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"Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Please devote tonight's sigpic-free discussion to the many fine alternative programs available on such quality networks as Lifetime, VH1, Spike, FOX News Channel, and gawds help us all, the O, on this thread until 11 p.m. tonight.

Maybe if we're all very quiet and pretend we're not here, the season will go away.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... Estee 10-08-09 1
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... Snidget 10-08-09 2
       RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... PepeLePew13 10-08-09 3
           RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... michel 10-08-09 4
               Hey! Estee 10-08-09 5
                   RE: Hey! Snidget 10-08-09 6
 A.S.S. #2 practice (in progress) Estee 10-08-09 7
 Megalomaniacs-R-Us PepeLePew13 10-08-09 8
 Quest Snidget 10-08-09 9
   RE: Quest PepeLePew13 10-08-09 10
       RE: Quest PepeLePew13 10-08-09 11
           RE: Quest Snidget 10-08-09 12
               RE: Quest SquidProQuo 10-08-09 14
               RE: Quest Brownroach 10-09-09 63
           RE: Quest SquidProQuo 10-08-09 13
       RE: Quest Estee 10-08-09 15
           RE: Quest michel 10-08-09 46
               RE: Quest Estee 10-08-09 53
                   RE: Quest michel 10-08-09 59
   RE: Quest Loree 10-09-09 62
 The Chicken Whisperer is here! PepeLePew13 10-08-09 16
   RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Estee 10-08-09 17
       RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Snidget 10-08-09 19
           RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Estee 10-08-09 23
           RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! michel 10-08-09 48
   RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! PepeLePew13 10-08-09 18
       RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Snidget 10-08-09 20
       RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! SquidProQuo 10-08-09 21
           RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Estee 10-08-09 22
               RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Snidget 10-08-09 25
                   RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Estee 10-08-09 34
               RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! SquidProQuo 10-08-09 26
               RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! frisky 10-08-09 27
       RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! Brownroach 10-09-09 64
           RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here! PepeLePew13 10-09-09 68
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... frisky 10-08-09 24
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... SquidProQuo 10-08-09 29
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... PepeLePew13 10-08-09 28
   RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... frisky 10-08-09 30
   Don't worry. Estee 10-08-09 31
       RE: Don't worry. CTgirl 10-08-09 43
   Did I miss something? mimo 10-09-09 66
       RE: Did I miss something? Brownroach 10-09-09 67
 Yasmin logic frisky 10-08-09 32
 If I do nothing around camp Snidget 10-08-09 33
   RE: If I do nothing around camp PepeLePew13 10-08-09 35
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... frisky 10-08-09 36
   Why so surprised? Estee 10-08-09 40
 The vote... PepeLePew13 10-08-09 37
   RE: The vote... Snidget 10-08-09 39
       RE: The vote... SquidProQuo 10-08-09 42
   RE: The vote... SquidProQuo 10-08-09 44
       RE: The vote... PepeLePew13 10-09-09 69
 RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Co... frisky 10-08-09 38
 Live post-episode discussion -- Estee 10-08-09 41
 So is that the right boot? byoffer 10-08-09 45
   RE: So is that the right boot? SquidProQuo 10-08-09 47
       So is that the right boot? Absolute... michel 10-08-09 49
           RE: So is that the right boot? Abso... SquidProQuo 10-08-09 51
               RE: So is that the right boot? Abso... michel 10-08-09 52
               RE: So is that the right boot? Abso... michel 10-08-09 60
                   RE: So is that the right boot? Abso... Brownroach 10-09-09 65
       RE: Next time on Survivor SquidProQuo 10-08-09 50
           RE: Next time on Survivor SquidProQuo 10-08-09 54
               RE: Next time on Survivor michel 10-08-09 55
                   RE: Next time on Survivor byoffer 10-08-09 56
                   RE: Next time on Survivor SquidProQuo 10-08-09 57
                       RE: Next time on Survivor michel 10-08-09 58
                           RE: Next time on Survivor SquidProQuo 10-08-09 61

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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings
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10-08-09, 07:29 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
*opens season #1 Big Bang Theory set*

*loads up first disc*

*watches pilot*

I wonder which one would be voted off first?

