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esquire 1095 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 04-11-11, 01:18 PM (EST) "How will the jury work" In the past the members of the jury use what they see at TC to help determine who gets their vote for the million dollars. However, if you get a long stay at Redemption Island after the merge, you don't get to see what happens at TC. Do the guys at Redemption Island get to go TC?   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-11-11 1    RE: How will the jury work Outfrontgirl 04-11-11 2        RE: How will the jury work michel 04-11-11 3            RE: How will the jury work Corvis 04-11-11 4                RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-11-11 5                    RE: How will the jury work Outfrontgirl 04-12-11 6                        RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-12-11 7                            RE: How will the jury work Outfrontgirl 04-12-11 8                                You're right dabo 04-12-11 9                                RE: How will the jury work michel 04-12-11 10                                    RE: How will the jury work SquidProQuo 04-12-11 11                                        RE: How will the jury work Outfrontgirl 04-13-11 13                                        RE: How will the jury work Brownroach 04-13-11 15                                            RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-13-11 16                                            RE: How will the jury work Brownroach 04-13-11 17                                                RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-13-11 19                                                    RE: How will the jury work Brownroach 04-13-11 20                                                        RE: How will the jury work Corvis 04-13-11 21                                                            RE: How will the jury work michel 04-13-11 22                                                                RE: How will the jury work Corvis 04-13-11 23                                                                    RE: How will the jury work Brownroach 04-14-11 25                                                                        RE: How will the jury work SquidProQuo 04-14-11 27                                                                            RE: How will the jury work Corvis 04-14-11 28                                                                                RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-14-11 29                                                            RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-14-11 24                                                                RE: How will the jury work Brownroach 04-14-11 26                                        RE: How will the jury work parathor 04-13-11 18                                    RE: How will the jury work Outfrontgirl 04-13-11 12                                        RE: How will the jury work dabo 04-13-11 14  RE: How will the jury work Outfrontgirl 04-14-11 30

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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-11-11, 01:51 PM (EST) 1. "RE: How will the jury work" I've been assuming all along that the occupants of Redemption Island would get to sit in on Tribals once it reaches the jury stage. Nominally, they could be left out and get all their info from incomng booties, but it would be more dramatic television to have them attending TC. If it is a choice between compelling TV and good game, obviously they'll just say "to hell with good game." But in this case it doesn't really seem like that is the choice, good game happens to coincide with compelling TV so they'll go for it and claim "see, this is fair, isn't this great!"   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-11-11, 07:24 PM (EST) 2. "RE: How will the jury work" The thing is, no one is officially on the jury until losing duel and burning buff. Anyone on RI could theoretically still be in the F3, so they are not jury members. It would probably be wrong to allow people still in contention for the million to sit with the jury at TC.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-11-11, 07:37 PM (EST) 3. "RE: How will the jury work" I certainly hope that they remain on RI because, as OFG pointed out, you mingle with the jury, you can start hustling votes and you could see how the alliances break down. Anyway, there are enough jury discussions going on at Ponderosa that the jurors will be filed in.   Top

