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"Double Boots and Triple Duels?"
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"Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-24-11 AT 07:59 PM (EST)We have 18 contestants, a pre-merge double TC, one or two returnees from Redemption Island, and perhaps a double TC post-merge episode in order to get to the final five by day 36. We have the call sheet to show us where we need to be for the Finale, but we only have speculation about the interplay between double TC and redemption Island duels. Questions that need to be answered: When will the Pre-Merge Double Boot take place?
Will this result in a Triple Duel?
How will the Triple Boot work? Will both second and third be out of the game, and the winner stay? Will the winner of the Triple boot become the Returnee, with third place leaving the game and second place staying on the Island? Will the returnee be part of the double boot episode as TDT speculated? If there is a pre-merge returnee, will they return at the merge? When will the merge take place? At EP7 as TDT speculates or later? How will the extra player be eliminated post merge? Another double TC or an extra TC as TDT speculates? Will this result in another Triple Duel to determine the final returnee at F5? or will there be a two-duel episode as TDT speculates on his Calander?
Using the TDT Calendar as the starting point here...
http://www.truedorktimes.com/s22/calendar.htm
...and speculating about the Triple Duels and when they might occur, we have this calendar as an alternative to the TDT calendar. S22 CALENDAR EP1 ARRIVAL: Zapatera and Ometepe
Day 1 18 Contestants
Day 2
Day 3 Challenge: RC / IC2 Tribes TC Votee #1 = RI #1
17 Contestants left on the tribes EP2
Day 4
Day 5 Challenge: RC / IC 2 Tribes TC Votee #2 = RI #2
16 Contestants left on the tribes
EP3
Day 6 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = RI Bootee #1 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 7
Day 8 Challenge: RC / IC 2 Tribes TC Votee #3 = RI #2
15 Contestants left on the tribes EP4
Day 9 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = RI Bootee #2 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 10 Challenge: RC / IC 2 Tribes TC Votee #4 = RI #2
14 Contestants left on the tribes
EP5
Day 11 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = RI Bootee #3 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 12 Challenge: RC 2 Tribes TC Votee #5 = RI #2
13 Contestants left on the tribes
EP6 DOUBLE TRIBAL COUNCIL
Day 13 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = RI Bootee #4 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 14
Day 15 Challenge: RC 2 Tribes, TC Votee #6 = RI #2, TC Votee #7 = RI #3
11 Contestants left on the tribes
EP7 MERGE: Merlonia
Day 16 Triple Duel: "Winner" , vs. "2 Losers" "2 Losers" = RI Bootee #5 & #6 "Winner"= Returnee #1
Day 17 Merge Celebration 12 Contestants left on merged tribe, Winner returns to join merged tribe.
Day 18 Challenge: F12 IC 12 Contestants left on merged tribe, TC Votee #8 = RI #2
11 Contestants left on the tribe
EP8
Day 19 "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = RI Bootee #7 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 20
Day 21 Challenge: F11 IC 11 Contestants TC Votee #9 = RI #2
10 Contestants left on the tribe
EP9
Day 22 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = RI Bootee #8 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 23
Day 24 Challenge: F10 IC 10 Contestants TC Votee #10 = RI #2
9 Contestants left on the tribe
EP10
Day 25 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = Juror #1 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 26
Day 27 Challenge: F9 IC 9 Contestants TC Votee #11 = RI #2
? Contestants left on the tribe
EP11
Day 28 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = Juror #2 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 29 Challenge: F? IC ? Contestants TC Votee #12 = RI #2
6 Contestants left on the tribe `
EP12
Day 30 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = Juror #3 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 31
Day 32 Challenge: F6 IC 6 Contestants TC Votee # 13 = RI #2
5 Contestants left on the tribe EP13
Day 33 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = Juror #4 "Winner"= RI #1
Day 34
Day 35 Challenge: F5 IC 5 Contestants TC Votee= RI #2
4 Contestants left on the tribe
EP14 SEASON FINALE
Day 36 Duel: "Winner" vs. "Loser" "Loser" = Juror #5 "Winner"= Returnee #2 and rejoins the game
Day 37 Challenge: F5 IC 5 Contestants TC Votee= Juror #6
Day 38 Challenge: F4 IC 4 Contestants TC Votee= Juror #7
Day 39 Final TC: F3 TC 3 Contestants We probably have a few more episodes before the Double TC. I'm curious to hear your ideas!
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2. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
My guess is the double boot will be right before the merge. There will be three people on redemption island. It would make since for there to be a 3-way duel. 1st place re-enters the game, 2nd place stays on redemption island to face the next player voted out, and 3rd place is eliminated. Makes senses so that we would still have a duel every episode.
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4. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-27-11 AT 00:56 AM (EST)First, great job with a new calender!!! Well, though there are 18 contestants, considering(or more of speculating) there will be two returnees I think it's safe to consider it as 20 contestants season(just as PEARL ISLANDS was 16 contestants but more so of 18 contestant season). I actually like your idea over TDT's calender, as it will be more fun to watch. BUT the show was not always in our favor. I'm just hoping that since EPMB has done fairly goodjob of "blindsiding" us (or we got blind as past few seasons were flooding with sourced spoilers) this season might turn into our favor (or a least mine). The scenario of two people leaving in a single episode. There have been a single episode after the merge where they have 2 individual ICs and two TCs(Like Amanda and Danielle in HvsV).I think we could have two duels before each ICs in such episode.
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7. "Possible Tribal Shuffling" |
You know, at first I didn't recognize the full strength of the Zapatera tribe, because I thought that Rob did catch up with the puzzle in the first episode, and in the second episode, they lost out because of Phillip - but it could have been anyone's win.But, now I recognize that Steve, Mike, and Rooster are VERY strong and athletic, where as David is a genious. I think Stephanie and Krista seem athletic, and quick as well. Boston Rob and Grant are dominant, Phillip - not so much, Ashley and Andrea seem athletic, Natalie and Kristina - not so much. I am beginning to wonder if the Zaps may really wear down the Ometepe's to the point that they will not have a chance come merge time. Could there be a tribal shuffle at some point, and if there is, when is it likely?
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12. "bump" |
A double boot is necessary at some point, just bumping this as a reminder.
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14. "RE: bump" |
Yep! Personally I would prefer a three-way duel, it just doesn't seem fair to have one player exhausted from a two-way duel having to then go right into another two-way duel. But some decisions get made based on what makes better TV than what makes better game, like for example this whole Redemption Island twist.