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2. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I would think Sheldon. Usually the bossy go early.
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3. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Hot girls usually go early as well...
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4. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Is the one voted out thrown down the elevator shaft?
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5. "Hey!"
I'm only on the first season! No spoilers!
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6. "RE: Hey!"
so ixnay on the ickenchay?
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7. "A.S.S. #2 practice (in progress)"
*not watching*

*not watching*

*not watching*

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8. "Megalomaniacs-R-Us"
Shambo returns to Galu and isn't happy she isn't as well received by her tribemates as she were by Fooey Fooey.

"I have a following over there."

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9. "Quest"
Leader picks two to go on a quest and they may come back with more food.

Hanging out waiting for Jeff.

And they see the chickens.

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10. "RE: Quest"
Definitely a cool, new way to do the reward challenge, at least from first impressions. The two three-somes arrive and they have no idea what to do for a while without Jiffy... then they finally start running around trying to figure out what to do before finding the clue in a pirate box.

It's a game of Bocce, see how close you can get to a flag on a stick.

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11. "RE: Quest"
LAST EDITED ON 10-08-09 AT 08:16 PM (EST)

Danger Dave wins reward for Galu with the final throw!

I'm wondering if that was the first time there's ever been a challenge for reward with only part of each team bothering to appear for the challenge - and especially without Jiffy or anyone else to referee things.

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12. "RE: Quest"
Looked like it was raining at the end of that. Either that or my TV's got some weird snow on it.
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10-08-09, 08:17 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Quest"
Yeah, I saw the rain too
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63. "RE: Quest"
LAST EDITED ON 10-09-09 AT 11:21 AM (EST)

It was weird, I only saw the "rain" during the shots of RussSwell. I (jokingly) thought it was being photoshopped in as some Ominous Foreshadowing.

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13. "RE: Quest"
That was a lot more exciting than you'd expect for Bocce Ball!
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15. "RE: Quest"
'See, Jeff? We're perfectly capable of having the show without you. Now smile as you sign for the pay cut.'
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46. "RE: Quest"
Or maybe negotiated some extra time off to mingle with the locals!
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53. "RE: Quest"
Would that be the Yul Sandwich mingling?
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59. "RE: Quest"
I'm thinking he asked medical to check him out.
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62. "RE: Quest"
Russell told Mick to go first. Mick didn't argue. He should have thought about it. The type of game it was really gave the advantage to the team that got to have the last ball.
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16. "The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
Shambo: You've got to have a relationship with the chickens or they won't trust you.

*proceeds to walk around strutting and bawking like a chicken*

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17. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
Is it still safe to assume the chicken noises are the most intelligent thing she's said all season?
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19. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
LAST EDITED ON 10-08-09 AT 08:30 PM (EST)

Pretty much.

ETA: Especially since apparently Shambo laid the egg and the chicken was just incidental to the process.

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23. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
Shambo laid the egg

The casting department still holds the Guinness record for it.

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48. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"

Especially since apparently Shambo
>laid the egg and the
>chicken was just incidental to
>the process.


What came first? The Shambo or the egg?

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18. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
"As God is my witness, I thought chickens couldn't fly!"
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20. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
RussWell. It has wings, it flies.
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21. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
LOL!

Seriously, though, what the heck was Jiffy talking about when he said we'd all love Shambo? First the fishing debacle....then she comes back from her visit and makes a huge strategic error by saying how great the other tribe was and how they all loved her...then she proceeds to lose the chicken! Yikes, what's next from her? Some serious hole-digging.

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22. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
He also thought we'd all love Coach.

Jeff's judgment calls have become a little dubious.

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25. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
Too much sun? Or has the rain rotted his brain?
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34. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
You know how it goes: pour one too many blood sacrifices into your hair and the victims begin whispering in your ear.
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26. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
I really liked the IC challenge. And wow, Russhell really hustled across that rope....Natalie and Ashley did great too.
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27. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
I think he has a thing for mullets.
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64. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
LAST EDITED ON 10-09-09 AT 11:21 AM (EST)

I think the cameramen must be dozing this season. First there was the incident when Ben tripped RussSwell in the challenge -- did they get actual footage of the trip? No, just JP throwing Ben out and RussSwell limping (briefly).

Now they don't show the chicken actually escaping from the coop, just Shambo making an announcement.

