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VerucaSalt 1580 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"	02-09-09, 07:48 AM (EST)
"The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"
Welcome back It appears that perhaps an initial theme (at least) may be “first impressions” in light of how the show commences. Whether this has any bearing for end game, we will only know at end game. First impressions can play a definite factor in how the course of the game runs. How can we forget Jake selecting such physically fit people and his optimism that his tribe would really triumph. We all know what happened to them. Can immediate first impressions have an ultimate bearing on the conclusion - of course they can. Once again, Jeff's "take" on prior winners: (Bob) "He's the oldest guy out there. And unfortunately, that works against people all the time, even though there's probably nobody better equipped for this game. He's probably the guy who will be the biggest asset, if they don't get foolish and vote him out." "To me Parvati is this season's Amber. Last time, Parvati used her flirting, and it got her a long way. But we didn't really see her do a whole lot more than that, and the question was, what if underneath that she's got a strategy? What if she's figured out how to play this game- could she last long enough to become a threat? Parvati's a question mark." "Todd is a Survivor super fan who's wanted to be on since he was 14. Next to Courtney, he's probably the smallest person here. He's what you look for — a great personality who knows how to play this game." and "This kid couldn't drive when we started. He did know the game. It's because he's been watching since he was a kid. I'll tell ya, in his case, it pays off. He knew going in how to start the game. He had a game plan how an alliance best worked and how you worked people" "Yul could absolutely win this game; I'd be delighted if he did; a super likeable guy" and "Yul is a player. You underestimate Yul, you'll be going home before he will... He studied the show. As somebody who wants to play this game and have a shot at winning he's studied the show" "I'm not sure what he's (Aras) bringing. He's bringing a lot of talk. Does he know how to play Survivor? We'll find out. That's all I've got on Aras." "Danni is someone that I think people are probably going to get behind. She's in great shape. She's tall and she's got a competition background" "Tom is salt-of-the-earth guy. A father. A firefighter. There's no chance of this guy being a villain. You hope he lasts long enough in the game to be a hero. If he does last for a while, he's the kind of guy who could win it, because people are going to look at him and say, You know what, why not him? Everything about him is good." "If Chris is everything he reports to be, he'll do just fine in the game, that's the question. Is he putting on a really this strong "I'll tackle anything bring it on, you can't beat me kind of guy? I don't know. I think he's one of the guys that could either emerge as really strong or fade fast" Also, a guy you know will play the game like Mariano; super exciting to us....." (Recall this is coming off from All Stars) With that....I believe I have the tribe breakdown correctly given to me. Feel free to add whatever information the contestants themselves provided since I did not delve into that other than Jeff advising there are a number of likeable people this season. Tribe One Jerry *Jeff says* Jerry is a loveable man. There's so much more to Jerry though than a big smile. I mean this guy has been in Afghanistan...he's led troops. And he's explained to me before his philosophy and it's not about: 'who are my leaders'....it's about 'who needs my help'. That kind of leadership is really mature. Whether people recognize it or not, it could serve him really well. Candace *Jeff says* Candace is unfortunately on a season in which there are a lot of likeable strong people. And she may fall victim to not being as strong. I think the heat and the bugs might get to her. What Candace will have to do though is show people that 'I am a warrior and not a princess'. Tyson *Jeff says* Tyson’s one of my favorites this season because he's maniacal and I don't know what he's going to do. The great thing about Tyson though, is he's smart enough and good looking enough that people will think he's normal. Some people will be attracted to him. They'll have no idea he's got that Richard Hatch sort of diabolical mind always working. Sierra *Jeff says* Sierra is one of my favorites. She's 23, she's sassy, she did a lot of homework before she came out here. She will either dig deep and show people: 'don't underestimate me' or she will fade like yesterday's newspaper. And she will be in Ponderosa, which is where all the losers hang out. Erinn *Jeff says* Erinn I'm on the fence on. She's got to make a first impression....that is: 'I'm a worker'. Right away. 'Cause otherwise, I think you look at her and you might judge her as a pretty girl who's gonna fade early. So that would be my advice: 'pick up the heaviest thing you can and start walking'. Benjamin *Jeff says* Benjamin. Hands down one of the most fascinating guys that's been on the show. He is so full of himself. And he's full of himself like Richard Hatch was. He wants to take the best to the end. And he believes he's one of the best...and there are 3 others. And he's gonna get 'em together and we're gonna run this game and we'll duke it out. I wouldn't want my sister to date him...but I love him on Survivor. Debra *Jeff says* Debra's interesting because she's quote unquote an older woman this season. But she doesn't act like one. And her life experience of working with kids all the time as a Principal also helps keep her young. I mean look at how she dresses and how she wears her hair. She has a very young energy. The question is will she get labeled with a first impression of: 'eh...she's the old woman, let's get rid of her'. Or will people think 'she's got a lot of energy, she's got a lot of vitality, maybe we should keep her around'. Brendan *Jeff says* Brendan. He's a very successful businessman. Those skills can work on Survivor. He knows how to lead people. He knows how to take an idea and execute it. So he's going to have to overcome the burden of people figuring out he's successful and still wanting to keep him in the game Two Richard Hatch references? It appears to me if this breakdown is accurate then Benjamin may have already selected three of his tribe to "rule the roost." It also appears based on Jeff's "blurbs" that Jerry, Tyson, and Brendan may be the three that Benjamin has his eye on. It will be interesting to see how Tyson and Benjamin work - being of the same mindset, they may get along fabulously or there could be some ego issues. With four seemingly strong men, the women may find themselves in a predicament although Jeff noting Sierra is a favorite of his seems to possibly say she can withstand this tribe. Candice, Erinn and Debra may have the harder task of proving themselves initially. Tribe Two Spencer *Jeff says: Spencer is 19 years old. Which means if you do the math, we are in our 9th year, he was 10 when Richard Hatch won. That's exciting and scary at the same time. I think the thing that might get in Spencer's way is that he couldover think things. He knows Survivor so well, he's such a superfan, that he could over think it. Had Spencer been a year older he would have been on Fans vs Favorites. He just wasn't old enough. Sandy* *Jeff says* Sandy will be unfortunately be off very very early. If her tribe loses the first Immunity Challenge I imagine she will be gone first. There's just no way around it. She's country, she can swear with the best of them, she's very likeable. But she's going to be angry when it happens, but it's gonna happen. James/JT *Jeff says: Likeable* kid. Runs a ranch. He knows what hard work is. I think JT is OK being by himself, which is also good out here 'cause there's a lot of lonely nights. I think JT's gonna get flirted with...and probably do some heavy flirting himself. Joe *Jeff says* Joe is gonna be compared to Colby. That's what I think people are gonna say. Looks like a strong fit dude...he's good looking, he's charming. I think if Joe gets on the right tribe he'll be a leader, he'll be strong at challenges and he'll probably be in the game for awhile. Carolina *Jeff says* She's small, she's cute...and I think people will think 'aw, pretty little girl in the red dress'. I think she's really tough. It's gonna be which alliance she ends up in. If she chooses wisely she could be in deep deep. If not, middle of the pack. Nobody's going to get rid of her early, she's too cute. Stephen *Jeff says* Stephen is going to have a big job to integrate well. There's a feeling on this season of 'young...kind of hip'. And Stephen's a little outside of that. He's a little more of an intellect. And if he can use those skills in the right way, I think he could do really well. Taj *Jeff says* Taj is going to have a little bit of work to do because of appearances. I think that happy smile only goes so far and then people are going to start looking at her. And if she starts hanging her head low and saying: 'this is getting me down', she's an easy one to vote out. The flip side on Taj is she's so likeable. If people find out she's married to a former NFL player, that could work against her. 'Cause people like to look at success as a reason to get rid of you. Sydney *Jeff says* Beautiful. People are gonna judge Sydney. Because typically on Survivor, if you really pay attention, the hot blonde woman fades every single time. Sydney needs to break that cycle. 'Cause otherwise they'll keep her around to look at and she'll be low on the totem pole and alliance and she's be middle of the pack...maybe Jury. And you'll forget whatever her name was...the girl from San Diego who was really cute. With only by the words Jeff uses, this tribe seems like they are marginally the more "likeable" tribe (per se as our views on who we like does not necessarily correlate to whom is supposed to more likeable) However, in Survivor, likeable doesn't necessarily mean they will ultimately be the most successful. Jeff does not use many words in describing this group in relation to game playing as much as it appears with the other group. There also seems to more emphasis on appearances/first impressions coming from Jeff with the second group and that may have a big impact with this group. The two groups seem very different in how Jeff describes them. Jeff's descriptions about a good amount of the women seem also a bit lackluster compared to the men and it would not surprise me if we have a male dominated long term game. There seems to be quite a few males that may dominate with either strength or strategy and it will be interesting to see if they also meet up after both groups merge together. With two groups broken down evenly with the men and women, how will the voting lines break down intially? With first impressions being touted, we all know that many times the ones pegged as the old person or the weak person get voted off first. I also find it curious that Jeff goes all the way back to our first Survivor winner to make some comparisons. Enjoy the season!
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RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... PepeLePew13 02-09-09 1

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Belle Book 02-09-09 2

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Flowerpower 02-09-09 3

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Rahaim 03-16-09 69

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... LFJ 02-09-09 4

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... mattben 02-09-09 5

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... suzzee 02-09-09 6

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... michel 02-09-09 7

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Flowerpower 02-10-09 8

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... CTgirl 02-10-09 9

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Belle Book 02-10-09 10

Episode #1: Editing Thoughts michel 02-14-09 11

   RE: Episode #1: Editing Thoughts Belle Book 02-14-09 12

   RE: Episode #1: Editing Thoughts Flowerpower 02-15-09 13

       RE: Episode #1: Comments michel 02-16-09 14

           Episode One Editing VerucaSalt 02-17-09 15

               RE: Episode One Editing mysticjay 02-17-09 17

               RE: Episode One Editing sol 02-18-09 20

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... mattben 02-17-09 16

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... jobgirl 02-18-09 18

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... sol 02-18-09 19

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... flystorms 02-18-09 21

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... VerucaSalt 02-19-09 22

Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts: michel 02-21-09 23

   RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts: Belle Book 02-22-09 24

       RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts: michel 02-22-09 25

           RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts: Belle Book 02-22-09 26

               RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts: electropoprebel 02-22-09 27

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... PepeLePew13 02-23-09 28

Tyson vs. Coach PepeLePew13 02-28-09 29

   Episode 3 Editing VerucaSalt 02-28-09 30

       RE: Episode 3 Editing suzzee 02-28-09 33

       RE: Episode 3 Editing Flowerpower 02-28-09 34

           RE: Episode 3 Editing michel 03-01-09 35

               RE: Episode 3 Editing Belle Book 03-01-09 36

                   RE: Episode 3 Editing PepeLePew13 03-02-09 37

                       RE: Episode 3 Editing Belle Book 03-02-09 39

   RE: Tyson vs. Coach suzzee 02-28-09 31

Entrance to TC, and seating arrange... sol 02-28-09 32

Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps Flowerpower 03-02-09 38

   RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps VerucaSalt 03-04-09 40

       RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps Brownroach 03-04-09 41

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                   RE: Episode 3 Editing jobgirl 03-05-09 44

           RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps PepeLePew13 03-05-09 45

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Episode #4: Editing Thoughts michel 03-08-09 46

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   RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts PepeLePew13 03-08-09 48

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       RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts LFJ 03-10-09 56

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RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... television 03-14-09 64

   Episode 5 Editing VerucaSalt 03-15-09 65

       RE: Episode 5 Editing michel 03-15-09 67

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RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... sol 03-15-09 66

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... electropoprebel 03-17-09 70

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... sol 03-17-09 72

Post Recrap Thoughts... Flowerpower 03-26-09 73

   Recap Editing VerucaSalt 03-29-09 74

       RE: Recap Editing michel 03-29-09 75

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       First Episode vs. Recap PepeLePew13 03-31-09 79

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       RE: Recap Editing CTgirl 04-02-09 81

           Episode 6 Editing VerucaSalt 04-04-09 83

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               RE: Episode 6 Editing michel 04-05-09 85

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                   Episode #8: Editing michel 04-19-09 114

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Stephen PepeLePew13 04-18-09 109

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... television 04-18-09 110

RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... michel 04-25-09 127

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Outfrontgirl 04-25-09 128

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... citywitch 04-26-09 130

           RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Outfrontgirl 04-26-09 133

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... michel 04-26-09 134

           RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Outfrontgirl 04-26-09 137

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Belle Book 04-26-09 131

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... LFJ 04-26-09 132

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... michel 04-26-09 135

           RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Belle Book 04-26-09 136

   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... Flowerpower 04-27-09 138

       RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... suzzee 04-27-09 139

           RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit... kingfish 04-29-09 140

Episode #10: Editing Thoughts michel 05-03-09 141

   RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts Outfrontgirl 05-03-09 142

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       RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts Georjanna 05-03-09 144

       RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts michel 05-03-09 145

           RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts Georjanna 05-03-09 146

               RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts Outfrontgirl 05-03-09 148

                   RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts Georjanna 05-04-09 149

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               RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts michel 05-04-09 150

               RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts Flowerpower 05-04-09 151

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                       RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts Flowerpower 05-04-09 153

Episode 11 CTgirl 05-09-09 154

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           RE: Episode 11 michel 05-11-09 158

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               The F2 suspense Outfrontgirl 05-13-09 160

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Episode #12: Editing Thoughts: michel 05-16-09 167

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       RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts: michel 05-17-09 171

   RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts: Outfrontgirl 05-16-09 169

       RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts: DRONES 05-17-09 170

           RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts: michel 05-17-09 172

Post-Mortem michel 05-18-09 173

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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings
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02-09-09, 01:38 PM (EST)

1. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

>Two Richard Hatch references? It appears
>to me if this breakdown
>is accurate then Benjamin may
>have already selected three of
>his tribe to "rule the
>roost." It also appears
>based on Jeff's "blurbs" that
>Jerry, Tyson, and Brendan may
>be the three that Benjamin
>has his eye on.
>It will be interesting to
>see how Tyson and Benjamin
>work - being of the
>same mindset, they may get
>along fabulously or there could
>be some ego issues.
>With four seemingly strong men,
>the women may find themselves
>in a predicament although Jeff
>noting Sierra is a favorite
>of his seems to possibly
>say she can withstand this
>tribe. Candice, Erinn and
>Debra may have the harder
>task of proving themselves initially.
Hi VS! Great to see you back here once again to get this season started off on the right foot...
Like you, I was immediately taken by the Dicque Hatch references. To me, this seems to suggest that we should be watching these two to see if they go all the way to the final tribal council, or at least we should expect them to be major players in the game (but not necessarily finalists).
Another Jiffy blurb from the TV Guide interviews had this to say about Ben: "Pre-game, he saw his final four alliance as including Debra and Brendan, and maybe the guy with the 'square jaw, dark hair, mid-20s.'" Consequently, we might be seeing Debra successfully proving herself in the early going to Ben.

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Belle Book 3613 desperate attention whore postings
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02-09-09, 04:41 PM (EST)

2. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Well, Sugar might be the hot blonde young woman of Gabon. If so, she certainly didn't fade -- she made it to the finals.
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02-09-09, 05:37 PM (EST)

3. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Hiya VS, hope you had a nice Survivor hiatus, but glad to see you back! Thrilled to start the game this week. I love your "first impressions" as well. Clearly we know that they are making "first impressions" critical to this particular series. My first impressions are that there are alot of "alpha" types on the first tribe that you note, the Timbira's.
On the Timbira tribe Brendan, Tyson, and Ben all seem like alphas. Tyson and Ben seem extremely egocentric...Here is what Reality Blurred(thanks to michel for posting it in another thread...the contestants thread) had on Ben:
Benjamin « coach » Wade is as impossibly arrogant as he is intelligent and accomplished, and after our conversation, I was convinced that he is someone Survivor desperately needs. That’s because he has a plan to alter the now-predictable way people play the game, and his strategy may just work, if his personality doesn’t get in the way.
Benjamin applied for the show for the first time last summer, although when it first debuted in 2000, “I objected to the fact that it really wasn’t survival. »
To him, the cast members aren’t always awesome. “It’s become, in my opinion, survival of the weakest, survival of the manipulative, survival of the dishonest, with some good, honest people sprinkled throughout the game,” Benjamin/Coach (I’m really not sure what to call him) told me. “You haven’t seen a final four that’s all of the strongest. I want to change the game. I want to make it back to being a survivor. »
He said Candace and JT were “like pleading at me with their eyes to take them into the fold,” but thinks JT isn’t physically strong enough and Candace is smart but too “freaked out about bugs and stuff.” He also cited the “tall guy, blonde hair, real Abercrombie and Fitch type” (Tyson, I assumed) who has “condescending attitude” and has “a lot of damage control to do” because he acts “very superior.”
Pre-game, he saw his final four alliance as including Debra and Brendan, and maybe the guy with the “square jaw, dark hair, mid-20s.” He was pissed at Brendan, the “famous businessman,” for revealing that he was being cast (Brendan posted his application video on Youtube), but Benjamin said that because Brendan’s business and sales depend upon his behavior on the show, Benjamin has “kind of got him by the balls on that.”
That’s another strategy: convincing people to play the game his way by appealing to them individually, like arguing to Brendan that his business depends upon ethical behavior in the game, or telling to a teacher that he or she needs to set a good example for their students. “I am phenomenal at manipulating people,” Coach told me. “I’m awesome at manipulating. If I wanted to, I could win this game.” He said he will “plant the seeds in a select few individuals, have them carry the torch” and once they’ve “carried my ideology into that merge, and then, it won’t be such an issue. »
His leadership in the game will be modeled after Jesus: “Of course, Christianity, to be a servant/leader, that’s what Jesus Christ was. I see that in myself, and I see wanting to be that servant/leader,”
Here is what Reality Blurred had on Tyson:
Tyson said, “I’m a pretty outgoing person, so it’s easy for me to make friends, but I guess it’s easy for people to hate me—not really hate, but I can get on people’s nerves, I think, because I’m outgoing and say what I think… perhaps somebody’s annoying the entire team, I’m definitely going to have my way with them then.” He called that strategy, “Mock one so the rest thrive. »
“I swam at BYU on scholarship, so I’m sure I’m a better swimmer” and “my endurance is higher than most, if not everybody’s here”.
As to his perception of other players, he said the old lady (Sandy) is “like a five-year-old” and “her mannerisms bother me, she’s fidgety.” He also talked about the “little blonde girl with the semi-smashed face” (Sierra, I assume) who is a “stereotypical blonde” and “seems pretty stupid… the “long-haired dude,” (meaning Ben/Coach) “seems like he’s pretty strong and could be a good guy to work with.”
Although his “parents are big fans” of Survivor, Tyson said “I didn’t pay that much attention to it before,” and was recruited (by a friend of a friend working in casting, apparently).
I think these two have serious superiority complexes, and get a load of Ben, sounds like he thinks of himself as "Jesus-like"!!! Interesting that he noted Tyson to have a "condescending attitude" and that he "acts very superior". This is sure going to be an interesting season. Then from what I have read and hear from Tyson commenting on himself and his fellow survivors, he definately seems "maniacal". These two are clear alphas, as far as I can tell. Can't wait to see how they manipulate each other...
Then add Brendan into the mix...he's used to being superior as a self made millionaire...here's what Reality Blurred had on Brendan...
"I can’t wait to do all that stuff,” he said of daily camp life and the challenges. “This is so fun. What an awesome, unique experience to have and to go through.” He’s also ready to play the game: “I want to win; when I play games, I love to win. I didn’t come here just to come on vacation; I could have done that somewhere else with a lot more freedom,”
Brendan insisted, “if I need to be a leader, I will; I don’t have a problem with it… I think the best strategy is to make your tribe as comfortable as possible and provide leadership where they need it, and to ultimately win the immunity challenges where you can.”
So, he will not avoid being the leader if he has to as well...so, if I were one of the girls in this tribe, I think I may lay low, pull my weight, and wait for the self destruction to begin....after all, in a tribe full of multiple alphas/leaders, one of the followers should win???
Interesting that Ben has already spoken regarding having Debra and Brendan on his radar...bodes well for those two...maybe...Clearly, he is playing the game before they are even out of the gait as others seem to be as well.
Here is the section where michel has noted the Reality Blurred passages.
Regarding the Jalapao Tribe, clearly Jeff feels, and I must admit on first impressions I do as well, that Sandy will be toast likety split...I really like the sounds of Stephen...seems very bright, humble, and open. Here is what Reality Blurred had on Stephen:
« In a season of people I liked pretty well, he was easily my favorite for that combination of intelligence and quirky characteristics, never mind his easygoing personality, and I suspect he’ll be an intriguing character on the show and probably go very far… He does sound somewhat academic and is obviously smart, but there’s no arrogance or elitism at all, and that’s part of what makes him so engaging. »
“I’ve always thought that people who went on reality shows were idiots, because you have no control over your own image,” Stephen said. “And I’m obviously afraid of that; I’m sure everyone’s afraid of that.” He cited the part of the contract that “even explicitly says they can make you look stupid if they want, which is kind of incredible that they include that line.”
Stephen was “recruited a week before the final round”
Stephen… plans to emulate the way Rob (Cesternino) “targeted the outliers, the loners who weren’t friends with anyone” and “built up these relationships” with “allies that didn’t have any other outlet.” But Stephen also noted that there was a “fundamental flaw in his strategy; it wasn’t incidental” that Rob lost.
I’m a little bit physically awkward,” he said. “I’m sort of terrified of tripping in a challenge and immediately being voted out as punishment… I’m seriously terrified about it.”
He also talked about Brendan (“his initials are B.S., which is unfortunate for this game,” Stephen said, and he knew that because, at Ponderosa, casting verbally identifies contestants using their initials). Anyway, Stephen described Brendan as being “very expressive” and also “very engaged with the group,” and added, “I think working with him would be great.”
Bodes quite well that Stephen has Brendan on his radar so far as well...
..Sounds like Jiffy likes Joe as he liked Colby. Don't really think much of JT at this point.
In a season that is advertised as having alot of very likable people, it will be very interesting to see how all of the supposed blindsides occur and who will be a mastermind...
The men in this season seem very very colorful indeed. The women look like players, for the most part as well, but I don't know how they will be able to compete with this lot. But, as I mentioned earlier, in a season full of leaders look to a follower to perhaps take the big prize?

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69. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Has anyone watched the opening credits for Thursday, MArch 12, 2009? Towards the end it shows , a group of, I think , which might be the final group. They all have their torches. I can make out Taj and Sierra.
Please take a look and tell me what you fine.
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4. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Hey Veruca,
As always, I read your comments with a mixture of interest and satisfaction, as this thread heralds the opening of another season of Survivor.
My work schedule is difficult to predict, so I rely heavily on some of you "Pros" for insight into what is happening with/to the "Survivors".
If first impressions are the theme of this season, then the early money (mine) is on Jerry, provided he isn't injured or backstab...I mean blindsided by someone for being too much of a threat.
Anyway, thanks for all of the work you do throughout the seasons. Your observations help put everything into perspective.

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5. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Veruca,
I always love your insights and the others posted on this thread. Thanks for the early start.
While I'm not adverse to spoiling, I like to speculate about the MO and "fate-line" of the players from the data we have in hand.

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6. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

VS! Thanks for coming out and starting this legendary thread for S18
I've ~~been goofing off at work~~ spending my free time looking at the "meet the cast" videos. A couple of things I noticed is that the music/background sounds are different for some of the cast. I'm not sure if it means a thing, time will tell but I'm going to take another listen and post later. I'm watching 24 tonight. I <3 Jack

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7. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Hello Veruca, it's nice to read from you again. Now, the season can start.
I see that you and FP have nicely set the stage with the early information we have on the contestants. The last time that Jeff mentioned the importance of making a good impression was before the Cook Islands season and we saw how the players that made strong early impressions on us and the other players (Ozzy, Yul and Jonathan) dominated that season.
I'll write my first impressions on the contestants which has many recruited models and a few millionaires:
Timbira is a very well balanced tribe, demographically and talent wise:
Benjamin: What a piece of work! With such a superiority complex, his edit will need a lot of manipulation to make him a palatable winner. No doubt he will have a lot of airtime but will it be all one-dimensional or will he be fleshed out?
Brendan: He seems to be part of Benjamin's plans which could give him time to settle in. I think he's one of the smarter players but will he be Survivor smart?
Debbie: I was worried about her chances when I first read her bio but she changed my opinion already. From the previews, we see that she'll get to work right away which could be good.
Erinn: I liked what I saw and she seems to have made an impression of being likeable and physical to the other players. On a side note: Listen to her voice and you'd swear it's Jenna Morasca talking!
Jerry: Imagine the background of Sarge but with the smile and personality of James. He should be fun to follow.
Tyson: I wasn't impressed with him at first but he could surprise me. The Hatch reference has to be considered.
Candace and Sierra could be in trouble despite what Jeff had to say.
Jalapao is a very young tribe with many representatives of the Southern States:
Stephen: I really enjoyed his interviews but he's a Yankee in a tribe of Southerners. His only luck is that there are some very weak links in this tribe.
Sydney: She's already been targeted by Sierra as the "Other Blonde". Does that mean we'll see them going at it in challenges? She seems to be the fittest woman in this tribe.
Taj: She'll need time to settle in and make her mark. She could be the big sister to this very young tribe or she could be their target. She's probably the strongest woman of both tribes but is she fit or will she fade like Rebecca?
James (JT): Imagine Big Tom with some game smarts. If he can be in the right alliance, he could surprise people.
Spencer: He could be another Todd with more physical abilities but I don't think we'll be that lucky.
Joe: Strong but dull.
Carolina: Everything I see tells me she's weak. Everything I read tells me she's capable. I need to see her on the show.
Sandy: She's in deep, deep trouble.

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8. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Hiya, michel! You and I are on the same page with our first impressions....
One thing interesting is that both Jiffy and Ben had positive first impressions of JT. Ben noted him as a possible final fourth person to go through the game with, while Jiffy campared him to a very positive "Colby-type", while my first impression is like yours, strong but dull...hmmmm.

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9. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Hey michel and FP, I am on board with your "first impressions" too.
Even before I read that Jeff said there were a lot of blindsides this season, I couldn’t believe how many survivors talked about blindsides in their CBS video. They’re out to play hard and nasty! There are a lot of assertive men and alpha-males and a lot of weak females. The well-rounded females could do well as the weak get taken out first and then the alphas go after each other. With all the potential blindsides, will it be a leader or a follower who is the last man standing?!
Ben intrigues me the most. I don’t necessarily see him being able to win, but the journey should be fun! As for Joe – I thought the same thing (I even wrote down ‘boring’ after I watched his video), but he could be the perfect partner. He said he wasn’t going to try to be a leader and he might get along well with the men who want to call the shots.

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10. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

You mean Joe, not J.T.
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11. "Episode #1: Editing Thoughts"

LAST EDITED ON 02-14-09 AT 08:59 PM (EST)
With First Impressions serving as our opening theme, one must consider that the players who made comments during the truck ride will be important.
They were, in order: Erinn, Tyson, Stephen, Sandy, Sierra and Coach.
The editor’s choice was certainly partly determined by the irony behind their conflicting first impressions. Still, we should always remember which players were chosen to speak first. While some can be big pre-merge characters, there has to be some end game players in this group of 6 and possibly the winner.
Which players missed their first opportunity to make an impression on the viewers?
Which players made a strong first impression on the viewers and their tribe mates?
The winner is more likely to be in that second group UNLESS, as Jeff noted, some players are able to change the first impression that they made.
Who Are You?
Candace and Debbie weren’t even given the opportunity to make an impression on the viewers. How many noticed that it was Debbie who told Sierra when they arrived in camp that “You couldn’t have done what we did today”?
Although one these two women could make it to the end (we’ve seen many characters without a story do it), I don’t think they will have much impact on the story.
Joe : He was in charge of the compass during the trek but he remained in the background until his only confessional that happened just before tribal council: “Between Sandy and Caroline, it’s kind of a tricky decision being that it’s pretty close as to how they will perform in future challenges and how they will add to the moral of the camp. The first option is Sandy, just based on how old she is, but Caroline can be very bossy and it’s gotten worse. In this environment, that bossy streak will get old pretty quick.”
(That last sentence was pieced together from another occasion as he didn’t have his shirt at the end)
Joe gave us nothing of personal insight. If first impressions hold up, it looks like his role will be limited.
Sydney : Despite a few comments here and there, the first impression Sydney gave the viewers was when she struggled as much as Carolina in the challenge. Then, with Spencer, she failed at solving the table maze, costing Jalapao the challenge.
After the challenge loss, Sydney had a confessional: “Tribal council is the one thing that I was dreading. I don’t want to vote for Sandy. I mean, she worked her ass off at the challenge but I don’t know who else to vote for.”
At tribal, Sydney told Jeff that Sandy welcomed them with “open arms but that, the next day…she didn’t do much around camp. She was going off by herself a lot.”
When we heard her say that she didn’t want to vote out Sandy, I thought she shouldn’t be so nice because the vote could easily swing against her. She couldn’t have made a very good impression on her tribe except for Spencer who seemed to like her. Tribal council should prove painful for Sydney sooner rather than later.

Taj : She was seen on screen with Coach when we heard Jeff ask if they were ready to start the game.
We heard Taj during the trek talking about melting her baby fat in the heat.
We saw Taj blowing a kiss at the immunity idol right after Jeff had said it was the most important thing in the game.
In the lake scene after the challenge loss, we had Joe, Sandy, Stephen, JT, Carolina and Taj. Carolina was trying to get her team to work together and it was Taj that spoke up, telling her not to get defensive but to listen, adding that she can be whiny and that she causes tension and frustration in the group.
Taj told us: “When we first came back, we were hot, we were exhausted. We lost and the first thing you’re going to tell somebody is you need to clean up?? Clean up the outdoors, are you kidding me?”
Again, Tribal Council, where “Nothing good ever happens”, Taj looked as if she was in charge but she didn’t speak once. We saw her smile when Sandy told Jeff how pissed she was by the first vote and that she was in fact a crazy woman. We also saw Taj agreeing when Carolina recognized her faults.
Although I have slightly more hope for her future than the previous players, it’s troubling that the editors didn’t give Taj a chance to present herself to the audience. She’s the invited celebrity of the season but she didn’t get the treatment that Gary Hogeboom, Dan Barry, Ashley Massaro, Jean Robert or Crystal Cox received. On the good side, I will venture a guess that the alliance in Jalapao is formed by Taj, JT, Joe and Stephen while Spencer, Sydney and Sandy are on the outside. Taj directed the conversation that switched the vote from Sandy to Carolina and she looked very secure, even comfortable, at tribal.
Brendan : His only noteworthy moment came after Coach told him his plan.
His confessional: “Coach, right away he came in and said; “I want to tell you how I’m playing this game.” That throws up a red flag, like 1: Is he lying? And 2: We’re here to play and win a game and I don’t think any of us wants a coach in that process.”
(The part after 2 was said in voice –over and with a different sound quality as if that wasn’t exactly what #2 originally was)
We saw that Brendan made a good impression on his tribe mates but what about the viewers? Was his confessional meant to put doubts in the viewers’ mind on whether Coach can succeed or was it to set the table for later when Brendan blindsides him? We will need to hear more from him before we can determine what his role will be.

For these people, it could be a bad sign that all we saw of Carolina was to explain why she became a boot target. We had heard some off camera remarks from her, like “We see some booty” when Stephen ripped his pants or when she asked Taj “Have you seen any tarantulas yet?”
Carolina’s anger at Sandy as they arrived to camp started her downfall as it showed her bossiness: “We’ve been walking 4 hours carrying pots and water melons… and I say great; you’ve been chilling here and we still gotta do stuff.”
Soon Carolina was giving orders to Taj, Sydney and JT as they worked on the shelter. Carolina said: “It’s hard for me to keep my feelings to myself but I’m hoping that my tribe really understands that shelter is extremely important and we buckle down and really get going.”
Carolina was ignored during the trek and all her scenes were used to explain her boot. The players that were ignored in the premiere could have the same kind of arc.

“They Were Who We Thought They Were”:
Sandy : It didn’t take long to realize that Sandy will be outspoken. She talked about Stephen: “I think he’s like a geek. I think I should be able to lead him around real easy.”
Reacting to the tribe’s vote, Sandy had a lot to say: “I’m pissed. I didn’t know it was going to be like this, that we vote before we got to know each other. When one of the youngest ones drops out first, you’ll see who can handle the heat.”
Jeff didn’t appreciate her celebration after he announced the twist. He reminded her that she had been outcast by the tribe. Sandy’s behavior during the rest of the episode showed that she didn’t learn that lesson.
Receiving the nickname “Psycho Sandy” wasn’t a good sign either.
Sandy was still pissed when she arrived in the helicopter. She said: “I’m glad I’m here first and that they can’t see me with the emotions of the first vote. I’m hoping to make it 39 days; I’m going to show ‘em. Maybe I am the older woman but I’m older and wiser. Let the games begin.”
Sandy then read the welcome note. She told us: “I’m looking for the idol, that’s what I’m doing… When I first got here and I saw the supplies…I thought that I could build this camp that they won’t even like anyway because an old lady made it and it’s still not going to keep my name off that piece of paper. So, I’m going to look for the idol. That’s the bottom line; you have to look out for #1.”
For someone who wanted to show she was wiser, the editors made her look foolish when she hid the note in her bra and asked if “they” looked even and then, later on, when she didn’t know what 10 paces meant or where to find the palm tree. The first thing Jalapao asked her when they arrived was: “Why isn’t our house built?”

Sandy wasn’t apologetic: “Screw you… Why the hell do I even want to waste my energy in trying to get into your good grace when I wasn’t even, when I, when it wasn’t even an option? I know what I have to do and that’s find that idol. I want to outwit them, trick them one time at least, let them write down my name and I go: “No, look here! I have the idol.” I’d love to do that!”
As the tribe worked on the shelter, Sandy told them she was going to use the restroom but went to look for the idol instead. Her prolonged absence made JT comment: “That’s kind of antisocial.”
Despite all this, Sandy really performed well in the challenge, taking charge in building the staircase and overtaking the lead that Timbira had gained during the race. Jeff even said: “The two people nobody wanted are now leading their tribes.”
After the loss, Sandy said: “I’m glad I’m here today. I hope I’m here tomorrow but I believe my tribe is voting for me so I’m going to look for that immunity idol.”
At tribal, Jeff asked Sandy if she tried to change their perception that she was an old lady. Sandy responded: “No because I’m the old lady no matter what but that old lady can also fit into this tribe of all these kids that could be mine!”
Jeff had to ask: “Sandy, are you a little crazy?”
She answered: “I’m a lot crazy!”
The big character of episode #1, nothing was held back to show that Sandy was in fact the crazy old woman. The vote that saved her could mean that she has changed the first impression of her tribe but her confessional and her surprise at Tribal told us that she wasn’t in the alliance. She served as the pawn so that the 4 person alliance could take charge of Jalapao. Since Joe, JT and Stephen took the time to keep Spencer and Sydney in the loop, Sandy still looks like Jalapao’s next target.
Spencer : He spoke to Jeff about Jalapao’s scramble: “We’ll be alright, we’ll make due.”
Spencer had a confessional about the trek: “I’m 19 years old. As far as I know, I’m the youngest contestant ever on Survivor. I’m obsessed with it. I’ve watched every season. I love the physical aspect, I love the challenges. But, the trek was treacherous, it was hot.”
Finding him alone with Sydney after the challenge loss, Spencer was thinking of voting someone else than Sandy. Sydney agreed.
Spencer told us: “My first impression of Sandy was that she could be a liability in challenges but she proved today that; not so much. She did a great job. She’s really into this so why should we base it on first impressions and just get rid of her.”
Joe, Stephen and JT joined them and told her that Carolina had started giving orders, JT saying: “She’s more than welcome to take her ass up there and finish the shelter herself.”
Spencer had a good introduction which gave us a chance to get to know him and the way he intends to play the game but he seems to be outside the main alliance. It would be surprising to find him in early danger and he could profit from a tribal switch but he looks isolated. It didn’t help that we didn’t hear him talk during Tribal.

Stephen : His comment during the truck ride showed that he was already in game mode: “We have this old lady and it’s encouraging to have her because you know you won’t be the first to go.”
Stephen made a bad first impression on Sydney who voted against him.
He showed that he was aware of his predicament: “When I saw at least one good old fashioned Southern boy, I thought; I’m a little bit screwed. I don’t really see us connecting on too many levels. I don’t know how much he’s going to like the anxious New-York Jew.”
Although we didn’t get much from Stephen, we still got an introduction, some humor and some intelligence as we expected. He seems to have gotten himself into the alliance which was the main question regarding his prospects but his weak presence makes us wonder if he can last until the end.
JT : He had a confessional during the trek: “I’m from Alabama. I manage a black Angus cattle ranch. I’m in hot weather everyday so I’m accustomed to the weather and mosquitoes and things of that nature. I know I’m gonna be good at catching fish and I know I’m gonna be good at providing. But I know that puts me up in front of everybody else as a threat eventually. So, the biggest challenge for me is going to fit in with the people.”
JT took the lead during the trek.
Day 2 showed Jalapao building their shelter. As Sandy sat and watched and Carolina gave out directions, JT commented: “Things at camp are shaping up OK. We’ve got our shelter build now but we haven’t got our floor done. It’s gonna get better, we’re going to work on it a little more.”
Of note, JT was the fastest guy to the raft during the challenge. He was followed by Tyson, Spencer, Joe and Brendan. Coach and Jerry faded quickly and arrived last.
At tribal, JT told Jeff that they first voted out Sandy to make the tribe stronger.
JT was shown as the leader of Jalapao, the one who guided the trek, who led them in building the shelter, during the challenge and in pointing the vote at Carolina. He has told us what he plans to do to contend for the win but also how it can put a target on his back. We will need to see him provide for his tribe if we are to believe that he can live up to the first impressions he made. He will need to step up to help Jalapao avoid tribal council or else he could be the first target after the merge because he would have put himself in front of everybody else as a threat.

Jerry : He impressed Brendan who asked him what he did to stay in shape. Jerry played the comedian as he answered: “Eat potato chip and watch TV… I work out, I go to the gym.”
What he told us was: “I just got back from Afghanistan on a 12 month tour. I’m in the Army National Guard and I’m a First Sergeant. I have a hundred men under me and I know how to give orders. In Survivor, every body has their own individual mind so I’m going to try to keep it as low-key as I can. I don’t want to be in charge. If you’re in charge, you don’t last too long.”
Jerry wasn’t the immediate big character that he could have been but he did follow his plan by staying out of the lead. He should fit in well with the type of game that Coach wants to play. We should get an opportunity to know Jerry better.
Erinn : She had the opening confessional about Tyson: “Love him. He seems like a good guy to have around”.
As we heard, Tyson didn’t share the sentiment while Brendan voted to eliminate her immediately.
During the trek, Erinn had the first confessional for Timbira: “What the hell am I doing here? I’m a hair stylist. The last time I went camping, I was maybe in the 7th grade.”
Working with Brendan, the guy who had voted against her at the start, Erinn handled the table maze very well, winning it for Timbira.
Erinn has to fight some bad impressions she made on Brendan who voted against her at first and Tyson who saw her as a b*tch. Her confessional about being a hairstylist couldn’t have made a very strong impression on the viewers either. Her performance during the challenge however could have helped change that perception. It wasn’t underlined by the camera and we didn’t hear anyone praising her but I will be very interested to hear what Brendan, Tyson and Coach have to say about her in the next episode. Any positive comments would tell us that she will be the important player that her 2 early confessionals would indicate.

Coach : He was all business, first talking about Sierra: “I have an unfortunate feeling she’s going to crumble.”
Coach was the first person that Jeff addressed after the initial scramble. He gave his impressions of Timbira: “It seems we all knew what we were going to get. We got all the water, we got all the beans. We got every thing we needed.”
As Jeff explained the twist, Coach was smiling: “Game On! Let’s play hard right from the beginning. Let’s get rid of the weak players even before we start and this is going to set the tone for the whole time.”
Showing Sierra on screen as he spoke left little doubt where his vote was going.
During the trek, Coach told us: “I consider myself a renaissance man, an adventurer. I’m a University head soccer coach and, the polar opposite of that, is that I’m the conductor and artistic director of a symphony in Northern California. I’ve always been a leader, by inspiring and pulling out the best in everybody (Debbie shown on screen) because, like we know, a team is only good as its weakest player.”
He then told his plan to Brendan: ‘I want to change this game. It’s survival of the weakest, survival of the people that can’t survive in the wild. You and I can change this game by making the strong survive.”
They shook hands on this.
Coach’s confessional continued after this: “If we look back at our Ancestors, whether it be American Indians, the Norse Vikings or the samurai warriors, they prayed for an opponent that would be worthy enough to defeat them and die with glory and honor in battle.”
Arriving at their camp site after dark, Coach saw the job that Sierra had done with the shelter and commented: “Sierra, she is a great, sweet kid, she’s got a sweet spirit. She did do a lot of work and we appreciate that… but, you know, let’s face it; you can’t change what we did together as a tribe. It bonded all us and, unfortunately, Sierra wasn’t there. Obviously, I’m pushing for the strong to survive. So, I think that Sierra, even if she’s awesome, she’s gotta to go.”
Coach was the player that made the strongest impression and he wasn't shown as a complete arrogant bastard. The season should revolve around Coach’s plan to take out the weak players. Will he be successful or will he be blindsided? His alliance seems to include Brendan, Debbie, Jerry and Tyson. Are those 4 really on board? His confessional about the ancestors hoping to find an opponent worthy of defeating them leads me to believe that he will be successful: He will find someone that will beat him in the end!
Changes
A couple of players weren't exactly as we pictured them:
Tyson had a confessional about Erinn during the truck ride: “The younger Brunette, she comes off to me like being the b*tch.”
Tyson was with Sierra, Debbie and Candace at the lake when he decided to take some liberties. He commented: “Being from Utah, you’d think I’d be a shirt and tie, nerdy glasses but I’m probably not the stereotypical Mormon. (“He’s naked” laughed Sierra) “I’m probably more of a free spirit. Having somebody that could make you laugh in an environment like this where everybody is dirty and tired, I think people appreciate that.” (“It’s your show Tyson” said Sierra. Will it be? ) “But, when it comes down to it, I want that million dollars. Expensive furs on my shoulders, jewels on these pretty fingers, we’re talking Big Times! I’ll wear a tiara, a man-tiara. Do they make those?”
At the last moment, when Tyson was carrying the barrel of water out of the lake, we saw that Coach had been standing there all along. He was laughing but I wonder if he was impressed.
Maybe Tyson impressed Coach more at the challenge because, as Jeff said: “Tyson is really pulling the weight for Timbira…Tyson is taking a big heavy load for Timbira.”
Tyson surprised his tribe mates and the viewers with his atypical behavior but he also showed he’s a strong competitor. He could also surprise Coach by pulling the women to his side. Erinn said she loved him and Sierra found him hysterical. Will it be Tyson’s show as Sierra put it? I’d be surprised that the editors would have let us hear the trivial things that Tyson plans to do with the money if he were to win but it could be Tyson who decides which way the alliance flips.
Sierra : She got off to a rough start as she explained during the ride: “I’ve been sick. I’ve got some real bad tonsils. I’ve been trying to hide it so I don’t get voted off.”
She wasn’t successful as Coach noted and the tribe’s vote confirmed.
In tears, Sierra told Timbira: “I think I could have brought a lot to this team. I’m sorry, I have a fever but that’s your choice, fine by me.”
We never saw an expression of joy or relief from Sierra when the twist was announced. When Jeff scolded Sandy by saying: “Smiling is not what I’d be doing. I’d be thinking about: How do I start working to change an impression I have given these guys?” Sierra was seen deep in thoughts, apparently taking in the lesson.
Arriving at camp, Sierra said: “I’m here at Timbira alone because I was looked as a weakness and that’s really hurtful. They don’t know me at all. I bring a lot, a lot of good strengths to this.”
After reading the note, Sierra said: “People may look at this as a really stupid idea but I’m going to continue to build my camp. They say that first impressions are everlasting but, hopefully I will change their opinion of me. I could look for the immunity idol and protect my butt but my prerogative is to look good in the eyes of my crew. I mean, if you don’t redeem yourself, you’re pretty much in the doghouse for ever.”
The shelter that she built looked good because it drew praises from Jerry (“She built a lot”) and Coach but her task of redeeming herself wasn’t quite accomplished as we heard in Coach’s confessional.
As we went to Timbira at the start of day 2, we were accompanied by a light melody delivered by wind instruments while horses were running free in the savanna.
(Jalapao’s music was much tenser with percussive instruments and their scene was preceded by a flock a birds flying away as if something had scared them. It will be interesting to see if a pattern emerges)
Despite the upbeat music, Jerry told us that they were out of water.
It was Sierra who commented: “We’ve already emptied the water that we pulled off the truck so, me, Debbie and Tyson decided to go down and fill up our canteen.”
The scene was Tyson’s moment to make an impression but it really served to show that Sierra was, if not integrating, at least feeling better as she laughed at the naked Mormon.
The challenge was another opportunity for Sierra to impress her tribe. As Jeff said, she took the lead building the staircase puzzle. Her determination kept Timbira close and gave them a chance to win.
Sierra showed better than anyone else that you can fight to change the perception created by first impressions. It could be very telling that the camera didn’t show any sign of Sierra’s reaction when Jeff told Sandy and her that they weren’t eliminated. The viewers were left with an impression of determination rather than one of relief. It would be quite a story if she were to turn around that first vote into a victory but she still has a lot of work left to do before we consider her as a contender. At least, she has taken a step in the right direction.

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12. "RE: Episode #1: Editing Thoughts"

Sandy and Sierra made a bad first impression on the people on their respective tribes. They both needed to find a way to change their fates. Sandy decided to go with a short-term goal of finding the Hidden Immunity Idol. Not a bad idea, but if Carolina hadn't made herself too much of a good target Sandy would've been gone because she didn't do enough to change the bad first impression. I still think she's going home sooner rather than later because she chose a short-term effort to save herself rather than a long-term one.
Sierra took the long-term approach. She had a valid reason for her initial bad first impression: she was sick and thus was weak. But what did she do about it? She decided to build a shelter. She helped get water. She did a good job in the first Immunity Challenge. By doing the long-term approach, she has the chance to be a contender -- more of one than Sandy does. So Sierra will last longer than Sandy.
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13. "RE: Episode #1: Editing Thoughts"

LAST EDITED ON 02-17-09 AT 10:42 AM (EST)

Great assessments there, as always, michel! I concur with most of them, 100%. Definately agree with you too, Belle!
A nice new start, but they are playing on the first impressions with everything they've got....and the title to the show came from their "homerun" character, Coach...."Let's get rid of the weak ones before we even start"...
I tried to pay attention to who the camera focused on with the dialect...As michel noted, the first confessionals all revolved around impressions of others and in order they were by Erinn, Tyson, Stephen, Sandy, Sierra, and finally Ben, "Coach". As michel noted, the two targets had to be included among them, but I agree, there most likely are some end game players within them as well.
Jiffy noted, "Jalapao in red", while we see the camera zoom in on JT and Sydney, then, "Timbira in black", when we see Brendan and Erinn, then, "and although no one has spoken to each other", focus on Stephen, pan to Taj, "first impressions are already forming"...cut to Erinn and her first confessional, "Tall, spikey hair model boy, love him, he just seems like a good guy to have around...", then Tyson: "the younger brunette, she comes off to me as kinda being 'the biotch'...then we get confessionals from Stephen on Sandy, then Sandy comments on Stephen, then Sierra comments on her illness and trying to hide it...*note this was the only confessional that is different, it did not comment on a first impression of another, which I thought was noteworthy. Finally, the last confessional from Coach...
Then Jiffy talks..."They come from diferent walks of life...this group of survivors must learn to adapt", as Jiffy starts this sentence the camera pans over Carolina first, then Tyson, Joe, Candace, Spencer, while Debra and Ben are also seen in the background, then it continues over Sandy, Taj, JT, "or they will be voted out.(Camera now on Jiffy) In the end only one will remain to claim the million dollar prize, 39 days, 16 people, 1 survivor...", as the camera zooms out from the entire truck...

Then the truck stops and Jiffy calls out Coach first, and asks what did he notice about your tribe...Ben comments that they all seemed to know what to get, got all the water and all the beans, everything they needed...
Jiffy then calls on Spencer, did he notice that, Spencer shrugs and says, "we will be ok"...Jiffy comments on the very harsh and hot conditions, throws a map and compass to Sydney, then to Erinn and comments on the 4 hour trek.
Then we get to the first vote and immediately we see Sandy's reaction and then a confessional from Coach..."Game on, let's get rid of the weak before we even start..."
See Jalapao's votes: Joe: Granny, the older lady, Taj: Sandy, Sydney votes for "the guy with glasses and the peachy orange shirt, Stephen, Spencer: Sandy, Carolina: Older lady, Stephen: Older lady...she's out.
Sandy notes, "I am pissed! I am so pissed! Says, "one of the youngest ones will drop first, we'll see!"
Then the Timbira vote: Debra: Grey and Black t-shirt, Sienna, Ben: Zebra striped top, Sienna, Jiffy noted, "You looked shocked already", Sienna answers, "Yeah welll, I have strep throat, got it 3 days ago, I'm on antibiotics...so, "
Erinn: Sierra, sorry, Brendan: Purple ruffled top, Erinn, Candace: Blonde girl with black and grey striped shirt, James: Young lady, Sierra...
Jeff tells them their fate, and we see two completely different reactions from them...Sandy is celebratory while Sierra is crying and sad, Jeff reminds them, validates Sierra's reaction when he tells them that, "this is a game of social integration"...
Then the tribes are off and we get confessionals from:
Spencer: he's the youngest one...
JT: I'm 24 years old, I live and work in hot weather, I can handle everything, my challenge is going to be fitting in with people"...when we see a shot of Stephen on camera...
Then, we immediately get a confessional from Stephen, who says, "When I saw at least one good old fashioned southern boy, I thought I'm a little bit screwed, I don't really see us connecting on too many levels, I don't know how much he's gonna like the anxious, NY Jew..."
**with these two confessionals, back to back, I get the impression that they are both misdirection and that these two, the "good old fashioned southern boy", JT, and the "anxious, NY Jew", Stephen are going to form a major alliance in this game, and make a very strong bond, indeed.
Then, we see JT direct the tribe with the compass telling Joe to keep him lined up...then cut to Timbira...
Erinn, again with a first confessional from her tribe, "what the he!! am I doing out here, I'm a hair stylist, last time I went camping I was maybe in 7th grade..."
Then we have the conversation between Jerry and Brendan, I think that these two are going to be in a major alliance together as well...Brendan is impressed with Jerry and he asks him what he does to work out...Jerry comments, and then we have a confessional on Afghanistan and he "is gonna try to be as low key as he can, and I don't want to be in charge, if you are in charge, you don't last"...
Then, another confessional from Coach, when he tells us that he is the renaissance man...and that he is a Univ soccer coach and the polar opposite, symphony conductor...and how he can bring out the best in everybody, as we all know, the team is only as good as it's weakest player...
Then we have the interaction between Ben and Brendan, where Ben plants the seed..."I want to tell you something, it's survival of the weakest and I want to change this game...it's survivoal of people that can't survive in the wild. We can change this game by making it so only the strong survive...You and me, changing the game..." They shake on it...
We see the much hyped strategy be put into play right here...Coach is acting on his plan. I do think this will be a major theme in this series and thus leads me to presume that Coach will indeed be a major player, but, will he win???
**Remember we all pegged Ace to be an endgame player last season, and while he was a major "character", he didn't even make the merge...food for thought!
Brendan's reaction confessional: Coach, like right away, he said I want to tell you how I'm playing this game, this threw up a red flag, 1. is he lying?, 2. We are here to play and to win a game, and I don't think any of us wants a coach in that process"...I thought, smart response, smart player...
Then we see the two rejects on the helicopter, and how they react to the tree mail options...1. Sandy: Still pissed, crying, then "screw them", I am looking out for number one, me, as she proceeds futilly to find the idol. She came across as stupid to me...noting, "why do I want to waste energy trying to get in their good graces"...this, to me, spells her demise when Jeff told us this is a game of social integration...she directly goes against the key to the game...she's the next boot, imo...from Jalapao.
2. Sierra: takes a totally different route, noting this may be stupid, but I am going to try and make up for the first impression...something about trying to impress 'her crew'...she totally ignored the idol clue...I think this choice bodes extremely well for her, she is working very hard to change to ingratiate herself in her "crew"...I have HOPE for this character...despite her frail size and state....even despite all of the confessionals by coach regarding that the "little blonde is going to crumble, and the trek bonded all of us, even though she's awesome, she's gotta go!"
I get the impression that those two confessionals are blatant misdirection from Coach and that Sierra is going to last!
Then, we hear music and see a flock of birds overhead, and we come to camp life at Jalapao...JT comments on the progress of camp, we see Carolina bossing people around with the building of the shelter, then Sandy trucks off by herself, and they comment on her being "antisocial"...bodes poorly for her long game, imo.
Next, we hear happier, flutier, music, as I have associated with happy, SUCCESSFUL, tribes in the past, such as music associated with the Happy Chappy's or with the Favorite tribe in comparison to the Fans tribe...we see a group of wild horses frolicking and SIERRA gets the first confessional...she comments on how they have no more water, so, me, Debbie, and Tyson decided to go fill up the water", and then we get our intro to Tyson...
Tyson comments on that he's from Utah and a Mormon, but he's more of a "free spirit" as he proceeds to ask the girls if they mind if he takes off his drawers first as he collects water...then he continues, "Having someone that can make you laugh in an environment like this , where everyone is dirty and tired, I think people appreciate that....but, when it gets down to it, I want that million dollars; furs, jewels on my fingers, talking big time, I'll wear a tiara, a man tiara..."
So, Tyson gives us an important glimpse into himself and his strategy, but make no mistake, he is here for the million dollars....if you believe in million dollar quotes, this would be the one that I pick...and, I can see why Jiffy compared him to HATCH...
I like Tyson, and he is going to gain favor with the women, no doubt about it...
Next, we have the challenge, as Jiffy notes what it is, then says that they are playing for fire, see shot of James and Debbie, and more importantly for immunity, we see Taj blow a kiss to the idol...When Jeff says, "worth playing for?", we see Candace pumping her fist...
Challenge begins and we see the camera quickly focus on the leader, JT, then we see Carolina stumbling in the water...then, Joe and Spencer behind JT, and Tyson and Brendan reach the raft as well. More focus on struggling Carolina, Jerry is the last one to the rafts. Jiffy then calls Carolina out: "Carolina struggling to stay up" as she holds Sydney's hand coming back.
Jiffy: "Tyson really pulling the weight for Timbira", "Everybody must be across the line, start untying the planks, Joe heading back, Tyson taking a big heavy load, Tyson gets there first, Carolina, Sydney struggling". "Timbira has all of theirs, it's 120 degrees today", as the camera is on Carolina struggling carrying no planks over the hill. "Sandy/Taj calling shots for Jalapao, Erinn and Sierra not panicking, taking their time"...
"2 people nobody wanted are now leading their tribes, Jalapao increasing their lead, with last piece, Sandy and Taj give a huge lead...Sierra fighting hard to keep her tribe in it, Erinn and Brendan moving now quickly through the maze, working well together"
"Spencer and Sydney struggling a little bit, Timbira has erased the lead...even right now"....we see a worried look on Taj and Joe's faces.
"Timbira now with a bit of lead", we see Brendan and Erinn, "Very close, Brendan and Erinn can smell it...First challenge, first win is this close(focus on worried Carolina), Timbira WINS, (zoom in on Tyson, see Coach embrace Brendan, while whispering something in his ear...I feel as though Coach is trying to work his spell over Brendan....
Then we see a bummed, Spencer. Then Coach leads the cheer, "1,2,3...TIMBIRA" as they all throw their arms in the air!
Jeff throws the fire, flint to James, and gives the idol to Coach, see another shot of a disappointed Stephen, "Jalapao: Bad news for your tribe(focus on a crying Carolina), you have the afternoon to figure who it's gonna be...(then we see Sandy)
**Clearly the viewer is told with these shots that it will be one of Carolina or Sandy, imo. I highlighted in blue all of the times that the camera was on Carolina struggling, stumbling, or crying during the challenge...it's impressive!
Sydney, noted walking with Stephen, has a confessional about doesn't want to vote for Sandy, but doesn't know who else to vote for...Upon return to the HOT (Shot of the very hot, full sun) camp Jalapao, Carolina, again gets the first confessional here..."It was a heart-breaking challenge, but I'm voting for Sandy...", then we see her complaining about their projects to Stephen and Taj in the water. Then Taj calls Carolina out, and another responding confessional from Carolina...
Then Spencer is talking to Sydney, saying he doesn't want to vote out Sandy, she did well in the challenge, despite her 53 years of age..." Then Joe notes on her bossiness, and then Carolina apologizes to Sandy, Sandy in confessional as she heads off to hunt for the idol...again.
Tribal Council: First question to Sandy, recalling how pissed she was, then JT, then Sydney comments on how she kept going off by herself, and Jiffy asks Sandy another question regarding her actions...as Sandy explains herself, the camera focuses on Carolina...then "Carolina is it fair to vote out Sandy? Just because she's old?"...she notes that it's not fair, but...Carolina says her first impression of herself may be that she's bossier, came across more direct, whiney... as we see Spencer rolling his eyes to her response...Votes come next and Carolina is toast...
Jeff says, "2 things are very clear...1. You are willing to change your first impression, and 2. You are willing to blindside each other...Good news about coming to TC is that you get fire, tosses it to Taj...

So, my first impressions regarding who the major players will be in this game are Erinn, Brendan, Coach, Sierra, JT, Stephen, and perhaps Jerry. ETA: TYSON, can't believe that I forgot him... Hidden in this episode, as Michel noted, were Candace and Debbie. I think that Spencer and Taj may be narrators for the Jalapao's, but I don't get a feel for the narrator at Timbira, yet...
I definately have the impression that Timbira is the stronger tribe with more substance...it started at the beginning when they got all of the water and beans, and they "worked well together" to win the challenge. They seem to be more compatible, and more structured...Jalapao's seem at odds...
If I had to pick one from each tribe that is most likely to get voted out early, it would be "Psycho Sandy" and Candace/Debbie...

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02-16-09, 11:22 PM (EST)

14. "RE: Episode #1: Comments"

LAST EDITED ON 02-16-09 AT 11:23 PM (EST)
I really liked your thoughts on the episode, FP. It's even more amazing to note how much Jeff told us that Carolina was struggling when you look at the overhead shot that we have right after JT hits the water: Carolina is the first woman to the water! The trip back was harder but she still kept up to the last of Timbira. She wasn't that bad.
Regarding Timbira's narrator, I believe it will be Coach. The whole season could revolve around this question: Does Coach die at the hands of a worthy opponent or to one he deemed unworthy?
If he finds that worthy opponent, it would probably be either Jerry (the modern day warrior) or Brendan (unless someone from Jalapeno surprises him with their strength).
If it's someone he deemed unworthy, keep an eye on Sierra first but also Erinn (although most of Jalapeno would fit in his eyes right now since they were too dumb to carry water and beans).
If that's the story of the season, it will be interesting to note what will be the first impressions Coach gives us of Erinn, Tyson and Debbie, none of which he commented in episode #1.

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02-17-09, 09:14 AM (EST)

15. "Episode One Editing"

With advance apologies for "copying" anyone. I will be posting after this with my "well done" on the wonderful insights I have read and am happy to see this season may have brought people in here to post with me
Jeff indicates first impressions are already forming...... (to be determined if how much of this season encompasses this theme; I will say that Jeff did state first impressions go “a long way in this game”) What the audience needs to determine is whether OUR first impressions help determine the longevity of the contestants or are the impressions of the contestants of each other the factor in their longevity.
Erin on Tyson “Seems like a good guy to have around”
Tyson on Erin “She comes off to me as being the b---h”
One item to note here that there is always a heavy hand in splicing/dicing confessionals. It appears that Erin’s words are spliced together as the voice over is a physical description of Tyson, i.e. doesn’t know him yet however in her confessional we see she loves him and is a good guy to have around which may be a later confessional when they already got to know each other. In a similar vein, Tyson’s words may solely be a confessional prior to any new opinion he may have after he got to know Erin. Thus, one may ask why the manipulation of advising the audience that Erin is a b----h when most likely this is something Tyson stated before they might have even got to camp and why the audience is meant to see Erin forming a “first” impression of Tyson skewing positive when in reality, this is probably after she got to know him. Since this episode did not focus a heavy hand on either of them, their characters may be impressed upon us to see their development further down the road.
Stephen on Sandy “We have the strung out old lady; encouraging to know that we have her because you know you are not going to be the first to go”
Sandy on Stephen “The real tall boy, I think he is like a geek; I should be able to lead him around real easily”
Note that both Sandy and Stephen have their buffs on and both confessionals were shown in their entirety (no voice overs) so there does not appear to be to much manipulation done. However, Stephen’s opinion did serve as a plot point for this episode since Sandy was heavily featured. Sandy’s deduction about Stephen is interesting though because there was no real focus in this episode on that opinion so this may serve as an upcoming story
Sierra on herself “I’ve been sick... trying to hide it so I don’t get voted out”
Ben on Sierra “This blonde. I have an unfortunate feeling she’s going to crumble”
Sierra is standing at their water line (as shown later when she is alone at camp) with a portion of her confessional in voice over which may suggest some splicing. This confessional is the here and now for this episode since it was a plot point for the first episode. Note that Ben refers to Sierra as “this blonde” and we know that he learns her name immediately when the tribes all do the voting so this confessional was immediate and literally was a first impression predating what she did later on in the episode so for lack of any other insight, I would suggest that both Ben’s and Sierra’s confessionals really served as immediate plot points however this is not to say that Ben’s confessional was not chosen specifically for the editors’ own reasoning.
At this initial juncture, two of the four were featured heavily in the initial storylines and therefore it would be remiss for the editors to not showcase them (Sandy and Sierra) Both confessionals involving them (Sierra about herself and Stephen about Sandy) were directly related to their vulnerability. Erin, Tyson, Stephen and Ben were not of any concern to be voted out in this episode but were chosen to be spokespersons and the first three were also talked about so they are on my back burner.
The initial discussion by Jeff on the truck was uneventful except for the slightly longer camera shot of Ben when Jeff named their tribe “in black” (perhaps just a slight color identity since Ben is, after all, wearing all black)
Ben “Seemed like we all knew what we were going to get... we got everything we needed”
(In response to Jeff calling out the red tribe for not grabbing water or beans..)
Spencer “Yeah. We’ll be alright.”
Upon the twist:
Ben “Game on. Let’s get rid of the weak players even before we start... this is going to set the tone...” (Ben is already in Survivor mode so this is a post event confessional to make a nice sound bite and perhaps reflect some foreshadowing and even may end up being a very ironic statement)
Sandy is not happy with the majority vote “You’ll see who can handle the heat”
Sierra seems a bit surprised after the first votes and advises she has been sick and a bit emotional and angry upon questioning “If that’s your choice, fine by me.”
(Of note, Stephen and Erin both received at least one vote)
Sandy’s attitude was visually felt with a group shot of her celebrating that she does not make the four hour walk and Jeff: “This is a game about social integration” (perhaps in this season this aspect of the game is a main factor in the outcome)
Tribal Trek
Spencer advises he believes he is the youngest contestant and obsessed with the show along with describing the walk
JT advises he knows what he can contribute but it could put him out there as a threat and fitting in with other people
Stephen’s concern with the other boys is not connecting since he is the anxious New York Jew. (He is placed in the same area as when he spoke about Sandy)
Three male perspectives with only a blurb from Taj about her wanting to lose baby weight. JT and Stephen’s confessionals provided a bit more “meat” than Spencer’s as well.
The other tribe’s trek showcased:
Erin advising her being out of her element (she is placed in the same area as when she spoke about Tyson)
Jerry advises he is going to try and be low key because if you are in charge, you won’t last which interestingly goes to.....
Ben describes himself in detail and that he has always been a leader and that a team is only as good as its weakest player (He is placed in the same area when he spoke about Sierra and his confessional about her seems to be a natural progression from discussing “weakest player”) He also mentions our ancestors “prayed for an opponent that was worthy enough to defeat them and died with honor and glory in the battle." (Interesting statement accompanied by very unique music - one may wonder if this Renaissance man finds a “worthy opponent” who ends up besting him)
Ben is then immediately shown telling Brendan he wants to “change the game” by “making the strong survive” (More of his confessional shown)
Brendan advises this throws up a “red flag” as to whether Ben is lying and “nobody wants a coach in that process” (This confessional was done half in voice over and sounded distinctly from two different times)
Three men and one female are shown during this trek and there was quite a bit coming from this trek. We have already been “teased” with a potential storyline that was not a plot point for this episode. Thus, the conversation and confessionals by Ben and Brendan would appear very important for an upcoming storyline and possibly a long term storyline. Jerry gave us his insight on how he plans on approaching this game and while Erin’s confessional was a bit more static, she was the only female heard from so the editors may be attempting for us to remember her since she was also picked as someone to be described at the onset of the show.
The Outcasts
Sandy is shown again mulling over what happened and she is going to show them what she is made of. While Sandy’s entire edit this episode did not bode entirely positive (not setting up camp as an example) there was an effort to temper a completely negative characterization. Her tears and soft music certainly could have been omitted should the editing wanted Sandy to be completely negative. This does not necessarily suggest longevity but the editors did want to round her out somewhat especially since she ended up NOT leaving. The first episode had to feature Sandy heavily so this is no indication of her longevity. Future episodes (if she survives) will tell better.
Sandy, however, chose to “look out for number one” and did not redeem herself by helping set up camp.
Sierra on the other hand did not like being perceived as a weakness to her tribe but “they don’t know me at all” (Note this area of confessional is the same spot where she told us originally she was sick) She continues the first episode theme “They say that first impressions are everlasting but hopefully I’ll change their opinion of me....”
The two scenes obviously are meant to set up a direct contrast in how two people playing a very social game chose to change or not change impressions made about them. I’m not entirely sure there was any heavy manipulation done for either of these two. Obviously Sandy is quite a “character” and any time the editors can invest her they will. I personally am not looking extremely hard at these two scenes; they had to be shown and the two contestants were required to be shown as well
The next scene when Sandy greets her tribe is continuation of her knowledge of where she stands and that she has to find the idol - this may be a storyline for her and could possibly be the only story line she has - if she doesn’t find it, she will be voted out. We may see her up against Stephen as a potential boot if only because they were both heard speaking about each other at the beginning of the episode. Carolina was shown emphasizing the issue of Sandy not contributing while they were coming to camp. JT obviously knew what he was doing as well in leading them to their camp since they got there well before the other tribe arrived to their camp.
Sierra is shown greeting her tribe mates and proved herself by building the shelter. She was self deprecating and advised she understood why they voted her. Once again, we hear from Ben:
Ben “She’s a sweet spirit; she did do a lot of work and we appreciate it but let’s face it you can’t change what we did as a tribe....obviously I am pushing for the “strong to survive.” I think Sierra is awesome but she’s got to go”
As they did not go to Tribal Council, we may be establishing a possible plot point for the time they do go to Tribal Council - there may be enough red herring that Sierra will end up surviving that Tribal Council. Additionally, “first impressions” may not be the only “theme” evoked this season but also Ben’s cry of “strong to survive” creed. Time will tell if this proves to be prophecy or irony. Ben has been heavily featured and may prove to have a huge impact in how this game progresses even if he ultimately gets taken down by a “worthy opponent”
The First Day Together
JT is given another confessional about setting up camp as a bit of tension is already brewing with Carolina discussing how she sees the day should go. Sydney is given a brief showing on screen. Carolina then gives us some insight into her personality which helps set the stage for the ending.
Sandy is given more air time searching for the idol and again, how can any editor ignore Sandy attempting to find an idol when she doesn’t know what a pace is and we know she won’t give up looking for that idol (reference for more storyline perhaps)
Sierra is given a confessional that she, Debbie and Tyson went down to the water (Candace is inserted in the scene laughing when Tyson asked about shedding his underwear - who does this help? Probably Tyson especially since moments later she does not appear to be wearing the suit jacket she had on when shown laughing)
Tyson “...I’m probably not the stereotypical Mormon....I’m probably more of a free spirit... Having somebody who can make you laugh... I think people appreciate that”
Sierra “It’s your show Tyson”
Tyson “But when it comes down to it, I want that million dollars, exotic expensive furs, jewels on these pretty fingers... I’ll wear a tiara, a man tiara. Do they make those?”
(Ben is also shown at the end of the scene laughing with Sierra and Debbie over Tyson’s antics)
Interesting scene. Obviously a nice one for the camera -“naked Survivor” usually gets camera time and since this tribe did not go to Tribal Council, we did not really need any true build up as to who is in immediate danger but the editors spent all their time on this scene prior to the challenge. This scene was also filled with some potential nuggets though and I am filing this away to mull over later. Tyson discusses a strategy and his quest for the million dollars. He is shown succeeding in how he wants to approach his game and Sierra’s “It’s your show Tyson” has a hint of possible foreshadowing. Tyson was given a confessional at the beginning of the show and was talked about by another (Erin) who gave positive feedback. Tyson appears to have some legs in this game and it would not surprise me even this early on if he is at end game.
The Challenge
Taj and Sandy are chosen to build the staircase and Sierra and Erin for their tribe (a nice choice since Sandy and Sierra are “related” in light of how the show began)
JT is ahead of the pack (a nice nod)
...and Carolina is discreetly shown muddling through the water on two occasions despite the fact that Sydney is just behind her. Lest anyone believe camera shots are not important in this show, the visual focus was on Carolina. To compound matters Jeff in voice over “Carolina struggling to stay up” despite the fact that Sydney and Carolina are holding hands and Sydney looks equally exhausted.
Tyson really pulling away.... (another nice nod)
Joe heads back (twice shown with a female member calling out “Come on Joe!”)
Tyson taking a big heavy load (complete with a female member calling out “Nice job Tyson!”)
Carolina, Sydney struggling (finally someone else is mentioned alas however, Carolina is then honed in on with the camera)
Sandy is very enthusiastic in her stair building as Erin and Sierra are keeping calm, taking their time.” Sandy calling the shots with Jeff then advising “The two people nobody wanted are leading their tribe.” Sandy and Taj give their tribe a “huge lead”
Sierra fighting hard to keep her tribe in it”
Spencer and Sydney struggle and Erin and Brendan are moving as they work the puzzles
Sydney “Tribal Council is the one thing I was dreading. I don’t want to vote for Sandy. She worked her a-- off at the challenge....” (Confessional obviously done later at camp to help set up the ending and perhaps to give Sydney a bit of air time as anyone can get chosen for this type of confessional)
Build Up For Tribal Council
Per the norm, scenes are shown to facilitate the dynamics at Tribal Council. Carolina, and Taj are shown in the water with Taj giving Carolina a piece of her mind as the others are around and watching (although the scene is a bit curious as first Sandy, Carolina and Taj are shown then the whole group then just Sandy, Carolina and Taj again with Taj specifically stating she was pulling Carolina aside. Taj rounds this out with an appropriate confessional as well as Carolina)
The group is shown discussing the situation as Spencer gives Sandy props at the challenge to Sydney
Spencer “My first impression of Sandy is that she may be a liability.... but she proved today, not so much... she’s really into this... why based on first impressions should we get rid of her, for no other reason” (In true Survivor fashion, no doubt this was a perfect confessional and chosen specifically to help further the “first impression” story for this particular episode)
Joe is shown telling them how Carolina immediately discussed what needs to be done around camp as JT furthers the discussion with a very unhappy response about Carolina. This discussion also involved Spencer and Stephen.
Joe “Between Carolina and Sandy, it’s kind of a tricky decision being that it is close as to how they’ll perform in future challenges...” (Why is Sydney not noted for her lack of performance?) “The first option is Sandy, based on how old she is” (This was done in voice over and not done at the time of his first shown confessional since he is shown in a different location finishing the confessional as he discusses Carolina and her bossiness)
Sandy and Carolina share a moment with Carolina stating: “I just wish we didn’t lose so you didn’t have to go home” (A little fun for the audience perhaps to show this was a “blindside”)
Sandy “I’m glad I’m here today and I’m hoping I’ll be here tomorrow”
Sandy gets a bit more “find the idol” scene complete with touching music - to each his/her own on opinions of Sandy, the editing does want us to find her endearing in her bumbling way.
Tribal Council
Sandy tells us she has her heart in this game and wants to stay
JT advised they didn’t know what to expect when coming to meet Sandy at camp
Sydney states Sandy greeted them with open arms but did not do much at camp and went off by herself
Sandy advises she needed to collect her thoughts to come back positive and she can’t change the older lady perception and acknowledges she is a bit crazy
Carolina felt their vote for Sandy was not necessarily fair but it was smart and admits to her own shortcomings.
Sandy and Carolina’s votes are shown and Jeff makes it known that “You are willing to change your first impressions and your willing to blindside each other” (more to come?)
I can at least understand Jeff’s pre show statement that there are likeable people in this cast. Whether one ends up winning remains to be seen. At first glance, those who received their “air time” confessionals may need to be looked at closer such as Erin, Tyson, Stephen, Sandy, Seirra, Ben. Spencer, JT and Stephen received tribe confessionals with Erin, Brendan, Jerry and Ben getting first tribe confessionals. I would not necessarily put a lot of stock and this point with Sandy and Sierra based entirely on their confessionals since it was a main plot point of this episode. However, one can’t discount them either; I do believe that Sandy and Sierra may still be part and parcel to making up for initial impressions in a short term story. Ben is obviously integral to the development of this season whether he emerges victorious or not. He set a future story line up with his notion on how this game should be played although that does not necessarily mean he, himself, will be the hero of his own story but rather, perhaps taken down in battle by a worthy opponent. Brendan was inserted in this idea of Ben's so Brendan may be integral to this particular plotline. Erin may be one female who has legs as she was featured for unnecessary reasons especially in light of how little the females as a whole were underdeveloped (i.e. Debbie, Candace with Sydney and Taj getting brief screen time and only time can tell if Sierra and Sandy were merely highlighted due to the predicament they were in) Jerry and JT gave us an idea on who they are and their thoughts on playing this game and Spencer was featured in some confessionals albiet somewhat of a “fluff” nature. Tyson nags at me greatly - he received an impression formed about him and also gave us insight on who he is and how he wants to play this game as well as his desire for the money. Sierra’s “It’s your show” is a satisfying “nod” to Tyson should one look at statements made that can provide possible victorious foreshadowing especially involving a contestant that has no reason to be featured. With nothing other than “first impressions” I do like Tyson’s showing.

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02-17-09, 12:27 PM (EST)

17. "RE: Episode One Editing"

Since First Impressions was the theme for the first episode. I thought I'd share my first impressions of the Survivors, based on what I saw and how I felt. Also who I remember. There are people who made no impression on me whatsover.
Those who did:
Sandy - Her decision to look for the idol rather than work on camp was correct. She knew she is going to go early because of her age. They've already told her that. She's got one clue, and an opportunity to find the next/the idol and save herself. She shone at the challenge so she proved valuable to the tribe where it counts - challenge day. Jeff labeled her as crazy. The tribe noted she goes off alone. She seems like an eccentric older woman who holds her own when it counts.
Coach - I was surprised at the negative edit he got. People were shown talking about him, and it wasn't to embrace his theories about how to play the game, but to question why is this guy telling me his gameplan. His arrogance shone through on the hike and in camp. He wasn't very good on the challenge. In his confessionals, he sounded condescending but not in the Brian "business trip" mode. He told us how he brings the best out in people but we saw nothing to illustrate that. We saw someone say basically the opposite of that. His physical strength and personality will probably carry him awhile, but I'd question whether any allies he draws really buy into his desire to change the game or whether they are using him.
Tyson - Jeff told us he is a villian but so far he has been shown to be valuable in challenges and around camp. People are drawn to him. I felt positively about him, and had I not read that Jeff called him a villian, I'd not thought that about him at all.
Sierra - offered too much negative information about herself. Her choice to build the camp didn't really do much for her in terms of how her teammates talked about that.
Impression of the tribes is that they are not evenly matched in terms of physical strength. I look forward to seeing how this unfolds. I'm going to watch it again before Thursday. I am curious to see if the picture we are given of some of them by Jeff pre-game actually begins to come into focus.

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02-18-09, 08:54 PM (EST)

20. "RE: Episode One Editing"

Note that both Sandy and Stephen have their buffs on and both confessionals were shown in their entirety (no voice overs) so there does not appear to be to much manipulation done.
Actually, they were all wearing their buffs on the truck, so they all knew who was on their tribe. It's really picky, I know, but ...shrug ... and wink. I originally came to Blows because of a link to this thread, and was a lurker for a couple seasons. So I greatly appreciate your insights VS.

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02-17-09, 12:20 PM (EST)

16. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

I'm with y'all on the editing and playing analysis. I think the editors are sort of locked in to the routine of this soap opera now, and don't come up with any really amazing new ways to show us the same old stories.

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02-18-09, 07:51 PM (EST)

18. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

I just want to say that this is my absolute favorite thread, and especially Veruca's keen editing insight. Your observations for the long term story help make connections for me that I would not have ever thought of, like:
Sandy’s attitude was visually felt with a group shot of her celebrating that she does not make the four hour walk and Jeff: “This is a game about social integration” (perhaps in this season this aspect of the game is a main factor in the outcome)
Thanks everybody for your posts. It really makes watching the show so much more enjoyable.

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02-18-09, 08:45 PM (EST)

19. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Every season JP highlights certain characters as his favorites, or others who he expects to be ‘good tv’ . Last season he promoted the good vs. evil, and for reasons I never understood he cast Marcus and Charlie as the evil. This season he has chosen Coach as his favorite. But I question Coach’s worthiness for all this acclaim.
In the break during their trek to their camp Coach tells Brandon how he expects to change the game. JP likes this, and I can’t say I’m in total disagreement, but will it happen? I don’t see it happening.
Coach continues with his statement about the American Indians, the Norse Vikings and the Samari and how they would pray that a worthy opponent would defeat them so they could be carried on their shields. My first reaction to that was he expected his tribe-mates to sacrifice themselves so he could win this game. That seems unlikely.
Moreover, Coach tells us he is a university head soccer coach and the conductor and artistic director of a symphony. This tells me he likes to tell people what to do, rather than do it himself. He says that he is a leader by inspiring people, pulling the best out of them. These people are not there to be inspired, or lead, they are there to win a game, or at least have a great adventure.
Responding to his desire to change the game, Brandon said, in a confessional, “Coach, right away he came in and said; “I want to tell you how I’m playing this game.” That throws up a red flag, like 1: Is he lying? And 2: We’re here to play and win a game and I don’t think any of us wants a coach in that process.”
Like Michel, I immediately noticed a change in the sound of the last part of that confessional.
I commented elsewhere that Coach was manning the compass on there journey to their camp and how they arrived many hours later than Jalapoa. So late that I believe they needed help – a flashlight at the very least, and perhaps production helped them.
I’m not completely opposed to Coach, he talked about the team bonding during the trek, and that happens. He is also shown in a video clip on CBS talking to Sierra … let’s say inspiring Sierra. I connect with that compassion.
In the challenge JT is clearly the dominant physical performer, being far ahead of everyone else to the rafts. In Coach’s plan that should mean that if they both make it to merge, then JT is a sure thing for F4. Second to the rafts is Tyson. Joe and Spencer arrive 3rd and 4th, with Brandon a close 5th. The next 4 are Sydney, Candace, then probably Coach and Carolina (it was a photo finish) Sarge was last. In other words Coach was behind Candace – giving some credence to Candace’s criticism of Coach’s physical performance. While pulling the second raft out of the water, Tyson and Brandon are the work horses with help from Candace, while Coach and Sarge walk in the water behind.
Carrying the boards we see Tyson carrying 4 and arriving first. Joe has 2, and seemed to be in the lead at the start. Tyson has stepped out as a clear physical threat. We also see Carolina and Sydney attempting to carry 4 steps between them, although JT comes and helps while the girls seem completely fatigued. Meanwhile Coach and Sarge are sharing 3 boards, and at one time were trailing Carolina and Sydney. The last two shown to arrive are Coach with one board and Sarge with 2. The last 2 Timbira up the stairs are … yup, Coach and Sarge, although that could be a 'gentlemanly' thing
If Coach believes the strongest should survive, he wont be among them.