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16. "RE: bump" |
The individual ICs start at the merge, maybe they give the returnee a challenge advantage. But a returnee at the merge with automatic immunity would have a powerful (though temporary) position in the game at the TC vote. Two HIIs, two individual immunities, that would be a great TV Tribal, anything could happen.
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18. "RE: bump" |
I don't believe they will offer the returnee any immunity, unless they send the person into camp after TC, which they might do. However, I think the fair (I know, I know) way to do it would be to give the returnee a chance to win individual immunity. But they can do what want ... for example, they've done the thing where someone is immune because they get sent to Exile Island for some random reason more than once, so there are precedents for unearned immunities. I don't believe it will happen this week as there isn't any hype. If Jeff Probst doesn't tweet it soon, or we don't get a promo, I think it won't happen until Ep 7. They may kick back the double boot in order to work it in with the RI twist.
The logical time for someone to return is the merge, as it could wreak havoc with the numbers the tribes have been reckoning. Or at the end of the episode just prior to the merge. I don't believe they will send someone home without a shot at Redemption, because they're being pretty careful about the Rules of late, and expectations, and Jeff promised them that they get a shot at Redemption until a certain point where there's a final return. He didn't say that some of you will get a shot but it's not guaranteed. 
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19. "Merge Scenario" |
After this week's duel, everyone still in the game will have had a chance to witness a duel.The timing is perfect for a double boot this week (EP6), with a triple duel to start off next weeks episode (EP7). Next week (EP7), everyone left in the game could be invited to watch the triple duel; tree mail telling them that the winner would be returning to the game. The surprise twist, announced after the duel, would be that the tribes have merged and they would all go together to the merge camp to celebrate. Based on the editing, we can assume Matt wins, and could finally reunite with Andrea, while Stephanie could flip to join Rob's alliance. Then the battle for individual immunity would take place and at TC someone would be sent to Redemption Island. Redemption Island would either be vacant if both losers got booted or have the second place finisher from the triple duel, waiting for that weeks votee. In this scenario, the newly merged tribe will have two HII's and II in play at TC...it will be great fun to watch!
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20. "RE: Merge Scenario" |
Fun scenario indeed!Here are my quibbles. 1) I don't think there's a double boot this week. They will hype it. The teasers for this week are really low level, indicating it is not going to have a major twist. 2) So let's say that Ep 7 is the double boot.
They have done a double boot just prior to the merge.
In Cook Islands, there was a double boot from one tribe, of which both became jurors, and then an immediate merge announcement -- the merge then occurring in Ep 10.
(In that season, there was also a double boot in ep 6, but it was a 20 player season and there was no double elimination post-merge.) 3) Do they need to have a triple duel? It will mess up the black and white symbolism. Couldn't they have a duel in Ep 7, and the winner of this 5th duel is told he/she has won privilege to re-enter. Then double boot is announced, and two people are sent to RI. These people duel each other in Ep 8, while the merge happens and the Ep 7 duel winner arrives in camp? If they have a jury of 9 and a F3 = 12,
Ep 6 ends -- 12 left in camp plus 2 on RI = 14.
Ep 7 (DB) ends -- 10 in camp with 1 returnee in wings, 2 VO on RI = 13.
The person who wins the Ep 8 duel would be F12 and the first juror. Just an alternate speculation. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/User_
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03-19-11, 09:04 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Merge Scenario" |
Great speculation and observations!I have to agree with OFG. Based on the vidcaps, pips and clues, we have no evidence of either a double boot or a merge coming up this week. IMHO, I feel the best time to bring the RI candidate back would be at the merge. It just makes sense to me to bring him back when the game turns individual as opposed to tribal. Also, if there were a merge this week, we would surely be seeing signs of it and receiving clues eluding to it. 
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23. "RE: Merge Scenario" |
We need to remember this about double boot and triple duel scenarios and such: Since what source spoilers we've had this season have proven to be spectacularly full of crap, it's a fairly safe assumption that whatever information TDT was working from in assembling its tentative calendar is also full of crap. There's been so much bad information this season that I don't think you can believe a thing anybody says, even veteran Survivor experts such as TDT and even the top posters on the boards. One person's guess is as good as another's, which in a way is a good thing after 3 straight overspoiled seasons. My guess, for what it's worth, which is about jack squat, is that they'll merge, then do a double elim and a triple duel, play down to 9 in camp + 2 at RI, duel those 2, and let that winner rejoin the camp and begin forming the jury. So I thing nothing much will happen in Ep. 6, just a normal episode, Then in Ep. 7 the crap will start hitting the fan.
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03-20-11, 11:35 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Merge Scenario" |
Yes, but once it reaches the jury stage everyone who goes to RI is either a finalist or on the jury at some point, should be attending TCs as observer. (Unless there is a medical evacuation so extreme, a la Skupin, that further participation even as a jurist is impossible. But that would be the sort of thing CBS/SEG would itself unofficially leak, and by the time it happens the audience would be prepped.)
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03-21-11, 00:25 AM (EST)
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29. "Recap: Yes or No" |
Alright, here's the deal.http://www.cbs.com/specials/acma/ Country Music Awards on CBS Sunday April 3, no Amazing Race. If there is one more non-elimination episode to bring Amazing Race to a 12 episode season (and there is usually one late in the race before they get down to three remaining teams), the Amazing Race finale will be on Sunday May 15. Meaning, the Survivor finale cannot be before Sunday May 21. Meaning, 15 episodes. Will there or won't there be a recap? If there are 15 episodes with no recap they only need one double-boot episode in the schedule.
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31. "RE: Recap: Yes or No" |
thank you dabo!
I guess the question is how did they plan it when they filmed it?See, they could not have know about the CMA bumping TAR back last August when they were filming in Nicaragua, and that's when they made the decisions about double boots. A recap can always be thrown together or not. It seems they like to have one if they have room for it. Most likely they shot it in expectation of a standard broadcast schedule. I guess they would have known they were moving to Wednesday, and wouldn't have the March madness conflict any more. Isn't 14 episodes (new episodes) the standard?
Most likely they shot 14 cycles (one of which may have been a 2 TC cycle as in the last three seasons). That allows them to do a recap.
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32. "RE: Recap: Yes or No" |
PS. CBS expects the Finale to air by the 21st as you said, because they have 5/25 set as the date they would do a drawing in case of a tie in the final standings of the CBS Fantasy game.