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68. "RE: The Chicken Whisperer is here!"
LAST EDITED ON 10-12-09 AT 01:44 PM (EST)

We were shown the kick to RussWell's calf from Ben, it was quite clear and not hidden at all.

Edited: Here's the video of the trip...

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24. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Did Jiffy say that Fugga Fugga had a good "heighth" advantage?

Please tell me he didn't say that.

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29. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Sorry, I missed that
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28. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Good challenge.

Teams had to open up bags of blocks, make their way through a maze, then stack up the blocks in one pile, then climb through a rope course, then stack up the blocks even higher. Foa Foa barely edged out Galu to finally win their first IC. Good teamwork as they had to hoist up members in order to be able to put the final blocks on top.

And, right on cue, the skies opened up and started pouring just as the tribes left the challenge to go back to their camps.

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30. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
I agree, Pepe. It was refreshing to see a tough new challenge for a change.
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31. "Don't worry."
LAST EDITED ON 10-08-09 AT 08:46 PM (EST)

Galoot can always cover their shelter in pillows.

ETA: So was RussHell unable to sabotage the challenge, or did the others just work past his efforts? Because, you know, winning anything goes against his basic strategy.

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43. "RE: Don't worry."
I think he forgot his strategy for a sec - he looked pretty darn happy that they won. He was jumping up and down too.
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66. "Did I miss something?"
I admit that I was dealing with laundry during the show, so maybe this was explained. It didn't look like a Foa Foa member got to visit Galu and attend their tribal council. Is that their way of admitting both HIIs have been found? Or did the Foa Foa member just get lost in between so many Galuts?

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67. "RE: Did I miss something?"
There was no camp visitor last night. Before the show we were debating whether the visit would come after the RC or the IC, since the first two times there had been a combined challenge.

I bumped the HII thread to discuss what might happen with this now.

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32. "Yasmin logic"
LMAO.

That is all.

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33. "If I do nothing around camp"
No one can say I did anything the wrong way.
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35. "RE: If I do nothing around camp"
And since I've been doing nothing whatsoever around camp the entire time here, if you still don't think I stepped up, then vote me out - my body needs the rest!
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36. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
RusSwell: Seriously? You are the leader, and therefore, everyone forfeits their vote and does your bidding?
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40. "Why so surprised?"
He wouldn't even be the first person in series history to say it out loud.

I'm not even sure he's top twelve.

I called him RusSwelledHead first.

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37. "The vote..."
Yazee
Yaz
Monica
Monica
Yaz
Yasmin
Yasmine
Yaz

Yahtzee! The loudmouth is gone, fancy boots 'n all.

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39. "RE: The vote..."
Wearing the heels to tribal and braggin about it really didn't do anything to dispel they you think you are a princess and we should all just do everything for you thingy, did it?
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42. "RE: The vote..."
Yes, the multiple close-ups of her high heels were priceless.
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44. "RE: The vote..."
So Shambo was the only one (other than Yasmin herself) to vote for Monica....once again, she's the outcast. Even RussSwell was smart enough to flip over and vote with the majority, even though he didn't agree.
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69. "RE: The vote..."
Over on the Insider clip thread, it was revealed that Yasmin claimed she got along very well with Shambo but they didn't show much of it on TV. So it seems to me that they promised each other they wouldn't vote for the other.
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38. "RE: Survivor #19 Episode #4 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
What a trip! The summary practically writes itself!
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41. "Live post-episode discussion --"
-- now begins at www.myinfochat.com in the Recreation & Sports room.

I may just have to sit back and listen for a while.

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45. "So is that the right boot?"
LAST EDITED ON 10-08-09 AT 09:41 PM (EST)

They had a decision between a) helpful in camp but a challenge liability and b) useless in camp but good in challenges. Did they choose correctly?

Yasmin was certainly b), and I guess Monica was a) (did we see her do much to help in camp?). I would prolly have been quick to boot Yas too. YofferBoy felt they made the wrong choice. He said that with a tribe of 9 people (after the boot) they still had enough to get things done at camp, and needed the strength for the challenges. Good logic in that.

So what do you think? Right choice or wrong?

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47. "RE: So is that the right boot?"
LAST EDITED ON 10-08-09 AT 09:06 PM (EST)

Great question byoffer!

My vote would be to keep those who help you in the challenges. Monica was pathetic in the challenge today and definitely lost it for her team, so I would have voted her out. (But then again, I didn't have to live with Yasmin for 9 days....she is so obnoxious!)