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02-18-09, 09:50 PM (EST)

21. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

This is my favorite thread to visit late in the week to see what everyone is thinking. Great job, as always.
Did anyone notice the almost mocking, comical porn music in the background when Tyson was nekkid in the water?

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02-19-09, 01:37 PM (EST)

22. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

flystorms - I also like visiting late in the week also. It seems I've been posting rather late also I did not pay attention to the music during that scene; I'm glad you did. The music is very important in setting the tone for the scene. How often have we heard that "jokey" music to make someone appear ridiculous or that omnious music to reflect something is going to happen or the player is going to do something "evil" (in terms of Survivor)
sol - I like your assessment of Coach. There are always “characters” that the editing loves to highlight and he is definitely one of them. I do believe he may be central to the development of the season and his “strong to survive” creed may be relevant (again may be prophetic or irony) and as long as he is on, he will serve the audience with a lot of screen time but I agree with you at this time, he does not appear to be someone I consider victorious but he may fall victim to a worthy opponent. And you can be as picky as you like sol I think I meant more in terms of there not being any true manipulation of their confessionals, i.e. voice overs spliced in or two separate confessionals pieced together. However, I am so wordy that I barely remember sometimes why I jotted something down after watching lol.
jobgirl - I do hope we can see more of you in here with your insights as well. Viewing this show provides such an array of opinions - it amazes me how 10 people can watch one scene and someone takes away something different from it
mysticjay - First impressions was obviously prevalent (at least for the time being) so I’m glad to hear yours. Quite frankly, I agree with you about Sandy’s decision; the question I have is regardless that perhaps you and I logically believe it was probably the right decision.... how did the editing present her decision? I agree also that Jeff’s commentary about Tyson has not been made evident to the audience yet - it will be interesting to see (in light of the favorable impression he received from Erin) whether he proves her wrong
fp - I like how you viewed the episode to give you an idea of alliances forming. Like animal imagery, I don’t get involved in that type of watching so your assessments on budding alliances is definitely something to keep an eye on; I hope you continue doing that. I see you and I had the same thinking in how Tyson was presented as well
Belle Book - Very nice way of assessing Sierra and Sandy’s decision as short term vs. long term. I love using those terms with respect to the players themselves and how interesting it would be if their long or short term goal/approach correlates them to being short or long term players
CT - I agree. Any journey with Benjamin is probably going to be quite amusing With Jeff’s statement at the end of Tribal Council, we may certainly be in for quite a few blindsides - it appears that may be the new way to vote someone out
michel - thank you for your first impressions of each contestant and potential questions for their future survival and I agree that the impressions made are for not just each other but the viewers as well.
Pepe, LFJ, mattben, suzzee, thank you for your earlier pre-show replies. I’d love to hear from you about what you thought of the show itself. I hope I am pleasantly surprised after tonight’s episode and see what you think after your initial pre-show thoughts
Enjoy the show tonight

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02-21-09, 08:22 PM (EST)

23. "Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts:"

The recap told us that, based solely on first impressions, the tribes believed they were voting out one of their own (Only the votes from Coach and Stephen were shown) but that the game wasn’t over for Sandy and Sierra. They were flown to camp, leaving their unhappy tribe mates to walk for hours.
Instead of searching for the idol, Sierra decided to win over the Timbira tribe with hard work, which might have succeeded...(Coach’s confessional shown) Or not.
Sandy searched for the idol and came up short, putting her in danger… Sandy was in deep trouble but Carolina’s bossiness made for a surprise decision. Sandy narrowly escaped. Can she survive another week?
It was interesting that the word alliance was absent from the first two episodes It was as if, after the players formed their First Impressions, this episode gave us the natural follow-up: Some people clicked and formed pairs, others were left on their own.
The Loners:
Sandy:
Sandy gave us her impressions of Tribal: “I made it through tribal council by a landslide. I think Carolina played her cards terribly wrong so she’s kept me in this game so far. I believe I’m underestimated in this game. I wanna win this thing. As long as I’m here, I can win it.”
We saw her hugging JT, thanking the whole tribe for keeping her. JT answered that they did what was best for the team but Spencer told us she wasn’t safe yet.
Sandy showed her strength in the challenge, grabbing Erinn by her bikini top and not letting go. Nothing was made of her efforts back at camp. Jeff only said that Sandy and Erinn were tied up at the other end.
After the challenge, Sandy spoke for Jalapao, sending Brendan to exile.
Sandy was also the one that led the Jalapao cheer as they returned to camp.
Sandy commented: “To be the winning tribe feels phenomenal. If we had loss immunity, there was probably a 50 percent chance of me going home but we won and I’m here for several more days. ”

Some of Sandy’s isolation seemed force fed to us to reinforce the impression that she is in a precarious position. In two consecutive challenges, she has done her job with surprising results yet nothing was made of it. Someone in the tribe must have found her useful if only to count on an extra vote but all we heard was that she was the next to go. In survivor, that means she won’t be the next one voted out in Jalapao. I’ll venture a guess that she will be here for several more days as we heard her say. Can she make the merge? She’s one of the few from Jalapao that has a storyline that looks to the future so the odds are getting better that she makes it.
Joe:
As day 4 started in Jalapao, Joe told us that: “We need protein in a bad way right now.”
“I don’t know if the whole tribe is up for it but we’re going to eat termites.”
Joe knocked over a termite mound and the snack started.
Joe’s isolation is of a different nature than Sandy’s. It’s as if Joe hasn’t made an impression on anyone yet! His story is being ignored by the editors. Considering that both Carolina’s and Candace’s stories were reduced to the point that all we heard was used to explain why they were voted out, it doesn’t look good for Joe.
The Pairs:
Spencer and Sydney:
The episode started with Sydney saying that tribal was very hard.
Spencer had a confessional: “Now that Carolina is out, we all pretty much agreed that she just swapped places with Sandy. Sandy was going to be first and Carolina after that. Now, Carolina was out first, Sandy will be after that.”
Spencer had another confessional after discovering the termite mound: “I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve been deprived of food for a long period of time. I’m a teenager so I’m used to comfort food at home where, if I’m hungry, I can eat whenever I want. Out here, if I want to snack, I’m going to have to go find something.”
Sandy wasn’t much happier with the food situation: “I didn’t try the worm. After I saw Stephen’s face, blah! I mean, I’ll eat one at a challenge if I need to but not in real life.”
Informed about Taj’s secret, Spencer told us: “It’s a pretty big deal to be on a tribe in Survivor with Eddie George’s wife.”
Sydney was, with Taj, probably the player most responsible for Jalapao’s win; she scored one goal and she was the one that held up Tyson in the final round, leaving Stephen with the ball and only Sierra to stop him. Nothing was made of her success which doesn’t bode well for her.

Still, the challenge win was an occasion to rejoice. Spencer gave us a confessional: “Today we won immunity and fishing gear…So, we’re looking forward to spending a day, without tribal council, going to try and find some fish.”
These two could be called loners but I grouped them in a pair because we had seen them together a few times last week and their comments this week mirrored each other. They both narrated the events in Jalapao but gave us nothing about their thoughts on the game. Narrators usually make the merge but, because Sydney’s role as narrator is so limited, I’d expect that only Spencer will make it. It would be ironic if, after telling us that Sandy would be the next one out, Spencer saw his narrating partner exit before the crazy old woman!
The Odd Couples
Jerry and Tyson:
To reinforce our first impression that Tyson intends to use trickery to win this game, his first scene showed that he can fool others even in small matters:
Candace was dreaming of eating sea bass with lime juice.
Tyson told her: “We could find most of that stuff here.”
Candace hopefully asked: “Are you serious?”
Tyson countered: “No. I lied straight to your face and you ate it up.”
Tyson was Timbira’s best challenge player, scoring one goal and causing the turnover in the first round that led to the score by Candace. However, in the crucial final round, he let Sydney tie him up when he could have easily gotten rid of her.
After the challenge loss, even if he failed to help Sierra defend against Stephen’s winning shot, Tyson gave us a confessional: “Our tribe is going to tribal council so we’re going to have to pick somebody out. Sierra’s probably the one to go. She didn’t make the trek with us at the beginning. I mean she’s trying but it looks like she’s numero uno on the chopping block.”
Tyson and Jerry were often connected by camera shots showing them sharing glances and smiles as the tribe discussed the plan of voting out Sierra.
Later, they did join to discuss voting out Candace, Jerry agreeing that the thought of eliminating Candace had crossed his mind.
Tyson had a confessional: “Coach, he wants to get rid of Candace. I didn’t necessarily think it was right. In the challenge yesterday, as hard as Sierra played, I think she’s just too small for something like that. Every time I saw her, she was trying her hardest but somebody was holding her down. I think there is going to be some challenges that would suit Candace better than they would Sierra.”
Tyson and Jerry agreed they needed to keep the strongest, happiest tribe they could.
As events were unfolding before Tribal, we had a great scene of Tyson and Jerry sitting in the shelter as if on their couch back home, watching along with the rest of us!
They were laughing at the “mad shadiness” going around the tribe.
Jerry jokingly commented: “Things are heating up a little bit.”
Tyson, laughing, agreed: “Definitely.”
Jerry (as if speaking about us) added: “Everybody trying to figure it out”
Tyson pointed: “And this is just the beginning.”
Jerry agreed: “I know it!”
Are Jerry and Tyson Observers or Spectators? The difference between the two will tell us their fate in the game. Observing others is a powerful tool in this game but only watching the actions means you are a tool to others. That last scene before Tribal definitely made them spectators as did the fact that we didn’t hear them making the decision between Sierra and Candace. We’ll need to hear more about their plans to consider them Observers.
This odd couple will probably make the merge because, as Jerry said, they have gained the trust of over half their group and they have been presented as fun characters up to now. Can they be there at end game and win it all? I have a little more hope for Tyson because his story has received more care up to now.
Stephen and JT:
Stephen first showed us he wasn’t on the same wavelength as his tribe: “I absolutely have no idea who Eddie George is. So, while everybody around me is freaking out, I’m feeling like I’m an absolute idiot.”
JT knew what it meant: “I have a completely different outlook from Taj… She’s probably got a lot more money than I do. I hate to judge by how much money they have but I definitely know that I need the million dollars more than Taj.”
JT’s strength was shown in the challenge when Jeff pointed to his “big take-down” on Tyson.
JT’s leadership was shown when he told his tribe how to catch fish.
Stephen told us what he thought of the cattle farmer: “JT has definitely emerged as our tribe leader and, honestly, I am thrilled to be out here with him. He’s like no one I would have ever met back at home and I think we are getting to know each other which is sort of surprising because he is the Alabama country boy, he’s Tom Sawyer and I am the angsty city boy. He might be seducing me with his pretty country ways but I’m smitten.”
After showing Stephen how to tie a fishing hook, JT commented: “Stephen and I come from different walks of life.”
(Just then, Stephen was seen popping out of the water, his mask making him look like a nerd with really huge glasses!)
JT’s confessional went on: “We get along really well. We have a good friendship.”
Stephen concluded by telling us: “We had more luck in seeing fish than in catching the fish but I think our fishing trip was successful in cementing our friendship. I know that it makes me look like his goofy, awkward right hand man but if he thinks I’m the goofy awkward right hand man, he’s going to want to keep me around longer.”
This other odd couple should make the merge. They are the only ones in Jalapao with a story that looks positively to the future. JT is already working on his goal of being seen as important for the tribe’s survival. His leadership wasn’t contested; instead it was applauded by his friend while the others followed his lead. Because Stephen was the one to praise JT, calling him Tom Sawyer, I expect that the country man will outlast the city boy even if Stephen had the confessional that sounded a little sneakier.
The Trusting Couple:
Coach and Debbie:
Coach doesn’t hide his feelings. Confronted by Candace over the cooking chores, he told us: “Candace, she has a personality like mine. She likes to find fault in others. I do it because I’m a coach… that’s my job. She does it because it’s her nature.”
Debbie was picked to sit out the very physical challenge. I noted that, even if she was perceived as the weakest in a tribe that thinks about strength first, her name never came up for tribal.
Coach only participated in one round of the basketball challenge and he didn’t perform well at all. In fact, we heard Jeff say: Coach is really dragging.”
At the lake, Debbie, in the presence of Tyson, told Coach what had been said in camp: “Candace is going around trash talking you...big time right now. I don’t like to hear negativity and if there is to be negative going on in the group, it’s going to be really hard for me… Earlier, we all decided Sierra but…”
Coach responded: “I wanted the strong to be here but that poison apple needs to go.”
Coach was the one to talk to us: “At first, I thought I was going with the plan and vote for Sierra and now, Candace is… wow! Talk about cancer on the team. This is the negative attitude that I think everybody is fed up with it and sometimes, there is addition by subtraction.”
Coach revealed a bit of how he perceives his team when he said: “We’re going to tribal and the girls think everybody is voting for Sierra. For me, the obvious choice is Candace. She’s the cancer on the tribe. I’ve been looking forward to this elimination. I think it’s good, it’s what we need. Hopefully, Candace has her bags packed. She’s out of here.”
Coach continues to be a big character and leader of Timbira but his leadership is contested. Usually, that’s a ggod thing; Terry and Marcus didn’t see their leadership being questioned at this early stage while Tom had to confront Caryn and Coby and Yul had to contend with Cao Boi. The difference is that the editors are showing us that Coach is the one in the wrong, not the ones contesting his leadership. Unless he opens his eyes, his strategy and his trust can become powerful tools for the ones ready to seize the opportunity.
His talk that the girls thought they were voting out Sierra leads me to believe that he wasn't the one that informed Erinn of the change of plan and maybe he wasn't even told that Erinn was in the loop. Someone could already be working behind his back.
That wouldn't be good for Debbie whose fate and story seem to rest solely with Coach. It looks like she’s in a great spot right now but someone could decide to chop Coach’s authority by voting her out. She’s the only one without an individual story in Timbira. However, if her trust is rewarded, she can go far even without a story.

The Sneaky Couples:
Sierra and Brendan:
The firs time we went to Timbira, Sierra’s story was presented once more: “Day one, my tribe tried to vote me out. (Coach seen on screen) I think they all perceive me as the weakest link. Instead, I came here and there was a clue for a hidden immunity idol but I didn’t get a chance to look for it yet. I’m still on the outs with my tribe (Coach and Erinn now shown) so I most definitely need to find it and I need someone to help me with that.”
She approached Brendan and told him her secret and they went off to the beach.
Wearing her black bikini top instead of the zebra shirt she had on during the first part of the confessional and sitting in a different spot, Sierra gave us more of her thoughts:
“In this game, it’s important to have people on your side and Brendan is the one person that didn’t vote for me. He’s the one I trusted.”
Brendan told Sierra he had her back after she told him about the Hidden immunity idol: “Sierra needed help to figure this out. I don’t think she was really comfortable that the tribe was not going to vote her off at the first tribal council. I think it’s important to look for it. It can’t hurt.”
This confessional could have been done after Timbira lost immunity and after the alliance had decided to vote Candace because why else say “it can’t hurt”.
Sierra found the first clue but got stuck on the second as we saw her and Brendan dig a huge hole to no avail. Caught in the process by Debbie, Sierra covered her tracks by saying they were preparing a pit for a bon fire. Debbie loved the idea!
Sierra, from a different confessional spot again, told us: “Debbie’s so fun loving she was all about it. I mean, she was our best sales person.”
Sierra gave us more of her thoughts: “We were so close to getting caught that, it may be a stupid move but, to tell you the truth, I don’t think it’s worth it to look for the immunity idol even though I know where I stand in this camp with these people and I’m really worried about my position.”
This confessional seemed so chopped up that I doubt we heard exactly what Sierra meant. The “even though” part may have been spoken during the first few days while the part about not being worth looking for it could have been after she received some reassurances about the vote.

Brendan had another confessional from the same spot as the first: “Debbie caught us but, luckily, Sierra came up with the idea of building a fire pit which I thought was smart and I went along with it.”
At the end of the challenge, the camera focused many times on Sierra as the one she trusted, Brendan, was sent off to Exile Sandbox.
Returning to his tribe, Brendan lied to everybody by saying Taj chose the urn with the clue, that she went off on her own and that he didn’t know if she had found it. He added that Taj was on the outs with her tribe.
Brendan in confessional: “The idol is actually under everybody’s nose at camp but I don’t want to let it out of the bag yet. It’s one general clue and it’s too broad. I’ll be patient and, hopefully, the clues will continue to fall into my lap.”
Before tribal, Sierra who felt that her time could be up was reassured by Debbie and Coach.
Sierra said: “Coach told me that I wouldn’t get voted out but I know that my whole tribe, (Candace and Erinn shown) from the beginning, wanted to vote me off. So, I’m freaking out a little bit about that.”
Right then Coach was heard saying: “Stop worrying. I know you’re worrying.”
Interestingly, during that last sentence, Coach was pointing and talking to the other blonde, Debbie, not Sierra! A little manipulation was put in to make us worry more about Sierra. What was Debbie worrying about? Could it have been the purple rock?
Sierra’s confessional continued: “I’m not comfortable at all. I have not found the immunity idol so I’m still looking behind my back.”
Although Sierra and Brendan’s story had to be told because of the events surrounding them, Sierra being the boot target and Brendan being the first one sent to Exile, there seems to be a lot of care going into their presentation. Sierra still has to fight against the first impression she made and we hear from Tyson that she still has to prove herself. Despite Coach’s reassurances, we haven’t been told how the alliance is structured so we are still unsure about her position. Her story can carry her to the merge and could even carry her to victory but we’ll need to hear more from her in episodes that don’t have her front and center.
Brendan seems to have created the most impressions on people. After Coach had opened up to him in episode #1, Sierra chose him to share the clue and Jalapao chose him to go to Exile. He also made a good enough impression on Taj to form a bond that could surprise everyone.

Taj and Brendan:
Taj started off by telling her tribe that she looks much better when she cleans up and that her husband would agree. That soon led Jalapao to discover one of her secrets, that she was married to Eddie George (a MUCH bigger and richer star than Gary Hogeboom ever was). As we saw, it ostracized Taj from the tribe.
When, during the critical 3rd round of the challenge, Taj got in on it as Jeff said, the momentum shifted. Showing she had learned something from watching her husband, Taj grabbed the ball and raced downfield, shaking off a tackle by Candace with a stiff arm that must have made Eddie proud. She missed the shot but the Timbira women were exhausted and Sydney was left with an open shot.
Taj’s story became intertwined with Brendan’s when he picked her to go to Exile Sandbox despite Sydney mouthing the words: “Please pick me” and Spencer raising his arm. Unfortunately, Brendan’s choice wasn’t explained.
On the sand dune, Brendan told us: “When Jalapao picked me to go to Exile, I was totally psyched. I wanted the chance to get the immunity idol. To come to exile with somebody from the other tribe, it’s a great opportunity to learn some information.”
Taj told us about the twist with the 2 urns.
Brendan told us he had two notes in his urn: “The first note was the clue to find the immunity idol. I look at this as an awesome thing to get sent to Exile this early in the game, I just have to figure out where the tribal homelands are. The second note said I had the ability to switch tribes: No chance, no chance I will go to Jalapao.”
Taj insisted on walking with Brendan as he went on his search: “I’m working Brendan to give myself a chance to find the idol. I’m being real nice, I’m playing up the whole friendly aspect because when my tribe found out who my husband was…I could tell that they were thinking ‘well, she doesn’t need this.’ Everybody thinks they have a great cause. My cause is that I want it and I’m going to get it.”
Taj told Brendan that Homelands referred to where they lived. Brendan told us: “At that point…I was thinking there were two immunity idols… and it’s not the same idol that Sierra was looking for.”
Taj told Brendan that she hadn’t bonded with anybody in Jalapao so that “we have to bond.”
Brendan commented: “I’m an entrepreneur and, having your own business, you have to make people understand who you are and make them feel that we can work together. Taj and I have created this great bond that could be very helpful for both of us if we do get to the merge. If we rendezvous later on in the game, we’ll have a relationship in place.”
He told Taj that they needed to work together to get back at exile and get the next clue. Taj agreed.
It appeared that Taj’s story was more about being in trouble in Jalapao than about joining with Brendan later on. Brendan was the one that gave us the meaningful confessionals on the Sand Dune. It showed how he will play the game while Taj merely presented the problem she faces: In her tribe she’s alone.
Alone Again
Candace and Erinn:
Told by Debbie about the “fire pit” that had been built on the beach, we saw the first signs of negativity from Candace: “It doesn’t make much sense. I probably won’t go. I’d rather sit around here and talk crap.”
Sierra rolled her eyes when she heard that.
Candace then got into an argument with Coach about the daily menu.
Candace told us: “I’m an educated woman and I don’t take crap from people.”
(Sierra, Jerry and Coach were shown in apparent disapproval of what we were hearing)
She went on: “Coach comes over and acts like he’s an expert. In real life, I would have broke it down to his psyche and his insecurities and how he over-compensates. I would have really got to him. But, here, I walked away, took a breath, worked on something else because I knew he’d want to apologize because he was wrong.”
When Coach did want to apologize, kiss and make-up with Candace, it didn’t escape Erinn’s eye. She seemed to be thinking what the audience was thinking about Coach and his kiss.
Candace continued her confessional: “That man’s got an ego bigger than Brasil. That will be the death of him. It’s his ego.”
After the challenge, Candace gave us the confessional: “It was a really tough challenge and it really got physical. So, when we loss, I was really disappointed. I hate to lose because somebody is going home.”
Candace discussed getting rid of Coach in front of Erinn, Tyson, Debbie and Jerry. Only Erinn was smiling.
Candace added: “Coach is not excelling physically in a way I thought he would. At the end of the day, I don’t see what Coach is bringing to the table except a lot of talk.”
Later, at the lake, Erinn and Candace agreed that Coach had to be the first guy to go but that this tribal council could be too soon. Candace concluded: “I think we should stay chill and let him continue to dig his hole.”
The scene ended with neither woman giving us a confessional about the situation.
At the shelter, Erinn asked Coach his thoughts. When he told her he’d be sticking to the game plan, she wanted to know what game plan he meant. When he said that the original plan was to get rid of Sierra, Erinn responded: “OK! Got it. I didn’t know how original we were talking. I was thinking: Wait a minute. Is there a new original plan?”
Just before Tribal, Candace and Erinn were shown worrying. Erinn said: “I worry about the fact that if anybody strays just a little bit…”
Candace was reassuring: “Let me tell you, it isn’t you or me. They know what we’re worth.”
Tribal was seen mainly through the eyes of Candace and Erinn:
We saw Candace and Erinn’s surprise when Sierra told Jeff: “Part of me wanted to give up for a second.”
Tyson confirmed the tribe’s poor first impression of Sierra: “She seemed to be struggling in the heat and didn’t seem very happy.”
Asked for her reaction at the twist, Candace said: “Honestly, there was a little bit of resentment because it was a difficult trek and she was taking a helicopter ride and I don’t think she was as excited or wanted to be here as everyone else.”
Erinn’s nod of agreement was noticed by the camera.
When Jeff asked Candace how the tribe perceived her, Candace said: “I think I’m vibing with the group but you never know.”
(The look we saw from Debbie and Coach would have told her where she stood.)
She added: “Sometimes I talk a lot.”
(That received a cymbal crash and a smirk from Coach and Sierra.)
Asked about meshing with the group, Coach told Jeff: “At this point, you’ve got to go with your intuition. If you’re clashing with somebody, you’ve got to sense it on your own because, at this stage, nobody is going to tell you that.”
Brendan got smiles from Erinn and Debbie as he talked about Exile.
When Jeff wondered if he was curious about Brendan finding the idol, Coach answered: “He didn’t get the clue. That’s somebody that I respect and trust and I believe 100 percent when he tells me something.”
(Debbie nodded agreement)
Jerry told Jeff: “Trust is a major issue in this game. If you can win the trust of over half the tribe, then you’re going to be here for a while. If you can’t win their trust, your time here is going to be limited… It’s really hard to make a vote this early on. I bonded with this group of individuals so closely and got to know each of them real well.”
(That really got Erinn’s attention; she quickly looked over at Jerry and that caught Jeff’s eyes)
Erinn explained: “We can talk all day about how we get along… but we don’t know these people. We’ve known them for 6 days so I don’t know if the person I bonded with is who they really are. I just think we need to be careful.”
Debbie interjected: “I have to disagree with Erinn…We are out there surviving together. That trek that we went through; to me, that’s how you really get to know someone.”
Erinn countered: “But I don’t know if that’s how you get to trust someone.”
Debbie responded: “Well, I’ve already built trust. I’ve built trust with several people on this tribe.”
(That shocked Candace as did the 7 votes against her.)
The editors had shown us that Sierra had bonded with Candace so now she appears to be alone. We saw that the vote didn’t isolate her because she also voted against Candace. Her reaction at Tribal was still quite revealing. She was so surprised when Jerry told her that he “bonded with this group of individuals” that she must have thought that everyone was just as isolated in their distrust as she was. I would venture to say that Erinn had been told that voting out Candace was the tribe’s decision, that it wasn’t the work of an alliance that included Coach.
It could be good that the editors put her in an underdog position but we can’t forget that, at least 3 times, the editors didn’t give her center stage. After the lake scene with Candace, after being told about the original plan and after worrying that somebody could stray, Erinn could have given us her thoughts in confessional but we didn’t hear anything more than what was said in discussions with others.
The end game players should be found in those that were presented as forming solid pairs: Stephen and JT, Tyson and Jerry, Sierra and Brendan. Coach should also make the end game but can he bring Debbie? Joe, Spencer and Sydney appear to be lacking future storylines while Taj, Sandy and Erinn have been placed in dangerous positions. Note that 4 of the “Highland 6” (the 6 players with original confessionals) are in the first group.

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24. "RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts:"

I think Erinn is probably the one most in trouble. She's on her own now and I don't think she has the scheming skills to go much farther. I think Taj has more scheming skills than Erinn does, so she might stick around a little longer.
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25. "RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts:"

Hello Belle,
I agree that Taj could have more game than Erinn but I try to limit my analysis of game play as much as possible. What is important, in this thread, is how the characters are presented, not who the people are. There's probably a reason why Erinn received the first confessional during the truck ride and got to tell us about her predicament at the start of the trek. Burnett loves underdogs.
2 of the "Highland 6", Sandy and Erinn, seem in danger but, somehow, I think they could find a way ~~back to the island~~ to the merge.
(ooops! I got confused with "Lost" again!)

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26. "RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts:"

True. Or maybe Burnett wants us to focus on them because they won't be around much longer. We'll find out.
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27. "RE: Episode #2 - Editing Thoughts:"

LAST EDITED ON 02-22-09 AT 05:27 PM (EST)
Sandy
Her edit reminds me a little bit of Kathy's in Marquesas.
One of the most important scenes of Episode 1 is her reacting emotionally at the tribe flag. We were supposed to see this, to get behind her. With the early vote-off she was the automaticaly the underdog. During the scene with the flag, she showed her vulnerability, emotion, and fight. The tears of being initially rejected, the calming down, and getting her head into this game. She is here to play and I see many good things for Sandy. She makes statements that the producers want us to hear (foreshadowing) like "this game is mine" and "gonna go the distance."
Throughout the first episode we are shown how and why she is so vulnerable. Because of the hidden idol twist, she decides to further isolate herself to look for the idol. Her strong challenge performance is probably the only that saved her this early, and we were shown that as well.
In Episode 2 we got the predictable back at camp "how the vote went" speech. She's very thankful and once again, seems very genuine and endearing. More positivity focused on her. I also found that JT seemed more of the focus during the scenes of her thanking her tribe. They even throw in one last scene where she grabs and kisses his shoulder. I think these two definitely will team up very soon.
After the immunity challenge win, Sandy, once again, tells us she had a 50/50 shot of going home if they lost. I found this quote very interesting.
It seems as if she would have she was for sure the next to go, but something tells me there are already talks of voting someone else out instead of Sandy (Sidney/Taj) and Sandy is being clued in and aware of this by someone (JT/Stephen?) She reitterates her underdog status in Episode 2.
My prediction is Sandy is going to go very far in this game, either the last to go in pecking order, or as 3rd/4th wheel in a majority alliance.
Sandy is FINAL 5.
Spencer
Suprisingly, Spencer to me appears to be the "tourist" of this season. I think this season lacks any true form tourist, and Spencer falls closest to being in that category. In Episode 1 we get an introduction from him. Explains why he is here and for how long he has watched the show. He discusses the brutal heat and the hard walk to camp. In Episode 2 we get the narration of the bugs snacks from Spence as well. We are seeing the trials and tribulations of this experience through his eyes. He is young and wideeyed.
In Episode 2 it is Spencer who tells us that Sandy shouldnt feel safe, she only went from 1st to go, to next to go. I dont think Spencer knows of any other plans, putting him in a minority position very soon. I dont expect him to go soon, but he will become an underdog. I dont think Spencer is going to be a cut and dry good guy though. I think he will do a fairshare of playing his way to mid-game.

JT
Our good ole boy JT has a darker side. On Survivorfever's bootsheet, he is disliked by MANY of his tribemates. Whether this is sour grapes or not im not quite sure yet. I get this Boston Rob feel from JT. We are supposed to like JT, but in Marquesas we were supposed to like Rob as well. As obnoxious and manipulitave as he was, he was our charachter of the season. JT i think will be disliked by the guys who may see the women more drawn to him come a certain point, and we are hearing is like an "Ozzy" in challenges. JT is getting some important confessionals right now, not a lot, but they are substantial. His story is going to unfold in time, and he looks poised for midgame/early jury.

Stephen
We are shown Stephen in an underdog role as well. I think the dweeby sidekick is going to outlast his countryboy friend. We are shown insight to his strategy, and that works very well in his favor.

Taj
The editors are setting up the inevitable split at the Jalapao tribe. JT/Stephen/Sandy with Joe/Sidney/Spencer.... Taj looking like the swing vote. Maybe a big episode for Taj next episode. We are shown Taj as a likeable person. But we are also supposed to understand why she doesnt make it in the game. We will feel ok when she goes, not slighted.
Sydney/Joe
They are kind of the invisibles of the tribe. I think when it's time for their story, it will be told, but their story seems to revolve around everyone else's. It's because of the stories of Sandy/JT/Taj & Stephen that these two will go home with little impact.
I decided just to focus on the Jalapao tribe. I see the next few boots coming from this tribe.We are already getting more hints to the dynamics of this tribe and storylines that are beginning to be told. Timbira's story will unfold later in the game. I see a new alliance in Jalapao forming and Taj/Brendan's "secret 4" being the storyline for the next episode or two.
Side note, the first 6 confessionals of the game, come from Sandy, Stephen, Tyson, Erin, Coach and Sierra. The next two confessionals are from Spencer and JT. Now not saying the Final 8 could be laid out for us as blatant as that, but more and more its looking VERY plausible that our Final 8 ARE JT, Spencer, Stephen, Sandy, Coach, Tyson, Sierra & Erin

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28. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

LAST EDITED ON 02-23-09 AT 06:44 AM (EST)

I thought this was interesting from an editing point of view. Of the hundreds of images the editors could have chosen from, this one was placed in the ads, so are we to infer anything from this particular image?
It seems that a certain someone is being 'exalted' by the rest of the tribe.

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29. "Tyson vs. Coach"

It's been churning in my mind over the last day or so, so it's time to get it out there and see what you guys think.
There seems to be a major story arc brewing that is linking Tyson and Coach in a big way. Let's revisit what Jiffy said about these two before the game:
The great thing about Tyson though, is he's smart enough and good looking enough that people will think he's normal. Some people will be attracted to him. They'll have no idea he's got that Richard Hatch sort of diabolical mind always working.
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(Benjamin) Hands down one of the most fascinating guys that's been on the show. He is so full of himself. And he's full of himself like Richard Hatch was.
We had the soundbite from Tyson joking that if he and Coach gets split up, he's going to demand the other contestants call him 'Coach' and watch Coach's head explode. We saw Coach refer to Tyson as his assistant coach.
Here's how I see the editing is leading. We're seeing a chameleon-like performance from Tyson as per Jiffy's comment that 'enough people ... will think he's normal', and we're seeing an increasing backlash against Coach's methods. I think Tyson is going to have a direct hand in firing Coach (and his head cheerleader, Debbie) from the show, and when he meets up with some of the people from Jalapao later on (via tribal swap or merge), they will regard him as the new Coach because he slayed the old Coach. Then Tyson will fall on the same sword that Coach fell on as he's seen as the new Coach.
All the soundbites does not make me feel that he's getting a winner's edit in this game -- although I do admit it's still very early in the game. He talks of crushing other people's dreams. He mocks Coach.
Am I way off base here?

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30. "Episode 3 Editing"

Pepe I always enjoy seeing you post here I just saw your photo as well - very intriguing; especially in light of the past episode. There is definitely a relationship with Tyson and Coach that I certainly can see your scenario. I'm not entirely sure yet of where Tyson may fall (although I agree about Coach) as Tyson's edit is not quite as clear cut to me. I am hazarding a guess that in this season of "likeable" people, the editors are hard pressed for "evil" characters except for Coach of course and are really trying to utilize every bit they can from anyone who remotely gives off any type of that dynamic. Tyson may take over evil Coach's role only to be thwarted himself but by all accounts, ONLY the audience has been privy to any of Tyson's remarks - the contestants themselves have not yet had the pleasure as Erinn laid out in the first episode that he would be good to have around. It would be ironic if the impression he gave off came back to "bite everyone" however, there are quite a few viable candidates for end game this season but I do feel Tyson gives off a long term characterization.
The Recap
The set up begins with Jalapao bonding and Timbira splintering
The set up also begins with the EI twist with Brendan choosing Taj for EI and agreeing to work together
Sierra shown again in danger but when "Candace turned on Coach" he retaliated.
Sierra was "saved" and Coach "got his way"
Timbira
Erinn worked hard to "back track" and both Sierra and Coach were given confessionals regarding Erinn's discussion. This solely was designed to set up their trek to Tribal Council since Coach advises "She made her bed and now she has to lie in it"
Jerry is shown with a precarious state of health (also to set up the Tribal Council) and Erinn gets a good confessional explaining her vulnerability and having to fight for her life. Jerry gets his confessional regarding his health with his tribe's concern over his eating.
(A nice soundbite with Debra and Sierra still half asleep with Sierra questioning why they are still doing this - "a million dollars" - in terms of editing, the soundbite was not only unclear but rather unnecessary - this may be a little "nugget" to look back on - I may dismiss something like this if it came from a character that felt short term)
Jalapao
Stephen begins with narration about the fishing gear and their poor attempts to get "plates of fish" JT also gets a smaller confessional they will "get it under control." Sure enough the "tides turned" and they were able to catch fish. Joe receives a confessional about these events and advises "we are a force to be reckoned with"
Simply a "fluff" scene but to set forth how Jalapao's "momentum" has built with their winning both the reward and immunity challenges. Nothing heard from Spencer, Sydney, Taj, Sandy. Sydney is of the most concern as her edit has been very lacking since the onset of the season. With the previews giving her a sudden "push" for next week, it would not be of any surprise to me that her time this season has run out.
The Reward Challenge
Jalapao gets their "first look" at Candace being voted out with Taj being the contestant focused upon with Joe in the background nodding.
Debra frantically attempts to lead her tribe in this challenge which ended up a complete disaster while Joe and Jalapao prove they are indeed a "force to be reckoned with" Upon losing Coach's groan is noted to be heard by the other tribe as several members appear to look over. Brendan is chosen by Taj with a small smile on Brendan's face. Taj is then chosen by Brendan.
Spencer "It seems as if both tribes are using the same strategy so not entirely shocked" (Coach is shown immediately after Jeff poses his question to Spencer)
Coach (conf) "We got to turn this around for every reason imaginable, pride...the anger that I am feeling. Winners find a way to win, losers find a way to lose. We got to get it together"
As evidenced by the last episodes, regardless of where Benjamin ends up, he is going to be utilized by the editors in every way imaginable.
Timbira
The reward challenge was discussed in this scene. Focused upon again was Coach.
Coach "I let out a primal yell... I was so pissed off"
Debra is concerned about her responsibility for their loss. Coach begs them to not got off and "blame" others for the loss. (This proves to be interesting considering that once again, Coach's words and his actions are completely contradictory)
The following scene with Tyson and Coach was accompanied by very unique music considering the type of conversation they had. It had a country type "feel" to it and didn't quite fit how this scene could have been set forth. The music felt to me to help "make fun" of Coach
Coach "People are just panicking in the challenges. Did you see Sierra? She screamed... I'm just like who's worse, is it Erinn, is it Sierra? I want to get Erinn out immediately"
(Tyson's confessional shown)
Coach "You, me, Sierra and Debbie are voting Erinn off next; doesn't matter what Brendan thinks, I'm sure he'll be with us, that's four to three"
(More of Tyson)
Coach "You're like my assistant coach..."
(More of Tyson)
Tyson (conf) "One word to describe Coach, I think that's it, Coach. He's not always the best at what he's coaching but he thinks he knows the most" and "He likes his voice to be heard which is what we all want and need" (a smile follows this then he comes back to the confessional with a big laugh) and "When he told me I was like his assistant coach, more power to me you know. He has a little school boy crush on me. People see that (Erinn is shown) He loves me you know so if I keep plugging away, I'll eventually make coach. He may promote me. I don't know if I'll have my own team or we'll be co-coach or whatever but people are going to start calling me that. I'm actually going to demand it. We ever get put on separate tribes... I will demand the other tribe call me coach too"
This was a meaty amount of time spent on the losing tribe for just a reward challenge and obviously a hefty amount spent with Tyson's confessional. While Tyson's words had this air of arrogance just by the words alone, the continuous playing of the background music felt like it was to take the edge off what could have been shown to be straight arrogance. Tyson has a very subtle and unique way of discussion and a very dry humor. As this confessional was more about his mocking of Coach, I tended to not feel that his words were meant to just be plain arrogant (i.e. demanding to be called coach) since it seemed more to make fun of a man that the audience probably enjoys watching be made fun of. We also did see that Coach feels comfortable with Sierra and Debra and obviously thinks of Tyson as his right hand man. Jerry was not discussed as part of the vote for Erinn and Coach apparently also felt that Brendan would be with them as well
Jalapao
The tribe enjoys their moment of victory. Joe receives a confessional how they worked well and Timbira must be struggling with moral and that Jalapao, if to win the IC, could "really do some damage" JT then discusses having the tarp and how the other tribe is getting soaked.
Not much screen time for the victors as compared to the Timbira scene as well as going back to Timbira again. Timbira does eventually go to Tribal Council so that may be a reasonable explanation to showcase them although we may find down the road that there is more storyline integral to some Timbira contestants.
Timberia
The tribe is shown somewhat subdued (as Erinn jokes) in the rain.
Coach (conf) "...I don't care about comfort, shelter... I don't care about comfort anymore... I don't care about anything else except winning this game. Inserted confessional pieced from his earlier one as there is no rain during this confessional)
Exile Island
Taj gets the clue this time and discusses it with Brendan.
Taj (conf) "Brendan and I are at EI, he's kinda working right alongside with me, we both have the same goals in mind trying to find the idol so we can both be safe in the long run"
Brendan (conf) "When I get back to camp, I'm going to look for the idol immediately...."
Brendan "...if we don't find it by the time somebody else gets here and gets a clue then we are outed unless we can convince them to send us again; hopefully we can, we'll work on that but if we can't, who else do we send?"
Taj "Steve, do Steve and I'll prep him before the next challenge so he'll know"
Brendan "Okay, so I'll go to Sierra"
Taj "Are you sure you can trust Sierra?"
Brendan "Yeah... ...I'll make sure"
Taj "You work Sierra, I'll work Steve. Once we make it to the merge we would have a four way alliance that nobody knows about..."
Taj (conf) "If Brendan and I line up our cards exactly the way we want em, we'll have a secret four way alliance that nobody knows about (They high five) this is going to slap them behind the head, they won't even know it's coming" (This part of the confessional seems to have been spliced in)
Brendan "You're the best accomplice ever, ever"
Taj laughs heartily with a clap of lightening following.
Another lengthy amount of time spent on this scene. From past seasons with Exile Island appearances, greater weight and time were put on those who either utilized the idol in the story line and/or had longevity. Taj and Brendan's secret alliance and their "plan" appears to be something that has legs or I don't feel much detail would be shown (we also see that Taj does indeed speak to Stephen in the previews. We also can go back and note that Sierra had enlisted Brendan to help her find her idol and while that particular idol might not play any part in their game, that scene itself may have been shown to set the stage for Brendan to now enlist Seirra. Therefore, I would hazard a guess that the four in this plan have a nice storyline building although all four of them may not necessarily get to end game. At this time though, each of them received adequate, if not, good face time and introduction into who they are. Stephen received a first episode description and his character has been built with narration and his friendship with JT. Taj was shown "outed" and her thoughts on this. Brendan received a more subtle introduction and one may recall his and Coach's brief discussion in the first episode which may have some pay off down the road and Sierra obviously received quite a bit of face time and confessionals on her vulnerability. One point of great interest to me in this scene was Taj asking Brendan if he trusted Sierra yet we heard nothing from Brendan about Stephen to Taj - why would this be? Why would it be important enough to include that?
Jalapao
The tribe is revisited feeling comfortable after a warmer night. Sandy is shown rubbing Spencer's arm and yet again, Stephen gives narration how wonderful their sleep was and the knowledge "Timbira was having a miserable night" Sandy lets everyone know she is a "sex kitten this morning" JT tells us in a confessional that he is hoping Timbira doesn't have it together to put them down (This was an out of sequence confessional taken from an earlier confessional we saw)
Yet again, Stephen and JT get sufficient air time whereas Sydney, Spencer and Sandy could have been selected. Joe received earlier confessionals but Sydney, Spencer and Sandy were neglected. Anyone could have been chosen to speak about their great night which concerns me for the three who have not received their due whereas JT and Stephen have been given nice face time since the first episode - if anyone besides Taj furthers themselves in the game it appears that Stephen and JT will be the other individuals from Jalapao to do so
Immunity Challenge
Sydney tells the idol "See you soon" while Jerry quips "We don't think so"
A physically grueling challenge, there was a noticeable "snake like" rattle noise upon Jeff advising that Sydney and Stephen lost a lot of time for their tribe and what was fascinating is they showed this using two different scenes. As Jeff described that Stephen and Sydney lost time, Stephen is on the left side and Sydney on the right of the block, however the editors then showed them up close again struggling with the rattle noise and suddenly Sydney is on the left and Stephen on the right with Sydney a bit more in focus. It was extremely subtle but some of you may know how I pick apart these items especially in such a benign situation AND when Jalapao eventually won. With Sydney's lack of air time and what appears to be a big push next episode along with this type of scene, I don't think Sydney will be here much longer and we may find Sandy and Sydney the two "boot candidates" at Jalapao's next Tribal Council with a lot of focus on Sandy's worry but Sydney being the casualty
Erinn and Brendan get into a debate over the placement of the blocks as Erinn "leads her tribe" and after they lose Jerry receives on screen: "I'm finished, I'm through" (a nice help by the editors to show that) Jeff reminds them that momentum has shifted with their third loss but I will say Timbira probably could have received harsher treatment for three losses. I would have to go back and review Gabon but I am curious as to whether the Fang tribe received their criticism as early as their third loss as how can we forget the beating they took by Jeff over losing. This may suggest that Timbira (or some of their members) are not to be humiliated in the editing due to the end game story.
The challenge scene ends with Jerry expressing his weakness and responsibility for the loss and how the tribe may view this.
Timbira
Jerry is shown laying down and continues his thought process with his trying to endure and tough it out.
The remainder of the tribe have a discussion in the water
Erinn "I think we had a communication breakdown today and I can't quite figure it out what it was"
Brendan "It's just the beginning of the game"
Debra "We're just one behind"
Brendan "We'll figure it out. Is Jerry okay?" (Debra explains the problem)
Brendan "Alright. Well that makes it easy" (Coach is shown then Erinn laughing)
Coach (conf) "The most unfortunate thing about this whole situation is that as soon as Erinn realized Jerry was that sick she turned around and looked at the tribe (still shown with a big smile) with an evil sneer kinda like I'm staying"
Coach "Dude. The look"
Tyson "What?"
Coach "The look on Erinn's face, I'm so pissed off man.. ...it registered she was still staying, I'm not kidding, I practiced her look (the music turns light as he shows Tyson "the look") it was the evilest look..."
Tyson "That's why I'm going to talk to Jerry and tell him to stay strong so we can get rid of her"
Coach (conf) "I think my relationship with Tyson started out like head coach and assistant coach but I go to him first because he's my right hand man, my general and I want to make sure we are clear with our orders... (confessional seems spliced in at this latter part) ...still go with Erinn but Debbie and Sierra, those are the two I'm gonna have to talk to" (The confessional continues this light hearted sounding music - it is not a blatant type of music but definitely lends a feel of slightly poking fun at Coach)
Debra "I mean you are only as strong as your weakest one" (Coach must have brought his playbook to memorize)
Sierra "Oh yeah she did know she was going home if Jerry's wasn't sick" (How the tide has turned for Sierra)
Jerry "It just makes me sick... I exist to surround myself with people who have integrity, I cannot exist around people like that. You guys can cause you can socialize with them. I am so true that existing around people who smile eviley when someone else is on their knees kills me...." (The reaction shots were solely by Sierra)
Sierra (conf) "Coach is definitely pissed about voting off Jerry but I am honestly not going to sever off another limb so we can get our vendetta against Erinn. In the beginning when they saw me sick they were going to vote me out so as much as I have grown to actually like Jerry, I'm not going to be stupid" (Nice confessional from Sierra - she was not at risk but chosen to showcase that the plan would go against Coach's wishes and give some good insight. Debra was also "not stupid" yet not given any discussion on her feelings. Coupled with the other episodes, this doesn't bode well for Debra)
Tyson "You got to stay strong man... don't give up"
Jerry "Who's the one we got in mind"
Tyson "Erinn. She was right on board with Candace. To me, it looks like she's just here to lie and deceive and get ahead any way she can"
Jerry "Has anybody been talking about voting me out"
Tyson "No, nobody has. Try and look as strong as you can. Don't say anything to nobody"
Jerry "Yeah"
The Quest for the Idol
Brendan is shown searching his camp for the HII and describes what was involved before finding it: "It all worked out, the plan worked. ....when I think about business, it's never about making money and even with Survivor it's not about making money. I love winning games, I love playing games... and winning them. So, as long as you are focused on doing something that you love and you are playing the game the right way good stuff happens"
Nicely done Brendan. Although perhaps not as dynamic as some other characters, this was a nice confessional of Brandon's insight on this game. It is ironic that in a game where most confessionals are about the money, we have two contestants whose focus is not about the money but about winning the game and both are on the same tribe. It is also quite ironic that the two people who are working together don't necessarily need the money as we were shown expressing that Taj certainly does not need the money either.
Erinn (conf) "Like you don't want to be hey everybody Jerry's sick but you kinda want to be Hey everybody Jerry's sick! I'm trying to wrestle options how to bring it up delicately... because every time you send someone home who doesn't want to be here it leaves a space for someone who does and I want to be here so see ya Jerry."
Brendan asks Jerry to describe how he is feeling (Jerry gives a thumb halfway)
Jerry "It was down, now it's sideways, it's moving up. Once I have a good cheeseburger I'll be right up top" (Erinn and Tyson featured)
Tyson (conf) "Yeah I think Jerry put a couple of eyeballs on him... if he's the weak link and it comes to Tribal Council he could be the next one to go but anytime there's a blindside it's pretty awesome, just the look on somebody's face. I think Erinn wants to be here so so bad that her getting blindsided would be really cool, I love seeing people cry when you crush their dreams"
(Note this confessional was done much earlier in the day as the sun was high and probably immediately after the discussion revolved around Erinn still leaving. As Coach and Tyson both voted for Jerry, this confessional may have been for various reasons. One for necessity to make it suspenseful for Tribal Council since this should hardly be a surprise vote so we are left anticipating a surprise. Second, Tyson gives good sound bites and a confessional such as this would probably not want to be on the cutting room floor especially in light of the fact that so many of these contestants are probably just too nice. Third, this may be the one chink for Tyson's storyline at end game as the vote was meant to appear (until we saw the votes) that Tyson and Coach did not get want they wanted and were perhaps "bamboozled" when in reality that didn't happen; they may not have been happy but they voted Jerry off as well so this may have also been added to perhaps showcase some egg on Tyson's face)
Tribal Council
Jeff asks Tyson about momentum and that Jalapao has it and the importance
Tyson "Momentum is extremely important. I think uh (Brendan) we got a little bit arrogant (Debra) and their on a high right now and we're on a low; (Erinn) it doesn't take much to regain momentum (Tyson, Erinn, Sierra), just a win and if we can all focus and get together (Coach) then it can flip flop pretty fast"
Jeff brings up noticing Erinn stating she had a plan right off the bat then it was over. (Jerry)
Erinn "That's exactly what happened.... everybody said no no no that's not right, (Brendan) people panicked and we all did nothing (still Brendan) and then went oh yeah that's right and it was too late by then.
Jeff asks her how frustrating that was when she knew it all along
Erinn "I (doesn't know what to say) it was just frustrating" (tempo in music changes)
Jeff asks Brendan if this group communicates as well as it needs to (Brendan, Debra and Jerry shown in shot with Jerry shaking his head)
Brendan "Um, I think we communicate (looks over at Jerry shaking his head) very well" (Camera cuts to Coach with a shift in the music who smirks a bit)
Jeff notes Jerry shaking his head
Jerry "For today's challenge, if we had a controlling person to say (Jerry, Sierra and Debra) you got it (Coach) and bam but that didn't happen (Tyson) We just need to establish a leader (Jerry, Sierra, Brandon, Debra)
Jeff asks who it should be
Jerry (Coach) "I think it should be Brendan" (Brendan crash Coach)
Jeff asks if Coach agrees with that
Coach (Brendan) "Being the devil's advocate (Erinn) say Brendan's the leader, he has to take the reins (Jerry) I'm not suggesting that I am the leader but (Tyson with small smirk and shift in music) on the truck I was making (Erinn with small smirk) eye contact with everybody and the reason why it worked so smoothly was because I basically told everybody with my eyes (Erinn is dumbfounded) to get what they needed to get"
Jeff proposes that it sounds like he should be leader
Coach "Well absolutely, I'd love to be the leader, that's what I am used to doing" (Erinn)
Jeff notes Erinn's reactions and to share just one (Brendan laughs)
Erinn "I think it's a role that Coach is used to (Erinn, Coach, Tyson) it's a role he would love to be in but something that Brendan does better" (Coach with small frown and shift in music)
Coach (Tyson, Coach, Erinn) "Again I'm not criticizing Brendan (Brendan laughing again) but we lost three challenges in a row (Jerry) and for her to be so quick to say that I think it comes more to a personality clash (Erinn) between us to"
Erinn "I didn't know we had a personality clash" (Coach with small smile and shift in music) "Uh he has these great ideas (Coach) but I don't ever see you saying (Tyson, Coach, Erinn) more than I have this great idea but you guys do whatever you want to do"
Jeff asks if Coach is passive aggressive
Erinn "Uh huh"
Jeff asks Coach is that is hard to hear (Coach then Jerry) as he may be struggling with ego.
Coach "It's not about ego because I'd rather (Erinn) tow the lie and be a good assistant coach (Tyson enjoying this) than try to be a head coach and stroke my ego (Brendan still laughing) What I was doing was justifying why I should be the leader (Erinn) and why I registered surprise when Erinn said Brendan"
Jeff asks Jerry how tonight's vote will make the tribe better
Jerry "...it will be getting rid of the weakest player" (Coach smiling then Erinn)
The vote was unanimous for Jerry despite appearances and visuals mainly centered on Tyson and Coach with a sad shot thrown in of Sierra watching Jerry leave
Jeff "Well according to you guys this vote was all about making this tribe stronger (Coach laughing) time will tell (Erinn a bit sullen) if you made the right decision or not"
Timbira certainly has a very interesting mix of personalities and since the tribes had already been formed prior to the onset of the game, I'm sure there was a very concerted effort to put certain people with Coach. At this juncture, I fail to see any end game promise from Debra. Erinn seems a bit muddled as she may solely be there to shape a storyline rather than potential end game. Coach is obviously a great character to impress upon the audience and it should be fun to see how he is taken down, i.e. which "worthy opponent" gets the best of him. I have strong feelings for the development of Tyson and Sierra and would not discount either of them from end game. Brendan is a bit of a mystery as there is promise there despite a relative quiet edit (which includes speaking and visuals and manipulation) He may be long term simply designed around the "idol alliance" but he is most definitely part of a growing story. At the other tribe, while I do not follow along in the fun of guessing weekly eliminations, I would have no problem throwing Sydney in the guessing game as the next to go in her tribe. Sorely underdeveloped with a big shift coming - the visual shown at the IC really stayed with me. Should this be incorrect, I still do not believe she holds any true end game promise. In fact, outside of Stephen, JT and Taj, I'm not fond of the others chances long term. Taj, like Brendan, may be built around the idol and the alliance to come with it as opposed to the winner of this season but she also has a nice storyline building. JT appears to be someone that may be long term and thus utilized quite a bit in light of that. You will note that in the budding friendship with Stephen, Stephen has been the one more fleshed out and developed and we have been given quite a bit from Stephen. What I find fascinating with Stephen is how he would simply and succinctly embody the opening story of first impressions. Sandy remarked that Stephen appeared to be someone to be led around - with his edit, it would be nicely done should Stephen prove otherwise.

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suzzee 5961 desperate attention whore postings
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02-28-09, 05:39 PM (EST)

33. "RE: Episode 3 Editing"

VS love your views on this episode here's my 2 cents on this week.
Debra and Sierra still half asleep with Sierra questioning why they are still doing this - "a million dollars"
This could have been a tie in to Jerry's leaving, I think Jerry was one of the few that stated he was here for the million but I wouldn't dismiss the comment just because of that. Time will tell if Sierra is around at the end.
Coach begs them to not got off and "blame" others for the loss. (This proves to be interesting considering that once again, Coach's words and his actions are completely contradictory)
This is Coach's theme his words and actions have been contradictory from the beginning:
Keep the strong ~ out goes Candace, in stays Debbie, Sierra and Coach himself for that matter. He seemed to ignore Debbie's shortcomings regardless of her trying to own the failure.
On his ego ~ according to him, he has none. yipes
we may find Sandy and Sydney the two "boot candidates" at Jalapao's next Tribal Council with a lot of focus on Sandy's worry but Sydney being the casualty
You present a good case for Sydney going. What would be the reason though? Is it that her "flirt" tactics she finally is shown talking about ends up hurting her, poor performances in challenges compared to Sandy?
Sandy's pre season clip did have her state that she needs to make it past the first 3 or 4 TC's and then she'll feel like she will have enough time to insinuate herself into the tribe and feel safe. This would be the 4th boot and those kinds of words often are prophetic good or bad.
I agree with your observations about Sierra seeming to come into her own. Debbie who hasn't played any game that we've been shown and is likely to follow Coach or directly precede him out of the game with a good chance that Tyson & Sierra have a hand in that.
How many times have Generals succeeded their superiors .

Fear and Loathing Tribe style 2008

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02-28-09, 10:20 PM (EST)

34. "RE: Episode 3 Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 03-02-09 AT 06:44 AM (EST)
Great observations everyone! I love reading it all! I agree with Pepe in finding that picture of Brendan interesting. Regarding the editing, clearly, there is editing which quickly points to the two tribe members that are in the most jeopardy for the episode, and then there is the long term editing of the story. It's very interesting to comment on the editing for the episode after we have viewed it...for example, with the onset of this episode, it pretty much identified the boot candidates as Jerry and Erinn immediately.
Erinn, our first boot candidate, got the first sound bite upon arriving back from TC when she was trying to do damage control...Last thing I wanted to do was give Candace any idea that I was voting for her and I'm like not knowing what everybody else is doing, OMG, this could be the very last nail in my own coffin...
Then Sierra gets the first real confessional as she accurately assesses what is going on...Erinn obviously didn't see it coming, that's voting Candace, then, when she did, she is trying to act out really fast, she's kind of panicking...
We continue to hear Debbie telling her that "you knew she was turning on the rest of us"...as Erinn continues to comment...Coach pretty much confirms, "she's made her bed and she's going to have to lie in it".
Then cut to the morning, we see birds walking over the river bed and the first person we see is Jerry....COUGHING, in black silouhette....In retrospect, it's easy to see!
Right after that scene with Jerry, we see Sierra as she is waking up beside Debra...she mumbles, "Why are we doing this again...OK, a million dollars, a million dollars! Definately raised my interest considerably...
Erinn has the first confessional of the morning stating that she has go from the girl who is on the outs to the complete opposite...Coach comments that they have to be absolute animals at the next challenge, and Erinn again notes that she has to outperform, and she thinks she can outperform Sierra and Debra...she's fighting for her life...
Cut to the beans and Jerry...he's not feeling well...at this point, the viewer can already deduce the two in danger are the girl on the outs, Erinn, and the sick boy, Jerry. As Erinn ends this scene with a question, How are you feeling, Jerry?, he replies with the title of the show, Mama said there would be days like this!, then we see a heron standing in a tree that gets up and flies away....signifying Jerry being booted, perhaps?
Then, cut to an alligator swimming and we have the happy Jalapao's with their fishing net as Stephen, who seems to be the narrator for the tribe, notes that they all envisioned platefuls of fish, yet they are having alot of problems catching minnows.
Confessional from JT notes that but, we'll get it under control! JT always seems to know what to do and to say as the very next scene, with upbeat and peppy music, we see him fishing with a rod and landing a fish, then we see Stephen catch his very first fish, and then JT lands "the biggest one yet"! Then we cut to the fish over the fire and Joe comments, it tastes just like victory, and he comments on how they are a force to be reckoned with.
The challenge ensues with dramatic music and Jiffy makes the play by play until he declares, "Jalapao wins". We see Joe raising his arms, and see Taj scream as she goes to hug Joe, cut to exasparated Debbie, then to Coach as he is seen shaking his head as Jalapao celebrates. Stephen hugs Syd, Sandy with an arm around Taj as she hugs Spencer...then we hear the primal scream from Coach as Sierra's head is down, he grunts again and Stephen turns to look at him...
Jiffy says, Jalapao, congratulations, the first decision you have to make ***when Jiffy says this the camera is on SYDNEY...this stuck out to me as well...the first decision you make at tribal council to boot one of your own will be Sydney???...who from Timbira are you going to send to EI, as the camera is on Brendan, and Taj says, "Brendan". Then he picks her. As they leave the area, Brendan high fives Coach...
As Timbira gets ready to leave we have the confessional from Coach, We've got to turn it around for every reason imaginable; pride, the reward, anger....winners find a way to win, losers find a way to lose. We've got to get it together, as a shot of Coach walkng out.
Cut to Timbira, first a shot of a tarantula then a snake slithers into some wood...as they come back and talk about the challenge. Coach gets another confessional, I was totally embarrassed, there is no other word for it, we were humiliated...then Debbie is feeling bad and Coach warns them not to go off and blame each other, which as others have noted, is exactly what he does...then we cut to music Coach and Tyson and Coach complains but notes that you, me, Sierra and Debbie are gonna vote Erinn off next....then Tyson has his long confessional about Coach...One word to describe Coach, that's it, Coach. You know he's not always the best at what hes coaching, but he thinks he knows the most...then Coach tells Tyson that he is like his assistant coach, the first 7 days I want to make sure you saw it the exact same way as I did...then Tyson continues with his confessional, You know what, when he told me I was like his assistant coach, more power to me, you know, he has a little school boy crush on me, people see that (Erinn seen), he loves me, you know? So, if I just keep plugging away, I'll eventually make coach. He may promote me. I don't know if I'll have my own team or we'll be co-coach or whatever, but people are gonna start calling me that, I'm actually gonna demand it. If we ever get put on separate tribes in this game, I will demand that the other tribe calls me coach too...as he smiles.
Definately, Tyson is indeed mocking Coach, but regardless, I get the impression that Tyson is happy about this...he likes being in Coaches favor...
Then we have upbeat jungle music with lots of drums and we cut to the Jalapao's team cheer led by Spencer...they all comment on their performance and how the other tribe must be struggling, Joe and JT get confessionals about the force that they are and the tarp on the roof as it is ready to rain....cut to Timbira and another confessional by Coach: Judging by the fact that Jalapao seems to be a hell of alot dirtier than us, they probably need that stuff more than we do - I don't care about anything else, but winning this game......
Cut to Exile sanddune and Taj and Brendan, and Taj narrates...We both have the same goals in mind. We are trying to find the idols so we can both be safe in the long run, we have at least 2 days to find it on our own, then Brendan comments on looking for it around the shelter and then the tree mail area...
Then they devise the plan to bring Stephen and Sierra in, and I also noted that Taj asked Brendan if he could trust Sierra....made me say, hmmmm? Taj has the last confessional, Brendan and I can line up our cards exactly the way we want them, we'll have a secret four way alliance that no one knows about. This is gonna slap 'em behind the head, they won't even know what's coming, then Brendan notes that Taj is the best accomplice ever!
Cut to Jalapao in the AM as they wake up and Stephen and JT get the confessionals. Definately, this alliance will be the lasting one here...
Cut to dramatic music and the IC, Brendan and Taj returned. As Jiffy says, "Losers...Tribal Council, somebody's going home", we see Erinn shaking her head....when Jiffy said, LOSERS, the camera was firmly on TIMBIRA...confirming that they will be the losers.
Then Jiffy calls out, "Timbira", as the camera focuses on Tyson, "momentum has definately shifted, three straight wins for Jalapao", then we see Coach shaking his head...then we get Jerry feeling badly about the challenge, and he goes to camp and lies down as the others go into the water. Brendan is upbeat, "it's only the beginning of the game" and Debra notes that they are only one down. Coach cannot stand Erinn and mocks her expression when she realizes that she will last...then we have Coach note, I think my relationship to Tyson started out as he's my assistant coach, but, I go to him first, he's my right hand man, he's my general, then, I want to make sure that we are clear with orders....let's still go with Erinn. Debbie and Sierra, those are the two I'm gonna have to talk to...., as we see Coach go off with Debra and Sierra. We see them talk about how Coach can not exist around Erinn....then we get a confessional that I thought was quite significant from Sierra...Coach is definately pissed about voting off Jerry, but I am honestly not going to sever off another limb that we can get our vendettas against Erinn. In the beginning when they saw me sick and weak, they were gonna vote me out, so as much as I have grown fond of Jerry, I'm not gonna be stupid...
To me, Coach is playing an emotional game, while Sierra is playing a wise game and is not letting her emotions dictate her vote choice...despite the pressure from some of her tribe mates...I do get a feeling that Sierra is indeed an end game player.
Then Brendan goes and gets the idol and has the confessional that he notes it's not about the money, but he loves playing games, competing and winning them...as long as you are doing something you love, and you are playing the game the right way, good stuff happens...indeed! Very interesting to note that the two who will possibly end up with the idols are two that do not need the million.
They go off to TC and basically Erinn calls Coach out...
My thoughts following this episode are that Jalapao's are working together well now, but next week they will lose the challenge and I agree, Sydney is toast. She will be the first decision that Jalapao has to make next...I think Sandy and Spencer are more minor players as well. I think that Stephen, JT, and Taj have substance. Don't know where to put Joe...
At Timbira I think that the producers think Coach is a gold mine...let's face it, he's good tv, he's definately a character. He had a confessional after the RC loss about how he didn't care about comforts, he didn't care if tarantulas were biting him and snakes were crawling all over him, all he cared about was winning...this made me raise an eyebrow, could this be some sort of foreshadowing(regarding the bitten by tarantulas and snakes, that is!)?
Regardless, he is a prime character this season. Tyson, Sierra, and Brendan will be the longer term players, I think, from Timbira. I don't see how Erinn will last at this point...I see her as such an antagonist...Debra will also be a shorter term player, imo.
I think that the hidden alliance of four will indeed be around for a while.

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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings
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03-01-09, 04:41 PM (EST)

35. "RE: Episode 3 Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 03-01-09 AT 06:29 PM (EST)

I see I'm the one that's late for the party! I'll have a lot to read but I wanted to post without outside influence because I think this was a crucial episode, one which gave us big clues to the long term players and maybe even our winner:
Here's what I saw:
During the recap, Jeff said that the Jalapao tribe was bonding while the Timbira tribe started to splinter.
We saw the Candace-Coach fight.
Taj from Jalapao and Brendan from Timbira went to Exile Island and agreed to work together despite being on different tribes. They shared a clue to new immunity idols.
Timbira set their sights on Sierra but, when Candace went off on Coach (we see Candace and Erinn talking) he retaliated.
At tribal council, Sierra was saved and Coach got his way.
When Jeff said “14 are left” we had isolation shots of Sierra and Erinn and then we saw the same two women walking out of Tribal council.

From Impressions to Expressions
The last Tribal Council had told us that these people still don’t know each other. Some have used their First Impressions to make friends, to make plans or to make quick judgments. This led to:
Cooperation, Collusion and Confrontation.
1- Cooperation:
Jalapao,
Day 7
The tribe was trying to catch some fish while a crocodile lurked in the background.
Stephen gave us a confessional: “We got fishing gear in the challenge yesterday and we were all so psyched. I think we all imagined that we would be feasting on plates of fish. (The camera showed 2 minnows in a pot) We’re having a lot of problems catching minnows. We’re not entirely sure how to use the net. JT thinks it’s a throw net (image of JT with the net on his head) but it seems much too big for 1 person to throw. I think we need to figure out a good system.”
After many unsuccessful attempts, JT gave us his thoughts: “It’s still not easy… This water is a little bit different then where I come from but we’ll get it under control.”
They did, with JT and Stephen shown catching a few fish with a line. Stephen commenting that it was the first fish he ever caught.
After the meal, Joe had a confessional: ‘That fish tasted just like victory. Just knowing that we got a little food, using the fishing gear the way it’s supposed to be used, I think it means we’re a force to be reckoned with right now.”
They immediately went to the reward challenge where Taj was the one shown reacting to the elimination of Candace.
With Joe guiding them through the blindfold maze, Jalapao continued to show good cooperation. As Jeff commented: “Jalapao’s worked well together from the start.”
To festive music, Jalapao led a cheer when they returned to camp.
Receiving a pat on the shoulder from Sydney, Joe was happy: “We won. We won the reward challenge today. It was awesome. We work very well together… Timbira must be struggling right now with moral. I think we put it to him pretty good today. I think we can really do some damage if we win the next challenge.”
With the rains coming in, we saw the tribe put the tarp on their roof.
JT commented: “It makes a huge difference to get a tarp because it’s hard to make a roof rain-proof at this point. They’re getting soaked and we’re staying dry. That’s going to be a big difference for the next challenge.”
Day 9 started with Jalapao waking up from a good night’s sleep.
Stephen once again had the confessional: “Last night it was cold, raining and miserable but for us it was awesome. We had the best sleep of our lives. We had our blankets, we had our new shelter and we had the knowledge that Timbira was having a miserable night so that made us all sleep pretty soundly.”
Sandy felt so great she thought she was a “sex kitten.”
JT had a confessional: “Jalapao is looking great. If Timbira doesn’t have it together, if we have them on their heels, now is the time to put them down. That’s what I’m hoping for.”
They were off to the Immunity challenge where, even if “Stephen and Sydney lost a lot of time” during the race for blocks, Jalapao worked well together to solve the staircase puzzle.
The Jalapao tribe and its Characters
This happy tribe seems ill-equipped to battle the big players on the other side. I believe the fishing expedition we saw from Jalapao was extremely symbolic. This tribe appears capable of catching minnows and small fish but they aren’t that good at strategy. They’ll throw their net but they’ll miss their target. They are going up against a tribe that is much, much fiercer, kind of like the crocodile that was lurking in the background. There is some hope for only 3 players from this tribe: Taj, JT and Stephen. We’d need to see the tribe’s dynamics to get some idea into story lines that could extend deep after the merge.
Looking at them individually:
Sydney: She has no story and nothing has been made so that we will notice her. She is simply there for the ride, to give us some nice camera shots once in a while but she will probably get developed only when it’s her turn to go.
Joe: He is much in the same boat as Sydney, a “Tourist” in the Tocantins who is used to show Jalapao’s arrogance. It wouldn’t be surprising to see him get eliminated after a twist. He shouldn’t last very much longer in the game.
Spenser: He is barely getting more lines than the first two. Stephen has taken over the narration duties for Jalapao and Spenser still has not told us how he plans to play this game. For a true fan of the show, that’s a bad sign. You know he must be thinking about strategy sometimes but those confessionals aren’t used to make an impression on us.
Sandy: From the start, she was presented as a “Dumb Player”, one that didn’t even use an opportunity to change the bad first impression she made. Nothing has been done in the last 2 episodes to change our view that she will be in danger once Jalapao goes to Tribal. She has a story that should enable her to outlast at least a couple of Jalapao’s “Tourists” but, because we haven’t seen her making moves up the pecking order, it seems she will remain a distraction. She’s a character with a story but no game.
JT: He has a very nicely crafted edit. He was the one that said he wanted to be the provider for his tribe and he’s the one given the confessionals when they catch fish and work on their shelter. JT is a character with a role and he is following his game plan. JT should last a long time in this game. For end game, I worry about his lack of strategy talk. The good guys that work hard are often portrayed that way because they get voted out right around the merge.
Stephen: None of his confessionals were crucial to the story. Besides his praise of JT, they have been so generic that everyone had to give very similar comments as the one the editors showed from Stephen. That’s a good sign for his longevity. More importantly, his confessionals usually follow or precede those by JT. The editors want to keep that pair together even if the word alliance hasn’t been mentioned. The next episode will be crucial for his chances. How will Taj’s alliance offer be portrayed? What I can say is that there hasn’t been any set-up for Taj’s pick. We know why Brendan chose Sierra: She had shared her own idol clue with him. We haven’t really seen Taj talking with Stephen yet it was Brendan who was questioned about trusting Sierra, not the other way around. For now, I take this as a bad sign for the Jalapao half of the alliance if an alliance is even formed. Stephen could be livid just like Amanda was when Parvati put her in an alliance without telling her.*
Taj Her story extended beyond that of Jalapao so, before looking at her role, lets take a look at her story on Exile Island:
2- Collusion
Taj spoke for Jalapao, sending Brendan to Exile. He told Jeff that Taj would go along.
Jeff asked Spenser if he was concerned that the same two people were going to Exile.
Maybe naïvely, Spenser answered: “It seems that both tribes are using the same strategy so I’m not entirely shocked.
When they arrived at the sand dune, Taj got the clue this time.
She revealed the clue to Brendan.
Taj had a confessional: “Brendan… he’s working right along with me, we have the same goal; we’re trying to find the idol so that we could both be safe in the long run.”
Brendan told us his plan: “When I get back to camp, I’m going to start looking immediately for the idol and the place I’m going to look is… the shelter, the tree mail area. That’s where I’ll take a peak.”
Night time came and a plan was hatched to avoid being outed if someone else came to Exile and read clues. Taj said she would prep Stephen and Brendan agreed he’d do the same with Sierra. Taj realized what that would mean, once they get to the merge.
Taj (solo): “If Brendan and I can line up our cards exactly like we want them, we will have a secret 4-way alliance that no ones knows about. It will slap them behind the head and they won’t see it coming.”
Brendan told her: “You’re the best accomplice ever.”
Taj laughed at the thought.
Taj: I thought she could be targeted for going back a second time to Exile Sand Dune but it seems that Jalapao, or at least Spenser, found it normal. Not a word was said against her at camp while she was away. I wonder what the viewer was supposed to think when she said they wouldn’t see it coming. Did you think: “She’s brilliant” or did you say: “Watch out; overconfidence is fatal in Survivor”? I think she will have time to prove to Brendan that she is the best accomplice ever but that it will serve him better than her.

3- Confrontation
Timbira,
Night 6
The episode started by showing Erinn after the council. She was telling the tribe that: “The last thing in the world I wanted to do was give Candace any idea that I was voting for her not knowing what everybody else was doing, thinking all along that this could be the very last nail in my own coffin”
Seen deep in thoughts as Erinn spoke, Sierra gave us her thoughts on the situation: “Erinn obviously didn’t see it coming for us voting Candace. And, when she did, she’s trying to back out really fast. She’s kind of panicky.”
When Debbie told her that Candace was turning on them, Erin added “I knew it wasn’t a decision I didn’t want to make lightly until I felt like I knew her pretty well. When I did, I knew I could not trust her for a second.”

Coach and Tyson were the other two shown listening. While Tyson only showed his disagreement by shaking his head, Coach gave us a confessional: “Not only did she align herself with the wrong person, Candace, she has completely insulted all of our intelligence when we came back tonight and she said I was hanging around Candace the last few days because I wanted to know what she was up to because I didn’t trust her... For her to say that to us is insulting which is why she wouldn’t have been in my alliance from the very beginning and she’s made her bed and she’s going to have to lie in it.”
It was very interesting that Debbie and Brendan were only shown on the periphery of this discussion while Jerry was totally absent. I think it indicates that the Coach/Tyson vs Erinn confrontation will be decided by the quietly observant Sierra. Brendan and Debbie would, at most, play the followers. Since this involved the 4 players from Timbira that had opening confessionals, I also think that this confrontation will be the key story of the season. Could the player who comes out on top of this confrontation also win the season?
Day 7 In Timbira started with sorrowful music, and Jerry coughing, already preparing us for the outcome.
We heard Sierra asking: “Why are we doing this? I know, a million dollars, a million dollars.”
Even if she was listening, Erinn had some more immediate concerns. In confessional: “Getting back from Tribal Council was a little weird. I think the time I spent with Candace in the last few days probably associated me a little bit with her more than I would have liked.”
(Coach’s expression told us Erinn was right to worry)
She went on: “Now I have to turn ‘girl that maybe is kind of on the outs a little bit’ into absolutely the opposite of that.”
(Brendan’s thoughtful expression could have been shown to tell us that she had hope)
Erinn added: “I think it’s really important that we win challenges so I have to go in there and I have to outperform. Do I think that I can outperform Sierra and Debbie? I think so. I’m just going to have to really, really suck it up and do it because now I feel like I’m kind of fighting for my life a little bit.”

We then saw that Jerry was having problems with his stomach which meant he couldn’t eat breakfast and had already passed on dinner.
Jerry in confessional: “…Something I ate caused my stomach to hurt real bad…I’m used to some type of situation like this when I was in Afghanistan…I never like to show weakness anywhere I go. (We saw him collecting wood with Brendan and Sierra) “While everyone is doing their normal activity, I have to pretend that I’m happy but, inside, I’m miserable. I have to fight through this. I figure another day or so I should be good.”
While he was resting in the shelter, Erinn asked him how he felt and he answered: “Mama said there would be days like this”.
The reward challenge didn’t go too well for Timbira:
We saw that Debbie was often at a loss.
Brendan and Jerry made Jeff laugh while “they were doing their own thing”.
Coach said: “Tyson is going to lead, you follow me”, Debbie wanted Tyson to start heading back but Jerry wasn’t ready so they were moving “in slow motion”.
Now leading the file, Brendan asked: “Can anybody hear her.”
Sierra wanted to know if they needed only 1 more bucket of water but Debbie didn’t know since she couldn’t see it. (Ironic since she was the only one without a blindfold!)
Finally, Tyson said: “I don’t know where everybody is” as Jeff said: “Timbira really blowing this challenge.”
In the end, as Jalapao celebrated, Coach let out a primal scream.
As they were heading back to camp, Coach had a confessional: We have to turn it around for every reason imaginable: Pride, the rewards, the anger that I’m feeling. Winners find a way to win. Losers find a way to lose. We have to get it together.”