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35. "RE: Recap: Yes or No" |
If there are fifteen episodes scheduled for this season without are recap I see no reason why they need a double boot/triple duel. How about this format?Episode 1 Wednesday February 16th First player voted out and sent to RI. Seventeen remaining on tribes. Episode 2 Wednesday February 23rd Second player voted out and sent to join the current occupant of RI. Sixteen remaining on tribes. Episode 3 Wednesday March 2nd First duel. Loser becomes the first player to officially leave the game. The third person is voted out and is sent to RI leaving fifteen on the tribes. Episode 4 Wednesday March 9th The second duel takes place. The loser is the second person eliminated from the game. At the end of the episode the fourth person is voted out leaving fourteen players left on the tribes. Episode 5 Wednesday March 16th The third duel commences, the loser is eliminated from the game. Fifteen active players left at this point. Someone else is booted from the tribes leaving thirteen between the two tribes and two on RI. Episode 6 Wednesday March 23rd RI duel. The loser becomes the fourth person officially eliminated. Someone else is voted out and sent to RI leaving twelve on the tribes. Episode 7 Wednesday March 30th The format continues with the loser of the duel being eliminated for good and one more player being voted out of his or her tribe. Eleven players are left between Zapatera and Ometepe. Episode 8 Wednesday Aprile 6th The duel for reentry takes place. The winner recieves Immunity for the round and the loser becomes the sixth player eliminated altogether. The redeemed player returns to one of the tribes. A double boot takes place at this point leaving ten players on tribes and two heading to Redemption Island. Episode 9 Wednesday April 13th Duel takes place, loser leaves the game for good. The ten players on tribes merge into Murlonia. Someone is voted out of the merged tribe and goes to RI. Episode 10 Wednesday April 20th Duel takes place. The loser becomes the final prejury player eliminated from the game. The final nine vote out someone at the merge tribe. Eight players remain on Murlonia. Two remain on RI. Episode 11 Wednesday April 27th The loser of the duel becomes the first juror. The final eight vote out a member of the tribe who joins the current occupant of RI. Episode 12 Wednesday May 4th The RI duel takes place and the loser becomes the second juror. The seven members of Murlonia vote out one of their own leaving six on the merged tribe. Episode 13 Wednesday May 11th The loser of the RI duel becomes the third juror and eighth place finisher. The victor remains on RI. The six members of Murlonia become five after voting someone out at TC. Episode 14 Wednesday May 18th The two on RI duel and the loser becomes the fourth member of the jury. The five members of Murlonia send someone to RI leaving four. Episode 15 FINALE Sunday May 22nd The final RI duel takes place the loser becomes the fifth member of the jury and the winner reenters the game. Five players remain. From here on out things proceed as usual. The final five become the final four sending a sixth member to the jury. After one more IC we're left with our finalists and a jury of seven players.
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37. "How long does RI last" |
I read somewhere (but can't remember where- I will try to find it) that Jeff said there is only 1 returnee from RI. If that is the case, why would people keep being sent there after the merge if that's when they return?
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39. "RE: How long does RI last" |
The Medallion of Power stopped at the time of the merge, too, so now that you mention it, it does make some sense that this "gimmick" would only last for the first part of the season (the part where it has the most advantage - keeping strong players from leaving too early)
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40. "RE: How long does RI last" |
Didn't the call sheets indicate that a player returns from Redemption Island during the finale? Judging by the editing something doesn't add up. Matt has a lot of unfinished business in the game and that arc will need more than just one episode to come full circle after all the build up we've been getting.
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41. "RE: How long does RI last" |
The Call Sheets indicate they were shooting a duel at F5. The challenges are even named. The twist goes to the end ...Personally I think that two will come back in, one at the merge so that he/she has maximum chance to re-integrate, and one at F5 after the original F5 vote. It could even be the same person just voted out. The whole game is too long for anyone to last without cracking, and a person who was voted out premerge had insufficient connection to the players. What makes sense to me is that the last RI duel before the first re-entry, puts a finis stamp on the pre-merge or pre-jury group. That group will be done, and only one pre-merge vote off has a chance to come back in -- and be part of the entire jury stage game. The question I have is whether there is one more player who leaves the game and doesn't make jury after the return. In the past there were enough seasons where the merge boot was not on the jury that precedent doesn't help.
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42. "Seven Episodes for Eight Eliminations" |
After EP6 4 contestants have been eliminated from the game.From the call sheets we know that after EP13, six contestants will still be in the game…At the beginning of the EP14 Finale there will be two contestants on Redemption Island, and the Final Four. This means that 18 – 4 – 6 = 8 players that need to lose a duel on Redemption Island during the next 7 episodes… EP7,8,9,10,11,12, and 13. So, between now and the finale we need one episode in which two players are booted from Redemption Island in the same episode… This also requires there to be a duel every week, or one episode when no one gets sent home and two episodes with a double elimination from Redemption Island. At this point, it's still unclear how that will be accomplished.
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44. "RE: Seven Episodes for Eight Eliminations" |
Unfortunately, we are still left with the same dilemma... ...a double TC sends two people to RI to join the previous winner. At that point a triple duel (or two, one vs one duels), is the only way to eliminate two people in one Episode. However, if at that point the winner returns to the game, we have achieved the objective of a double elimination, but we then find ourselves with no one left on Redemption Island to face the next player voted out... in that case it would take another double TC to repopulate Redemption Island so that we can stay on schedule for an elimation each episode. The answer may just be that there is no returnee until the F5, and poor Matt will have to keep winning until then to get back into the game...but I'm in denial about that option, because it would be unfair and disappointing. Let's keep looking for a solution to this delemma...
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45. "RE: Seven Episodes for Eight Eliminations" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-25-11 AT 02:06 PM (EST)Hello everyone! Thank you all for the thread. And I hope you won't mind if I pose some questions that have been driving me up a wall. First ... I know that I must be missing something (or, very probably, several things), but I can't get past Jeff Probst's promise to the players in Episode One. Specifically: that each one of those players whose torch was extinguished at Tribal Council would have the opportunity to make their way back into the Game via Redemption Island. I heard no exceptions. So why does every model calendar that has been presented here assume that the Final 4 contestant will go straight to the Jury? Too ... If we assume a 14 Episode Season (excluding any Recap) and the validity of the "Call Sheets" spoiler, then - given that those sheets clearly label the TC held on Sunday, September 19th (Day 35) with a Final 5 and 4 Jurors present (and 1 player awaiting the next Votee on Redemption Island) as TC #15 - isn't one and only one dual TC Episode prior to that TC also a given? And, if we assume the validity of the spoiler, then how on earth could we possibly have a Final 3 with a Jury of 9? ETA: I'm beginning to think that they are going to buttress the legitimacy of Redemption Island by taking the Game down to a Final Two and then returning the last of its inhabitants to complete the Final Three that will face the Jury. ETA: But I do think that there will also be a Votee reintroduced to the mix prior to TC 15. 
