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"S23 Survivor the social game aspect..."
Survivor was and still is a social game. Figuring out how you can survive the elements, but more importantly the other players, and then get them to vote for you to win the money.

We saw Savaii take a fall of epic proportions last night and their chances after the merge do not look good, even for Cochran who was the one that flipped on them in the first place.

Some people say that Cochran is a weasel who is out only for himself and that his move is the most selfish move in history, even Dawn said something to that effect.

Some even think that Cochran turned his back on the very people that saved him.

Newsflash- they didn't save him. Each time they voted in previous tribal councils the players had bigger fish to fry or self serving interests and that is what gave Cochran the next 3 days. Even in a team game people make moves that work best in their favor, or at least they try.

With Semhar it was Jim who wanted her gone to keep Ozzy focused and less powerful. Maybe others did too.

With Papa Bear it was all of them thinking that he was too old to be useful to keeping the tribe strong.

With Elyse it was Jim and Dawn once again wanting to keep Ozzy focused and weaken him as a player by taking away a back pocket girl.

Even Ozzy's big move was not one meant to save Cochran, it was meant to save Savaii so that they could go into the merge 6-6 with a chance to gain a numbers advantage on Upolu so that each Savaii individual could have a shot at winning the game.

Savaii knows Cochran is inept and yet they base all their hopes and dreams on him as double agent? They bash him repeatedly and he knows where he stands with them and then they think he won't flip? They don't really want to risk their own spot in the game by letting it all rest on Cochran's shoulders do they?

If you play Survivor, you have a plan A then a plan B, then a plan C etc. And you do the work yourself, you don't rely on one person to do all the work for you, not if you want to stick around. Savaii gave Cochran way too much responsibility, and then seemingly didn't do anything to see how it was working, work their own angles, or anything.

What could Ozzy have done differently?

As the mastermind of his dream scheme he could and should have been pumping Christine for every last drop of information about Upolu that he could since she was on that tribe and she had the chance to talk to each booted player.

Who is low man on the totem pole? Edna you say, great, we will work on her flipping. Who is in the core alliance? Sophie, Albert and Coach? Great, let's work on Rick, Edna, and Brandon. Etc etc.

Ozzy not only could have done a better job of trying to learn more about the other tribe, he could have done a better job of knowing his own tribe.

He knew them on the surface, but do you think he realized how fragile Dawn was or that she was contemplating flipping too since she felt like she was on the outside? He had no clue, because he has no social game.

Did he realize that Cochran really had an issue with pulling a rock out of a bag? He didn't, but he should have. You have got to know what your people are feeling and thinking about, or else you will get surprised when the person acts the way that all clues indicated they would.

Is Cochran a good actor? He was the only one at the RI challenge that appeared to be keeping a distance from the other Savaii. Everyone else was showing with their body language that they were rooting for Ozzy. The whole tribe gave it away, and Upolu was watching. This made Cochran's job all the harder and Coach laid it out to him exactly as it went down, because Coach had been observing.

If Cochran is such a bad actor, then why couldn't Ozzy tell that he wasn't really with Savaii? Because Ozzy was in his own world, didn't care enough to observe the body language, the tells. Even Jim the poker player should have been able to observe Cochran when they discussed the rock pulling and is everybody with me crap, he couldn't tell that Cochran was flipping? Please. Cochran was a good actor in Savaii but a bad actor in Upolu? It depends on who was paying attention, and we know who did.

Boston Rob was a master of the social game. He knew what each person in his alliance needed to hear to be assured that everything was going according to plan. Coach has done a very good job of that himself so far this season. But Ozzy hasn't learned a thing and won't, he is one dimensional in this game.

Cochran even realized how bad he would look if he flipped. He knew that there would be 5 bitter Savaii on the jury if he could make it that far. He knew Upolu would never fully trust him, if he would flip on his own tribe, why wouldn't he flip on them? He knew his chances of winning Survivor would be flushed down the toilet if he flipped. And yet he still did not want to draw a purple rock and be instantly gone from the game. He would rather take the game into his own hands then to lose that way. And nobody on his tribe, even Dawn did not understand this.

Yes, Cochran made a selfish move that cost his tribe and most likely himself the million dollars. But he didn't turn his back on his tribe, this was never his tribe in the first place, he was never "in".

Ozzy will get his turn at RI and he will beat all comers. He will beat Cochran in a duel at some point and send him to the jury and feel some sort of revenge. He will get back in the game most likely, because of his challenge prowess. And this is the game that he would much rather play, so in the end it all worked out. He really doesn't care about his tribe.


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 S23 Survivor the social game aspect...   KObrien_fan     11-03-11       
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Pretty_Kitty     11-03-11     1  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-03-11     2  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Scarlett O Hara     11-04-11     62  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-04-11     63  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   KObrien_fan     11-04-11     64  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-05-11     67  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Corvis     11-03-11     3  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   parathor     11-03-11     4  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   KObrien_fan     11-03-11     5  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   parathor     11-03-11     7  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-03-11     8  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   emydi     11-03-11     9  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   samboohoo     11-04-11     47  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Blind Freddy     11-03-11     6  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-03-11     13  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Flowerpower     11-03-11     10  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-03-11     12  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   KObrien_fan     11-03-11     14  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-03-11     18  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-03-11     21  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-03-11     25  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   kiki_k     11-03-11     26  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-03-11     27  
                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   kiki_k     11-03-11     29  
                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-04-11     43  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-03-11     28  
                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   kiki_k     11-03-11     30  
                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-03-11     31  
                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Modesty     11-04-11     39  
                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Scarlett O Hara     11-04-11     65  
                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-04-11     66  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-03-11     34  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Corvis     11-04-11     40  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-03-11     11  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   KObrien_fan     11-03-11     15  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-03-11     20  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   5cats     11-03-11     16  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Corvis     11-03-11     17  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-03-11     19  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   5cats     11-03-11     22  
                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Corvis     11-03-11     23  
                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   5cats     11-03-11     24  
                         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-03-11     32  
                             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   5cats     11-03-11     35  
                                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-04-11     36  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-03-11     33  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-04-11     37  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-04-11     53  
     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-04-11     38  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   PepeLePew13     11-04-11     41  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-04-11     50  
                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-04-11     52  
                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-04-11     55  
                         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-04-11     57  
         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   dabo     11-04-11     42  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Corvis     11-04-11     44  
             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Blind Freddy     11-04-11     45  
                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Slider     11-04-11     48  
                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   dabo     11-04-11     49  
                         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-04-11     51  
                             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-04-11     54  
                                 RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   SquidProQuo     11-04-11     56  
                                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   dabo     11-04-11     58  
                                     RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Brownroach     11-04-11     59  
                                         RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Slider     11-04-11     60  
                                             RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   Belle Book     11-04-11     61  
   RE: S23 Survivor the social game as...   samboohoo     11-04-11     46  

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