Just as they arrived in camp, we heard Coach ask what happened and the camera showed Debbie not saying anything.
Coach had another confessional: “I let out a scream at the end of the challenge, a primal yell (Sierra and Erinn shown) that was about the quarter of what I felt because I was so pissed off. (Erinn said they couldn’t give in to the anger) “I was totally embarrassed. There’s no other word for it: We were humiliated.”
With Sierra and Tyson shown looking in and Jerry once more left out of the scene, we saw the tribe discussing the challenge.
Debbie told the tribe: “I feel like I let everybody down… It’s not because we’re not all trying…”
Erinn, having a hard time to put in a word, reassured her: “No, no, no.”
With Debbie showing weakness, Coach said: “There’s nothing about trying. The last thing that we should do, and I beg all of you, is not go off in groups and say “Man! Erinn really screwed up today or Debbie screwed up. That would be the worst thing we could do.”
So, immediately, Coach went off with Tyson to award blame: “People are just panicked in the challenge. Did you see Sierra? She screamed: “Haaaa! I can’t hear.” Every time. Who’s worse? Is it Erinn? Is it Sierra? Obviously, I want to get rid of Erinn immediately.”
Tyson had a confessional: “One word to describe Coach, that’s it: “Coach”. He’s not always the best at what he’s coaching but he thinks he knows the most. I think he likes his voice to be heard which is what we all want and need… You know what; when he told me I was like his assistant coach, more power to me. He has a schoolboy crush on me. People see that (Erinn shown). He loves me so if I keep on plugging away, I’ll eventually make coach. He will promote me. I don’t know if I’ll have my own team or we’ll be co-coach but people are going to start calling me that. I’m actually going to demand it. If we ever get put on different tribes in this game, I will demand that the other tribe calls me coach too.”
As the rains came, the mood wasn’t all bad in Timbira. Erinn was finding a way to laugh and Coach commented: “I don’t care about comfort. No shelter, I’ll bury myself in the sand, I’ll get eaten by tarantulas, bitten by snakes. I don’t care for anything else except winning this game.”
During the immunity challenge, “Sierra and Tyson made up a lot of time” but Jerry was hurting and Erinn, who was “leading her tribe”, couldn’t figure it out. After the loss, Jerry said: “I’m through, I’m finished.”
As Jeff said: “Momentum has definitely shifted”, we saw Coach’s expression; he was fuming.
Jerry had a confessional: “I feel a great deal responsible for our loss today because I couldn’t give it my all. I’m weak. My stomach feels so bad it’s like there are two boxers in there boxing around. I think everybody’s looking at me thinking “Jerry’s isn’t getting any better, he’s probably the weakest link on our tribe’ so we need to get rid of him”.”
We saw Erinn’s expression during that confessional and she looked worried.
In camp, Erinn and Debbie showed concern for Jerry who was resting in the shelter.
Jerry was putting up a brave front: “I’m trying to endure, I’m trying to tough it out the best I can. I’m not going to quit though that’s for sure. I’m not a quitter. They’ll have to vote me out, I’m not giving up.”
However, birds of prey were assembling and the tribe was down by the river discussing the situation:
Erinn said “I think we had a communication breakdown. I can’t figure out what it was”
Brendan tried to be reassuring while Debbie pointed out they were only 1 member behind.
Brendan asked what was wrong with Jerry; Debbie told him that he couldn’t eat the beans.
Brendan then said: “Alright, well that makes it easy.”
We were then shown Erinn smiling, an expression that caught Coach’s eye.
In confessional, Coach said: “The most unfortunate thing about this whole situation was that, as soon as Erinn realized that Jerry was that sick, she turned around and (again we saw Erinn with a large grin while Coached looked away in disgust) looked at the tribe with the evil snear, kinda like (he mimicked her) “I’m staying!”
Once more, Coach was quick to put blame as he talked with Tyson: “The look on Erinn’s face. I’m so pissed off. When she saw Jerry, it registered that she was still staying, she went, I’m not kidding you, I practiced her look, she went (and he mimicked her again) It was the evilest look, I can’t stand it.”
Tyson said he wanted Jerry to stay strong so that they could get rid of her.
Coach had a confessional: “I think my relationship with Tyson started out: Head Coach/Assistant Coach. If he’s my right hand man, if he’s my general, I want to make sure that we are clear with our orders. We’re still going with Erinn so Debbie and Sierra, those are who I’m going to have to talk to.”
Those 3 went for a walk and Sierra said that Erinn knew she was going home if Jerry wasn’t sick. Coach said that he wants to surround himself with people that have integrity, that he couldn’t exist with people like Erinn. He arrogantly added: “You can because you socialize with them. I am so true that existing around people that smile evilly when somebody else is on their knees; kills me… I can’t look at her”
Sierra had a confessional: “Coach is definitely pissed about voting off Jerry but I am honestly not going to sever off another limb so that we could get our vendettas against Erinn. In the beginning, when they saw me sick and they saw me weak, they were going to vote me out. So, as much as I have grown to like and be fond of Jerry, I’m not going to be stupid.
Tyson was trying to keep Jerry strong. He told her that the vote was going to be Erinn since she was with Candace.
Brendan went looking for the idol and found it hidden on the statue next to tree-mail. He had a confessional to explain his search, the important part of which happened as he hid the idol under a rock: “It all worked out, the plan worked which was perfect. When I think about business, it wasn’t about money and even Survivor isn’t about money. I love playing games, competing and winning them. So, as long as you focus on things you love and you’re playing the right way, good things happen. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.”
Timbira had a meal before Tribal. Somber music accompanied the dinner.
Erinn had a confessional: “You don’t want to be like “hey everybody, Jerry’s sick” but you kinda want to be “Hey everybody, Jerry’s sick.” Trying to wrestle with all these options about how you bring it up delicately, how you make it look like you’re not trying to throw somebody under the bus, that you’re trying to save your own ass, because every time you send someone home who doesn’t want to be here, it leaves a place for someone who does. And, I want to be here so “see you, Jerry.”
She waved Bye-bye and when Jerry said that, with a cheeseburger, he’d be back on top, we saw Erinn with what was an expression of disappointment.
Tyson had a confessional: “I think Jerry’s illness has put a couple of eyeballs on him. If he’s in pain and he can’t compete in the challenges, if he’s the weak link, then he’s the one to go. But, anytime there’s a blindside; it’s pretty awesome. Just the look on somebody’s face… I think Erinn wants to be here so, so bad that, her getting blindsided would look really cool. I love to see people cry when you crush their dreams.”
Tribal:
Asked about the momentum shift, Tyson "Momentum is extremely important. We got arrogant and they’re on a high right now and we're on a low. It doesn't take much to regain momentum just a win then it can flip flop pretty fast"

Jeff mentioned that Erinn had a plan but it wasn’t followed
Erinn "That's exactly what happened. I said this piece goes here, everybody said that's not right. People panicked and we all did nothing… It was just frustrating"
Asked about the group’s communication, Brendan answered: "I think we communicate very well.”
Jerry wasn’t convinced: "For today's challenge, if we had a controlling person to say you got it… but that didn't happen. We just need to establish a leader.
Jeff had to ask who it should be
Jerry: "I think it should be Brendan". (The editor loved that so much that we heard a cymbal crash and the camera went from Brendan to Coach)
Coach had to intervene: "Being the devil's advocate; say Brendan's the leader, he has to take the reins. I'm not suggesting that I am the leader but on the truck I was making eye contact with everybody and the reason why it worked so smoothly was because I basically told everybody with my eyes to get what they needed to get" (The camera showed that Erinn was as surprised to hear that as the viewer.)
Jeff said he should be leader then.
Coach "Well absolutely, I'd love to be the leader, that's what I’m used to be doing"
Jeff noted the reactions we saw from Erinn
Erinn "I think it's a role that Coach is used to. It's a role he would love but something that Brendan does better"
(Brendan was smiling)
Unlike the audience, Coach wasn’t amused: "Again I'm not criticizing Brendan but we lost three challenges in a row and for her to be so quick to say that I think it comes more to a personality clash between us 2"
Erinn, smiling: "I didn't know we had a personality clash. You have these great ideas but I don't ever see you saying more than I have this great idea but you guys do whatever you’re going to do"
She then agreed with Jeff that Coach is passive aggressive
Jeff asks Coach if it was hard to hear:
Coach "It's not about ego because I'd rather tow the lie and be a good assistant coach than try to be a head coach and stroke my ego (Brendan is shown laughing again) What I was doing was, I was justifying why I should be the leader and why I registered surprise when Erinn said it’s Brendan" ( but Jerry said Brendan first!)
Jerry told Jeff that the vote would make the tribe stronger.
Coach went to vote, we saw a pensive Sierra and then Erinn voted.
Sierra and Debbie were seen giving a pat on the arm to Jerry as he left, waving him good-bye along with Erinn and then the camera focused on Sierra’s sad expression.
Revealing the 7-1 vote against Jerry, Jeff left the tribe ponder whether the vote accomplished that. Coach’s laugh told us what he thinks about that, Erinn threw him a look and the camera showed Sierra picking up her canteen as she headed out.
Timbira and its Characters
The game is certainly front and center in this tribe. Of course, so much conflict could lead to the tribe crumbling but the editors have invested so much time on these characters that I believe the winner will be found in Timbira.
Jerry: The first question in finding the winner is determining if Jerry was a “Victim”. Normally, a victim is shown a lot early on so that the audience can connect with their plight. Jerry had a very small role up to now. This real life Hero was treated with dignity by Survivor. Burnett must have loved to hear that, despite going to Afghanistan, this was the hardest thing Jerry had ever done. If Jerry was a victim, the story showed that he was a victim of the elements not any player on Timbira plotting behind his back. Voting him out had to be done and everyone voted Jerry even if the need for suspense made it look like Coach and Tyson in particular would never vote against him.
Debbie: She’s still left out of the story line. She’s Timbira’s only “Tourist”. It could be a good sign that no attention was brought by the other players on her performance during the blindfold challenge but she brought the viewers’ attention on it. Again, her role in the RC loss wasn’t talked about at tribal but the question of communication had to remind the viewer of her failure.
Coach: He’s an editor’s dream. He builds the story, he openly goes after the others, he tells them not to do something then he does it. He set himself up for a downfall like few others have done. It was very funny to hear him say that the last thing to do was go off in little groups to put blame on others and then see him doing just that with Tyson. Coach has set his sights on Erinn but I believe she will outlast him.
Tyson: He continues to have a good presence. It’s good that we saw him standing so strongly behind the “Hero” but I think that showing him being so close to Coach, to the point of wanting to be co-coach, killed his chances of winning this game. His role will be to be a “Villain” who will probably get to crush some people’s dream but will see his own crushed also. In my opinion, he displayed too much arrogance, too much vindictiveness, to be portrayed as a winner.
Erinn: The confrontation she had with Coach at Tribal was one of my favorite moments ever. It was Judd vs Margaret but without the yelling and without the victim of the bully getting the boot. We see why Erinn was shown during the truck ride: Her battles against Coach should be the story of the season. What kind of mess did this hairstylist get into! Despite that, it seems to me that she will win the war against Coach. Can she win the season? I believe not because we did see her grinning at Jerry’s illness. It was good that she got to explain her motives, that she told us that she wanted to be there but I’m not sure it was enough to salvage her character. I do believe that she could be there at the end however and have to answer to the jury.
The Contenders
As noted, it’s hard to asses the Jalapao top players, Taj, Stephen and JT, before we see more of that tribe’s dynamics but I see two top contenders for now:
Brendan: He has been put in a battle for leadership against Coach. He has had many players come to him to establish working relationships. His secret alliance with Taj was presented in a better light for him than it was for her. I noted that Brendan’s vote against Jerry wasn’t shown while the sergeant gave us his last words. Was it to protect Brendan from the stigma of voting against the Hero or was it simply an editing mistake? It’s impossible to tell right now but it has to be kept in mind. When considering his chances of winning we have to remember that he had no opening confessionals and he made very little impressions on the viewers in the first episode. It is also of note that he was the one to say that, Jerry being sick, “that makes it easy then”. As he said, Brendan should play a good game but he could come short of the money as he said he wasn't playing for the money.
The Case for Sierra:
She had the type of episode I was waiting for; one in which she isn’t at the heart of the story. She still got some important confessionals and a lot of camera shots. Note that all those shots present her as a very pensive player. She’s shown between Coach and Erinn, during the first scene, again when Coach talked about Erinn’s evil expression and twice at tribal council: Between Coach and Erinn’s vote and after they reacted to Jeff’s final words.
Sierra wasn’t completely removed from the “decision” of voting out Jerry but her confessional showed that she cared for him and she reflected on her own situation. Most importantly, she was the one shown feeling sad after Jerry gave them a last wave.
That brings me to editing of Tribal Council:
-I think it was very telling that, during the recap, we saw isolation shots of Erinn and Sierra and then the two walking out together. It looked like a rehearsal for Final TC.
-In a very volatile Tribal Council, one in which the cameras love to give us reaction shots, we never had an isolation shot of Sierra. She was the only one not seen reacting to Jeff’s probing and the players’ responses. In such a negative council for Timbira, putting her above the fray this way could be a great sign.
I’ll say we could have a Sierra vs Erinn F2: One where the “Sweetheart” (Coach’s words) goes against the “b*tch” (Tyson’s words). Sierra already told us that she is here for the million.

*Did anyone read "Lividmanda", a very funny cartoon of the Micronesia season done by a poster at Sucks?

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36. "RE: Episode 3 Editing"

And considering how the early theme involved changing someone's first impression about you, I certainly can see Sierra as the winner of Survivor Tocantins. I'd be thrilled if she won, since she started out so badly thanks to sickness.
And speaking of sickness, I'd say Jerry was a victim, but of the elements, not of the players themselves.
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37. "RE: Episode 3 Editing"

Very good point... that's the theme of the season, and I wouldn't be surprised that they made a bigger deal out of Sierra's illness than it actually was in the first episode if it turns out that she is in the F2.
Talk about the ultimate redemption from a negative first impression! There's no way she could blow it in the final vote if she keeps it simple in her speech to the jury and casually reminds them of the odds she overcame from that first impression, yet was willing to dig in and set up camp rather than going to search for the HII. How could she lose after that?

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39. "RE: Episode 3 Editing"

Oh, there are quite a few ways she could lose a couple of votes at least, but if she reminds them of how she overcame the bad first impression by being willing to dig in and set up camp, she'll probably not lose enough votes.
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31. "RE: Tyson vs. Coach"

On Coach:
He is so full of himself. And he's full of himself like Richard Hatch was.
I hate to overthink Jeff's comments because I wonder if he just spits these things out or is there more thought involved. Anyway he says "full of himself like Richard Hatch was". Hatch was entirely full of himself, but he seemed very aware of what was going on around him. Coach is his own world and seemingly ignorant of the real feelings about him despite hearing things like his tribe saying that Brendan is/should be the leader and Jeff calling him on his ego issue. Not a clue.
I just don't think Tyson was serious when he said he wanted to be called coach by anyone. I think Tyson may not believe he has someone like Coach to mess with, the perfect straight man. He may even be seeing how far he can go with this. Tyson said something to the effect that he was going to get in people's heads in his meet Tyson video if I remember correctly. Coach is the perfect candidate because he's completely at the mercy of his own ego and to me it looks like Tyson is having a ball.
You could be right on the money with your thinking I'm no judge of winners edits or if Tyson lasts they could be taking their time developing his many layers. I wonder if anyone will get a handle on Tyson I think he has the ability to read people and to present himself the way people think they see him. He's a real interesting person.
All in all I have a track record for being way off base. It's a gift.

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32. "Entrance to TC, and seating arrangements"

I remember Tina saying years ago that she likes to watch who is sitting by whom at TC as an indication of possible alliances. But the entrances may also tell a story. Ben lead to Timbiras first TC and had been promoting himself as the leader, while Brandon lead the group on the second fireside chat with JP. Jerry revealed Brandon as the true leader in the 3rd ep, and the facial reactions seem to confirm this statement. Ben wants to be leader – head coach – but he looks like an example of the classical comment that … “ those that can’t do … coach.”
Coming to counsel – 1st time, 2nd ep.
The parade is lead by Ben, followed by Erinn then Jerry, the rest of the entrance is not shown. The sitting order is women in the front with men at the back. From JP we see Sierra, Erinn, Debbie and Candace, the back row is Ben, Jerry, Brandon, Tyson. Voting order is shown as: Tyson (back row, farthest from JP – always first to vote), Candace, Debbie, Sierra, Jerry, Brandon, Erinn, and the untrusting Ben – carrying his coat … I wonder if he sleeps under that coat for warmth, or if it’s all for show? The order shown when Candace is giving her exit speech: Sierra, Ben, Erinn, Jerry (voting for Candance), Candace, Tyson, Debbie and Brandon – which seems to me to be more editing than order.
Coming to counsel – 2nd time, 3rd ep.
Although the entrance is not shown the order of entrance appears to be Brandon, Debbie, Jerry, and Sierra as they walk to the place where they place their torches, then a cutaway to JP, followed by Tyson and then Ben planting their torches before Ben sits down indicating the entrance is complete. The order of sitting is: front row, from closest to JP, Debbie, Sierra, Erinn, and back row of Brandon, Jerry, Tyson and Ben. The shown voting order is: Ben, Erinn, Debbie, Brandon, Jerry, Tyson, Sierra. However, the order shown when Jerry is giving his exit speech is Ben, Erinn, Tyson, Sierra, Jerry, Debbie, and Brandon – which makes better sense according to the seating plan, but may only be a matter of editing.

Observing who is sitting by who isn’t really clear as it is women in front, men behind and they switched places from 1st visit to 2nd visit. In the first TC Sierra sat in front of Ben, indicating that he was protecting her, while in the second TC Erinn sat in front of Ben – ‘keep your enemies closer?’ – while Debbie sat the farthest away. Maybe Ben and Debbie are trying to hide their alliance.
I doubt that the order of sitting debunks Tina’s theory, the next couple of visits, and after merge may be more telling. I am curious to see how they enter on their next TC.
Incidentally, Jalapoa’s order of entrance appeared to be: Sydney, Stephen, and Carolina, then Taj was shown, but probably Taj's entrance was just edited that way. The seating order was: front row – Sydney, Carolina, Sandy, Taj; back row – Stephen, Joe, Spencer and JT. I suspect some changes will be made by their second visit and alliances become firmer. Interesting that Ben, then Brandon lead Timbira into TC; while JT sat in the farthest seat from JP, and may have been the last to enter but is considered the leader at Jalapoa.

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38. "Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps"

There were some vidcaps in the latest promo that I felt compelled to post in here...very fitting...
First of all the entire promo is about the cross-tribal alliance of Brendan/Taj/Stephen/Sierra...the voice over asks is it brilliant, OR, a recipe for disaster....Right smack in the promo we have these two frames of our boot choice for the week, featured smack dab in the middle...

Then, we have this frame, where our buffer Sierra is positioned right smack dab in the middle of Coach and his nemesis, Erinn...

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40. "RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps"

suzzee - I enjoy your views as well
You present a good case for Sydney going. What would be the reason though? Is it that her "flirt" tactics she finally is shown talking about ends up hurting her, poor performances in challenges compared to Sandy
Pay me no mind with respect to “weekly” boot candidates; I leave that to those more talented. Both ladies’ edit are not very thriving for end game in my opinion and if not for the fact that the challenge footage was manipulated last week, an emphasis on “story” this week (I’ve never been for secure when someone is highlighted solely for flirting with nothing else) and her sudden push in the previews, logic dictates Sandy would be the one to leave. Then again, we have seen illogical moves in this game so nothing truly surprises me.
fp - would it not be wonderful for those who enjoy guessing weekly boots to be able to see the first minutes of each show; over the seasons, the editors have progressively set the stage for what is to unfold that episode and I always enjoy how they manage to keep things just a bit out of reach in order for the audience to be not quite so sure at Tribal Council. Your detective skills on Jeff’s words and the camera on Sydney - nicely done! That would just be another “nugget” to add to Sydney but again, I leave that to those of you who are much better at figuring out immediate boots I agree with you that Coach is an emotional player and having attempted to identify certain types of players in the past, emotional playing is not the best formula (but the ride may be fun!) Clinical, UTR and Head of Household playing tend to fare better if other ingredients are added. As you state, Sierra is playing clinically which was emphasized even in the first episode; despite how she felt about being “voted” she kept that in check to change her possible fate.
Talk about the ultimate redemption from a negative first impression! There's no way she could blow it in the final vote if she keeps it simple in her speech to the jury and casually reminds them of the odds she overcame from that first impression, yet was willing to dig in and set up camp rather than going to search for the HII. How could she lose after that?
Indeed
sol - very interesting! I always assumed that their Tribal Council placement was left at the hands of production (for their own reasons) and did not know Tina had said this - I would love to see what does happen with this (especially after the merger)

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41. "RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps"

I always assumed that their Tribal Council placement was left at the hands of production (for their own reasons) and did not know Tina had said this - I would love to see what does happen with this (especially after the merger)
VS -- KObrienFan, who has become privy to much inside info on the workings of the show, did confirm awhile back that the contestants are assigned seats at Tribal Council by the production crew. It's true that Tina had said to watch who sits with whom, so probably back in her day they weren't doing that, but now they are.

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42. "RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps"

Thanks for the update Brownroach. Does production also dictate order of entry?
As I noted Ben lead Timbiri in the first time they had TC, and Brandon the second time. Ben thinks he is the leader, while the others see Brandon as the leader.
When I have watched groups of people I have noticed there is usually one person who is the definite leader, someone else that is "assistant coach", then a third and then the true follower. If four young men sit in a car, if the leader owns the car he will always drive; if he doesn't own the car, he will always sit in the passenger seat. The order will follow with 2nd in the passenger seat, 3rd behind the passenger seat and 4th behind the driver. If they enter a room the leader goes in first, followed in order. Facial expressions also indicate the order within the group. The leader is a chest out, confident person, the follower has a somewhat 'nervous' look. Although there are leaders who follow, as if to protect the rear.
My thought is that the order that they enter TC, and perhaps going to challenges as well, is a sub-conscious pecking order. The strongest in front and at the rear, with the weaker - most likely to exit early or be carried for their vote - in the middle.

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43. "RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps"

Does production also dictate order of entry?
Not sure on that, sol.

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44. "RE: Episode 3 Editing"

I just got the chance to read all the recent posts, and as always enjoyed VS, Michel and Flower Power's detailed looks at the editing, and everybody's comments and insight. What stood out for me, that I haven't seen mentioned, is that the editors have not shown us why everyone seems to be following Ben. Even Tyler, who did seem to be mocking Coach a bit, only wanted to be co-Coach, if Coach didn't 'give him his own team'. We've seen that they don't consider him the leader, but Jeff has said, "Coach gets his way" which makes me feel that his is a leader not only in his own mind, but to a degree, in reality as well. I just find it interesting that his edit is somewhat negative and goofy at the same time (with the music and people laughing at him in TC) but there must be something positive he's doing/saying or people would be talking about him like they did Ace, with his arrogance at his own superiority. Sorry to ramble on and not make a succinct point; I'm very new to this analyzing stuff.

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45. "RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps"

>VS -- KObrienFan, who has become
>privy to much inside info
>on the workings of the
>show, did confirm awhile back
>that the contestants are assigned
>seats at Tribal Council by
>the production crew. It's
>true that Tina had said
>to watch who sits with
>whom, so probably back in
>her day they weren't doing
>that, but now they are.
To clarify, Tina said this during S3 Africa specifically to watch how people were interacting together in camp and where they were sitting in relation to each other, etc. She did mention to watch where they sit at TC, but I don't think that was an emphasis point with her - camp dynamics and shooting the breeze around the campfire were a more accurate predictor of who were secretly allying with whom.

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53. "RE: Episode 4 Promo Vidcaps"

LAST EDITED ON 03-09-09 AT 07:27 PM (EST)
I remember quite well when Tina said this -- she most definitely was not referring to TC -- she was talking about shots during the episode -- and she recommended watching who is sitting next to each other, around the campfire, while eating, or while walking next to each other on the way to a challenge, etc. Who is "friends" with whom.
Edited to add...should have read the next posting by PepeLP before submitting this! sorry...

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46. "Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

During the recap, Jeff said that Timbira had the early advantage…
Taj and Brendan formed a secret cross-tribal alliance with plans to include…Stephen and… Sierra.
Jalapao won the next immunity challenge… they went on to gain a clear advantage.
Timbira tried to solve their problems by choosing a leader which angered Coach who thought he was in charge. Erinn disagreed.
Erinn’s conflict with Coach almost got her voted out but Jerry was sent home for being weakened by his illness.
Can Timbira put aside their differences to make a comeback?
With 4 episodes in the books, it’s a good time to see how the Themes we’ve been discussing have evolved and where the story is leading us.
The first Theme was: “First Impressions are Very Important in this Game” with its corollary: “You Have to Fight Hard to Change the Impressions You’ve Made.”
This theme was presented by Jeff in his opening speech to the viewers and the players. Because it comes from Jeff, I take it to mean that the winner will somehow be portrayed to follow this guideline. The First Impression they made was probably negative but they will somehow overcome it. At the limit, it could be someone that made no real impression at first but has constantly improved since.
The second important Theme is “Survival of the Strongest” and its corollary: “A Warrior Prays to Find a Worthy Opponent.”
This theme was brought to us by Coach who has become quite the False Oracle. Some may try to see who that worthy opponent is. I take it to mean that the winner will likely be someone that Coach sees as unworthy but the viewers will see otherwise.
The Theme of First Impressions has evolved naturally as we get to know these players and they get to know each other. We saw them first form pairs and then some groups cooperated well together while others were confronted with difficulties. This latest chapter could have been titled:
Relationships
It seemed that Coach couldn’t wait to talk to the camera after Tribal: “Erinn and I got into an argument about the leadership on the tribe. She said Brendan is the better leader but she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. It pissed me off and made me think that Erinn’s got to go because Erinn is the cancer of the tribe. She would have been voted out tonight, almost unanimously if it hadn’t been for Jerry coming down sick.”
Brendan started Day 10 by convening Timbira to a pow-wow. He told them: “It was great that Jeff brought it up. If Coach wants to do it, if Tyson wants to do it, I’m totally on board. I think, as a group, we all need to decide what works best, make that decision and then be done with it.”
Tyson listened in to the pow-wow and then had a confessional: “Last night at tribal, we established a leader. I guess Brendan or Coach is the leader. I don’t know, I wasn’t paying attention, I don’t really care.”
Coach admitted that everyone, including himself, trusted Brendan as the leader.
Coach in confessional: “If Brendan got voted off and I was the leader, I think this tribe would be better. (Really?!?!) I don’t want to vote Brendan off because that’s my M.O. I want iron that sharpens iron.”
Erinn was heard doing some damage control by telling Coach that she didn’t mean to say he wouldn’t be a good leader.
Coach’s confessional continued: “There’s only one experienced person out here as far as being in the outdoors. That would be me. These people here are new kids on the block. (Erinn, Debbie and Sierra shown) What they’ve been doing is not succeeding, not thriving but existing. If you look at me, you look at Brendan; who looks stronger? I do. (I don’t think a single audience member would have given that answer!) We need to thrive, not just exist and I think the difference is that I’ve been here and they haven’t.”
Day 10 started in Jalapao with Spenser’s confessional: “When Taj goes to Exile, I think we’re all concerned with how she’s holding up. It definitely wore her down to be out there, to be in the elements with no food, no water, nobody to trust. We’re all concerned about the toll it’s going to take in the long run.”
Not the least diminished, Taj was making plans: “Brendan and I have our secret alliance (how ironic after we’ve just heard that she had no one to trust) so I have to talk to Stephen because I trust him. He’s kind of like the nerdy shy guy who wants to help everybody. I know I can depend on him in the long run.”
Stephen brought a canteen to Taj who was resting. Informed that she wanted to talk, Stephen joined Taj for a walk in the woods.
(Two owls were shown as if chatting, Survivor’s way of using animal imagery to underline the importance of a scene.)
Taj told Stephen about the cross-tribal alliance and how it could be the biggest upset in Survivor history. She added that the immediate plan was to pick Sierra to go to Exile and she’d pick Stephen. Taj added that she would protect Stephen.
Stephen in confessional: “Taj, apparently, is aligned with Brendan and Sierra in the other tribe. They made a pact on Exile Island to stick with each other, stay in the game for as long as we can and look out for each other once we get to the merge. So, I might just have stumbled #####-backwards into a huge alliance.”
We were back at Timbira for tree mail.
After hearing the message, Sierra told her tribe that someone would be exiled for 2 days
Brendan had a confessional: “When Taj and I went to exile, we set up the alliance. Me with Sierra and Taj with Stephen but I didn’t communicate that I had the alliance yet because I haven’t had a chance to talk to Sierra yet so she doesn’t know about the plan and that could be a pretty heinous situation.”

The Challenge:
With Survival of the Strongest being a theme, looking at what the camera underlines during challenges becomes more important this season:
Coach told Jeff that Sierra would sit the reward challenge which tells us she hasn’t completely changed his opinion regarding her strength.
Brendan was the first player that received focus because that’s who Jalapao went after. The camera stayed long enough on him that we could appreciate his effort. Interestingly, it was Taj who we heard saying that Brendan was wobbling during the challenge and it was her happy reaction that we saw when he let the pole drop.
Encouraged by his tribe to beat Rupert’s old record, JT held up a long time in the reward challenge, being called “The Strongest Man Alive” by Sydney.
As they left the challenge, we once more heard Sydney saying: “Good job baby.”
Tyson looked weak in the challenge but nothing was emphasized.
For someone who looked like the biggest guy there, Joe dropped out of the challenge with barely more weight than Taj and Debbie held. We also saw that the effort hurt his left shoulder as he grimaced after letting the pole drop, the camera lingering on his reaction.
Debbie’s frailty compared to Taj was highlighted by the challenge but it showed her determination. We also heard Jeff say: “Debra, the last remaining Timbira member in this challenge.” Recognizing a worthy opponent, Taj came over to give her a hug telling her she had done a hell of a job. That made Debbie smile.
When Jeff noted that: “Suddenly this challenge has come down to the women” we saw Taj’s strength. With a close-up of the sweat rolling down her forehead to make us feel her effort, Taj won the reward challenge for Jalapao.
Picked by Taj to go to exile, Sierra quickly turned around and said: “Good, cause I’m taking you.” Taj reacted by calling Sierra a “witch” and Stephen reacted with incredulity on his face.
Seeing this, Brendan had another confessional: “Today, I didn’t get a chance to speak to Sierra. I’m glad she picked Taj. I Hope Taj will be able to explain enough about the situation to, hopefully, work things out.”
Leaving the challenge area, Coach had a confessional: “My biggest concern when we lost the challenge today was that they will clean out our food supply and then we’re going to go downhill. We’ll be nothing as a tribe in 3 or 4 days with these people only eating rice.”
Back in Timbira, the tribe was trying to figure out what the raiders would take.
Erinn, after contradicting Coach once more about what they have of value, had the confessional: “We get back to camp and we know there’s two people on their way over from Jalapao to raid our camp, take whatever they want and we know they’re after the beans. All we are thinking is what else we can convince them that they should take.”
Joe and JT arrived to the applause of Brendan. The hug Debbie gave JT was underlined and it seemed important that we see Joe and Tyson exchanging a handshake while introducing each other.
Tyson reacted: “It felt a little weird having those two guys from the other tribe come in. You want to be on good terms because you probably will be living with them in the future but, in the back of your mind, you’re thinking, I want to punch these guys in the head.”
While Joe and JT checked out the “store” Debbie warned them: “Just remember; you may end up over here sometime.”
We had a close-up of a worried Erinn as the guys looked at the bags of beans. Debbie enticed them to a can of water.
Brendan thanked them for leaving a sack of beans behind.
Before they left, we saw Joe hug Brendan while Coach and Debbie hug JT.
JT had a confessional: “I think it was smart idea not to take both sacks of beans because you have to look forward in this game. There could be a switch at any time and if I was to end up over there in the Timbira tribe with no beans cause I just stole both sacks, I’d be pissed.”
(Note that not a single word was heard from Coach while the editing made it look like the good idea to take only one sack came from Erinn and Debbie)
Explaining the vote:
(This segment doesn’t usually tell us much about the future because it’s about setting up the end of this episode but we always have to pay attention)
Stephen and Sandy were happy to see the raiders coming back until Debbie heard they left one bag of beans: “Why do you want to leave them food?”
They explained the possible switch but Sandy wasn’t buying while Stephen looked puzzled.
Sandy in confessional: “If they are thinking strategy, I don’t think it’s the right strategy. It’s like you have 100 guns, let’s take 75 of them, you can have 25 and maybe be able to have a shot at us.” She gave a look that meant: How dumb is that?
When JT started cooking the beans, Sandy told everyone they were “farting beans” which led to a confessional by Sydney: “Sandy K is starting to get on my nerves. As crazy as she is, she’s starting to repeat everything about 3 times. It’s starting to wear on everybody, not just me.”
Spenser wanted to slap Sandy while, as Sydney was parading around camp, Joe had other ideas: “What’s up, hottest Survivor chick this season?”
Sydney corrected them, her words shown on screen: “Sierra’s a pretty cute one though.”
Joe said: “She’s kind of angry.”
Sandy commented: “If I was choosing who was leaving this tribe next, it would be Sydney. Sydney is using everything she has, from head to toe to enchant every one of the boys. (Sydney shown smiling and winking) She runs around in their boxers, doesn’t sleep in her bra at night and she is up against the boys 24/7. Trust me, she’s playing this game hard and it’s working. They love her to death.
(JT was indeed enjoying a massage from the “Hottest Survivor”)
Sandy went on: “I still think they can see through it but they still like the package. If you want them to write your name down, you better be doing something more than pulling off your bra, you better be pulling off panties or something. I may have to trick her another way. I can’t outwit her with the body so I may have to outwit her with the brain.”
At Exile Island, Taj received the clue which confirmed that the idol was around tree mail.
She went to take a walk with Sierra and asked: “When Brendan got back, he didn’t talk to you about anything at all.”
When Sierra said no, Taj added in confessional: “I was talking to Sierra down the road to see where her head was at and, apparently, Brendan never had a chance to fill her in on the plan. So, I’ll have to fill her in on everything.”
To Sierra, she said: “Here’s the deal: No one knows that you and Brendan are cool on your side, no one knows that Steve and I are cool on my side. Once we get the two idols, we basically have security to the merge and once we get to the merge, we’ll have a secret 4 way alliance that no one knows about and you can’t break up. This way, we can watch each others back. When somebody is trying to blindside one of us, we can warn him. We can take other people out without them knowing it.”
(Why did the camera show us a close-up of Taj holding up just a stick???)
With a faint smile, Sierra told Taj: “I just got goose bumps. It’s awesome.”
In confessional, Sierra said: “This is an absolutely amazing plan. It just feels great that I built an alliance with Brendan, that I chose the right person who is smart enough to form this alliance, to create this awesome foursome ruling all the idols. I started at the bottom of the food chain, I climbed my way to the middle and now I’m at the top, baby!”
Taj added: “My concern is to get to the final four which will be you, me, Steve and Brendan. Are you game?”
(As always, when a final grouping like this is mentioned it rarely makes its way intact to the end which makes me wonder about the person who stated that particular order.)
Sierra responded with a high five, saying: “I’m game.”
Clapping her hands, Taj said: “Team Secret is in place!”
Day 11 started in Timbira with a crocodile grabbing a fish that had washed up on shore.
Erinn was asking if there was anything they should be doing.
Tyson simply answered that they should: “Rest, eat, drink and be merry”
Erinn said that it sounded great.
Debbie returned from the beach saying that she had just been lying in the water.
(This tells me Debbie isn’t aware that dangerous predators are around her!)
Debbie had her first confessional of the season: “Today is just a relaxation fun day. We’re going to enjoy it, not having a lot of work to do. We need to play, to laugh and have a little bit of fun because if you start feeling down out here all the different doors start opening. I miss my family, I miss my husband, I miss my children. So, we’ve got to keep each other up.”
That’s when Tyson decided to start a new fashion craze. Coach found it insane (which says a lot!) Debbie was doubled up in laughter, saying she couldn’t breathe.
Very interestingly, this is when the editors decided to show that Erinn was opening some doors. She was in the shelter, deep in thoughts. From the audio, it seems that two woman voices were laughing and commenting on Tyson’s “Unga-Bunga” and Erinn wasn’t seen in the shelter shot we had when Tyson walked by which means the image of Erinn in the shelter wasn’t taken from this time period.
Erinn in confessional: “I don’t know what it is but I’m having a tough time finding a connection to these people. (Tyson, Debbie and Coach shown while Brendan was nowhere to be seen) Before I came out here, I went through a really terrible break-up. I can’t carry on normal conversations with people anymore. It makes it hard to talk about everything because it’s going to come up and (tearing up) this is what happens when it comes up and (trying to laugh through it) I don’t want to do this out here.”
Tyson, with the machete in hand, seemed to be watching Erinn.
He had a confessional: “For the most part, I’ve written Erinn off. I mean, I haven’t talked to her one on one about anything, she doesn’t hang around the tribe a lot plus I think she’ll be really upset when she gets voted off. I’d like to see her freak out at tribal. I think that would be fun.”
The Immunity Challenge:
Points of emphasis were:
Sydney and Stephen saying they missed Taj
Brendan and Sierra hugged.
Sydney was alright with “giving it up” at Jeff’s request!
Taj sitting out because she couldn’t run.
During the challenge:
“JT whips through those knots.” <cheers from the gallery>
“Erinn has hers down quickly.” <Taj heard teasing “Take your time Erinn”>
<Good job Brendan>
“Tyson makes very fast work of his knots”
Taj hollering: <Go Sandy>
“Sydney really struggling with her knots”
Taj: <You’re making me nauseous, Sydney>
“Timbira now with the lead” <nothing heard for Debbie>
“JT has made up a lot of time”
When Jeff said: “it’s the second chance you’ve had to work on a word puzzle” Erinn and Brendan were shown directing the work for Timbira.
Brendan was heard saying “Immunity is at the bottom” while Spenser couldn’t figure it out.
Coach was heard expressing some ideas while Stephen was impressed with Timbira’s work.
Erinn and Brendan were the ones shown raising their arms to alert Jeff.
When Jeff declared Timbira winners, we first saw Erinn’s cheer followed by Brendan and Coach hugging. The scene ended by showing the disappointment of JT, Sandy and Sydney.
Showing he knows all about the dynamics in each tribe, Jeff handed the immunity idol to Erinn who gave it a big hug and he asked JT how tough the vote would be.
JT answered: “Very tough. We’ve become one group, one tribe. Nobody wants to go home, nobody wants to vote anybody else home so it’s going to be real tough.”
Spenser told us how Jalapao was feeling: “This challenge was something we took as our big opportunity to gain numbers in this game and hold them for a long time. Right now, we’re going to go back to 6 on 6 so it was overall very frustrating.”
Back in Jalapao, Taj had a confessional: “I was not surprised that we lost because we went on a 4 challenge winning streak. I definitely thought it was coming. I know exactly where the idol is. I need to talk to Stephen but, right now, we need to focus on tribal council.”
Joe was glad in a way because they would be getting rid of “someone with a name that rhymes with Andy.”
Taj, Sandy, Stephen and JT were contemplating other ideas. Taj said Sandy had been stronger than Sydney in the last 2 challenges.
Stephen countered that Joe and Spenser would both be upset, adding that Sydney was pulling her weight in camp.
Sandy was feeling mixed emotions.
Taj asked the guys to let her know what they were doing and she’d go along.
JT had a confessional: “I got a big dilemma now; I’m not sure what I’m going to do.”
Stephen and JT were still undecided as they walked back to camp.
In the shelter, Sydney asked what the guys loved about this game.
Stephen said it was meeting new people that he’d never meet otherwise.
Asked what she loved, Sydney admitted: “I love the sneakiness of it because I’m not very sneaky back home.”
That comment caught everyone’s attention.
Stephen had a confessional: “Sydney’s good looks make a positive first impression but that could be part of her devious personality. With a merge coming up, we need strong members but we also need loyal members so, getting rid of Sydney could make a lot of sense.”
Sydney had the last confessional: “As far as I know the vote is going to be going on Sandy K tonight. I’ve tried to get on the good side of people so, hopefully, it’s not me but it’s Survivor, everyone wants to win. We’ll see.”
Tribal Council:
- Jeff went straight to Sandy, asking her if she had recovered from that first impression.
- Sandy said she fit in quite well despite being the older woman.
- JT explained that Sandy recovered by being the mother of the crowd. <Joe and Spenser smiled>
- Sandy explained that she tried to make everybody laugh but that “people are using their beauty and their body <Taj approving>. “I see a little bit of flirting as far as Sydney is concerned, wearing the boxer shorts of JT.”
- JT had to admit that to Jeff, <Sandy winked>
- Sydney explained: “It’s hot out and I don’t have shorts, I’m wearing jeans.”
- Jeff said “Nobody asked you to defend.” <everybody laughed>
- Joe admitted that he saw that going on: “I see flirting going on.”
- Stephen said: “The big flirting relationship hasn’t been mentioned yet which is between Sydney and Joe. They’ve been flirting more than JT and Sydney flirt.”
- Sydney admitted: “I have a flirtatious personality. I flirt with women. I definitely flirt with Joe, he’s a great guy, I get along with him really well. It’s inevitable for me, I think.”
- Taj wasn’t approving, so Jeff asked how that sat with her.
- Taj said: “Sydney is gorgeous so men are going to be attracted to her regardless. they can’t help themselves <big smile from Joe> If there was an alliance, it would be with her, not me because that’s who they want to be aligned with anyway and that’s OK because I’m going to make my way through the game regardless.”
- Jeff wasn’t buying that it was OK with Taj.
- Taj responded: “I’ll be alright with or without their attraction.”
- Sydney said she was used to conversations revolving around her looks: “People stereotype me as the blonde girl that who doesn’t have much to say, <Spenser and Joe reacting> sits there and be pretty but that doesn’t mean like…It’s hard to explain.”
- Stephen was asked if it could work against Sydney. He said: “Someone could think she’s nothing, she’s just a flirt and undervalue her threat in the game.”
- It ended with Sandy saying that there would be a couple of people really upset at the vote.
<Spenser shown>
With the vote, it appeared that Taj was left out of the loop having voted against Joe and not receiving a chance to explain her vote. As Sandy walked out, the camera put the responsibility of the vote on JT while it showed Taj’s disappointment.
Jeff sent them back to camp by telling them that it was a brand new game.

The Characters
Starting with the players that were first designated as “Tourists”:
Spenser: He’s still hasn’t made much impression on the viewers. His confessionals are purely narration and they reveal his naivety rather than any knowledge of the game.
As far as being a worthy opponent, Spenser hasn’t been shown doing anything in challenges or in camp.
Joe: He has no other story than being Sydney’s flirting interest. This budding relationship doesn’t appear to carry much impact for the story as a whole. The editors had a chance to introduce something of substance for Joe when he went to raid Jalapao but JT received that confessional. The fact that Joe and Tyson were the only 2 players heard introducing each other could mean he has a future but even that wouldn’t be much of a story.
Sydney: We heard that Sydney only made a first impression with her looks. Tribal Council, however, put her squarely in opposition to Taj with JT acting as arbiter. Could her looks hide a devious personality as Stephen wondered? Will she be able to play the sneaky game she loves?
Her lack of performance in challenges has been repeatedly pointed out by Jeff and now, even Taj and Stephen agreed that she wasn’t strong. Therefore, she wouldn’t be a worthy opponent in Coach’s eyes. Could she become one in the viewers’ eyes? Not when we know what the editors usually have in store for the “femme fatale”.

Debbie: For the first real look we’ve had of her, she left a good impression. She has heart and determination. Taj’s compliment at the end of the challenge means that Debbie is a worthy opponent but that is practically all we have from her. It’s good that the little we heard from her was usually right: Timbira was indeed only down 1 player so it wasn’t a big deal and JT did consider they may have to switch camp.
The only personal comment that Debbie has made was about missing her family. Her only connection in the game has been with Coach when she warned him that Candace was bad-mouthing him. Besides that, Debbie hasn’t been shown building any relationships.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason we heard that Debbie missed her family was because she lasts until the family visit. I don’t see her going much further than that. She seems unaware of the predators around her.
Sandy had been portrayed as a “Dumb Player” and, even if her analysis of Sydney was very accurate, that portrayal what was used to explain her elimination. Crazy Sandy was getting on everybody’s nerves and she questioned JT’s strategy regarding the beans. She may have overcome the age difference as was pointed out when they said she was better than Sydney in challenges but not the other Impression that she made in episode #1.
Sandy’s outcome proves once more that “Dumb Players” aren’t rewarded with the title of Sole Survivor. That isn’t good for the 2 following players:
Coach, time and again shows that whatever he says is wrong. Either he acts in opposition to his own words (Don’t go off in little groups to put blame) or what he says just doesn’t make sense to the audience. Timbira would not be better off if Brendan was voted off. Coach isn’t stronger than Brendan. Timbira wasn’t going to be reduced to nothing after that reward loss.
If Coach made a good impression on some viewers at the very beginning, I have to think that all the sympathy is gone by now. Coach has worked hard to change that first impression but in the wrong way. That makes him a “Dumb Player”. I expect that Brendan will be instrumental in showing him the way out.
Tyson made a positive first impression on Erinn and the audience, but he has worked to reverse that impression by forming a weird relationship with Coach.
Despite his desire to emulate Benjamin, Tyson is a slightly different character than Coach. He told us that he would act dumb to make people laugh and use it in his strategy. That could make him a player. However, letting us hear that he wasn’t paying attention at the leadership discussion made him look dumb for real. Letting hear that he wanted to punch the raiders in the head made him sound like a sore loser.
His repeated rants against Erinn make me think that he will be the one shocked at Tribal when the vote blindsides him. As Coach, that would make him a False Oracle. I’m not sure that’s what he wanted to emulate but, to the editors, it would be a good story.
In challenge, he has, at times, been a worthy opponent but in the latest reward, the images we saw made him appear weak.
Tyson is a “Dumb Player” who is used for comic relief.
The Players:
Stephen: He's still is seen as the nerdy guy that can be used. Contrary to what Sandy thought, that first impression has served him well, enabling him to fall ass-backwards into the major alliance, the secret relationship that seems the big story of the season. His ass-backwards comment was just a funny way of putting it but that’s also the way it was presented to the audience. Taj thought she could depend on him for a long time but we saw no reason to back that impression.

If a case could be made for Stephen regarding the first theme, it becomes nearly impossible when considering the second. Not only has he been less than stellar in the physical challenges, we had a clear image of Stephen being baffled by the word puzzle and then looking in disbelief at Timbira’s progress. Very little has been shown from him in camp to say that he contributes in other ways. He is good at analyzing a situation but he is seen as sitting on the fence when it comes time to decide. That was exemplified by his talk in the lake, his conversation with JT on the walk back to camp and his answers at TC.
Coach wouldn’t see him as a worthy opponent while the audience would have very little argument against that opinion.
Taj: She didn’t make a First Impression in the opening episode but, since then, everything has been very positive. She’s nice to have around camp, she is good at planning ahead and people gravitate to her. It all happened very naturally which is good in normal circumstances but maybe not so much in a season where you are supposed to work hard to change that first impression. It’s also troubling that it was her that we heard saying they would make Final 4. Usually things happen to change such plans. It was also noted that Taj was the one that rejoiced when Brendan fell. It could be to foreshadow that not everything will work out for the alliance.

As far as the second theme, there is no doubt that Taj is a worthy opponent. (We could call her the Anti-Crystal!) The problem is that, with Coach’s love at hearing his own voice, I have a hard time believing that Coach didn’t make a single comment about Taj. The theme seems to have to work through Coach’s eyes so we should hear Coach commenting on her. It can still happen later but, usually, end game stories get laid out from the start.
Taj is presented as a fighter; one that is ready to go up against the “femme fatale” to get the men to work with her, one that can single handedly beat the other team. That is often the role given to the last one standing from the defeated tribe. Time will tell but I don’t think Taj fits the themes of the season well enough to be its winner.
JT: He left the audience with a question mark regarding the impression he made at first. Would he fit in, would he be seen as a threat? We saw him working hard to change that opinion and it worked. He is the provider and he is presented as the leader. We just have to look at the camera work when Jeff read the votes to be convinced of that. It was his decision to leave the second sack of beans and he was the one that had to choose between Sydney and Sandy.
As far as the second theme we can easily see that “The Strongest Man Alive” would be the opponent that Coach has been praying to meet. With JT coming to raid Timbira it was extremely noteworthy that Coach was practically absent from that whole scene. We didn’t hear him say a word during the raid and he had no confessionals about the event afterwards. Did Coach bite his tongue?! I refuse to believe that.
Those that think the winner will be a worthy opponent will pick JT, a choice that Coach would approve. I still think that Coach will not view the winner has being worthy.
The Contenders:
Brendan: In regards to the first theme, Brendan didn’t make a big first impression even if Coach saw him as a valuable member of the team and if Brendan won the first challenge. He has gradually made a more positive impression even if some questions remain: Why didn’t he talk to Sierra? If he is the leader, why did Coach decide who would sit the reward challenge? With the absence of an opening confessional, we can say that Brendan isn’t a great fit for the first theme, not a terrible one but not the best one either.
As far as being a worthy opponent, Coach doesn’t seem to know where to place him. He chose Brendan to be his first ally but has gone strictly to Tyson since then. Coach thinks the tribe would be better if Brendan was voted off but he trusts his leadership. For the viewers at least, Brendan is seen as a worthy opponent, someone who we saw holding up a lot of weight in the reward challenge and come up with the solution to the word puzzle. As noted above, I believe that Coach will not have seen the winner as a worthy opponent and the objections he has regarding Brendan’s ability seem too small to make us think he doesn’t see Brendan’s value.
So, as with last week, I think we could be seeing two women in the Final 2. When we heard Jeff saying “this challenge has come down to two women” I took it as a possible clue that, similarly, this game could come down to two women. With Coach apparently thinking that only men would make worthy opponents, an all-female conclusion would seal his role as False Oracle.
Sierra: As she said herself in her Exile Island confessional, she has turned the corner; from being seen at the bottom of the food chain, she is now in a powerful alliance. We know that, compared to Stephen, she worked her way in that alliance by making a deal and earning Brendan’s trust. Speaking of making an impression, there was an absolutely unnecessary comment made by Sydney in Jalapao about Sierra being cute. It was subtitled so we didn’t miss it and we can’t help but wonder why include this unless there was a need to remind us of Sierra and how, despite being cute, she isn’t playing the flirting game.
Sierra fits perfectly with the first theme.
We also know that Coach saw her as an unworthy challenge player and now, the camera included her when Coach said they are “new kids on the block.” The ultimate underdog would be seen as a worthy winner if she were to overcome the horrible odds she faced. The slight problem I have is that it all came too easily. There is always doubt surrounding the winner and a lot of it was suddenly removed from Sierra’s story. Was it too much? I still like her chances very much but we can still look at another possibility.

The Case for Erinn:
I was worried that her chances had been fatally hurt last week when she was seen rejoicing at Jerry’s demise but, since absolutely nothing was made of it by Jeff in the recap, I have to reassess. Our hairstylist, being constantly put down by Coach and Tyson, must somehow overcome that perilous situation. Her boot would be much too obvious so she can’t be the next one to go. Regarding her first impressions, she has shown the audience that she isn’t the “#####” that Tyson thought. Letting us share her emotions was a determining factor in disproving that first impression. That confessional really added depth to her character, something we always get from our winner.
As far as being a worthy opponent, there is no doubt where Coach stands but what about the audience? Nothing has been made to make us see her as a strong player even if, in challenges, she seems to take charge naturally during the mental part. In camp, she isn’t shown as the smartest player, isolating herself from the tribe. However, as noted during Tyson’s moment of folly, there seems to be intentional manipulation to make Erinn appear more isolated than she really is. When she said she couldn’t connect to these people, Brendan wasn’t among those shown on screen, leading us to believe that she wasn’t talking about him. If she connects with him, Erinn could suddenly be in a much better position. In Survivor, the underdog that fights back is always seen as a worthy opponent.
If we have the Themes correctly identified, Erinn and Sierra are the ones that fit the story the best at this point. While Sierra’s weakness had to be presented to explain the first vote, Erinn’s personal situation could have been ignored, yet the editors decided it was worth investing in it. That makes me lean towards Erinn at the moment.

We’ll have to keep an eye on those two women in the next chapter.

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47. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

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I'm still leaning towards Sierra, but you make a good case for Erinn. In fact, I can sure see them in the Final 2 -- Coach's worst nightmare. Am I wrong for loving that prospect?
Edited to add: One more thing -- I thought that the different strategies Sandy & Sierra had indicated that Sandy wouldn't last all that long while Sierra would be a long-term player. Looks like I was right.
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48. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

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>Taj added: “My concern is to get to the final four
>which will be you, me, Steve and Brendan. Are you
>game?”
>(As always, when a final grouping like this is mentioned it
>rarely makes its way intact to the end which makes me wonder
>about the person who stated that particular order.)
...
>Taj: .... It’s also troubling that it was her that we
>heard saying they would make Final 4. Usually things happen
>to change such plans. It was also noted that Taj
>was the one that rejoiced when Brendan fell. It could
>be to foreshadow that not everything will work out for
>the alliance.
>
>Taj is presented as a fighter; one that is ready to
>go up against the “femme fatale” to get the men
>to work with her, one that can single handedly beat
>the other team. That is often the role given to
>the last one standing from the defeated tribe. Time will
>tell but I don’t think Taj fits the themes of
>the season well enough to be its winner.
There's the maxim that 'alliances revealed don't succeed' and while there have been alliances that do go all the way to the end, usually the way it's presented to us doesn't succeed. For example, we were literally hammered over the head with Tom and Ian's alliance in Palau and they did make it to the end game, however Katie was the one who made it to the final jury ahead of Ian.
I'm going to say that all the heavy editing on Taj doing the wheeling and dealing to make this alliance work is going to result in Taj being the one booted much earlier in the game than the other three. The other three members of the alliance are shown but not heavily focused on as these deals are made - it's all Taj's work. I can see the other three making it to the end game, but not Taj.
Great thoughts, michel! I always enjoy reading your thoughts into each episode. I don't disagree with your idea that it could be Erinn and Sierra at the end - both have had negative first impressions and both appear to be well on their way to overcoming them through what we've seen so far.

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50. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

Pepe I see this being edited in exactly the same way you do. There are too many different things working against Taj for her to make it long term. In fact I think it will be one of the other three who will lead to her demise. Only time will tell.

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49. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

Great analysis, Michel. However, I have issue with two points:
First, Tyson
'Despite his desire to emulate Benjamin, Tyson is a slightly different character than Coach. He told us that he would act dumb to make people laugh and use it in his strategy. That could make him a player. However, letting us hear that he wasn’t paying attention at the leadership discussion made him look dumb for real. Letting hear that he wanted to punch the raiders in the head made him sound like a sore loser.'
I feel like Tyson's comments of 'wanting' to be called coach and of not paying attention to the leadership discussion were meant as entirely sarcastic and not serious in the slightest. Instead of showing that he's dumb, they show that he's so far ahead of the petty concerns of the other castaways that he can make fun of them. The same with his comment about wanting to punch the guys in the head, it was a throwaway goofy line to show that he understands the pettiness of the game, and mocks it rather than being immersed in it. I find that the editors don't know what to do with him at all, actually, so he could go either way. I agree that his 2 comments about blindsiding Erinn either set up a showdown between them or mean that he gets blindsided by her, but I would never ever call him a 'dumb' player.
Second, Stephen:
'Not only has he been less than stellar in the physical challenges, we had a clear image of Stephen being baffled by the word puzzle and then looking in disbelief at Timbira’s progress. Very little has been shown from him in camp to say that he contributes in other ways.'
Except when he won the very physical basketball challenge by scoring the winning basket (they focused on him celebrating). He certainly hasn't been shown as lagging in the challenges. And also, they showed him trying to fish in camp, albeit unsuccessfully, but I wasn't convinced that this was to show him as incompetent, rather to show him as attempting to provide.

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51. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

Belle Book, you are right that Sierra looked more like a long term player the moment the camera showed Sandy celebrating the news that they weren't eliminated while Sierra was shownstill pondering the situation.
Pepe, thank you for the nice words. I agree that Taj looks like the one who could exit first out of the secret alliance but I feel that should be after the merge.
Television, thank you for the feedback.
Regarding Tyson, I'm not saying that he is dumb but that the editors are putting him in the role of the "Dumb Guy". His story has been reduced to wanting to be co-coach and wanting Erinn out. There are no more looks into the future. I would agree that he is above the pettiness of the game but he isn't allowed to show it. A new confessional where he'd say something like: "I make them laugh and they gobble it up, they love me" would be appropriate to reinforce to the viewer that here is a player. Instead we have his short term plan to vote Erinn out and punch JT and Joe.
Sierra's "This is your show, Tyson" sounded great for him but now I think it meant that playing the fool is the extent of his show. That makes it a short term story in my mind but only time will tell.
Stephen is very difficult to analyze. He is in a great position, gamewise and he has a good edit but something is off. He hasn't shaken his nerdy first impression and now he appears indecisive.
Yes, he made the winning shot but no one mentioned it. However Jeff did tell us that he was losing time in the cube race and there was that picture last time. If we are looking for a worthy opponent in challenges, the viewers would name JT, Taj and Brendan while Stephen would be called average at best.

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52. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

LAST EDITED ON 03-09-09 AT 04:16 PM (EST)
Great analysis, as always Michel. You always get down to the nitty-gritty between the survivors!
To me, Erinn is an enigma. I had a favorable impression of her early on. She was smart and did well in the puzzle challenges. I don’t like her edit now – she’s a loner and whiny, and I don’t care for her. The thing that bothered me the most was the way she was ignored by the camera during the immunity challenge. I assume that she was instrumental in solving the puzzle – Jeff gave her the immunity idol and he often gives it to the person who helped win it. However, Brendan was the one who got credit for solving it. Right now, I don’t see Erinn as an end game player. I think her story is tied up with Tyson and Coach and she will outlast one or both of them, but that all three of them leave early to mid jury.
That would leave us with the story of the cross-tribal alliance. To me the end game players are Brendan, Sierra and Stephen. They all have stories and coincidentally are all part of Team Secret. I agree with the other posters that Taj doesn’t make it to the end. She has gotten the main focus from the alliance and is too jubilant and “it’s in the bag” for it to actually succeed. She will probably be replaced by JT, but his story isn’t as developed. They also fit the theme of “first impressions.” Our first reactions to Sierra and Stephen (and Brendan to a lesser extent) were questionable. Now I have a much more favorable opinion of them. I am going to reserve judgment on who Coach thinks is worthy until later in the game. His theme is key, but he’s getting a negative edit, so it may be who the viewer thinks is worthy at the end, not who Coach thinks is worthy.
Tyson’s edit is interesting to me. He reminds me of Courtenay Yates with such a dry, sarcastic sense of humor that a lot of viewers take him literally. I find him very funny but the sound bites that EPMB give him are as a clownish villain. If he’s playing the game, we aren’t seeing it.

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ETA: There was another thing I wanted to mention - a comment by Stephen that made my ears perk up. When they were all hanging in the shelter talking about what they liked about Survivor, Stephen said he liked meeting people from different backgrounds. That is not the first thing you would expect a survivor to say but it is telling for him. His first alliance was with a rancher from the Deep South; his second alliance was with an African-American woman who's married to an NFL player and is a former pop star (maybe the fact that he didn't know who Eddie George was actually helped him with Taj as far as trust goes!). And his next alliance will probably be with a model from LA. His nerdy NY Jew first impression certainly isn't hurting him in making alliances.

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03-09-09, 08:17 PM (EST)

54. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

Hello CTGirl, I always appreciate your opinion so your doubts on Erinn worry me.
Regarding this: "she’s a loner"
Like I wrote, I think the scene where she said she had a hard time connecting was manipulated to make it appear as if it happened at the same time Tyson was doing his little dance. I think we can hear Erinn laughing along with Debbie.
It wouldn't be the first time the editors isolated someone that really wasn't: Tina joined Jerri's alliance within the first hour of The Outback. She was in it even before Amber was asked to join. Yet, the editors used Jerri's episode 3 council remark that Mitchell, Amber and Colby were her friends to make Tina appear as an outsider, fighting for her life.
I think this is what is happening here. Remember this confessional by Sierra: “Erinn obviously didn’t see it coming for us voting Candace. And, when she did, she’s trying to back out really fast. She’s kind of panicky.”
This could have been taken completely out of context. What if Candace, Erinn, Sierra and Brendan had agreed to vote out Coach? Erinn didn't see the change of plan coming. When they did tell her that the vote was against Candace is when she tried to back out real fast.
Whether this is what Sierra meant or not, I don't think Erinn is isolated at all. Time will tell.
Courtney had an immediate end game story when she said being in China with a beauty queen and an air flight attendant was her personal hell. That story was always amplified with JR and James targeting her, saying that she was the luckiest survivor alive. Tyson first had a weird look at end game, wanting a man tiara and since then, nothing has been reinforced. I see a better comparison between Erinn and Courtney. Both were targets: Coach and Tyson taking the place of JR and James!
Stephen's remark you posted is interesting. I see it showing that he isn't a gamer. He likes meeting people, not using them, not being sneaky.

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03-09-09, 09:00 PM (EST)

55. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

LAST EDITED ON 03-09-09 AT 09:03 PM (EST)
Stephen's remark you posted is interesting. I see it showing that he isn't a gamer. He likes meeting people, not using them, not being sneaky.
About Stephen (Air/Aquarius):
'The Sun in Aquarius has been called the “rebel” of the Zodiac because of their total commitment to their unique vision. They’re uncompromisingly anchored in their own lives and grant that same autonomy to others. And, because Aquarius instinctively appreciate diversity and have a sustaining confidence in their own convictions, they are extremely tolerant of the behaviors and opinions of others. So, with an innate sense that everyone should “do their own thing”, Aquarius often seem to be detached – and friendly – at the same time.'
What Editing manages to do with personalities and what the talented people here manage to do with Editing make this amazing thread my favorite. But, I still think that Stephen is going to be Tocantins' Sole Survivor ...
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03-10-09, 01:20 PM (EST)

58. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

Michel - I didn't mean to worry you! It may just be a personal dislike and not the editing! It's interesting that we both saw Erinn's confessional as manipulated and took away different things from it. Even I could tell that the clip was out-of-place, but it cast a negative impression on me. You've pointed out some great symbolism that could signify two females in the finals, and maybe, to play devil's advocate, it was to show us why she doesn't win.
I know that part of the fun for you is to peg the winner early on, and I don't want to take that fun away from you. But I can't help remember how bamboozled we were by Corinne's, Matty's and Bob's edits last season. That theme was stretched pretty thin!
Stephen's remark you posted is interesting. I see it showing that he isn't a gamer. He likes meeting people, not using them, not being sneaky.
In a different season, I would agree with you. But this season is about first impressions - and he is making good impressions on people. He thought he would be an outsider, but we're finding out that he's not; I thought his comment was interesting in light of the theme.
Georgianna - I know that you picked Susie the Scorpio to win last season. Who else have you picked and how far did they go? It's fun to speculate on the winner and I always enjoy reading your theories!

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03-11-09, 08:29 AM (EST)

61. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

"I know that part of the fun for you is to peg the winner early on, and I don't want to take that fun away from you. But I can't help remember how bamboozled we were by Corinne's, Matty's and Bob's edits last season. That theme was stretched pretty thin!"
You had to bring Gabon back. All I can say is that Bob fit the theme of stepping up to help his team and he was a good guy from the start. It was more game logic that told me he couldn't win rather than his edit but then I wasn't expecting Sugar's game illogic.
Right now, I'm looking at possibilities and, while Sierra and Erinn are the two that fit best the story as I read it, a case could easily be made for Brendan, Stephen and JT. Tyson and Taj are also possibilities even if their edits have given us reasons to doubt their chances.

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62. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

One thing to always remember is:
Jeff Probst is very closely involved in how the show is edited. And he ISN'T a talented editor.

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63. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

I'll add my two cents about Stephen; It seems to me that his answer about what he liked about Survivor had way more game-play than Sydney's. Hers raised everyone's antenna regarding her intent to deceive while his was saying, 'you all are cool and I'm glad to go through this with you'. I definately think he fits the first theme quite well. He even got a vote at the very beginning. So far, I'd be happy with either Stephen or Sierra win

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56. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

Excuse me, CT Girl,
Your comments and insights are always interesting. But, I am puzzled by this, coming from you. What is a "nerdy NY Jew"? I didn't realize religious and/or ethnic backgounds were fodder for discussion in these threads.

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57. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

LFJ, Stephen called himself a "nerdy NY Jew", so repeating his own description of himself shouldn't offend. That phrase has been repeated many times on this board and others, and I think is part of the discussion because that's how he sees himself.

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59. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

LFJ, no offense was intended. As Cat said, that's how Stephen described himself during the premiere. I actually don't think he's that nerdy. He's no outdoorsman, but he's not nerdy. He used it first and now the editing is playing up that side of his character.

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03-10-09, 03:39 PM (EST)

60. "RE: Episode #4: Editing Thoughts"

I see, now, why you described him that way. Thanks for the explanation. It did seem totally out of character for you.

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03-14-09, 06:19 PM (EST)

64. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

I'm eager to see the real analyzers' impressions of this episode, but I'm so eager I can't resist posting my own, very brief ones right now.
I feel like this episode was a bit of a turning point for some characters...
- most especially, Stephen. What they showed of his caution with Taj, his intent to keep the II, his skepticism of Brendan... they all clearly show an endgame player to me. Especially his 'I'll keep this secret alliance on the backburner, but I don't want it to be my only option' comment, shows him as shrewd, calculating, knowing not to make his coup de grace too early.
- in turn, this to me dooms the alliance, and its members. Brendan is now 'a threat' on the radar... especially looking at the Coach interview that was included on the insider but not on the show (where he says he's hesitant about getting rid of Brendan)... the fact that they included comments that 'Brendan must go' but didn't include comments second guessing that makes me think that they want to show him as a threat that must go, and I believe that's what's going to happen.
- Sierra's story has arced, from the rejected girl to the one on top of the world. Her redemption came too early, she doesn't need more redemption as the winner.
- Joe's injury was mentioned/focused on twice, which suggests to me that it will be a significant part of his story. And when that's the case, that usually means it can't be good for him.

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65. "Episode 5 Editing"

Apparently I missed the party last week
Recap
Initially I noted the vast difference in that this season, Jeff’s comments are on equal footing as he mentions "two tough tribes" "it's anyone's game" The tribe comparison is obviously not rendering a bias the way we have seen before.
The Exile Island Alliance is featured. The amount of coverage on this four way alliance leads me to believe it does have a big impact in this game although not all four may survive it.
Taj:” Do you want to be a part of the biggest upset in Survivor history” (one may question whether this is indeed the case and we may get to see a big upset along the way?)
Discussion on Sierra not being told by Brendan and Taj and Brendan's quest for their idol.
Taj/Stephen are featured as yet again the foursome alliance is being built. I also found it interesting that Taj was shown stating why she voted Joe; was it necessary? Not so much and it may have been thrown about purely for the episode’s dynamic but it may also be some process involving Joe and Taj.
Taj advised they are "set" they need the idol and "it's on" "everything is complete" All we have to do is make it to the merge with everyone intact" (foreshadowing?) "I love when a perfect plan comes together, it's so much fun" The merger comment is made in confessional and to Stephen.
With a different person and even a different season, her words may be construed as completely over confident and somewhat condescending. I don’t think however the editors intend that with Taj. I do think the overextended focus on how “set” they are (stated by Taj, Brendan and Sierra) is meant as a warning but not intended to focus negativity on the people saying it; after watching this many seasons of Survivor, I think we all know the difference of hearing optimism and confidence and wait for “egg on the face” as opposed to optimism and confidence than showing unfortunately the plan didn’t work as we were meant to like the people in the plan. With apparently a merger arriving shortly (merger has creeped up in discussion; usually the sign) one or more of this foursome may find themselves not being able to go forth with the plan.

Stephen (conf) “She handed it off to me... as long as it is in my possession will try to keep it in my possession, theoretically ostensibly it is mine, wearing it around my neck” (One may wonder if this also was necessary - do we need to know this if Taj uses it, or if it isn't used at all? This would be something I would back burner as comments such as this usually are not left in unless some prophecy occurs from it. We may see a major plot point where Taj is voted out with the idol still in Stephen’s possession in some fashion).
Timberia
More discussion with the foursome alliance that is being built upon regardless of the fact that they haven't reached that point where the foursome are even together – again it appears that merger is coming quickly as the hints are prevalent They discuss how Brendan didn't tell her.
Brendan (conf) “Every stage we have set has worked... we've gotten more and more powerful”
Sierra states:"We rule" with confessing “Hallelujah praise the Lord... after three days of being a loser ... I'm proud of myself, I formed an amazing alliance , it's really quite brilliant, we are going to take over the whole world, that's right" (laughs)
Again, I find these confessionals, while confident, lacking an arrogance we have seen from prior contestants which bodes well for their characters (that does not mean the foursome will be intact though – the editors do not appears to want us to laugh if the foursome fails but editing IS drilling into the audience this plan and this foursome and “smooth sailing” for something to not go wrong
Reward Challenge
Sandy is noted to be eliminated as Coach comments: “…only a matter of time”
Jalapao wins and an interesting scene is shown that again, one has to question why it was shown unless it is an upcoming plot point.
Stephen chooses Brendan for Exile and a close shot is on Tyson and Ben as Jeff notes Brendan is smiling as he says: “It's evil to be able to pick somebody who won a reward and take them out of it.”
Brendan chooses Stephen who appears shocked as Taj blows kisses to him as thanks. A shot on Tyson reflecting as Joe states this was a classy move.

Tyson conf: “I don’t know what is going on in Brendan's head, he's made a lot of contact with the other tribe, whether he's built up friendships or alliances I don't know but he definitely seems to have some of their respect and it could get dangerous.”
An entirely unnecessary scene unless it will be developed. We are learning that Tyson is noticing the bonds being developed and it will be dangerous. Coach is involved with this as well. Later more development at the camp – yet Timberia never went to Tribal Council. Let’s also not forget that Erinn has her own issues with Coach (privately with Tyson as we have still yet to see Tyson outwardly speak the way he confessionally speaks
Reward at Charmin Café
Spencer gets a confessional about the letter.
Taj gives insight about getting to know her tribe and again we have a mention of the secret alliance. Taj received the meat of the confessionals this episode – big character, longevity or a climax coming?
Joe confesses Taj being gone hurts her – (perhaps more buildup for Joe and Taj?)
Various group speak and JT receives some focus as the “man” going to cry.

Timberia

Tyson shown disappointed
Erinn states poor Brendan and Debbie said it was nice that he didn't take Taj and questions why he picked Stephen.
Tyson tells Debra and Ben that he believes Brendan is trying to build relations with other tribe and "he's got to go next"
Debra "Tyson you can't tell Sierra - she will not be with us"
Ben (conf) “Brendan right now, the way he's going to exile and the people he's choosing ... is making strong allies. If we merge he has control of the game and I'm a bystander and I certainly don't want that to happen“
Coach in passing to Debra: The plot thickens (in Survivor where I love a good story, I do believe it will!)
Again, this tribe did not even go to Tribal Council yet a very complex situation is occurring with them. We realize that Debra, Coach and Tyson are on the same page, we know they know that Sierra and Brendan are close. We also know that Erinn is a one woman island with major issues with Coach. We know that Brendan and Sierra have an alliance with Stephen and Taj. There is a lot of dynamic at this tribe and there will be quite a bit of dynamic at their next Tribal Council. Tyson’s observations and the scene above were not necessary unless we are building to something. What irony is Coach’s first words about wanting the strongest at the end and discussing this with Brendan. I don’t necessarily believe that their visit to Tribal Council will result in Brendan leaving though, it has a feel that the editors want us to see Brendan in potential danger and our asking will this foursome get it together as they attempt to surprise us with the actual person eliminated. So I would not necessarily discount Brendan yet as his build up in danger is very familiar to plots in the past where the person featured in danger is not actually the one to leave
A VERY amusing scene of Ben predicting the rain with a throwaway comment by Erinn that Coach is a #####

Erinn’s role is an interesting one. There is a long term range I can see with her edit although a lot of her story seems tied specifically to Coach and Tyson (as if we can forget Tyson’s confessional about her) It appears that she could just be a catalyst to a story with these two (or at least Coach) and integral in his (or their) demise. Considering the massive effort done surrounding Coach’s edit, it would be very amusing if Coach is taken down by Erinn in some fashion. She does indeed get unnecessary face time although I see her story somewhat streamlined as to waiting solely to see if she will have the pleasure to vote Coach out. I’m not entirely confident she is end game but there I would not hesitant in agreeing that she could be a long term player
Exile Island
More fleshing out of this foursome.
Brendan (conf) “He didn’t know me, he didn’t know Sierra so I am really excited to catch up with him to see how we can work together just to make him feel comfortable with that alliance”
Stephen and Brendan discuss that Stephen and Taj found the idol
Brendan (conf): “We started talking immediately…. This four person alliance has both immunity idols which is great because it’s going to put up in a powerful spot”
Stephen (conf) “My first impression of him is positive but wary; he’s obviously an extremely strong player, mentally strong and clearly strategically strong but it’s hard to trust someone who… I’ve known him for five minutes. I can’t place my entire faith in the game on him so I might keep this two tribe alliance in the back of my head as something that might be there but can’t place my entire faith in this four person alliance.”
Stephen has been progressing very nicely in his edit. He received a “first impression” from Sandy as to one to be led around and what is interesting is that while he was “led” by Taj to this alliance, Stephen has given the greatest insight in the pros and cons of this alliance; he is the only person out of this four that isn’t putting all his eggs in the foursome’s basket and his questioning and debating and examination seems quite good for his longevity. He also received a “fluff” story with JT which is back burnered but was important enough to show us on two occasions. Stephen seems very integral to a multitude of potential plot points and certainly fits with the notion that you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover.
Jalapao
Sydney and Spencer’s discussion is shown with Spencer’s confessional on revealing his sexual orientation. Considering the outcome of the episode, this seemed rather contrived in order to just flesh Spencer out prior to his leaving however I don’t feel this confessional was quite necessary:
Spencer (conf) “Guys like JT, southerners you know, people who are generally not quite as accepting of homosexuality and I don’t know if he is one of those guys but they are maybe inclined to get rid of someone like me just based on the fact that I am gay; it’s one of the reasons why I keep it a secret” (Last shot on JT)
I was a bit confused as to why this even had to be shown because ultimately the reason for his leaving was shown to be his performance at the challenge (whether or not that was the case, it is was shown that was reason). Regardless that JT has never shown to be homophobic, this was noted when it didn’t have to be - it wasn’t necessary so I question why the editors wanted to cast a slightly gray shadow on JT when in reality

Immunity Challenge
Lovely greetings towards Brendan and Stephen by their tribemates – for what it is worth, I do think generally speaking there is a comradarie that quite often lacks in other seasons. Strangely we hear Stephen say: “Missed you guys” which was entirely random as Jeff was taking back the idol and the welcome back greetings were done – perhaps just to further Stephen a tad.
A great challenge although I am hard pressed to understand why JT and Sierra would be guarding each other – the feature naturally was JT and his losing part of his tooth (did anyone else notice after Joe missed his shot, Taj playfully hit Sierra on her rearend with the net? I would hope this foursome would be a little more careful)
JT asks Taj to step it up and she yells she is doing her best
(Why JT is not guarding someone like Brendan or Tyson is beyond my understand)
Jeff “Taj is wearing down that is giving Brendan a big opening!”
Memorable scene when JT loses the tooth and Jeff’s reaction and the sequence from there – hardly a moment that the editors would leave on the floor!
Tyson keeps Timberia alive (Tyson may end up being my one mistake in terms of longevity. Somehow I feel there is something more to Tyson and do not want to rule out long term for him)
JT tells Spencer they got to do this
JT “Come on Spencer” (after Tyson gets another one) Discussion ensues
An exchange with Debra and Tyson and Erinn that the balls should go shorter and with that Timberia ultimately wins
JT (conf) “I’m doing everything I can to win…but I just think some people weren’t giving it their all; I don’t want to get rid of anyone but it’s got to be Spencer.”
Taj (conf) “I was hot today….by hot I mean angry. Joe and JT worked hard today…. I fell short today. I think I’m a target but they are crazy to keep Spencer over me if they are trying to keep the tribe strong”
Taj “We are only down one, I believe whatever we do next has got to be the best chance to make it 5-5 for the merge that means everyone has got to leave their emotions out of it and think for the team, everybody. You (Joe) him (JT) everybody… I’m hot today… everybody can kiss my #####. (Taj continues) Do what is best for the team.”
JT “If it makes you feel better Taj, I trust you more than I trust other people”
Joe “I trust you for sure”
Taj “You trust me?”
Joe “I trust everybody here”
Taj “Then why haven’t you come to me for an ally…”
Joe “It’s a two way road right?”
Taj “I tried to talk to you, I’m not attacking you, I’m just sick of this bull”

Joe (conf) “Taj was hot at me, I really don’t know why, she can bat every eyelash, raise every feather she has but I think moves like that will get you voted off bottom line and if Taj has the idol, I think it’s the best decision”
Stephen “I just think she is just scared…. what do you think?”
JT (on screen) “She’s next”.
Stephen (conf) “I have a really tough choice ahead tonight because theoretically I am better served by Taj going home without the idol because that means it’s mine to keep but right now she is my real connection to the Timberia side of the EI, Brandon and Sierra so I’m not totally clear on what I am going to do”
Taj (conf) “It could very well possibly be it for me tonight but I still have the immunity idol and I still have Steve…”
Taj “They are still down whispering so if you want to get a piece go ahead”
Spencer “I’m sure JT is whispering about me”
Spencer (conf) “Today’s challenge was very frustrating…. I don’t like to lose and I don’t like to perform badly and I knew JT was probably going to be frustrated with me”
JT “I don’t have any problem writing his name down….”
(Spencer arrives)
Spencer (conf) “It’s rough around camp…. it’s scary for sure because things switch so quickly in this game”
JT “What do you think is best for the team?”
Spencer “I figured you’d come back pissed at me so…”
JT “I was pissed at you, especially at the challenge”
Spencer “Do you think I was not giving my effort?”
More talking
JT “I can’t speak for all the team..”
Spencer “I know but you obviously have pull in the tribe…. who do you think should go?”
JT “I don’t know”
Spencer “You can tell me.”
JT “You or Taj”
I love the editors and how they throw us every bit of great scenery to make the upcoming Tribal Council a questionable one. The idol is brought up yet again and it sits with me that Taj may have a problem – the editing is handling Taj a bit different in this foursome and I question her safety; there does not seem to be any delicate balance with her edit the way there is with Sierra, Brandon and Stephen. Once again Stephen is shown questioning his relationship with Taj and a big question for the audience would be will Stephen break a tie with Taj?
Tribal Council
Jeff asks Spencer about his performance
Spencer: “My performance today was pretty pathetic… (JT shown) I was very upset with myself the whole time”
Jeff asks Taj if she feels the tribe is still staying together well and can they feel the effect after losing?
Taj “…of course everybody is frustrated, we’re just trying to believe at the next challenge we’ll be able to tie it up and go into the merge even at least” “Initially we all kind of blew up, won’t say all, I kinda blew up because I felt like we could have done a better job and I got upset” (Joe and JT shown)
Jeff asks Joe what it feels like when someone attacks you
Joe “You don’t ever like to walk into a room and have fingers pointed at you especially when it’s not even necessarily warranted”
Jeff asks Taj if she is worried that she could have an outburst that could cost her
Taj “Anything you do can cost you in this game…. at that point I felt like I was out the door” (Stephen and Spencer shown)
Jeff asks Taj what made her feel that
Taj “I don’t know, it’s just a feeling you get that your head is next (Joe) and I was pissed because at every challenge I do give 110%... and to even have that idea that you are going to go out, I’m trying to figure out why, I was hot so someone was going to get it and I didn’t care who”
Jeff asks Spencer if he understands what Taj is talking about
Spencer “Absolutely, it definitely changes when you get back to camp and you know that your head could be on the chopping block, today I had the same feeling because of my performance (Joe) and the frustration with JT during the challenge (JT) I came back knowing I could very well be going home tonight.
Jeff asks Taj about spending so much time on Exile Island
Taj “What can I do about it? (Joe) I don’t ask to go to Exile (Spencer then crash) so it’s not like I had a choice; there’s nothing I can do about it except fit in when I come back”
Jeff asks Taj if she feels the target on her back spending so much time away
Taj “I didn’t… until this week (JT) because we are down to no more expendable people so I’m like that person I guess if they thought I had the idol…”
Jeff asks Joe how he deals with Taj being there so many times and the opportunity for the idol.
Joe “You can’t ever be certain, she could definitely have it. I have not heard her say the words, I do not have the immunity idol” (JT nods)
Taj “Would you like me to say it now?”
Joe “No you don’t have to” “See stuff like that makes you think she is really being aggressive about hiding (Stephen) this thing or lying about”
Taj questions this and Joe states she hasn’t slipped once and he believes her (Stephen)
Jeff then states that Taj still has not said she doesn’t have it
Joe “Do you want to say it for me?”
Taj “I do not have the idol” (Stephen)
Joe “I believe her”
Spencer is voted out with Jeff’s last words
Jeff “You’ve lost two immunity challenges and two tribe members and worse than that, you lost momentum”

One extremely noticeable item is that Sydney once again was irrelevant to her tribe. Except for her one brief scene which was to forge Spencer’s edit and her scene where Taj was lamenting, she was not even remotely involved. This is interesting considering how she played such a big role in last week then just disappeared. There seems to be some line that is being drawn between Joe and Taj that I am waiting for the outcome, regardless Joe seems irrelevant to the long term. Stephen is questioning his own alliance with Taj which is yet another story unfolding. JT and Stephen’s friendship was back burnered but I feel that for it to be mentioned twice, it may have some legs. There is a lot brewing over at Timberia with Brendan’s “vulnerability” Erinn and Coach’s issues, the obvious division that shows Debra, Tyson and Coach with Sierra and Brendan which leaves Erinn as potentially extremely valuable (and no doubt wanting to eliminate the "jacka--") Merger is mentioned quite often, I would imagine it will be around the corner – who appears to need to advance? We have those with their impressions put forth and impressions made about them (Sierra, Stephen, Tyson, Erinn) We have plot points surrounding the foursome (though we all know that this doesn’t mean all four advance in the story) We have a battle outlined with Erinn and Coach. We also see that at the very least, Sydney, Debra and Joe received hardly any fleshing out in their persona or even a story. Long term players notwithstanding, I would hardly think they would be victorious. Erinn is interesting – there are some legs with her but I hope to see more than just her story running parallel with Coach. Stephen’s edit and Sierra’s edit are very intriguing that I question if the originators of this foursome will be outlasted by those they brought in. Tyson still nags at me; whether he is just a favored character – they are doing well by him by not making him a complete caricature. Coach – a story himself – heading for a great fall? I still take his words and tuck them away; he may not be the ultimate winner but I won’t discount what he says – it may be very important in how this season progresses.

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03-15-09, 03:22 PM (EST)

67. "RE: Episode 5 Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 03-15-09 AT 03:27 PM (EST)
It was nice to read your comments Veruca. As you noted, there are many interesting edits this season. Here is how I saw it:

Now that the players have met, gone past first impressions to build relationships, this episode’s theme revolved around what Jeff said at the end of Tribal: “Whether or not you believe what the people in your tribe are telling you.” With that in mind, I would have titled this episode:
Doubts and Beliefs.