Corvis 3130 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 04-11-11, 09:23 PM (EST) 4. "RE: How will the jury work" I think they'll just sit in a separate place away from the jury and the Survivors still in the game.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-11-11, 11:42 PM (EST) 5. "RE: How will the jury work" LAST EDITED ON 04-11-11 AT 11:43 PM (EST) Yes, attending TC. There are no longer two tribes to gather information about for a return to the game at a merge, now it is the shifting dynamics of a merged tribe. Miserable as I believe this RI twist is, upsetting the status quo on re-entry is where the power exists. >vocoProbstian<Give it a chance. Besides, everyone who loses a duel goes to the jury after a certain point, would you want jurists who have missed TCs (other than Pappy once)?   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-12-11, 07:04 AM (EST) 6. "RE: How will the jury work" I don't see what right they have to be at TC. They were voted out, so no right to be with the tribe. They're not jurors (yet), so no right to be on the jury side. They get information about the game from each person who is voted out. Those two (or three) exchange information that is probably as good or better than a TC. Then when they do join the jury, they talk to the jurors. The whole reason that jurors attend TC is that they know nothing of the game once they lose. That is not true of someone on RI, who does have news of the game, even interaction with spectators. I don't know how they'll do it, but those are my thoughts on what's fair. I'm already sick of this twist.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-12-11, 10:14 AM (EST) 7. "RE: How will the jury work" Well, we'll find out. The game has shifted from tribes (teams) to individual play, the fiction of one big happy tribe. I don't see how skipping Tribals and getting only biased one-sided information from incoming players would be any different for someone at Redemption Island than for someone on the jury.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-12-11, 06:08 PM (EST) 8. "RE: How will the jury work" What I'm saying is that every juror has some sort of continuous opportunity for information. While in the game at RI, there are fellow duel participants and the spectator exchanges. Once booted from RI, there is TC. The main point against an RI inhabitant sitting in on TC is that person still has a shot at the F3, and would have had something no other finalist has, an opportunity to watch TC from a spectator's perspective. That should be reserved for actual jurors. YMMV   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-12-11, 07:43 PM (EST) 9. "You're right" I see what you're saying now, you're absolutely right. Damn you, Redemption Island, you ruined the game of Survivor! Damn you, gosh damn you to heck!   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-12-11, 08:36 PM (EST) 10. "RE: How will the jury work" LAST EDITED ON 04-12-11 AT 08:38 PM (EST) And to that point, I'd add the the person returning will already have spent time with most of the jury on RI. They'd be more relaxed than in the game, there wouldn't be any trust issues between them, only an eventual challenge that can't really make you hate the person that beats you. The returnee will already have much too big an opportunity to get some votes compared to someone who, you know, is playing the game of Survivor. I watch because I like the strategic game of Survivor, not because I like chimney-sweep or shuffle board challenges. To me, the returnee, no matter who it is, will not deserve to win. I saw a season when something just like that happened: Season 1 of the South African version of Survivor had 2 Outcasts return from "Dead Man's Island" at F5 and one of them won the game. Awful ending.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 04-12-11, 11:53 PM (EST) 11. "RE: How will the jury work" Agreed that RI is screwing things up. Unfortunately Jeff and his blog groupies are all loving it, so I think this twist is going to stick for next season. P.S. Somewhat related to this topic -- have any of you seen the Reality Blurred article about how CBS is casting for a Matt look-alike for the finale? http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_redemption_island/2011_Apr_12_matt_stand_in   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 08:48 AM (EST) 13. "RE: How will the jury work" Whoa, Squid, that is really odd and interesting.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 05:02 PM (EST) 15. "RE: How will the jury work" Why don't they see if Fabio/Jud is available? That is VERY intriguing.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 05:14 PM (EST) 16. "RE: How will the jury work" Maybe they'll have him make a series of Sprint adverts as part of their "vote yes to Rejection Island being something to continue doing even though in every other country where they tried it they figured out it was a plague and never did it again" campaign. With a T-shirt reading "No, really, it's just a coincidence."   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 05:17 PM (EST) 17. "RE: How will the jury work" In fact, it's so intriguing that I looked up exactly what a stand-in's job is. From Wikipedia: A stand-in for film and television is a person who substitutes for the actor before filming, for technical purposes such as lighting. Stand-ins are helpful in the initial processes of production. Lighting setup can be a slow and tedious process; during this time the actor will often be somewhere else. Stand-ins allow the director of photography to light the set, the camera department to light and focus scenes. The director will often ask stand-ins to deliver the scene dialogue ("lines") and walk through ("blocking") the scenes to be filmed. In this way, a good stand-in can help speed up the day's production and is a necessary and valuable cast member on a film... Stand-ins do not necessarily look like the actor, but they must have the same skin tone, hair colour, height and build as the actor so that the lighting in a scene will be set up correctly. For example, if the lighting is set up with a stand-in shorter than an actor, the actor might end up having his or her head in relative darkness. So why would they need a stand-in for Matt if he's just going to be one of the crowd of 15 people who aren't in the Final 3? Why do they need to make the lighting appropriate for him?   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 05:25 PM (EST) 19. "RE: How will the jury work" The most logical answer is that's not what why they want a stand-in this time. If that's all they wanted it could have been done less obviously.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 05:44 PM (EST) 20. "RE: How will the jury work" Perhaps, but the ad doesn't specify anything out of the ordinary. I would assume they expect that anyone applying would understand the job to be what a stand-in's job normally is. Anyway, as the article says, it's odd that the gig is for three days so maybe it is the case that he can't be there until the very last minute. Or maybe the whole thing is just a fake "spoiler" planted by CBS.   Top

Corvis 3130 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 04-13-11, 05:59 PM (EST) 21. "RE: How will the jury work" I wonder if former survivors could give us insight into what the stand ins are for and if this is normal. Anyone in contact with a former Survivor and could ask? I am just beginning to wonder if this is the biggest spoiler of the season...   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 06:26 PM (EST) 22. "RE: How will the jury work" One thing that former Survivors rarely discuss is production.   Top