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51. "RE: Seven Episodes for Eight Eliminations" |
Someone did mention it somewhere, I'll have to look it up when I get a chance. I thought it was a limited twist that didn't last the entire game, but I don't know. Thanks for the reminder! 
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52. "Survivor in Spades" |
I'm thinking that we might see in future editions...the possibility that a gifted athletic and mentally sharp player might consider a pro-active approach with the RI twist.Rather than try to fight your way to the Finals via alliances and luck, you could take fate into your own hands and go the duel route. Now the odds would be long b/c you would have to win each and every week...but what are the odds going the standard route? You have to align with the right group, your alliance can't betray you, none of them get injured and evaced, there isn't a SEG game mechanics(eg Swap) that does you in, you aren't targeted as a threat. There are many pitfalls along the standard game route to the end and the odds are as long there as via a duel. For the 'right' person, it might be the better bet. At least you would have control of your fate and no one to blame if you fall short. Of course this kind of 'end run' undermines the very premise of Survivor by dodging the social gameplay completely. And while the producers might really like to see this once...if it became an ongoing strategy each season, you can bet they would yank RI in a heartbeat. Because while somehow it seemingly escapes the Survivor producers; uniqueness of location, uniqueness of chals, uniqueness of cast make for interesting and compelling TV. Chal re-dos and casting stereotypes do not. The uniqueness of the RI twist is an excellent addition this season, but I think the producers are walking a fine line and need to remember they are setting precident for future strategies. Be careful what you wish for, you may just get it...in Spades...all of them.
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46. "RE: Seven Episodes for Eight Eliminations" |
Hi KB, thanks for all this speculation. You know, when the RI twist was first introduced by Jiffy, and then later explained by EPMB, I got the impression that it would indeed be one chance for the RI winner to return to the game. The double returnee hypothesis came when TDT speculated that perhaps one would be returned at the merge, post double boot, as Jeff Probst hinted that if after episode 6 we, the public, didn't love the new twist, he'd leave his job. It was pure speculation. I have always heard it as ONE returnee. Time will tell.
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53. "RE: Seven Episodes for Eight Eliminations" |
>Just a speculation for the consummate
>spoilers to consider if it
>is possible:
>Next episode's RI challenge winner gets
>to rejoin the winning tribe
>after the double boot.
>Double boot next episode, 1 Ome,
>1 Zap get sent to
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>Possible? Not? Hi Chillicrab! Glad your posting and not just lurking! Your speculation is very possible. In fact TDT has recently revised his calendar with that very scenario for this episode. However, this scenario only eliminates one player from Redemption Island, and eventually we will still need a double elimination in one episode...probably post merge.
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47. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
So speculating that there is a need for 2 players sent home for good in one episode as the schedule speculating goes, there is a scenario that i could think of.post-merge double TC (like they did in 19Samoa and 20HvsV) Eg) Episode 11 - Duel #1 Phillip vs Mike - Mike wins, Phillip out for good
- TC #1 Steve voted out
- Duel #2 Mike vs Steve - Mike wins, Steve out for good
- TC #2 Matt voted out (This is purely an example  ) ------------------------------------------------------- Apart from that above, if there is a returnee pre or at merge there has got to be a double TC(but not double out for good). Or else there will be a vacancy at RI unless there is two double TC post-merge. So I'm guessing
1. Double TC pre-merge(1 from both tribes) but no double elimination at RI
2. Double TC post-merge and double elimination at RI
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56. "RE: Finale Date - May 15" |
Excellent. So that leaves us with a 14-episode season, requiring a double-elimination at some point.... I think?
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57. "RE: Finale Date - May 15" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-29-11 AT 02:34 AM (EST)If we assume a 9 person jury and final 3, the 6th person booted off of Redemption Island is the last pre-jury contestant. So far 4 have been eliminated. Usually the jury is made up of post merge contestants, so we are probably very close to the merge. A double elimination puts us even closer. If we don’t have a double boot this week, next weeks EP8 Redemption Island boot will be the last non-juror. Which I would expect means the tribes would merge in EP8 and I would hope the winner of that Duel would return to the game. Edited to add correction: If we assume a 7 person jury and final 3, the 8th person booted off of Redemption Island is the last pre-jury contestant. So far 4 have been eliminated. Usually the jury is made up of post merge contestants, so they have at least an episode or two to get to know one another. If we don’t have a double boot this week, next weeks EP8 Redemption Island boot will be the 5th non-juror. So, I guess we have more time for the double boot and merge than I fugured. As you can see the logistics have got my head spinning...
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59. "RE: Finale Date - May 15" |
Arrrrgh!Math is not my long suit. Neither is analysis. Any analysis. And analysis that necessarily incorporates math gives me a really splitting headache. So could someone please take a few moments and explain to me how we can have a Jury of 9 and a Final 3 when ... The call sheets show 4 Jurors being transported to the 15th TC on the 35th day of filming to sit with 5 remaining in-game contestants while 1 contestant waits on Redemption Island? Because it seems to me that assuming a Final 3 means that we have just three people to fill the remaining Jury slots. And I'm pretty sure that 3 plus 4 equals 7. Doesn't it? So where have I gone pathetically wrong? Please keep in mind that brutal honesty won't upset me ...  G
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60. "RE: Finale Date - May 15" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-30-11 AT 03:10 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 03-30-11 AT 03:07 AM (EST) Sorry Georjanna! I got this all screwed up... You are absolutely correct, the call sheets clearly call for a jury of 7 and a Final 3. Somehow I got a 9 person jury in my head. My bad! Sorry for all the confusion. We actually have more time than I was thinking to have a double boot and a merge, before jurors are selected. I'll try to be a bit more patient.