Jalapao
Day 13
Stephen was scratching Taj's back.
Stephen said: “I never brought such pleasure to a woman before.”
Immediately after, Taj had a confessional: “We got rid of Sandy last night. I only wrote Joe’s name down because I didn’t want to put Sandy’s name down.”
Taj talked about the alliance with Sierra, Brendan and Stephen as she went with Stephen to fill the water canteen and make a detour towards the Tree Mail area.
She said: “We’re just set with the four people in place. All we need is the extra ammunition and then it’s on… I found the immunity idol and I felt a very huge sense of relief because everything is in place now. We have the foursome in place, we have the two immunity idols. All we have to do is make it to the merge with everybody intact. I just love it when a perfect plan comes together. It’s just so much fun.”
Taj was laughing.
Taj gave the idol to Stephen so he could hide it in his pocket.
Stephen had a confessional with the idol around his neck: “Taj and I found the idol together and she immediately handed it off to me… As long as it’s in my possession, I’m going to try to keep it in my possession. Theoretically, it is mine. I’m the one wearing the idol around my neck.”
Timbira
Day 13
Debbie told the tribe that they had to go to the river to wash the pots. Brendan and Sierra stayed behind to tend the fire.
The tense music told us the importance of the moment. Sierra made sure that everyone was gone and approached Brendan about the alliance. “Dude, you didn’t tell me… I’m going to kill you. Were you going to tell me, bastard?”
Brendan was laughing as we heard his confessional: “I didn’t get a chance to tell Sierra before the challenge… so it could have been disaster, it could have blown the whole thing up.”
Sierra told Brendan that the idol was inside tree mail. He said he had it. Sierra smiled.
Brendan went on: “The stage that we’ve set has worked and every time we have layered more people, we’ve gotten more and more powerful.”
Sierra said: “We’re going down to the end, no matter what. We rule. It’s over.”
Sierra, in confessional: “I want to praise the Lord. Amen, Jesus. After three days of being a loser when I first got here, I’m proud of myself. I’ve formed an amazing alliance. It’s really quite brilliant. We’re going to take over the whole world. That’s right.”
Now, Sierra was laughing.
The Reward Challenge
When Jeff said that Sandy had been voted out, Coach was heard saying: “It was only a matter of time.”
When Brendan picked Stephen to go to Exile, Taj said: “I love you”, Joe felt it was a classy move while Tyson was shown with a look of concern.
Tyson had a confessional: “I don’t know what’s going on in Brendan’s head but he’s made a lot of contact with the other tribe. Whether he’s built up friendships or alliances, I don’t know but he definitely seems to have some of their respect and it could be dangerous.”
Café Break
Taj was the main narrator of the reward: “I was very excited to win reward because every time we win reward, I end up going to exile…I was going crazy, I was so happy. It’s cool getting to know my tribe because, every time you go to exile, you separate yourself from your tribe. I’m not really worried about that because there’s a whole other story going on with the secret alliance that no one even knows about. I do have a Plan B so I don’t feel so nervous.”
Joe shared his thought: “I think Taj being gone all this time really hurts her because the rest of us have been able to gain some trust with each other and even talk strategy and she hasn’t had the opportunity to create a tighter bond.”
JT found the letters from home.
We saw everyone’s reaction and then Spenser told us: “It was the best reward we’ve had so far.”
We heard Joe and JT mention some intimate details but again, it was Taj who had a confessional: “Being out here so long, you almost forget what home is like and what the people that you love are like. To get a letter… that was just icing on the cake. I would have been sick if I had to go to exile.”
Timbira
Day 13
Timbira was preparing for a meal, wondering why Brendan picked Stephen. Tyson walked over to Coach and Debbie and voiced his concerns: “Guys, I think Brendan’s trying to build relations with the other tribe. He’s got to go next.”
Debbie answered: “Tyson, you cannot tell Sierra. She will not be with us.”
Coach had a confessional: “Brendan, right now, the way he is going to exile and who he’s choosing to go to exile, is making strong allies. If we merge, he has control of the game and I’m a bystander. I certainly don’t want that to happen.”
The editors chose this moment to show us that even Mother Nature can be used to contradict Coach! He noted that the wind was changing, sign that a storm was approaching but: “It won’t be too crazy because the clouds are breaking up on the horizon.”
Debbie asked: “Do you think that’s coming this way?”
Coach answered: “I think it’s gonna go just past us.”
That’s when the deluge began!
Under the pouring rain, Erinn had the comment of the night: “Coach is kind of a jackass. He’s been running his mouth about the weather at camp. I think Coach really truly wants to be this like “Survivor Man”. I would not be surprised if, when this game is all said and done, Coach said: “Gotcha! I’m an accountant. I’ve never left Nebraska!!”
(Notice that the part about “this game is all said and done” was in voice-over while Sierra and Erinn were shown on screen)
Exile Island
Day 14:
Brendan showed Stephen around his vacation pad while asking him if he had chatted with Taj.
Brendan had a confessional: “I picked Stephen to go to exile in order to put the final piece of the puzzle in place. He didn’t know me, he didn’t know Sierra so I am really excited to catch up with him, about how we can work together just to make him feel comfortable with that alliance.”
Stephen revealed that they had found the immunity idol.
Brendan’s confessional went on: “When Stephen and I first arrived, we started talking immediately and he told me that he has the hidden immunity idol. I told him that I also found the idol so, now, this 4 person alliance has both immunity idols which is great because it’s going to put us in a powerful spot.”
Stephen had a confessional: “Brendan, my first impression of him is positive but weary. He is obviously an extremely strong player and he is mentally strong and he’s clearly strategically strong. But, you know, it’s hard to trust someone who… I’ve known him for five minutes so I can’t place my entire faith in the game on him. I might keep this two tribe alliance in the back of my head as something that might be there but I can’t put my entire faith in this 4 person alliance.”
Jalapao
Day 15
Sydney was telling Spenser about her crazy dream that involved her boyfriend Kelly. After telling him that she wanted to marry Kelly, she asked if there was a girl in Spenser’s life.
Spenser had a confessional: “My tribe mates are not aware that I am gay… There’s not much to gain by people finding out…”
That’s when Joe and JT arrived with Tree Mail that told them that “Connecting with your tribe will keep you alive.”
Spenser’s confessional went on, showing that he wasn’t connecting with his tribe and therefore setting up his boot: “Guys like JT, typical Southerner, people who are generally not quite as accepting of homosexuality. I don’t know if he is one of those guys but they could be inclined to get rid of me just based on the fact that I am gay. This is one of the reasons why I keep it a secret.”
The Challenge:
Note that, when Jeff said “one of you will be voted off” the camera focused on Spenser and Erinn, reminding us of her predicament.
As he had said after reading tree mail, JT proved that he could indeed catch anything, leading his team to an early 4-2 advantage.
Joe’s words: “I hurt my knee back there” were shown on screen.
Note that we didn’t hear anyone complaining that Sierra wasn’t doing a good job guarding JT but we heard JT tell Taj to step up against Brendan even if she said: “I am doing my best”.
Even Jeff said: “Taj is wearing down, giving Brendan a big opening.”
As soon as Tyson started catching balls in front of Spenser, we started hearing JT’s complaints such as “Stop them from scoring would be the best thing.”
Then we saw a silent communication between Debbie and Tyson while Brendan told Erinn to launch the ball short. Tyson was ready for the grab. Debbie congratulated Tyson with a kiss while we saw JT’s frustration.
After Jeff underlined JT’s “amazing effort” and gave him back his tooth, JT had a confessional: “I’m doing everything I can to win…but it seems like some people aren’t giving it their all. I don’t want to get rid of anyone but it’s got to be Spenser.”
Jalapao
Day 15
Back in camp, Taj had a confessional: “I was hot today. I was so hot, I was exhausted. And I was hot being angry. That challenge today frustrated me to no end. It was brutal. Joe and JT got beat up bad and I was angry because I fell short today. I think I am a target but I believe that they are crazy to keep Spenser over me if they are trying to keep the tribe strong.”
In their usual discussion in the lake, Taj angrily told Stephen, JT and Joe that they needed to keep their emotions out of it and think for the team.
JT and Stephen said they trusted Taj as did Joe but Taj wanted to know why he never came to talk to her: “You never come to me and say let’s do this together… I’m sick of this game.”
That outburst caused Joe to react in confessional: “Taj was hot at me, I really don’t know why… I think moves like that will get you voted off. If Taj has the idol, I think that’s the best decision.”
With Taj having left the 3 guys alone, Stephen tried to calm things down by saying: “I think she’s just scared… What do you think?”
Joe said “She’s next.”
That led to Stephen’s confessional: “I have a really tough choice ahead tonight. Theoretically, I am better served by Taj going home without the idol because that means it’s mine to keep. But Taj is my connection to the Timbira side of the exile alliance, Brendan and Sierra. So, I am not totally clear what I am going to do.”
Unaware of Stephen’s thoughts, Taj had another confessional: “It could be it for me tonight but I have the immunity idol and I have Stephen keeping an ear out for anything that could be going on. He’ll let me know if I really need to pull it out or not.”
Spenser knew that JT was frustrated at him so he went to talk to the guys in the lake. JT told him how he felt but that he couldn’t talk for the whole tribe. Spenser said that JT had pull on the tribe and he tried to convince him that he was not the worse person to keep around.
JT directly admitted that it was either Spenser or Taj.
Tribal Council:
- Asked about his performance in the challenge, Spenser admitted it was pretty pathetic.
<JT shown nodding on screen>
- Taj said: “Everybody’s frustrated <JT agreeing with a smile> so we have to believe that the next challenge, we’ll be able to tie it up and go into the merge even at least… I just kind of blew up <JT frowning and looking over as did Joe> It was so mismatched…I got upset.”
- Joe said: “It’s never pleasant to walk into a room and have fingers pointed at you especially when it isn’t warranted <JT nodding again>
- Asked if she was worried her outbursts could cost her, Taj replied: “Anything can cost you in this game… <Stephen looking on> I felt that I was out the door. It’s a feeling you get that your head is next <Joe looking on> and I was pissed off because, at every challenge, I do give 100%.”
- Spenser knew what Taj was talking about because he felt it too.
- Taj explained how going to Exile Island so often had started to put a target on her back because: “We are down to no more expendable people. I’m that person. If they think I have the idol, I don’t need to be here because I’d be a threat.”
- Jeff asked Joe how he dealt with Taj possibly having the idol. He didn’t know if she had it but he hadn’t heard her say she didn’t have it. After some back and forth, Taj finally told him that she didn’t have the idol. <Stephen shown with a smile>
Jeff concluded the council by saying “that is what it comes down to. Whether or not you believe what the people in your tribe are telling you.”
During the vote Stephen was shown as if still considering his options.
When Jeff said that Jalapao had lost momentum we were shown Sydney’s look of resolve.
The Characters:
Looking first at the eliminated player, we can say that Spenser, despite being a very small character in this game, had been given some narration duties. His final episode made us connect with him and his dilemma. Since it wasn’t relevant to the vote, hearing Spenser talk about his “secret” only served to make us feel bad for his situation. Even if it wasn’t enough to make him a ‘Victim” it isn’t a good sign for the person that was responsible for his eviction.
Joe: His story lacks continuity. His flirt with Sydney wasn’t revisited, that story was pretty much killed by letting us hear Sydney talk about marrying her boyfriend. Joe only served to create doubt in Taj’s story, letting us know she is a target because of her outbursts and having the idol. The only continuity we have for Joe is that the game is beating him up. First, we saw the shoulder give out in the weight challenge and then his knee was hurt in the IC. That could be to prepare us for his elimination.
Sydney: Speaking of someone who lacks continuity in their story, we have our model. Her strategy to flirt wasn’t developed and, more importantly, she wasn’t even considered as an option to vote out. Some may say that it’s good for her, that she found a way to become a valuable member of the tribe considering Taj’s comment: “We are down to no more expendable people”. Just last week, some in Jalapao considered her as more expendable than Sandy! As good as it is from a game stand point, from an editing perspective, it is terrible. We were given absolutely no reason for her sudden move up the pecking order. That makes me think that Sydney will leave without a whimper. Her time will simply come up and her torch will be snuffed without much drama.
JT: He continues to believe in his abilities and he delivers every time. Spenser’s comment that he has pull in the team and the focus on his reactions at Tribal is meant to show the audience that JT is the leader in Jalapao. He is a nice guy that puts an amazing effort in this game but he isn’t receiving any end game story. Compared to Stephen, JT’s story has stood still since the beginning. Despite being strong in the games, JT isn’t in THE Game. We don’t hear him talk of alliance, he says he trusts Taj but he puts her on the chopping block. And now, Spenser's eviction was put squarely on his shoulders.
Coach: His own personal story connected with the season’s story of the cross-tribal alliance. He served to create doubt regarding that alliance. Coach is now aware of what Brendan is up to and he doesn’t like it. Since Coach vowed that he will not let Brendan take control after the merge, we can assume that Brendan will take control!
Debbie: She still has no story. In this episode, she was only used to put some doubts in the viewers’ mind regarding what will happen to Sierra if Timbira goes after Brendan.
Tyson: He has moved past his obsession with Erinn to create doubt around Brendan and his cross-tribal alliance. Joining up with Coach and Debbie, he would need either Erinn or Sierra to get Brendan out next. Since they don’t want to talk to Sierra about it, that means he’d have to get Erinn’s vote. How unfortunate! Tyson will go far but I still think he will not outlast Erinn.
Taj: She believes in the secret alliance and she believes in Stephen. One of the two will cause her downfall: Either Stephen will want to vote her out to keep the idol or, if Jeff’s comment during the challenge served as foreshadowing, Brendan will find an opening when she tires and lets her guard down.
Stephen: He stepped up his game this week and he becomes an attractive possibility as far as winning the season. However, I see him as serving to create doubt within the secret alliance, not overthrowing it. His own portrayal keeps focusing on his indecisiveness: He says he might keep the alliance in the back of his mind but he doesn’t tell us what his first plan is. He theoretically believes that it would be best if Taj left but he is not totally clear on what he is going to do. There will be tough decisions to make and I don’t see Stephen finding the right answers in time.
Erinn: We didn’t see much from her but she still had the confessional of the evening. Mother Nature was used to set up Coach as her straight man so she could deliver her punch line. It shows that she keeps her focus on Coach but we would need to hear where she stands regarding Sierra and Brendan to solidify her case as eventual winner. I see her as outlasting Coach and Tyson so that, in itself takes her deep into the game.

Brendan: He is the focus of doubts from all sides. Tyson, Coach and Debbie are aware of his position with the other tribe and Stephen is worried about his strength and strategic skills. Contrary to Taj, we did hear Brendan say right from the start that he saw the red flag concerning Coach. Brendan told us how he intends to play this game. It took a long time before we heard it spelled out but Stephen finally confirmed the first impressions that Brendan had made. Brendan’s portrayal could fit that of the winner of this game.
Sierra: We heard her make sure that the tribe was out of earshot before expressing her doubts to Brendan. Her cautious approach was rewarded by the news that Brendan had found the idol and that the alliance was in place. There is still doubt on the alliance in general and for Sierra in particular regarding what will happen if Brendan gets targeted. Her story has the continuity that some others lack. I think that, as the camera showed, when this game is all said and done, Sierra will be there.

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03-15-09, 05:04 PM (EST)

68. "RE: Episode 5 Editing"

Wonderfully put VS, you truly have a gift for separating BS from reality (this is good because I don't have to think so hard )
With a different person and even a different season, her words may be construed as completely over confident and somewhat condescending. I don’t think however the editors intend that with Taj. I do think the overextended focus on how “set” they are (stated by Taj, Brendan and Sierra) is meant as a warning but not intended to focus negativity on the people saying it;
Well said and this explains why even though Taj says the words that would send me into a "oh oh, this is doomed" mindset I never felt quite right with that thought.
Sandy is noted to be eliminated as Coach comments: “…only a matter of time”
Jalapao wins and an interesting scene is shown that again, one has to question why it was shown unless it is an upcoming plot point.
While watching Coach's comment I said to K.O. (the puppy who loyally ~~watches~~ snoozes through the show) "It's only a matter of time for that yahoo too." I don't get a comeuppance feeling from his snuffing, it's more of a game is over for Coach resignation feeling. I wonder if his eventual demise will be more of a whimper then a bang.
we have still yet to see Tyson outwardly speak the way he confessionally speaks
And this seems to define Tyson, without his confessionals he would seem to be a goofy character worthy of screen time but not seemingly perceived as threat physically or mentally by his fellow campers. He is able to keep his own council while furthering his game without worrying anyone. He's throwing doubt on Brendan while being a complete challenge monster yet we aren't told by tribe mates that they have concern over him as they near the merge. Coach hasn't given him much credit other then being appointed his assistant while he has noted Brendan's abilities. Coach, the the oracle for being wrong about everything which makes his perceptions almost a sure bet for lets think the opposite.
I question if the originators of this foursome will be outlasted by those they brought in.
Very astute and much inline with the first impressions theme of this season. Will the two who were originally in Stephen's case "to be led around" and Sierra's "sick and weak" be the ones to outlast the rest of the pack?
I so enjoy your posts!

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03-17-09, 10:39 AM (EST)

71. "RE: Episode 5 Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 03-17-09 AT 10:41 AM (EST)
Okay, it seems that RL keeps me a bit too busy to go over the shows and get all of the specific details, yet this week, with the recrap and break, I am able to add my 2 cents. Which, btw, are indeed quite similiar to others here.
I really like to note what the camera focuses on in conjunction with the dialog...it's fun to catch the episodal editing, and then the long-range story editing.
Jiffy gives his recap of the story to date and ends it with, the tribes dead even at 6 a piece,(Stephen noted on screen), it's anyone's game(Taj focused upon at this time), 12 are left who will be voted out (focus now on Spencer) tonight?(focus moves to Sydney). **Note, right off the bat, during Jiffy's revamp the stage is set, that it will be one of Spencer or Sydney who is voted out tonight!!!
Scene one starts with Taj and Stephen, as he notes that he's never provided such pleasure to a woman before, and she replies, You're doing it, you're doing it! Then alot of the story is provided by Taj as she recalls that we got rid of Sandy, I only wrote Joe as I didn't want to put Sandy's name down....so, we are told that there is no conflict with Joe and Taj, but I get the impression that indeed there is...?
Taj then goes on to talk about the cross tribal, 4 way alliance and that it's all in place, now she has to focus and find the HII. Taj now is running to tree mail, while a shrill screaming type of music is playing, obviously building to a climax, which is exactly what happens. Taj finds the HII. Then she goes on to say what a relief it was and again emphasizes the perfect plan, it's so much fun and then the sinister laughing...I get the feeling that this is indeed overkill, which leads me to believe that the "perfect plan" isn't so perfect and that it will indeed be Taj that will be the one that the plan backfires on...additionally, I feel that it will be her choice of the Jalapao partner that will foil her perfect plan...Stephen, as just as Taj is shown laughing about it all, we cut to Stephen as Taj passes the idol to him and we hear him speak...as Taj says first,
Stuff it in your pocket, hide it, keep it on you, they won't suspect you.*I am thinking more likely, TAJ WON'T SUSPECT YOU!!!..followed by Stephen's confessional...Taj and I found the idol together, she immediately handed it off to me as I was the one with pockets. As long as it's in my possesion, I'm going to try and keep it in my possesion. Theorhetically, it's mine. I'm the one wearing the idol around my neck. TOUCHEE! This spells the foreshadowing to me. Taj will be the victim at TC when Stephen has the idol around his own neck and will not sacrifice it for Taj?
After Stephen's confessional about the idol around his neck there is a scene with a soaring eagle and we cut to Timbira...We see the scene start with the Tribe awakening and going to get water, Sierra cleverly gets alone time with Brendan and says, dude, you didn't tell me, were you gonna tell me? Brendan notes that he was, and that it could have been disaster. Sierra goes on to talk about her time on EI with Taj getting the clue and showing it to her. We get a confessional from Brendan who notes everytime we got more people into the plan, we've gotten more and more powerful, as you see Sierra and Brendan high five each other, then we have Sierra's confessional. We rule, hallelujah, praise the Lord, amen Jesus, after 3 days of being a loser when I first got here, I'm so proud of myself! I formed an amazing alliance, it's really quite brilliant. We're gonna take over the whole world! That's right! and emaphasizes the statement with a laugh, as Taj did at the end of her confessional. Somehow, Taj's laugh was much more sinister to me...
I definately agree with the others in this thread that have noted the importance of this 4 way alliance. It will, imo, impact this game. However, the one that will be sacrificed will indeed be Taj, as she never "suspected" Stephen to be untrustworthy...her first impression of him as the nerdy, most likely to be trustworthy, guy will turn out to be the WRONG impression of him. Who knows, I could be wrong, as these are just my "impressions"...
Cut to the RC: We see Timbira arrive, then Jalapao, As Jiffy tells them Sandy is voted out, we hear Coach interestingly noting to Erinn, It was a matter of time, as Erinn nods agreement. **Coach and Erinn are definately a pair for me this season. On one hand we have Coach's opinions and assessments, and then we have the counter opinion on what Coach is thinking, from Erinn...He could be the yin, while she is the yang? I don't know, but their story lines are indeed intertwined. Who knows, perhaps when one is gone the other will quickly follow?
As Jiffy notes, One person from the Charmin Cafe will not enjoy the reward, we see Stephen go, UGH!!!. The challenge ensues as Joe is pulling Taj, and Brendan is pulling Tyson, and we see Stephen yelling "Come on Taj". The round ends and we see Brendan and Tyson high five and Brendan hugs him, but Tyson is focused on Coach who, as Brendan is hugging him, he double high fives....(my thoughts...Tyson is indeed more interested in being Coach's co-coach...)
The second round we have Stephen spinning Spencer, and Coach is spinning Erinn(interesting to see Coach and Erinn paired again), and interesting to note that Stephen and Spencer beat Coach and Erinn. The third round we have Joe spinning JT, and Brendan spinning Sierra, (Interesting that Brendan and Sierra are paired). JT wins round 3, JT and Joe high five and bump.
Round 4 has Coach spinning Debbie, while Stephen spins Sydney. JT yells so we can hear, Stephen, you are beating him, baby!, thus emphasizing Coach's less than stellar challenge performances. Sydney wins the whole match, Taj picks her up and flings her as we see the bummed Coach who is disappointed, and then immediately followed by the bummed and disappointed Co-Coach, Tyson. Tyson is also strictly associated with Coach, as is Erinn, imo, but Tyson is his ally, co-coach, while Erinn is his nemesis, or the anti-coach..
Brendan gets chosen to go to EI, and he takes, Stephen, which we knew would happen when we saw Stephen say, UGH! at the beginning of the challenge when Jiffy noted that one from the winning tribe would miss the reward and have to go to EI.
Then we get Tyson's observations regarding the contacts with the other tribe made by Brendan, and him questioning those friendships or alliances and noting that this could get dangerous. Clearly, this is the set up to the revelation that indeed Brendan has cross tribal alliances and that his current tribemates are on to him. Indeed, as Coach will note later, the plot thickens.. As the Jalapao tribe leaves, we see Spencer and Sydney at the end...the pecking order, perhaps?.
The reward starts with festive music and singers, we see the cafe and goodies and Taj tells us all about it. She is the narrator here. I am reminded that narrators often go around merge time, or promptly thereafter???
Interesting that we get a confessional from Taj noting that it's cool to get to know my tribe, everytime you go to Exile, you just separate yourself from the tribe(Joe seen)...but, I'm not really worried about that cuz there's a whole nother story going on, a secret alliance that no one even knows about, so , I do have a plan B, so, I'm not so nervous - points to Joe - You spun me around like a damn tornado.... and this is followed immediately by a confessional from Joe pointing out, I think Taj being gone all this time really hurts her, all the rest (Sydney shown) of us, we've been really able to gain some trust with each other and even talk (JT seen) strategy and she hasn't had the opportunity to create a tighter bond...(So, this is implying that Sydney and Joe trust each other and that JT and Joe talk strategy...
I also note as with Coach and Erinn, that Taj and Joe seem to be counterparts....they seem to be pitted against each other, imo.
Then we get confessionals from our lowest people on the Jalapao totem pole. First from Sydney, she's so happy...then from Spencer who reflects on the letters from home, the reminder that your family is at home waiting or you, there is something outside of the game...cut to seeing Spencer crying, followed by Sydney crying....I think clear foreshadowing, that one of these two will indeed be going home.
Cut to Timira and Tyson noting that Brendan is trying to build relations with the other tribe, he's gotta go next, and then Deb notes, Do not tell Sierra, she will not be with us. Then we get a confessional from Coach, Brendan is making strong allies, if we merge he has control of the game and I'm a bystander, and I certainly don't want that to happen.
Then, we get Coach talking about the storm approaching and the breeze shifting and he notes that it's gonna go just past us, cut to pouring rain, and Erinn, the yang to coaches yin, comments. Coach is kind of a #####, he's been running his mouth about the weather. I think Coach really truly wants to be this survivor-man, I would not be surprised if when this game is all said and done, Coach says, "Gotcha, I'm an accountant, I've never left Nebraska!" (Coach seen rubbing his forehead)...
Cut to Exile. We see Brendan taking Stephen around "his vacation pad"...putting the final piece of the puzzle in place, making 'him' comfortable with the alliance, noting the view from where they are currently standing...the view from a cross tribal, 4-way alliance, that is!...Stephen remarks, wow, it's like an oasis. Brendan continues to note the powerful position they are all in...I'm in agreement, they are in a powerful position...then we get a confessional from Stephen. Brendan, my first impression of him is positive but weary, he's obviously an extremely strong player, he's mentally strong, and clearly strategically strong...I am thinking, sounds much like the FIRST IMPRESSION that Coach made of Brendan as well!!, It's hard to trust someone who I've known 4 to 5 minutes. I can't place my entire faith in the game on him...(and this sounds just like the reaction Brendan had to Coach's approach to Brendan in the first minutes of the game!!! Clearly, this is a very important revelation to us, the viewers). Stephen continues, so, I might keep this 2 tribe alliance in the back of my head, as something that might be there, but I can't place my entire faith on this 4 person alliance....yes, surprisingly similiar to Brendan's reaction to Coach in the early game.
Cut to a wombat or some kind of rodent, and then to Sydney, who is talking about her boyfriend that she dreamed aobut, and it gets to Spencer's revelation in confessional that he's gay, and that he has not told his tribe, and that guys like JT, southern, not quite as accepting of homosexuality, may be inclined to get rid of him...is Spencer paranoid here?
Cut to the IC, welcome back Brendan, as Coach notes, Welcome back!, as we see Sierra pat Brendan on the back, and over at Jalapao's mat, we see Taj pat Stephen on the back! We hear Jiffy note, Immunity, back up for grabs!, as we see the camera focus on Sydney, and JT shaking his head, and Jiffy continues, the losing tribe, (focus on Tyson - I find this interesting as I know that Tyson is not losing this challenge, yet they focused on him when Jiffy stated, the losing tribe, will Tyson be a loser of the game?, just crossed my mind...), Jiffy continues, Tribal Council, (Spencer seen), and somebody will be voted(Spencer still seen), out of this(Erinn seen), game. This implies to me that if Jalapao loses, Spencer will be voted out, and if Timbira goes to TC, Erinn will be voted out...
Jiffy explains the challenge, Sydney and Stephen are the launchers, and Erinn and Debbie are as well. Brendan just misses, JT, with great snag for Jalapao. Next, JT with another great catch, Joe in and out, which doesn't count. JT snags one for Jalapao, 2 - 0. Next, Brendan with a nice catch, JT just misses. Brendan with a great snag, JT says, Taj, come on baby, Taj replies, I'm doing my best! Jiffy notes Taj is wearing down that's giving Timbira a big opening!
Next, JT snags another one, he lost a tooth! Tyson almost snags it, JT another one, unbelievable, as we see Brendan frustrated and banging his racket into the water...Tyson, nice grab for Timbira, as we hear JT, Come on Spence! Let's do this! Tyson snags another one, JT yells, "Come on Spencer!". Tyson Scores, JT just misses for Jalapao(note that Sierra is all over JT), see Debbie and Erinn joyful and jumping. JT slams the water, Brendan and Tyson high five, see Stephen then Sydney, then Spencer as we see JT is really mad, then cut to down-trodden, Spencer. We then see Deb and Tyson kiss, Timbira! As Jiffy gives the idol to Deb. We see Taj, spitting, JT, and we hear Sierra say, good job, Jalapao, as Spencer is sitting with his head down and he waves and wipes his face. Jiffy comments, the only thing I have for you is your tooth. Cut to confessional of JT, and he says, I'm doing everything I can to win and I don't want to get rid of anyone but it's gotta be Spencer, as we see Spencer pick up the Jalapao flag to leave...This spells doom for Spencer, to me
Cut to Taj in confessional, narrating again, I was hot today, exhausted, hot and angry, it all frustrated me to no end, it was brutal. We now see Joe checking out his hurt knee, Joe and JT got beat up bad, I was angry because I fell short today, they are crazy to keep Spencer over me, Spencer's pplay was far worse than anybody elses. Now we see a crocodile out in the water and we now cut to the river scene with Taj, JT, Joe, Stephen and we hear Taj, Whatever we need to do next to make it even, 5-5. Everybody needs to leave their emotions out of it and think what's best for the team. I mean everybody! JT notes, well, if it makes you feel any better, Taj, I trust you more than I trust other people in the tribe. and Stephen notes that he does too, but Taj questions Joe, Why don't you come to me for an ally? and Joe notes in confessional, Taj was hot at me today, I really don't know why. Moves like that oughta get you voted off.... Then we cut back to the water, and Stephen notes that she's just scared, when Taj stomps off, and then asks, what do you think, JT? JT replies, She's next...then the scene ends with focus on Stephen and Stephen notes in confessional, I have a really tough choice ahead of me, I am better served by Taj going home without the idol because that means it's mine to keep, but right now she is my real connection to the Timbira side of EI, Brendan and Sierra, so I am not really sure what I am going to do...
So, Stephen is faced with a problem that will ultimately decide his fate. Right now he notes that he is better served by booting Taj as the others may want because that will leave him in sole possesion of the idol, but clearly, that will sever his ties with the others on the Timbira tribe, which will effect his late game...so, what will he do? I think that JT said, "she's next", inferring that to be after Spencer goes this week, so, indeed this conflict will play out eventually for Stephen.
Cut to TC, and the drama is between Taj and Spencer, and then Joe chimes in regarding believing Taj, that she doesn't have the idol. It is a unanimous vote for Spencer, clearly JT is calling the shots. Jiffy ends the TC noting that they have indeed lost momentum.
Right now I do believe that the cross tribal alliance(Brendan, Sierra, Stephen, Taj) of four is going to be powerful and a force to be reckoned with. I do think that Taj will be the one of the four that will be victimized down the road. I do see both Tyson and Erinn having stories that are intertwined with Coach, I suppose that could be said for Debbie as well, but I don't see Debbie as a significant player...then again, look how significant Bob was in the early game, he was practically oblivious....so, perhaps I should not discount her...yet. I think that Joe and Taj are at odds and one will perhaps lead to the others demise...Sydney's story is already over, imo.

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03-15-09, 01:29 PM (EST)

66. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

LAST EDITED ON 03-15-09 AT 01:43 PM (EST)
In episode 4, after Jerry's eviction, and after the TC where leadership was discussed; Tyson said,“Last night at tribal, we established a leader. I guess Brendan or Coach is the leader. I don’t know, I wasn’t paying attention, I don’t really care.”
That is just Tyson's sense of humor, his head is most definitely in the game. He was the first to point out that Brendan could be forming alliances with members of Jello Pow. Debbie's head is also in the game as she told Tyson not to tell Sierra ... obviously observing Sierra and her role in the tribe.
The next scene is a Ben Confessional ... “Brendan right now, the way he's going to exile and the people he's choosing ... is making strong allies. If we merge he has control of the game and I'm a bystander and I certainly don't want that to happen.“
The next scene Ben observes the weather and says,"Feel the breeze shift..." Everybody has commented of Ben's meteorological skills - or lack of same - what I heard was, "Feel the shift?" as a symbol of how the game was about to shift.
Tyson, Ben and Debbie seem to be tight; Brendan and Sierra seem to be tight, and Erinn doesn't seem to have an ally ... but if she does, it would seem to be with Brendan and Sierra.
At Jello Pow Taj seems to have an alliance with Stephen, but as commented on already, that isn't as secure as Taj suspects. In the RC we see JT as Stephen's biggest cheerleader when Stephen is pulling the rope to spin Sydney. IMO that is a symbol of a lasting alliance. But, like Cesternino, Stephen can play Taj, and Brendan, as long as it is to his benefit.
Right now it is 6 - 5, with Timbira leading in tribe-members and likely one IC to go before merge. As long as Taj is not eliminated in Ep 6, the "secret alliance" will be well positioned ... except they will not necessarily have enough votes to take control of the game. Will they try to recruit JT and/or Erinn? A 4 person alliance doesn't have any control until there are only 7 people left.
Will the coach, co-coach and principal ask a hairstylist to join them, and then recruit someone from Jello Pow to make a fifth? That seems unlikely, but as the game shifts the need for numbers becomes imperative. Or will coach see the shift, but is wrong (again) in predicting how it will turn out?
Will Tyson pull a Cesternino and shift alliances soon after merge, and blindside someone? And at the same time put himself in a more powerful situation. He knows he can beat Ben at any time - he is both more physical and smarter - and that's why he has aligned himself with the maestro of disaster. Wouldn't it be interesting to see the most powerful F4, as Ben predicted, and that 4 is Tyson, JT, Stephen (mentally strong) and Brendan.
ETA. During the letter reading Spencer has a confessional, where he says," ... there is something outside the game." A clear prediction of his fate.

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03-17-09, 01:43 AM (EST)

70. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

LAST EDITED ON 03-17-09 AT 01:43 AM (EST)
Isnt it very plausable that we will see Coach in the Final 5 with 4 of the percieved "weak" players: Erinn, Debbie, Sierra and Stephen????? Irony at it's best, when he then gets the BOOT

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03-17-09, 09:52 PM (EST)

72. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

electropoprebel - IMO there are a lot of plausible scenarios at this time. TDT suggests that Ben makes F5 and returns home having lost considerable weight and walking with a cane. Ben likes to think he is in control, but the real players will let him think that for as long as he is useful. We have already seen how Tyson identified the situation of Brendan forming alliances with Jello Pow and told Ben and Debbie. Next thing we know Ben has a confessional about it ... as if he made the discovery. Tyson , or someone else, can continue to plant ideas in Ben's mind, and he will delude himself into believing they are his ideas.
JP has also said there are a lot of blindsides this season, so there are still several to go. Eliminating the stronger players after merge shouldn't be considered blindsides ... it's the way the game is played. Lulling someone who has a HII into false security and then sending them to the Ponderosa is a likelihood ... possibly more than once. Fiji showed us how to manipulate the use of the HII to protect the wrong person. And I wonder if someone will believe in a freakin' stick.
I'm not suggesting that Tyson, JT, Brendan and Stephen are the F4, that would be outrageous considering the practice of eliminating the strong. Why not have Erinn, Debbie, Sierra and Stephenas the F4? ... but, like Cesternino, I don't think Stephen has enough strength to win the F3 endurance challenge, so this F4 would result in a Tim Bits winner.

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03-26-09, 09:51 AM (EST)

73. "Post Recrap Thoughts..."

I just jotted down a few notes on the recrap, alot of interesting things, I thought.
At the beginning they noted the first impressions theme...Sierra was commented on by Debbie as the one that didn't want to be there...her first impression, and is Sierra, or has she, changed that impression?
Tyson commented on Coach, as did Stephen. Tyson noted that he looked like he was going to be good to have around, and then Coach tells us that he will take the leadership role...as we see him just standing around the truch evacuation, as the others are scrambling...Stephen also notes that the "Stephen Segal" look-a-like looks pretty good to have around....are these first impressions the same now or different? Clearly, the editing has Coach as someone that is not living up to the first impressions of him, as Sierra is surpassing the first impressions of her....
Joe comments on his first impressions of JT, as he is the brawn guy, and I'm happy to let him take the lead, and then we see JT say a VERY SIGNIFICANT confessional...I'm here to win and I'm gonna win! But, why didn't this key confessional make the cut into the primetime show...hmmmm???
Taj noted that they others were going to get a false first impression of her because she thought that they would all look at her as fat, they were going to underestimate her. She noted that she was ALL muscle and would smoke them at all of the challenges...remains to be seen....foreshadowing???
Debra surpassed her own impressions of herself as she was seen eating raw minnows, something she never thought she could do.
Sydney was featured a bit. Mostly, the guys commented on her outward beauty, but she has alot more substance than that, and she proves it with the fire starting. She noted that I'm not just a girly girl. When Stephen, JT, Joe all fail at getting the fire started, Sydney tries and quickly succeeds, leaving Stephen to comment, Sydney got the fire started and she is my woodland goddess, therefore she's a big threat to me.... Is this foreshadowing, an explanation as to her impending boot, perhaps?
Tyson provides an answer to the question, Who am I?. He replies, I'm not your stereotypical mormon...as we see lots of Tyson's strategy playing out...amuse your tribe, run interference for the way you are seriously playing this game. We hear Debra comment that Tyson has a real possibility of winning this game, he's always cracking a joke...
Then we have the conflict with Coach and Sierra. First he is picking on her, and telling her to make fire and cook the beans, later we see that Coach justifies his commands and being hard on Sierra because he has greater expectations that he wants her to live up to...Sierra does think that Coach was being honest with this explanation and they hug...hmmm???
JT notes that he is the type that when he needs to get something done, he does it himself, as he proceeds to make the bedding higher and off of the ground. Stephen is his "little brother"...Sydney notes that JT holds the power, and that it is her plan to keep him close.
Then, conversely, there is the battle of the alpha males, as narrated by Debbie and Erinn, over at Timbira with Coach adn Brendan and their bench making competition. Is this a battle for tribal leader? Brendan then has a SIGNIFICANT confessional and notes, This game is about having a good time!...note the difference in JT's thoughts, and Brendan's...I do not think that Brendan will win this game...but, again, why wasn't this confessional in the regular show? Hmmm?
Then, we have shots of Taj crying because of her bug bites and the way she looks...again, I can not see Taj winning this show....and we see the sympathetic, Stephen...seeing why Taj inevitably chose him to be in the 4-way, cross tribal alliance with her...
Joe comments on JT leading, and then Erinn comments on "this #####", Coach. Really, Erinn's sole existance on this show seems to be just to call out and negate Coach. That's her story, I do not see her as a winner. When Coach is gone, I think that she will quickly follow.
Day 13: Coach and Tyson and their long term plans. We see Coach tell Tyson that he'll never vote him out, and that he's the most popular survivor out there, as Tyson agrees to the same with Coach....then cut to confessional where Tyson says, Coach is a coach, I don't perceive him as near the player that I am, leading me to believe that it will indeed be Tyson that may cut Coach's throat in this game, but I am beginning to wonder, will he succeed or will he end up cutting his own throat?....and then,
we have Stephen and JT and a SNAKE, with Stephen commenting on the prowess and great guy that JT is, but on the other hand, will he be trusted or something....leading me to believe that this bond will indeed break as well. I think the editors are forcing this betrayal down our throats!
This show leads me to believe: Sierra will defeat her first impression and LAST.
Coach does not live up to the impressions that he first gave the others.
Stephen will outlast Sydney.
JT will outlast Joe, but Stephen will outlast JT.
Brendan will not win this game. Taj will not win this game
Erinn will outlast Coach, and then leave.
Tyson will betray Coach which will lead to either the demise of Coach, OR, to his own demise...
But then again, this was the recap, and this did not make the show...so, maybe it's all misdirection...

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03-29-09, 02:16 PM (EST)

74. "Recap Editing"

flower - you summed in a few sentences near the end quite a bit of my own thoughts
Preamble
Some of the most memorable castaways yet (Taj, Tyson, Coach, JT)
They've been competing fiercely (Sierra/Sydney, Joe/Brendan, Tyson)
The beginning of the Exile Island Alliance is shown with Sierra and Stephen's name brought up to "work" by Taj
Brendan “You're the best accomplice ever.”
Timbira's fiasco at the blindfold challenge touched upon and Brendan founds the hidden idol
Erinn "Hey everybody, Jerry's sick, bye Jerry" (Not so quick Erinn; Timbira wins)
Sydney "I'm voting for Sandy because she's crazy!"
Taj "Do you want to be part of the biggest upset in Survivor history?"
Stephen "Yes I do"
Taj "Put this in your pocket... hide it"
Stephen "I might have just stumbled ##### backwards into a huge alliance"
JT shines at the catch challenge
Jeff: "Unbelievable" (Sydney shouts: JT!)
But Tyson catches the winning ball
JT "Somebody has to go tonight... Spencer"
Jeff “New scenes highlighting your favorite contestants (JT, Tyson, Sierra, Tyson, Stephen) and giving deeper insight (Erinn) into (Debra) the game” (Sydney, Sydney, Debra, Brendan, Stephen, Sierra)
We set with a flash on some definitely memorable characters but again, the Exile Alliance is noted and it is apparent that some fashion of this alliance makes an impact on the game. I do find it notable that we were shown specifically Taj telling Stephen to hide the idol much like when it did happen, we heard Stephen tell us how possession is 9/10’s of the law so it would be of no surprise if Taj is compromised by not having the idol in her possession. Of note were Erinn, Sydney and JT “featured” commenting about the boot candidate in their tribe although ultimately that probably does not mean much. As we see, “first impressions” is still being woven throughout the season and done repeatedly in the recap – what will be the question to look back upon is how this theme encompassed the end game, i.e. did the winner overcome their first impression given or did the winner play the game where the others’ first impression of that person was completely wrong?

First Impressions
Jeff "....they were about to begin a cutthroat game where first impressions (Erinn) meant everything"
Erinn (conf) "Being on the back of that truck really did give you a good amount of time to just size everybody up (JT, Sydney, Taj) and see what you are up against” (remainder of Jalapao tribe panned upon)
Brendan "As for first impressions of people, I try not to come into it with too many, I think that gets you in trouble a lot of times"
A directly oppositional viewpoint by Erinn and Brendan - who ends up being correct - do we size everyone up and gather our impressions or not attempt to do so as you may be incorrect. This also helps to tie in the ultimate outcome – were people “bamboozled” by what they perceived immediately and therefore incorrectly or did they simply give the benefit of the doubt and find trouble that way? Both of these characters may end up situated where they do because of how they chose to act upon their impressions.
Debra "My first impression of the girl in the gray t-shirt...she obviously was upset, she had her head down and yes it was hot, we were all hot but we weren't showing it (a flash of light shown on Debra sitting in the truck) and so I didn't really feel like she wanted to be here with us"
Sierra "It was blazing hot, I had a fever, I was so sick, I didn't give a flying f—k what they thought"
Tyson "We have the long haired guy who looks like the love child of Steven Sigal and The Last of the Mohicans so if he can pull any of those skills out... he's a good guy to have on your side I think" (Coach shown throwing a trunk to the ground)
Coach "I plan on day one to take the leadership role, now is that going to be a shared role? It depends.... I know who I am"
Stephen "We are screwed; they have Steven Sigal and what the hell are we going to do....(crash then shot to Coach) I have no idea." "We clearly have the physically weaker tribe. Um, there's the hot blonde...it's really going to be a shame when we have to vote her off" (Sydney)
Sydney "I guess I'm, you know, a professional model now...it's still kinda funny to me because I laugh at myself a lot"
Jeff "You guys have a long journey ahead of you..." (shot to Sydney)
Sierra, Coach, Sydney all received descriptions from others – how will their opinions bear out in their storyline? Sierra again was shown in the light we saw of the first episode (a continuation of her storyline; Tyson and Stephen both considered that Coach would be an asset (which contradicts how his edit has been shown thus far and interesting to me this recap was a parallel that occurred with Stephen and Sydney which we really did not see before and I do question if there is going to be some sense of “duel” with these two at some point
Jalapao
Jalapao "stumbled" out of the gate (discussion during the four hour trek)
Joe "JT, he's from ‘bama... JT's more of a brawn guy, not your sophisticate, intellect type guy" (JT shrugging)
JT "People's impression of me might be I'm a hillbilly sometime... I don't think a hillbilly will make it far in this game; there's no doubt in my mind I'd like to win... I'm here to win and I'm gonna win"
Taj "My biggest strategy... will be just kill em with kindness, I'll be so nice to them they won't want to kick me off because another thing I think they are underestimating about me is that I look fat but I'm not really fat, I'm muscular so when I'm winning challenges they won't have a reason to kick me off, they can't, I'll be so good at this, they won't be ready for me"
There were a few inserts in this episode with respect to JT and what he appears to be and his advisement that it is not so – perhaps he is one of those contestants that will prove others wrong
Timbira
Timbira now shown on the second day "without fire to cook their beans" (Brendan shown attempting to make fire) they had to resort to other sources of food...
Debra "I think it's going to be a lot harder than anyone realizes... we're trying to catch fish (Candace, Coach, Debra and Tyson in scene) we got a burlap bag..."
Coach manages to catch one tiny type minnow as Debra freaks a bit over eating it.
Debra "That is definitely not my character but I threw it in my mouth... to get a little protein"
Tyson "The fish, we just have little minnows to eat but we found that fruit that smells like foot" (Tyson is now put off by the fruit) "This is a Brazilian fruit...it kinda sucks all the saliva out of your mouth." (Sierra shown eating/grimacing. Tyson then Jerry shown eating) "Here there is nothing else to eat so I guess it's like G-d's candy in Brazil so thanks G-d"
Debra, while getting a higher “showing” in the recap seemed more relegated to narrator and while by episode standards does not appear in any “edited” danger is also not receiving much depth to her character – she is being “handled” as someone who has no true impact to the end story although in many seasons, characters such as Debra may do rather well but the ultimate plot really has nothing to do with her
Jalapao
Jalapao had a hard time starting fire. (Stephen trying to make fire, JT can't help, Joe tries to help - "fun" music plays, Sandy offers help)
Sydney "Stephen really wanted to make a fire; he's never made a fire... dinging away, it was hilarious, he could not make a frikking spark"
Stephen "On a scale of 1 to 100, my wilderness skills are about a 1. I cannot make fire and that is embarrassing" (Stephen hands it off to JT who has no such luck either)
Sydney "I grew up fishing with my dad.... so I've lived the outdoors, I'm not just a girlie girl you know, not just some pretty girl they can flirt with" (Sydney then offers to try - Stephen looks up from his nap and she makes fire with a "good job")
Stephen "At first Sydney was definitely getting by on her looks, charm... but Sydney made fire for us; she's a woodland goddess and I think for that reason she's a big threat to me"
Again, another parallel for Stephen and Sydney. What is unique in Stephen’s impression however, is that Sydney is NOT being underestimated by Stephen which is a bit different than some others impressions of people (for example Joe’s impression of JT later on and how we know through JT that he knows exactly what kind of impression he is giving off to some) Stephen is wary of Sydney and not being “bamboozled” – as already stated – I would not be at all surprised should there be some sense of showdown between these two. Sydney has never received a better “edit” than she did in this recap but it seemed tied with Stephen and I do question whether this push for Sydney is for the purposes of an upcoming storyline. I question why this was relegated to the recap. With regard to Stephen himself, while the editing did show Stephen as inept, I do believe the editors could have made him look more ridiculous than it did (as evidenced by the Coach scene in prior episode when he forecasted rain) Stephen was self deprecating and admitted he couldn't make fire so it helped to take off the sting of his fumbling around – he admits his problem and being out of his element whereas someone like Coach is edited looking ridiculous yet we are shown confessionals of his high regard for himself which makes him appear even more ridiculous. This may tie directly to a good showing for Stephen; he has been observed as someone out of his element but perhaps many of these contestants are forgetting there is more to Survivor than building and fishing and are underestimating Stephen

Timbira
Jeff: "Tyson was busy enhancing the first impression he made on his fellow castaways proving that value to a tribe can come in many ways.
(Tyson shown joking with Jerry in the water)
Tyson "Who am I? (scene of Tyson "dancing" with fun sound effects) That question. Who am I? (more of Tyson's antics) Pretty well balanced individual I'd say." (more of Tyson's antics with laughter and some shock from his tribe mates)
Debra "Tyson never ever ceases to amaze me (Tyson and his dancing) Honestly I think Tyson is somebody we'd better watch out. I think Tyson has real potential to win this game"
Coach "Tyson. He's always cracking a joke. One of a kind, that's probably what attracts me to him so much, you know, not in a sexual way" (More antics)
Tyson "I'm not the stereotypical Mormon; I respect the church and the people in it but for myself personally, there are things I want to do and not necessarily that are sinning (naked Tyson) We'll see what happens when I get home and everyone disowns me" (more naked Tyson with Brendan, Coach and Debra) "I'll probably have to move somewhere else, less Mormony"
Tyson has received very consistent editing throughout the season thus far – there has been no secret that Tyson is very capable of being at the end game yet something is just a bit missing; perhaps some missing conflict and the concern that with all his love for blindsides, he may be a receipient of one of them. I was very amused by his statement: "Who am I?" since that is something I have been questioning since the beginning
Timbiria
Jeff Sierra made a bad first impression (hair braiding by Erinn) with her tribe mates but by day eight her strength seemed to returning and Coach was ready to put her to work"
Coach "Sierra, how bout you cook the beans?"
Sierra "Make fire and the beans?" (Tyson appearing to be listening)
Coach explains as Jerry and Debra appear to be watching
Sierra "I've always seen two people do it"
Coach "....there's too many people around there.... so you put a log on the fire, another log on the fire and then stir the beans and wait" (Sierra heard saying uh huh with Debra in Coach's frame)
Sierra "Yeah I understand that"
Coach "Put another log on..."
Sierra comments about him talking to her like she is stupid and Coach responds that it doesn't take two people.
Sierra "Yeah but it's nice to have someone, like a female tending the fire...it's nice" (Jerry in her frame)
Coach "Sierra (Erinn appearing to be watching) we gotta do chores by ourselves, we can't all hold each other's hands and for you to say that you want somebody there to talk to, there's a lot of stuff to do"
Sierra "I know and I've been a part of it since day one"
Coach "I know that but I'm just saying that we got to start doing stuff independently as well" (Tyson shown walking in camp)
Sierra "Okay that's fine, what are you guys going to be doing while I'm doing that" (Jerry shown)
Coach "Fishing"
Sierra "All of you, fishing" (Jerry again)
Coach "...gonna take about four of us down there to surround the fish" "Is that gonna stress you out? It looks like it is stressing you out"
Sierra "Why don't you talk to me from over here so you don't get dirt in the beans" (Debra snorts/snickers)
Sierra "I'm one of the ones working the hardest so I'm really getting tired of people like Coach saying things like you need to do this and shaking their finger and coming down on me; they think they can because they are all older than me... it's only gonna make me turn on them faster"
Coach "I can be very condescending but as a leader or just as a person, that's not somebody I want to be. I was not being condescending towards Sierra, I was actually just trying to wean her.... I don't think she is going to realize her full potential when people keep coddling her"
Sierra and Coach on the beach
Coach "Not very talkative"
Sierra "I'm pissed"
Coach "So you want me to tell you why I was picking on you"
Sierra "Yeah"
Coach "I was gently trying to push you out of the nest and I wanted to see you expand yourself because I know you can; there's a part of your personality that is very dependent and independent (Sierra states: "true") same as me but you can never coast in life, in this game, you know that"
Sierra "Now that I think about it and start to cool off I don't think Coach thinks I'm stupid. I think he has higher expectations for me than he does for other people; he thinks of me as a strong female. You're gonna be harder on that one just so they play harder in a game....and I can very well be wrong but I think there's some good intent behind it"
Sierra thanks Coach and hugs him
An extremely manipulated scene which bodes well for Sierra. First impressions touched upon yet again, and really, no true reason this scene had to be shown whatsoever. The growth of Sierra and how she overcame first impressions would be rather fitting this season (and a nice little redemption for Coach in this recap considering his edit to date although this was more about Sierra) There was NO purpose to this scene other than casting a dimension to Sierra and it may prove interesting going back to Coach's first episode words of "worthy" opponents - Coach's "tutelage" so to speak may reflect the student surpassing the teacher. Would this not make a perfect moment in front of the jury with Coach waxing poetic on how he taught Sierra to become the “ultimate Survivor?”
Jalapao
Jeff "...the muck and grime of the game gave another chance for Sydney to prove her worth"
Sydney "It is so dirty, we live in ash...it's getting to us"
(Sydney shown stating she is "down" with a floor)
Sydney "JT has had the plan to lift our shelter off the ground and it's a good idea and I wanted to show him I was behind him 100 percent"
JT "When I want to get something done, I do it myself so I'm not just doing it to be the leader, I'm doing it... to get it done"
(Group is working hard with Stephen approaching asking to contribute with a couple of "awkward" glances in his direction)
JT "I did think Stephen was somewhat nerdy when we started out; it feels like I have a little brother, sidekick. He's definitely a city boy" (Sydney states they could use his help but alas Stephen drops items as JT watches)
Sydney "I think JT holds the power right now so I'm definitely trying to get on his good side a little bit, I think people have their first impressions of me and you know, I always try to prove that wrong. I think we did a good job on the floor. I think we'll sleep better...."
What I found most curious is Jeff’s narrative on how this scene showed Sydney proving her worth – frankly I didn’t see much of Sydney herself proving anything regarding “worth” so to speak other than her being there helping with the shelter – this scene showcased Stephen with the ongoing “inept city boy” persona as well as JT’s thoughts on his relationship with Stephen and Sydney’s thoughts about JT although she again touched upon people’s first impressions on her. Again, it is quite eyebrow raising as to the amount of time that Sydney received this recap in contrast with her edit thus far. It certainly would make for yet another good storyline that Sydney is viewed as one person as we learn she is so much more WITH the exception of Stephen not underestimating her and again I question if this more about an upcoming storyline of a “face off” between these two
Timbira
Jeff "The battle for tribe leader had been ongoing between Brendan and Coach and went toe to toe to provide comfort..."
(The "battle" of the best seat ensues with Brendan suggesting how Coach should make the seat and a contest begins)
Brendan "Coach is definitely a character, we are competing here and there but to me this is about having a good time, that's what we came out here to do so any time you're not you should check yourself and be like let's do it" (Joking during the "contest")
Erinn "There's a very serious contest vying for the alpha male happening right now , I don't think it has anything to do with benches...I think it is who can come out on top as usual" (Confessional with Debra standing with Erinn)
(More joking during the contest)
Debra "So we're having a bench building contest which we love because we'll have more seats and my idea is let's start having contests who could get the water fastest..." (Same confessional with Erinn who agrees and states "We'll judge them all")
(More joking with the contest and for once, Coach is actually, refreshingly fun to watch)
Brendan "I'm an entrepreneur so I started a business; when I think about business everyday when you build something from scratch, interacting with people you've never met before, is something I adore. You know Coach tries to act like a coach all the time, we're not out here to have a coach, we don't need one, we're out here to have friends, we're out here to work with people" (The contest "ends" with Brendan advising Coach "good job")
A fun fluff scene but does propel the hint of issue that was noted in prior episode with Tyson (and Coach) noting Brendan forging relationships with the other tribe and how he may be dangerous for them. Brendan’s confessional this recap have me concerned for his longevity. His noting they are there to make friends, work with people, have a good time and not get caught up in first impressions seem almost designed to showcase his putting trust in people and getting punished for it. Despite his safety with a hidden idol and his cross tribe alliance, there is something that tells me Brendan may be in danger
Jalapao
Jeff "Taj, used to a high standard of living was having a hard time adjusting to the elements"
(Taj in the water with Sandy discussing the bugs as Stephen comes over and ultimately tries to comfort her)
Taj "I got a little emotional because I just looked at myself and I just had a moment.. my back is destroyed and I still have to go home, I just don't want to go home looking like a wreck" (Taj in the water advising she can handle it, it is just the after effect) "Stephen came down and he talked to me and made me feel better but... (breaks down) I'm just having a moment... I'm just more determined now I cannot go home empty handed looking like this" (laughs)
A fluff scene for Taj but it may be telling in some fashion – I think all of us had surmised that of the Exile Alliance, Stephen and Sierra seem to have the “legs” of the foursome and with Stephen in possession of the hidden idol and this shown twice, Taj may be in a position where she needs this idol and doesn’t have it
Timbira
Jeff "After a restless night of sleep... Timbira still making discoveries about the danger of their environment"
Coach tells them he was having a nightmare when in was in the Amazon and a snake wrapped around his neck (Erinn inserted with a "look" that many of us have given when Coach regales about his life)
Debra "Last night Coach woke up and screamed snake; we thought he was dreaming and being silly or whatever...." (Lo and behold, a snake skin) "We've really got to be careful out here, this place is infested... so I'm being very careful as to where I step"
Coach "Hey, we're in the wild, that's what happens, we're part of their environment"
Debra heard stating "That just really bums me out" (however the shot moves to her and Sierra under the shelter where their faces appear more to be a "reaction" to Coach)
Jalapao
Jeff "JT and Joe enjoyed some good sporting fun though it didn't stop Joe from thinking about the game"
Joe "Right now it's probably JT leading... and I don't think there's a lot of tension between JT and I right now" (playing) "It's kind of nice to let somebody take over and the spotlight isn't on you. My kind of ace in the hole as compared to JT is going to be my strategy and kind of my social game moving forward. He's more of the basic kind of provider, kind of just alpha male type of guy" (A funny scene of JT hitting the "ball" with it landing right by Taj who looks around questioningly) "I'd imagine if we go further on in the game, it'll get a little tense and that's something I'm prepared for, I know that's gonna happen"
Finally a bit of insight from Joe though too little too late for my taste. I find it interesting that he states there isn’t a lot of tension between the two of them “right now” as well as stating it’ll get tense if “we go further” which has me question if there was some unseen issue between JT and Joe that wasn’t shown as it was not necessary to any story. Yet again we see an impression made and it may be the wrong one since JT told us himself that he isn’t quite the hillbilly that people mistake him to be – this confessional from Joe seems more about JT than Joe
Timbira
Jeff "After two visits to Tribal Council, spirits were down so Coach called upon his conducting skills"
(Coach shown "conducting" as the editors cheekily play the music that Coach is humming)
Erinn "Who is this jacka–?" "Coach is just the biggest joke on this planet. Like I'm in a weird position because I don't really like my tribe all that much and I don't really have the alliances out here (Brendan inserted, perhaps a question of the two of them?) but it be kinda fun to pretend for awhile like we're one big happy family, we're in love. Every time you get a couple more days out here, it's that much closer to a merge - if I can make it that far, it'll be interesting to see how that plays out" (Coach takes his bow)
A very interesting confessional from Erinn who is another puzzle to unravel – I do think Erinn has legs as quite a bit of storyline seems to hold promise for her and with her feelings about her tribe and a merger around the corner she would be the prime contestant to cast off her former tribe and stage a coup with those from Jalapao – with Stephen wisely finding out from Brendan that Erinn is “on the outs” Stephen’s discussion with JT may come to fruition with Erinn creating an alliance. There seems to be some long term storylines involving Erinn which bodes well for her although I am not as positive she has received as much manipulation to her edit as others – if, in fact, Erinn does turn on her back on Timberia and help create the demise of some of those members (Coach? Tyson?) these scenes about Erinn and with Erinn make sense to show but I don’t necessarily see her being manipulated just for the sake of being manipulated so my eye is on her for that type of tweaking
Timbira
Jeff "Coach and Tyson took advantage of an early morning walk to make some long term plans"
Coach "Time for a power meeting" (A nice symbolic shot of crocodiles shown)
Coach "I think we get rid of Erinn cause she's a cancer"
Tyson "Here's the thing, we can use Erinn for a few votes, she'll stick with us for that long"
Coach "I hate doing that, I don't trust her"
Coach "A lot of people don't like to talk about who's being eliminated, Tyson and I, we're thinking about it every day"
Coach "I'm going to tell you this, I told you on the first day, I'll never vote you out (Tyson says: yeah) and I'm telling you right now, man to man I won't go back on that" (Tyson says yeah me neither) "Like I told you, you are the most popular guy on this tribe and you'll be the most popular guy in this game, I ruffle people's feathers, that's just me, you say the same thing I do and everybody laughs, I say what you say and everybody's like whoaaaa that was wrong. (a crocodile swims by) I mean, I just wanted to let you know that"
Tyson "I'm the same way." (A subtle but definitive silence is shown then quickly a crocodile snapping down in the water reflecting blatant symbolism)
Tyson "What was that" (the crocodile is shown again)
Coach "We're alright" "You look for the cotton and I'm about ready to go to the bathroom on myself"
Tyson "Okay"
Tyson "Coach is a coach, you know. Right now I'm mostly agreeing with what he says but in this game I don't perceive him as being near the player that I am"
Shades of betrayal? Shades of blindsiding? There is quite a bit of “meat” here but whether this plays out long term remains to be seen. We see Tyson and Coach’s disagreement about Erinn and one may question if the one who made the wrong assessment leaves at the hands of Erinn as well. This partnership seems destined to fail and the crocodile imagery tends to make one think that Tyson may pull a fast one on Coach
Jalapao
Jeff "JT and Stephen were also discussing the future of the game"
Stephen "I feel confident we can find some division, four of us and two of them"
JT "I do like having Stephen around, he's from such a different part of the world it's hard to imagine we would have been friends otherwise but I know we'll always be friends now"
Stephen "JT and I have formed a bond, I am excited to be his friend, he is the likeable every man....he is showing me how to fish... I think he thinks of me of sort of his sidekick but is JT entirely trustworthy (snake shown) maybe he's not"
Stephen "I mean, you're solid right?"
JT "Yes"
Stephen "Okay, me too"
JT "No doubt. I'm solid too. When we go to the merge then we start looking at final three and then if I win, I'll take you and you win, you take me and we go to final two"
Stephen "JT definitely has emerged as our tribe leader and I hope to put myself into a power position but I'm not the strongest physical competitor so I need to be with JT as much as possible; things are definitely improving in this game but I know better than to say that with certainty" (The snake is shown again)
Yet another pairing shown and what a difference in terms of music and visual editing. While one can see the potential of Tyson and Coach as Ceasar and Brutus, there was only just a smidgen of this coming from Stephen and again, I wonder if this is more about giving Stephen the air of questioning everyone and their motives and thinking hard about the game and its players
Exile Island
Jeff "Later that day Brendan chose Stephen to join him hoping to put in place the final piece of his Exile Alliance with Sierra and Taj"
(Brendan shows Stephen the snake skin as Stephen responds it is actually disgusting to which Brendan decides to make Stephen a new scarf)
Brendan "When I came to Exile this time I wanted Stephen's trust (same confessional as his earlier ones about Coach) I think Stephen didn't necessarily believe all of this was going on, didn't know me, didn't know Sierra and so I think it's important the four of us trust each other and know that we are going to the finals together"
Stephen "Are you guys solid in your tribe, there's no fear of you getting eliminated?"
Brendan "I don't think so"
Stephen "We thought Erinn might be on the outs" (nicely done Stephen)
Brendan "Yeah"
Brendan "I needed to be honest with him so I tried to tell him as much as I could about my tribe, how we can work together, just to make him feel comfortable with that alliance"
(Brendan shows Stephen how to make fire - the second time Stephen is involved with fire making - perhaps something to that?)
Stephen "Damn, you're quite the woodman"
Brendan "After being on Exile you just turn into one"
(The rain begins, the fire goes out as Brendan states: "It's fun, it's such a crazy adventure" to which Stephen replies: "Are you serious?"
Stephen "I've never been so close to another man, he and I spooned for all we were worth" (Two frogs also "spooning") "It was raining, it was cold, nothing could prepare me for lying against a hunk of man"
Brendan "The night Stephen and I had on Exile was probably the worst night I've ever had so we huddled up and spooned all night and had a great bonding experience"
(Morning comes, the sun rises as they stand there with the sun on them)
"That's the one really cool thing about Exile, this is the bonding experience far greater than what could happen back at our tribe" (The two make shadow shapes)
"What I love about our group is we have a four person alliance..... and we're all like, we're kind of motley crew, we have two immunity idols, we have the control and hopefully it'll be smooth sailing from there"
Stephen "I just met Brendan, we have bonded because we have spooned quite a bit and I'm glad right now I'm in his alliance but there's a lot that is going on in my tribe right now and my priority has to be that I get to the merge in a really strong place" (They joke that the cuddling will have stop)
Yet another very interesting contrast told by the two. Brendan establishes the relationships built on Exile are more important than camp yet Stephen feels that right now his relationships with his tribe are more important in order for him to just make merger. With that in mind and the interesting development Stephen has received, I believe, over Brendan, this may, be part and parcel over the success or demise of these players. Brendan's focus entirely on his Exile alliance may lead to his downfall as he is caught unaware of his immediate surroundings whereas Stephen has been shown examining all areas of his longevity in this game and again, I find it fascinating that Stephen has questioned everyone and everything yet all the while has remained very non threatening and others impressions of him do not find him the least bit worrisome.
Jeff: "Eleven castaways are (walking shot of Jalapao blurred with a cleared shot of the side of Stephen) left (full Sydney shot followed by a portion of Erinn's face followed by a full shot of Sierra's) Of the first five votes (Coach's profile then JT's face) three were blindsides. What will happen when the challenges (Taj and JT running - I'm sure those of you more proficient are already dissecting the different colored head wraps on them) get more intense (Coach) The rewards bigger (overhead shot of a raft then a closer shot) the stakes higher (Sierra yelling: "You are such a liar") (Stephen now shown) Will friendships (JT then immediately shown) and alliances (Tyson) formed early (two pairs of hands "high fiving" one having long black sleeves, i.e. Coach) continue (Coach) through (Taj) the game (Brendan) and what twists await? (Taj screaming joyfully then a quick shot of the side of Sydney's head) Join us next week...(Tyson, Erinn) as the adventure continues.
Coach is shown causing problems in the tribe (always make me suspicious that the person featured as the problem doesn't end up leaving) and Taj, Stephen and JT holding hands exclaiming about going to the merge as Jeff states the tribe turns on each other with JT whispering to Stephen about getting rid of Taj as JT states "This is terrible, we're going to hell"
Tyson leaves us with a bit more antics just in case we didn’t notice them during the recap

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03-29-09, 06:30 PM (EST)

75. "RE: Recap Editing"

FP and Veruca, it was fun to read your impressions of the recap. It was an interesting recap, wasn't it? Here's what I thought.
When Jeff mentioned that Tocantins has seen some of the most memorable castaways, we had Taj, Coach, Tyson and JT shown one after the other on screen
The Forgotten Ones: These players had been neglected during the season so it was fun to see them included in the recap.
Debbie: She had a confessional about Sierra during the original truck ride: “My first impression of the girl in the grey, stripped T-shirt obviously, is that she’s upset, she had her head down, yes it was hot, we were all hot but we weren’t showing it. It seems like she didn’t want to be here with us.”
Camp life was seen from Debbie’s perspective: “I think it’s going to be a lot harder than people realize. Forging for food is going to be difficult. We’re trying to catch fish…”
After eating the minnow, she added: “That is so not my character but I just put it in my mouth and chewed as quickly as possible to get a little protein.”
We also saw her having a lot of fun with Tyson, hopping on his back and unable to stop laughing.
With Erinn, she acted as judge when Coach and Brendan had their bench making contest. “I love to see the alpha-men go at it” she said.
The dangers of camp life were also seen through Debbie’s eyes: “Last night, Coach woke up and screamed snake. We thought he was dreaming or being silly or whatever.”
They realized it wasn’t Coach’s recurring nightmare but a real snake because Debbie found the skin it had shed.
Tyson was, again, the one shown on screen when Debbie said: “We really have to be careful, this place is infested with nasty, poisonous snakes. I’m being very careful where I step.”
Debbie finally received some airtime but it mainly confirmed her “Tourist” edit. She talked about what happened in camp and how she felt about the adventure. Quite symbolically it seemed, when Tyson carried her on his back it showed that Debbie will only go as far as her alliance carries her.
Sydney: The first we see of her is to tell us that Sandy is crazy. We then hear her cheering “JT!” during the last challenge.
She was given the opportunity to respond to the first impressions that she created: “I’m a professional model. I’ve been doing it for 3 ½ years but it’s still funny to me because I laugh at myself a lot.”
After Stephen, JT and Joe proved unable to start a fire, Sydney came in and said: “I grew up fishing with my dad outdoors all the time so I’ve lived the outdoors. I’m not just a girly-girl; I’m not just a pretty girl that they can flirt with.”
She then proceeded to light a fire, proving her point.
In her next scene, Jeff said that the dirt at camp gave Sydney another chance to prove her worth.
Sydney had a confessional: “It is so dirty out here. We live in ash and it clings to you.”
To JT, she said: “I’m totally down for a floor and that would solve all our problems with the soot.”
In confessional she added: “JT had the plan to lift our shelter off the ground. It’s a good idea and I wanted to show him that I’m behind him 100%.”
The camera showed her helping JT getting the job done.
She added: “I think JT holds the power right now. I’m definitely trying to get on his good side a little bit. I think people always have their first impressions of me and I always try to prove them wrong.”
If Sydney’s story had been shown this way from the start, especially the confessional about proving them wrong, I’d say we would be looking at a long term player. Because it only showed up in the recap, it stands to reason that it was a way of finally showcasing her before her exit, sort of like Sally during the Panama recap.
Joe: In something new, we found out that Jalapao stumbled during their trek and the fault was placed on JT as Joe commented: “JT, he’s from ‘Bama. JT is more brawn guy. Not your sophisticated, intellect, academia type.”
At Jalapao, JT and Joe enjoyed some good sporting fun though it didn’t stop Joe from thinking about the game.
Joe asked JT to give him that heat and he swung on and missed every pitch.
In confessional, Joe said: “Right now, it’s probably JT leading Jalapao but I don’t think there is a lot of tension between JT and I right now.” (JT was heard saying: “you’re a sucker for the inside pitch”) Joe went on: “It’s nice to have somebody you can just let take over and know the spotlight isn’t on you.” Joe finally hit one and then said: “My ace in the hole compared to JT is going to be my strategy and my social game moving forward. He’s more the basic provider, alpha-male type.”
JT then proceeded to hit everything that Joe threw at him, even surprising Taj who was just sitting in the lake, not knowing what hit her!
Joe ended by telling Joe: “I think I won” but that’s not what we saw.
Joe thinks he’s in a good position, thinks he can win over JT but he’ll strike out because he is a sucker to the inside pitch. I took that line to mean that Joe will be blindsided soon.
The Memorable Ones:
These 4 players form the smoke screen; the characters that create reactions from the audience but are really the obstacles that the winner will have to outlast.

Coach: We heard his thoughts during the scramble off the truck: “I plan on day one to take the leadership role. Now, is that going to be a shared role? It depends. The characteristics and the qualities that I have, as an individual, have been forged like an iron thrown into the fire and coming out unshakable, unbreakable, invincible like a sword. I know who I am.”
After two tribal losses, Coach called upon his conducting skills to orchestrate some smiles. Debbie, Brendan and Erinn listened in intently while the editors let us hear the music that Coach was “conducting”.
As Coach and Tyson went for a walk to talk about long term plans, a crocodile scared a bird away from the fish it had just caught, reminding us that the one that goes for the kill isn’t always the one that gets the reward.
“Time for a power meeting” said Coach as the crocodiles got at attention to listen in.
Coach went on: “I think we get rid of Erinn because she is a cancer”
Tyson countered: “We can use Erinn for a few votes.”
Coach had a confessional: “A lot of people don’t want to talk about who is going to get eliminated. Tyson and I we think about it everyday.”
They agreed never to vote against each other. Just then, a crocodile jumped after a prey, apparently surprising the two guys.
Coach almost appeared normal. That shouldn’t last! Like the bird losing the fish, Coach’s plans won’t work out for him.

Taj: told us about her plans: “My strategy is to kill them with kindness. I’m going to be so nice that they won’t want to kick me off. Another thing they may be underestimating is that I look fat but I’m not really fat, I’m muscular. So, when I’m winning challenges they won’t have a reason to kick me off, they can’t. I’m going to be so good at this; they won’t be ready for me.”
The scene from Day 8 gave us an idea why Taj and Stephen were so close. Taj was having a hard time adjusting to the elements: “I feel like a leper” she said. Stephen gave her a hug.
On the beach, Taj had an emotional moment: “I don’t want to go home looking like a wreck. Stephen came down and he talked to me and it made me feel better. Everyone has a moment. I’m more determined now. I can’t go home empty-handed, looking like this.”
Another scene that appeared to have symbolic implications was the one where Taj was hit by a seed and didn’t know where it came from. Taj will probably be blindsided.
JT: His challenge prowess was on display in the quick season recap as was his decision to vote out Spenser.
JT told us how he expected to be perceived: “People’s impression of me may be that I’m a hillbilly sometimes… I don’t think a hillbilly can do very well in this game but I there’s no doubt in my mind that I can win or I would have stayed at home. I’m here to win and I’m gonna win.”
JT had a confessional as they worked on the shelter: “I don’t see myself as a leader in Jalapao. When I see something needs to get done, I do it myself. I don’t do it to be the leader or get anybody’s favor. I do it because I want it done and that’s the best way to do it.”
JT also had strategy discussions with Stephen. He said: “I like having Stephen around even if we come from different parts of the world and would never have been friends otherwise but I know we’ll always be friends now.”
JT has a better story than the first two memorable characters but his story seems confined to Jalapao, to showing them what he can do. His biggest positive is being shown as a very likeable person and editors want to have likeable winners. Unfortunately, there have been many likeable players who received such an edit because they wound up being eliminated at the merge. That appears to be JT’s fate.

Tyson: He had a confessional during the scramble: “We have the long-haired guy that looks like the love child of Steven Segal and the Last of the Mohicans. So, if he can pull any of those skills out, survival skills like an Indian or Karate moves like Steven Segal, he’s a good guy to have on your side, I think.”
Showing Coach standing immobile next to Timbira’s pile of goods reminded us that Coach was not that good to have on your side… (Unless you believe he was telling them what to do with his eyes!)
Tyson told us about the Brazilian fruits that Jerry found which smelled like feet. No one was enjoying so he added: “But, there’s nothing else to eat so, I guess, this is God’s candy in Brazil. Thanks God!”
We then had scenes showing us that Tyson was proving valuable to Timbira in different ways.
Tyson commented: “Who am I? A pretty well-balanced individual, I’d say.”
That didn’t seem to be what the others thought as Debbie said: “Tyson never ceases to amaze me. Honestly, Tyson is someone we better watch out. I think Tyson has a real potential to win this game.”
Debbie went on to fight Tyson as Coach commented: “Tyson, he’s always cracking a joke. It’s probably what attracts me to him so much. Not in a sexual way.”
Tyson ended the scene by saying: “I’m not your stereotypical Mormon… There are things I want to do that aren’t necessarily sinning but we’ll see when I get home and everyone disowns me.”
After making plans with Coach, Tyson said: “He’s a coach, you know. I mostly agree with what he’s saying but, in this game, I don’t perceive him as being near the player that I am.”
As with many episodes this season, the recap was Tyson’s show. Can Tyson win like Debbie suggested he could? It would be quite a story but I believe he is too closely associated with Coach, too much of a worthy opponent in his eyes, to be the winner. Even the positive first impression he received would go against the theme of having to fight against those impressions. But I have misread stories in the past.
The Contending Ones:
The winner should come from this group of 4 players.
Stephen: We heard him tell us again that he has “stumbled ass backwards into a huge alliance.”
As soon as the scramble from the truck was over, we heard Stephen say: “We are screwed. They have Steven Segal and what the hell are we going to do against him. I have no idea. We clearly have, physically, the weaker tribe. There’s the hot blonde girl (Sydney) it’s really going to be a shame when we have to vote her off.”
We next saw Stephen trying to get Jalapao’s fire started but he was having no success.
Sydney commented: “Stephen really wanted to make a fire. He’s never made a fire. It was hilarious. He could not make a freaking spark!”
As others were shown laughing at him, Stephen commented: “On a scale of 1 to 100, my wilderness skills are at a 1. I cannot make fire and that is embarrassing.”
“This is stupid” he said as he handed the flint to JT.
When Sydney was the one to make fire, Stephen gave us a confessional: “At first, Sydney was getting by on her looks, her charm, her girlish laugh but Sydney made fire for us. She’s a woodland goddess and I think, for that reason, she’s a big threat to me.”
As JT and Sydney were working on the shelter, Stephen approached, asking if there was something he could contribute. The camera made us realize that there wasn’t much he was able to contribute. JT called him his side-kick, a city boy. When Sydney said they could use his help, we saw Stephen dropping the pieces of wood he was trying to put on the roof.
Of JT, Stephen said: “JT and I have formed a bond…I think he sees me as his sidekick but is JT entirely trustworthy, maybe he’s not.”
With a snake lurking, the two of them envisioned going to the F3 together and taking each other to the end.
Stephen ended his confessional by saying: “I hope to put myself in a power position but I’m not the strongest physical competitor so I need to be with JT as much as possible. Things are definitely improving for me but I know better than to say that with certainty.”
After hearing what Brendan had to say on exile and spending a miserable night together, Stephen said: “I’ve never been so close to another man. He and I spooned for all we were worth (So did a couple of frogs!)
When the sun came out, Stephen concluded: “I’ve just met Brendan…I’m glad I’m in his alliance but there is a lot going on in my tribe right now and my priority has to be that I get to the merge in a really strong place.”
I know Stephen is the favorite of many but I have a problem with his story. The first half of the recap served to put down Stephen who appeared a lot less valuable than Sydney while he kept targeting her. If the “woodland goddess” had been featured in any way before the recap or if JT had talked about Sydney’s contributions then I would say Stephen was even in danger of seeing her outlast him. It would be a weird choice for portraying a winner to give her credit for skills at surviving the outdoors while showing him as a bumbling fool.
Even the positive side of his story that we saw featured in the second half of the episode makes me see him as being very hesitant. His confessional about not being sure who he can trust could serve to show him as a very intelligent player but it looks like he simply can’t make up his mind just like he wanted Sandy gone when Carolina left, he wanted Sydney gone when Sandy left and he was considering letting Taj go when Spenser left.

Brendan: His first new confessional happened during the truck ride: “As for first impressions of people, I try not to come into it with too many because that can get you in trouble a number of times.”
During his competition with Coach, Brendan said: “To me, this is about having a good time. That’s why we’re here.”
When Debbie offered him some rope, Brendan said: “Coach needs it more than I do.”
After the contest, Brendan said that he had a lot of fun.
In confessional, he added: “When I think about business, building something from scratch and interacting with people you’ve never met before, it’s something I adore. Coach tries to act like Coach all the time but we don’t need one. We’re out here to have friends; we’re out here to work with people.”
When Brendan chose Stephen to go to Exile Island, hoping to solidify his alliance with Taj and Sierra, he told us: “I wanted Stephen’s trust. I don’t think Stephen believed what was going on because he didn’t know me, he didn’t know Sierra. I think it’s important that the 4 of us trust each other and know that we’re going to the finals together.”
When Stephen pointed out that Erinn appeared to be on the outs, Brendan added: “I needed to be very honest with him so I tried to tell him as much as I could about my tribe and how we could work together just to make him feel comfortable with that alliance.”
Brendan impressed Stephen with his fire making abilities but, from what Stephen said, he wasn’t as successful at getting his trust. Still, the next morning, Brendan told us he liked his motley crew alliance.
The only flaw in Brendan’s edit is that he is too trusting. His business-like approach to the game could remind us of Brian but instead of giving us some strategy talks, we hear him talk about having fun. It makes me think that the editors are telling us he shouldn’t mix business with pleasure. Like Tyson, my main problem is that he made a good first impression on Coach and he hasn’t had to work on it.
Sierra: Told us again how she felt during the truck ride: “It was blazing hot. I had a fever. I was so sick; I didn’t give a <bleep> what they thought about me.”
As an eagle circled the sky, awakening the creatures below, Jeff reminded us that Sierra made a bad first impression on her tribe but that, by day 8, her strength was returning and Coach was ready to put her to work. An argument started.
Sierra commented: “I’m one of the ones working the hardest so I’m really getting tired of people like Coach saying things like “you need to do this” and shaking their fingers and coming down on me. They think they can because they’re older than me and they think they are more knowledgeable. It’s only going to make me turn on them faster.”
Coach told us his side: “I can be very condescending but as a leader or just as a person, that’s not somebody that I want to be. I wasn’t being condescending towards Sierra… I don’t think she will fully realize her potential when people keep coddling her.”
They talked it out and Sierra admitted that she was pissed.
Coach said: “I was gently trying to push you out of the nest (interesting considering the eagle imagery before this scene). I wanted to see you expand yourself because I know you can. There’s a part of your personality that’s very dependant and there’s a part of your personality that’s very independent. You can never coast in life, in this game and you know that.”
Sierra had a confessional: “Now that I think about it and start to cool off, I don’t think that Coach thinks I’m stupid. I think he has higher expectations for me than he does for other people. I think he sees me as the strongest female. You’re going to be harder on that one just so that they play harder in a game and I think that is where is mind is at. I could very well be wrong but I think there is some good intent behind it.”
The scene ended with their hug.
I find it troubling that key moments in Sierra’s story were completely left out of the recap. Not a single word about being voted out first before the twist was revealed and we didn’t see her with Taj on the Exile Sand Dune. Only a word in passing was heard about her being part of the Exile Alliance. However, her scene with Coach seemed very important and she could very well come out of the nest to soar the skies of the Brazilian highlands like the eagle that was shown. If she is the winner, we should see a very strong episode for her soon or she will fade from the viewers’ memory.

