory" |
Interesting concept. But if you look at all these promo's every one is shown. Some more than others. Monica is shown vary little so according to this theory she would be considered the safest. I will have to look at just the promo at the end of the episode 3 to see if Monica is shown or not.
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VolcanicGlass 428 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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03-06-12, 07:49 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: OFG Theory" |
OFG will be around soon to comment as well, but as dabo stated, the theory has evolved over time. From the pre-season vidcap evidence, the two players who have not been positively identified in the waterball challenge are Chelsea and Monica. If we apply the OFG theory to this episode's promos to those two specific players, we have Chelsea constantly inserted in the promos, albeit in silent mode, whereas Monica is absent, save for the sequence FP posted above. While we do see Chelsea, she is not presented as the center of the action, in a way that would make her boot seem appropriate or deserved. IOW, she doesn't fit the mold for the obvious boot. Either way, we are left with a "surprise" boot of sorts. The original OFG theory would make Chelsea the most vulnerable, whereas the updated theory would point to Monica. Of course, we should also keep in mind that the folks who do promos have changed over time. Some tested theories are less reliable than they have been in the past, but that's not to say they should be ignored.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-06-12, 10:49 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: OFG Theory" |
dabo gets the prize for remembering the inverse part. The original observation wasn't limited to the promo at the end of the episode though, but back in S3 there weren't a lot of promos during the week, usually two IIRC ... either one counted as far as I was concerned.That was a long time ago, and was only meant to apply to the early part of a season. Anyhow, since then, people have kept the name Krautboy gave it and used the evolved (by group) form as a way to spot the bootee more or less prominently displayed without specifically being shown in trouble. My original observation didn't count group shots unless the person was really in focus. It related to head shots or single full body shots, but it doesn't matter because promo technique evolves as the show goes along. The helpful thing is to note how they are doing it THIS season and maybe last season.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-07-12, 04:07 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: S24 EP4 Vidcaps" |
No caller. Three puzzles, progressively harder, each puzzle tackled by a pair, collect a key. Then three keys at the end, unlock whatsit and raise flag.
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03-07-12, 04:56 PM (EST)
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59. "IC4 Chal Preview - BTS Dreamers" |
Here's the IC4 chal preview w/DreamTeam and Kirhoff calling the play by play.Video here: http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/2207143210/ Vidcaps courtesty of Survivor Fever (ty Mayan Sun) http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s24_ep4_challenge.html Transcript --------------------------- John Kirhoffer (Survivor Challenges Producer): Today's challenge is called "Puzzle Relay". Both tribes will start at the far end at the start and finish line. On "go", tied together at the wrists, pairs of players from each tribe will go up and over a teeter totter to a puzzle. Once they solve that puzzle, Jeff will let 'em know they can move on. They grab a key and they race back to a table dropping that key off. Then the next two players come out. They go over the teeter totter and to a second teeter totter to another puzzle. This one is a little bit harder. Once they solve the puzzle, they grab their key, they race back to the start. The final pair races all the way to the end here over three teeter totters, completes a puzzle, the hardest puzzle yet. Grabs the key and goes back. They take those three keys and unlock a lock raising a flag. First tribe to raise their flag wins Immunity.
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