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49. "So is that the right boot? Absolutely"
An individual's challenge strength meant nothing to galu right then. They'll have to sit out 3 people at the next IC so they could always sit out Monica if they need.

In survivor, you always vote alliance first and the leader of Galu is LAURA. Monica is her #1 little soldier so Monica wasn't going anywhere.

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51. "RE: So is that the right boot? Absolutely"
Michel, how do you know the leader of Galu is Laura???
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52. "RE: So is that the right boot? Absolutely"
Erik talked to Russell about voting out Monica then he went to John, Dave, Laura and Kelly to see what they were thinking. Laura said she wanted Monica to stay, Yasmin to go. Who left?
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60. "RE: So is that the right boot? Absolutely"
I just watched the episode again and I have to amend what I said because I attributed Dave's words to Laura. Still, Laura had the final words at TC: "Number 1 for me is what you do in camp," then we saw Laura's vote for Yaz and the camera kept going back to her during the vote reading. At the end, once Yasmin had done the 1st ever high-heel walk of shame, Laura was shown smiling.

So, I have to say that Laura could be their leader but so could John and Dave. With Kelly, Brett and Monica, they certainly have the numbers (which are 90210).

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65. "RE: So is that the right boot? Absolutely"
I don't think Galu has had any one person pulling all the strings up to now. Judging from last night, Laura had some influence on the vote going toward Yasmin. But RussSwell is also being deferred to, since as The Appointed Leader people don't want to be on his bad side.

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50. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
LAST EDITED ON 10-08-09 AT 10:03 PM (EST)

-- 48 hours straight of rain; everyone's freezing
-- Looks like gross food challenge next week...something with sea slugs
-- RussHell tells Liz "she's on thin ice" (per next week's title, thanks to Michel)
-- It was a really quick shot, but it kind of looked like Liz lets go of the rope or somehow screws up in a challenge

Oh, and I don't think anyone mentioned above that Erik found the HII in a tree in Galu. Pretty easy to find, just like on Fao Fao. Shambu told both Erik and John the clues and apparently didn't even bother to try to find it herself -- what's up with that???!!

Erik found it while the others were sleeping...although John was spying and *might* know that Erik has it.

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54. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
Couple of quick observations from tonight's episode:

-- Club Med alliance = Kelly, Laura, Monica, John, Dave, Brett
-- Don't hear much from Laura or Brett...are they being hidden for a reason?
-- The apparent outliers on Galu are Shambo, RussSwell, and to a lesser extent, Erik
-- Erik tries to talk to both sides, but isn't as tight with 90210
-- John isn't as bad as his original negative edit seemed to portray...he's playing the game and keeping watch on Erik (which could be Erik's downfall??)
-- Dave is my fave so far on this tribe...seems like a great character

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55. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
"John...keeping watch on Erik"

You realize that we don't know if he was looking up at Erik or if it was even done the same day. He could have been looking at one of the girls or anything else.

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56. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
I think he was probably looking at Erik, but if it was me and I was secretly watching I would not have rolled over and gone back to sleep!
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57. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
Yes, I realize that...but it was definitely edited to make it appear to the audience that he was looking at Erik.

Also, when Shambo was giving Erik the clues in the trees, John came running up to them out of nowhere and asked for the clues too....coincidence? Erik even complained about it.

John is smart and I think he has his eye on Erik. It will be interesting to see if John hunts for the HII too and realizes Erik has it.

Based on Erik's confessional, he doesn't plan to share (even though he promised it to Shambo if she needed it). Will be interesting to see if others on his tribe find out soon that he has it...and if so, what the ramifications will be.

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58. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
No doubt that John is smart IRL but, on Survivor, it seems we should see him as dumb. That roll over byoffer mentioned could be another indication.
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61. "RE: Next time on Survivor"
Isn't John the rocket scientist? I think he's portrayed as the "pretty boy"/poser but not necessarily dumb. Anyway, it's not that important about John per se -- I agree he's not a main character to be reckoned with.

My main point was that John *appears* to be on to Erik having the HII....and Erik's confessional about saving it to play on Day 30 screamed "foreshadowing of downfall" to me. Did anyone else see it that way??? Or maybe I'm misreading things?

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