Erinn: We first see her telling us that: “Hey! Everyone, Jerry’s sick. See you Jerry.”
Just like in the premiere, she had the first confessional: “Being in the back of that truck gave you a lot of time to size everybody up and see what you’re up against.”
As Coach and Brendan were working on their bench, Erinn was enjoying the contest.
With her name on screen, she had a confessional-type moment except Debbie was standing next to her: “There is a very serious vying for the spot of alpha-male contest going on right now. It’s not about benches or swings or seats; it’s about who can come out on top, as usual.”
Tyson said they were tearing the tribe apart but Debbie suggested that they have all sorts of contests so that the work would get done. Erinn added: “We’ll judge them all.”
While Coach was conducting an orchestra in his mind, Erinn gave us her thoughts: “Who is this jackass? Coach is just the biggest joke on the planet. I’m in a weird position because I don’t really like my tribe all that much and I don’t have the alliances out here but it would be kind of fun to pretend for a while that we’re one big happy family, we’re in love, everything’s great. Every time I get a couple more days out here, it’s that much closer to a merge. If I can make it that far, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.”
Interestingly, two scenes after this put doubt into Erinn’s future, first Coach and Tyson’s long term plans didn’t include her while Stephen and Brendan’s talk had us realize that she could still be in trouble after the merge.
Erinn didn’t dominate the recap but her story was very well presented. Just like in the premiere, she had the first confessional, one in which she tells us that she was able to size up the competition. She also told us she’d judge the alpha-males on their little contests. She clearly stands in Coach’s doghouse but she gives as good as she gets. She doesn’t like her tribe but she will pretend until she gets to the merge. Then, she tells us she will be interested to see how it works out. Even Stephen tells us that Jalapao had their eyes on her right after he had told JT that they could look to flip a couple from Timbira.
Because of Coach’s desire to find a worthy opponent and because it seems that he only considers that men are worthy, I felt that he’d have to see two women fight it in the finale. With Erinn’s episode #3 confessional about fighting for her life and proving that she can beat Debbie and Sierra, I am very interested in seeing where Erinn's story carries her. I do see a strong possibility that she finds a way to make it to the end.

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03-30-09, 09:19 AM (EST)

76. "RE: Recap Editing"

FP,VS, Michel well done and I never get over the fact that you all and I watch the same show but you see so much more then I do.
michel the Erinn quote from your thoughts: Erinn added: “We’ll judge them all.”
That could be taken as she could end up in jury along with Debbie and maybe Tyson since he was shown near when she made that statement. Not necessarily that Coach and Brandan will be the ones that are judged at the end though.
Again, thanks for the great reads FP, VS & Michel

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03-30-09, 12:39 PM (EST)

77. "RE: Recap Editing"

Hi everyone, I always enjoy this thread and your observations, but rarely post myself. I know a lot of people complain about the recaps, but I found this episode to be very interesting. There was a lot of information given which fleshed out past episodes.
I'm not very good at editing, but did notice some things:
First, there were several scenes of Debra, Joe and Sydney which fleshed them out more. I do feel that Sydney is not an end player since none of her skills were shown until the recap. It does expain why they kept her over Sandy. We were led to believe that all she did was flirt. Debra and Joe were given nothing to give me hope for their longevity.
With JT, it is obvious that what you see is what you get. He seems a one-diminsional but powerful player.
I now understand why Taj chose Stephen. She seems like a rational player most of the time, but giving him the idol will be a mistake. The producers made sure we noted that agian.
Sierra and Brendan seem to be looking forward to the merge, as is Erinn. Will she flip? There seemed to be a lot of dialogue focused on her being an outsider, waiting for the merge.
Coach is just coach. At first, I thought Tyson was playing Coach, now I'm not so sure. Despite his confessionals, he doesn't seem to be making any other alliances or plans.
He's not my favorite, but Stephen is the most intriguing player to me. He has managed to get close to JT, Taj, and Brendan. Everyone seems to trust him, but he lets us know that he has his options open. His bumbling ways remind me of the Kevin Spacey character in The Usual Suspects. Sometimes it is the one we least expect who is pulling the strings.
Thanks for letting me join the party!
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03-30-09, 06:29 PM (EST)

78. "RE: Recap Editing"

>
>Coach is just coach. At
>first, I thought Tyson was
>playing Coach, now I'm not
>so sure. Despite his
>confessionals, he doesn't seem to
>be making any other alliances
>or plans.
>

Exactly. The editing seems to be showing Tyson as the one that should be watching his back. He spends so much time telling us about himself and Coach. But it seems obvious that Coach will outlast Tyson. Coach is closer to Brendan and Sierra than Tyson is. Other than Coach the only person Tyson seems close to is Debbie. And she does not have long term player written on her at all. Tyson just looks like a big disposable target once they merge.

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82. "RE: Recap Editing"

I like the way you assessed the end game players michel and I pretty much agree with you. However, as we enter the merge I am going to look closely at both Stephen and Erinn and the kind of impressions they make on their new teammates (and to a lesser degree, the rest of the survivors). There is still plenty of time for Stephen to overcome his bumbling first impression and recap portrayal. And Erinn's on the outside looking in at her tribe, in a social game that should change at merge time if she's going to be our winner. I think there will be another new set of "first impressions" when they all start to live together.

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03-31-09, 06:01 AM (EST)

79. "First Episode vs. Recap"

>First Impressions
>
>Jeff "....they were about to begin a cutthroat game where first
>impressions (Erinn) meant everything"
>
>Erinn (conf) "Being on the back of that truck
>really did give you a good amount of time to just size
>everybody up (JT, Sydney, Taj) and see what you are
>up against” (remainder of Jalapao tribe panned upon)
>
>Brendan "As for first impressions of people, I try
>not to come into it with too many, I think that gets
>you in trouble a lot of times"
>
>A directly oppositional viewpoint by Erinn
>and Brendan - who ends up being correct - do
>we size everyone up and gather our impressions or not
>attempt to do so as you may be incorrect.
>This also helps to tie in the ultimate outcome – were
>people “bamboozled” by what they perceived immediately and
>therefore incorrectly or did they simply give the benefit
>of the doubt and find trouble that way? Both of these
>characters may end up situated where they do because of
>how they chose to act upon their impressions.
>
>Debra "My first impression of the girl in the gray t-shirt...she obviously was upset, she had
>her head down and yes it was hot, we were
>all hot but we weren't showing it (a flash of
>light shown on Debra sitting in the truck) and so
>I didn't really feel like she wanted to be here
>with us"
>
>Sierra "It was blazing hot, I had a fever, I was
>so sick, I didn't give a flying f—k what they
>thought"

I took a second look at the opening sequence of the truck arriving in Tocantins from the first episode and compared it to the recap -- here, I'm just looking at who were focused on while they were all on the truck, not counting when they were all off the truck.
In the opener, we were shown Erinn, Tyson, Stephen, Sandy, Sierra and Coach - all focused directly on and all had confessionals about the other person that was on their tribe (Erinn-Tyson, Stephen-Sandy, Sierra-Coach).
In the recap, we were shown Erinn, Brendan, Debbie and Sierra. These were the only four that were focused directly on and had confessionals.
Both times, Erinn got the first confessional. Does this mean anything in terms of reaching the end game or highlighting her as someone to watch to the end?
Sierra was also the only other person to have a confessional both times. Does this mean anything or am I just reaching for *anything* to tie in to the end game?
Why these four (Erinn/Brendan/Deb/Sierra), in particular, to focus on from all of the confessionals they must have gotten from each of the contestants? Is this our final four?

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03-31-09, 08:21 AM (EST)

80. "RE: First Episode vs. Recap"

LAST EDITED ON 03-31-09 AT 08:53 AM (EST)
Why these four (Erinn/Brendan/Deb/Sierra), in particular, to focus on from all of the confessionals they must have gotten from each of the contestants? Is this our final four?
I don't think that these four will be our Final Four. But, this is the season's Libra contingent. And, although Libra is the least frequently cast of the Signs, it is also one of the Game's most effective personalities. Libra is also credited with being the most 'social and diplomatic' of the twelve Sun Signs.
Intellectual and 'likeable' , if you will ...
ETA: This from the Libra Profile ...
'Libra are the very personification of refinement and affection, endearing you with their genteel manner and melting your heart with their ingratiating smiles. Those with the Sun in Libra have an easy grace and charm that is truly enviable. Many have soothing voices that are easy on the ears. And they love to talk. They’re at their very best when their gift for communication is put to a high-minded purpose, and, noted for their ability to harmonize conflicted situations – the Libra personality attracts the revelations, confidences, gossip and trust of others like a magnet – they thrive in calm, aesthetically pleasing environments.
But don't let all that sugar and spice fool you. Libra are easily upset by the chaos of life and then the October-born can be as quarrelsome, as irritable and as intractable as any Sign in the Zodiac.'
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04-02-09, 04:20 PM (EST)

81. "RE: Recap Editing"

Yet another very interesting contrast told by the two. Brendan establishes the relationships built on Exile are more important than camp yet Stephen feels that right now his relationships with his tribe are more important in order for him to just make merger. With that in mind and the interesting development Stephen has received, I believe, over Brendan, this may, be part and parcel over the success or demise of these players. Brendan's focus entirely on his Exile alliance may lead to his downfall as he is caught unaware of his immediate surroundings whereas Stephen has been shown examining all areas of his longevity in this game and again, I find it fascinating that Stephen has questioned everyone and everything yet all the while has remained very non threatening and others impressions of him do not find him the least bit worrisome.
My thoughts from the last episode and the recap are still a jumble in my mind, but there is one thing that keeps sticking with me, especially after reading what VS said (and I don't think anyone has pointed this out yet):
(This is actually from the last episode, not the recap.) Right after Sierra and Brendan talk about her stay on exile island with Taj, Brendan has this confessional, "Every single stage we've set has worked; every time we've layered more and more people in the plan, we've become more powerful." But then we get to exile island with Brendan and Stephen and he says that he's not completely 100% with the exile alliance; he's going to keep his options open. Trusting Stephen may be the fatal flaw in this alliance, and not just for Taj.

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04-04-09, 03:59 PM (EST)

83. "Episode 6 Editing"

Pepe - I do believe most definitely the first episode and quite often opening confessionals contain information that is necessary for the ending of the show and I've always approached this show as a storyline progression where a theme set forth in the first episode helps to shed light on the story progression (although I don't necessarily believe one can pigeon hole anything) For those you mention that received confessionals in the first episode and recap in the truck alone, time will tell essentially and will be interesting to return to once the show is over.
I usually look at the entire first episode as opposed to immediate first confessionals and I also tend to listen to what Jeff narrates. My thought process as of now with respect to first impressions is more or less that those at end game should be rather surprising considering what was to be originally believed about them. There were some that I felt were given "characterizations" that allowed the audience and the players to make assumptions that perhaps they should not have. Bearing this in mind, it also helps if their story progression grows in the manner that I personally believe to be one of longevity (however, that is subjective and we all perceive the contestants differently by way of our own perception of how the show progresses)
Georjanna - nice to see you in here again I would say I agree with you that the four who received the same in the first episode and recap may not be the four left solely from my perspective though Pepe's analysis of the confessionals from the first episode and recap always is valid in terms of this show and how they edit it. It could very well happen as I believe at least one of them may be at the end and it is quite possible any of the four could be - I don't know if there is a final three or final two this season and we all know that third person in the final three tends to be a throwaway in terms of edit (Becky and Susie come to mind) and quite often one person in the final four is simply the individual who helped get the end players to the end (Jan, Lydia)
CTgirl - I can't say I don't agree with you because obviously I do This episode continued to make me feel that way although I could be entirely mistaken. However, I tend not to change my mind as episodes go on; I usually form a belief of the end game players and stay the course despite sometimes my *play* going awry I find that if I start changing my mind, everyone appears to be at end game at some point
On with this episode...
Previously...
Brendan and Sierra were in possession of the immunity idol, while their allies, Taj and Stephen made the discovery at Jalapao (Of note is the audience seeing Taj telling Stephen to put the idol in his pocket)
Spencer’s challenge miss highlighted and JT wanted to vote him out and Taj’s frustration caught Joe’s attention.
But Taj was saved when the tribe came to an agreement. Can Jalapao regain their momentum?
Tribal Council Aftermath
JT "Sure feels bad when we lose anybody"
Taj "Nobody wants to go"
Joe "It’s definitely not going to get any easier"
JT (conf) "It didn’t bother me at all... if only the fact if there is a merge at 10, rather than going in 6-4, we’ll only have a shot of going in 5–5. ....we’re all united, if we lose again, it’s gonna be another tough one"
The Set Up
Sydney and Joe take a walk with Sydney concerned she will go home if they lose again with Joe telling her not to worry (Stephen randomly inserted in the scene) Sydney asks Joe if they would vote off Taj first (JT and Taj randomly inserted) with Joe reassuring her that "everyone trusts you"
Sydney (conf) "I definitely feel nervous about being a target if we end up losing..." (Sydney notes the boys as a group, with Joe good at challenges and JT and Stephen being close which leaves herself and Taj on the "chopping block")
Joe (conf) "Sydney is very nervous... Taj is a very strong challenger for a spot in the tribe but I think JT and Steve trust Sydney...." (Joe notes his attraction to Sydney then advises her she has a "free pass")
Tension At Timbira
A very nonsensical scene inserted that would have no reason to be shown other than the fact the audience needs to be aware of the dynamics at Timbira to understand upcoming plot points. Coach again is at the forefront involving the cooking of the beans. Debra has been receiving narrating duties and while there is nothing to establish that she is in immediate danger, her edit leaves something to be desired. However, one can never discount a character such as Debbie to be at the end game solely because many "types" such as Debbie do find their way to the end although they are not victorious. Coach receives a confessional with his opinion on the matter and Brendan provides the framework of this "bean" issue. Sierra then provides her own insight about the "beans" and her stating: "I am tired of feeding his needs" (a far cry from the recap episode where she emotes kindly about Coach) Tension builds between Sierra and Coach with Coach’s confessional following. Fun music accompanies Coach’s "apology" to the group with an amusing capture of Coach and Brendan mirroring each other standing around the fire with both of them swinging their hands back and forth in unison. More words are exchanged with Sierra and Coach with another confessional by Coach: "Screw all this stuff..."
Brendan (conf) "With Coach there’s like 5, 6 situations like that where Coach has done things and you’re like come on that’s not really for the best of everybody, just for the best of you but while he does do some irritating things I totally accept it because he’s a predictable player and predictable in this game is great."
Again, there was a lot of investment over a rather silly subject but it provided a lot of insight on the dynamics and a possible gem of a line from Brendan. Of note was the placement of the scene in the sequence. Erinn was not there during this entire scene therefore this most likely occurred while she was at Exile Island yet they showed this out of sequence; probably for a benign reason although I am quite sure there are many moments like this with Coach while Erinn may be present so THIS scene was chosen in particular. The elements of this scene contained direct argument with Coach and Sierra (despite Brendan and Debbie noting their annoyance) so it is suggestive that this was not only about a "build up" for Coach for perhaps some future event but perhaps more importantly issue surrounding Coach and Sierra. Naturally Coach provides some excellent moments for the editors and this scene also corresponded very well with what the audience may have needed to know from Brendan, i.e. "Coach is predictable and predictable in this game is great." We probably will come to learn whether or not this statement is also ironic either for Coach, Brendan, or the OUTCOME of the game itself (i.e. perhaps who one thinks is predictable based on their perception is not always the case). Tyson was ignored except for visibility although I would be sure he may have had some of his own entertaining commentary which may have distracted from the intent of the scene.

Jalapao
JT (conf) "Day 16 and it’s getting strange around here. Jalapao has only five tribe members left... I am a country boy and it’s hard being mean to people. I’ve been honest with everyone here so far and I’m gonna do my best to stay that way; hopefully everyone is being honest with me (Stephen inserted) as well."
JT had a very nice showing last episode; obviously he is now part of a big storyline so he would need to be shown but he has been immersed in the story with Taj and Stephen as, at least, an equal partner. I had mentioned that Stephen and JT’s relationship was brought up quite a bit for it not to be of some value and this has been reinforced further. Sydney’s elimination episode went with a whimper for her but had a bang for the others with the establishment of some very "meaty" storylines, i.e. the hidden idol, the possession of this idol, the cross tribe alliance, the inner tribe alliance, the relationships of JT, Taj, Stephen. Sydney and Joe were peripheral characters this episode despite Sydney leaving and Joe being exiled - while that particular "chapter" is intriguing (since Erinn has been brought into it and Joe now has a fake idol) it was presented in a very basic form although the mere fact that it WAS presented may indicate that some aspect of it may be important for story progression. What I found interesting also about JT is that we are still getting tossed nuggets about his "country boy" persona
Taj "I’m going to tell JT I do have the idol"
Stephen "JT?"
Taj "Yeah"
Stephen "So what does telling him about it accomplish?"
Taj "I just think it would solidify that I trust him enough..."
Stephen "I just think it might make him wary of you"
Taj "Mmm, that’s interesting"
(Taj’s confessional shown)
Taj "What if I told him I knew some clues and I need his help to find it"
(Stephen’s confessional shown)
Stephen "He’s gonna trust me less too, JT"
Taj "I wasn’t going to implicate you"
Stephen "Right, just say you have it"
(Taj’s confessional shown)
Stephen "So you’re not going to tell him about Brendan..."
Taj "Oh no I won’t..."
Stephen "...and Sierra" "Okay"
Taj "Just about the idol" "Absolutely sure you don’t want to bring JT in?"
Stephen "No I’m not sure at all!"
I enjoyed the hammock swinging back and forth, back and forth, a little harder during some more intense discussion
Taj (conf) "After the last Tribal Council when JT voted for Spencer over me, that’s when I knew he was definitely in our corner" and "The real alliance for me is my four person alliance once the merge happens which is Steve, Brendan, Sierra and myself. Here, I just want to make it the merge and with JT on my side I would be in good shape"
Stephen (conf) "Taj came and said I want to tell JT about the idol... I’m basically controlling the information flow between Taj and JT and to the extent possible I want to remain that bridge cause if they connect I might become a less essential part of the loop"
It appears to me that this was a very pivotal scene and not just because of how the episode panned out as there are many more possible implications. Stephen firmly established himself as a bridge between the two people he is closest with and the bridge is now gapped and his concern of being less essential. Taj (in direct contrast to Brendan’s prior confessional) is counting on her four person alliance being of the utmost important whereas Brendan is relying more upon his Timberia tribe foremost. The possibility of JT learning more than Taj and Stephen want him to know. The potential of betrayal by any of the three amongst each other. There are so many variables that were elicited solely from this scene with three "well dressed" characters.
The Reward Challenge
Sierra (mouth open) and Erinn: ("Crazy") are honed in on as the reaction shots to Spencer’s leaving.
Erinn is designated to sit out the challenge. Sierra and Stephen do some whispering to their tribe about the other tribe’s barrier.
Timbira wins the challenge and the music is changed as Jeff asks who is to go to Exile Island as Taj and Brendan "appear" to exchange a glance:
Taj "Right now everything with Brendan, Sierra and Stephen is in place; we have both idols, we have the alliance intact so when Timbira had to send someone, all I kept thinking was send someone else" (Taj got her wish as Brendan announces Joe and while Brendan watches, Joe invites Erinn to go to Exile with him)
Joe (conf) "The decision to pick Erinn... was strategic because going into a merge, we need somebody to flip and my charm game is definitely part of my strategy and she’s an attractive woman"
JT (conf) "We lost reward today and that sucks but I’m not going to feel sorry for myself all day; I don’t really care about the reward, it’s just a reward but if we lose the next immunity challenge, we go down 6-4 in numbers so we just can’t blow it, we need to win"
JT with more face time advising again of the "numbers" (if the last episode didn’t tell us a merger was imminent, this episode certainly has - confirmed by the preview for next week) and the "state" of Jalapao when they merge. Again, as mentioned, Jalapao is not being "vilified" the way we have seen losing tribes edited in the past and, in fact, we haven’t seen any particular member of Jalapao vilified either; only briefly has someone been touched upon when it comes to performance in order to justify their departure. We also know that those who let down their tribe in performance and not discussed seem to fare better with longevity - this is evidenced by JT in this particular episode as he was the main performer in the immunity challenge and could not work his sling shot as quickly
The Reward
Again, Brendan gets considerable face time with a lot of narrative confessionals during the reward with some additional confessionals from Debra and a noteworthy one from Coach.
Coach (conf) "A small part of me feels guilty that Erinn’s not here but in my opinion she’s lucky to still be in this game. These people right here, these are the people I’d pick to be enjoying this..." (Ouch! However, very effective. In one small unnecessary statement, Coach provided a very nice transition to the Exile Island scene and helped to firm up what the audience has learned about Erinn’s place in her tribe - something that Brendan divulged to Stephen that may assist Jalapao come merger)
Exile Island
Joe and Erinn arrive with Erinn obtaining the clues for the idol.
Erinn (conf) "Joe and I came out to Exile, picked two urns and I got the one with the clue in it; it is very apparent the idol’s not here but back at camp and if it’s back at camp then there’s more than one so now I just need to figure out do I trust Joe, do I not trust Joe because I have no alliances out here so he could be a good ally and if were aligned and had two idols that may not be a bad thing for us"
Some discussion between Erinn and Joe on their "favorites" with Erinn advising she has none and Joe stating it is JT. Some flirting commences as well.
Joe "...I have no clue where the idol is, I think she knows where it’s at so hopefully I can get it out of her, we’ll see how it goes"
Erinn reveals there is more than one idol and not at Exile Island...
Erinn (conf) "I decided I was going to tell Joe... I’m hoping Joe turns out to be a trustworthy individual...."
(Erinn reveals the clues and Joe ascertains it is with the tree mail and a bit of contact occurs with them)
Joe (conf) "This couldn’t be any better right now, I picked the empty urn and now I know where the idol is; if Erinn and I both get the immunity idol, that’s a humongous alliance, it could totally rival anything I have back at camp"
There may be some "legs" to this scene at Exile Island but I’m not entirely sure in what capacity; it feels very short term especially in context of everything that has been thrown to the audience regarding the build up and establishment and continuation of the cross tribe alliance of four. Joe has a fake idol which could be used against him; Erinn will (or should) discover there is no idol at her camp (unless another fake idol is made); seeds were planted already that Erinn may be ripe to cross tribal lines and Joe is now on the outside looking in on his tribe. However, some of these storylines carry little weight with a merger coming. I question if this scene was solely shone to allow the events to unfold for THIS episode with Joe and Jalapao as opposed to any true future impact (Erinn was never seen again in the context of this new event in her life-it centered solely on Joe and Jalapao) which was further evidenced immediately by the next scene
Jalapao
Stephen "When Joe comes back he is going to have enough clues to find the idol in about thirty seconds"
Taj "Right so we need to put something in the tree mail ASAP"
Stephen "I have some stuff, I have some feathers, straps"
Taj "That’ll be fine, anything that looks authentic"
Taj (conf) "When Joe comes back from Exile looking for the immunity idol, he’ll have all the clues.... I don’t want him to know I already have it so I need to make the best looking fake idol I can come up with"
Taj is then shown going into Stephen’s pants to get the real idol to know what it looks like and make the fake idol look authentic. "Hopefully, I’ll be able to throw Joe off"
Taj puts her fake idol in the tree mail area and advises she now has to go and hide the real idol and is shown stuffing it in a sack as Sydney is sleeping. JT inadvertently finds the real idol as he goes to retrieve a burlap sack as Stephen is waiting
JT "Stephen and I were going fishing and I went into bag and right on top is the hidden immunity idol" and "Apparently Taj found the idol and I was like Oh my G-d" (different setting from first confessional)
JT "Stephen, I just walked over there and picked up a bag and I looked in it and say damn, there's an immunity idol" (shot of Taj walking away)
Stephen "I know! It's right there!"
(Stephen's confessional shown)
Stephen "When I went off to walk with her she showed it to me"
JT "Do you think she just now found it?"
Stephen "Yeah"
JT "I mean it's fine if she told you"
Stephen "Or that's good. I mean I think she was just worried....."
JT "The game has just changed"
Stephen (conf) "When JT found the idol, I was thinking what the heck do I say? So I said I know and I don't think I had the appropriate amount of shock on my face"
(Later)
Stephen "I think we should tell him"
Taj "JT?"
(Stephen's confessional shown)
Taj "JT, look..." (throws bag at JT)
JT "I've seen this before I left"
Taj "Really? How?"
JT "That is beautiful" "You got to hide it, I can't believe it's a real immunity idol"
Taj "Honestly, I don't want you or Stephen to go out prematurely for no reason. If you need it, you can have it"
(JT's confessional shown)
Taj "We got us some protection now" (as Stephen walks over)
JT "We ought to hide it"
Stephen "Yeah. Just put it in back of my dress pants" (Again, very subtle Stephen)
Taj "Alright, everybody give me your hands, we're going to the merge"
Stephen "We're going to the merge? We're going to the end!"
(JT's confessional continues)
Stephen (conf) "I wanted to just talk to Taj to tell her that JT found the idol in her bag; she'll have to tell JT she has it so the three of us are on the same page"
JT (conf) "Taj showed me the idol. I think she felt like she could trust me and her sharing this information was huge. Taj just made a promise to me that any time that I may need the hidden immunity idol she would give it to me so that's big, that's a big promise. Hopefully she'll keep it" (Taj is a bit free with her idol, no? I do question whether this promise may also come into play at some point since the editors made a point of keeping it in the actual show and we can't also forget how it has been drilled into the audience that Stephen is, in actuality, the one who is holding the idol) and "Taj just put herself, me and Stephen in a really tight alliance... it took awhile for her to come around but she was honest and Stephen's been very honest with me and I feel like I can trust Stephen all the way. I just hope I'm not wrong"
More intrigue abounds with the hidden idol as well as inner and outer tribe alliances. Trust has been brought up a few times by both Stephen and JT and again, there "bond" has been noted on more than one occassion outside of the confines of the game that it would seem to have bearing later on. JT gave us some great insight both personally and as part of the game itself that reflects nicely on his longevity. It appears that Taj, despite her finding the idol, will be the one who benefits from it with all the talking done by both JT and Stephen
Immunity – Back Up For Grabs
Erinn and Joe return with Tyson asking how was it as a group hug ensues. Stephen gives Joe a hug.
Jeff takes back the idol from Sierra who is also given a second visual after Jeff returns to his spot.
Jeff gives the instructions ending with the tribe that wins is safe from Tribal Council (Taj) and guaranteed a one in ten shot (JT) at winning a millions bucks (Brendan with Tyson behind him) Losers (Jalapao)
Debra is designated to sit out and Tyson and JT are designated to go first and end up shooting the entire time.
Tyson is successful and JT starts to lose some momentum with Joe asking if he wants to be replaced.
Tyson offers: “I’ll come over and do it if you want”
Erinn and Brendan work the puzzle as JT continues to attempt to break the tile. Joe and Stephen work the puzzle but it is not fast enough.
JT is shown to say: “My bad guys” as Taj tells him: “Don’t beat yourself up” and Sydney is shown dejected.
Jeff “What’s it feel like Coach knowing no chance of going home?”
Coach “It’s incredible and I really think this was so pivotal, this win (JT) because it really shifts control of the game” (shot stays on JT)
Sydney (conf) “It’s not a good thing to go to Tribal Council. I’ve been told by Joe I am safer than Taj (Taj shown) but no one is safe at this point and it really just sucks.”
Tribal Council Pre-Dynamics
JT “I’m sorry guys” (his tribe reassures him no one blames him)
JT “It’s hard not to”
Stephen “Every challenge you’re at, you give it your all, this time it didn’t work out as well”
Joe is shown wincing then shows his tribe his leg which has gotten infected and what I believe was actually a confessional was Joe heard stating what happened but that it should be good tomorrow. He then advises upon Taj asking that he didn’t pick the right urn and that he tried to “juice her” for information but got nothing which Stephen is surprised. Fun music starts to play as Stephen and Taj watch Joe quickly run to get “water”
Joe (conf) “At Exile Erinn gave me a scroll with five clues on it and it was really easy…” “….it was pure relief, now I feel like I got a shot at extra time in this game” (extra time? That was not a very promising comment)
Joe “Real quick. Are we going to get out Taj?”
Sydney “Yeah”
Joe “You good?” Stephen “What?” Joe “Taj. Are you good with that?” Stephen “Yeah”
Sydney (conf) “Tonight, we are all voting for Taj. Joe made sure we were all on the same page and that’s that. I think Taj knows something’s up but she’s not someone who will try and stab people behind their backs or trying to talk crap right before Tribal Council; she’s not that kind of person”
Taj (conf) “I don’t believe I have anything to worry about… I think I have Steve and JT’s trust… and plus I have the idol. I believe that Sydney thinks everything is going to work in her favor because Joe is going to protect her but I’m pretty confident tonight I’m not going” (giggles)
(A snake….) JT “Damn, I was planning on winning this damn thing. It’s gonna make it really hard for us to pull anything off after the merge”
Stephen “That’s why we need Taj around”
JT “Sydney going home”
Stephen “Yeah”
(JT’s confessional shown)
JT “He’s gonna wanna know why (Joe) Sydney and not Taj”
JT (conf) “Taj, myself and Stephen have a tight alliance right now and Taj got the immunity idol I can use; it’s just like it’s my idol and there’s no way I could vote my hidden immunity idol out of this game right now”
Stephen “Joe I know you and Sydney are super tight but it doesn’t mean anything right now. Going into the merge we need some inroads over there”
Stephen (conf) “I think Taj has a real connection with Brendan and Sierra” (while this seemed to be part of their conversation, it sounded spliced in from a confessional)
Joe “Cause she’s been so long on Exile?”
Stephen “Yeah” (camera on JT) “It’s five days I guess with the two of them and it’s all one on one” “It might be the right strategic decision to keep her”
(Joe’s confessional shown)
Joe “I can’t get on board with it. I think we keep Sydney man. I already told her she was going to the merge. I need to try and honor that”
JT “Think on it dude”
(Further with Joe’s confessional)
Joe (conf) “I go to the water to talk to JT and Steve and they got this crazy look in their eye about keeping Taj. They started talking out all these plans that could happen but I kinda envisioned Taj as odd man out and going home if we lose” and “The three of us were not in any agreement on who to vote for tonight and if JT and Steve don’t really give me consideration then I might hand the idol over to Sydney and make a point”
(A shocking visual of black spiders emerge)
JT “What do we do man?” (Sydney is shown) “If we try to vote Taj off tonight she could use her idol”
Stephen “We don’t want that”
JT “And if we get rid of her the idol’s gone too”
Stephen “Well that’s not true”
JT “She gave it to you didn’t she?” (Stephen nods and JT laughs)
JT “You have the idol, she told you to put it in your pocket”
Stephen “Technically it’s mine”
JT “It’s your idol right now” (Stephen says yeah)
JT “If we get rid of Taj tonight that guarantees you and I have the idol” (Stephen rubs his jaw)
JT “Oh man, that’s tough”
JT (conf) “I do think Taj is comfortable right now; she has a very strong alliance with Stephen and myself but the idol is in Stephen and my possession already (this last portion sounded dubbed in) so I can Taj out right now and still have the idol. I have no idea what I’m doing, I’m probably going to decide when I get there; this is terrible, I’m going to hell”
Tribal Council
Jeff asks JT for the state of affairs in this game now (Stephen)
JT “It ain’t sitting real good for Jalapoa right now.
(Joe) We’re down two members after tonight (Joe) and if there’s a merge (Taj) we’re down and out”
Jeff asks Stephen how much time is spent talking about a merge
Stephen (conf) “It’s looming real large for us (Joe) and especially now we’re about to be down by four (Sydney) tribe members; we’re all a little bit intimidated..”
Jeff asks Joe if they do merge they are in trouble so how much of this vote has to do with a merge (JT)
Joe “I would say the vote tonight is based on trust (Stephen) and to go into a merge I want to know I have somebody I can share information (Sydney) with and they’ll share information with me and it won’t leave outside that (JT)
Jeff asks Taj if at this point in the game being on Exile has hurt her and she has spent so much time with people from the other tribe (Joe) she could have the idol (JT to Stephen) and has a lot of potential weapons.
Taj “Definitely but I don’t think (JT shown appearing to look back again at Stephen) it’s a matter that they don’t trust me it’s just the situations I’ve been in are distrustful”
Jeff asks Taj how she will help the other four people in the game
Taj (JT) “Well I think I will be able to create relationships on the other side (Joe) I’ve been on Exile with Sierra (Sydney) and Brendan so I think I could probably talk them into flipping over on our side” (Stephen) “I think I’d be valuable in that way”
Jeff notes to JT that on the flip side Taj made relationships and he hasn’t
JT “Exactly. (Joe nods) I worry about it too Jeff (Sydney nods) she can always fall in with them and start another alliance (Taj) and we’ll be sitting ducks”
Jeff asks Sydney what she brings
Sydney “Well it’s not like I’ve spent exile time with a bunch of people from the other tribe (cymbal – Taj) I definitely bring loyalty to these people” (cymbal)
Jeff notes to Sydney that she is the opposite of Taj and that she is loyal to her tribe
Sydney “Yeah” (Stephen)
Jeff advises Joe that the other tribe has options but their tribe doesn’t if they don’t stick together (JT) they are in trouble
Joe “That’s why I think it’s so important to go into a merge knowing that you at least have four (JT) and you can’t have any doubt (Stephen) they’re going to do anything drastic and leave”
Jeff asks Joe if he is dead set on his vote (Sydney)
Joe “I’m ready to put pencil to paper”
Jeff asks JT if he has any questions as he gets ready to vote
JT “All afternoon Jeff (Taj) and it’s still going through my mind right now” (Stephen) “Here I am, and I blew the challenge today and I got to make a decision to send someone home. It’s a terrible situation for me to be in right now” (Stephen)
The votes are cast with JT as the “last vote” and Sydney leaves. Stephen puts his hand on Taj’s shoulder
Jeff “There was a lot of discussion tonight about a possible merge. If indeed you guys merge (Stephen) down two members (JT) you got your work cut out for you” (JT still shown thorough the narration)
Next week is a big week as merger awaits and the second half of the story should be established. The impressions that have been made are continuing through the storyline and I can't help but going back to the prior episodes and see which of the characters were given some heavy handed edited and not necessarily by face time but what was said about them or highlighted that has been directly in opposition of what the audience learned about them. Stephen was emphasized as not knowing what he is doing out there, Sandy ascertains he can be "led around" and we've heard JT and Sydney comment on his "city" persona. One may not be able to help but see that Sandy's assessment certainly is being proven wrong; Stephen is not being led around but he most certainly attempts to make it appear that way and perhaps that is in his best interests. JT has been introduced as a "Bama" boy and all about strength. Stephen has commented on him, JT himself recognized who he is and how people may perceive him as not being that smart and Joe readily said that JT is brawn but is not a sophisticate. Perhaps JT's "hillbilly" persona is precisely how he wishes to be viewed so he can surprise them otherwise? I also can't ignore how his and Stephen's unique friendship has been touched upon which has now led to this interesting storyline. Something about their relationship and the way it is touched upon and the perception of it through the television set is very interesting to me. Sierra came right out of the gate focused upon as weak and by Coach's own words Sierra was supposed to "crumble." We were told by Sierra herself that "they don't know me at all" and moved from an immediate casualty to now being in an alliance with a strong fellow tribe mate who has a hidden idol along with two members from the opposite tribe who also have a hidden idol. Sierra has made it further than anyone expected her to get (audience included) and may continue to surprise people by not being as weak as they think. These three have struck me the most in terms of what I have taken from this season thus far although there are others there that had first impressions made about them, gave their opinion about others, highlighted more, perhaps even manipulated more or one just can't quite put their finger upon, etc. However, these three I am intrigued by in how they have been personified and I may be too stubborn to let go of it. Regardless I am enjoying this season very much

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Great insight, as always. I would add Erinn to your list; she said about herself at the beginning that she didn't know what she was doing there, and something like, I'm a hairdresser and don't get outdoors much. Yet here she is all the way to the merge and playing a potentially big role as someone who flips to the other tribe after merge, since she doesn't really like her own.

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LAST EDITED ON 04-05-09 AT 07:35 PM (EST)
I enjoyed your analysis Veruca. Stephen, JT and Sierra have had very interesting stories indeed and their actions will have impact but, if you read my thoughts, you'll see that I'm keeping my eyes on a dark horse.
The recap reminded us that the Exile Alliance had both idols and that it was Spenser’s lack of defensive play during the IC that caused him to be voted out and cost Jalapao the momentum.

Maybe something noteworthy: When Jeff mentioned defensive play and we heard JT snapping at Spenser, we saw Sierra draped all over JT, ensuring good defensive coverage.
Night 15 at Jalapeno
Taj and Joe were heard saying that Tribal had been difficult
JT had a confessional: “It didn’t bother me at all to see Spenser go, only the fact that, if there is a merge at 10, rather than going in 6-4, we’ll only have a shot of going in 5–5. ....we’re all united, if we lose again, it’s gonna be another tough one
When the sun came up, Sydney was talking with Joe.
“I may go home if we lose again” she said as we saw Stephen walking by, reminding us who was targeting Sydney.
Joe tried to be reassuring: “Everybody trusts you.”
Sydney, in confessional: "I definitely feel nervous about being a target if we do end up losing the next immunity challenge because the boys may stick together. I feel like Taj and I are on the chopping block.”
Joe had a confessional: “Sydney is very nervous because, every time we lose, she is getting potentially closer to going home. Taj is a very strong challenger for a spot. I got a little thing for Syd. She’s gorgeous so she’s safe.”
Joe told Sydney: “As far as I’m concerned, you got a free pass.”
Day 16 at Timbira:
We had one more of those Coach moments when he decided how to cook the beans. The scene, trivial in itself, showed the tensions in camp.

Coach told us: “The beans are just barely done and that’s when they eat them because they can’t just wait.”
From the shelter, Brendan and the others were looking at Coach who was stirring the pot of beans in the rain. “We shouldn’t allow him back in here until he boils the beans.”
But Coach, despite all his talk, didn’t stay out there under the rain.
Brendan in confessional, said: “That was a selfish decision. The worst part is he didn’t stay out there and tend to the beans. It was another one of those “Coach’s moments.”
It finally stopped raining and they went out to eat. Debbie said: “They taste funny. Some of these beans are like charcoal.”
Sierra, in confessional: “Eventually, the beans burnt and stuck to the whole entire bottom. We lost a lot of beans. There’s a part of me that’s finally just had it. I’m tired of feeding his needs.”
Coach was still smiling and enjoying the beans but he sensed something was wrong. “Don’t be mad” he told Sierra.
“I’m just frustrated” she answered, adding “as you would have been to one of us if we had done it.”
Coach, mockingly: “And the truth shall set you free, Sierra. Go and be free.
Coach in confessional: “It’s always about the beans. Beans, beans, beans. It was a combination that I wanted to cook them longer and it started raining. It was just a bad combination, there’s no need to blame anybody.”
To Sierra and the others, he added: “But I will take the full responsibility, I don’t care. I screwed up the beans, my bad; forgive me everyone, especially you Sierra who seems to have the most angst about it.”
Sierra said: “If you want your beans cooked in a different way, maybe you should make them in a different pot.”
Coach didn’t appreciate being told how to do things. He told us: “I probably won’t make a separate pot for my beans. I can’t believe this is going on over such a trivial subject. Screw all this stuff, it’s all meaningless.”
Brendan concluded: “With Coach; there are probably five, six situations like that where Coach has done things and we’re like: “Come on, that’s not really for the best of the team that’s for the best of just you. He does some irritating things but I totally accept it because he is a predictable player and predictable in this game is great.”
Interestingly, we didn’t see the scene from the previews where Debbie had a confessional in which she said: “We were all frustrated with Coach.”
Jalapao
In a very telling juxtaposition, Jalapao’s leader was also busy cooking beans but here there was no drama, just people enjoying their meal. To cut two scenes back to back like that was to show how much JT is the opposite of Coach, that JT is the real Renaissance man that does everything well.
JT told us: “It’s day 16 and it’s getting strange around here. I am a country boy and it’s hard for me to be mean to people. I’ve been honest with everybody and I hope to stay that way. Hopefully, everyone’s been honest with me as well.”
Just then, we saw his closest ally, Stephen on screen, reminding us that not everyone has been honest with JT.
- “I’m going to tell JT I do have the idol” said Taj.
Stephen didn’t like that idea: “So what does telling him about it accomplish? I think it might make him wary of you.”
Taj had a confessional: “After the last tribal council when JT voted Spenser over me, that’s when I knew I had JT in our corner.”
She asked Stephen if it would be better to give JT some clues and ask for his help in finding the idol.
Stephen had to consider this: “Taj said she wanted to tell JT about the idol. Until JT knows, I’m basically controlling the information flow between TaJ and JT. I want to remain that bridge because, if they connect, I might become a less essential part of the loop.”
Taj’s confessional continued: “The real alliance for me is my 4 person alliance once the merge happens which is Steve, Brendan, Sierra and myself. Here, I just want to make it to the merge and, with JT on my side, I’ll be in pretty good shape.”
Taj asked Stephen: “Absolutely sure you don’t want to bring JT in?”
Stephen answered “No, I’m not sure at all”.
When Pigs Fly:
We saw Sierra’s shock, Coach’s smile and Erinn saying “crazy” when Jeff told them that Spenser had been voted out.
During the challenge, we heard Brendan and JT giving out directives in building the barricade while Sierra and Stephen were shown surveying what the other team was doing. Maybe something to note also was when the camera showed Timbira’s barricade, we saw Erinn through the bars, sitting as if she was in jail.
Because Jeff said Sydney and JT had a good thing going, one can’t help but wonder if it was to plant the seed that JT made the wrong decision in voting her out.
At first Timbira was noted to be on a roll, then they fell apart and finally came back when “Tyson snaked it through to Coach” to win the challenge. Is that how the season will evolve?
During the celebration, Sierra and Erinn both jumped in Brendan’s arms, Debbie went to Coach while Tyson celeberated on his own.
With Timbira having to decide on sending someone to exile, Taj told us: “Everything is in place for us. We have both idols, we have the alliance intact… All I kept thinking was send someone else.”
Brendan obliged by sending Joe to the Exile Sand Dune.
Joe picked Erinn, explaining: “The decision to bring Erinn with me to exile was strategic because, going into a merge, we need somebody to flip. My charm game is definitely part of my strategy and she’s an attractive woman.”
Heading back to camp, JT told us what he thought: “It sucked but I don’t really care about a reward, it’s just a reward but if we lose the next immunity challenge, we go down 6-4 in numbers so we just can’t blow it, we need to win.”
The Reward:
At the waterfall, Brendan was the main narrator: “We saw the perfect All-American picnic… The first bite of the burger was like heaven. The water is so crystal clear, it’s beautiful.”
Debbie chimed in: “Manners were out the window. Eating as much as we could, we were like animals.”
The editors poked a little more fun at Coach, showing him stuffing his face just as we saw a little monkey doing the same. Then, at the waterfall, we saw him flip head first out of his floater.

Coach, being the nice guy that he is, said: “A small part of me feels guilty that Erinn is not here but, in my opinion, she’s lucky to still be in this game. These people in the tribe, these are the people that I would pick to be enjoying this.”
Brendan concluded: “All in all, a great win, a great day. There’s no bickering and it’s good to feel that momentum back, especially this late in the game.”
Exile Island
Day 16
Erinn and Joe arrived and saw 2 urns. Only Erinn’s contained a scroll. Walking away with her clues to the idol, Erinn said: “It’s very apparent that the idol is not here. It’s back at camp and, if it’s back at camp, there’s more than 1. Now, I have to figure out: Do I trust Joe, do I not trust Joe because I have no alliances out here. He would be a good ally and, if we were aligned and had two idols, that may not be a bad thing for us.”
Joe tried to get information from Erinn by asking who her favorite was over at Timbira.
Erinn answered: “I don’t know about favorites. Can you have favorites out here? How about you?”
Joe said: “JT. JT’s a good dude.”
Erinn agreed: “He seems like it.”
Joe asked: “Need help with those clues?”
Erinn answered: “Maybe, I’ll let you know.”
“Then we could work on them together.”
Joe had a confessional: “I have no clue where the idol is. I think she knows where it’s at. Hopefully, I can get it out of her. We’ll see how it goes.”
Erinn told Joe that there was more than one idol but that they weren’t here.
“Let’s go find both of them” said Joe.
(In a little wink back at the Micronesia season, this was said while Joe was handling a piece of wood, a stick. Remember Eliza’s “it can’t be the immunity idol; it’s just a stick.)
Erinn had another confessional: “I decided I was going to tell Joe about the idol. I’m hoping that Joe turns out to be a trustworthy individual.”

Hearing the clues, Joe said: “It’s at tree mail.”
Erinn warned: “If it’s still there.”
Joe concluded: “This couldn’t be any better right now. I picked the empty urn and now I know where the idol is. If Erinn and I get both idols, that’s a humongous alliance. That could probably rival anything I got back at camp.”
Jalapeno
Day 16:
Stephen was talking with Taj: “When Joe comes back, he’s going to have enough clues to find the idol in thirty seconds.”
Taj figured that she needed to go into the Fake Idol business. That way, she could put something in the place of the idol ASAP.
Stephen liked that idea and offered some of his stuff; feathers and leather straps.
Taj set out to make her fake idol. First, she needed to take a look at the real one to have an idea on how to make hers look authentic. She went through Stevie’s pants to retrieve the real idol. Stevie didn’t like seeing her take possession of the idol but what could he say?
Taj said: “Hopefully, I will be able to throw Joe off.”
Taj showed us the finished product and it looked very good.
After being so smart about the fake idol, Taj was dumb about the real one, hiding it in her bag which she left in camp. JT found it without even looking for it.
JT was pleased to tell us all about it: “I grabbed a bag and, sitting right on top, was the hidden immunity idol. Apparently Taj found the idol.”
He told Stephen about his find and Stephen had to do some quick thinking: “When JT found the idol, I was thinking what the heck do I say? I said I know but I don’t think I had the appropriate amount of shock on my face.”
He told his ally that Taj had just found it and had showed it to him.
JT was happy to see that the game had just changed and that they had a hidden immunity idol at camp.
Stephen told Taj that they needed to let JT know that she had the idol. “I wanted to let Taj know that JT had found the idol in her bag and that she should tell JT that she has it. So, the three of us are on the same page.”
Taj gave JT the “news” that she had the idol, JT said he had seen it, Taj promised that JT could use the idol if he felt he needed it.
JT said: “Taj just made a promise to me that anytime I may need the immunity idol, she would give it to me. That’s a big promise. Hopefully, she’ll keep it.”
Stephen arrived just then and Taj asked that the three join hands to make a pact to the merge.
Stephen said: “To the merge? You mean to the end!”
More importantly, Stevie convinced Taj to take the idol out of her bag and put it in the back of his pants, where it belonged.
JT concluded by saying: “Taj just put herself, me and Stephen in a really tight alliance. It doesn’t make me uncomfortable that I found the idol before Taj showed it to me. It took her a little while to come around but she was honest. Stephen has been very honest with me and I feel I can trust Stephen all the way. I just hope I’m not wrong.”
The Immunity Challenge:
Of note, Tyson taunted JT after breaking his last tile: “I’ll come over and do it if you want.”
Erinn and Brendan were once more the ones that did the puzzle for Timbira.
Asked by Jeff how he felt immediately after the win, Coach boasted in front of Jalapao: “It’s incredible. This was just so pivotal, this win, because it just gives us control of the game.”
Knowing Coach’s track record, that would be an indication that Timbira isn’t in total control.
When Jeff told them that they would be going to Tribal Council, Sydney gave us her thoughts: “It’s not a good thing to go to tribal council. I’ve been told by Joe that I am safer than Taj but, no one is safe at this point. It really just sucks.”
Jalapao
Day 18.
JT was still feeling sorry for the loss but Stephen was comforting him by saying he always gives his best.
Joe winced in pain.
Taj commented: “Your leg looks bad. It’s red all the way down from the knee to the ankle.”
Joe figured it would be better in a day or so.
Stephen asked Joe about his trip to exile with Erinn: “Did she show you?”
Joe said: “I tried to juice her for info but I got nothing. It was a long two days.”
Taj was biting her lips, trying not to laugh. That became harder when, saying he wanted to get some water, Joe raced over to the tree mail location.
Joe, not realizing that it was too easy, said: “I got the idol in 10 seconds. I was stoked, it was pure relief. Now, I think I have a great shot at extra time in this game.”
Later, with Taj out of camp, Joe tried to get everyone to vote her out.
Sydney was happy: “Tonight, they are all voting for Taj. Joe made sure they were all on the same page and that’s that. I think Taj knows something’s up but she is not someone to stab people behind their back or to talk crap just before leaving for Tribal Council.”
Taj saw it differently: “I have JT and Stephen’s trust completely plus I have the idol. I think Sydney believes everything is going to work in her favor because Joe is going to protect her but I feel pretty confident I’m not going.”
JT was still miserable as he talked to Stephen: “It’s gonna make it really hard for us to pull anything off after the merge.”
Stephen replied: “That’s why we need Taj around.”
“So, we should send Sydney home… Joe is gonna want to know why it was Sydney and not Taj.”
Stephen knew that it would be a hard task. He waited to be in the lake with Joe to tell him: “I know you would like to be with Sydney but it doesn’t mean anything right now. Going into the merge, we need to make inroads over there and I think Taj has a real connection to Brendan and Sierra.”
Joe told us: “JT and Stephen had this crazy look in their eyes about keeping Taj. They start talking about all these plans that could happen. I can’t be on board with this. I want Sydney to make it to the merge and I want to honor that. The three of us weren’t in any agreement on who to vote tonight. If they don’t give me consideration, I might give the idol to Sydney and make a point.”
Clouds gathered and a whole nest of spiders got disturbed. Something big was about to happen, or so Burnett wanted us to think.
JT and Stephen were still not sure what to do.
JT said: “If we try to vote Taj out tonight, she could use her idol. If we get rid of her, the idol’s gone too.”
Stephen replied: “That’s not true.”
JT realized: “She gave it to you, didn’t she?”
Stephen nodded and both guys smiled at the possibility.
“It’s technically mine” said Stephen.
JT told us: “Taj feels comfortable right now because she has a strong alliance. But the idol is in Steven’s and my possession already. We could vote Taj out and still have the idol. I don’t know what I’m doing; I’ll probably decide when I get there. It’s terrible, I’m going to hell.”
Tribal Council
Asked about the state of affairs at Jalapao, JT said: “Things aren’t very good for Jalapao right now. If there is a merge, we are down and out.”
Stephen said that the merge was looming real large. “We’re all a little bit intimidated by what may happen.”
Joe said: “I would say the vote tonight is based on trust. I want to have somebody I can share with.”
Taj was asked about spending so much time on Exile Island. She said: “It’s not that they don’t trust me it’s just the situations I’ve been in are distrustful… I’ve been on Exile with Sierra and Brendan so I think I could probably talk them into flipping over to our side.”
Jeff noted to JT that Taj made relationships but he hadn’t.
JT answered: “She could always fall in with them and start another alliance and we’d still be sitting ducks.”
Sydney “I definitely bring loyalty to these people”
Jeff said that Sydney was the opposite of Taj.
JT had the last word: “I got to make a decision to send someone home. It’s a terrible situation for me to be in right now.”
After Sydney left, Jeff said: “There was a lot of discussion tonight about a possible merge. If indeed you guys merge down two members, you got your work cut out for you.”
The Characters:
Jalapao: Even if they are down 6-4, we probably won’t be seeing them go down one after the other. Coach cannot be in control of this! However, I don’t see any of them winning this game because they have never been described as underdogs.
Joe: We didn’t hear anything from Joe about wondering if the idol was real and he was shown to be out of the loop with what was being decided in the tribe. Joe is being set up either as the “Dumb Player” who will play a fake idol thinking he is safe or the talk about his injury is to set the stage for his evacuation. Either way, Joe doesn’t have much longer. His importance will be in seeing how his actions affect Erinn’s story.
Taj: Hearing her say that she has Stephen’s and JT’s trust is worrisome when you consider how much scheming is happening in her back. With all her eggs in the Exile Alliance’s basket, it will be interesting to see her next episode but it feels like Taj will be a “Victim” of someone schemes.
JT: He was getting a “Hero’s” edit but we had a little different look of JT this week. Most noteworthy is the direct comparison the editors made between him and Coach during the bean cook-out. With Coach obviously portrayed as a loser, does that mean JT is being presented to be our winner? Possible but there are some worries with his edit: The recap reminded us that he was responsible for Spenser’s exit and hearing him say: “It didn’t bother me at all to see Spenser go” doesn’t fit with his nice country-boy story, the guy that said he couldn’t be mean to people. Hearing him so casually targeting Taj also doesn’t fit. JT had never been presented as a new “iceman”. A late change of persona is rarely a good sign.
Stephen: He is presented as the best player out there. If this was a season that was based on strategy, he would have been presented with the perfect role. This, however, is a season of first impressions and finding who you can trust. We are clearly shown that no one should trust Stephen so the question becomes: Will he be able to keep his innocent appearance or will he be uncovered for the snake that he is continually being compared to? Maybe an indication came when he told us that he didn’t have the appropriate amount of shock on his face when he lied to JT. Maybe the continual reminders that he isn’t sure how to proceed (as shown once more when he told Taj he was not sure if they should tell JT) is to prepare us for when he misses his opportunity. If Stephen wins that would mean he would have been able to fool them all for 39 days with the first impression he made. Not a bad story at all.
Timbira: It always felt that the winner had to come from this tribe. Compared to Jalapao where the only question seemed to be “what will Stephen and JT do?” Timbira has always been kept in a very confusing state. The best indication of this was Debbie’s confessional “We were all frustrated with Coach” being left out.
Debbie: Having made the merge, there is no doubt that Debbie will be carried far but her only impact could be as the swing vote between Coach and Brendan’s side…If Coach still has a side.
Coach: He will continue to create chaos around him but I expect we will see him leave as soon as it is safe to do so. Maybe Timbira will wait until one more Jalapao is voted out, maybe they already have had enough of him.
Tyson: He was only used for a few laughs in this episode and that seems to be the role he is confined to. Tyson wants Erinn voted out. Tyson wants Brendan voted out. Tyson wants Coach voted out. He seems to be all talk, no action.
Brendan: He had a very strong episode, one which showed him as the real leader of Timbira. I would be very surprised to learn that Brendan didn’t know he had the votes against Coach to take him out whenever he wanted. Coach, Tyson and Stephen are presented as his potential rivals so his road to the end is shrouded in doubt which is good for a winner. Brendan winning would be the story of someone who didn’t make a bad impression at first and who didn’t form any opinions of others either but still was able to work with them to get to the end. It seems that they could have made his story more interesting if he was the winner.
Sierra: Where has her story gone? Lately, we only see her in battle with Coach. We have heard that she is pissed, she is frustrated, she is mad, that she doesn’t really care if she stays or if she goes. The only positive we saw in this episode was when she seemed to be the one that stopped JT during the previous episode’s challenge. Unless she has a strong episode, I think we may have had our final 2 results reversed. The vote should go to someone who told us they wanted to be there rather than someone who doesn’t care.

Erinn: She continues to say that she has no alliances but we know she is clearly going up against Coach. It stands to reason that, even if they didn’t make a pact to the end, the players who are frustrated with Coach are united in some sort of fashion. Seeing her always teamed up with Brendan during puzzle challenges suggests that something from her story has been kept hidden. Showing us just how clueless Joe was about the fake idol and the vote in Jalapao could be part of Erinn’s story, to present her even more as an isolated player who could fall for an alliance that isn’t worth much.
This episode was very solid for her when you consider her on-going story. It made sense that Joe picked her because we had been told by Stephen that Jalapao considered her a flip possibility. Joe reminded us of just that. Coach reminded us that he considers her an unworthy opponent, lucky to still be in the game. In line with her episode #2 Tribal Council comment, she told us she didn’t know if she could trust Joe or not and only told him about the clues after careful consideration. If Joe being clueless was important to create doubts about Erinn’s future, showing his loyalty to Sydney showed that Erinn was right in considering him trustworthy. Joe isn’t Stephen.
It will be very important to see how Erinn is presented during the merge episode especially because, with Timbira winning immunity, we didn't get to see what she did once back in camp. Still, I’d put money on Erinn being the winner of Survivor Tocantins.
I had fun writing the summary for this episode in Bashers here. I hope you'll enjoy it.

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04-06-09, 04:12 PM (EST)

86. "RE: Episode 6 Editing"

Actually, I think Erinn's story is mostly tied to Coach. Once he's gone, then so is she. I still think Sierra has a shot of winning the whole thing.
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87. "RE: Episode 6 Editing"

Nice analysis. JT has had a huge boost in confessionals this episode, I hope that doesn't mean he's going to go soon.

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88. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

Recap
Coach and Brendan struggled for control at Timbira (and thus, the beauty of the edit as we were given only just a brief "teaser" of a potential situation when Tyson and Coach commented on Brendan’s budding relationships that was seemingly discarded but now is rearing it’s ugly head)
Coach (conf) "If Brendan got voted off and I was the leader I think this tribe would be better"
Tyson chose sides. (The scene where he speaks of Brendan’s budding relationships - I do find it interesting that Jeff narrates that Tyson chose a side when in reality, he never did choose a side)
Jalapao took a beating (JT and Joe shown) and they lost their third immunity challenge in a row (Brendan and Erinn successful at the last IC)
Brendan was saved by Tyson and Coach (More build up for the plot)
At Jalapao, with Tribal Council looming, Taj and Stephen in control of the hidden idol, Taj reached out to JT
Taj "Honestly I don’t want you and Steve to go out prematurely" (This sentence was chosen instead of a confessional by JT or words from Stephen or even why Taj told JT - prophetic?)
At Tribal Council, the three stuck together. Down four members to six, Jalapao became a desperate tribe.
Obviously quite a bit has been made regarding Coach and Tyson vs. Brendan due to what occurred in this episode and with the result on a holding pattern due to Joe being taken out of the game, this storyline is pending. What I do find intriguing and mentioned before is how "losing" tribes are edited and spoken about by Jeff. Jalapao has never been given a scorned edit as we have seen in the past. Negativity has never been attached to them which seems to bode well for the three remaining old Jalapao (in my case, two of them There has never been any secret that Jalapao is in dire straits, we heard quite a bit in last week’s episode that they are nervous due to their numbers but I don’t find the editing regaling a massive failure for them or a negative shading to the three left - we are meant to generally like these three and that made bode well for them or some of them. This seems further evidenced by the following scene; we are meant to like this tribe and hope they do not fall by the wayside
Post Tribal Council Aftermath
Taj (conf) "At Tribal Council, Sydney was voted out... I felt bad she had to go but one of us had to go and I’m glad it’s not me"
Joe (conf) "After tonight’s vote, I feel like the odd man out... so you get a little nervous, a little concerned when you see torch after torch put out, it’s not fun. It’s not fun to lose, it’s not fun to vote people out you like home"
JT "Jalapao’s down to four man" (a joke ensues over losing the "pao" part of "Jalapao"
Taj "How the tables turn, we were on a winning streak..." (Stephen shown)
JT "There’s no telling what tomorrow holds in store guys"
Taj "Good things. Maybe our luck will change tomorrow"
(nice bit of foreshadowing? JT shown) "Maybe it will change" (Stephen’s head flops down with a bit of dramatic musical end)
Coach, Coach, Coach
Quite an over the top sequence for Coach with the blaring sun and intense music. I applaud the editors for this effect - it was ridiculous, we were meant to see it that way as well as his edit. Brendan asks about Coach and told he is meditating
Coach (conf) "Almost to day 20; up till now it’s been about the team. I’ve been trying to get along.... .....I need to get centered.... ...it was like boom, everything just clicked, this is about me now" (Coach shown to give massages to his "team") "We’re so close to a merge.. so I’ve been pacifying everybody and getting along with the tribe"
Erinn (conf) "Coach has a new thing... if that’s the thing to turn you into Mr. Nice Guy, you do it, every day... ...I like new Coach" (A perfect confessional from the perfect person considering the discord that has been shown between these two (along with Tyson)
Coach "What will today bring?"
Brendan "You’re like a completely different person now"
Coach "Life is good" (as Debbie feeds Coach)
Brendan (conf) "My relationship with Coach to me has been good the whole time; there’s definitely been things he’s done around camp (Sierra) that have been annoying or outside the box (Coach being shown handling his hair) I mean he’s always doing (mimics Coach smoothing back his hair) his hair and we were talking about it and he said I kind of started this Samurai thing and I was like... they’ve been doing it for thousands of years in Japan and Johnny Depp’s been doing it for like twenty years here, you haven’t started anything!" (A last show of Coach over the water, arms raised in the air with the bright sun)
Obviously, we needed this scene to showcase the budding rivalry of Coach and Brendan as well as Coach’s narration on his change of philosophy from "team" to "me" (tied nicely to the merger and the events) and I do find it interesting going back to the first episode that Ben approached Brendan to join him in his quest to allow the strong to survive which was reiterated later by Coach in this episode. I had mentioned in my first post:
"He (Ben) set a future story line up with his notion on how this game should be played although that does not necessarily mean he, himself, will be the hero of his own story but rather, perhaps taken down in battle by a worthy opponent." I also questioned whether Brendan would be part/parcel to this as it was addressed to him.
While Coach’s words and ideas are often laughable, I continue to back burner these words by him - it may solely be relevant to Coach’s OWN demise as opposed to his battling someone at end game and/or it may be relevant that his own wish of how he wants to change the game may, in fact, come true... two worthy opponents (only not Coach) Time will tell
Jalapao
Joe’s leg was re-introduced to us again for obvious reasons with Taj confessing to her concern over it. Joe goes to lay down
JT "....Jalapao is still down to four members, things are really not looking our way so there’s a lot at stake for every one of us who want a shot in this game, it’s definitely the biggest challenge yet" (Of note is the difference between Taj’s confessional focused solely on the injury as opposed to JT’s confessional relating it to the game)
Timbira and Jalapao
Both tribes read their tree mail with Stephen questioning that it could be a merge and Taj just wanting to eat. Taj gives a cute confessional that whoever wins this challenge gets a huge feast and get’s excited whenever she hears a word that starts with "F" and the four question the tree mail some more
JT (conf) "I’m really hard on myself when I lose, I hate losing. I’m a sore loser. If it’s a merge, ball game’s on; that’s the reason why I am hoping it’s a challenge. I don’t know if I’m ready yet but uh I feel like I’ve got to redeem myself...."
Challenge Arrival
(Of note, both tribes walking down their pathways, one can a brief glance with Erinn and Joe as they lead their tribes and one can see Coach touching JT’s fist as they pass along the path. What is interesting about this is that this probably was not the first time there has been contact as I am hard pressed to believe Coach just randomly decided to touch JT’s fist but we were shown it this particular episode and for obvious reasons. I must say generally speaking I am enjoying the collective dynamic of the two tribes together; while Tyson has been shown ribbing Jalapao there is a nice vibe of both tribes’ interaction with each other (recall Taj hugging Debbie) and in a game where it can be very cutthroat I find it refreshing) With that said, both tribes reach the feast with cries of excitement and Tyson again in his usual manner asking JT to read the note due to his "sultry voice." JT then reads that they have merged
Stephen (conf) "Our biggest hope was that today was the merge feast, less the merge than the merge feast. Jalapao is freaking hungry"
(More joking shown with Erinn joking that Tyson is like a girl and all laughing. Coach then raises his glass in a toast)
Coach (conf) "The feast, man, it’s cool cause we are meeting new people. It’s like getting a new girlfriend, there are all kinds of things to explore. (Taj and Sierra laughing) I just wish we could have decimated their tribe just a little bit more. We had them on the ropes (Stephen then JT) they were going to go down... (shot stays on JT) ...we had them on the ropes (Erinn and Joe laughing) but it’s all good, we’re in control, we can be in control the rest of the way"
JT then asks if anyone has any secrets as he’s "got nothing" (Coach shown) with Stephen joking how JT is a rocket scientist. Coach then states he is a soccer coach as well as a conductor. JT replies: "instructor" and Coach clarifies as Erinn is showing smiling, Coach expands and Brendan shown smiling.
Coach (conf) "I like JT man, he’s a warrior. I’m looking forward to get to know him and Stephen, I mean he’s obviously intelligent so I look forward to these individual immunities challenges especially in the beginning where we got all the big horses and alpha males together, that’s gonna be awesome" (JT shown) (Poor Joe, did not even receive any "alpha male" acknowledgement)
Stephen suggests a tribe name which Coach is not sure about as the others also joke about and Coach proceeds to suggest his own name which purportedly means strength in Portuguese. Debbie does not seem too sure by her expression
Sierra "...we don’t have to talk about it now and that’s fine but we’re just shocked by the last two votes" (reaction shot from Brendan. JT shakes his head. Joe replies: "Good") "You guys didn’t come up with the idea of who was going home..."
Stephen "How do you guys make your decisions?" (on screen as Joe states it was hard to talk about it)
Stephen (conf) "I was sort of tip toeing around Sierra because you do need to be discreet with how much information you give out. You know these are your future competitors so you can’t just be giving away your entire tribe dynamic"
Stephen (with JT’s face on camera) "You guys have been great competitors and it’s been a lot of fun you know competing against you (Coach) and when you guys win we all appreciate how well you’ve done" (Erinn heard to say thanks as camera goes back to JT)
JT (conf) "I was really worried about the merge. Traditionally, if you’re outnumbered 4 to 6 at the merge, you’re sitting ducks" (Debbie tells JT that he has to catch fish for them) "I’m really worried about the numbers (Sierra shown) and I hope that there’s a power struggle (Brendan) in the old Timbira and I can exploit that. (Coach) Going in this 4 to 6 (Stephen) that’s not a good odds" (JT)
Again we are hit over the head how down and out Jalapao is with respect to numbers and I find it very heavy handed so much so that I find that Timbira may just do exactly what JT hopes for and turn amongst each other so that Jalapao (or some of them) may survive for end game. There is a sincerity in this characterization that I found lacking (for example) in last season when Fang was downtrodden and much of that was based on the characterizations made about that tribe even when they found a ray of hope
Forza
Erinn welcomes JT to his new house as JT thanks her. The normal perusing of the camp ensues as the shelter is deemed a "fixer upper", Taj sits on a swing and Joe and Brendan shake hands as JT and Coach look over the shelter
JT (conf) "We walk into the old Timbira camp and first of all we got a little dog house shelter and I’m like what is this? I don’t know how the house is still standing" (Sierra and Taj sitting next to each - as they did during the merge feast)
Brendan suggests they start from scratch as Debbie is heard asking if they should take the new additions on a tour which was not immediate as Sierra is now shown sitting under the shelter unless she jumped up immediately. JT notes the bean situation as Joe jumps up to do the tour
Stephen (conf) "The Timbira people are definitely running the show; it’s definitely intimidating going into the merge down in numbers. They can pick us off if they want; we’re dependent on their good graces so even if we make allies with them those allies are in a dominant position" (This confessional was part of Stephen’s earlier confessional)
Male Bonding
JT and Coach are now shown fishing together, trading small talk when Coach initiates a strategy discussion
Coach (conf) "I knew the first time I looked at JT.... open, honest face and I said to myself he’s a good ole boy. We’re kindred spirits, we both love the outdoors. I think that we’re both warriors" (Circles back to the first episode in terms of Coach’s desire of worthy opponent but also first impressions - I stated in my last post that JT’s persona seems very tied to the impressions made storyline - the "Bama" boy who is all brawn and no brains however the audience is learning that JT has no problem allowing people to believe that when, in fact, that is not the case)
Coach "Let’s talk about the game a little bit..."
JT "I’m up for anything man"
(JT’s confessional shown)
JT "From what I know, Brendan thinks he’s in control of the game"
Coach "Who told you that?"
JT "Taj. I’m 95% sure he’s got the idol" (a snake is being shown)
Coach "You swear to me Taj does not have it"
JT "I don’t know if she’s got it or not; if she does, there’s two idols" (musical change)
Coach "It’s crazy. Alright, I’m gonna tell you a couple of things" (snake shown again) "...let’s keep it confidential between you and I. I said in the very beginning of this game to everybody I will not lie in this game so let’s just keep it honest between us, let’s keep it real" (the dreaded handshake!)
(More of JT’s confessional)
JT "If Brendan’s got the idol, we got to blindside him" (Coach nodding thoughtfully)
(More of Coach’s confessional)

JT (conf) "Not even 15 minutes and Coach is ready to talk about the game and it was perfect, I couldn’t wait to talk to him about the game" (Again, this is part of the confessional during the merge feast) and "I’ve seen cracks right away. I had some ideas before there ever was a merge; it’s hard to keep six people from different walks of life stick together when they hate each other so I’m just here to make sure everybody hates each other" (This is from a separate confessional)
Coach (conf) "I have a lot of emotions going on. I have said I thought Brendan was a little bit squirrelly but if you flat out lied to me you better be prepared to go to war" (Indeed, I believe there will be one)
The Seeds Are Planted
Coach "I’d gone to JT and the reason why I did, I told you from the beginning that he and I had this rapport without talking. I know he’s a good ole boy, well check this out. Brendan has the idol"
Tyson "I thought so"
Coach "I want you to think about an alliance with Stephen and JT" (Tyson nods)
Tyson "Here’s what we do, me, you, JT, Stephen and Debbie. Keep that five, we can take it"
Coach (conf) "It’s time to go for the jugular, Brendan is the head of the dragon. If you want to defeat the army, you cut off the head of the dragon. Brendan going out as the first person from the merge? Yes, I love it. That’s awesome!"
Tyson "I was talking about getting rid of Brendan because it just didn’t feel like he was being sincere with anybody"
Stephen "Yeah, I think he basically has underestimated everybody else" (Another potential tie to the theme.)
Tyson "He’s told me he doesn’t have the idol which I don’t believe and he’s told me he wants to take me to the final which I also don’t believe. We’re taking you and JT"
Stephen "Oh good"
Tyson "It’s you and JT, Coach and myself and Debbie"
(Stephen’s confessional)
Tyson "We just have to take our time and be quiet about it" (Stephen: Yeah) "If we do that, once we get Brendan out the game is all in our hands" (Stephen on screen who flashes a big smile as they both laugh)
Stephen (conf) "We definitely found an inroad with Timbira, this is clearly a very fractured tribe because there’s no strong bonds.... ....makes it very easy to exploit"
Again, more "set up" for the story line that emerged and will continue. It is normally safe to say that the best laid plans.... and more than likely Tyson and/or Coach will suffer for it. Why would JT and Stephen not? The editing is not making a secret that Coach’s demise will be (or should) be of epic proportions. It stands to reason that Erinn may be a big part of this fracture that occurs in Timbira. JT and Stephen (and later Taj) have never been shown skewing negative in this planning; they were/are "desperate" (to use the show's word) and desperate measures call for any action necessary but let’s not mistake a headstrong move due to no other recourse as opposed to a move that we, as the audience, are getting full insight from Stephen and JT that has been thoughtful. Further, who would Brendan be looking to seek revenge? Would not Brendan be more angry at his own Timbira members than Stephen and JT and clearly the editing has been building on the "competitive" nature between Coach and Brendan in their bout for leader (although one would suspect that Brendan may want to "kill off" the assistant coach since Tyson is not as predictable as Coach (we know Brendan enjoys predictability) We have gotten inside the thought process of Stephen and JT and what their hopes are and their concerns whereas Coach’s have been very linear; solely about taking Brendan down. The depth of insights lends better to Stephen and JT’s success than Coach and Tyson’s. Stephen accurately assessed this situation that they can exploit something already established
A New Day, A New Fishing Partner
JT and Tyson are now shown fishing together with Tyson catching a small catfish that even JT doesn’t recognize
JT (conf) "I expected not to get along with Tyson at all, we talk a lot of smack to each other and now you know we get on the same tribe... you’re still competing against him but you’re living with him, it’s a little different now" (Note this confessional was taken at the same time as his much earlier confessionals which is probably when the tribe was just newly merged.)
JT "Stephen’s the only guy I can vouch for 100% so.."
Tyson "And for me it’s Coach so..." (JT interrupts stating that is what Coach said)
Tyson "I was thinking of getting rid of Brendan like since two or three eliminations ago"
JT "He’s gonna be surprised" (They shake and hug)
(Tyson’s confessional shown)
Tyson (conf) "I’d like to get rid of Brendan; he’s the biggest threat, he seems like a sneaky bastard you know. I can’t look him in the eye and believe a word he says. You can look at my sweet blue eyes and I’ll tell you sweet nothings and you’ll believe all of them"
(A bit of the Tyson we’ve come to know and at this juncture, we really have not been shown anything from Brendan that validates Tyson’s words especially with his quip about himself being someone anyone would believe; we have already seen Tyson lie straight to Candace, her believe him and Tyson laughingly tell her he just lied to her. The irony that may befall Tyson is his "underestimating" that anyone would believe him and I notice that neither Tyson or Coach expressed any wariness whatsoever regarding their formed alliance with JT and Stephen)
Tyson suggest to Debbie they go look for firewood in order for Tyson to let Debbie know of the plan. Taj is shown in close up which moves to Brendan then back to Taj as a cymbal crashes down - Taj is watching closely
Taj (conf) "After the two tribes merged I was thinking we were probably safe, Stephen and myself because of the secret alliance we have between us and Brendan and Sierra but they haven’t even made any signs or signals so it makes me think they are going to stick behind their tribe right now"
Taj "I went to Exile with Brendan three times"
Stephen "What do you think is going on?"
Taj "I don’t know; I can’t tell if he’s still with us or not... I don’t feel like he’s doing the things he said he was going to do before"
Brendan (conf) "My exile alliance with Taj, Sierra and Stephen is still kind of laying low which is what I think needs to do cause that alliance is only effective once the numbers get down to seven or eight so right now Joe needs to go, JT needs to go and then my exile alliance can kind of take charge if need be" (Perhaps a fatal flaw by Brendan which remains to be seen - once more Brendan does not communicate which could end up being potentially dangerous for him as we that Taj is very concerned that Brendan has not given her any indication they are on the same page)
Tyson "Coach talked to JT last night and we’re good; JT’s a straight shooter, good guy (perhaps there is someone else besides Tyson who is good at lying no?) he said he trusted Stephen with all his life. You, me, Coach, JT and Stephen"
Debbie "I like JT and Stephen"
Tyson "They’re both..." (Debbie finishes: straight shooters then Brendan approaches)
Tyson "Do you think Joe?
Brendan "Yeah. What do you think?"
Tyson "He’s injured so he’s not going to be able to compete at stuff we think"
Brendan "Um yeah"
Tyson (conf) "I talked with Brendan and I just wanted to let him fee like I was still on board with any plan he had. I do feel proud being a better schemer than Brendan; he’s supposed to be this big league businessman who gets businesses rolling, makes tons of money; he’s like putty in my hands. I can mold this game however I want right now"
While Tyson has always been noted for his rather outrageous commentary, this episode’s tone for Tyson has taken a bit of a turn as his words stand out more from the rest commenting on Brendan’s demise; surprisingly even Coach’s! Additionally, while what Tyson may be saying is true, we have no real evidence to support it and Tyson’s words are solely personal with only one comment that Brendan is the biggest threat - THAT would be understandable but he compounds his thoughts with more of an attackful approach that the audience has really yet to see with Brendan. Recall that many times those in "danger" are not the ones who leave and with Tyson’s escalation and let’s not forget his love for the "blindside" this may come back to haunt him somehow
(A little owl pops up to "hoo")
Joe and Erinn take a little walk to the tree mail
Erinn (conf) "...I was able to figure out there were most likely two idols and Joe and I decided we were going to work together..."
Joe "So you don’t know where it is?"
Erinn "Oh no, not at all"
Joe "You can’t even trust me" (Erinn laughs) "I don’t know what you’re doing, it’s a simple question if you have the immunity idol"
Erinn "I don’t have it. We’re here"
(Joe then shows her where it would be hidden and sees it is not there)
Erinn (conf) "There’s a very specific pocket... there’s nothing in there so we can assume Brendan or Sierra has the idol; we’ll vote them both out and then we can actually play the game for real" (Easier said than done?)
Immunity - Individual Feathers!
JT responds to Jeff advising of their newly named merged tribe as the introduction to the individual immunity necklace is given. Sierra and Brendan get close shots upon Jeff’s talk of the necklace.
-Stephen struggles early (he has a lot of limbs to which Erinn jokes "More than the rest of us?")
-Joe now struggling (JT: "Joe hang in there buddy. You know me or you is going home tonight" Joe: "I know")
-Stephen falls off and Joe follows soon after with Jeff noticing his leg
-Taj and Brendan both having trouble with JT also moving
Sierra, Debbie, Coach and Tyson in very good shape
Brendan drops out (as Coach smiles) followed right by Taj and then Erinn
-JT falls as only Timbira members are now left as Coach notes they are "going strong" and subsequently decides to drop.
-Sierra struggles then painfully drops down.
-Erinn tells Tyson to be careful or he will fall off to which Tyson replies: "Don’t boss me around lady" to which Erinn states: "I just don’t want you breaking your pretty little face" as Tyson states: "That’s true, it is my money maker" (Jeff and Debbie shown laughing)
-Tyson then goes on to win immunity and Joe stays behind
JT (conf) "It’s really scary right now having to trust people I just met. I just gotta remain strong in what I hope is a firm alliance. I really don’t have any other options, I have to trust Coach and Tyson right now and if I’m still here tomorrow I’m not worried about old Timbira anymore" (The game turned on its head with Joe leaving and no Tribal Council so these words should provide for interesting viewing)
Joe’s Goodbye
Medic is shown looking at Joe’s leg and giving him options which leave him no real choice in the matter
Scrambling at Forza
Debbie admires the necklace as Tyson gives Debbie a kiss "right on the lips" (for whatever it is worth, Debbie seems to instill the only affection that seems sincere from Tyson) Sierra giggles as Tyson gives Debbie the necklace to try.
Tyson (conf) "So yeah I kick a– like I always do and if any ladies want my phone number I guess uh, ask" (Again, Tyson’s edit (for even Tyson) has been turned up a notch in this episode which concerns me considering how the story is progressing)
Stephen (conf) "We immediately knew something was up with Joe because he hadn’t come back... (Erinn: "I hope he’s okay" Taj: "Oh yeah") We’re hoping we can take out Brendan tonight but honestly I’ve known these people for two days, they’re obviously crafty people, that’s why they’re out here so I don’t trust anyone but you got to go with your gut sometimes in this game and you gotta make that move sometimes in this game and I think this is one of them"
(The group discusses the challenge as JT then walks away with Stephen following)
Debbie or Erinn? "Are we gonna vote for Joe?"
Tyson "Should we vote for him or JT?" (Looking at Brendan)
Erinn "I say we vote for JT anyway; we can all beat Joe at whatever" (subtle move by Erinn to keep Joe in her pocket to which we hear "Yeah" by Tyson perhaps)
Tyson "Okay let’s vote for JT regardless"
(Tyson’s confessional)
Erinn? "I feel bad we’re all huddled over here talking and they’re all.." (Taj shown)
Brendan "That’s the way it is, right? I’m happy we’re in the bigger group and they’re in the smaller group" (Coach)
(More Tyson)
Tyson (conf) "Lying to everybody, especially Brendan and Sierra actually brings me pleasure. In my alliance now, Stephen and JT replaced Brendan and Sierra. I never liked Sierra ever; I have no clue why she’s out here other than to give hope to stupid people around the world" (More escalation for Tyson with no real basis for it as the two of them have never been shown truly interacting in a way to validate this)
and "And Brendan? He’s really the sneakiest bastard I have to worry about. We smile at each other, we hug, I’ve kissed him on the neck, softly.... but as the old adage goes keep your friend’s close and your enemies closer..." (Taj shown walking away)
Stephen "Here’s the thing, if I go with you, (stumbles over words) there’s two basic alliances right, I know I can get to the final four with Taj, Sierra and Brendan (did Stephen confide to JT about his other alliance? This would negate those "teasers" thrown to us in the past over whether they could trust each other - those "teasers" seemed very forced/inserted to me and I question the validity of them as it seemed more for television doubt than reality. We have seen this before with bonded pairs in order for the audience to wonder if the pair would turn on each other.) and I’ll go with you with Coach, Tyson and Debbie now if you promise me you’ll turn on them" (JT assures them as Tyson walks over on the pretense of - beans!)
Stephen "Is Debbie for sure"
Tyson "Debbie’s for sure, 100%"
Stephen "If it’s 5-5, we got to get Taj..."
Tyson "I will get Erinn to go to do this but she’s not in on this" (Tyson leaves)
Stephen "What a mess"
(They come back, the group makes small talk then all go about their business)
Brendan (conf) "There’s definitely a scenario where I could be in trouble... if Timbira sense something going on with Stephen, Taj and myself; they might say let’s get rid of Brendan now but so much of it’s gonna be on the fly; I’ll have the immunity idol in my pocket and I’m not afraid to play it tonight" (This confessional appears to be the same time frame as his earlier confessional discussing his alliance and how he feels it needs to "lay low" for now)
Taj "Brendan and Sierra haven’t tried to communicate yet"
Stephen "I know. Would you be willing to take out Brendan tonight?"
Taj "Tonight?" How?"
Stephen "I think we could like swing Coach. Coach and JT are seriously bonding right now..."
Taj "If you can pull it together, I’ll do it"
Stephen "I know how tight you guys are"
Taj "I mean we’re cool but we’ve been over here two days now and I haven’t had a chance to talk to him. I don’t feel secure. If we were even, it would probably be different but because he has all the numbers, it doesn’t feel good"
(Tyson comes over and tells Taj her teeth are also abnormally white as they "bond" over whitening)
Coach "I said when we merged my last hope was to talk to JT"
JT "You can trust me, I know I can trust you"
Coach "I know that"
JT "Y’all just keep reassuring me"
Coach "It’s perfect, while you guys went out and talked, while we were in that circle and I’m not telling any lies, they were going to vote you out"
JT "Okay"
Coach "And you’re the warrior and we’re together now...(they high five then hug)
Coach "Don’t burn me"
JT "I won’t man"
Coach "I just screwed my whole tribe"
JT (conf) "If I’m reading Coach right he’s telling me the truth; my life in this game is in his hands tonight but you know, this is a game for a million dollars" (and?? This confessional seemed abruptly cut off...)
JT "Coach said Sierra and Brendan are the only two who are going to vote me"
Stephen "That means..."
JT "Hopefully he won’t play his idol. If he does dude, I’m out"
Stephen "You’re not going out"
JT "I was thinking if uh, Brendan’s going to vote me"
Stephen "Damn. That’s because Joe is injured"
JT "If Brendan votes for me and Sierra votes for me, that’s two"
Stephen "We can split votes. This is awesome"
Stephen (conf) "If Brendan plays the idol then it doesn’t matter how many of us vote for him, one of the Jalapoa tribe, whoever he chooses, is going home and it sounds like Brendan is targeting JT which is disastrous for me so our solution is to split the votes. We have at least four or five solid votes for Brendan the rest of us vote for Sierra that way if Brendan does play the idol Sierra’s going home and Brendan can go home next"
(A snake)
Stephen "JT and I were talking about splitting the votes in case he uses his idol so four people, five people, vote for him and two or three vote for Sierra that way he can’t vote JT out no matter what"
Tyson "That’s true, that’s true, let’s do it"
Tyson "We need to split the vote now; we need four on Brendan, three on Sierra and then Brendan’s and Sierra’s can go anywhere and they don’t count for anything so whether an idol is played or not you know?"
Coach "I gotcha"
Coach "At Tribal tonight, if it goes the way I plan to it will actually shake the hell out of the foundations that were Timbira" (A brief scene showing Coach discussing the lack of fishing) "So what do you want to call me? The orchestrator for orchestrating a beautiful move at this point in the game cause it does two things, keeps my initial game plan intact and I don’t have to compromise by keeping weak people around and voting out one of the strongest (shot on JT) and most manipulative (moves to Brendan) and possibly the most deceitful players to date or do you want to call me the dragon slayer cause I’m cutting the head off the dragon; you guys call me whatever you want to because at this point in time, I feel brilliant!"
Tribal Council – Not!
Jeff is shown arriving in the midst of a storm as Taj applauds him for not using an umbrella. With Coach’s hand on Stephen’s shoulder, Jeff explains Joe won’t continue with Stephen: “What?” Jeff further explains with closeups on Sierra to Tyson A very melancholy change in the music occurred when Jeff explained Joe did not want to leave with Stephen very sad. Brendan to Taj is shown as Jeff continues to discuss Joe going to the hospital. Tyson then Erinn are shown as Jeff then continues to advise that the impact for them is no Tribal Council with a ringing noise and the camera honed in on Stephen then shifts to Brendan Jeff then states: “Good news, bad news” as the camera shifts to JT in the background. Coach is then shown as Jeff states: “Nobody getting voted out” Taj asks Jeff to tell Joe that they miss and love him.
Tyson (conf) “Brendan lives to see another day, I’m disappointed. The main thing about getting the plan to work was keeping everybody quiet long enough to vote him out so he didn’t use an idol if he had it. Now I don’t know how much is gonna leak or what’s going to happen but” (takes a deep breath)
JT (conf) “I can’t wait until the next Tribal Council moreso now because I have had some plans in order and someone on the old Timbira tribe bought themselves three days and they don’t even know it”
Coach “So no Tribal Council tonight, that sucks, you know it’s like we got a game plan and ready for action, the dragon slayer has to wait another day to taste blood” (With that Joe is shown leaving with his thoughts on the game)
Curiously, Erinn was not given a confessional which struck me as odd if one is of the mindset that she is at end game and/or winner. I know there has been mention by some (Michel I believe you stated this in your thoughts last week as I know you like to choose a winner; I tend to examine who may be at end game) that they believe Erinn is this season’s winner; while I am not of that mindset per se I do think she is integral to plot points, again though, I do find it a bit curious that someone who would be seriously affected by Joe’s evacuation was not edited to give her thoughts and concern in the matter. She counted on Joe’s partnership and I would suspect his leaving was upsetting. Naturally we all look at the show differently and the edits and this was one nugget that I found a bit peculiar on Erinn’s part
I enjoyed this episode tremendously and must say how I am enjoying this season as well. I really have not changed my interpretation especially with how I’ve seen JT and Stephen’s progression. Sierra was extremely low key this episode which ultimately may not bode well for end game (again I don’t know if final two or three) but I still feel she merits progression over some others. JT and Stephen’s friendship (forgive me for again repeating myself as I have said this on a couple of occasions) has been noted in some innocuous situations and I found it to be (hopefully) relevant at some point; now I feel very sure there is relevance and often times two individuals that share not just an alliance but a closeness do rather well together in reaching end game. They also both embody the long standing theme as well as words that have been spoken by Coach. Much of Coach’s statements are ridiculed in the editing but his words in the first episode I questioned if they may be important to the progression of this season and I still tend to believe that. At this time, Tyson’s edit has escalated even for Tyson and I’m concerned he will reap what he sows and soon regardless of the upcoming “war waged” by Brendan on Coach. Unfortunately, I do not feel Debbie merits anything other than the normal low key part of an alliance edit that may get far but not reach the brass ring and while Taj is still relevant I am somewhat concerned on the repeat of her words that she would give Stephen or JT the idol as she would not want them to leave prematurely and wonder if this is another plot point. Brendan is an interesting character, he is not a “dynamic” character and therefore his low key persona is all that one is going to get and logically speaking he is well equipped to be at end game (in fact this episode helped him greatly with his confidence being compromised by the events surrounding him) and there is a huge irony that the dragon could not be slayed by such a big character as Coach. He was immediately pegged by Coach in the first episode and has had some key insights in prior edits; my issue (much like Erinn’s path seemingly largely involving the demise of Coach and/or Tyson) is that I feel his edit is more focused on claiming victory of domain as opposed to the actual end game and some of his confessionals were questionable to me. I am wordy enough I won’t bother to note them. In fact, I should have just posted my end thoughts from each episode that I normally do instead of this novel as reading back, they pretty much summarize what I think right now. Again, however, viewing is subjective; what I may see someone else may see something entirely different as evidenced by those of you who believe in certain contestants’ at end game and believe me, I mull what you say time and time again.
(FP - thank you )