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58. "TAR?" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-11 AT 11:15 PM (EST)Are they doing a two-hour, two-leg finale for Amazing Race then? nm, found the article SUNDAY, MAY 8
8:00-10:00 PM “The Amazing Race” (two hours)
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62. "possible scenario" |
episode 7-1 voted out, 1 eliminated from RI, at episode end we have 2 on RI, and 11 left in game (03/30/11)episode 8-double tc-2 voted out, 1 eliminated from RI-winner of RI rejoins game, results in 10 in game and 2 on RI (04/06/11) episode 9-likely a merge episode, with the 10 in game
1 voted out, 1 eliminated from RI, 9 left in game (04/13/11) episode 10-1 voted out, 1 eliminated from RI, 8 left in game(04/20/11)
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63. "RE: possible scenario" |
sorry about the split postepisode 11-2 RI duels and 2 TCs in one episode, results in 2 being left on RI and 6 left in game (04/27/11) episode 12-1 voted out, 1 eliminated from RI, 5 left in game (05/04/11) episode 13-1 voted out, 1 eliminated from RI, 4 left in game, 2 now on RI (05/11/11) Finale-begins with final RI duel, winner returns for the final 5 (05/15/11)
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64. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
The promos announced merge and return, but not a double boot. Of course there is still a chance they will add it to a later promo.I played around with how they might approach this if there is only one vote in Ep 8. Ep 8 (F13) -- Duel, merge/winner returns, loser out of game. 12 left in game. Voted off (VO) goes to RI after TC. Ep 9 (F12) -- TWO TC cycles. Cycle # 1: only one is on RI, similar to Ep 2, no duel. IC, TC. VO goes to RI. Cycle #2:
Duel between Ep 8 VO and Ep 9 #1 VO. Loser is out. IC. TC. 11 left in game. Ep 10 (F11) -- Duel between winner of Ep 9 duel and Ep 9 TC#2 VO. 10 left in game.
All remaining are jury or F3. But this only leaves them four episodes to eliminate 7 people, If Finale eliminates 2 people, that's 5 people in Eps 11, 12, 13. They really ought to lose two in Ep 8 or Ep 9. That would require two duels or a triple duel in one episode. If they had two votes in Ep 8, then there would be two people on RI at the start of Ep 9. However, it is awfully crowded to think of a duel, two IC's, and two TC's in one episode, much less two duels.
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65. "Two Double boots left?" |
After EP 8, six contestants have been eliminated from the game.
From the call sheets we know that after EP13, six contestants will still be in the game…At the beginning of the EP14 Finale there will be two or three contestants on Redemption Island, and the Final Four.
This means that 18 –6 – 6 = 6 players that need to lose a duel on Redemption Island during the next 5 episodes… EP9,10,11,12, and 13.
Since no one will be eliminated next week, between now and the finale we need two episodes in which two players are booted from Redemption Island in the same episode…
This also requires there to be a duel every week, starting in EP10 and two episodes with a double elimination from Redemption Island.
Emydi has presented one very interesting scenario here:
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/7651.shtml#9
I think we can safely assume that we will have a triple duel to start EP10 which will send two players home. That means we will need one more double TC and one more triple duel before the finale.
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66. "RE: Two Double boots left?" |
Agree.
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68. "RE: Two Double boots left?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-10-11 AT 07:24 PM (EST)Scarlett, I had to go back and research it, but there was a precedent in the Fiji season. All the other seasons with an HII, which started for real in Season 12 -- NO. All the seasons with an exile island, where the idol was hidden at exile, only ever had one idol at a time. It was the non-exile seasons where they had two, because they needed one in each camp, but Fiji was an exception. They hid the clues at Exile, but the idol was in camp -- one in each camp. The non-exile seasons were China, Samoa, HvV, Nicaragua. In Nicaragua the two pre-merge idols were never played until the last day.
In HvV, both idols were played at the merge, and only one was rehidden.
In China, James went out with both pre-merge idols in his pocket, at F7, and no idol was rehidden. The next TC would have been the last one to use an idol. There was no clue with the reward challenge though.
Now to Fiji, Yau & Earl were sharing their camp's idol, found pre-merge. Mookie had found the other idol pre-merge. At the merge, Mookie's idol was handed to Alex and Edgardo was voted out. At that point, one idol was played and one pre-merge idol was still in the game. The idol was rehidden in the merge camp with clues on EI. After a few exiles, Yau found the clue that allowed Earl to find the second idol. It looks like that is the only season with the same set of facts as this one. It seems that when an idol is played post-merge, one will be rehidden, even though there is another idol in play that has carried over from the pre-merge.
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73. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-14-11 AT 10:09 PM (EST)
Below are two 'Calendars' illustrating speculated TCs and Duels and their end results for the remainder of the Season. Both are compatible with the 'Call Sheet' spoilers.
The first assumes that Redemption Island will close up shop with a 'second' Final 5. The other Calendar assumes that the last of its inhabitants will rejoin the Game as the third of the Final Three. Note: Nothing changes but Episode 14 ... and the frog. And I know I'm in a minority, but I would prefer the second scenario. It would more fundamentally impact too-familiar endgame strategies and Final Tribal Council rhetoric. ETA: One of the reasons that I think that this second scenario is worth considering is the promise that Jeff made in Episode One: that every contestant whose torch was 'snuffed' at a Tribal Council would have an opportunity to rejoin the Game via Redemption Island. He didn't exclude the person at Final Four.
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74. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
Great work Georjanna! This will be a nice reference to have...While I think the second version would be fun to watch, it seems like an awful lot to fit into a two-hour finale: Two duels, two Immunity Challenges, two regular Tribal councils, the memorial walk and a Final TC...that's eight major events that would have to fit into eight 15 minute segments, and only leave 15 minutes for the Final TC, which usually takes a full half hour doesn't it? I think version one gives the editors more breathing room and is logistically more realistic.