Corvis 3130 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 04-13-11, 06:51 PM (EST) 23. "RE: How will the jury work" Well, it can't hurt to ask...   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-14-11, 12:18 PM (EST) 25. "RE: How will the jury work" KOBrienfan knows several former contestants. But if stand-ins are generally used when the actual person isn't there, it's doubtful they'd be able to say much.   Top

SquidProQuo 2526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 04-14-11, 01:02 PM (EST) 27. "RE: How will the jury work" I just checked over at Sucks to see if anyone had posted about this, and here's what Anti had to say, which is interesting: "I attended the S6 finale. "Before and during the airing of the episode, they rehearsed the vote reveal using stand-ins. People sat on stage wearing pictures of the contestants around their neck. The entire F4 was represented, and they just switched players randomly during each rehearsal (Matt beats Rob, Butch beats Jenna, etc.) so as not to give the F2 away to the audience*. I do not remember if the jury was represented. Additionally, I don't believe the stand-ins matched the contestants in physical appearance. "If this casting call is simply a rehearsal role like the ones I saw, then it may mean that Matt either makes the F5 (they'd mix and match the surviving players in the finale) or possibly just the jury (if the jury is indeed represented by stand-ins). "I don't know what else this could be for. If Matt were unable to attend the finale, they'd just have an empty chair and explain why he wasn't there." "*which was a good thing as the balcony was full of spoiler people...when they flashed the previously-unknown S7 location preview on the monitors, the sleuth next to me texted the Acme Brain Trust to get the word out. Good times." ------ Very interesting. Could mean that Matt makes the jury...I guess we'll see next week if it's a hoax or has any credibility.   Top

Corvis 3130 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 04-14-11, 01:07 PM (EST) 28. "RE: How will the jury work" Thanks, SquidProQuo. This is definitely leaning me toward believing Matt defeats David and Mike in the next duel. (I remember when that text came in. Good times, indeed.)   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-14-11, 01:25 PM (EST) 29. "RE: How will the jury work" LAST EDITED ON 04-14-11 AT 01:26 PM (EST) Matt is already a "winner" of Redemption Island. If he ends up winning the duels a second time to get in the game why would they need a Redemption Island set for the live show? ETA: oops, meant to reply to BR.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-14-11, 01:57 AM (EST) 24. "RE: How will the jury work" LAST EDITED ON 04-14-11 AT 01:58 AM (EST) I am just beginning to wonder if this is the biggest spoiler of the season... I am going to assume it has no spoiler value whatsoever, it isn't even an intentional diversionary tactic. I think they want a Matt type for some reason, maybe the one they had is sick or got arrested or something. Some casting department monkey made it public by taking it too seriously and going all TMI with it, perhaps out of clampdown paranoia. Really, how hard could it be to find a Matt type in California, just go to the beach and take your pick.   Top

Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-14-11, 12:30 PM (EST) 26. "RE: How will the jury work" Since Matt spent the whole game on RI, maybe the plan for the finale is to make him sit all by himself the entire time in a special area of the set designed to look like Redemption Island. They need a stand-in to get the RI lighting just right.   Top

parathor 250 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 04-13-11, 05:17 PM (EST) 18. "RE: How will the jury work" ....so, I guess put me down for "Matt beats everyone next week." (or "Matt just quits, disappears, and hasn't been heard from since Week 8")   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 08:47 AM (EST) 12. "RE: How will the jury work" Thanks dabo ... let's hope SEG saw it ... michel, that's a terrific point about how the RI guy can totally connect with each juror. Yikes! I heard the Israeli version of RI had one guy (first boot, I guess) win all the duels from the beginning and then he won the game.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-13-11, 10:41 AM (EST) 14. "RE: How will the jury work" LAST EDITED ON 04-13-11 AT 12:46 PM (EST) Confusion on Noam's placement is understandable as he won the title of "Island of the Dead Winner." That was for winning the final duel and returning to the actual game for the finale. In the actual game itself he finished in 2nd place.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 04-14-11, 11:09 PM (EST) 30. "RE: How will the jury work" I forgot there was a way to settle this question using the call sheets. The sheets lay out all the cast who need to be transported and the crew members driving them to and from. There are crew members assigned to bring the jury and the players still in camp to the TC and back, but there is no crew going to RI to bring anyone to TC. RI players stay on RI.   Top

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