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04-11-09, 04:27 PM (EST)

89. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

*Curiously, Erinn was not given a confessional which struck me as odd if one is of the mindset that she is at end game and/or winner. I know there has been mention by some (Michel I believe you stated this in your thoughts last week as I know you like to choose a winner; I tend to examine who may be at end game) that they believe Erinn is this season’s winner; while I am not of that mindset per se I do think she is integral to plot points, again though, I do find it a bit curious that someone who would be seriously affected by Joe’s evacuation was not edited to give her thoughts and concern in the matter. She counted on Joe’s partnership and I would suspect his leaving was upsetting. Naturally we all look at the show differently and the edits and this was one nugget that I found a bit peculiar on Erinn’s part
I enjoyed this episode tremendously and must say how I am enjoying this season as well. I really have not changed my interpretation especially with how I’ve seen JT and Stephen’s progression. Sierra was extremely low key this episode which ultimately may not bode well for end game (again I don’t know if final two or three) but I still feel she merits progression over some others. JT and Stephen’s friendship (forgive me for again repeating myself as I have said this on a couple of occasions) has been noted in some innocuous situations and I found it to be (hopefully) relevant at some point; now I feel very sure there is relevance and often times two individuals that share not just an alliance but a closeness do rather well together in reaching end game. They also both embody the long standing theme as well as words that have been spoken by Coach. Much of Coach’s statements are ridiculed in the editing but his words in the first episode I questioned if they may be important to the progression of this season and I still tend to believe that. At this time, Tyson’s edit has escalated even for Tyson and I’m concerned he will reap what he sows and soon regardless of the upcoming “war waged” by Brendan on Coach. Unfortunately, I do not feel Debbie merits anything other than the normal low key part of an alliance edit that may get far but not reach the brass ring and while Taj is still relevant I am somewhat concerned on the repeat of her words that she would give Stephen or JT the idol as she would not want them to leave prematurely and wonder if this is another plot point. Brendan is an interesting character, he is not a “dynamic” character and therefore his low key persona is all that one is going to get and logically speaking he is well equipped to be at end game (in fact this episode helped him greatly with his confidence being compromised by the events surrounding him) and there is a huge irony that the dragon could not be slayed by such a big character as Coach. He was immediately pegged by Coach in the first episode and has had some key insights in prior edits; my issue (much like Erinn’s path seemingly largely involving the demise of Coach and/or Tyson) is that I feel his edit is more focused on claiming victory of domain as opposed to the actual end game and some of his confessionals were questionable to me.*
I agree with you about Erinn -- I see her as outlasting Coach (largely because she has no love for Coach and would be all too willing to turn on him), but I don't see her winning and I'm not sure she even makes the endgame. Although I see your -- and Michel's -- points about Sierra, I think her story is just idling for now. I think it'll ramp itself up in the next episode, when Brendan goes on the warpath.
Belle Book

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04-18-09, 06:20 PM (EST)

111. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

Belle, I was reading your post and I thought, this sounds familiar (then I saw you quoted me lol)
I do not see Erinn at end game either as my post stated but I do think she is integral (I won't dare repeat that huge amount of writing again) to a plot point. Insofar as the others, my LONG paragraph about each character left (including Brendan ) still stands and I do appreciate your response and thoughts this season as well as others who have been sharing.
With that long summation you courageously quoted that is my last post for this season. It will be fun to see how my speculation and others turn out
Enjoy.

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04-19-09, 11:07 AM (EST)

112. "Veruca!!!"

Veruca...I hope you will still add your thoughts throughout the rest of the season...this thread thrives on your spectacular observations and insights into the collective editing that is contained in each and every Survivor episode. You bring so much to the table, and you seem to catch things that alot of us miss. You are also able to seemingly remove your emotions that the show ekokes as well...don't know how you do it, but season after season I find it amazing. You are the rock that supports the foundation of this, your editing thread.

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04-19-09, 12:32 PM (EST)

113. "RE: Veruca!!!"

I felt the same when you said no more posts this season. What??? Nooooo ..
unless you are so busy IRL, but you are surely needed and wanted here.

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04-19-09, 06:43 PM (EST)

116. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

I second and third.
This thread is one of my last remaining Survivor guilty pleasures, Veruca. I so enjoy reading your insights.
I hope you will return at least at season's end to wrap up the thread.

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04-26-09, 06:59 AM (EST)

129. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

Say it ain't so VS
I hope you're able to add your thoughts, if not I've enjoyed your views immensely thanks for taking the time to help me learn that what you see isn't always what you get.

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04-11-09, 07:33 PM (EST)

91. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

As interesting as always Veruca, especially because we don't see things from the same perspective.
Regarding this:
"I do find it a bit curious that someone (Erinn) who would be seriously affected by Joe’s evacuation was not edited to give her thoughts and concern in the matter."
I know you don't really like that I try to pick the winner but it's just for fun anyway. I must admit that I may have jumped the gun last week but maybe not for the reason you stated. As I wrote below, I agree that the three who had their confessionals shown, Tyson, JT and Coach, are probably the ones that will be seriously affected by Joe's evacuation. That would mean that Erinn won't be affected by it. Why not dissassociate her from that failed alliance immediately? No, what I didn't like about Erinn's episode was that she didn't look very smart regarding the HII. We'll see how it turns out.

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04-16-09, 02:55 PM (EST)

100. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

Michel, again the beauty of any editing is that there are many perspectives. Some like to pick winners and I certainly don't "dislike" if you or anyone else does just as some like to base their thoughts on other viewpoints. As to your reasons on whom you select, they are your own reasons and they are valid through your perspective. I am sure my own thoughts on who makes end game may not be what you believe - again editing is subjective.

As always, enjoy the season.

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04-13-09, 05:19 PM (EST)

97. "RE: Episode 7 Editing"

Veruca, I can not believe I missed your post until now...great, great post, and I see that we share enthusiasm for this episode, as well as many other thoughts...and please, I really enjoy your every word...I want all of your thoughts, so keep posting!
I love how you note that there has been no negativity associated with the remaining Jalapao's as there has been with lesser tribes...I love that that may bode well. I do feel that Taj may be the one to suffer regarding her alliance with Stephen and JT, she may indeed pass the hidden II to save them, and thus take the fall herself...Clearly, something is going to give in that 4 way, cross-tribal alliance.
Interesting thoughts on Brendan. I really felt he had a great episode, but you make some great observations regarding him and his "low-key" nature.
Regarding Erinn, I do see all of the women taking a back seat to the alpha males at this point, so I see them lasting a bit. I do feel that she is Coach's nemesis within the Timbira tribe, and that when he goes, she will likely go thereafter. I think Tyson's episode signals a blindside in the very near future, as you have noted as well.
Thanks so much for posting, it's really enjoyable reading everyone's thoughts, and michel, I love that you love to make early predictions, it does make it fun!

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04-11-09, 05:41 PM (EST)

90. "Episode #7 Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 04-11-09 AT 06:16 PM (EST)
In the recap, Jeff said that “Coach and Brendan struggled for control of Timbira.”
We saw an old confessional from Coach where he said Timbira would be better if Brendan was voted out.
Jeff went on: “Tyson chose sides” (“Brendan’s trying to build relations with the other tribe. He’s got to go next”)
“Jalapao took a beating and they lost their third immunity in a row and Brendan was saved from Tyson and Coach.
At Jalapao… Taj reached out to JT. At tribal council, the three stuck together.
Down 4 members to Timbira’s 6, Jalapao became a desperate tribe.”
Jalapao
Night 18
We had a confessional from Taj: “At Tribal Council, Sydney was voted out… One of us had to go and I’m glad it’s not me.”
Joe: “I feel like the odd man out.”
JT and Taj commiserated about how they are just “Jala” that they lost “pao”.
Before that scene and right after it, we had a shot of a desperate Stephen, hunched over with his head down.
Timbira
Day 19
We see Coach doing his meditation complete with special effects of thunder and lightning and a chant that I think was from Carmina Burana:
O Fortuna
velut luna
statu variabilis,
semper crescis
aut decrescis;
(Oh! Fortune, like the moon, stands constantly changing, ever waxing or waning.)
Sharing our disbelief, Brendan asked if the others saw Coach out there.
Coach: in confessional: “Up till now, it’s been about the team. I’ve been trying to get along but the little annoying things, I’ve had to keep bottled in. I’m the kind of person that, if I see it, I want to say it, I want to nail it, get rid of it. I need to get centered, I need to pray, I need to meditate. I spent 10 minutes in the water to get refocused and it was like boom! Everything just clicked. This is about me now. We’re so close to a merge, it could be today, it could be three days, so I’ve been pacifying everybody and getting along with the tribe.”
We saw him giving massages to Debbie and Erinn who enjoyed it.
Erinn: “Coach has a new thing. He has his morning meditation, just hanging out in the water like this. If that’s the thing that’s turned you into mister nice guy around camp, you do it every day. I will take you down there, hold your hand, push you in the water, whatever needs to happen because I like new Coach.”

The images switching from Coach to Brendan gave the illusion that they were having a stare down contest, Brendan saying “You’re like a completely different guy now.”
Brendan: “My relationship with Coach, to me, has been good the whole time. There’s definitely been some things he’s done around camp which are kind of annoying… like he’s always doing his hair and we’ve been talking about it and it’s like “I started the samurai thing”. Started the samurai thing? Like, they’ve been doing it for thousands of years in Japan and Johnny Depp has been doing it for 20 years here. You didn’t start anything.”
Jalapao
Day 19
We saw Joe’s infected leg.
Taj: “It didn’t look good to me. He swears it’s getting better but I don’t know. With these two eyes, it doesn’t look good to me.”
A vulture hanging overhead told us it didn’t look good to those eyes either.
JT: “Joe has a bum leg, he’s down and out. If there is a merge, even if there’s not, Jalapao is down to 4 members and things are really not looking our way. There’s a lot at stake for all of us if we want a shot at this game. It’s going to be our biggest challenge yet.”
Tree mail sent both teams to the merge feast, JT saying: “I hate losing, I’m a sore loser but if it’s a merge, ball game’s on. That’s why I’m hoping it’s a challenge because I don’t know if I’m ready yet. I need to redeem myself.”
Arriving on site, we saw Coach greet JT.
Stephen:: “Our biggest hope was that today was the merge feast. Less the merge than the merge feast. Jalapao is freaking hungry.”
Coach proposed a toast and then he had a confessional: “It was like meeting a new girlfriend, there’s all kinds of things to explore. I just wish we could have decimated their tribe a little bit more. We had them on the ropes, they were going to go down and I think we could have won the rest of them. But it’s all good, we’re in control. I like JT, he’s a warrior. I look forward to getting to know him and Stephen who is obviously intelligent. I look forward to these individual immunity challenges, especially in the beginning when we have the big horses and the alpha-males. It’s going to be awesome.”
(Is the last sentence a hint that the alpha males won’t last much longer?)
Erinn said they needed a name so Stephen proposed Dingus which was shot down, thankfully. Coach proposed Forza which is Italian, not Portuguese as he claimed.
(A soccer coach would know from watching Mundials that it’s “Forza Italia”! Maybe he is an accountant!)
The name was accepted even if Debbie seemed reluctant.
That’s when Sierra stepped in: “I know it’s a touchy subject and if you don’t want to talk about it, it’s fine, but we were just shocked by the last two votes.” Brendan’s expression had “faux-pas” written all over it. The music editor stopped the music, everybody looked uncomfortable. She added: “So, did you guys not know who was going home or was it just off the cuff.”
Stephen intervened: “How do you guys make your decisions?”
In confessional, Stephen said: “I was sort of tip-toeing around Sierra because you do need to be discrete with how much information you give out. These are your future competitors so you can’t be giving away your entire tribe dynamic.”
JT had a confessional: “I was worried about the merge because, if you’re 4 to 6, traditionally, you’re just sitting ducks.” Debbie asked that he catch some fish for them. JT went on: “I’m really worried. I hope there is a power struggle within the old Timbira (Sierra, Coach and Brendan shown) and I can exploit that. Going 4 on 6, that’s not very good odds.”
Forza
Day 19
The merged tribe arrived at the Timbira camp site.
JT described the scene: “First of all, we see the little doghouse shelter and I’m like: What is this?”
Stephen was thinking about the game: “The Timbira people are definitely running the show. It’s intimidating to go into the merge down in numbers. They can take us off if they want to. We’re depending on their good graces. Even if we make allies with them, those allies are in a dominant position.”
JT and Coach went fishing and quickly became allies.
Coach: “I knew, the first time I looked at JT, I saw the cow-boy boots, open, honest face and I said to myself, he is a good old boy. We’re kindred spirits, we both love the outdoors; I think we are both warriors.”
JT: “It’s not 15 minutes and Coach is ready to talk about the game and it was perfect. I couldn’t wait to talk about the game.”
This exchange reminded me of Erinn’s wise words during Tribal of episode #2. “We don’t know these people.” Combined with Stephen’s warning about making allies that would be in a dominant position, this tells me this alliance won’t work.
JT told Coach: “Brendan thinks he’s in control of the game.” Asked who told him that, JT added: “Taj. I’m 95% sure he’s got the idol.”
Coach asked: “So, you swear to me that Taj doesn’t have the idol?”
JT lied: “I don’t know if she’s got it or not. If she does, then there are 2 idols.”
Coach said he would not lie in this game and asked that they be honest with each other.
JT shook his hand and said they had to blindside Brendan.
JT said: “I’ve seen cracks right away. It’s hard to keep 6 people from different walks of life to stick together when they hate each other. I’m here to make sure everybody hates each other.”
Coach had his own confessional: “I have a lot of emotions going around. I said that I thought Brendan was a little bit squirrelly but if you flat out lied to me, you better be prepared to go to war.”
Forza
Night 19
Coach told Tyson about his talks with JT.
Tyson said he liked the idea of the alliance and added Debbie to make 5.
Coach: “It’s time to go for the jugular. Brendan is the head of the dragon. If you want to defeat an army, you cut off the head of the dragon. For him to go off as the first person from the merge…Yeah! I love it. That’s awesome.”
Tyson and Stephen talked about getting rid of Brendan.
Stephen: (solo) “We definitely found inroads into Timbira. This is clearly a very fractured tribe because there is no strong bonds and sense of place. So, there is a lot of power shifts at play that make it easy to exploit.”
Tyson said the “The game is all in our hands” and Stephen smiled.
Forza
Day 20
Tyson and JT were out fishing, Tyson catching a little baby catfish that proved to be a dangerous one. The two agreed on getting rid of Brendan.
JT: “I expected not to like Tyson at all. We talked a lot of smack to each other, pushed each other around and now, you get on the same tribe and you’re competing for individual immunity, you’re still competing against the guy but you’re living with him. It’s a little different.”
Tyson: “I’d like to get rid of Brendan, he’s the biggest threat. He’s just a sneaky bastard. I can’t look him in the eye and believe a word he says. You can look in my sweet blue eyes all day and I’ll tell you sweet nothings and you’ll believe all of them.”
With most of the tribe off to collect firewood, Taj had a confessional: “After the 2 tribes merged, I was thinking we were probably safe, Stephen and myself, because of the secret alliance that we have with Brendan and Sierra but they haven’t made any signs or signals. That makes me think they are going to stick with their tribe right now.”
Taj told Stephen that she couldn’t tell if Brendan was still with them or not.
Brendan explained his point of view: “My Exile Alliance is still laying low which it needs to do because that alliance is only effective once the numbers get down to 7 or 8. So, right now, Joe needs to go, JT needs to go and then my alliance can take charge if need be.”
Tyson told Debbie about the new alliance of 5 to which Debbie said: “I like JT and Stephen both.”
Brendan joined them and they humored him about wanting Joe out.
Tyson: “I talked to Brendan and I wanted to make him feel like I was still on board with whatever plan he had. I feel proud that I am a better schemer than Brendan. He’s supposed to be this big-wig businessman who gets business rolling, makes tons of money. He’s like putty in my hand. I can mold this game however I want right now.”
Erinn and Joe got together; Erinn asking if he had found the idol.
Joe answered: “I found it but I have to get back to camp.”
Erinn laughed at his blunder and had a confessional: “Since I got back from Exile, I was able to figure out that there were most likely two idols. Joe and I decided we were going to work together and see if we could find both.” Arriving at Tree Mail, they saw that the Timbira idol wasn’t there. Erinn went on: “There was a very specific pocket where something should have been in the back of the post. There was nothing in there so we can assume that Brendan or Sierra has the idol, we vote them both out and then we can actually play the game for real.”
The Challenge
We saw Sierra smiling and then Brendan when Jeff said about the necklace, this is what you covet. Will immunity play a part in their future?
Later, Jeff noted that Joe’s knee looked bad.
Coach smiled when Brendan fell out of the challenge.
We heard Erinn saying: “Sierra, you’re awesome.”
When JT fell and they were down to 4, we heard Coach saying: “All from old Timbira”. Jeff asked if that meant Timbira was still going on strong. Coach said they were.
Will the F4 be all Timbira?
Erinn told Tyson: “Be careful not to fall off.”
Tyson answered: “Don’t boss me around, lady.”
To which, she replied: “I just don’t want you to break your pretty little face.”
Tyson liked that and so did Jeff!
Tyson won immunity and Joe stayed behind while JT commented: “It’s really scary right now. I have to trust people I just met. What I have to do is remain strong to what I hope is a firm alliance. I really don’t have any other options. I have to trust Coach and Tyson right now and, if I’m still here tomorrow, I don’t have to worry about old Timbira anymore.”
Forza
Day 20
After we heard the doctor tell Joe that he risked death, we saw Debbie rewarding Tyson with a kiss. He let her try on the necklace.
Tyson: “I kicked a$$ like I always do. If any ladies want my phone number, just ask.”
Stephen: “We immediately knew that something was up with Joe because he didn’t come back from the immunity challenge.” Erinn was heard saying “I hope Joe is OK.” Stephen added: “We’re hoping we can take out Brendan tonight but honestly, I’ve known these people for 2 days. They’re obviously crafty people; that’s why they are out here. So, I don’t trust anyone but you got to go with your gut sometimes, you have to make moves in this game and I think this is one of them for me.”
Everyone from old Timbira wound up alone under their umbrella. They discussed voting out Joe first but Tyson and Erinn turned the conversation towards JT because, as Erinn said: “I say we vote for JT cause we can all beat Joe at whatever.”
Tyson: “Lying to everybody, especially Brendan and Sierra, actually brings me pleasure. In my alliance, Stephen and JT have replaced Brendan and Sierra. I’ve never liked Sierra ever, I have no clue why she’s out here except to give hope to stupid people around the world. Brendan is the sneakiest bastard I have to worry about. We smile at each other, we hug I kissed him on the neck… but, as the old adage goes: Keep your friends close, your enemies closer, right?”
Stephen was struggling on the decision as he talked to JT: “Here’s the thing: If I go with you, there’s two basic alliances: I know I can get to the final 4 with Taj, Sierra and Brendan. I’ll go with you, Coach, Tyson and Debbie now if you promise me you will turn on them.”
JT promised just as Tyson came along. They asked him if Debbie was a sure vote. Tyson said she was so Stephen worried about a tie vote. Tyson said he would get Erinn for this.
Brendan: “There’s definitely a scenario where I could be in trouble. If my old Timbira group senses that there is something between Taj, Stephen and myself, they might say “Let’s get rid of Brendan now”. Who knows, so much of it will be on the fly. I’ll have the immunity idol in my pocket and I’m not afraid to play it tonight.”
Observing from the shelter, Taj told Stephen that Brendan and Sierra hadn’t tried to communicate. Stephen asked if she’d be willing to take out Brendan. She said that she’d go along if he could pull it.
At their fishing hole, Coach told JT: “I knew it when we merged; my last hope was to talk to JT.”
(Last hope? Why is Coach talking about last hope at this point when his tribe is up 6-4 and no one is targeting him? Could this be taken from later when things turn around against Coach?)
Coach added: “They were going to vote you and you’re the warrior and we’re together now. Don’t burn me because I just screwed my whole tribe.”
JT agreed and told us: “If I’m reading Coach right, he’s telling me the truth, a lot of this game is in his hands tonight. This is a game for a million dollars.”
JT told Stephen that Brendan and Sierra were going to vote against him. They arrived at the conclusion that they needed to split the votes so that Sierra would go home if Brendan played his idol.
Stephen “If Brendan plays his idol… one of the Jalapao is going home and it sounds like he is targeting JT which is disastrous for me. So, our solution is to split the votes. We have 4 or 5 votes on Brendan, the rest vote Sierra. If Brendan plays the idol, Sierra is going home and Brendan would be going next.”
Tyson liked the idea when Stephen explained it to him and he convinced Coach.
Coach: “At Tribal tonight, if it goes the way that I planned to, it will absolutely shake the hell out of the foundations that were Timbira.” Coach returned to camp saying that nothing was biting, adding: “I have no patience for sitting around holding a rod in my hand without anything working.” (Oh! Coach!!) The confessional went on: “Do you want to call me the orchestrator for orchestrating a beautiful move that does 2 things: 1- It keeps my original game plan intact, I don’t have to compromise and keep weak people around and 2- I get rid of one of the strongest, most manipulative and deceitful players to date. Or do you want to call me the Dragon Slayer? You can call me anything you want to because at this point in time I feel brilliant!”
That’s when Jeff walked into camp.
Taj asked Jeff to tell Joe that they loved him.
Tyson: “Brendan lives to see another day. I’m disappointed. The main thing about the plan working was keeping it quiet long enough to vote him out so that he didn’t use an idol. Now, I don’t know how much is going to leak or what is going to happen but…”
JT: “I can’t wait for the next tribal council even more so now because I had some plans in order and someone on Timbira bought himself 3 days now and they don’t even know it.”
Coach: “We have no Tribal Council tonight. That sucks because we got a game plan, I was ready for action. The Dragon Slayer has to wait another day to taste blood.”

The Story
If we follow the theme that Coach laid out about finding a worthy opponent, we clearly see two groups of people that fit into this theme:
- The ones that are worthy, namely JT the warrior, the intelligent Stephen and the partner in crime, Tyson.
- The ones that Coach see as unworthy, namely the sneaky Brendan, the cancer that is Erinn and the weak Sierra.
Determining which group contains the winner is up to interpretation. Will Coach be right, and the game goes to a deserving warrior or will he be forced to vote for someone he doesn’t feel deserving? I maintain that Coach cannot come out of this season with the feeling that he was proven right. Even in this episode when a “New Coach” emerged, we heard too many contradictions to believe he is anything but set-up for a fall and a bitter disappointment:
“This is about me now”
“Call me the orchestrator.”
“I feel brilliant.”
Also of note, Jeff called Jalapao a desperate tribe. Not the underdogs who will need to find a smart way out but a desperate one. Therefore, their move was one of desperation and it didn’t work which, from my point of view, means they missed their chance.
The Characters
As we have determined a long time ago, Debbie is only presented as a fun companion to have around. Images of her with the bottle of wine and kissing Tyson overshadowed her remarkable IC performance. If that challenge sucked as she said, I don’t imagine that she will find one more to her liking. There would have been more acclaim about her performance if the editors needed to sell her story to the viewers.
Taj: She didn’t prove to be the “best accomplice ever” that Brendan had imagined she would be. When she said Brendan didn’t talk to her that meant she didn’t talk to Brendan either. In her position we would expect her to make the moves, not follow those of others. Coach has yet to comment on Taj so we don’t know where she fits in that theme.
Coach: Letting us hear that he feels “brilliant” just as Jeff was on his way to camp was another way of saying “You’re forgetting something, Coach”. I was really intrigued by his words that he considered JT his last hope. As JT said, Coach had the game in his hands so why talk about last hope? Coach will soon find himself in need of hope and will want to rely on JT. What he doesn’t know is that his alliance with JT is based on a lie about Taj and her idol. Coach is standing over a precipice but he doesn’t know it yet because his head is in the clouds.
Coach’s Warriors
Stephen: From this group, the intelligent warrior has the strongest edit for possible winner. It’s not easy to be part of two alliances and keep both options viable. It’s not easy to get someone to give you an immunity idol. Admirably, Stephen has managed to do both without even trying. Everything just fell in his lap or, as he put it, he fell ass-backwards into it. His story, especially his friendship with JT has been beautifully crafted from the very first episode all the way to the merge. That means he would be seen as a very likeable winner but I still have reservations. Once more, very needlessly, we heard his hesitations about which way to go, even telling JT that he could go with an alliance that didn’t include JT. With so many options, Stephen should win but I think his edit has been tailored so that we see exactly where he missed his opportunity like Rob C, Ian and Rafe before him.
JT: The strong warrior was seen making an alliance with Coach just as Stephen had warned that it would still leave them in an inferior position. JT was heard saying he would trust Coach and Tyson even if he didn’t know them which is another warning we had heard previously. JT has been very closely associated to Coach so that should explain why he doesn’t win.
Tyson: He was finally shown doing more than just talking about getting rid of someone; he was actively putting votes together. The fact that it was all for not tells me he already missed his chance. Being given a confessional about how Joe’s evacuation hurt his chances tells me that he is close to the exit. That confessional set up his boot very nicely as I think it did for JT and Coach, the other two that spoke after Jeff left Forza. I wonder if those are the next three votes in order: Tyson, JT and then Coach? Coach did say that the alpha-males were there at the beginning of the merge, implying they couldn’t stay long. That boot order would certainly get rid of most of the alpha-males.

Coach’s Doghouse
Sierra: There wasn’t a lot to see from Sierra in this key episode. Worse was the fact that her question at the merge was presented as a big “faux-pas” and we heard that her shelter was really just a doghouse. I had taken it as a very good point in Sierra’s favor that we had never seen Timbira work on the shelter even if Insider clips revealed that Coach was continually fixing it. It meant that the editors wanted the viewers to think that she had done a remarkable job to redeem herself but, with one sentence, JT killed that impression. What’s left for Sierra? By ricochet, a lot of doubt was put on her shoulders but that seems hardly enough. She seemed oblivious to what was going on around her and we didn’t get a single confessional about what she thought. We heard that Sierra was awesome during the IC and she was the one on screen when Jeff mentioned the necklace. That’s not much for her chances.
Erinn: She served mainly to put doubt on Brendan’s future. Hearing her saying that she liked the “New Coach” was to make us think she could vote with him especially after we heard her say that she would vote out Brendan and Sierra for having the idol. She wasn’t portrayed as a very smart player when she said that she didn’t know where the idol was and it took Joe (Joe!) to show her the hiding place. Saying that she would start to “play for real” after the idols were removed isn’t very brilliant either. The only good things for Erinn were hearing her deflect the voting discussion away from Joe onto JT and Tyson needing her to make his move. She’s in the position she said she wanted to be: She made the merge and has some days to figure things out.
Brendan: He suddenly received a lot of doubts on his chances of surviving which, from an editing point of view, is great for his future. We heard him say that he could be in trouble, he was ready to use his idol and we even heard him say why he kept quiet about the Exile Alliance. That alliance was presented with too much care for it to simply fall by the wayside. The way the story was presented tells us that, not only Brendan will fight back (which we know from the previews) but that he will be successful. I mean, if Brendan was to be voted out in the next episode, what would be left to say? Just may as well call Jeff on the Jeff phone and get it over with!
Will Brendan win? Editing-wise, he is in prime position, all that had been missing from his story was a first impression during the opening sequence and some doubts about his chances. The recap may have served to repair the first omission while this episode took care of the second. Now, Brendan needs to get people to work for him and we have been told that’s what he does best.

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92. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

Wow, I thought this was a GREAT episode, and the plotters and schemers were coming out of the woodwork! Thanks, michel, your insights are always incredible and very much appreciated. It has been wonderful following yours and Veruca's take on everything after each episode, along with everyone in here. Last week, I thought everyone covered all the bases...time after time it just amazes me how the folks in here can decipher the editing clues to tell the story that is Survivor...I just love it!
Last time on Survivor: Coach and Brendan struggeld for control of Timbira...Coach noted If Brendan got voted off and I was the leader, I think this tribe woud be better. And, Tyson chose sides...(with Coach). At Jalapao Joe's knee was looking ugly, they lost the third IC challenge ina row. Taj reached out to JT, and Brendan was saved from Tyson and Coach. Taj said, I don't want you and Stephen to go out prematurely at Tribal Council, so it was Sydney. They are down 4 to 6, and Jalapao became a desparate tribe.
As we see a spider in the dark...at Jalapao, Taj noted that Sydney was voted out and 1 of them had to go, but she was glad it wasn't her. Joe feels like the odd mam out, he's nervous, it's not fun to see torch after torch snuffed, tough to see people you like going home. Cut to Stephen with his head down and in the dark...Then JT noted, Jalapao's down to 4, man! We are just Jala, we lost pao, we were on a winning streak, wow, how the tables turn...no telling what tomorrow holds in store. Taj noted that maybe their luck will change, as Stephen is seen shaking his head...
Cut to the Survivor music and the intro...
Day 19, Timbira: See the SUN with Coach dead center, dramatic Samarai music and thunder and lightening special effects as he practices his meditation and yoga moves...
Brendan notes, You see Coach out there? As they answer him, it's his morning meditation...
Confessional from Coach...Day 20, Up till now, it's been about the team, the little annoying things, I hold back. I meditate, 10 minutes getting refocused and BOOM, everything just clicked, this is about ME now. Cut to Coach giving backrubs to the tribe members, even Erinn. Then Coach continues, We are so close to a merge, I've been pacifying everybody and getting along with the tribe...
Erinn, in confessional, notes that Coach has a new thing, his morning meditation, just hanging out in the water, a little bit of this going on, every morning if that's the thing that's turned him into Mr. Nice Guy around camp, you do it. Every day. I will take you down there every morning, hold your hand, push you in the water....whatever needs to happen, because I like new Coach. I agree with michel, in that this is a little tidbit to make us think that perhaps things are on the mend between Erinn and Coach...I think misdirection...
Note the Samarai music playing all throughout Erinn's confessional...then there is an interesting chat between Coach and Brendan...Coach asks what will the day bring, and what are you smiling at? Brendan replies that Coach is like a totally different person now, and he responds that life is good. Then, Brendan has a confessional...My relationship with Coach has been good the whole time, he is annoying at times like when he smooths his hair, and he noted like I kinda started the whole samarai thing, Coach says....they've been doing it for 1000's of years in Japan, and Johnny Depp's been doing it for 20 years here. You didn't start anything.
Cut to pic of meditating Samarai Coach in the water.
The water is seen then the sun, then Joe and JT at the fire at Jalapao....Joe is checking out his leg, he thinks it's getting better. Taj voices concern, and the vulture doesn't think it looks good either...
Confessional JT: Joe's bummed up leg...he's down and out, Jalapao is down to 4 members. There's alot at stake for everyone of us if we want a shot in this game and this is definately the biggest challenge yet... I think that JT is one of the narrators from Jalapao, that continues to give the Jalapao's perspective post merge.
Then they cut to an alligator sapping it's jaws shut...Timbira tree mail and they ponder what it is, then Jalapao is shown and they say it could be a feast...
Confessional JT: I hate losing. I'm a sore loser, if it's a merge...ball game's on! I need to redeem myself. It's really fixin to hit the fan... (Have I mentioned that I love JT???)
The tribes are seen going to the tent, Coach fist bumps JT, and then there is the feast...Tyson says to JT, you've got a full voice, you do the honors. So JT reads, Congratulations tribes. You have merged! Pick a new tribe name, a new flag, and begin the net phase of your adventure. He goes on to note that they will live at the old Timbira camp and their reward items will all be there.
Confessional Stephen: Jalapao is freaking hungry...OUr biggest hope was this was the merge feast...
Coach calls for a toast, "to all of us for making it, trying our hardest and to making it, here, here!"
Coach confessioal: the merge, it's cool, it's like getting a new girlfriend, all kinds of things to explore, I wish we could have decimated them more, they were gonna go down. It's all good, cuz we're in control and will be the rest of the way.
JT jokes that he's a poor cattle farmer, and Stephen notes, and a rocket scientist, what do you do(to Coach). Coach goes on to note that he is a soccer coach and a Symphony Conductor, a maestro in California, 2 jobs...
Confessional Coach: I like JT, man! He's a warrier, and Stephen, he's intelligent, so I look forward to the IC's, especially now that we have all the big horses and alpha males together, it's gonna be awesome... And I think, yeah, you are right here, Coach...it will be awesome!
Erinn notes that the new tribe needs a name, Stephen's suggestion is shot down, and they go with Coach's Forza, Portugese for strength.
Sierra interjects, out of the blue but notes they don't have to answer if they do not want to, but they were shocked at the last two votes and how did they arrive at them?
Confessional Stephen: I was tiptoeing around Sierra. These are your future competitors, don't want to give too much information out, don't give away your entrie tribe dynamics...
Confessional JT: Traditionally, I was worried going into the merge. We're out numbered 4 to 6. I'm really worried about the numbers. I hope there's a power struggle in the old Timbira, I can exploit that. JT has a strategy...this is fore telling...
Then, we see them all come to camp, JT is aghast at the doghouse shelter, Brendan suggests they remove the roof and start from scratch...
Stephen confessional: Timbira people are running the show and we are dependent on their good graces.... Stephen is a narrator in addition to JT...
Debbie wants JT to catch them some fish...
Cut to Coach and JT going to fish...
Confessional Coach: I knew when I looked at JT, his cowboy boots, an open, honest face, he's a good ole boy, a warrier. We are kindred spirits, we both love the outdoors...
JT notes in confessional: It's not even 15 minutes and Coach is ready to talk about the game...
JT tells Coach, "From what I know, Brendan thinks he's in control of the game at the merge"...snake seen slithering...
Coach: "Who told you that?"
JT: "Taj, I'm 95 % sure he's got the idol"...
Coach: "You swear to me that Taj doesn't have it?"
JT: "I don't know if she's got it or not, if she does then there's 2 idols"....again, the snake is seen...
Coach: "It's crazy, I want to tell you a couple of things, when we talk from now on, let's keep it confidential, between you and I. I said to everybody at the beginning of this game, I will not lie one time in this game. Let's keep it honest between us, let's keep it real. " They shake on it...
JT: "I'll keep it real, Coach..."
Confessioal JT: I've seen cracks right away, I had some ideas, it's hard to keep 6 people from different walks of life to stick together when they hate each other. I'm here to make sure they hate each other...SMILES. JT's strategy seems to be paying off...he foretold us that he was going to look for the cracks and here he is happy to report that there are indeed cracks, and he's all over it!
JT continues the conversation with Coach planting the seed..."If Brendan's got the idol, we're gonna have to blindside him..."
Confessioal Coach: I have alot of emotions going on, I've said that Brendan's a little bit squirrelly. If you flat out lie to me, you better be prepared to go to war!...So, the plot thickens...Coach wants to declare war against Brendan...
Night 19. We see Tyson and Coach talking in the dark...Coach let's him know that he has talked to JT, and Brendan has the idol. He wants him to think about an alliance with Stephen and JT, Tyson confirms, me, you, JT, Steven, Debbie. Keep that five, we can take it!
Confessional Coach: We go for the jugular. Brendan is the head of the dragon. You want to defeat an army, you cut off the head of the dragon. For him to go out as the first person since the merge, YEAH! I love it, AWESOME!
Then we see Stephen and Tyson talking at night.
Tyson: "I was talking about getting rid of Brendan because I just didn't feel like he was being sincere with anybody. "
Stephen: "I think he underestimates basically everybody else."
Tyson: "He's told me he doesn't have the idol, which I don't believe and he's told me he wants to take me to the final, which I also don't believe. We're taking you and JT, Coach and myself, and Debb."
Confessional Stephen: We have found inroads into Timbira. Clearly, a very fractured tribe because there's no strong bonds ad sense of place, so there's alot of powers at play that are very easy to exploit... ...Stephen continues to narrate the Jalapao perspective...
Tyson confessional: Take our time and be quiet about it. If we do that, once we get Brendan out, the game is all in our hands. Laughs...
Forza, Day 20: See them awakening, then we see Tyson and JT fishing...
Confessional JT: I expected to not get along with Tyson, we talked alot of smack, pushed each other around, and now on the same tribe, competing against him, but living with him. It's a little different now... Apparently, JT is finding that he likes Tyson, and it's different than what he expected...
JT says to Tyson: "I am with y'all. Whatever you want to do. I'm with you!"
Confessional Tyson: I'd like to get rid of Brendan. He's the biggest threat. He's like a sneaky bastard. I can't look him in the eye and believe a word he says....you can look in my sweet blue eyes and I'll tell you sweet nothings and you'll believe all of them... SMILES...
Cut to Debbie and Tyson going to get firewood....we get...
Confessional Taj: after the merge I thought we were safe because of our cross tribal secret alliance with Brendan and Sierra, but there are no signs or signals. It makes me think that they are sticking with their tribe for now...
Then we see Taj and Stephen talking, "What do you think?" Taj notes, "I don't know"....
Cut to confessional of Brendan: My exile alliance is laying low, which is what it needs to do, because that alliance is only effective once the numbers get down to 7 or 8. Right now, Joe, then JT, needs to go. Then, my exile alliance can take charge if need be...snake seen...so, this is what Brendan thinks, but who is the snake that will thwart this plan?
Then we see Tyson telling Deb that it is now JT, Stephen, Coach, Tyson and Deb...she likes them...enter Brendan, where Tyson turns and asks Brendan if it's Joe? They agree...
Confessional Tyson: Let him think we were still on board with whatever plan he had. I do feel that I'm a better schemer than Brendan. He's supposed to be this big wig businessman who gets business' rolling, makes them tons of money. He's like putty in my hands. I can mold this game however I want right now.... WOW, I think this is an extremely pivotal confessional. It is so arrogant, and he blatantly states his supremecy over Brendan. This, to me, spells Tyson's demise...in fact with all of the huge confessionals that are so blatant I wouldn't be surprised if he were the very next boot...and we know how he loves blindsides...he has told us before...definately, Tyson will be blindsided big time and soon!...imo...
Then we have the scene with Joe and Erinn and she didn't find it, and they note that it's gone...She has a confessional about getting Brendan and Sierra out and then they can play the game for real...
Cut to the IC, I always love JT arriving with game face ON! Jiffy notes that "This is what you covet" as Sierra is seen. "A beautiful individual immunity necklace" as we see Brendan smile. "If you are wearing this, you cannot be voted out" as Taj, Coach, Sierra are seen. "If you don't have immunity, you are vulnerable" as Joe, JT, and Deb are shown.
Challenge ensues and they are out in this order: Stephen, Joe, Brendan, Taj, Erinn, JT, down to 4, all old Timbira, as Coach notes, then Coach, Sierra, Debra, and Tyson wins.
See a disappointed JT...and "one of you is going home tonight". JT, Brendan seen.
JT confessional: It's real scarry right now, I have to trust people I just met. I have to remain strong to what I think is a firm alliance, I have to trust Coach and Tyson right now...
Forza, Day 20:
Tyson confessional: I kicked #####, like I always do!
Stephen confessional: We knew something was up with Joe...when he didn't return....continues to narrate...
JT and Stephen walk off, leaving the others under the umbrella to talk...Taj is under the shelter...they discuss Joe, but Erinn says it would be better to get JT because Joe is easier, he's hurt...Brendan et al agree, Tyson seen agreeing.
Confessional Tyson: Lying to Brendan and Sierra gives me pleasure. JT and Stephen have replaced Brendan and Sierra. I never liked Sierra ever....and Brendan, he's the sneakiest bastard I have to worry about. We smile at each other, we hug, I've kissed the nape of his neck softly, he's felt my warm steamy breathe on the nape of his neck, but, keep your friends close and your enemies closer...
Then we cut to Stephen and JT talking...Stephen notes, "I know I can get to the final 4 with Brendan and Sierra, but I'll go with you, Coach, Tyson, and Debbie IF you promise me you'll turn on them later....JT replies adamantly, "I will!"
I thought this was a great little scene as well...with all of the bonding that JT has done with Coach and Tyson, we hear him tell his real confidante that he will indeed turn on them...is he leading Stephen down the garden path, or is this his true intentions...
Then Tyson comes and interupts them, lucky that he didn't overhear them!
Brendan confessional: There's definately a scenario where I could be in trouble tonight. But, I'll have the II in my pocket, and it's all on the fly. If I feel I'm in trouble, I'm not afraid to play it tonight! This is a big confessional as well, from Brendan. He's telling us that he is aware that the tides could indeed turn on him, but he has a plan and he's ready to play the idol, if he senses he needs to....I totally agree with michel. Things are looking way up for Brendan at this point, anyway...people are aiming for him, but he has a plan and is not afraid to carry it out...I am left to ponder, if Brendan will most likely survive all of this immediate scheming, then who will fall victim???
Cut to Stephen and Taj conspiring. Stephen asks her, "would you be willing to take out Brendan tonight?" Taj notes that "If you could pull it together, I'll do it!"
Cut to Coach and JT fishing...
Coach: "I knew it when we merged, my last hope is to talk to JT." Definately, this is an odd statement, why would JT be his last hope at this point, where there is no imminent plot to take out Coach...but, it does seem to fit in the segment. It's raining, and the rest of the conversation fits with this episode...I am left to wonder? Coach continues, "JT, you can trust me, and I know I can trust you...You guys left and we were in that circle, and I am not telling any lies, they were gonna vote you. And, you're a warrier, and we're together now."
JT: "That's what I'm talking about!" They high five each other and hug as we hear JT state, "thanks, Coach". Coach replies, "now don't burn me...I just screwed my whole tribe!", JT says he won't.
JT confessional: If i'm reading coach right, he's telling me the truth, but my life is in his hands, but you know, this is a game for a million dollars...
JT then goes to Stephen, "they are voting me tonight, Coach just said. Sierra and Brendan are voting for me!"
Stephen: "What?"
JT: "Hopefully he won't play his idol...if he does, I'm out!"
Stephen in confessional: We can split votes...if Brendan plays the idol, and it sounds like Brendan is targeting JT, which is disaterous for me...
Stephen wants to split the votes...Tyson says, let's do it. Coach in confessional says, if it goes the way I planned it, old Timbira will want to call me the orchestrator...at this point in time I feel brilliant!
Cut to Jiffy's arrival, and no TC, Joe is medevaced...Taj says they love him...closing disappointment confessionals ensue from Tyson, JT, and Coach...
Wow, I'll restate that, Wow! This episode really has the alphas scrambling...Coach was right about that! This episode really was dominated by the strong males and how they fit in, and what they plan to do...look at the confessional numbers for the episode:
JT: 9
Coach: 8
Tyson: 6
Stephen: 6
Brendan: 3
Taj: 2
Erinn: 2
Joe: Nothing but commenting on his injury and exit...
Sierra: none
Debbie: none
With Joe taken out of the game, the most logical target was JT, so we were shown the episode from his eyes. I thought he was also the primary narrator, along with Stephen, that presented the Jalapao perspective. Coach was also front and center with his declaration of war against Brendan. Tyson, WOW, he really had a confessional spike to me, but more importantly it's the content of his confessionals. Brendan had 3 significant confessionals. They gave us his opinion of Coach, the observation that his exile alliance is laying low and he likes it that way, and finally that he's aware he could turn into the target and he has a plan, the II, and is not afraid to use it tonight....
I feel with all of the scheming and plotting and gloating about booting Brendan, specifically the first boot post merge, that it will NOT happen. Brendan will be safe...for now. If he is safe, then, who will be the first boot post merge? Well, the preview promo for the next episode spells it out that Brendan will target Coach, but will it be Coach? I don't think so....will it be JT, no, we know that he makes it to at least F8 from the previews we saw at the recrap. I think with the big confessional spike that Tyson had, along with the gloating over his supremecy over Brendan, and the fact that I know how he loves blindsides and he thinks that he can mold this game however he wants to, that Tyson may very well be our first boot post merge.
Clearly, JT is the biggest challenge threat from the Jalapao's, and as a narrator at this point, I am skeptical that he will make the end game...I would love to be wrong about this, however! Stephen, another narrator, has been closely associated with JT, and as Stephen said, it would be "disatrous" for him, should JT get the boot.
Interesting how the girls took a back seat in this episode in deference to all the males...I think the likely end game players at this point could indeed be Sierra, Erinn, Debbie(they are left solely by not being threatening and providing a vote), I am beginning to think that Brendan may have a shot at end game as well...michel noting how his stock did indeed go up with this episode! I still can't dismiss the 4-way, cross tribal alliance, however...someone is going to betray...at least that's what I think! I am really enjoying this season and the characters!

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04-13-09, 10:51 AM (EST)

93. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

I always love to read your perspective FP. Brilliant!
It's funny how we all saw the same thing but it was only in reading your version that I realized a couple of things:
Stephen always talked about "WE", where JT talked about "I".
It makes me think that, if JT falls, it will indeed be disastrous for Stephen. Or JT would prevail over Stephen in the end if they make it. I had always seen Stephen as being an "hesitant Yul" to JT's "not quite Ozzy" but maybe it could turn around this time.
I repeat: If they make it! I still see Coach forced to vote for someone he doesn't approve as Survivor. Brendan looked like the call this week because I didn't like Erinn's episode but that's the other thing you made me realize when you wrote:
"Jiffy notes that "This is what you covet" as Sierra is seen. "A beautiful individual immunity necklace" as we see Brendan smile. "If you are wearing this, you cannot be voted out" as Taj, Coach, Sierra are seen. "If you don't have immunity, you are vulnerable" as Joe, JT, and Deb are shown." combined with our thoughts of an all female Final 3.
In my thoughts, I just noted that immunity could be important to Sierra and Brendan in the future but what if Sierra, Erinn and Debbie are the final 3? We may have been shown how it ends: Erinn, on the bench, already told Sierra that she is awesome, the camera already pointed to Sierra as the one to get the coveted necklace, Debbie is among the vulnerable ones and Tyson already told us that Sierra is not liked which will frutrate her again. Erinn winning is still a longshot but there's always something that keeps her alive in my thoughts. Stubborness or insight? Maybe I can make the former appear to be the latter!

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04-13-09, 03:57 PM (EST)

94. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

*In my thoughts, I just noted that immunity could be important to Sierra and Brendan in the future but what if Sierra, Erinn and Debbie are the final 3? We may have been shown how it ends: Erinn, on the bench, already told Sierra that she is awesome, the camera already pointed to Sierra as the one to get the coveted necklace, Debbie is among the vulnerable ones and Tyson already told us that Sierra is not liked which will frutrate her again. Erinn winning is still a longshot but there's always something that keeps her alive in my thoughts. Stubborness or insight? Maybe I can make the former appear to be the latter!*
I think it's more stubbornness than insight and that you're making stubbornness appear to be insight, but then again I'm just about as stubborn with my favorites as you are -- I'm thinking Sierra is more likely to win than Erinn.
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04-13-09, 04:18 PM (EST)

95. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

"Erinn, on the bench, already told Sierra that she is awesome, the camera already pointed to Sierra as the one to get the coveted necklace,..."
I like this insight. Isn't Sierra the one, of all the Survivors, who made the worst first impression? She was to be the first voted out. It would be sweet irony if she took the whole thing. Oh, and how CoCo-Ach would hate that. Such a lame duck. His alpha male American Indian Samarai warrior as one with all of Nature persona couldn't take it. What a laugh that would be.

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04-13-09, 04:35 PM (EST)

96. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

Well, I could certainly say the same about your posts, michel...indeed everyone is brilliant in here, and you are right, it's amazing when reading other people's posts what insights are revealed...it's what Veruca always loves about the editing, in that everyone has a very valid opinion and indeed it does expose what they see, to all the rest of us!
I thought that you and I saw alot of the same things. I agree, at this point, I am liking JT more and more, yet, as Ozzy did, he has almost insurmountable odds against him. Interesting to note what Jiffy has to say about him in his blog....regarding how when JT speaks, everybody seems to listen, and then he adds, "People who get other people to listen to them do very well in this game." Gives me a bit of hope for the good ole 'Bama boy...we'll see.
As far as Debbie, Erinn, and Sierra were concerned, I think their end game prospects are alive and well...Sierra only opened her mouth to expose the elephant in the room, but I love the non-verbal editing in this show, as you noted...I also like what LFJ noted, that we are indeed seeing other people talk and plot against Brendan, but ALSO about Sierra. We all know it's a good thing when the others are talking about you...So, now both Coach and Tyson have had something to say regarding Sierra...

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04-16-09, 02:09 PM (EST)

99. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

>What a laugh that would be.
I can't wait for this! With recent winners Bob & Parvati being pretty well camoflaged until near the end, I have high hopes for both Sierra & Erinn. For some reason, not too excited for it to be Debbie tho.

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04-13-09, 06:17 PM (EST)

98. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

Yeah, I definitely can see the way it's shaping up in the editing. It's no coincidence, in my mind, that they highlighted:
a) Brendan mentioning that he wouldn't be afraid to use his idol if need be, combined with
b) a HUGE emphasis on this plan to blindside Brendan, capped by Tyson being crestfallen and commenting that it's all fallen to pieces, since the key was just to keep people quiet for a short time.
This, from an editing perspective, manipulates the viewer in the inevitable 'what if' scenario into thinking that Brendan was a smart player and aware that there was a threat, whereas in reality he probably would have been voted out had there been a vote. This narrative of 'Brendan's narrow escape' and 'Tyson's big plan comes to naught' sets up Tyson's downfall, almost certainly. I've been stubbornly hoping for weeks that his edit wasn't clear one way or the other, but that's just because I wanted him to win. He's a goner, I fear.

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101. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

hi all, I haven't been posting here because I haven't been able to keep up with everyone's wonderful insights, and I don't like to post unless I can ...
I am so impressed with all the subtle things you guys notice. I have nothing like that to offer. All I have is a cumulative impression of these edits and the story.
First off, to get my bias out on the table, Brendan is my favorite, and then Stephen. I like intelligent players. I was prejudiced against the millionaire before the game began, but I immediately liked him. Therefore I doubt he'll win! I really liked Marcus last season, and he was just too good not to be taken down ASAP.
I fear the same is true of Brendan. He is too good an all around player. Good with people, strong, athletic, smart, hard not to vote for at the end, and on top of that, we have consistently been shown that people don't trust him even though they feel his charm. That doesn't bode well for him pulling a steady alliance together that lasts until the end. Without that, he would need to be an immunity hog like Terry to win. So ... I think I shouldn't be attached to him sticking around.
Ditto for Tyson. I'd like to see him stick around but he's too much of a target.
Now for those who I don't think have any shot at winning due to their personalities, or lack thereof, and lack of game, from the way they are edited:
I see nothing in Debbie, Erinn, or Sierra. The first a typical follower.
Erinn, not successful in making ANY allies to date, we have not seen her playing the game other than to stick around and make merge.
Sierra, I know some argue that we should be impressed with her overcoming the first impressions challenge, and that would be a good redemption storyline, but I don't see her as a main character. She is not getting much focus. She is not shown to have a strategy. I think the winner will be shown having a strategy this season. I know Bob didn't have one until nearly the end, but that was an odd season.
Coach, is just too obnoxious, and he wouldn't get the votes unless it were a Final 1. As there will be another name option to write down, Coach will not win. However I think a lot has been invested in the Coach character for the long term, and I would be surprised to see him go early in the jury.
This leaves the former Jalapao. I think the winner will come from that tribe. They were consistently the nice tribe, who became underdogs. Now they have to play hard to take the game a different direction than simple Pagonging. There we have the story for a good winner.
Taj, however, is shown making a LOT of blunders, starting with confessing to being an NFL wife. Then she let Stephen have the idol. She doesn't handle her communications with others in the best way, of thinking through all the repercussions before she opens her mouth. She is likable, but she doesn't shine for me like Stephen and JT.
To me, Stephen and JT have the whole package. First they were highlighted strongly as the game began. Their unlikely friendship has provided a human element to their story. At the same time we haven't seen the dread "F2 alliance" with them that never seems to materialize when it is shown.
In fact, we are shown them each playing for themselves. I feel like I've seen their thoughts about strategy all along. Neither of them has been shown as too cocky, although JT has had plenty of confidence. Unlike Coach, Brendan, and Tyson, he hasn't shown such extreme confidence that I feel he's been set up to fall. He has not been arrogant (which was shown as the downfall of Marcus last season).
Lastly, the editing has been making JT and Stephen very sympathetic. I think we are invested in them making it through. I don't feel that with Sierra or Erinn. Both have been shown having a defiant attitude. While it's great in the real world to see young women who won't let themselves be pushed around or demeaned without speaking up, a person who is playing to win needs to be more careful and deliberate in crafting a game persona, which they have not.
Stephen and JT have. Look at how they managed to get embraced by the enemy at the merge. How does someone who shone in the challenges like JT did manage to come off as humble and a good asset? Not easy to do.
If these two do make it to the end, not sure who is getting the winner edit. I would like to think Stephen, because he's got the "not a natural for Survivor, city boy, too intelligent, geeky" thing to overcome. He would also be unexpected in that his edit has been quieter, as his strategy has been shown always, but he's not the focus of the story except for when he was exiled and found the idol, which is necessary.
JT is the alpha character, and Stephen is beta. I think Stephen has Rob C qualities without getting himself disliked, so far, for being devious. He IS devious, but no one has figured that out, including JT, so I like that about him a lot.
However, JT has a very strong edit and I can't help but feel he could charm a jury the better of the two.
I know it's jumping the gun to look at an end game right now, but I just see Debbie, Sierra, Erinn as minor characters. Coach, Brendan, Tyson are too confident. Taj is a bit of a bumbler who let everyone know she is rich. Everyone knows Brendan is successful too, which I think was a big mistake on his part as they KNOW he can get people to do what he wants.
So for me that leaves the two who are underestimated as strategists but shown to be playing very thoughtfully and to be at great risk due to the numbers game at merge, such that we will cheer for them squeaking through.
Also I have felt from Episode 1 that this was going to be a male winner season, as the female characters were not presented as strong players and the men were.

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102. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

Boy, do I wish I'd said that ...
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103. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

and I wish I'd posted Signs of Survival!
well, how things change in one episode!
Stephen got a huge bump with his exile stint, and he and JT mad a huge move.
I said they hadn't been shown as arrogant and cocky, well tonight they were, although with some right to feel that way.
I like Stephen less now because he off Brendan ... waaah.
This episode was edited very strangely at the end. I look forward to reading comments. I could barely understand what JT and Stephen were saying, but at least they were shown. Taj's decision to go against Brendan wasn't ...
I think Stephen went against Brendan because he didn't like the idea of B taking JT to the end. He already worried about how to win in the alliance of four, and now he saw himself 5th ...
I think Stephen may have been the power player tonight.

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106. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

nice insight OFG...I hadn't thought of Stephen manuevering for Brendan bc of the JT love...Stephen is def Rob C Rafe like player...I just hope he actually wins it...

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104. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 04-17-09 AT 09:44 AM (EST)
Wow, OFG, I really enjoyed your thoughts, and I think I agree with you, 100%. When I say the girls are likely to be around to end game, I mean that because there are so many of the stronger male threats around, like Courtney from Africa, they can make it to the end.
Clearly, I still believe that Tyson, especially, is not long for this game. His arrogance is over the top, and yes, I do think he will be blindsided, as will most likely, Coach.
I really love JT, while I am not so fond of Stephen. But Stephen has shown great progression through this game. JT is working wonders over his tribemates, and that is encouraging. As I have said, the odds of him making it are less, imo, as he seems to be the challenge threat, as Ozzy was....
ETA: Regarding the conversation that JT and Stephen had...JT confided to Stephen that they had bonded and that now Brendan wants to take me to the Finals...Stephen noted, that this could be our only opportunity to get him out... I think their decision had been made prior to that. It was made, imo, when Stephen went to Taj and talked her into taking out Brendan. JT and Stephen knew that Brendan was extremely dangerous and would be very very hard to get out, as he had the idol, so they needed to blindside him. They did it, totally blindsided him. I think it was edited to look like they might go with Brendan and not Coach/Tyson...
I wonder who really is calling the shots in that couple...I get the feeling JT is, but are they editing Stephen to be moreso? We'll have to observe these two quite carefully...Regardless, it does seem as though JT and Stephen are a very capable couple and I would say that their stock is going up and up.

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105. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

it struck me last night that Stephens success with making fire on Exile whatever-it-is was a defining moment. He said that for him it felt like that was the reward. Reminded me of Earl on the mountain top & Bob on his walking safari.

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107. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

I felt that too. I had just posted before the show about Stephen's possible winner edit, and how it was subtle, then this scene comes on, and I felt WOW, so much focus on an Exile with no idol, this is a big moment.
They did some similar moments with Sugar on Exile last season. She did not win, but made it to the end. I think this scene puts Stephen's stock very high, although I think right now that JT would have the votes. But we'll see, if Stephen plays the Rafe second fiddle part, whether JT is as popular later after he's blindsided some more allies.
That scene could have been a parting shot for Stephen's journey, but I see no reason why Stephen would be booted right now.

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108. "RE: Episode #7 Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 04-18-09 AT 00:56 AM (EST)
That scene could have been a parting shot for Stephen's journey, but I see no reason why Stephen would be booted right now.
That scene - coupled with the reaction shot of J.T. when Stephen told the Tribal Council that he 'was glad that J.T. had the bigger target on his back and that he (Stephen) hoped he would be able to stay long enough to get to know more people better' - bothered me too.
J.T., I think, tends to be more comfortable in broader alliances than does Stephen. But Stephen's instinctive strategy of forming one-on-one relationships that he is able to manipulate at will is a much more versatile one that may be the more successful of the two ... in Tocantins. If J.T. lets him get away with it.
Because I love comparisons ...
I think of Stephen and J.T. as a slightly more sly (but not as frenetic) Todd and a slightly more parental (but not as inarticulate) Amanda.
ETA: That would, of course, make Taj ... Denise. With a slightly better day job and a lot more sass ...
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114. "Episode #8: Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 04-19-09 AT 01:56 PM (EST)
I switched the title of this post because there's enough confusion with episode numbers.
Poor Spanky did an extra summary.
I always like your thoughts OFG. Maybe if you had been here earlier you would have guided me in another direction but I'm still not convinced. Here's what I saw:
In the recap, Jeff reminded us that old Jalapao came in with only 4 members, we saw Coach saying they were in control and Jeff added that JT became the target.
Some Timbira members made new friends and new plans.
Feeling safe, Brendan ignored his Exile alliance leaving Taj open to new ideas. We hear Stephen proposing voting out Brendan.
Everyone’s plans were cut short when Joe was evacuated.

Forza
Night 21: Showing Off:
Coach had the first confessional: “That sucked. Joe left camp today and there was this funk that permeated the camp… I decided I wanted to share a piece of my life with them, to show them that, no matter how bad it gets in your life, there’s always something that’s going to make it much worse.”
(Coach isn’t a motivational speaker!)
He started telling one of his incredible stories that ended by saying: “I just can’t describe the feeling of being stalked by another human being.”
People were looking at him in disbelief.
The percussions and the tribal chants in the background added to the surreal feeling.
Debbie in confessional: “You want to say Coach, let’s have a reality check here but no one said a word, it was silent. Everyone was looking around saying Woh!”
Brendan was shown dozing off but then asked: “How much does it cost to get a military helicopter to drop you in?” (That’s the part he didn’t believe?)
Brendan: “Honestly, either Coach is the second coming of Jacques Cousteau or he’s the biggest fraud that is in this game. I don’t believe this guy anymore and, if I can’t believe his stories, how can I believe what he’s saying to my face?”
Forza
Day 22: Pride
Coach was meditating again while Brendan watched and said: “Don’t bother him and he won’t bother you.”
JT “Brendan is targeting me for the next Tribal Council but I am in a power alliance. The alliance is Coach, myself, Tyson, Stephen and Debbie so Brendan is going home.”
Coach explained where his martial arts came from and Sierra said: “Coach, you looked hilarious.”
Coach didn’t like that: “I feel like I’m in control of this game. I have the power alliance, commanding my officers (Debbie, Tyson, JT and Stephen shown) running the show like I was born to do. If you look at it, to defeat an army, you have to cut off the head of the dragon which is why I nicknamed Brendan, the Dragon, hence, my name of Dragon Slayer. Where does Sierra fit in all this? With the comments that she made today, Sierra is the bowel movements that come out of the Dragon. After Brendan, Sierra’s got to go.”
Back to Reality:
We see a fishing pole by the lake and expect JT and either Coach or Tyson but JT is with a new partner, Erinn, who asked him: “Worried about Joe?”
JT said he knew he’d be fine.
Erinn added: “You two were such good friends. I was so happy to have met him. It was nice to know that Joe was going to be here and I’d have someone to talk to and, for that not to happen, I was just bummed. And I just liked him, he was a cool guy.”
JT agreed, adding that Stephen also was awesome.
Erinn said: “I like him. I like all you guys. I really like your tribe better than I like my own.”
JT asked: “Are you aligned with anyone here?”
She answered: “Aligned? Not so much. I kinda stayed pretty neutral but regardless of who I’m talking to, the only alliance I had in this game was Joe.”
Erinn: “When you break it down, you’ve got my original tribe, where we knew I was the first one out, then you have these new kids who are down in numbers and really need a fourth. But, no matter how the dice roll, I’ve got some room to play around. It’s really nice.”
JT “Erinn’s vote would be huge because I lost Joe and he was a huge solid vote but now, Taj, Stephen, myself and Erinn could easily turn the game around. It’s good to know that, if I need her, I can call on her.”
Note that it could have been easy to make Erinn look dumb because JT has the power alliance and isn’t down in numbers. Yet, even if the whole scene was not necessary to the episode’s story, we heard how huge Erinn could figure in JT’s plans.
The Challenge
The first thing to note was how the reward was meant for Coach, how much we saw him salivating at the thought, clapping his hands at the description and how disappointed he ended up.
Tyson had a confessional during the challenge: “Coach likes to have the attention. All the great stuff that he’s done; sounds almost too good to be true.”
When the other teams went after Black, it was JT, not Brendan or Debbie, that we heard complaining. Especially interesting was his comment: “Stephen, don’t do anything crazy.”
Taj was shown waffling between which team to target just as she is shown waffling between different allies.
Repeatedly, Jeff said that Sierra and Stephen were just short.
Debbie said they would send Stephen to Exile Island. Coach encouraged him to “be the Wizard.”
At the end, Tyson had another confessional: “I expect Brendan will try to scheme. I’m not really worried; Brendan being gone with JT and Debbie, those are two of our strongest allies. It worked out very well. I just hope the extra food Brendan gets will not hurt our chances to win immunity.”
Exile Island
Stephen had a great showing on Exile Island, one that connected to his previous shortcomings. This was a very important part of his journey. It had all the ingredients of the winner’s story except maybe some game insights.
“This is my first Exile out here alone…I know there’s no new idol in the game… I haven’t made fire yet at camp. I tried a few times and failed. I was so embarrassed, I hadn’t tried again. I knew that, forcing myself to come out here, either I would make fire, make food or I would die. It looked like I might die. I was trying for about an hour…and nothing. Finally, as darkness was starting to close around me, I got a spark, it caught and the whole thing took. I was like giving birth to my first child. I felt so proud of that little fire that I wanted to stay out here and tend to it for the rest of my life… Being out here and making it is like winning my own reward.”
The Reward:
JT was the main narrator: “…We had a blast… That’s something I always wanted to do. I felt just like a little kid.”
Brendan talked more about JT: “The pure joy that was on JT’s face… what a great soul. So sincere, so real. All the qualities you want in the people that surround you.”
JT “We came up to a sand bar and I knew it was our picnic. I had a really good day. I was a whole lot better than I pictured. I figured that Brendan and I, being together, it would be a dull trip, but there wasn’t a dull moment at all.”
With Debbie back in the water, it was time to talk strategy. JT lied to Brendan about not being approached by other Timbira members so Brendan said he had ideas about making the game more fun. JT was all for it.
Brendan “I always define winning in my life as saying I want to be number 1 but if I take JT in the finals with me, he’s going to beat me. I know it’s crazy but, for me, winning in this game is about getting to an outcome at the end of the game which is going to satisfy me. If he wins it, that’s like me winning this game. How do I get him to the finals? I don’t know; it’s the next step that I have to wrap my head around.”
Forza
Day 24
Brendan’s confessional went on: “I stayed up all night. I sat in that shelter and did not sleep thinking: How do I get JT to the finals? At a certain point, all the pieces just fell and you could see the puzzle and how it goes together.”
He went to talk to Sierra who was “extremely confused.”
Brendan explained that he wanted to keep JT. Sierra agreed that he was one of the most amazing people she had met.
Brendan explained that they should take out Coach, Tyson and Erinn.
Sierra: “This morning, Brendan said this is what’s going on: I really like JT, I think JT deserves to be here. I feel the same way: I really respect JT. So, we are going to try to get Coach and Tyson.”
She told Brendan: “It would absolutely break my heart to send JT home.”
Brendan said he knew what to do and he went off to talk with Taj, asking her if she was ready to change the game.
Taj: “I can’t describe Timbira. I really want to know what that word stands for because it could mean confused. Coach and Tyson want to blindside Brendan and Brendan is trying to vote out Coach or Tyson. We haven’t really had to put any plans into action yet because they are so busy trying to get rid of their own tribe members right now so we’re like: OK, do what you gotta do and we’ll come in later.”
The Immunity Challenge
Stephen returned to say he had a good time on Exile.
Taj, Stephen and Coach were shown stuck on the first obstacle.
We saw Sierra doing well but, in the end, Tyson, JT and Brendan made it to the final rounds.
As advertised, Tyson got to wear the gaudy Immunity necklace once more.
We saw Coach smiling at Brendan’s frustration and then he had another arrogant confessional: “Tyson saved the day, insuring that Brendan will go home tonight. In case he plays the immunity idol, we are going to split the votes, 4 for Brendan, 3 for Sierra. Brendan is the Dragon, I am the Dragon Slayer. This is going to be the biggest power move to date of this game, no question about it.”
Brendan: “Tyson won immunity, we can’t vote Tyson so I decided on Coach. It will be nice to have him out of here, I think.”
Forza
Day 24: Arrogance
Coach, Stephen and JT congratulated Tyson and then the questions turned to Stephen’s experience. He said it was one of the biggest moments of his life.
Coach was impressed and said: “The Wizard is coming into The Man of the Mountain.”
Tyson gave out the voting assignments, telling who would vote Brendan and who would write Sierra’s name.
Tyson: “I started this plan days ago but, by default, we didn’t even go to tribal council…If Brendan gets wind of it and uses his idol, Sierra’s gone and Brendan’s gone in three days. I would like to see him go first because I would like to have three days to boss her around and telling her to shut up. It probably wouldn’t win me her vote from the jury but it would probably win me everybody else’s vote. It will be a win/win for me.”
Brendan sat down with Sierra, JT and Stephen.
Brendan “The Exile Alliance hibernated for a while but it’s finally going to rear its ugly head.”
Brendan proposed voting out Coach and JT said that would be awesome.
Brendan concluded: “This will be one of the biggest blindsides which I am happy to be a part of on the good side.”
JT and Stephen went off on their own, JT explaining he had bonded with Brendan and that Brendan wanted him in the finals. Stephen found that strange.
JT asked Stephen: “Wouldn’t you say that we’re in control of this game right now?”
Stephen agreed.
JT: “It makes a big difference, coming into the merge and being down in numbers but, before the first Tribal Council we come to, I’m the deciding factor. It’s huge…It’s completely in my court.”
Brendan “I don’t like misleading people but I feel this is the one time in life when you can get away with it and have a “get out of Jail free” card.”
Coach: “Brendan suspects nothing. In fact, Brendan still thinks we are voting JT off but, in reality, we are cutting off the head of the dragon and sending Brendan home. I feel very happy about that. You know, leaders are born, I’m not saying that Brendan isn’t a naturally born leader but, when it comes head-to-head, we’ll see tonight who was the chosen one. It’s going to be Coach Wade so that’s very fulfilling.”
Tribal Council:
Erinn told Jeff that Tyson was the one that keeps the tribe laughing.
JT said Coach was the best camp fire stories.
Taj told her favorite story was the one about the Amazon. That sparked Jeff’s curiosity.
Jeff asked if that really happened or if it was the movie version of what he wanted to happen.
Coach said it was actually a toned-down version. (Sierra’s reaction showed she found that hilarious, Taj and Stephen were also seen smiling)
Coach said he had been in six, seven or eight life or death situations he’d been through
Again Sierra was shown laughing and Jeff couldn’t believe it either: “8 life or death situations??”
Coach added: “Probably more than that. Hurricanes, shark, I’ve been attacked by a crocodile, captured by an Indian tribe. There has been very defining moments in my life where I thought these are the last 3 or 4 seconds. Does it bother me that people question that? They cannot question my integrity and my honesty. That’s how I’m playing this game, that’s how I play my life.”
Coach avoided the question about Timbira sticking together.
Asked about trust, Tyson said that, if a Jalapao member goes home, then I think the Timbiras stay loyal but if a Timbira member goes home, everyone will rethink their strategies.
Asked how he felt, Stephen said: “In my case, I’m just hoping to have enough time to get to know more people. I’m really glad JT is over there with a much larger target on his back than I do.” (Cymbal sound and a surprised look from JT)
Taj commented that JT was a triple threat.
Asked if he agreed that the physical threats needed to go, Coach talked about the Vikings and how he wanted to surround himself with warriors.
Asked about the idol, Tyson said anyone who has been to Exile could have the idol. Everyone denied having it until Brendan raised his arm to say he had it. That surprised Erinn and again Sierra laughed.
Coach and Tyson exchanged a wink when Brendan didn’t play his idol.
Jeff concluded by saying that was a pretty big blindside. “So much for old tribal loyalties, this is clearly an individual game.”
Stephen and JT’s story continued its strong progression. One could close the book of this season, convinced that they are destined to wind up in the finals with one of the two sure to win but I still have reservations regarding that outcome. This episode’s theme was how Pride comes before the fall. We could have expected Coach to pay the price because he was the most arrogant player but the episode ended with him still flying high. It seems weird storytelling to have set up Brendan for that fall a full episode in advance. It was like hiding his elimination in plain sight. Granted, Brendan also displayed arrogance when he said he wanted to be part of the biggest blindside so maybe the morale of the story is that everyone who displayed too much arrogance is already doomed. That would mean all the alpha-males are on borrowed times. What about Stephen? Was it the wrong episode to become the Man on the Mountain?
The Characters
Sierra: I will state right now that I am sure Sierra will not be voted out next. Burnett would not use the same trick twice. Her story cannot possibly end with Coach saying she was like the Dragon’s bowel movements and Tyson saying he wants to shut her up and boss her around.
She said that JT was awesome but she just heard him lie to Brendan so she’s unlikely to rally to him. It seems that her only hope would be to do like Taj and simply let the big dogs target each other. Now, does that mean she can make it all the way to the end?
I felt that Sierra’s story would end in frustration by being the unhappy finalist but her position in the game suggests otherwise. If she winds up as an angry juror, she has to be voted out after Tyson and Coach realize that they just threw their game away.
Taj: She had an interesting confessional, saying that “they” didn’t even need to make any plans to see Timbira fall. By “They”, she meant Jalapao but Stephen and JT were certainly part of the planning. What if it turned out that the followers, the ones who really didn’t do any planning, are the ones who will benefit from all this scheming? Wouldn’t that fit perfectly with Game Theory?
Could Taj herself be the follower that profits from all the in-fighting? The problem I see with that story line is that Taj was presented as a leader herself in the Exile Alliance and we never heard her thoughts on letting it die.
Tyson and Coach: If this episode was to show that too much pride is deadly, one of these two has to leave next. The other will probably soon follow.
JT: He never looked more like a savvy player than he did in this episode yet this is the episode where we were shown why he could fail. Consider Brendan’s statement that he wanted to bring JT to the end. What was the purpose of showing that? I see 3 possibilities; the first two apply to a JT win, the other point to his loss:
- It would explain why Brendan still votes for JT in the end.
- It would show that JT really had the game in hand like no other player before him.
- It was to show where JT made his fatal mistake.
Since this episode was all about arrogance, I believe that the third option is the one that applies. Note that, for someone who is presented as being sincere, his alliances with Taj, Coach and Brendan all started off with a lie. Hearing that he considers himself in complete control of the game showed he can be guilty of arrogance just like the Timbira men.
Debbie: She’s the biggest follower this season so we could say that Debbie is in a good position but a follower must know when to switch alliance when the leader is losing his power. Debbie is too attached to Tyson and Coach. Editing-wise, Debbie has never been presented as someone who will have a major impact on the game. Game-wise, someone will realize that the friendly Debbie would be a jury threat.
That leaves two Contenders:
Stephen: Like I wrote, his showing on Exile Sand Dune was impressive. I can certainly see that it would be a great platform to show off a deserving winner. Maybe I should go with the flow of praises that are going Stephen’s way…
However: If you listen to his confessional, it’s all about personal growth with no game implications, no reflection on Joe leaving and the multiple options he had been considering. Personal stories fit also into the edit of “Players on a Journey”. This episode showed the nerdy city boy turn into the Man on the Mountain, the Wizard who zapped the Dragon. Showing his vote last and letting us hear his words put the execution of Brendan as much on Stephen’s shoulders as it did on JT’s.
His words about being happy that JT has a bigger target on his back was probably a smart thing to say to keep Brendan off the scent but it wasn’t presented that way. The cymbal crash and JT’s head spin showed that JT finally realized that the Wizard is a threat. This episode may have been presented this way to show us where Stephen lost the game when he sided with Coach against his Exile Alliance.
Erinn: Once more, I’m left with Erinn. Like everyone else, I see that she isn’t a big character so keeping her in contention may be difficult to justify…
However: Her overture to JT was brilliantly executed and perfectly presented by the editors. It came after all the craziness that Coach brings and it first showed a fishing pole, preparing the audience to another Coach/JT scheming scene. Instead it was Erinn using the same bonding mechanism that the boys had used. She did it very subtly; telling JT how she felt about Joe, knowing the two liked each other. THAT’s the way you gain someone’s trust.
If JT’s subsequent confessional had mentioned that he was already in a power alliance, Erinn could have been made to look foolish, someone pedaling fast on a little bike, trying to catch up to what was happening. Instead, JT said Erinn’s vote would be huge. Note that, from what we have been shown, Erinn is the only card in JT’s hand that Stephen hasn’t seen.
Just how much room to play will she find? She probably still needs a miracle to win but that’s exactly the way her story has been presented from the start: The uncertain hairstylist that Tyson called a b*tch and Brendan voted against in the opening sequence. She even fell out of the loop during the first council and Coach called her a cancer. For someone without an alliance, she just made one with the player who has complete control of the game…or so he thinks! Don't count this dark horse out just yet.