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75. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
I love what you've done Georjanna! I agree with Krautboy that two duels is too much for the Finale. There are some real obstacles to having the last duel on Day 39. 1) The memorial walk is before the last IC, which would be the F4 walking on Day 38, so the returnee would not be part of the ritual/rite of passage. 2) After someone is eliminated from the game, he/she gets food, talks to the psychologist, records final words, is examined by the doctor. greets the other jurors, eats, gets cleaned up. Those last jurors are not going to be together in time for the Final TC, not mentally and not physically, not emotionally. As it is, the last juror doesn't have much time, but at least gets to sleep, eat, and more or less integrate with the others. (In Holly's case, less.) As for an earlier final duel -- the call sheets show rehearsals two days in advance of the challenge, and no duel is being rehearsed on Day 35 or 36, so there isn't one on Days 37 or 38. I now think from the promo that they will do a 9 person jury. I can't block it out all beautifully like you can though. I'll try to post some sort of visual rundown, just not in graphics form. They have been doing Family Visit in the penultimate episode, but as there are two F5's, I'm going to say it is in Ep 12 at F6, the usual number. The Call Sheets do not show any filming of a separate reward group in Ep 13. Not only is there no RC, but there is no IC until the third day, and there is no crew shooting the loved ones group that day. And there is TC that night. The challenge is over around 1:30 pm, and the TC begins for the tribe at 5:30. If FV is Ep 12, then Ep 11 must be the double tribal. I think that Ep 9 demonstrated there is no time for a duel in the same episode as a double TC.
If you block the IC's on to the schedule you have, you will see that a duel, an IC, and a TC all have to fit into Day 38,
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78. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
WOW, color me impressed, Georgianna! Your chart is amazing, and the scenarios plausible. Thanks so much!
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76. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
For Georjanna to transform:
I'm not real happy with the 5-way duel I ended up with in Ep 12, but not sure if they can fit a duel in a double tribal episode. Also the first juror is alone too long. Maybe flip episodes 11 and 12? That would put Family Visit at 8 contestants.EPISODE 10
Beginning: Redemption 3, Murlonia 9, Jurors 0 3 Duel: 1 to jury, 2 remain
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End: Redemption 3, Murlonia 8, Juror 1 EPISODE 11
Beginning: Redemption 3, Murlonia 8, Juror 1 IC
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Half-time: Redemption 4, Murlonia 7, Juror 1
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Ending: Redemption 5, Murlonia 6, Juror 1 EPISODE 12
Beginning: Redemption 5, Murlonia 6, Juror 1 5 Duel: 2 or 3 to jury, 2 or 3 remain
RC, family visit, IC or combo IC, Family Visit
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Ending: Redemption 3 or 4, Murlonia 5, Jurors 3 or 4 EPISODE 13
Beginning: Redemption 4, Murlonia 5, Jurors 3 4 Duel: 1 to jury, 3 remain
TC- 5 Murlonia, 4 Jurors
Ending: Redemption 4, Murlonia 4, Jurors 4 EPISODE 14 DAY 36
Beginning: Redemption 4, Murlonia 4, Jurors 4 4 Duel: 3 to jury, 1 returns to game DAY 37
F5 IC
TC: 5 Murlonia, 7 Jurors
Ending: 4 Murlonia, 8 Jurors DAY 38
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F4 TC: 4 Murlonia, 8 Jurors
Ending: 3 Murlonia, 9 Jurors DAY 39
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79. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
nice OFG thanks! I think you nailed it
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80. "Variant to consider" |
When they get up to four on RI they could have two side-by-side two-person duels, luck of the draw pairings, two to jury and two remain on RI. My problem is that while a 5 person duel is possible, the arena gets really crowded and very difficult to film.
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82. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
In the other thread, OFG suggests that RI folks won't go to TC because of the call sheet info.
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30. "RE: How will the jury work" I forgot there was a way to settle this question using the call sheets. The sheets lay out all the cast who need to be transported and the crew members driving them to and from. There are crew members assigned to bring the jury and the players still in camp to the TC and back, but there is no crew going to RI to bring anyone to TC. RI players stay on RI.
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85. "Revision A -- Family Visit Ep 13 (TDT)" |
Premises:
One juror eliminated in Ep 10, per Survivor Facebook poll and press release wording.
No duel in a double tribal episode like Ep 9 -- too crowded.
No duel in an episode with a separate RC.
If Family Visit were an RC/IC combo, it would not end only three hours before TC (Day 35 schedule).
Day 33 could be either an RC or a Duel, we don't know.
TDT's newly revised guess for a 9 person jury has family visit in Ep 13, with a double tribal in Ep 12. The problem is, there would be no duel for two episodes straight with all those jurors and contestants in limbo.If Ep 11 is a double tribal, then we have the problem of too many people on RI by the end of it.
2 from Ep 10 duel, 1 from Ep 10 TC, 2 from Ep 11 TC's. I think then that Ep 11 needs to be a single tribal, and could even be the family visit. EPISODE 10
Beginning: Redemption 3, Murlonia 9, Jurors 0 3 Duel: 1 to jury, 2 remain
IC
TC
End: Redemption 3, Murlonia 8, Juror 1 EPISODE 11
Beginning: Redemption 3, Murlonia 8, Juror 1 Day 1 DUEL: 3-way. 2 to jury, 1 remains.
Day 2 RC/IC combo -- Family Visit
Day 3 TC -- 1 to Redemption Ending: Redemption 2, Murlonia 7, Jurors 3 EPISODE 12 - DOUBLE TRIBAL
Beginning: Redemption 2, Murlonia 7, Jurors 3 IC #1 -- 1 to Redemption
TC #1
IC#2 -- 1 to Redemption
TC#2
Ending: Redemption 4, Murlonia 5, Jurors 3 EPISODE 13
Beginning: Redemption 4, Murlonia 5, Jurors 3 DAY 33 -- DUEL: 4-way, 1 eliminated, 3 remain.
TC -- 1 to Redemption
Ending: Redemption 4, Murlonia 4, Jurors 4
(call sheets show the 4 Murlonia and 4 Jurors) EPISODE 14 DAY 36
Beginning: Redemption 4, Murlonia 4, Jurors 4 4 Duel: 3 to jury, 1 returns to game.
Possible format to 4-way duels, 2 sets of one on one. Winners compete final heat for spot to return into game. DAY 37
F5 IC
TC: 5 Murlonia, 7 Jurors
Ending: 4 Murlonia, 8 Jurors DAY 38
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F4 TC: 4 Murlonia, 8 Jurors
Ending: 3 Murlonia, 9 Jurors DAY 39
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86. "RE: Revision A -- Family Visit Ep 13 (TDT)" |
Thanks for taking all this on. However it works out, it's frustrating. Now I have to figure out, again, the best way to do the vote threads.