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115. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

I understand why you don't want to count out Erinn, and I'm not totally counting her out. But I've still got hopes for Sierra. She could simply allow the big dogs to target each other and sneak by to the end. I don't think she's going home next week, either.
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117. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

hey michel,
I read your post, wonderful as usual. You are so elegant in your analysis, and notice so much that I don't.
And yet, I am still not on board with Erinn as dark horse winner. We have seen it before with female players. Danni comes to mind. For me what little we saw of Erinn is more the editors giving the women a small part of their due in a season where they are all too focused on the big characters they believe are "great TV." (delusional editing ...)
I saw Erinn present herself to JT in a good way and be received as potentially useful. A good approach on her part, from a weak position, but I think it's a very weak game to have come so far without a real ally, just waiting for the chance to jump. I do not think Erinn would get the votes to win, unless she faced off with Coach.
The scene did seem to me as positive for JT. I think JT could very well be a fairly obvious winner. If Stephen wins, that will be the surprise.
Re Stephen's journey - We now have Bob in addition to Aras who were journey players that won. Stephen has not been portrayed, to my mind, as a journey player, but as a gameplayer with a handicap - that he's not at home in the environment or with roughing it. I saw this not as Stephen having gotten what he needs out of the game, but more that he had overcome an obstacle - by not dying in the wild!
I think the theme of this episode was twofold:
1) Will the real person in control of this game please stand up?
A: JT and Stephen, unknown to those taking the credit.
2) How does a tribe that took control of the game numerically manage to throw away everything it fought for?
As Taj said, you guys go and do what you do, we'll come in afterwards.
I thought she made a very good statement setting up the real chance that original Jalapao's will be the last ones standing.
My impressions are all subjective and subject to change with Episode 9, but this is how I see it at this point ... Jalapao comeback sweeps aside Timbira tribe that just couldn't cohere because the personalities didn't mesh.

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118. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

Thank you OFG, your words are very appreciated.
Your remarks certainly expose the fragility of my analysis. I only offer as response that Cook Islands and Fiji showed us that Survivor can ignore the women if they want to concentrate on the big characters. Erinn still gets a continuing story line. It's not much but it could be enough.
Also, consider something that Veruca pointed out: Erinn's remark about first impressions during the recap was the exact opposite of Brendan's. Erinn said she got a good look at everyone while Brendan didn't want to go by 1st impressions. Veruca wondered who would be proven wrong. This season is about first impressions so it "had" to be Erinn.
As far as getting the votes to win, Erinn could beat Sierra and maybe even the rich Taj. If she makes it to the end that means that a lot of people will have backstabbed close allies so who knows how the jury will react?
I'm not saying that Stephen won't win because his role is to be a "Player on a Journey", simply that it could explain his great edit up to now. I certainly can't say that Stephen doesn't have the edit to win. What has always bothered me about his story is his hesitancy. This episode was the first time we saw him making the final decision and it was to align with Coach. Is that really a good sign?

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120. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

hey michel, your thoughts are always so logical and eloquent and I can't disagree that it could happen.
Re Stephen's hesitancy, I think he has been weighing his options and enjoying having options.
I think he chose Coach because Stephen is playing to win and he didn't see himself winning going to the end with a Brendan who wants to take JT - because Brendan was just strong and smart enough, plus the idol, to carry out his plan, whereas Coach is a crazy clown.
I hated seeing them turn on Brendan, but it was a good strategic move for Stephen. For JT, he had a gift horse there and he turned it down, so I think that says something for Stephen's influence. That whole scene was mangled, as FP points out, in the service of creating suspense in the one episode.
There is an "extra" clip from Ep 7 of Stephen saying he had concerns about the Exile Alliance because he thought he was fourth on Brendan's take to finals list. With the addition of JT, he dropped to fifth.
(I am not sure of the etiquette here with talking about web only scenes; however, I think the editors know they have a huge web following and the extra scenes are there for people who want to see more of the story than the 60 minutes would allow, in particular, longer confessionals.
One could take the POV these are being hidden from the general audience, but I think it is more of a time function. A three minute confessional by one player isn't practical, so now they put them on the web and use more sound bytes on the show. I think they are part of the show for the dedicated fans. What do you all think.)
Re Erinn, I just don't feel that I know her and her strategy or have followed her story. If she were to win, it would be like Danni. I agree it may be more interesting to see an underdog come into her own near the end than to see the leader of the Jalapao tribe and his friends succeed to the end, but ...
my first tenet with editing is that what happened happened. The editors need to make it interesting with the material they have. If JT or Stephen win, are they showing us the story? I think so. If Erinn or Sierra are the winners, have they engaged us as much as they could have? I don't feel they have.
Re first impressions, I'm ambivalent about this as an overall theme. It was a twist at the beginning. Obviously the editors hope that a twist may have big repercussions, but it may not. For example the mutiny option was a dud, whereas the mutiny twist in Cook Islands turned out huge for the season.
A twist at the beginning of the show like that, may or may not bear fruit. It bore SOME fruit with Sierra. It was prominent in the editing of episode one, but it had to be. I think who they chose for the first confessionals mattered; everyone ended up being at least jury. However, I found the "trek to camp" confessionals a lot meatier. That is where we meet JT and Stephen.

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122. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

"I hated seeing them turn on Brendan."
It's an hypothesis of mine that winners don't vote out "Victims" but that there's always a good reason for eliminating a threat. In my opinion, not showing the Insider clip, mangling the discussion between JT and Stephen to the point where we don't know if they were talking about Brendan or Coach and then letting us hear that Brendan wanted to take JT to the end isn't very good for Stephen or JT. Every viewer, except Jiffy, probably hated seeing them turn on Brendan.
Erinn's story is thin but it has been told: She's an outsider, she told us why she has trouble trusting these people in the epi #2 TC and she also told us why she can't bond with people so soon after her separation. Everybody, it seems, has mentioned that Erinn is alone and suddenly, she makes a true connection with the player in charge.
The mutiny was such a dud that we didn't even hear them reading that part on the parchment after the first episode. "First impressions" came back often enough to be a theme. We heard about it when people met in Exile, when they had their merge feast, etc...
We'll see how it goes. It should be a fun ride to the end!

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119. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

LAST EDITED ON 04-20-09 AT 11:35 AM (EST)
Great, great assessments, as always, Michel! I love reading your post-episode thoughts and I love how you find a theme for the episodes as well.
This week, I am not going to go through the entire commentary, that michel noted so well, but I will comment on a few critical scenes, imo.
The show started out as usual with a recap by Jiffy. Coach then goes into his incredible Amazon adventure and the next morning he is seen doing his TaiChi, but it's not Tai Chi, it's something that is passed down verbally....Coach states that he is in control of the game, he's running the show, like he was born to do. He's the Dragon Slayer...and Sierra, she's the bowel movement that comes out of the dragon....
Yes, there is an awful lot of arrogance, as michel notes, in this episode. Last week set up the alphas to really go head to head, not surprising that they all claim to be the top dog. I agree with OFG, it seemed the major question of the episode, as was noted in the promos, is who is actually in control of this game? With the removal of Joe, this question is delayed, drawn out. Another point to reiterate is what Veruca has previously noted. That Coach is now being edited as ridiculous...we are hit over the head with this, last week with the thunder and lightening as he did his morning meditation, and in this episode when he goes on and on about his capture by native amazonians, and then again in the morning, when Sierra tells him that he is hilarious...
My take on the Erinn/JT scene with them bonding while fishing was more positive for JT...yes, it is the only option that Erinn really has, but it's going to prove more useful to JT, than to her...JT summed it up, Erinn's vote would be huge....nice to know if I need her, I can call on her. Note that this is not arrogant at all, yet, JT is constantly seen bonding with everyone. Yes, he is a likeable guy, and he is working it as best he can, he's gracious...to me.
Then we get to the RC, Jiffy explains that it's about breaking tiles, last team with tiles still intact will win the great trip, special emphasis on Coach, that he really really wants this one...
Right off the bat, first group up, Stephen and Coach both go to target the black team and JT is incredulous at Stephen:
Focus on JT as he yells: Stephen, man, what are you doing??
Jiffy: Stephen and Coach knock out 2 tiles! As the focus is squarely on JT's upset face...
JT asks: Why is everybody after the black team?
Erinn, JT's newfound friend, answers: Your team's a little stacked...
Later in the challenge I note a specific interesting tidbit...Taj, Erinn, and JT are up on the platform. Taj and JT are first on the white teams line, while Erinn comes up and we hear:
JT directs Erinn: Finish off the red tiles, and I'll miss, Erinn...
Erinn says, Okay
Taj reacts: Oh! You are gonna send her to the red, then I'm going to the black, ok? As she goes to the black..
JT then notes: Alright, then I'll get here(as he moves over to the red), and make sure you all are out... Then we hear Coach direct her to go back to the white...
At the end of the challenge, when Jiffy asks the black team who they will send to Exile, Debbie immediately responds, Stephen...
Okay, with the reward challenge dialogue, I note first and foremost that there is starting to be a rivalry between best buddies, Stephen and JT. Stephen, who is playing a very clever game, is now starting to go head to head with JT, perhaps...they are both playing to win...this is enlightening to JT, surprising and enlightening! I can't help but be reminded of Coach's words that we are hit over the head with...he wants the warriers and the worthy players to make it to the end game, are JT and Stephen our worthy warriers?
Another interesting point is how JT seems to direct EVERYBODY in this game...he tells Erinn what to do, and she does it, Taj fights back and he (along with JT's new buddy, Coach) direct her back...this, imo, bodes well for JT...As Jiffy noted in his blog, everybody is listening to JT, and people who are listened to, do very well in this game! I wonder, if JT is one of the "warriers" at the end of the game, will the jury listen to him?
The next critical scene to me came after Brendan had gathered the Exile alliance at camp to target Coach...we then see Stephen and JT going to the river bank and we hear...
Stephen: Is everything good?
JT: Alot went on yesterday...Brendan and I bonded on that rafting thing.
Stephen:I thought you might...
JT: He wants to vote Coach off to save me...
Stephen: That changes everything...
Now they are seen sitting on the river bank, Stephen is now shirtless...
JT: I'm pretty sure he wants me in the finals ...then there is an incredulous look from Stephen...
Stephen: Why would you want that?
JT: I'm pretty sure he likes me alot
Stephen: But, that's crazy!
JT: I know!
Stephen: It would be a really strong play, we might have to seriously think about it. Because we might not get another chance at him.
JT: He really is crazy, he is somewhat crazy, I think that story about him getting captured in the Amazon, that's just hard to believe...
Stephen: It is hard to believe.
JT: I'd reckon with them sons of b!tches in some way, don't you think? I'd come back with a 30/30 Winchester, see what them natives do then, know what I mean? Pause Would you say that we are in control of this game right now?
Stephen: I would definately say that we are in control of this game right now!
JT then ended the scene with a confessional:
JT: It makes a big difference, coming into the merge and being down in numbers but, before the first Tribal Council we come to, I’m the deciding factor. It’s huge…It’s completely in my court.
My take on the above scene was also interesting. I definately found this scene to indeed be a critical one. I thought, as Veruca often points out, that this scene was clearly manipulated. The first part of the conversation occured as JT and Stephen's backs were to us, so we could not see them talking...when the scene originally played out, to me, at first it sounded as they were talking about Brendan...how they had bonded on the rafting trip and JT noted that he wants him in the finals, and Stephen noted that that was crazy, JT agrees, and then Stephen points out that "it would be a really strong play, he might have to seriously think about it, because we might not get another chance at him"...to me, this is about Brendan. I got the impression that these two had discussed all of the opportunities that had arisen and were firmly on board with Coach and Tyson to blindside Brendan...they were elated that this arose, knowing that Brendan would be very threatening as he would be good at challenges, he's smart, AND, he had an idol. To me, Stephen was just looking for confirmation from JT, that the plan was still on, to take Brendan out as they may not get another chance to blindside him....BUT, then, the convesation switched to coach...so, was the viewer meant to believe that this conversation had been about Coach? Making him seem like the threat that would be hard to get out...I think they attempted for Coach to be the misdirection here...so there would be drama and a blindside at the later TC...I also thought that JT was noting the circumstances, that now both Brendan and Coach wanted him to be their new best friend, and all of a sudden, he was the one to make the choice, not the other way around...I don't think he sounded arrogant, compared to how Coach and Tyson were sounding...he ASKED Stephen if he thought they were in control of the game, and Stephen replied, far more confidently that "Yes, I do think we are in control of this game!" The confessional at the end of the scene, I think also was a positive for JT, noting how funny it was that it was he that had been so worried about the numbers and he was at the mercy of these new people, yet now, it seemed as if it were he that got to make the decision afterall...remember, before the merge it was JT that noted, you never knew what tomorrow would bring...To me, his was not an arrogant confessional, yet an amazed one
The next very interesting scene was at TC when Jiffy asked Stephen, "What can you do, if anything, to change your fate?"
He replies, "In my case I hope to have enough time to get to know more (Brendan and Erinn seen) people. I'm really glad that JT (JT is shown looking directly at Stephen) is over there with a much larger target on his back than I have on mine...JT LOOKING DIRECTLY AT HIM, again to me, incredulous.
Jiffy then asks Taj: "Do you think that's true, that people that are the most physically challenging are gonna be the biggest targets?"
Taj: "Yeah, I definately think that's true, JT is fast, he's a lovable person, you just can't find anything wrong with him..."
Jiffy: "Coach, do you agree?"
Coach: "I want to surround myself with warriers...even if they defeat me, I think that's the honorable way to play this game".
Again, another great scene here...clearly, we see JT realizing that Stephen is playing to win, and that Stephen is willing to throw JT under the bus...at least that's what it seemed to me, I was really surprised and wanted to hit JT "upside his head and say, SEE, You watch out for him, JT!!!"....I think the editors are showing this, but may hide JT's recognition of this important fact, but trust me, I get the impression that JT sees it, loudly and clearly, and that he will bring it all back later to nail Stephen.
Regarding the last comment by Coach, that he wants to surround himself with the warriers and that even if they defeat him, that's the honorable way to play....Yes, while Coach is ridiculous, I think this theme will indeed play out to the end, and I do think that it will be JT vs. Stephen...Coach, imo, will indeed fall to the worthy warriers.
Regarding the other two of the final four...at this point we pretty much know that Taj will indeed be there. But, she along with the fourth, imo, are only accessories to the story. I think that fourth is far more likely to be Sierra or Debbie, rather than Erinn. But with the previews for this week, it's the entire tribe vs. Sierra, and we know that she will NOT go...imo, it will indeed be Tyson...I strongly suspected him to go last week, but I was off by one week...I know that he is indeed a marked man, way, way too arrogant, over the top, arrogant, and it will be a blindside. However, perhaps the only story that Sierra has is that she is better than the impression she gives to others and she will do anything to stay...I think after this week she could go shortly, I could be wrong.
So, michel, at this point, I will make a case for one to land on top...I may be way off, but I'll admit, it's fun to make a case. Stephen and JT, wow! I never gave them much of a chance at all in the beginning of the game to land in the F2...I thought JT had insurmountable odds of making it, and as Stephen chose to ride his coattails, I didn't give him much of a chance either. But, as VS and all of you have noticed by now, they really are a great story here and have shown the most, imo, progression of anyone...They both were talked about in the opening show...JT was the hick hillbilly that everyone would most likely underestimate regarding his intelligence, while Stephen was the nerdy New York Jew that didn't know anything about the country. We even heard Stephen comment on that he was in trouble as he had nothing in common with the bama boy. We saw them strike up an unlikely friendship, where JT took him under his wing. To me, these two, as perhaps VS has already noted, seem to embody the theme that the editors keep hitting us over the head with, the one that Coach came up with, having the "worthy" players end up in the finals, the warriers. Clearly, Coach has told us that he indeed likes both JT and Stephen. (But, don't you think he likes JT a little more...after all, he had an unspoken bond with him
JT has told us in the recrap that he was there to win the million dollars and that he was going to win the million dollars. He has told us that he doesn't know who Taj is married to but he's pretty sure that she has more money than he does...he also has told us that he is a sore loser, he HATES to lose, we see him show up for EVERY challenge with his GAME FACE ON! So, to me, JT surely looks like more of a "warrier" than Stephen does.
I also agree, that often Stephen talks about we, where JT talks about the game from his perspective. We have heard others talk about JT since day one, and I would bet in every single episode...not only do they talk about him, but it seems as if EVERYONE wants JT to make it...how on God's green earth did JT get Brendan to want to stay up all night to figure a way to get JT to the finals??? Clearly, this 'bama boy has a charm that is working it's magic...I don't necessarily see Stephen as the wizard, I see the true wizard as JT...
I can't deny that Stephen did have a HUGE scene at EI this week, with his account of the fire building. Clearly, if he is in a challenge of fire building, he'll win...we all know that Earl and Bob were the men on the journey, and they won the whole thing. But, with the warrier theme, and worthy players, I am inclined to put my faith in JT, who of all the alphas, imo, is the least arrogant.
AS Brownroach noted in one of the threads this week, that JT had a confessional at the beginning of the last episode: “Brendan is targeting me for the next Tribal Council but I am in a power alliance. The alliance is Coach, myself, Tyson, Stephen and Debbie, so Brendan is going home.” He pointed out that JT told us in the beginning of the episode who was going home, and by gosh, he went home...
When the promos asked us all week, who was in control of this game, well, I think JT told us with this confessional... “It makes a big difference, coming into the merge and being down in numbers but, before the first Tribal Council we come to, I’m the deciding factor. It’s huge…It’s completely in my court.”
And, I think he does it in a honest way, that is the least arrogant...
I think that JT will indeed prevail. But, we all know that I have been wrong before, , so maybe this is a good omen for Stephen...ETA: I also wanted to bring up the Nash Game Theory at this point. That theory notes that in a tribe full of multiple leaders, it will be a follower that wins, while in a tribe full of followers, it will be the leader...so, where does that fit with JT? Let's see, at this point it was really about who the leader of Forza would be...Brendan or Coach. Seems like JT has slid back amongst the followers, at this point in the game. Will the next question be, who really is the leader, Coach or Tyson? Then, if he makes it to the end with all other followers, is he likely to win, as the sole leader? Food for thought...

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121. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

FloPo, while you and michel BOTH wrote awesome summaries of this episode, this is the one that matches up with my read of the situation. As I am FREQUENTLY wrong that doesn't mean too much except that I loved seeing it all laid out in your post.
Re the F4, I think it will be Debbie for two reasons. One is that I think Stephen/JT/Taj will stick with Coach/Debbie after blindsiding Tyson, the big threat. While Debbie is no doubt a bigger challenge threat than Coach, he's a natural for the first boot. Maybe Erinn even outlasts him, don't know.
Debbie is so that typical F4 female player like Denise, or Lydia, or Sundra, who just gets to that point by following and never makes a game move, but isn't booted until the point they go hmm, a) you don't deserve it because you didn't make moves and b) you didn't backstab anyone and you have friends on the jury so you have to go.
I think the only way Sierra and Erinn had to go was if they had managed to put together a female alliance, but instead they do not like each other at all. Sierra, Erinn, Taj, Debbie COULD have been a force like Parvati/Amanda/Cirie/Natalie, and that other girl who threw a tantrum, but we've had nada in the way of build-up and I don't think it will happen.

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123. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

Nice thoughts FP. I'm glad we have someone in JT's corner, now all the angles are covered.
(I doubt someone will stand up for Coach and Debbie!)

I think it's a little early to say that Taj/Stephen and JT make the F4. There are some indications of problems between JT and Stephen so maybe one turns on the other before then.
Regarding Nash Game theory, the editors have clearly shown that Coach, Tyson, JT, Brendan and even Taj were leader types. We even say that Stephen decides for JT so he should also be counted as leader.
JT can't be considered a follower now, a leader later. Not when he has lines like: "I'm the deciding factor", "If I need her vote", "Brendan is going home".
(BTW: I saw that as arrogance but it depends on interpretation)
6 Leaders by the time we reached the merge probably is a record. Marquesas had 4 leaders at the merge and we know how that turned out.

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124. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

I still go back to the beginning, when Jeff said something about changing first impressions, and how that would be the theme of this season. And how we (the viewers) would like the outcome.
If that is true, the one who has to have shown the biggest change is Sierra. She has managed to get past the merge, when she was going to be the first voted out for her weakness. Tyson is derisive of her, and she has irritated Coach, but they are not threatened by her. Everyone else seems cool with her. I wonder, if she can slip through just once more, how far she can make it.

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125. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

>I still go back to the
>beginning, when Jeff said something
>about changing first impressions, and
>how that would be the
>theme of this season.
>And how we (the viewers)
>would like the outcome.
That is Stephen's story more than Sierra's now. He changed the first impressions of Sandy by showing he wouldn't be led easily and his own impressions about not being accepted by his tribe and JT. Stephen is leading Jalapao's strategy and is JT's best friend. The editors have made sure that Stephen can be liked while Sierra has been ignored.
Erinn still has to fill in that storyline.

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126. "RE: Episode #8: Editing"

Yes, but it might change next episode to be Sierra's story again.
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109. "Stephen"

Thought I'd pull this over from a post over on Bashers by PsychoKitty:
Stephen just might win this thing. . .
(I can't wait for the 3 hour fire building contest tie breaker! . . . thank god he practiced!)
They spent an awful lot of time focusing on Stephen over on Exile Island (as OFG also noted) for someone who didn't bother with the hidden immunity idol. The fact that they focused on him working on the fire and the subsequent success tells me that either:
(a) he gets into a tie-breaker situation (F4) and wins by building a fire,
and/or
(b) he wins the whole thing and the success of the fire-building is a "moment of revelation" for Stephen, much like the scene where Parvati paid rapt attention to the natives during a reward was a revelationary (yes I made it up) moment that showed us that she has changed for the better as a person and first showed us she might be a capable winner instead of being known as just a flirt.

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110. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

I dunno, guys. I was convinced that Tyson was going to go this week based on last week's editing. But then after the episode, I realized that all of his arrogant comments, vis a vis 'I'm a better schemer than Brendan', 'I can mold this game any way I want', were proven right. His comment last week about the key to Brendan's blindside being that everyone shuts up about it made it seem like the opportunity had passed, but everyone stayed shut up about it for three days(!), which, especially given that Brendan had 2 allies that were supposed to be watching his back, is quite incredible.
So what I'm saying is - Tyson may win. Realistically, there are long odds as Steve/JT/Taj can just hook on Erinn at F7 and vote out the other 3. Strategically, that seems like a no-brainer after next week's 44-minute funeral for Sierra. But the fact that Tyson's arrogant comments were proven correct, combined with the focus this season on 'iron that sharpens iron', makes me think we may see a F4 of Stephen, JT, Coach and Tyson, which would probably be the unlikeliest F4 I could have imagined at the start of the season.

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127. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

LAST EDITED ON 04-25-09 AT 09:23 PM (EST)

The recap focused on Coach and Tyson making an alliance with Stephen and JT (the warrior shown on screen sealing the deal with Coach and later Tyson) and they targeted one of their own, Brendan.
Brendan and Sierra were also trying to pull in the Jalapao 3, going after Coach.
The stage was set for a showdown between Brendan and Coach.
The old Jalapao tribe found themselves in an unlikely position: JT and Stephen realizing they were in control of the game.
At Tribal Council, Brendan thought his plan was in the bag and didn’t play his idol. The Jalapaos sided with Coach, blindsiding Brendan and leaving Sierra in an alliance of one.
The scene ended by showing Sierra’s despair and Coach’s joy as they exited the Council.
Forza
Night 24
As they returned to camp, Tyson asked how awesome that was. Erinn replied “Awesome” and Tyson said to Sierra that she had to admit they were bad@ss. Erinn didn’t look sympathetic to Sierra’s plight.
Sierra: (solo) “That sucked. It was probably the worst night I’ve had out here. Right now, I’m just tired and kind of hurt. I just want to disappear.” We saw Sierra asking to talk to Coach while her confessional continued: “I don’t think I’m a bad person for writing Coach’s name down although it was a very hard choice to make.”
Coach reacted to the talk with Sierra with this confessional: “I knew Sierra wanted to assuage her guilt. Make herself feel rationalized and justified inside. That’s what we do when we make poor decisions in life.”
Forza
Day 25
Coach, as he meditated: “I came down to the water early to celebrate the victory over Brendan.” (Note that the scene is much more flattering for Coach. The special effects are gone and the music is more in line with meditation.) “…There was this feeling of peace that settled over me… To defeat a worthy opponent like that, at this stage of the game, is the “pièce de résistance”. The Dragon Slayer has vanquished the Dragon once and for all. Aaaaaargh! Over! The battle has already been won. Victory is mine!”
Back in camp, Sierra was explaining she had latched on to someone because of her rocky start.
JT reacted in confessional: “Tribal Council went as planned. Brendan didn’t have a clue it was coming and Sierra was really shocked. Stephen and I have put ourselves in a very good position. We could have decided who was going home last night and we decided to stay with the “Warrior Alliance”. We’re happy with the way things are going, we’re happy to see Sierra go next.”
Sierra told the group she was just following along because Brendan had the “most powerful thing in this game, he was holding the idol” to which Tyson replied correctly: “The most powerful thing is friends.”
Sierra: “I guess I’m pleading for my life. What sucks the most is that I was on top of the game yesterday but now, I’m at the bottom of the food chain but I’m not just going to roll over and die.”
She apologized to Tyson, who wasn’t very sympathetic.
Tyson (solo) “I like to see Sierra in a scrambling mode. I think it’s kind of funny because I’ve never liked Sierra. To me, she is of no worth. I imagine her parents love her. I can’t imagine her boyfriend’s that cool.”
Tyson refuted Sierra’s arguments three times, first saying she did try to massacre Coach, that she wasn’t smart enough to be the mastermind behind the move and that she would have voted against him if he hadn’t won immunity and Brendan had asked her to vote against him. Tyson ended the conversation by saying: “You’re going to be the next to go. You are not going to be able to change that.”
The Challenge
Once more, the focus was on Coach as Jeff mentioned that a demonstration of capoeira, a form a martial arts, would be part of the reward.
Watching from the starting line, Taj commented: “JT is so fast.”
Jeff warned Taj about the way she carried the board: “Careful Taj, it could snap your neck.”
Erinn directed Tyson and JT as they turned the boards while Debbie acted as observer, trying to see the vowels.
Stephen and Sierra unsuccessfully tried to find the right position for the Black team’s boards.
Debbie came up with the idea of including the word “Feast” as she and Erinn were handling the letters.
Immediately, JT told his team that Stephen had to be the one sent to exile. The team followed his idea, sending Stephen to his “home away from home”.
JT explained in confessional: “Now that Brendan’s gone and his idol is out of play, I feel there’s a new idol in Exile so Stephen needs to be on Exile to insure that Sierra doesn’t get the other idol if there is one placed out.”
Jeff enjoyed teasing Coach: “You continue to lose out on those nice rewards. All that life experience is not helping you out here.”
Coach looked pissed: “You know, I didn’t line board like this in the Amazon.”
That made Sierra smile.
The Reward
Erinn and Debbie were the narrators.
Erinn who had been picked by Joe, missing Timbira’s reward: “I’m super excited to win the challenge because I never went on a reward before. There was all this food and I was so hungry.”
Debbie: “We looked filthy… and we piled on as much food as we could and we looked like savages. They looked at us thinking: What’s wrong with these people… As a mother, I miss my children horribly and, as a principal, I miss all my 900 middle-school kids so I was gravitating towards these little boys. I’ll never take my job for granted anymore…This showed me how much I love those kids that I work with.”
Erinn: “Capoeira is a Brazilian form of martial arts but they don’t actually make any physical contact. It looks like they are fighting but it’s also a dance. Then, they started pulling us up and teaching us how to do the dance with them.” (Debbie starred in this segment, doing back-flips) Erinn continued: “After eating all that food, you’re so stuffed that you can’t move but you have these people saying: “Come! Come dance with us” so we’re like OK! Fine, we’ll do a little dance, no big deal but once I sat down again, it was terrible. I way over did it.” (Erinn starred in this segment, doing stomach flips all over her feet.) “I was like this little kid who eats pizza and ice cream and then gets in the playland and jumps around a bunch and can’t understand why they threw up. It was terrible.”
Exile Dune
With a shot from above as the vulture circled, Stephen approached the Sand Dune.
Stephen: “Brendan left last night and it just could be that there is a second idol out there and nobody knows where it is. So, I am hoping to find the clues to a new idol and I would end up with 2 idols in my possession. It’s clue number 7 which means there’s no new idol, which means I’m here for nothing. (The vultures looked on) I’m lucky I’m not on that reward because who wants to be feasting when you could be in sand.”
We saw him watching a fire and lie down in the lake.

Forza (or was it Timbira still?)
Day 26
The players were back from reward and Sierra was talking with Debbie.
Debbie said: “…If we had messed up and done the wrong thing in the game I’d expect to be done, I’m sorry…There are reactions to actions and you chose the wrong action.”
Sierra countered: “You have no flippin’ clue how many people are going to do that to you. Later down the road, there will be a moment where you will regret this… Now I’m in limbo. That puts me even more in an insecure position.”
Erinn, who had been listening in along with an amused Coach, replied: “That’s the choice you made.”
That irritated Sierra who decreed: “The conversation’s over.”
Debbie answered: “You get to decide? You wanted to talk to me and you decide when it’s over?”
Sierra said she didn’t want everyone jumping in. “I’m done fighting…done with everything. I’m tired of getting kicked in the face. It’s ironic how you’re going to keep around other liars.”
Erinn once more intervened: “Who are the other liars?”
Sierra replied: “I’m not talking to you, Erinn.”
- “I was just asking who you are talking about? If there are liars amongst us, I would like to know who they are.”
- “You’d be the last person that I’d tell.”
That amused Erinn: “Oh! It’s like that. You’re saying the same thing over and over and over again and we’re just done hearing it.”
Sierra left, saying they could eat without her.
Erinn got to explain the scene: “As much as Sierra annoys me to death and I think she’s so dumb, she’s right. Everything that she says is totally true. Once Sierra is no longer with us, the game will change and I’m the one who is going to turn it on its head. Guilty as charged.”
This is the crux of Erinn’s edit. Note that she changed the game BEFORE Sierra was no longer with them. So, was her upcoming good game move meant to be seen as a mistake, editing-wise, or were the editors starting to show us her stretch run? Let’s return to the episode before answering this.”
Forza
Day 27 (The Day the Snake Struck)
The scene started with a snake poised to strike and then we get a blurred image of Sierra slowly coming into focus as Coach approached.
Sierra asked him: “If you were me, would you just roll over and take it? You probably expect more out of me. I was never going to go against anyone that I really cared about…”
“Except for me” pointed out Coach who, like Tyson before, refuted her argument, the music even coming to a stop to underline the mistake.
Sierra fumbled over her words but asked for a second chance to prove she could be loyal: “If I gave up on myself like I want to, I just want to go home, I do. I don’t want to be here with a bunch of people that I hurt, but I don’t want to go out like that.”
Coach replied: “Of course, I’d like to give you a second chance. Am I going to give you a second chance? Probably not. The honorable thing is to accept your fate… The Samurai warrior… would fall on his sword. Death before dishonor.”
Sierra asked: “You want to see Erinn stay here over me?”
“No, but you made your bed.”
With dramatic music and a close-up of her teary face, Sierra tried another approach: “Would I be ‘Strong Sierra” if I didn’t have this conversation with you? No. Would you be Coach who pushed against me to make me work harder at challenges if you didn’t think that I had that in me? No. So don’t get mad at me for having this conversation with you.”
The camera showing his pained expression, Coach had a confessional: “The coach in me is continually looking to those in need of assistance or encouragement. I see somebody like Sierra, my heart goes out to her” (which is what the editors wanted from this scene) “It kills me to have this kid here asking me to throw her a bone because she is having so much trials. It breaks my heart.”
Sierra (solo): “There is a very, very small glimmer of hope but I really need to win immunity. It’s my only chance of pulling through this.”
The Challenge
Coach, JT and Stephen (who thanked God for the opportunity) decided they were confident enough not to participate in the challenge.
Tyson in confessional, showed what he thought of this: “Coach is hungry enough to quit a game and eat pizza. (NOTE: JT and Stephen are shown on screen while Tyson rants against Coach) When do I get my pizza, dude? I’ve been winning all these challenges, you know. They should let me eat pizza and not worry about sealing the deal to get rid of Sierra.” (Good news: Plenty of pizza in LL)
Fun quotes from Jeff: “All Tyson does is block the road for everybody else”
(I think the road is free now)
“Sierra, with her second shot, will have to get passed Tyson to have a shot at it.”
(How accurate!)
“Taj, nothing but a sand dune”
(Her story has been limited to that sand dune, hasn’t it?!!)
“Sierra knocks Tyson out… Huge move.”
(Knocking Tyson out was a huge move but it wasn’t Sierra’s)
Coach: watching, had a confessional: “When Sierra was doing her little dance, I was thinking I may have screwed everything up. Should I have been out there competing? Yes, I should have been.”
After Debbie received the necklace from Jeff, Sierra had a confessional: “What I needed to do today was win that immunity challenge and it didn’t happen so part of me is like maybe that is my fate but there is a large part of me that prays for a miracle.”

A Rainy Forza
Tyson congratulated Debbie saying he would have eaten a slice had he known she would win while JT said “It couldn’t have worked any better” even if Sierra was sitting right there.
Quite ironically in retrospect, Tyson added: “There’s nothing better than seeing someone celebrate before the game is over. Did you see her dancing around?”
Tyson: “I would have liked to have won immunity necklace again. I think it would have been pretty bad@ss if I had won it for a third time. But tonight’s tribal council is going to be awesome. I’m hoping that Sierra will cry a lot.”
Back in the shelter, Erinn, Stephen and Taj were staying out of the rain.
Erinn said: “You know what we could do tonight? He doesn’t have immunity.”
The camera showed Tyson to make sure the viewer understood who Erinn meant.
Stephen agreed: “I think we might just take out Tyson. We might not get another chance… I really like him but we’re playing a freaking game for a million dollars.”
Taj said: “Talk to JT, let me know what you all do. I’m willing to do it.”
Stephen asked Erinn: “You’re a 100% with us, right?”
Erinn responded: “Absolutely.”
Erinn received another important confessional after this move (and therefore, the credit from the editors for it): “Tyson is such a physical competitor that he may win every challenge out here. We got lucky today and someone else won so we have to get rid of Tyson. This might just be the chance to do it. (We get a shot of Erinn approaching Tyson from behind as if to backstab him) “It could be Tyson or Sierra tonight. This is not an easy decision but I know that there is no way I can win this game by just hanging out and letting other people make my decision” (A shot of Erinn and Sierra was inserted just then to show the contrast between one who made decisions and one who let other people make it for her.) “This move is, potentially, a very pivotal one.”
Back in the shelter, Stephen asked Taj if she thought Erinn was solid. Taj answered that she hoped so, just as we saw Erinn being hugged by Coach (or was it new Coach?)
JT and Stephen had a talk with our city boy telling the ‘Bama boy that it could be there only chance to go after Tyson.
JT said it was a big move and he hated to make so early.
Stephen replied: “He could go on a run. It happens every season that someone goes on a run. Let’s make it you.”
JT liked that. He didn’t like that Sierra was looking at them: “Sierra is a lying beyotch, I hate her and I want you to keep her away from my face.”
Stephen agreed: “I hate her too.”
JT: (solo) “If I stay true to this plan that we are talking about, Stephen and myself, Erinn and Taj, if we get rid of Tyson we could do it without talking to Sierra because we have the numbers but it’s going to go against the “Warrior Alliance” that Coach worked so hard to build here. So, it’s going to be a tough decision.”
Coach had a talk with JT: “My priority right now is to get to the 5 with the warrior alliance. It would be stupid to make an alliance, gave it a name… and then chickened out at the last moment. I know I can trust you and that is so important to me, man.” JT shook hands with Coach as seen on screen and he gave him his word.
JT’s confessional went on: “It’s really going to crush Coach if I go through with this move to vote out Tyson.”
Tribal Council
Jeff told Sierra that she looked stunned when Brendan was blindsided.
She agreed, saying: “I’ll probably go home due to the choices I made but, if it’s my time, it’s my time.”
Tyson said he felt comfortable even if he didn’t have immunity. He added: “I’m glad Debbie won tonight. When you can’t win yourself, it’s nice to see someone you love win.”
Sierra rolled her eyes at that and for good measure, Tyson named everyone but her as someone he loved including an unflappable Brendan who he gave a wink.
Sierra tried to explain that she knew she was going, saying: “What I was trying to tell them was that in the alliance that I made with someone else, I probably spoke to that person about what we were planning on doing”
Jeff interrupted her, saying: “I don’t know what you’re talking about.”
(just like Tyson and Coach had done previously)
Tyson said nobody knows which irritated Sierra. He went on saying: “I know what she is saying. Want me to explain it.”
Sierra interrupted: “No, I don’t need you to explain it”
Jeff wanted to know what the problem between Sierra and Tyson was instead.
Besides their conflict, Sierra explained that she wouldn’t want to bring someone strong like Tyson to the end. Cymbals crashed as the camera showed Coach and Erinn.
Jeff told Coach that Sierra brought up a good point.
Coach talked about walking the path of the noble warrior which drew cross-eyes from Taj, a smile from Stephen and a remark from Jeff: “And then you voted out Brendan.”
To laughter from Brendan, Sierra, JT, Debbie and Erinn, Coach said: “I’ll explain this to you.”
Jeff said: “I’m sure you will.”
Coach: “Brendan pitted himself against me. If it’s war”
Jeff: “I thought that’s what you wanted.”
Coach: “Exactly, and I won, thank you.” He went on about his game philosophy.
Asked what he thought about that, JT said: “Coach said he wanted to change the game and he’s definitely changing it. I’ve never seen anyone take the best competitors to the end. When he gives me his word, I take it to the bank.”
Coach said he also trusted JT’s word which was accompanied by the sound of a rattle-snake.
When the votes were read, Sierra, the “dragon’s bride” was as surprised as Tyson was.
Debbie exchanged a worried look with Coach who didn’t know what had just happened.
Brendan was applauding.
Jeff noted that this was shaping up as a battle to the end.
The Story
What I found most interesting about this episode was that it was practically all about Timbira’s inner turmoil. In key scenes, the 3 Jalapaos were completely absent. Stephen and JT had good episodes but something felt wrong for them as if they were not part of the main plot. Despite being in control of the game, it seems that Jalapao won’t be deciding it. It always comes back to old Timbira.
In the long term, does that mean that Timbira decides the game because they are all on the jury or because one of their own wins in the end?
In the short term, it seems that Timbira’s conflicts are boiling down to a confrontation between Sierra and Erinn. Their animosity had long been hidden but it surfaced this week. Erinn had a key confessional about Sierra being dumb even if she was right. Sierra reminded Coach that he didn’t want Erinn to outlast her.
It feels as if one of these two has to go next. Which one?
Sierra: She could win the confrontation because of the care she received in her talk with Coach. We were meant to feel her pain and that could be a good sign. Also, Erinn calling her dumb could very well point to Sierra outlasting another of her tormentors. If she does, then we have been shown who sits besides Stephen in front of the jury.
I believe that Sierra won’t succeed in making that far because she was made to look dumb, first in her pitiful attempts with Tyson and Coach and then at Tribal where even Jeff couldn’t understand her. There was also JT and Stephen saying that they hated her, JT even saying she was a lying beyotch. Erinn wasn’t alone in her negative comments. Afterall, the snake was poised to strike her and there are still many snakes around.
I think most has been said about Coach so all I’ll add is this episode softened his image, probably telling us that the editors had their fun with the “Egomaniac Coach” and it’s time to let him leave in some humane fashion.
Debbie cannot win even in a huge surprise like Bob last season. She had no story for a whole season despite showing signs of being a fun person to have around. Debbie, because she was given the confessional about home and family during the reward, will probably leave after she gets a family visit.
Taj’s story has been stuck on the sand dune just like her puck during the challenge. I suspect that a conflict will come up about her idol being in Stephen’s possession even if that idol seems completely useless right now. After that, something will happen that will snap Taj’s neck just like Jeff said the board could have done.
JT: “I found it very troubling that most of JT’s episode was to show his hatred for Sierra and his handshake with Coach. Yes, there was his smart confessional about sending Stephen to the Sand Dune but it amounted to one big disappointment. I don’t remember a winner going on a cultural reward and being ignored like JT was in this episode. True, he starred in the white-water reward but you’d still expect some nice words from him in an episode that pictured him as a ruthless player.
It's hard to say how the fact that he wasn't called out for not competing in the challenge can be interpreted. Jeff had plenty of fun moments during TC without it so maybe just showing him on screen as Tyson ranted against Coach was enough for the viewers to get the point.
Stephen: Once more, we shared his Exile Dune experience which bodes well for his chances. Hearing him count on finding a second idol seemed odd for someone who is presented as the master mind. Why would he need it at this point, unless it was to show that he could be too dependant on the idol. Seeing him surrounded by vultures seemed ominous.
Also, for the supposed master mind, he didn’t get the credit for what could be the pivotal move of the season. It was presented as Erinn’s idea and JT’s decision, Stephen mainly acting as middle-man.
With much more good editing notes than bad ones, Stephen could very well be our winner, the one that is in control of the season. Like JT, it could be good that Jeff never brought up the fact that he didn't compete in the challenge, especially because he had the implied excuse of returning from Exile but wouldn't an explanation have been in order?
His story could still be about how he outsmarted himself.
Erinn: Her demise could come from wanting to make too many moves. She may feel that she has no chance to win against Taj, Stephen and JT so she could want to go back to the hated Timbiras. The problem with that is that Coach doesn’t appear to be as hated by the players as he is by the viewers.
Did Erinn move too soon? From an editing point of view since that is what we heard her say, should she have waited to get rid of Sierra before changing the game? I believe not because of the way the move against Tyson was presented: It was an opportunity not to be missed and we heard that Sierra wouldn’t even need to be filled in on the plan. That was telling us that Sierra didn’t matter anymore already.
Erinn’s story arc pointed in a direction that could land her in the winning seat. That confessional about not wanting to let others make her decisions was the center story of this episode. The way it was presented had symbolic value: We first saw Erinn approaching Tyson from behind, figuratively already stabbing him and then she stood next to Sierra, the admitted follower, as she told us the importance of making your own choices.

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04-25-09, 11:07 PM (EST)

128. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

wow michel,
another stellar analysis and beautiful summary of the episode!
What I found most interesting about this episode was that it was practically all about Timbira’s inner turmoil. In key scenes, the 3 Jalapaos were completely absent. Stephen and JT had good episodes but something felt wrong for them as if they were not part of the main plot. Despite being in control of the game, it seems that Jalapao won’t be deciding it. It always comes back to old Timbira.
YES. Although I see this as more positive for Jalapao than you do, because it's such good game play to let Timbira destroy itself. Taj said something like "you all do what you need to do and we'll come in afterwards." So far her assessment is proving accurate, whereas the plans of the people who had the game nailed tight are in total disarray."
In the long term, does that mean that Timbira decides the game because they are all on the jury or because one of their own wins in the end?
well, my problem with having a Timbira win is that Coach is the only man left, and I do not believe he wins or that any woman can win this game going up against a man. The men are getting all the respect for gameplay. They have brought the alliances together and the women have accepted. Not good.
I think if Debbie HAD gotten to the end we would have seen a better edit of her, showing her social game. But we haven't seen it, so she didn't get there. But, it she had, I think Debbie could get votes from the Warrior Alliance, whereas neither Sierra nor Erinn will.
I think Erinn could not have won against anyone but Sierra. She will not get votes as a Timbira, since she defected. She has played no social game at all, except with Joe, who left. Taj has played a social game, but we're no longer seeing it, so I rule her out too. Everyone hates Sierra. Ergo, there is no woman left in the game who could win against any of the remaining men. (Totally my opinion from watching them respond to each other.)
In the short term, it seems that Timbira’s conflicts are boiling down to a confrontation between Sierra and Erinn. Their animosity had long been hidden but it surfaced this week. Erinn had a key confessional about Sierra being dumb even if she was right. Sierra reminded Coach that he didn’t want Erinn to outlast her.
It feels as if one of these two has to go next. Which one?
A really neat observation. I think Sierra has to go next, but the misdirection will be whether it's going to be Sierra, Coach, or Debbie. I do not think Erinn will be flip-flopping this episode because she has nothing going with the remaining Timbira.
This is how I see the story of Jalapao and Timbira. Jalapao was a functional tribe that worked together well and had no major animosities. However, Brendan and Tyson were so strong at challenges that they lost the numbers, despite JT's valiant efforts.
Timbira was a dysfunctional tribe cursed by winning so that they couldn't duke it out between the strong personalities prior to the merge. They welcomed the enemy in as nicer people than their own members. The enemy was like a Trojan horse and betrayed them. Now both of Timbira's really strong players are gone and the remainder isn't unified at all. The only leader left is Coach, playing a weird "I won't lie" game with liars.
Erinn has dumped them; they have lost the numbers. Jalapao will soon be 50% of the remainder, I'm sure.
Erinn is edited as a person without loyalties or friendships, somewhat less disliked than Sierra. I don't share the perception that this is a good edit, having made no friends in 27 days (other than Joe, who thought she is attractive). She's also been edited as a flipper.
We have been shown that JT feels bad about breaking his word to Coach. I would not be surprised if JT and Stephen leave Coach and Debbie alone for now as a way of making atonement. Returning to the pecking order of the "worthy" by taking out Sierra.
I see the story more like the Jalapao were lambs thrown in with the wolves only to see the wolves tear each other apart. It will be so ironic if Jalapao are all of the F3, or 3 of the F4.
Reminds me a little of Cook Islands, where the Aitu tribe came in with 4 against 6 and ended up the F4 (with the help of Jonathan). I also remember that Yul bought Adam's vote by agreeing to get rid of Jonathan before the last two "loyal" Raro. I could see JT making a similar deal with Coach.
Re Stephen and Erinn:
Also, for the supposed master mind, he didn’t get the credit for what could be the pivotal move of the season. It was presented as Erinn’s idea and JT’s decision, Stephen mainly acting as middle-man.
I guess this one goes to bias ... you like Erinn's edit and saw her part in it as the strongest. I am pro-Stephen as the underdog who could, and saw him as the one who sealed the deal. Yes, the middleman, but without the middleman there wouldn't have been a move. Stephen sold it to JT, not Erinn.
My take was that Stephen was already totally on board with the Tyson boot and just jumped on it boom as soon as Erinn brought it up. As in Yesss, we need Erinn and now I don't have to sell it to her because she brought it up, which means we can trust her to really vote Tyson.
I think Stephen wanted Tyson but to try and fail would have been deadly so he needed the overture. He totally finessed JT by making him envision himself, JT, winning the necklace time after time, which would not happen unless Tyson left.
I guess I was more impressed with the way Stephen ran with the ball than with Erinn tossing it out there.
My prejudice against Erinn is mainly that it's hard to win this game without at least one solid ally, and this season has focused on alliances a lot, personal bonds. Erinn has none.
If she were really smart about it I think she would right now go to Coach and Debbie and Sierra and they would take out JT, and if he won immunity, Stephen. But she won't, because she's been wanting to ditch those guys forever.
Other than seeing Erinn differently than you, I loved the points you made. I agree it was odd how JT was ignored on the reward. He might as well not have been there. It was all Timbira.
However, the Gabon reward was used to humanize Corinne a little, who was soon to go. This reward gave them a chance to let us get to know a couple of hidden characters, Erinn and Debbie, and to say goodbye to Tyson. Maybe JT has had enough face time for now. I don't know.
I don't think it boded that well for either Debbie or Erinn to get all that face time. It felt like getting to know them before they leave. Also, Erinn's response to the culture wasn't that great. It wasn't like Ozzy's wonderful showcase in the Cooks where he totally GOT it and related it back to the game.
This was just like, oh boy, food, strange dancing, oops, throw up. In fact there was no wonderful chemistry with the Brazilians. The Brazilians thought the survivors were weird and uncouth. Debbie liked the kids because they reminded her of HER kids ... if I were the Brazilians I wouldn't be too thrilled with the showcase.
Maybe there was nothing great to show about JT, and they didn't want to show anything negative, I don't know.

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130. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

I guess I was more impressed with the way Stephen ran with the ball than with Erinn tossing it out there.
for what it's worth, I'm still not convinced she did toss it out there. As someone (sorry, I forget who) noted in another thread the scene with Erinn, Stephen & Taj in the shelter seemed heavily manipulated. We don't even see Erinn say “You know what we could do tonight? He doesn’t have immunity.” She could just as easily have been talking about Coach. And Stephens response “I think we might just take out Tyson. We might not get another chance…" seems like an initiating statement or a rebuttal, but not just an agreement. And why would he further ask Erinn “You’re a 100% with us, right?” if it had been her idea to begin with?
the question is was this secene manipulated to give Erinn credit or blame?

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133. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

The scene probably was chopped up. Whether manipulated to give an impression or merely truncated because the editors had little time to convey the story I don't know, but I couldn't buy into Georjanna's idea in this case (many other G ideas, yes!).
This statement:
>>>“You know what we could do tonight? He doesn’t have immunity.”
makes no sense applied to anyone BUT Tyson. Coach has never had immunity. The whole point of making this move before booting Sierra was that Tyson would likely win any challenge that wasn't dumb luck, like the shuffleboard, and they might not have another chance.
The folks here knew he would be targeted for that reason, and that's exactly how it developed. Do I give Erinn a ton of credit for the plan? No. It was the obvious move to make. The only person who needed to be sold was JT, because it would mean he had seriously blown the credibility of his word, and that can really bite someone. Stephen sold it to JT and so I give him credit.

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04-26-09, 02:22 PM (EST)

134. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

OFG, I really like how you balance my analysis with your own interpretation. I know that I could be wrong about Erinn and your arguments point that out. There were a few I want to comment on:

"I see this as more positive for Jalapao than you do, because it's such good game play to let Timbira destroy itself. Taj said something like "you all do what you need to do and we'll come in afterwards."
Very true except for the fact that only Taj is laying back. Stephen and JT are still presented as scheming but almost in a parallel, side-story to Timbira.
(It's almost like a CSI episode when they have two crimes to solve but one is merely filler to the one that is the really intriguing one.)

"I do not believe... that any woman can win this game going up against a man. The men are getting all the respect for gameplay. They have brought the alliances together and the women have accepted."
Thank you for this observation. Yes, the men have dominated the alliances but do you know how this can be turned around by the eidtors? It could be very simple because all the big alliances have failed. All they had to do was show those alliances and make them look powerful. The super-hyped Exile Alliance didn't last 2 episodes after the merge. The "Warrior Alliance" lasted less than 3 episodes and didn't we hear that it would be stupid to chicken out? Isn't that indirect blame on Stephen and JT?
Maybe the story is that building super-secret alliances demands too much trust. It would then be the role of the player who was intentionally shown has having no alliances but took the time on the truck ride to size up the players, took the time to see who could be trusted, to finally make the move that beats them all.
Haven't we been shown that trust was given much too freely? Coach in episode #1 going to Brendan, raising a red flag. JT believing Stephen is 100% true to him. Taj giving her idol to Stephen. Coach and JT trusting each other the moment they merged. Compare that to Erinn's wise remark during the first TC about not knowing if she could trust them.
Yes, Stephen also often said he didn't trust people 100% which joins that thematic. It would be too easy if I could just eliminate him! I don't know if Erinn's story is the winner's story but there is a full story there, every scene she had connecting to this moment.
As far as how she gets the vote, I don't worry about that when analyzing the edit. Coach, Debbie and Tyson could certainly feel that JT and Stephen were the ones that defected. JT shaking Coach's hand and giving his word could come back to haunt him like Twila swearing on her son's life to Ami and Leann.

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137. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

hey michel,
those are very good points and I really have nothing to refute them. If all the alliances fell apart Erinn could have a good story from here on out, for sure. I agree that all the much-touted alliances haven't been worth the breath wasted on them.
Actually what I meant about the women not getting respect for game play (so far) has been not so much in alliances but just in how we're shown players talking about their concerns. No one has said they like or fear one of the female players as competition.
While that could be stupid hubris, not even the women are worried about the women, whereas in FvF, the last season that a woman won, there was plenty of concern about what the women could get done, even though there were cocky males in the picture to.
Can Erinn capitalize on that lack of people worrying about her? Sure. But for the editors not to show anyone as worried about her until too late would resemble the Danni story in Guatemala.
We will indeed see. Your points are great.
Ps. Re that Taj quote, I didn't mean Jalapao was doing nothing, but that for one episode they let Timbira get their help and didn't appear to be the schemers. Obviously that changed with the Tyson boot, and maybe it was premature. IF all the Timbira were to rally together, they have the numbers. But I don't think they will, because of Erinn. That does make her key to the outcome of the game. Just not sure if she makes it all the way after turning the game on its head.

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131. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

I know you're the biggest fan of Erinn out there (I don't hate her but I prefer Sierra to her), so as Sierra's biggest fan I'll just suggest that maybe Sierra will outlast her tormentors -- I hope. After all, she was the one who had the worst first impression, and it might be great to have the one who had the worst first impression win it all.
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I don't know if I qualify as a "fan", but I am with you on this. It would be fun to see meekest, weakest (as far as we can tell from her edit) and least liked (and likely) character to win.
And meanwhile, she is getting a lot of flack for begging "Coach" for mercy. But isn't that what one does before a "God"? Genuflect, kneel and beg for mercy. I don't see how anything else, other than a show of abject remorse whould have moved him in the slightest, and she needs all the help she can get.

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135. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

LAST EDITED ON 04-26-09 AT 02:36 PM (EST)
Belle Book, I'd just like to clarify that I'm not a fan of Erinn. I like the story that I think I see the editors are presenting. If that story is more imagined than reality, I'll just have to rewatch the season to see what I missed.
If I were a fan of someone, it would be Stephen because that would be the way I would hope to play this game.
As I pointed out, Sierra could outlast Erinn but, if she does, I don't see how she could be anything more than a frustrated finalist. We have heard too often how she doesn't care if she goes home, that she is angry and that everyone hates her. That's not how Survivor usually presents the winner.

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136. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

LAST EDITED ON 04-26-09 AT 03:34 PM (EST)
Ah, I see. I understand where you're coming from about Erinn. We'll just have to wait and see on Erinn's story. However, there is one thing I should point out about something you just said: *We have heard too often how she doesn't care if she goes home, that she is angry and that everyone hates her.* I think we only heard that after Brendan was gone -- or maybe around the time people were seriously beginning to target him. I don't think we heard that before then. Before then, we heard about Sierra overcoming a negative first impression and then that story faded a bit. Maybe this is the second act of it -- or maybe I'm just clinging to hope and deluding myself. We'll have to wait and see on that as well.
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138. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

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GREAT observations and thoughts everyone...here is my take...
Previously on Survivor: At newly merged, Forza, Coach and Tyson put together an alliance, and they targeted one of their own. While Sierra and Brendan tried to pull in the Jalapao 3, setting the stage for a show down between Brendan and Coach. "When it comes head to head, we'll see who really was the chosen one", and the old Jalopao tribe found themselves in an unlikely position. JT said to Stephen, "Would you say that we're in control of this game right now?" and Stephen replied, "yes, I'd definately say that we are in control of this game right now." At the IC, Tyson won his 2nd immunity in a row, and at TC, Brendan thought his plan was in the bag, and didn't play his idol. The old Jalapao tribe sided with Coach's alliance, first member of the jury was Brendan, leaving Sierra in an alliance of one, 8 are left, who will be voted out tonight?
Forza, Night 24:
Coach: "How awesome was that?",
Erinn: "Awesome!",
Tyson: "Sierra, you've got to admit...",
Sierra: "Yeah, you guys are...",
Tyson: "Pretty bad #####!"
Sierra: "Obviously, I know I'm the next to go,(Stephen and JT are shown, as though her selection as the boot is dependent on them), let's just try and make these next couple days congenial, I guess, whatever..."
Sierra in Confessional: "Last night was probably the worst night I've had out here, and right now I'm just tried and kinda hurt and I just wanna disappear..."
Sierra: "Can I please have a conversation with you?" Coach agrees...
Confessional Sierra: "I don't think I'm a bed person for writing Coach's name down, although it was a very hard choice to make...
To Coach: "I've never planned on ever voting for you and I'm being 100% honest with you..."
Coach: Every decision you've made is bad, yu could have written down anybody elses name in this game that doesn't have the character that I have...Everybody out here has lied except or me..."
Sierra: "You're right..."
Coach in confessional: "I knew that Sierra would want to assuage her guilt, massage it, make herself feel rationalized and justified inside, that's what we do when we make poor decisions in life..."
Coach to Sierra: "But, you have to realize something, in war...in love and war, it's kill or be killed, so you pitted yourself against me, and Brendan pitted himself against me, who deserves to go next?"
The introductory scene is all about Sierra back peddling and making the appeal to the self proclaimed leader, Coach...the stage is set for the entire episode and Sierra is starring in the featured role as prime boot candidate, which we now know is classic misdirection...
Cut to Survivor theme...
Forza, Day 25: Hawk flying overhead, with a native music playing, as they zoom in on Coach in the water during morning meditation...
Coach in confessional: "I came down to the water this morning to celebrate the victory over Brendan. Throughout the entrie meditation there was this feeling of peace, that just kinda settled over me and permeated my every fiber. For me to pit myself against somebody who is younger than me, that is faster than me, and may be stronger than me, although I bench press 300# and we were talking 3 days ago and he was like, really? Because, he doesn't do that...
...to defeat a worthy opponent like that, at this stage of the game, the peice de resistance, the dragon slayer has vanquished the dragon once and for all....as he screams on the rock, "OVER!" "The battle has already been won, victory is mine!" Cut to Tai chi and zoom out...
Coach is seen basking in his victory...I can't help but wonder how he will react if he fails at some point...
Sierra says to the tribe: "Well, it just all started with the way I started off with a rocky start and I latched onto someone else, I guess I was blinded, so I'm not gonna even say that I was'nt...
JT Confessional: "Tribal Council went has planned, Brendan didn't have a clue what was coming. Sierra was really shocked. Stephen and I could have decided who went home last night and we decided. We went with the warrier alliance, with the way things are going, we are happy to have Sierra go next..."
I am concerned that JT may not win, as we see that he continues to be the narrator of events...
Then Sierra talks to Debbie and she notes: "But, he was holding what I thought was the most powerful thing in this game! He was holding the idol, so, therefore...
Tyson interrupts: "The most powerful thing is FRIENDS!"
(yes, Tyson, it is, and do you know who your friends are?)
Sierra then appeals to Tyson. She first apologizes for her bad choices, but he notes that she did go "on a massacre" against Coach, and he likes to see her scramble and mope, and it's funny...he notes that trust is the most important thing here(classic foreshadowing!), he notes that she wasn't smart enough to be the mastermind...he ends the conversation with: "I'm gonna be straight up, 100% honest with you right now, You are probably gonna be the next to go and you are not gonna be able to change that." This was followed by percussion that sounds like a rattle snake...I think, okay, a snake is going to thwart this plan and it squarely places Tyson as the one to be bitten...
Cut to Challenge:
Jiffy: "Divided into 2 teams of 4, on my go, 2 race to collect large puzzle boards, and bring back...next 2 go, have them all arrange in their slots then flip and rotate the boards so all holes line up, revealing 7 vowels. Then take those vowels with the 7 consonants and arrange to form a 4 word phrase. Winning team will be treated to local entertainment and local food.(we see Debbie, Erinn, and Sierra).
You'll be treated to Brazilian Martial Arts(see Taj and Coach is really excited), Dance, and music, and feast, winning team will send another to EI(see Deb, Erinn, Sierra, Taj)
Red team: JT, Deb, Erinn, Tyson
Black team: Coach, Stephen, Sierra, Taj
The race starts and Taj notes: "Damn, JT is so fast"
"Careful Taj, it'll snap your neck"
Ends and Debbie and Tyson hug, JT notes that Stephen's gotta go to EI...this challenge showed me that Debbie was better at puzzles than Erinn...which I will store for a rainy day...
JT in confessional: "Brendan's gone, the idol's out of play, thought there's another idol placed, Stephen's gotta go to ensure that Sierra doesn't get the idol if there is one placed out..."
Jiffy notes: "Coach you continue to lose out on these nice rewards, all that life experience, not helping you out here."
Coach: "No, I didn't line up boards like this out in the Amazon" ...a smile from Sierra and a salute from Coach...and I think that despite all of Coach's life experiences, they will not help him to win this game...as Jiffy has just noted
Cut to the reward...Erinn and Debbie were the two who tell us about it and I agree, Debbie had the connection to the Brazilian natives, while Erinn really did not...with her recap of how they ate, then danced, then she regurgitated...
Cut to Stephen on exile where he finds clue number 7 and dismisses that there is a new idol...now, Jiffy noted in his preview that the person sent to EI in this episode would have a life changing as well as game changing experience..??? So, I am led to believe that perhaps another idol has indeed been placed in the tree mail, but we aren't shown it...will it be shown later, or is Jiffy full of BS?
Forza, Day 26: Sierra is talking to Deb and Erinn and Coach are in the background, Erinn buts in to their conversation, "That's the choice you made", then later asks, "who's the other liars?", "I just want to know who you are talking about, if there are liars amongst us, I'd like to know who they are?" and Sierra: "Well, you'd be the last person that I'd tell..."
Erinn: "Oh...so, it's like that!," Erinn looks smug, amused, and arrogant to me.
Erinn: "Well, you are saying the same thing over and over and over again, and like I think we are just done here today." Sierra gets up to leave and tells them to eat without her...Erinn says, "OK".
Erinn ends the scene with a confessional: "As much as Sierra annoys me to death, and I think that she's so dumb she's right, everything she said is totally true! Once Sierra is no longer with us, the game will change! I am the one who is going to turn it all on it's head, GUILTY as charged!" (So, this tells me that Erinn has plans to align with the Jalapao 3, and turn on Coach and Tyson as soon as Sierra is gone...she does have a plan and a strategy, but will she really have an alliance that has her back, or will she be just a pawn to be used by others? I also can't dismiss that she, too, is starting to sound a little arrogant here.)
Forza, Day 27, we see a striking snake...Sierra goes and tries to appeal to Coach...where she asks him, "how do you save the kind enemy", and he notes that this is killing him to have this kid asking me to throw her a bone because she's going through so much trials, it breaks his heart...Sierra ends the scene with a glimmer of hope, but feels immunity is her only chance of pulling through this.
Cut to the IC:
AS the rain begins...Coach yells to Stephen, Stephen: "Hello, oh I missed you guys(as ERINN is seen). Taj and Tyson high five him. "I missed the body warmth(see Erinn, says, "get in here"), then he goes right over to his best buddy, JT, he hugs JT and squeezes in right between JT and Coach...
Jiffy: "ready to get to todays challenge (Taj seen)
Jiffy: "Tyson, take back the necklace, (JT seen, as though JT is the one that covets the necklace the most?)...Tyson is shivering.
"Tyson has had this both times it's been up for grabs, will he get it a third time? (Yes, that is the question of the hour!), we see them ALL shivering.
Jiffy: "Survivor version of shuffle board, person whose puck ends up closest to the center will win imunity and a guarenteed(Taj and Tyson seen) 1 in 7 shot at winning the million(Stephen shown) dollars(at the end of the statement, ERINN shown!)...Wow...this makes me think that either Stephen or Erinn will win the million dollars???!!!)
Jiffy: Losers go to TC where somebody will be voted out of this game. (Shot of all of them freezing). There is a twist. If you feel so confident that you don't need immunity, you can skip the challenge and instead you can eat...See Stephen and he says, "Oh God, thank you". "You each are gonna get a rock, if you want to play, show me the rock, if you want to eat, show me an empty hand."
JT, Stephen, and Coach choose to eat, Coach whispers to Tyson, "Thanks, man!"
Tyson in confessional: "So Coach is hungry enough to quit a game and eat pizza, (see JT). When do I get to eat my pizza, dude? I've been winning all these challenges, you know they should let me have pizza. They are not worried about sealing the deal to get rid of Sierra."
Then we hear storm and thunder...as we see JT, Stephen, Coach, eat as long as the challenge goes.
The challenge ensues...
Sierra is first, 3 shots, rotate the order. Sierra is short...
Taj goes a little long
Erinn, nobody having much luck yet
Tyson, all Tyson does is block the road for everybody else
2nd round:
Deb with a nice shot
Taj, Tyson gets a bump frm Taj, Tyson is the mark to beat
Erinn, lies inside of Tyson, Erinn is now the closest
Tyson is once again blocks the road
Sierra moves Tyson, and she is into the lead
Taj, nothing but a sand dune
Erinn knocks out Sierra's closest puck
Tyson increases his lead, still the mark to beat
Sierra knocks out Tyson, she is now the mark to beat
I think Tyson was the mark to beat this week, will Sierra become the mark to beat next week?
Coach confessional: "Wen Sierra is doing her little dance, I thought I might have screwed everything up, should I have been out there competing, yeah, I should have been..."
Deb, and she does, Debbie wins the IC, this challenge is over, drop it, Stephen and Debbie hug, "the Middle School Principal has a 1 in 7 shot of winning this game, as for the rest(Erinn shown) of you, after 27 days(Erinn shown), 1 of you, (Taj shown), is going home(Sierra shown) tonight...See Coach patting Sierra's back.
Sierra: "What I needed to do was win that IC and it didn't happen so a small part of me is "maybe that's my fate", but there is a large part of me that is praying for a miracle"
Cut to camp:
Tyson: Debbie, if I'd have known you were gonna win, I would of sat down and eaten a 1/2 a slice of pizza!
JT, the narrator tells us: "I'm excited you won, that could'nt have worked out any better...
Tyson notes to Debbie: "There is nothing awesomer than seeing someone celebrate before the game is over...did you see her dancing around?" I think, touchee, Tyson, you have been gloating and dancing around for weeks now, before the game is over.
Tyson in confessional: "I would have liked to have the IN again, thought I would of been a pretty bad #####, if I'd have won it for a 3rd time, but tonight TC is gonna be awesome, I'm hoping that Sierra will cry alot...
Cut to Erinn, Taj, Stephen in the tent:
Erinn:"I do not want to go to TC in the rain..."
Taj: "Oh God"
Erinn: "You know what we could do tonight? He doesn't have immunity"
Taj: "I know"
Stephen: "I think we might just take out Tyson. We might not get another chance".
Erinn: "That's true"
Stephen: "This is like a golden opportunity knocking, what the hell, I really like him, but, we're playing a freaking game for a million dollars!"
Taj: "Talk to JT, and let me know what you all want to do..."(I feel like Taj should be saying, just get this game over with, and tell me who the winner is at the end of it...she is letting everybody else play the game without her...she seems like she is on auto-pilot riding the strong coat tails of JT and Stephen)
Stephen: "Everyone at camp's just going to hate each other...
Stephen to Erinn: "You are 100% with us, right?"
Erinn: "Absolutely"
Erinn in Confessional: "Tyson is such a physical competitor, he may win every challenge out her, we got lucky today and someone else won, so we have to get rid of Tyson. and, this just might be the chance to do it. It could be Tyson or Sierra tonight."
"This is not an easy decision, but, I know that there is a no way I can win this game by just hanging out and letting other people make my decisions for me."
HUGE, HUGE, HUGE confessional for Erinn...FINALLY, she wakes up and tells us that she needs to start playing this game, much as Bob did when Marcus got the boot. To me, it was indeed Erinn, who gets the credit for suggesting Tyson as the target, and with this confessional, she TELLS us that it was her decision, not Stephen's. She is not going to be Sierra, who is the one that seems to just hang out and let others make decisions for her(Sierra will not win this game and now I think that Erinn will outlast her), nor is she going to be a Taj, that essentially does the same thing...as we just saw. BUT, and there is always a but, this also reminds me of the stellar episode that Brendan had, just prior to his boot episode, remember, he had laid low, Veruca noted his "low key" nature, and everybody was scared as Brendan had not given them any signs that he was with them, then, just as Erinn has not been with anyone but herself the entire game, and now is making decisions, just as Brendan did. Brendan told us that he held the cards, had the idol and wasn't afraid to use it, as michel noted, he was starting to sound arrogant, than BAM, was blindsided. Will Erinn suffer the same fate as Brendan and be blindsided? I think perhaps that will depend on whether or not we see her in the next episode feeling arrogant and too cocky, just as Brendan and Tyson and Coach are all feeling. We'll see, but alas, Erinn is clearly playing the game.
Stephen to Taj: "Do you think Erinn is solid?"
Taj: "I hope so" (as Coach hugs Erinn), then there is a spider seen....I think, hmmmm, is Erinn the spider that will come back and bite all of them?
JT and Stephen...JT: We got to decide what we're doing tonight...Who do you think is going home tonight? (JT is deferring to Stephen, imo...?)
Stephen: "I think it's going to be Tyson, it might be our only chance...
JT: "If we're doing it, that's a big move!"(Tyson seen in the foreground). I hate to make it this early because we are stuck with Sierra."
Stephen: "If we don't take out Tyson now, he could go on a run, and it happens every season someone goes on a run...let's make it you!"
JT: Smiles, "you've got alot of faith in me...are they looking at you?"
Stephen: "Sierra is. No."
JT: Sierra is a lying beyotch and I hate her."
Stephen: "I hate her, too".
JT: "And, I want to get her away from my face, dude."
JT in confessional: If we stick through with this plan that we're talking about, Stephen, myself, Erinn, and Taj, we get rid of Tyson, we could do it without talking to Sierra. We have the numbers, but, it's gonna go against the warrier alliance that Coach has worked so hard to build here, so it's gonna be a tough decision.
Coach to JT: "Recount the plan", JT says, "OK", Coach: "Sierra's going tonight, no brainer", JT: "OK", Of my top priorities at this point is to go to the 5 with the warrier alliance. It would be stupid if we made an alliance, gave it a name, banded the name about, talked about ourselves as warriers, then chickened out at the last second. I know I can trust you, and that's so important to me..."
JT: "You have my word" and we see them shake on it.
Confessional from JT: "It's really gonna crush Coach, if I go through with this move, to get rid of Tyson, it's really gonna crush him. I don't know what I'm gonna do, man!"
This scene shows the drama of the conflicted, JT. But, definately JT does not get the credit for blindsiding Tyson, yet, it appears as if he'll be the one to get the blame from Coach...hmmm?
TC ensues...Brendan was blindsided, Sierra you looked stunned...she was, but "nobody's blindsiding me today"...Tyson is not too concerned that it will be him as he's aligned with the right people...(ha), he loves everyone but Sierra. She points out how really strong Tyson is...Coach wants to go to the end with the worthy warriers, he is a man of his word, and JT can take that to the bank, and Coach can look in JT's eyes and knows he is a man of his word...Vote...
Tyson
And Jiffy notes that it is a battle to the end!
Clearly, this episode set up the boot to be between Sierra and Tyson and Tyson was indeed blindsided, just when he thought the game was his...clearly this episode featured Erinn...from someone who was at the bottom of the Timbira food chain for so long, she has flipped to a group that is receptive to her, and has started making her own decisions...Will it get her to the end, or if she starts owning all of the decisions, will she be blindsided soon? I don't know.
Regarding the other girls...Taj, Sierra, and Debbie...surely one of them will make it to the F3, but I don't give them really any credit for game play. Taj is clearly letting everyone else make all of the decisions, she is just a vote. I think Sierra's story was that she has survived, twice now, the impressions that EVERYBODY had of her, and Debbie, clearly is a tag-a-long as well that now has received a nice little bit on how she misses her kids. I don't see any of them as the winner.
Regarding my choice for winner, JT, he could just be that...my CHOICE for the winner. When is JT going to start winning some challenges, what is he waiting for, is he pulling a "Matty", and not going to win ANY? He does appear to be a narrator...but Stephen, while definitively had a journey spotlight last week, as per Bob and Earl, to me he's just a tool at this point, and at times has appeared to be a conflicted tool, not like a Yul winner at all, nor even a Todd....clearly, these two will make it to the final 4, but it will be interesting to see what happens from there...Stephen reminds us that this is a game for a million dollars...? I kind of think that Erinn is ripe for a near blindside, but I dunno...
The one with the finished story, imo, is indeed Sierra...we'll see!

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139. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

At some point what was it that Coach said if he was in charge how well Timbira would do? >slap<
I digress but that was a major case of be careful what you wish for. Once he slayed the dragon and honked his horn about it, his tribe began to fall apart. You point this out here:

Coach is seen basking in his victory...I can't help but wonder how he will react if he fails at some point...
How will he react? He'll say something like they went against me and I had to vanquish them, it's all part of being Coach.
a salute from Coach...and I think that despite all of Coach's life experiences, they will not help him to win this game...as Jiffy has just noted..
Yes but there will be someway in Coachworld that that would be a victory, there is no way he'll accept a loss. He can twist reality better then anyone I've ever heard.
Very nice review FP, I'm enjoying everyone's thoughts as usual.
I'll enjoy the rest of the season and it will be fascinating to see how it all shakes out.
Keep up the good analysis everyone!
Your faithful constant reader,

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140. "RE: The Players, The Game, The Editing - Survivor Tocantins"

Why did the Editors include the Debbie kissing gesture?
1. To misdirect us into thinking she goes to Exile? (likely).
2. To let us know in a straightforward way that she is going to Exile? (Maybe - EPMB is sneaky with those non-misdirects).
3. To create misdirect us into thinking she is wishing someone else well who is going to Exile? (I think this is unlikely, because it doesn't really misdirect us in to thinking anything specific about anyone).
4. To make us think that she is mad at someone and is giving them the kiss off? (again, the non-specificity makes this a usless misdirect. Could tie into the "Blowup" clue though).
5. After an "away" reward, to natives as they are leaving? (unlikely, that was last week).
6. Saying bye to a loved one as he/she is leaving? (The loved ones visit could be due, but they usually play that up in advance).
That's all that occurs to me, and of the bunch, I'd say the first was the most likely, and Debbie doesn't go to Exile.