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87. "RE: Revision A -- Family Visit Ep 13 (TDT)" |
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84. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
Had a few tweets with TDT RT Phoenix, and he switched to the 9 person jury but with two eliminations in Ep 10. He revised to show Family Visit in Ep 13 on Day 33.and a double TC in Ep 12.I have a tweet out to him asking it it is likely to have no duel in both Eps 12 and 13. I think not, want to hear what he says. I was working on a revision to eliminate the 5 person duel, which I think is totally unlikely, but I'd like to hear what he says. The problem with Ep 13 is there is no challenge on Day 34. We presume there is a challenge on Day 33, but is it the family visit RC or a duel? Could they have both on Day 33? Maybe, but why would they do that and leave Day 34 wide open? If Ep 12 is a double tribal with no duel, and Ep 13 has no duel, then the Finale will have a big duel. At least four people. One left from Ep 11, two from Ep 12, one from Ep 13. I guess that is only 4. TDT does think a "bloated" 4-way duel in the Finale is feasible. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/User_
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88. "Pre Ep 11 Revision" |
Well, that was encouraging. Ep 10 was just as I theorized. Which leaves me so much room to be wrong now ...
__________Jeff says there's a twist at the Ep 11 TC, so I want to do a revision with two votees in Ep 11. The reason it didn't seem to work is that 5 would bunch up at RI, but if there's only one TC, that allows time for a duel. I'm going to see if this works with at least two not eliminated, as it may be the new norm. EPISODE 11
Beginning: Redemption 3, Murlonia 8, Juror 1 Day 1 DUEL: 3-way. 1 to jury, 2 remain. Day 3 IC
TC /IC/ TC -- 2 to Redemption Ending: Redemption 4, Murlonia 6, Jurors 2 EPISODE 12
Beginning: Redemption 4, Murlonia 6, Jurors 2 Day 1 Duel: 4-way 1 eliminated, 3 survive
Day 2 RC --Family Visit
Day 3 IC/TC -- 1 voted out
Variation: they could combine the RC/IC, still have it Day 2.
Ending: Redemption 4, Murlonia 5, Jurors 3 (the rest is unchanged from last week's spec) EPISODE 13
Beginning: Redemption 4, Murlonia 5, Jurors 3 DAY 33 -- DUEL: 4-way, 1 eliminated, 3 remain.
TC -- 1 to Redemption
Ending: Redemption 4, Murlonia 4, Jurors 4
(call sheets show the 4 Murlonia and 4 Jurors) EPISODE 14 DAY 36
Beginning: Redemption 4, Murlonia 4, Jurors 4 4 Duel: 3 to jury, 1 returns to game.
Possible format to 4-way duels, 2 sets of one on one. Winners compete final heat for spot to return into game. DAY 37
F5 IC
TC: 5 Murlonia, 7 Jurors
Ending: 4 Murlonia, 8 Jurors DAY 38
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F4 TC: 4 Murlonia, 8 Jurors
Ending: 3 Murlonia, 9 Jurors DAY 39
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04-21-11, 08:57 AM (EST)
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89. "RE: Pre Ep 11 Revision" |
Jeff has confirmed there are eight left in the game for the Finale. We knew that though, from the call sheets, as soon as the jury started at F12.Saw this snippet from EW posted by ratsnsnakes at MESS: From Entertainment Weekly.com's interview with Probst: Q: Very close and tense house of cards duel between Mike, Matt, and David at Redemption Island. Why move from one-on-one duels before the merge to group duels post-merge? A: It’s simply a numbers thing. In order to have enough people to get us through the majority of the season we end up having too many at the end, so we have to get rid of them! It made sense to increase the numbers post merge. One of the exciting benefits of having multiple people at Redemption is that it keeps more people in the game, all with a shot at the money. The final episode will have eight people still vying for a shot at winning.
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04-21-11, 10:31 AM (EST)
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92. "RE: Pre Ep 11 Revision" |
If there isn't something more public than a tweet or a blog I'll be surprised.
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04-21-11, 05:06 PM (EST)
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94. "Expanding..." |
Looking at the situation from Rob's viewpoint (it seems to be Rob's game so far), and assuming straight pagonging till F5, and no exZap returns from RI, then there will be 5 exZaps on the nine member jury. Plus Matt maybe. All six who might not be inclined to vote for Rob. That possibility should worry Rob some.If an exZap returns and manages to be an F3, then there will be 5 ex-Omes on the 9 member jury. All but Matt might be inclined to vote for Rob if they can get over the fact that Rob engineered (as he most surely would have) their ouster. Which leaves the Matt problem. If Matt is in the F3 mix, most likely he would win, so he needs to be booted once again, this time to the jury. So, what does Rob do about a problem like Matt on the jury? I think the answer is that Rob needs Phil at F3 to keep the voting between himself and the F-third, and maybe, just maybe, split off that rebelious ex-Zap vote that he would needs. So, Rob's needs an ex-Zap with him at F3 plus Phil. Otherwise he has a problem. Will the other Ome's see this, that they can't afford to let a ExZap in at F3? And that they have to put Phil on the Jury if they can? In defiance of Rob's supposed orders? Or, more idealy for them, that they really need to get rid of Rob as soon as they can to open up their game?
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04-26-11, 12:14 PM (EST)
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97. "In the same form ... " |
LAST EDITED ON 04-26-11 AT 11:51 PM (EST)Previous speculation regarding calendar events and their results by TDT ~
 and by OFG ~ 
Revised/Current speculation regarding those calendar events and their results by TDT ~ 
and by OFG ~
 And the revised/current speculation of TDT and OFG side-by-side ~ 
Note (with wave to OFG): Took me a while ...
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04-26-11, 07:39 PM (EST)
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98. "RE: In the same form ... " |
Thank you!I just saw this (was out of town for Easter), and haven't gone over the fine points, but it looks like TDT's version is driven by the need for one stand alone RC -- the Loved Ones. Blind Freddy linked interviews where Jeff seems to indicate there will be no stand alone RC's, only combos. That really is the big question, will the FV be an exception?
If so, there cannot be a duel in Ep 13, and that would account for why TDT has more eliminated. My most recent idea was that they could do a second TC in Ep 11, and combine that one with the FV RC, having the reward on Day one of Ep 12, similar to China F8/F7. Otherwise, if they stick to a combo challenge, the IC is run the day before TC instead of same day. Normally there would not be an IC outcome before a reward is enjoyed. However, if they do it the way I described, the TC vote would immediately follow the RC/IC held at TC, and the reward can then be early next episode, with the following IC and TC on the third day of the cycle. Note that in any case, one of Eps 11, 12, 13 has to have TWO TC's, because the TC's are numbered on the Call Sheets. Now, would a TC with two votes and a challenge in the middle be numbered as two TC's? If not, there is still a double tribal coming. I do think that when they did those double boots, it was considered a separate TC when one tribe moved out and the next came in, so it could be they number them per vote. If they don't, and there is a double tribal to get us to TC#15 on Day 35, then Ep 11 does not have a second vote as the twist. Only one extra vote is needed. So this might be worth discussing -- what constitutes a TC?
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04-27-11, 01:07 AM (EST)
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99. "RE: In the same form ... " |
LAST EDITED ON 04-27-11 AT 01:14 AM (EST)Have I mentioned how much I hate this season? So what they say doesn't have to be absolutely true just as long as it is mostly true or they can parse it somehow or if we're the only ones who take it so gosh all seriously or something. At least that's nothing new. The one thing I think is an absolute is that they have to cram each planned episode into so many minutes per week. Maybe from time to time they can grab an extra minute or two of air time if the network lets them. What constitutes a TC? If we think in terms of what they plan for, basically they want to end each regular episode with a TC. Two Tribals pre-merge is planned to send both tribes to TC in one cycle, one person being voted out of each tribe, so each vote out constitutes a separate TC. Then there's what they allow for. Shucks, whatsisname took a header and had to be sent to the hospital, let's have a TC so we can end the episode. What, the diva and the beach bunny both want to quit, we better have a TC to deal with the both of them. In the new physics of game destructive Redemption Island getting voted out isn't getting eliminated, but we've already had three episodes with no eliminations, what's one more. This season isn't the first time there has been an episode with no elimination, though it used to be very rare. Cool, we've got a tied vote going into a tie-breaker challenge, let's pull out the "To Be Continued" flag to take us into finale! Just saying. Truth, it just isn't that big a deal, they like it well enough but they aren't married to it. Never have been. Right now they're in the tedious part of the game. It often happens, at some point it usually becomes things just playing out a certain way, let's get through it as best we can. Fortunately, they don't even really need to cast or script for it, drama always turns up. Where was I going? Right, truth. They say because of RI and duels it will all be combined reward and immunity challenges. But then after the merge rewards just vanish for a long time. And they can point out that it was just one challenge per TC. Truth, right? So, time is what they really think about and have to budget, that's how they construct their plans. Where is it written that there has to be a Reward Challenge for there to be a Family Visit? They could just do the Family Visit version of Survivor Auction, which was never actually a challenge although that's what it is called. Family Visit on its own can eat up simply gobs of time especially if everyone gets a visitor. Part of TDT's projection, by the way, allows Probst a day off for the S21 broadcast premiere. Time.
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04-27-11, 10:08 PM (EST)
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103. "RE: In the same form ... " |
As the preview doesn't show Loved Ones, it looks like the Family Visit is pushed to Episode 13. In that case, I lean towards
Ep 12: 2 of the quadreulers to be out, two stay in. End of episode: 3 on Redemption, 4 jurors, 5 in Murlonio. Ep 13
No truel, instead family visit. End of episode, 4, 4, 4. Although it seems weird to me to have three people sit on RI for that long with nothing to do. Guess we'll wait and see what the promos say. If there is a "duel" in Ep 13, then only one will have gone to the jury in Ep 12.
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04-28-11, 09:01 AM (EST)
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105. "RE: In the same form ... " |
Or there's no family visit?
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04-28-11, 10:28 AM (EST)
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106. "RE: In the same form ... " |
A false family visit spoiler would net them nothing in terms of plugging leaks. (A faked call sheet could at least have pointed to someone, though it would be a low probability gambit and they would have trouble proving intent over accident.) Pranksters pretty much lost interest over the years, drifted away, and the TMI of missyea source spoiling at least killed the fun of any pranksters still hanging on.
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04-28-11, 05:55 PM (EST)
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107. "RE: In the same form ... " |
But isn't it just one poster who mentioned the family visit? Could just be someone being stupid online. I don't know - it's feeling less and less likely to me. Videos from home, sure, but an actual visit?
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04-28-11, 09:20 PM (EST)
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109. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
Just realized that Ep 12 is a 2 day cycle, because Ep 11 unexpectedly went through Day 30. Ep 12- Days 31 & 32 Ep 13 -
Day 34 -- activity unknown, duel or TDT specs a family visit
Day 35 -- no challenges, crew doesn't do anything unusual.
Day 36 -- IC and TC. While we don't know for sure that Day 33 is part of Ep 13, as we have no info on it, if it were not, the only activity that ep would be on Day 35, so it has to be. Which leaves us two days for this one, and that is not much, because they certainly need a duel with four people on RI.
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04-29-11, 11:51 AM (EST)
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110. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-29-11 AT 02:13 PM (EST)http://www.truedorktimes.com/s22/calendar.htm TDT updated after episode 11 but hasn't yet updated for new info of family in ep 12. Ep 12, Days 31 and 32.
Ep 13, Days 33-35.
Finale, Days 36-39. ETA: Day 31 was the S21 broadcast premiere, duel in morning and family visit dramatics should allow Probst time off to hype.
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05-02-11, 06:05 PM (EST)
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114. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-02-11 AT 06:06 PM (EST)FP, Thank you once again for your kindness. It never fails to make my day. But I'm afraid that I've really contributed very little for a couple of Seasons now. Maybe next Fall ... My tests were fine. I just have some very routine surgery scheduled in a couple of weeks and - despite the fact that I have faithfully promised him that I will neither die or sue - a surgeon with absolutely no sense of adventure ... G
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05-02-11, 06:13 PM (EST)
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115. "RE: Double Boots and Triple Duels?" |
Yes, Georgianna, so beautiful!Basically it has all turned out the way I imagined, with one juror out per episode, more personnel per duel, one duel each episode, and that FV would be earlier than Ep 13. Those were the points where TDT and I differed when I started working on this. The double boot was a given but could have been either 11 or 12, and the family visit was a given, but it was very awkward fitting it in. SEG solved that by combining it with the duel. My basic argument was that they couldn't combine the FV with an IC, and that turned out to be right. They needed it earlier in the episode. I didn't bother to do a formal update once we saw the family members, because it was obvious what was going on. Ep 13 is very straightforward now. I really don't have any more questions on how it will go.
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