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141. "Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

The recap was edited in a new way, with no voice-over narration from Jeff. The thing to note was that Stephen was portrayed as the power player in voting out Tyson. We didn’t hear Erinn proposing voting for Tyson nor did we hear JT saying he had to decide which way to go. Instead, we saw Stephen telling first Erinn and later JT that they had to seize the opportunity to eliminate Tyson and, just like that, Jeff read the final vote against Tyson.
Forza
Night 27
Sierra had the first confessional: “I thought I was going home… It’s crazy! I couldn’t have asked for a better tribal.”
In camp, JT was explaining to Coach and Debbie why they had to leave them out of the loop. Debbie said “It’s a good move guys and I appreciate you not telling me.”
Coach added: “Bold and brilliant. I’ve got really good intuition but I didn’t see it coming.”
Stephen’s confessional gave the viewers the real reason: “We didn’t want them scrambling and changing their plans. We knew what their votes were going to be, we could safely get rid of Tyson without telling them. Both Debbie and Coach realized that the tribe dynamics had suddenly dramatically shifted and they were trying to curry favor with us. Basically, anything we had done was the greatest thing that had ever been accomplished. What a tremendous blindside! It worried me a little bit because I would rather have an honest blow-out than have people smiling at me… and plotting something else.”
The first scene ended with Coach saying he had no hard feelings.
Forza
Day 28
Debbie wanted to know what the next moves would be.
In unison, JT and Stephen answered: “Sierra and Erinn.”
JT added: “I trust you completely Debbie. There’s no reason why we can’t be in the final 4, you, Stephen, myself and Coach.”
Debbie in confessional: “I am recoiling to figure out exactly what my next move is, kind of like a snake. Stephen, JT and I talked about all of us being there towards the end but do you believe them? That’s the question of the day.”
To Coach, Debbie expressed that she was upset about the move. She told Coach that, after they get rid of Sierra and Erinn, “THEN they have everything they need. They can take me out and they can take you out.”
Debbie’s confessional continued: “I would have bet my life that Tyson was still going to be here today. There’s no downtime, you’ve got to work your people. Ever move is critical and the next two people supposably (sic) on the chopping block are Erinn and Sierra. That takes Timbira down to 2. Then, where do we go? If we could pull all the Timbira tribe members back together… we would outnumber the Jalapao…and maybe gain control of this game again.”
The Reward Challenge
The challenge was the equivalent of the Coconut-Chop, the perfect challenge to reveal where everyone stands. Jeff even said: “Today, we are going to see how well in tune you are with the rest of the tribe.”
1st Question: “Who has not lived up to their potential?”
The answer was Coach.
Everyone had it right except JT and Stephen who answered Sierra.
They laughed when Jeff pointed out that Coach got it right.
Erinn chopped a surprised Sierra.
Debbie went for JT even if she said she loved him.
Taj chopped Debbie’s first rope even if they love each other.
Coach “whacked” a surprised Sierra.
Sierra retaliated, saying she was going after Coach anyway.
Q2: “Who would squander the million dollars the quickest?”
The right answer, known to anyone who watched the pre-season videos, was Sierra.
Stephen had guessed Taj, Sierra and Taj said Debbie and Coach said Erinn.
Debbie gave Erinn her first hit.
JT put a disappointed Sierra out of the challenge… but not out of her misery.
Sierra had a confessional: “Everyone hacked my rope first. I think a lot of people are hard on me because they want me to go home. It hurts.”
Erinn gave Debbie a second chop.
Q3: Who would never survive on their own?
The answer was Debbie. She laughed it off, saying it was because she would have no one to talk to.
JT and Coach wrongly answered Sierra.
Taj went after Coach.
Erinn quickly finished him off.
Stephen made his first chop and crushed Debbie’s statue.
Debbie made her final hit on Erinn who said she had that coming.
With Sierra, Coach and Debbie sitting on the bench, Stephen and Taj with all their ropes intact while JT had only 1 hit, one would assume that the scales would fall off Coach and Debbie’s eyes. It’s fun to note that, as in the game, Timbira went mostly after each other.
Q4: “Who would you trust with your life?”
The unanimous answer was JT.
We heard Stephen say that this was a gimme. Interestingly because, up to now, JT trusted Stephen 100% while Stephen was supposed to have some reservations.
JT (solo): “I don’t know why everyone trusts me so much but, in this game, I’m not so trustworthy. It seems like people would catch on to that. It may be the ace in this game, I don’t know.”
Taj gave JT his second hit.
JT took Erinn out of the challenge and she retaliated immediately.
With some force, Stephen gave Taj her first hit, saying: “It is on!”
Q5: Who is most likely to stab you in the back?
Jeff said this was not an easy question to answer but Taj and Stephen proved otherwise, correctly answering Sierra, twisting the knife in her wound once more.
Q6: “Who would you least like to see win this game?”
Taj answered Coach.
Stephen answered Sierra and won the challenge.
As winner, Stephen sent Erinn to Exile Dune, Jeff noting that she didn’t look happy.
Stephen explained in confessional: “I decided that Erinn should go to exile because my alliance of JT, Taj and Erinn wants to keep Exile under wraps. We want the four of us to be the only ones to go to Exile Island just in case a new idol pops up.”
Then Stephen picked Taj to go on reward first and then, even with Coach pleading to be picked, Stephen said he had promised JT he would take him.
Coach was heard in confessional as he headed back to camp: “Good ole Stephen won the reward challenge today and he picked Taj and JT, part of his original tribe. So, now, I’m afraid that, if push comes to shove, Stephen and JT will stick with Taj and I’m at their mercy.”
The Reward
Note that all three members of Jalapao had equal airtime in narrating the events.
JT, the cattle farmer, told us: “We arrived at a Brazilian farm…”
Stephen, the hungry man, said: “Very quickly, dishes started getting piled up on the table…The local cuisine is pretty amazing.”
Taj, the mother, explained: “The little 3 year-old, fell off the table and hit her head. I just went in mommy mode…I had to control my emotions because, looking at her, saw my son… I missed him so much at that point… She made me realize how much I miss my family and I will never go away this long ever again.”
Stephen: “A couple of kids escorted us down to the fervadora…”
JT: “I could see the sand but there was no bottom. Apparently the water was pushing the sand up…”
As they had done in Jalapao’s lake, the 3 members had a power talk.
JT said Sierra had to go next.
Stephen added: “To keep him (Coach) around just makes the most sense… The only plus with Sierra is that she could be on our side to take out Debbie. Debbie is shrewd, lets not discount Debbie as a real strategic player.”
Taj was seen listening intently at this point.
Stephen had the strategy confessional: “Sierra is a much more erratic player than Debbie. I would rather play with someone whose motivations I can guess but, right now, is a good opportunity to get rid of Debbie. It’s something that the 4 of us seriously need to consider.”
Stephen asked: “I don’t know how Erinn feels about Debbie.”
Taj replied: “Erinn is with us. She feels that they don’t care about her so why should she care about them.”

Exile Island
Day 28
Erinn didn’t have an easy time: “As soon as I got here, I checked the urn and, big surprise, a new clue to the same spot were the idol isn’t. We’ve checked and checked and checked tree mail and there isn’t one there. Obviously, the idol is gone.
It’s hard to be out here when the rest of my alliance is out on reward. (note that she left before Jeff said Stephen could pick anyone to join him)
I could not get a fire started before it started to rain and that killed me. I had no food, no water, no warmth, no way to dry anything and I slept in constant, pouring rain. This is the kind of thing that, I think, could break a person down. I really didn’t think I was tough enough to do this part of it. I am about as girly and prissy as they come. So, in my own personal tally of things that I’ve done in my life that I never thought I would overcome, this is going to be at the top of the list.”
Forza
Day 28
Coach said: “With Erinn on Exile, getting pissed off at Stephen and JT, if we are going to make a move, now is our chance.”
Debbie added: “Sierra, you would go with whatever Coach decided.”
Sierra answered: “I don’t know right now.”
A fight ensued, Debbie saying that Sierra didn’t know what alliance they had, Sierra saying they were in deep trouble because Stephen, JT and Taj were connected and not going anywhere while Erinn voted against Tyson without telling them.
Debbie said: “You don’t need to make threats right now.”
Sierra countered: “I’m not making threats, just stating facts.”
Debbie ended it by saying: “I’m done” and walked away.
Sierra: “I was like: Last night, you guys voted for me. What makes you think that I’m going to jump right back in? They freaked out. Jalapao is brilliant. They used me to get to Tyson. Someone is playing their game right and I think I would rather be with the smart people.”
In the lake, Debbie and Coach were still hanging on to JT’s promise of Final 4.
Coach: “A line was drawn in the sand today. Sierra has no loyalty in this game and the old Timbira tribe is not going to get back together so, I need to get a concrete answer from JT on who he wants in the final 4 then I will make my move.”
Forza
Day 30
Coach laid his cards out to JT and asked: “Are you cool with Sierra going next, then Erinn then Taj, leaving you, me, Stephen and Debbie?”
Coach: “I’m worried about how Stephen and JT blindsided Tyson so I wanted to talk with JT to reconfirm that Sierra was the next one to go.” Coach told JT that Sierra wanted to get Timbira back but that he didn’t want to get in bed with a snake. His confessional continued: “I don’t trust Sierra. The sooner she’s gone the better. JT was very receptive and I trust JT so, all in all, a very good day’s work.”
Sierra took a walk with Stephen, telling him: “Coach and Debbie tried to get me to join in their alliance to go after you guys. I said I was going to play for me right now and they both went bananas.”
Stephen (solo): “Sierra said that Coach and Debbie explored the possibility of a renewed Timbira alliance. My immediate thought was complete panic. I am very scared of a Timbira resurgence. Ultimately, we know that we’re going to have to betray Debbie and Coach and, to do that, we need them on our side.”
Stephen joined Coach and JT by their favorite fishing spot and Coach said: “As soon as we got back, Debbie and Sierra said do you want to talk about the alliance and everything. I thought about it for 15 seconds and then I said I can not do that to those guys. There’s going to be no Timbira alliance. I don’t like it, it makes me sick to my stomach to think about it.”
Stephen: “According to Sierra, Coach and Debbie are plotting against me and JT but Coach is saying that it is Sierra who can’t be trusted. I can’t get a real sense of who is telling the truth so it makes me suspicious of the 3 of them.”
JT: “There’s a lot of stories being told, a lot of paranoia setting in. I don’t know what is going on. I’ve got a lot to think about.”
Figuring that Coach could be a pathological liar, they decided that they could keep Sierra as a viable option and send Coach home.
The Immunity Challenge
A shivering Erinn returned from Exile Dune to applause from the players and a dry sweater from Stephen.
Debbie made Jeff laugh by imitating his voice as she said: “Debbie with her first bag.”
When Jeff pointed out that Erinn was the only person without a bag, Erinn quickly replied: “I haven’t eaten in three days.”
There were a couple of strange shots of Sierra inserted as Coach and JT were neck and neck with 2 bags. In one of them, Sierra is just watching as if she was sitting by the sidelines instead of participating. It looked almost as if our newest jury member was already judging the competition. Was that a clue to a Coach-JT Final 2? Now that would be entirely unexpected.
Coach and JT were the first to move on and it became a race between Debbie and Stephen for the final spot but we saw that Stephen got a knot in his rope. In the end, “Debbie nails it” and we hear a dejected “No!” from Stephen.
In the final leg, “JT was off to a quick start, Coach right behind him.”
Coach was “being very cautious” while “Debbie (was) going backwards” and she soon saw her ball fall in a hole. Jeff took the blame for it.
JT started “making a move…JT taking a little risk and with a big move, JT catches Coach, with another nice move, passes Coach” but his ball fell through a hole, leaving the door open for Coach to win.
“Dragon Slayer” he exclaimed as he won the challenge.
As they walked away, Sierra had a confessional: “It sucked to watch Coach win today. At this point, it’s probably Debbie or me going home so I’m going to do everything I can to make them vote for Debbie.”
Forza
Day 30
Coach and JT were laughing while Sierra, Taj and Stephen listened, not looking very happy.
Coach (solo) : “This is the first immunity challenge I have won. I feel like it justifies my place here. The meditation, the prayer, the focusing technique, I was able to lock it in and win immunity. With JT, Stephen and Debbie, I am very secure with my place in the game but it is a good safety blanket to have.”
Sierra was ready to let her dirty laundry out because she wanted to go out with a big bang. Sierra, Coach and Debbie entered into a shouting match, each calling the other a liar but Sierra probably scoring a point when we heard her say that Debbie brought up Erinn’s mood after being sent to exile.
Debbie had a confessional: “Sierra went crazy, she’s pointing at me calling me a liar. I am a 46 year-old professional woman and I cannot believe that I am in a verbal combat with a 23 year old over what I said or didn’t say. Honestly, a lot of it, I don’t even remember but it isn’t going to change the vote on her, at least in my mind. You never know at tribal. Nothing would surprise me.”
Stephen and JT realized that Sierra had caught Coach in a lie. They considered voting out Debbie.
Stephen: “Sierra did a service to me and JT by exposing Coach’s half-truths and Debbie’s scheming. I believe that Debbie is a savvy player and she wants to win. She is willing to make devious moves so, taking her out early might not be a bad idea.”
JT pointed that there would be less drama if they sent Sierra home.
Stephen’s confessional continued: “The problem with keeping Sierra is that she is going to create a lot of drama around camp…Who knows what Sierra will say? Who knows who she will p*ss off? Sending her home will eliminate one nutty variable. I don’t know what to do.”
In the middle of that confessional, we heard Sierra asking Taj who she believed.
Taj replied: “You exposed him.”
Erinn agreed, adding: “I’m not voting for you tonight.”
Tribal Council
Jeff started by pointing to JT that, with 7 players left, there wasn’t much room to hide.
JT agreed that the game had changed. <Erinn nodded agreement> “I’m scared to go fishing.”
<Stephen smiled>.
Debbie said: “Our happy little family is not a happy family anymore. All this craziness going on is a part of this game I do not enjoy.”
Coach said that there was a catalyst to this pressure build-up. <Sierra rolled her eyes, Jeff noticed>.
Laughing, Sierra said: “Coach’s profound claim of being extremely honest got burned and ruined when Coach and Debbie were asking me to be Timbira-strong again. I told them they were up sh*t-creek and wasn’t going to help them. Then Coach decided to go to JT and tell him that I came to him and said these things. I’m happy knowing that I just proved someone that was going to change the game in an honest way, wrong.”
Jeff commented on Coach’s clenched jaw.
Coach said: “My credibility is being attacked by one person because one thing I am not is a coward and a liar.” <Erinn shown listening> “In Sierra’s warped mind, she thinks she is telling the truth.” <Sierra and JT laughing, Taj listening> Coach went on, quoting from the bible. “The catalyst that caused our tribe to distrust each other is this girl sitting in front of me, this 23 going on 5 with her temper tantrums.”
Taj said: “I’ve been hearing it all day and I haven’t watched soap operas in so long, it’s giving me a boost.” <Debbie didn’t like that but Erinn was laughing>
Asked about winning a challenge and being popular, Debbie said: “I hope that I am not a threat because I’m likeable but I’m going to be me.”
JT said: “You got to think about physical threats, social threats <Debbie shown> and you got to think about the people you want to take to the end and you have to figure out how to get rid of the rest of the people without making them mad.” <Strangely, no one was shown as he said that>
Jeff turned to Stephen: “You have to blindside people sometimes <Coach and JT shown as well as Tyson> and you know there are going to be repercussions… You have to balance your personal feelings against your ultimate goals in the game and it’s a really difficult decision to make.” <JT shown>
Sierra was voted out 4-2-1 but there were a coupe of strange votes:
Taj voted for Debbi.
Erinn voted for Stephen, writing “Never again, Swear” on her ballot. Stephen leaned forward, maybe because of the small lettering or because of shock.
Jeff’s last words: “The 6 of you are struggling to trust each other. That means paranoia is just around the corner” seemed directed at Stephen, who the camera showed many times. Will this vote cause paranoia in our clinical player? The end game should depend on it.
The Story
This episode was edited in a way that showed how gullible Coach was. The vote against Tyson, the coconut-chop challenge, the choice of players to take on reward weren’t enough to shake his faith in his alliance with JT. Blind faith, another way for the editors to laugh at him, or does he know something we don’t?
The Characters
Stephen : As far as strategy is concerned, Stephen is the star of the season. He is in control, everything goes through him. Stephen is the clinical player that is smartly eliminating the variables. Stephen is presented as a winner and, if he does, he will be compared with the best.
BUT, will he win? Just before leaving for tribal Council, we heard him saying: “I don’t know what to do.” That, in a nutshell, is the reason why I have hesitated calling him the winner all season long. At this point, doubt is supposed to surround the winner but, here, his self-doubts are almost telling the audience that he can’t go wrong, that whatever he decides will work out fine. Sierra or Debbie, did it really matter? Agreed, JT’s mere presence is cause for doubt about getting the jury votes but we don’t hear anything about that. Doubt, for the winner, comes in two forms: For Chris, Tom, Danni, Aras, Earl and Bob we wondered if they could reach the end. For Yul, Todd and Parvati, we wondered how they could get the vote.
We can compare Stephen to Yul because he is a positive character whose doubt should be in earning the jury vote. JT is comparable to Ozzy in his appeal to a jury. Remember how much doubt was put in Yul’s ability to win jury votes? He was shown counting his votes in front of Becky, returning Jonathan’s hat made us wonder if the jury would see that as a bribe, his promise to Adam and Parvati about eliminating Jonathan made us think they wouldn’t honor it. For Stephen, there has been no mention of the jury at all. He is only talking about reaching the end even if it is apparent that he is in control. Maybe he isn’t… or maybe I am over-analyzing this. I have seen him in control ever since Brendan left while that may not be the general opinion. The editors could be counting that just being in a minority at the merge was sufficient doubt about reaching the end.
I think it was very notable that Stephen answered that he trusted JT with his life during the challenge while JT didn’t answer Stephen. Also interesting was that he wanted to eliminate erratic players and players that were there to win but he never considered how to get passed Taj or JT.
Is he miscalculating? Is he forgetting that Debby and Coach were only praising them about Tyson’s blindside to curry favor while plotting something else? Showing Stephen unable to untangle the knot during the immunity challenge could symbolically represent how he will wind up in a strategic mess.
Debbie: With the previews for next week’s episode, we sense that Debbie is reaching the end of her story. From her first confessional of the season in episode #4 where she said she missed her family, it has been suggested that she would last only long enough to see a family member. Did Stephen extend her story when he called her a devious player? He told us that it would be a good idea to go after her early. Leaving her in the game means she could be part of a faction that goes against Stephen.
Taj: She is staying in the background but the way she was shown listening in on conversations could foreshadow that she is studying the situation and will find the right moment to strike. Even if she does, Taj’s portrayal over the course of the season has been too inconsistent to consider her a possible winner.
Coach: If Coach surprises us and goes to the end, he will owe it to JT. Maybe we have read the theme of the season incorrectly and Coach called it straight: In the end, he will be defeated by the worthy warrior. Coach being vindicated by the editors? I seriously doubt it. Seeing Coach this week, I was reminded of Sean Kenniff!! Yes, the soft-spoken Doctor and the Megalomaniac Coach! Coach was as blind to JT’s dishonesty as Sean was to the Tagi alliance. I almost heard Coach saying: “If they lie to me one more time, I will know that they aren’t honest.”
JT: Who was he referring to when he said it was strange to be seen as trustworthy? The editing of this episode made us believe that he was mainly talking about the gullible Coach but what if he was talking about the guy that had pretended to be his goofy sidekick at the beginning of the season? JT must consider that it would be easier to win the million over Coach than Stephen. Was that what he was talking about when he said he had a lot to think about? We saw how JT was able to maneuver his ball over the tilted plane so it’s possible that he decided to let Coach win that challenge, to keep him safe from Stephen’s schemes. That would be taking a big risk but, if he does, then Jeff’s words during the challenge would have been prophetic. We should remember that he convinced Stephen to vote Sierra even if Stephen had figured out that she was more honest.
On the other hand, if JT was about to make it to the end and “get rid of the rest of the people without making them mad” I doubt that the editors would have missed a chance to show who he was talking about. The cameras didn’t show anyone as JT said those words at Tribal so maybe he isn’t the one that gets rid of the others. And, there are even less doubts about JT winning jury votes in the end than there are about Stephen.

Erinn: Except for one shining moment, this wasn’t a good episode for Erinn. Her role in Tyson’s blindside was completely left out of the recap. We didn’t hear much from her in camp during all the strategy talks. Her future seems to depend on how her vote is explained and received by Stephen. We heard his fear of erratic players so that could have been inserted to explain more than the Sierra vote. With her confessional on Exile Dune, Erinn could have reached the end of her story. Maybe it was only to portray her as the only sane member of Timbira.
BUT: Her vote and Stephen’s reaction to it could simply have been used to put doubt in her chances of making it to the end. We heard her saying that she wouldn’t vote for Sierra and, even if we don’t know if she told Stephen about it, he didn’t seem that worried about it. We saw his frown when Jeff announced the vote but we saw him smiling soon after that. With Stephen’s confessional about sending her to Exile and Jalapaos talk in the fervadora, it seems that Erinn’s position in the alliance is safe. Interestingly however, we’ve now heard twice Stephen asking Taj if Erinn could be trusted and twice Taj reassured him. Was it to keep Stephen’s suspicions away?
Maybe Erinn still has something to put above surviving Exile Island on her list of things she’s done in her life that she never thought she would overcome.

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05-03-09, 07:43 PM (EST)

142. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

wow again, michel,
I just love reading your analysis and recap of what mattered in the show. I wish I hadn't been so busy earlier in the season that I had no time to keep up with this topic, because it's such a pleasure.
A couple moments that struck me about what editing let us "know" about the alliance structure:
Stephen says: my alliance of JT, Taj and Erinn
Stephen: My immediate thought was complete panic. I am very scared of a Timbira resurgence. Ultimately, we know that we’re going to have to betray Debbie and Coach and, to do that, we need them on our side.”
Then there is Taj reassuring them about Erinn.
A clear picture is laid out of Stephen and Taj's vision of F4.
As you point out, with JT, not so much.
Both Stephen and JT have been shown thinking how to get to the finals, and not yet worrying how to get votes. I think Stephen has a hard row to hoe against JT, but I think he knows that. To me, he has a problem either way. If he sells out JT, or JT does it to him, both of their images will suffer. If they betray that really strong bond, they will look like complete snakes.
A strong loyal bond can be sold to the jury as a reason you went to the end with someone other than that jury member. If you take a goat with whom you had no bond in the game, that is so transparent, and can backfire.
Stephen and JT remind me of Rafe and Steph, only JT is liked and Steph wasn't. Or Todd and Amanda, or Rob and Amber. You both have the same karma to deal with because you worked together. You can win the game or lose it depending on how you spin to the jury.
Rafe didn't get to go in front of the jury because he made a huge error letting someone from the other tribe make it to F3, someone with no blood on her hands too. If I were JT or Stephen, I'd want to go with Taj, because she didn't make the strategy and she doesn't need the money. But for either of them it would be hugely dangerous to have Taj win final immunity. It would be like Lex and Ethan having to abide by Mama Kim's choice. Rob C losing because Jenna didn't pick him.
Speaking of which, I doubt Stephen thinks he can win final immunity if it's endurance. He's in a tough place, He might go down as best player in the game who finished second or third -- but that's still about 100K in prize money.
Point being, there was an old tradition in Survivor that F3 was the best player, as you know, and maybe Stephen has that edit. I don't know. Or F2. I kind of think JT has the winning edit, as the winner everyone will like. I mean, strong players trusted him and as much as handed him their game when he was slotted to be first out at the merge. That's a good story.
Back to this episode - I tend to under-analyze Survivor editing. What I see is that they set up a clear path that the power players mean to follow. They did not hide it. It was said outright that Coach and Debbie are being set up. Used to be discarded when the numbers are solid. Erinn is to be trusted. Taj is solid. Stephen, like Brendan, likes to play with predictable players, not variables, so Sierra went out, and Debby is way up on his list.
Stephen not knowing what to do last episode - I saw that as a thinking player who had good reasons to make either choice. Take out the brutally honest player so as to stop the drama in camp, as the other drama queen was immune. Or take out the more strategic and devious player, Debbie. He made a choice that was in line with what the tribe expected. Sierra knew she was going and had accepted it. There would be no outrage at camp after the fact.
But now what? The episode before ended pointing at the sitting ducks, Debbie and Coach, and they didn't leave. Before that at Sierra, and she didn't go. Next episode it should be Debbie or Coach, depending on immunity, but not Erinn.
This is why I worry about Erinn's future. They have no reason to vote her out yet, but will something happen? Will Stephen morph into LEX II as he tries to behead the snake, even though the vote was innocent? As you pointed out, she had a big scene on Exile, that could support a winner edit, or an exit.
It could also just be one miserable Exile, and Survivor LOVES to show misery while winners are feasting.

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05-03-09, 08:33 PM (EST)

143. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

A couple more thoughts on your points:
That tilt-table challenge. Yes, JT could have thrown it, but many times he has said he can't stand losing challenges, so I doubt he did. I know I've played the hand-held version of that maze a zillion times, and I've lost the ball at the end, getting a little confident. Jeff said that JT was taking risks trying to catch up with Coach.
That question in the challenge - who would you trust with your life? The answer to that has generally been the person you would feel good with out in the wilderness. NOT Stephen, the city mouse. And the answer in the quiz wanted the consensus, so I don't think it was at all odd for JT not to write Stephen. No way was Stephen going to be the consensus vote.
btw, this is from outside but not a spoiler really ... JP said that the quiz answers seemed pre-determined, that clearly the players had practiced in anticipation for this quiz, used too many times ... so the quiz failed a little in that it didn't bring out anything people didn't already know.
Choosing who to take, that part was interesting. Taj, and then JT. Symbolic? I think Taj was a safe choice because a) it's traditional to take the runner-up in the challenge, and b) she hasn't been getting rewards. JT has, so that was kind of risky taking him over Coach. Smacks of arrogance and reinforced the Jalapao solidarity.
OTOH, Stephen wasn't afraid to honor a promise made to his friend, and I would hope others could respect that. It may also show that Stephen isn't so cocky about JT's "love" that he would slap him in the face. He rewarded the persons he most needs in the game. The worst thing that could happen to Stephen is if JT and Taj decided to dump him early. I remember JT was not happy when either of them threatened his chances to win that raft trip. (Almost like Stephame).
I think the editing has shown JT taking care of JT, who sees Stephen as his trusty sidekick.
Stephen is also taking care of Stephen, only he understands that taking care of JT is very important to the plan. Still, he did not want JT brought into the Exile Alliance, and he wanted to boot Brendan as soon as Brendan declared his JT love, which would have demoted Stephen to a lower circle of the power alliance.
JT told Stephen that Brendan wanted to take him to the finals, apparently without even worrying how Stephen would take it, as if JT almost assumes Stephen is accepting of being the runner-up at best. Kudos to Stephen for managing that.
Astrologically, Stephen is an Aquarius, like Todd and Jenna Morasca (Aquarian winners). JT is a Cancer, like Danni. Taj is a Taurus. No Taurus has ever won. Erinn is a Libra, as is Debbie, as was Brendan. (Yul, Aras, Rob C).
Coach - is a Virgo like Jerri Manthey. Misunderstood and maligned!

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If a woman was Tocantins Sole Survivor, I would think that we would have heard the 'Amber' comparison by now.
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145. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

Great points OFG.
You are probably right about the IC, I just threw it out there as a possibility. Regarding the RC question, if the players had prepared for the answers, that's even more reason for JT to answer Stephen.
The Stephen/JT story is so rich that it could indeed need to be resolved at Final TC. We'll see how it turns out.
Regarding:
"The episode before ended pointing at the sitting ducks, Debbie and Coach, and they didn't leave. Before that at Sierra, and she didn't go. Next episode it should be Debbie or Coach, depending on immunity, but not Erinn."
There are important differences in each situation. When Sierra was saved, she started the episode as the only target. When Debbie and Coach were saved, Sierra was also a target at the beginning of the episode. The next episode will start with Debbie and Coach on the block. If the game turns in their favor anyone, not only Erinn, could take Tyson's role.
I will not comment on astrology.

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146. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

I will not comment on astrology.
Mixing apples and oranges (other than in salads and juices) is probably not the best way to do justice to either.
I've edited my post.
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148. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

well, astrology has visited this topic before ... that's why I mentioned it.
Just posting to say I don't know why I got it into my head that Yul is a Libra. Like Georjanna said, very much an Aquarian, like Jenna and Todd, and Stephen. btw, Stephen went to Yale, as did Yul (although Yul's was law school)
OK, no more astrology here. The only real relevance to editing is that Georjanna and I both have noticed that Survivor casting uses sun signs as a form of "type" casting, and predetermined "types" then get developed along those lines by the editing.

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149. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

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well, astrology has visited this topic before ... that's why I mentioned it.
As Erinn would say (but I'm too old to get away with the accompanying pose), "Guilty as charged."
Like you (I think), I tend to think of casting's personalities as the natural material from which editing fashions the stylized characters that bring the themes and storylines of Survivor's recurring plot to life each Season.
But I seem to have a much harder time keeping a decent distance between the two ...
So, just one more Jeff Probst quote and I'll go tend to my own long-neglected knitting:
"One of the things Survivor has going for it is it's a really good format. The structure of the show tends to work over and over and over. You put new people in the same situation and then you think what are they going to do and what would I do if I were in that same situation."
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oh, I don't think the game will turn in their favor, michel.
I think at most a one episode reprieve. The Jalapao members have been very focused on getting those numbers down, and I don't see any compelling reason for them to destruct before they get close to the goal.
They sort of remind me of the Aitu tribe in the Cooks, which recruited Jonathan to survive the merge and then went to the F4 (only these guys have only 3). There was no meltdown in that alliance, even though Ozzy was a HUGE challenge ho, they let him stay on.
I just don't see why anyone would want to boot Stephen this episode. Nobody on this Forza tribe has even figured out that Stephen is a threat. AND both Taj and JT know he has the idol, and far from wanting to flush it out, they believe it is theirs to share if they need it.

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As Veruca often said, analyzing editing isn't very good at predicting the next boot. The only thing relevant in this thread is that we saw Stephen having problems with his rope during the IC and heard him say he didn't know what to do. Survivor strategy can be a Gordian knot so I took those scenes as having symbolic value.
Will it happen in the next episode? I don't know. It's the CBS misdirection that brings up the possibility, not the editing of the show.
About Astrology, I'm sorry if it sounded like I was imposing a ban; I'm certainly in no position to do that. It's just that I will stay out of that discussion.

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151. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

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Delightful dialect in here, I just love reading every word! I agree with so much of what you all see...here is my take...
As michel noted, a new format for the episode recrap...
Coach ot Tyson: Think about an alliance with Stephen and JT...Coach: I have the power alliance, hence my name, the Dragon Slayer! Coach: Commanding my officers like I was born to do...Sierra's going tonight, no brainer.
We then see only Stephen say: We might think about taking out Tyson, we might not get another chance...to JT: If we don't take him out now, he could go on a run...
Jeff: Tyson, another TC, another blindside, this is shaping up to be a battle to the end, 7 left, who will be voted out tonight?
Forza, Night 27:
Sierra in confessional: I thought I was going home...crazy!
We then see JT doing damage control immediately while Stephen looks down, and is off to the side..."Coach, I don't want you or Deb to feel like you were out of the loop. We know you would not want to go against your word with Tyson...
Later we get a confessional from Stephen...We didn't want them scrambling and changing their plan. We knew what their votes were gonna be, we could safely get rid of Tyson without telling them...Stephen becomes the narrator of events here, AND, speaks for them both, all? using "we".
Debbie notes that it was a good move and appreciates them not telling her.
Coach adds that it was "bold and brilliant", he's got great intuition and he didn't see it coming...AGREE with michel...Coach has made up his mind about JT, specifically, and no matter how many times JT betrays him, JT will indeed be able to sweet talk Coach to his point of view. If JT makes it to the finals, I see Coach still supporting and voting for him...supporting JT as the trustworthy, worthy opponent and voting for him to win, will validate Coach's initial assessment of JT, and clearly, Coach is always right!
JT continues the conversation: "Coach, I don't want you to be mad at me, Coach...
Coach: "I'm not in the least and I appreciate you not telling me.
Stephen confessional insert: "Both Coach and Debbie realize that the dynamics had suddenly and dynamically shifted and they were trying to curry favor with us...Basically, anything we had done was the greatest thing that had ever been accomplished. What a tremendous blindside! It worried me a little bit cause, I would rather have an honest big, blowout, than have people smiling and plotting something else.
Coach to JT: No hard feelings
JT to Coach: "Thanks, Coach"
Coach as he walks off with his arm around JT's shoulders, in a paternal way..."OK, I mean it." As he continues patting JT on the back....cut to intro...
Forza Day 28: We see a vulture on a rock...and I think the drama begins...
We see JT starting a fire(thinking ahead, I think JT will be able to do well in a fire starting challenge...)
Deb says to Stephen and JT: We need to know what our next couple of moves are...
JT: "Sierra and Erinn"
Deb: "Yeah, ok."
JT: "I trust you completely, Deb"
Deb: "I trust you completely"
JT: I mean there's no reason we can't be in the final 4. You, Stephen, myself, and Coach".
Confessional from Deb: Where I am in this game right now...recoiling to figure out exactly what my next move is...kinda like a snake, then JT and I talked about all of us being there at the end, but, do you believe them? That's the question of the day? (More like the question of the episode for us! And I get that this is the question that will need to be answered for Debbie, and it will indeed set up the next show.)
Deb then goes and talks to Coach at the campfire...we see that Debbie is two moves ahead and points out that they are 4th and 5th on the totem pole but could be 1 and 2 with an old Timbira alliance...Deb has a confessional: She says that they would outnumber Jalapao with an old Timbira alliance and take control of the game again...I note that Debbie gets the credit for this plan and effort to get Timbira to overtake the Jalapao's...seemingly a far more strategic player than Coach
Cut to the RC...Again Coach is seen reacting to the reward at the Brazilian Family feast and then the Fervadora...once again I think he will not go on this reward, as we have been hit over the head with his vast life experiences continue to be of no help to him in this game...
Question: Who has not lived up to their potential: Answer - Coach. Erinn chops Sierra, Deb chops JT, Taj chops Debbie, Coach whacks Sierra, and Sierra chops Coach....WOW, they really are true to form chopping who they each individually distrust the most....most interesting and enlightening chop for me was Taj on Debbie***Will remember this for the end of the episode!
Question: Who would squander the million $: Answer - Sierra.
Debbie chops Erinn, JT chops Sierra and she's out. Erinn chops Debbie***exposes that Debbie is next on the list for Erinn, as now Sierra is out.
Question: Who would never survivr on their own? Answer - Debbie.
Taj chops Coach, Erinn chops Coach and he's out, Stephen chops Debbie and she is out. So, Taj, Erinn, and Stephen are all targeting Debbie first after Sierra is gone....and yes, I have the luxury of writing this after the episode airs, so I can try and pinpoint clues to the next episodes... Debbie chops Erinn.
Question: Who would you trust with your life? Answer - JT. Stephen notes that this is a "gimme". JT in confessional: I don't know why everyone would trust me so much, cause in this game I'm not so trustworthy and it seems like people would catch on to that. It may be the accent, I don't know! Smiling...I thought the verbage was a bit different than what michel thought...I got that this was a confessional in retrospect, they probably later asked JT why he thought everyone would trust him with their life and he is humble and laughs about it, noting his accent....no doubt about it, JT is quite charming, and I think, but will his charm work on the jury, should he make it?
Taj chops JT, very telling that Taj eliminated JT before eliminating Stephen!!!
JT chops Erinn and she is out...JT chops the number 4 of his alliance first, true to the plan? Erinn then chops JT and he is out, and Stephen chops Taj.
Question: Who would you least like to see win the game: Answer - Sierra. Stephen wins the reward and chooses Taj to go. Later, he is told that he can take someone else, and then chooses JT...
OFG is right, Jeff said in his blog that he thought the possible questions had been discussed at camp and decided upon prior to getting there. But, even if you discount the questions, the order in which they chopped each other out was extremely telling, imo...
Clearly the pecking order of the "power alliance", which is Stephen, JT, Taj, and Erinn was first Sierra. Telling that for Taj, Erinn, Stephen, their next choice was DEBBIE!!! Not, the predictable, Coach. Then, while JT was the only one that stuck to the plan, of Erinn out at F4, chopping her last one, Erinn, Taj both chose to eliminate JT before Stephen!!! This makes me think that Stephen has worked far more in roads and scheming with Taj and Erinn, and JT...while, is JT working his magic more on the old Timbira's? Who will pay off for either?
Also, if there is a F3 challenge, if anyone wins against JT, will they choose Stephen over JT? Is JT the underdog in his own F4? Food for thought...
Stephen continues to tell us why he voted for Erinn to Exile.."I decide Erinn should go to Exile cause my alliance of JT, Taj, and Erinn wants to keep exile under wraps. We want the 4 of us to be the only ones on exile. I, just in case a new idol pops up"...I don't get this....is he trying to keep JT away from exile? I can't help but recall how Stephen never told JT about the cross-tribal alliance and didn't want him to know about the idol...and when JT found out on his own, Stephen was seriously back-peddling...I can't help but feel he is deliberately avoiding sending JT, at all costs)
A confessional from Coach: Stephen won and picked Taj and JT, part of his original tribe, I'm afraid when push comes to shove, that Stephen and JT will stick with Taj and I'm at thier mercy...certainly a valid concern, but will Coach do anything against who he perceives is worthy...I doubt it.
JT introduces the reward, then Stephen takes over the narration of the reward. Then Taj has her mother instincts confessional regarding mommy mode and misses her own 3 year old. Then we have the Fervadora and we see JT leading the way and tells us that it's a spring and the water is pushing the sand up, his feet didn't touch anything, feet were bobbbing. Taj laughs and wants to have a power talk...
JT: The next move is obviously Sierra, right? (Looks right to Stephen for the answer...)
Taj: Uh-huh
JT: Coach is secure right now with us...
Stephen: He's the weakest at every aspect, right now. So, to keep him around just makes the most sense.Clearly, Stephen is not threatened by Coach, he's dismissed almost
Stephen: Sierra is strong, a physical threat. The only reason not to vote Sierra is that she could be on our side long enough to take out Debbie. Debbie is shrewd, let's not discount Debbie. She's a strategic player. To me, Stephen's clear preference is Debbie...he is clearly a calculating player that doesn't want to underestimate anyone, and to me, he ranks Debbie as more of a threat to him, than Sierra)
Stephen in Confessional: Sierra's a much more irratic player than Debbie. I'd rather play with someone who's motivations I can guess, but right now is a good opportunity to get rid of Debbie. So, the four of us have to seriously consider...Sounds like Stephen's preference this episode is indeed, Debbie
Stephen to the others: I don't know what Erinn feels about Debbie...
Taj: Erinn's with us. She just feels like none of them care about her so why should she care about them?

Cut to Exile: We have owls watching over her at exile, which makes me recall the VULTURES that were watching over Stephen, when he went....wise owls vs. vulture scavengers...clearly, more positive for Erinn...
She notes that the same clues to the tree mail, where the idol isn't...they've checked and checked and checked the tree mail and obviously it's gone...then thunder and lightening, and she has no food, no water, no warmth, no way to dry anything and slept in constant pouring rain...the kind of thing that could break a person down, like she really didn't think she was tough enough to do this part of it....She's about as girly and prissy as they come, so this is the top of the list of things that she's had to do and overcome...
Well, we have our journey player, or perhaps as michel noted long ago, a possible winner. She started out alienated, no friends, boyfriend dumped her and now she is finding herself able to make her own decisions, able to land in the F4 "power alliance", clearly, she is showing tremendous growth and progression...is it enough to win?
Forza, Day 28: Seirra drama approaching...Sierra, Coach and Debbie at the campfire...Coach notes if they are gonna make a move, then now is the time to do it...question whether Erinn is mad enough at the Jalapao's to do it, and he questions Sierra's loyalties several times.
Sierra refuses to join them, and notes that they proceed to "freak out", noting the brilliance of Jalapao, and she'd rather be with the smart ones.
In the water Coach and Debbie conspire, and Coach says, "just let me work on JT, there's nothing to worry about with you, me, Stephen, and JT in the F4...(notice how egocentric Coach is here and again he is going to push JT, to validate for him that he did make the right choice with trusting JT, the warrier, in his mind. He will try and manipulate JT with guilt...a paternal manuever, perhaps?)
Coach in confessional: TH eline was drawn in the sand today. Sierra has no loyalty in this game and old Timbira is not going to get back together, so I need to get a concrete answer from JT as to who he wants to be in the F4. Then, I'll make my move...There is ONLY JT for Coach, there is no Stephen
Forza, day 30. Coach with JT: "This conversation has to be between you and I, so my question is, are you cool with Sierra going next?" JT says, "Yeah". "Then Erinn, then Taj", JT says, "Yup", Coach: "That leaves me, you, Stephen, and Debbie?"
JT: "I mean that's the way to go"
Coach: "THat just reconfirms the next vote, Sierra will be the one to go. Sierra said something about, let's get Timbira back, and I said, that's not gonna happen, I don't want to get in bed with a snake, she will do whatever it takes to get her farthest in the game without honor. I don't trust Sierra, sooner she is gone, the better."
Confessional from Coach: "Jt was very receptive and I trust JT....a good days work. " Cut to Sierra walking with Stephen...note that Coach goes to JT, while Sierra goes to Stephen...interesting.
Stephen narrates the events...Sierra told me that Coach and Deb approached her about a Timbira alliance! I was panicked, very scared of a Timbira alliance. Ultimately, we know we will have to betray Deb and Coach, but in order to do that we need them on our side. Stephen notes to Sierra, "you could be playing me right now", She cries...she doesn't want to play anymore games.
Stephen then joins Coach and JT: Stephen says he thought they would be angry and try to take the Jalapao members out, Coach says, "of course that's what everybody talked aoubt, but it didn't come out of my mouth". He denied wantting to be in a Timbira alliance, "I can't do that to those guys"...
Coach: "Sierra is on board with watever she can do, but she's just floating, a half wit, not knowing where she's going."
Stephen continues to narrate: According to Sierra, Coach and Debbie are plotting and Coach says, it's Sierra that can't be trusted right now, he can't get a real sense of who is telling the truth, which makes me suspicious of the 3 of them...
Stephen to JT: "I'm freaking out". "Sierra told me that Coach and Deb said this is our only chance we have to take out them now."
JT: "Coach told me Sierra was the one getting old Timbira back together."
Confessional JT: "alot of stories being told, paranoia setting in (Stephen seen). Coach lied to me this AM if Sierra is telling the truth."
JT to Stephen: "If he lies to me then all bets are off!"
Stephen: "We don't have to get rid of Sierra. Let's keep Sierra as a real viable option...I think she's loyal to us."
JT: "I know. I know, I mean if we are gonna betray Coach anyway, I will contemplate sending him home...
Stephen: "me, too"
Cut to the IC: cue rain and Erinn returns, they clap, and JT shouts, "I love you, Erinn", Stephen hugs her, "I am so sorry, I brought you a sweater", Erinn: "Oh my Gosh, that's awesome!"
Jiffy explains the challenge and Jiffy notes: Coach misses, Sierra misses, Deb with a nice toss, just misses. JT snags the first bag, Taj with first bag, Deb with her first bag, Stephen his first bag, Coach with his first bag. Sierra now on board, Erinn only person without a bag. "I haven't eaten in 3 days!"
Coach with 2nd bag, Coach with final bag, JT final bag, moving on. Erinn has her first bag, 1 spot left, Deb snags 2nd, Sierra with a nice toss, just misses. Sierra struggles with this, Stephen with 2nd bag, Deb nails it, Deb, Coach, with JT to final round. Will Deb and Coach vote for JT in the final round?
Coach wins the final and says, "Dragon Slayer!", Jiffy notes that he is on the board, and he says, "finally!". Sierra noted that it sucked seeing Coach win, I'll do everything I can to get them to go after Debbie.
Then later at camp, Sierra tells JT that they tried to form an alliance to get rid of all of you all, JT says that they said it was you, and then Sierra says that she has no problem calling them out, and proceeds to do just that. Debbie is a wreck and crying, Coach has immunity, so he's not worried.
Stephen to JT: "I think Sierra just caught Coach in a lie, she said, "no", that's more loyalty than they showed to us."
JT: "Yeah"...if I was to vote out Debbie this time..."
Stephen: "We have the numbers to take out Debbie"
Confessional from Stephen: (again the narrator of the events of this episode)Sierra did us a favor by exposing Debbie's half truths and Coach's scheming. I think Debbie is a savvy game player and she wants to win, and she is willing to make serious moves, so if we take her out early, it might not be a bad idea."
Again, Stephen makes it known that he prefers to take out Debbie, NOW.
JT to Stephen: "I mean I'm open to Debbie too, but thinking about it, it seems like it'd be less uproars and dramas to send Sierra tonight."
Stephen again narrates: "The problem with keeping Sierra is that she is causing alot of drama around camp, who knows what Sierra will say? Who knows who she will ##### off..." Cut to camp where Erinn is telling Sierra that she will not vote for her tonight" interesting that we were shown this foreshadowing moment for Erinn, will it be significant later?. Stephen continues, "sending Sierra home tonight eliminates one big, nutt, variable, I don't know what to do."
TC: michel has noted the TC verbage, so I won't repeat it. Things I might add...the whole tc was about them trusting, afraid to trust, while everyone notes that, yes, it's at the point where it is not so much fun, but Coach notes that he is reassured that he knows who to trust so so so delusional, but that he's not a coward or a liar...JT notes that when you vote you have to consider who the physical threats are, the social threats, and about who you want to take to the end and how to get rid of the rest of the people without making them mad. Stephen adds his comments...then the voting and the votes are read. When Stephen's name was read, he looked PANICKED, and looked to JT, and JT looked to him....I felt that it was a significant moment, and one that is not going to be taken lightly by Stephen, or JT. Sierra goes, and Jiffy notes something about the paranoia.
I thought this was a great episode and a telling one. The drama or boot selections tonight were Sierra, Coach, but then he was eliminated by virtue of his being dismissed by Stephen, and by his immunity, then Debbie. I thought that Stephen clearly wanted Debbie to go, but in the end, went with JT and his reasoning. Tonight, Stephen was the narrator of the events, interesting how these two are taking turns telling the story.
To me, the power alliance throughout the majority of this episode was indeed Stephen, JT, Taj, and Erinn. Let's look at the remaining characters...
Coach: Stephen told us that he is the most predictable, and the weakest at every aspect. Very interesting to note the possibility of him in the F2 vs. JT, michel. AND, if he were to get there, indeed, it would be thanks to JT. JT appears to seem to be really working the old Timbira's and gaining their favor while perhaps underestimating the ones that he is the closest to, Stephen and Taj...is he confident in his relationship with them, I wonder if he is paying attention to them in the reward chops as we have been? Remember, JT told us that his game strategy banked on people considering him dumber than he really is because of his country boy persona...and he told us he would indeed use that strategy...JT is seen tending to the outsiders, alot, imo, and it's obvious with Coach.
Coach is really the character in this season, and will not win the game, but will go out by the sword of a worthy warrier...
Debbie: Debbie had a significant confessional spike with this episode, and we were shown her to finally be a "savvy" player....very, very, late in this game. I totally dismiss her as the winner and I, like Veruca, think she is the one that would be the perfect person with no real story that gets into the F4. But, she did have a nice little spotlight on the reward last week, missing her kids, she has been shown to be a savvy player by Stephen, she is up on the chopping block as Taj, Erinn, and Stephen showed us in the reward chopping challenge. I think Debbie, bar nothing happening at the end of the show in TC, would have been most likely to go in the next episode, and still very well could.
Erinn: Erinn received no credit for the Tyson blindside, nor did she claim any of the credit...(arrogance would have shown her to be a loser in the end). She did say last ep that she will make her own decisions, here on out, unlike the doomed Sierra. She was given a nice journey edit, overcoming the ultimate adversity, and alot of progression and personal growth. She is also inserted into a scene, where she promised Sierra she would not vote for her tonight...which I found very significant! Why was that shown, it had to be shown to set up a significant event later, what we saw at TC, Erinn voting for Stephen and more importantly Stephen's and JT's reaction to that vote. Had the episode ended before that, I would say, Erinn is setting up nicely to perhaps win this...but to me, this was a HUGE red flag for Stephen and JT. I think it could spell her demise. If she lasts through the next episode, she could possibly win this thing...
Taj: Sitting back, letting the others make all the moves, has been her mantra. I don't think she will win, but she will survive to near very end. She is showing her cards, that she would take Stephen with her over JT...will JT notice it too?
Stephen: Clearly a calculating player, that I would bet most peeps if polled today would pick to win the game over JT at this point. However, I see cracks in him, like how he panics at times when he's near exposure, say when JT discovered that Taj had the idol and Stephen had not shared that with him...like when he was clued into the prospect of an old Timbira alliance, also, what were those vultures doing hovering over Stephen when he was last on exile? While he seems to be nuturing the closest to him, is he not tending to the old Timbiras enough? I don't know. Clearly, Stephen would indeed be a deserving winner. I tend to think that he will honor his pact to get to the F2 with JT, banking on another, should they win the F3 challenge, Taj or Erinn, to take him along, giving him a 4 out of 4 shot to get into the finals. Will he underestimate his country boy at the end as well?
JT: I still have hope for a JT win at this point. I think Stephen is getting the stronger edit at this point, which gives me hope for JT. As I noted above, he is playing the "country boy" card, hoping that he is underestimated. He points this out again in this episode..."maybe it's my accent"...(afterall, anyone with that thick of an accent isn't that smart???) JT is working the charm, and we have seen him charm his way right through this game, and will he continue to do it?
Clearly, there is a similiarity with the Aitu 4...they came into the merge with far less numbers, and like the Cooks, have managed to stay in tact all the way to this point...almost the very end. However, the tribe vs. the aitu 4 were solid and together to pick them off, unlike the old Timbiras are now. I think the old Jalapao's just might succeed...I don't know, I doubt that JT or Stephen will directly sell out the other.
I think the next boot will either be Debbie or Erinn, I lean Erinn at this point, then Coach, then either Debbie or Erinn, then F3: Taj, Stephen, JT. If Taj wins the IC at F3, she'll take Stephen, if JT wins, he'll take Stephen, and if Stephen wins, he'll take JT...or will he? (Remember, Taj was his first pick for the reward this ep!)

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152. "RE: Episode #10: Editing Thoughts"

Nice work, FP. It's really interesting to compare how we see the show. Take this for example, taken after Debbie said that, with Sierra and Erinn going next, they were in a bad situation, you wrote:
"we see that Debbie is two moves ahead and points out that they are 4th and 5th on the totem pole but could be 1 and 2 with an old Timbira alliance."
I had seen it as Debbie being 2 steps behind because they've been in a bad situation ever since the Brendan boot. I guess I discounted Debbie as a shrewd player!
Funny that JT's accent prevented me from hearing him say the word accent!
"We have owls watching over (Erinn) at exile, which makes me recall the VULTURES that were watching over Stephen, when he went....wise owls vs. vulture scavengers."
Very interesting observation. Animal imagery couldn't be clearer but is it significant? As much as I enjoy the imagery, it isn't always helpful. Sometimes a cute bird is just a cute bird. It's something to keep in mind if Erinn isn't next.
Regarding our hairdresser, I noted this:
"...the votes are read. When Stephen's name was read, he looked PANICKED, and looked to JT, and JT looked to him....I felt that it was a significant moment, and one that is not going to be taken lightly by Stephen, or JT."
Panicked? I thought he was really only leaning forward to see what was written in the small lettering and his movement was only used to make us think there will be repercussions.

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Thanks for the feedback, michel...
regarding this...
Panicked? I thought he was really only leaning forward to see what was written in the small lettering and his movement was only used to make us think there will be repercussions.
ok, maybe not panicked, but I'd definately say incredulous and perhaps paranoid...he did indeed squint to read the little writing on the card, and then he looked to JT, and JT looked to him...I definately got the feeling that it really took him by surprise, and in a bad way. I see Stephen as very paranoid already, and it was hit home with this vote. This scene did raise a red flag for me...maybe it will be nothing?
I agree regarding the animal imagery...I remember the white bird that preceeded Matty all last season, and look where that landed him! But, regardless, I did notice it and it certainly contrasted with the vultures that were there when Stephen was...
For me, it's harder to draw conclusions towards the end of the season. JT and Stephen really are a team, and Taj has let them both lead the way, I don't know who this will end up serving better...the boys or the girl. Regarding Erinn, she is poised quite nicely for the F4, but will something happen, or has it already happened to put a kink in that? For me, it most likely points to Debbie or Erinn this week, and I have to add that Debbie certainly has received the higher confessional spike in the last episode, will it be the spike that preceeds her boot? That is the immediate question...
I agree with OFG in that the surprising TC doesn't have to necessarily point to a blindsided boot, but yet, a tc that perhaps exposes alliances unbeknownst to some...the promos are certainly very Debbie heavy...misdirection or boot? Remember in the preview, Coach is the misdirection boot.

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I just read about a week and a half worth of posts. Great, great comments. I wish I had more time to read and comment more!
My overall impressions without delving too deeply into exactly what was said (I’ll look forward to reading Michel’s analysis for that), is that Erinn, Stephen and Taj were the stars of this episode. It’s hard to say if Taj’s portrayal was because she makes F2 or if it was because of her wonderful personality and her famous husband! I’ve had this idea percolating in my head for a few weeks that perhaps its Erinn versus Stephen in the Final 2. They both received a negative first impression vote in the first episode and they both have come a long way since day 1!! EPMB would love for that to happen.
They were both featured prominently in the family visit and VS has taught us to look closely at how they are portrayed. We saw Steven crying and talking with his brother about missing his family (reminded me of Bob crying over his family letters). Erinn spoke about how she’s changed a lot from super girly to surviving outside. I’ve been leaning towards a Stephen win for weeks now, but because of michel, I have kept my eye on Erinn. They both were featured in different ways over the other survivors and I find that significant. I am finding the jury part of this season one of the best in a long time. JT didn’t get a lot of attention and he also didn’t get much attention during the family letters. Stephen was at exile at the time. I just don’t feel that JT will win. However, JT and Taj are immensely popular with the other survivors so whoever wins has a tough road to navigate to be the Final Survivor!
Coach also made a comment that Stephen is a deserving warrior in his mind. He pointed out at Tribal Council that Stephen has changed from reading about the adventures to living the life. Did Coach just anoint the winner?

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Thanks CTGirl for the nice words. I agree with your take about who were the stars of this episode.
Here is what I saw:
The recap focused on Erinn as we heard Taj saying she wasn’t with Timbira anymore and Jeff said: “The Jalapoa 3 pulled Erinn in and took control of the game but Coach still wanted to call the shots. (Coach telling JT “Sierra’s going tonight)
“However, not everyone was on board.”
We heard Erinn telling Sierra: “I’m not voting for you tonight.” Taj agreed.
Jeff added: “Despite Taj and Erinn’s rogue votes (Erinn shown explaining her vote) Coach got his way.”
Forza
Night 30
Stephen congratulated everyone for making Final 6
JT was happy the drama was gone.
Coach, despite getting his way, wasn’t happy with the vote.
Coach: “Erinn and Taj took the cowardly way out and voted for 2 people who didn’t deserve to be voted for, Stephen and Debbie. It was preposterous.” Coach told Debbie he was pissed and his confessional continued: “People who don’t play this game even half as honestly as me, (Taj and then Erinn shown on screen) even half as bold as me, like we saw tonight, pisses me off.”
Debbie had a day-time confessional about their conversation: “Coach doesn’t let things go without a complete, utter dialogue as to why. It’s so old.”
We flashed back to the night scene where Debbie was telling everyone in the shelter that Coach was upset.
Coach was lamenting: “Cowards, cowards, cowards, all around me.”
Coach’s confessional continued: “I don’t care about the million dollars. I care about my integrity, my honesty and changing this game from start to finish. I’ve said that from day one and that will never change.”
Forza
Day 31
For the second time in a row, the episode started with JT trying to make fire but not succeeding. This time, we see Taj taking over and lighting the fire.
Could this be a clue to what happens at F4? Taj eliminating JT in a fire challenge?
Debbie had a confessional: “Coach and I have been together from day one but, lately, it hasn’t been a positive thing for me. As a social player in a social game, it isn’t good for me to be associated with him. He is a downer… and not doing a lot around camp…”
She talked to JT and Taj about getting rid of Coach.
JT reacted in confessional: “Debbie is playing a very strategical game and she’s scared right now. Debbie may be more of a loose canon than I thought. Debbie is up to no good.”
JT and Stephen discussed their options, Stephen saying he was starting to dislike her as he imitated a whiny voice. Debbie walked in on them saying she knew they were talking about her. She told them that she considered herself in a tribe with the two of them. She concluded: “I give you my word on that…God strike me down.” (we heard a thunder clap!)
Stephen (solo) “Debbie is a very strategic player and, I think, people don’t give her enough credit because she is sweet and she is “chattery” (?). She definitely has a lot under that persona and she worries me a little bit.”
The Survivor Auction
The fun things to note:
- Debbie isn’t a math teacher, not knowing what a $20 increment meant.
- Coach had another little exchange of words with Jeff, saying that the host hesitated before awarding him his item. Erinn told him: “Just go eat.”
- JT had a hard time letting an item go but he did it for Stephen.
- Erinn wasn’t heard making a single bid.
When Jeff offered the “phone home” prize, everyone gave Taj their money. JT gave his money first but Erinn was the one that explained the reasoning behind it: “Taj had a tougher time than the rest of us. Debbie has kids but Taj left a little baby at home.”
Taj’s reaction when Eddie’s “see you back at the camp”, finally sunk in was priceless. Jeff had to ask if she had heard that last line but it dawned on her and she nearly tore Jeff’s arm out of its socket. Taj chose a “romantic night on the dunes” with Eddie so that everyone could see their visitor. (Jeff is going soft in his old age.)
Exile Island
Day 31
The two owls were seen snuggling up to each other as Taj arrived to the Sand Dune.
Taj was very direct in her confessional: “I just wanted to take him to the side and have a conjugal visit.”
Eddie, noting that Taj had lost weight (tying in to what we first heard from Taj back in episode #1), told us: “She looks great, she looks happy…Something about the wild that makes you sexy. It’s kind of a turn-on, you know!”
Forza
Day 31
With Debbie and Erinn leading the way, the castaways rushed into camp.
Stephen had the first confessional: “As soon as I saw my brother… it was like shock at seeing me. It was one of the biggest, most sincere, warmest hugs we’ve ever shared…”
JT: “When I saw Adrianna… I didn’t care about nothing except my little sister.”
We saw him giving her the immunity idol to wear, something that JT would like to wear himself.
Erinn showed the shelter to her dad and told us: “My dad was proud of me just for coming out here. He was like, “wait a minute, you’re doing this. What the hell?” I’m always dressed up, I’m always super girly and, for him to see me outside of that was a little bit shocking for him.”
Coach told his assistant coach that he was running the show, adding that everyone was calling him the “Dragon Slayer” and “I think I’m going to be in the Final 2.”
JT and Erinn showed some of the fruits they had been eating to Adrianna and Erinn’s dad.
Exile Island
Eddie: “I played against the great Steeler defenses, I played against great players like Ray Lewis but snakes, scorpions and spiders? I have a new found respect for her, doing this for 31 days and not needing any help and standing strong. I know plenty of women who wouldn’t even think of coming out here. She gets all of my love for this. She is the best.”
Eddie said it was time for “the 4th quarter prep” but we heard no strategic discussion.
Taj: “Seeing my husband, it really helped me. He is my fire, he is my life…”

Forza
Stephen talked about his family with his brother and JT did the same with his sister and then we heard from Debbie with her husband.
Debbie: “It means the world to me that my husband came out here to support me.”
Erinn told her dad that she had changed a lot. Laughing, she added: “I’m totally badass.”
Erinn: “Now, when I go home, there is somebody that I don’t have to explain this to. To have somebody here that you can just tell everything to and know that he wouldn’t use anything against you, to have somebody who loves you no matter what, who is worried about you, who is concerned about you, is a really great thing. Out here, you kind of forget what that feels like and it’s really nice.”
As the visitors left camp, Erinn had the last words: “I had a tough time saying good-bye. It was really, really hard to let go. All I could see was my dad and I wanted to hang out and it was awesome.”
We then saw Eddie leaving Exile Island, sharing a last kiss and a joke with Taj.
Forza
Day 32
Debbie was talking with JT about things they needed to think about down the line.
JT: “Debbie…is throwing Coach under the bus right now and they have been tight since day 1. You have to watch out for people like that.”
Before they could talk, Coach joined them and told JT he was worried about Taj playing the idol and going after one of them. JT said he liked that plan.
JT: “Coach’s strategy isn’t the same as mine at this point in the game. I feel like I am a few steps ahead of Coach when it comes to strategy. I tell him what he wants to hear to make it look like I am on the same page when we are not on the same page right now.”
Stephen, JT, Debbie and Erinn had a conversation, Debbie asking Erinn what she thought. Erinn agreed about Coach. Stephen said he was ready to see him go and Debbie said they would have to blindside him like Tyson.
As Erinn left the group, Debbie had a confessional, telling us that the talk was for Coach to go. She added: “Coach is driving everybody crazy in camp, including me at times. Coach thinks he is in an alliance with myself, JT and Stephen but Stephen and JT have had it as well.”
We then saw Erinn walking down the hill, giving Debbie time to make Stephen and JT an offer. After Coach, she told them Erinn and Taj had to go and, if she won Final 3 immunity, she would give it to one of them. “I’m happy with 3rd. I’d hand it to you, JT.”
Stephen: “You cannot really trust anybody’s promises out here. I don’t know Debbie that well. I’ve known her 10 days…but it is a very lucrative offer; a lock for sure to the final 2.”
JT and Stephen informed Erinn of Debbie’s offer and how that made her a threatening player.
Erinn replied: “OK, she’s out.”
JT: “Debbie making that promise to Stephen and myself makes me wonder what other promises she has made to other people. She shows she is willing to do whatever it takes to move forward in this game, even if she says she only wants 3rd place, nobody wants 3rd place in this game.”
The 4th place finisher would want 3rd place. Will JT’s words turn against him?
With a determined tone, Erinn concluded: “Yep, she goes. Do not let her win immunity.”

The Immunity Challenge
When Jeff said: “The one…who gets the answer, wins immunity and is guaranteed a one in 5 shot at winning the million bucks” we had a close-up of Erinn saying “wow” and then we saw Stephen, the eventual immunity winner.
Fun quotes:
- “JT is stuck… Taj is stuck… JT has a big lead right now…Stephen is going to have to dig a lot more to squeeze through. Stephen falls off… falls off again… cannot get across the balance beam, quickly falling out of this challenge…Erinn’s finally through…”
Jeff had to ask Stephen how he could memorize the 10 symbols in one pass, clearly impressed by the performance. Taj and Erinn were shown, equally impressed.
Giving Stephen the immunity necklace, Jeff concluded: “That was one of the biggest come-from-behind victories ever.”
As Stephen winning the title of Sole Survivor would be.
JT: “I look over at Stephen and I see the necklace around his neck and it’s just like I got the necklace. You know, every time something goes our way, I try hard not to do it but I always look at Stephen and I smile because he knows just like I do that we just keep battling it out. We can do this.”
More words that could be used against JT.
Forza
Day 32
Stephen: “JT and I, we came into this merge basically expecting to be picked off and now we are in the dominant position. The Timbira people are individually coming to us and begging for our mercy. So, to have done that together, with Taj and JT, to have stuck tight even when all these different factions have been vying for our attention, we feel pretty good about it.”
During the first part of Stephen’s confessional, the Jalapao 3 had been shown congratulating themselves in the lake but, right as the confessional ended, a crocodile came out of the water. Stephen’s words were similar to what Brendan, Sierra and Coach had said about their alliances. Could Stephen be too confident?
Taj couldn’t believe what Debbie had done but, as she pointed out: “I have two brothers taking care of me.”
JT: “Taj really trusts Stephen and myself… it’s good to know that she is still sticking with us but no one else knows what’s going on in this tribe like Stephen and I do.”
Nothing in this episode made the viewer even remotely think that Taj’s loyalty would be in question so why bring it up? Again, this confessional could be to set up JT for a surprise down the line, especially with the crocodile still shown lurking around camp. The camera angle made it seem like it was right behind Stephen and JT as we saw them from the back, planning their next move.
Stephen: “The downsides of losing Debbie are that she is a hard worker around camp, she is a very strong positive presence. I actually think she would step aside at 3 and let JT and me have it.” Coach joined them, Stephen adding: “The other downside in losing Debbie is a couple more days out here with Coach.”
Coach was still pushing to eliminate Taj because she could play the idol.
JT: “Coach is always wanting to reassure that things are going his way. It’s hard dealing with him. I don’t want to lie to him.” Coach was heard saying: “One of us 3 is going to win it” as JT added: “I hate lying to anybody so, anybody I lie to, I try to avoid. The sooner I get the people I lied to out of the game, the better.”
Stephen and JT were out to collect water and Stephen was still asking if it was the right move. Stephen said: “We have played an awesome game. No one wants to vote us out.”
Stephen: “Whether or not Debbie is scheming, whether or not Coach is delusional, right now, it doesn’t matter. We need to just figure out each move strategically to make things easier for the next move. We don’t need for any of them to be loyal right now, as long as we have a strong alliance, we can pick them off one by one.”
Note that Stephen and JT are only talking about getting rid of Coach and Debbie, the two players who promised them to take them to the end. Erinn didn’t promise them anything, Taj only said she didn’t want to see them leave prematurely. Is all this talk to show that the boys are taking the wrong fork in the road?
Tribal Council
Note that the three members of the jury entered with a jacket over their shoulder and feathers in their hair. Coach probably saw this as a tribute to him rather than mocking him. We saw him smiling at them. JT and Erinn were the only other two shown smiling at the jury.
Jeff turned to Coach about his goal of going to the end with the best players, wondering if, with 6 left, everyone could be considered equally deserving.
Diplomatically, Coach replied: “What might be considered a strength in my mind might not be a strength in somebody else’s mind. Stephen, he is a warrior to me because he has gone from a boy who likes to read books about adventure to a man who is living an adventure and excelling at it without any complaints.”
Asked about Debbie, Coach said she was playing the game for integrity, just like him. “We paired up on day 3 because I know she will never lie to me, no matter what.” (Poor Coach)
Asked about the risk of having Coach and Debbie paired up, Taj said: “It’s not risky, that’s what people do. You build alliances, you do what you have to do to survive in the game. That’s what he’s done. He’s done a great job. He’s a warrior, he’s a Dragon Slayer.”
<Brendan and Sierra really enjoyed the “compliments”! >
Coach said he wasn’t the one who came up with the nickname.
Jeff joined the fun by saying: “Let me guess. Some chief in a small village…”
<Erinn bent over, cracking up and Sierra was laughing and applauding>
Coach said he loved how Jeff was always digging for the truth.
<Sierra gagged at the mention of the truth>
Jeff then wanted to know why Taj should be taken to the end.
Coach said: “When I saw the raw emotions… she has made the ultimate sacrifice, taking time away from her son.”
Asked about what made Coach worthy, JT said: “Anyone that has stayed here, that has put himself on the line, has been honest <Erinn scrunching her face in disapproval, Sierra hiding her face in disbelief> and has never told a lie, deserves to go as far as his body can stand.”
Debbie said that Coach’s honesty could be his Achilles’ heel.
Erinn said: “There might be surprises tonight.”
Debbie said the vote would change how people behave and that it will be a surprise.
A fun note: As Coach came back from the voting booth, Brendan and Sierra flung their jackets back on their shoulder.
With 3 votes against her, one remaining secret, Debbie was voted out. Sierra seemed surprised as she looked questioningly towards Brendan who was smiling. Tyson was expressionless.
Before sending them back to camp, Jeff said: “There is no doubt <Stephen on screen> that the best players will make it to the end <Erinn shown smiling in close-up>. The most interesting question is, out of the 5 of you, who is the best of the best?”
Debbie left saying she was proud of what she accomplished despite being a girly girl.
The Story
The Timbira Alliance died the moment Coach said the tribe would be better off if Brendan was voted out.
The Exile Alliance died when Stephen decided Sierra had to leave.
The Warrior Alliance, though not clinically dead, is, like Coach, brain dead. It’s possible that Stephen and JT will give it a second life by taking Coach to the F3. It’s possible that we see Coach once again escaping a near-death experience, but that seems very unlikely.
That leaves the Jalapoa Alliance, or, to call it by its real name, the Stephen/JT alliance. Will we see this unlikely pair succeed or will they also fall?
Seeing them in the F2 would certainly fit with overcoming first impressions but we have heard them twice reject “sure things”. After Brendan offered to take them to the end, we now heard Debbie doing the same. Both were immediately dispatched so those scenes could have been included to show when they made their fatal mistakes.
The Characters
Coach : The jurors reactions tell us how much Coach would be an attractive Final 2 opponent but there was much more than simple misdirection in what JT and Stephen said about Coach. The craziness he brings in camp should end his story.
JT: There were plenty of quotes from JT that could prove ironic if he were to fall at Final 4.
- No one wanting 3rd place.
- Stephen winning immunity being just as good as if he won it.
- No one knowing what was going on in the tribe.
We had some nice scenes of JT with his sisters, he wasn’t as neglected as Coach and Debbie during the visit but it was all about how much everyone loves JT back at home just like in the show. We didn’t hear a single reference to the game.
Taj: The ultimate sacrifice she made by leaving her family behind to be on the show could be the way the editors punched her ticket to the end. It’s impossible to judge how her portrayal during Exile Island could be interpreted because CBS was certainly going to want to cash in on Eddie’s appearance. Troubling for her is that we didn’t hear any of the 4th quarter prep that she had with Eddie. She must have talked about her alliance with Stephen and JT but we didn’t hear what her game plan was.
Stephen: He is reaching the point where we should ask how he can win this thing but, instead, Stephen is becoming more arrogant about his position. “We are in a dominating position”, “we can pick them off one by one” are not what we usually hear from the winner unless he had been portrayed as an evil mastermind, like Brian or Hatch. That hasn’t been Stephen’s role. He has been shown as a nerdy, likeable, intelligent player who hesitates to make the tough decisions. There is an inconsistency in his portrayal if his role is to be the winner. There are no such inconsistencies if his role was to be the young man that came of age and turned into a warrior as Coach presented him.
Stephen had a nice visit with his brother but there was nothing game related.
Mainly, Coach would be too happy to vote for Stephen and I cannot see Coach leaving the reunion without every one of his illusions revealed for what it was.
Erinn: Once more, I am left with Erinn. There were some troubling scenes during this episode, mainly in the recap where Erinn didn’t make a move to go with Jalapao but was said to have been pulled in. Her vote for Stephen was also called a rogue vote, not something very positive. On the other hand, since it didn’t amount to anything as far as Stephen was concerned, calling it a rogue vote meant the editors wanted to let us know she isn’t blindly following. During the Auction, she wasn’t heard making a single bid which could be seen as a dumb move but she explained why she gave her money to Taj. During the IC, Jeff singled her out as the last member to go under the first obstacle in the IC but she had told us she was counting on Stephen and JT to keep it away from Debbie.
However, her visit with her father had everything you’d want to show in a winner. We saw the emotions and she ended her story about being a girly girl who was simply proud to be there when she told her father that she was really doing this, that she was a badass. She was the only one that discussed the game when she said it was good to have someone who wouldn’t use what she said against her. That showed she was still being careful about giving her trust to any of her opponents.
It is hard to know how much weight to put on visuals but twice during Jeff’s comments about the end game, it was Erinn that was shown on screen.
Erinn would be in trouble if Coach were to win immunity. I don’t know how she could win jury votes and, despite my criticism, Stephen has a beautifully edited story. That being said, there were more clues that Erinn will win the title of Sole Survivor. Coach would be pissed off!

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Okay, I wrote this first entry last night, but this AM it was NOT here, so I wrote another, after I wasn't so tired...I like it better...sorry...my computer "ain't" what it used to be...

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Definately astute observations, CTGirl and michel...michel, as always, your editing interpretation is just stellar...if you nail Erinn as the winner from so far back, we all will bow down to you! But, while I know she is not your personal choice for the top spot, you have her there with the editing, but I still, like OFG, just do not see how she could win.
She is definately one of the starring characters as she has perservered and endured against high odds. She clearly was the "cancer" in the old Timbira tribe and was spared as they kept on winning. But, she did not make alot of friends. I closely associated her story in the first half of the show, as the nemesis to the character that is Coach. I associated them together, as when one goes the other will follow. And, for now, I am still going to hold on to this. I expect Coach to go next, so, we will see. People have pointed out that Erinn could win a challenge at the end which would bump up her placement at a critical time. However, I do not see her winning the spider challenge. That is a very physical challenge, and while it contains a puzzle at the end, I just don't see how Erinn could possibly do all of that physical stuff, prior to the challenge, she will be out of it. (I recall the insider clip when she falls in the water, while just standing there...last week, at the IC, she was dead last...just don't see her winning an endurance challenge either.)
There is an awful lot of misdirection in the show now, as the editors seem to want to create questions when there are not any...Sierra told us in her post boot interviews that Stephen and JT promised her that Debbie and Coach would go next, and as the wise ole Brownroach noted, there is no reason that this would not take place(except the EDITING that surrounded Erinn's vote for Stephen and his non verbal communication that was underlined...still think this will mean something later???) So, I think that it will indeed be Coach next. And, from the previews we are starting to see Erinn causing trouble...Stephen <in confessional>: Erinn really can't control what she says.
Jeff Probst: Erinn loses ground with her new alliance.
Stephen: I just thought it was just like so tasteless.
Erinn <talking to Taj>: I'd hate for anything I said to make me go home before Coach.
So, she is beginning to come on the radar, and yes, that is what we expect...for her to go out at F4, and at this point, I do not see her winning that F4 IC....will JT or Stephen turn on each other or Taj, and would Taj turn on them? AT this point I am skeptical. The editing does like to create suspense, however, as we hear thunder after Stephen and JT voice their 100% trust of each other, or we see a crocodile hovering when the Jalapao's are talking together in the water...foreshadowing or misdirection? At this point I am beginning to be more swayed that it is indeed misdirection.
Also, it's very important to recognize that at the end, it seems that the one that is edited to win, usually falls just short...who seems most likely to win at this point? Stephen, perhaps? I definately could be wrong about Erinn, it's just that I don't like her. She had a very poor social game in the beginning, she didn't win any immunities, she doesn't seem very bright, she's got a mouth, she wasn't very respectful in her commentary at the native village feast, and then she throws up, she betrayed her original tribe asap, and they all knew she would, and now she's letting the others use her as they see fit...I just don't respect her game play, and while she did receive a vote that she was the weakest link on her tribe(as did Stephen), I don't consider her a worthy winner, and would Jiffy really say this is the best winner in a long time, if Erinn indeed were to win? I just don't know.
Other things I noted in this episode:
When Deb came across JT and Stephen talking about her, when Stephen was imitating her and using a Debbie voice, "I think it's clearing up", etc, and Deb approached them, stating, "Are you two talking aobut me?", then she adds that she is commited to these two, "may God strike her down" and then thunder roars, and we see Deb pinky swear to Stephen, while she hugs JT. Deb likes JT more than Stephen, so if they are in the F2 together, JT would get Deb's vote?
Next, there is the auction, and Taj is the star of the auction, but only because we know that Jeff loves the love and she won it, because as Erinn noted, she has a baby. But, I have to interject this here, Taj recieved not ONE confessional in the entire show...I just don't see Taj as a significant player in this end game...I still expect her to get burned somehow by letting Stephen hold her idol...I don't know, maybe the idol will not be played. However, Taj is just letting everybody else do what they gotta do...I don't see her as the winner and I think this little family reunion with her all-star husband could be a nice little ending to her story...don't know for sure...
I did notice that JT was the first to give all of his money to Taj.
I thought that they all had nice confessionals with their families, and it is what it is...Erinn underlined that she was perceived as the girly girl but has survived the rugged life in Brazil, again she has indeed made a journey. Is she our journey player or winner, or both? I don't know...
After the family members leave, JT notes that Deb wants to throw Coach under the bus, Coach wants Taj to go, JT is a few steps ahead of Caoch. Deb declares again that she cares most about JT and Stephen and offers them the IN if she should win it at F3, because she's happy with third, and swears to God.
Stephen notes that he doesn't know Deb very well, doesn't know what her swears to God mean, but it was a very lucrative offer.
Then Stephen, JT, and Erinn are walking and saying that Deb will say anything to get in theF2, Erinn says, "Ok, she's out, Yep, yep, she goes...do not let her win immunity.
JT notes that nobody wants third place in this game...possible foreshadowing, perhaps?
Cut to the IC, Stephen wins, JT chokes but he's just happy with Stephen, he sees Stephen's necklace, everytime something goes our way, I just smile, we keep battling it out, keep doing what we are doing, we can do this!" JT is very upbeat and encouraged now...build up for a fall? then we cut to a rattlesnake poised to strike...misdirection or not?
Stephen then tells us, JT and I came into merge expecting to be picked off. Now we are in the dominant position...others are begging for our mercy. To have done that together, with Taj and JT, to have stuck tight (we now see Jt, Taj, and Stephen in the water together hugging), even when all of these other factions were vying for our attentions (Deb and Erinn shown in the tent and Coach seen walking alone), we feel prety good with that!...then see a CROCODILE pop up in the water...again, misdirection to create doubt, or foreshadowing of evil things to come?
JT tells Taj that Deb promised if she wins the F3, she would give up immunity and take third place...in the same day she said we've got to get rid of Erinn(JT laughs), so, JT told Erinn, when you walked off just then, Deb just threw you under the bus, she said Coach, then you (Erinn), then of course Taj.
Taj says Eddie asked her if she were ok out here, and "I said I have two brothers that are taking care of me..." JT answers, we will take care of you. See, here it is again, will Taj be a victim....she wouldn't be if she were out at F1, F2,F3, but would if she were out at F4? I really don't think Erinn will win the F4, SO, if she does not, TAJ should make it to the F3. Again, misdirection to create doubt/suspense, or foreshadowing?
JT says that Taj is very trusting of Steve and myself, but we're the only two guys out here and it's good to know that she's still sticking with us, but no one else in this entrie tribe knows what's really going on like Stephen and I do... Croc seen know opening his mouth Is the crocodile going to eat JT or Taj? or even perhaps, Stephen?
To JT, Stephen: The more I think about it, this Debbie thing is not a good idea, what do you think? Stephen in confessional: She's a hard worker around camp, she's strong and positive presence, he thinks she would step aside at F3 and let me or JT have it (then Coach comes and interupts JT and Stephen, and Stephen is seen again finishing his confessional..."The other downside of losing Debbie is: 3 more days here with Coach".
JT doesn't want to reassure Coach, he hates lying to him, and once he's lied he wants to get those people out of the game as soon as he can. Coach is indeed a marked man, it's "his time"
Then we have the scene with Stephen and JT where Stephen is sounding a bit arrogant...they are collecting rain water,
Stephen and JT are seen still questioning why no one else wants to vote them out...JT says, "I don't know why not, neither", and Stephen responds, "I know, they all know that we're sort of running things. They want to get on our good side, rather than ##### us off..."
Stephen again tells us the rationale behind their train of thought, their direction..."Whether or not Deb is scheming, whether or not Coach is delusional right now, it doesn't matter. We need to figure out each move strategically to make things easier for the net move. We don't need any of them to be loyal right now as long as we are a strong alliance, we can pick them off one by one...this is where we hear a big clap of thunder...misdirection or foreshadowing?
Then TC ensues. At the end of it we see Deb blows a kiss, Coach is seen smiling at her, then Deb is seen walking away....then JT is seen, then Coach, then Stephen....Stephen is seen when we hear Jiffy say...There is no doubt that the best players,then Jiffy is seen saying: will make it to the end(then Erinn is seen), then while Jiffy says "of the five of you" as all five are seen with Stephen sitting in the middle wearing the IN, then Jiffy seen when he says, "who's the best of the best?" Then JT is seen as he says, "get back to camp", good night
So, with this show, Taj had no confessionals, Erinn had 2, Coach had 2, Debbie had 4, Stephen had 5, and JT had 8....Debbie is toast, Coach will be next, I think Taj could be next, but the expected thing would be for Erinn to be out at F4, and I don't think Erinn will win the F4 challenge, so it follows that Taj should be the F3...but, JT and Stephen could choose to take Erinn, but I doubt that they would??? If Erinn survives to F3, barring a critical IC win for Erinn, which indeed is possible...although, as I have stated, I don't see her winning an IC, F2 should indeed be Stephen and JT. The Final IC will be the determinant, and at that point, the one who wins it, deserves it...I would be shocked if Stephen or JT turned on each other...

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05-11-09, 09:30 AM (EST)

158. "RE: Episode 11 "

Nice analysis FP. Misdirection or Foreshadowing, that is the question!
I'd like to address some of your points:
- "I still, like OFG, just do not see how she could win."
I don't see how either! But Chris seemed doomed at 7, Danni at 4 and Bob at 5. Tom seemed doomed the minute he lost immunity. Parvati seemed unable to win a jury vote. Then game happened. The editing doesn't tell us much about the game's mechanics, just the characters.
- "she did not make alot of friends"
And, quite unnecessarily, we were told why.
- I closely associated her story... as the nemesis to the character that is Coach...when one goes the other will follow
He had the alliance, he had the numbers but she managed to escape his attention. Now, she has the numbers. Not a bad turn around. She certainly could leave right after Coach but his plan of changing the game from start to end would still live on with a JT or Stephen win. That plan was a huge part of this season's story and Erinn would be the one to end it.
-she doesn't seem very bright
True, but the editors didn't paint her as a dumb player either. Instead they let us hear one of the most insightful TC reply when she told Debbie that she didn't know if she could trust people and this was revisited with her confessional about her dad.
-she's got a mouth
And most of her comments were funny, snarky remarks about Coach. The negative comment she made about Jerry was balanced by her desire to stay in the game and completely erased from the recap.
-she wasn't very respectful in her commentary at the native village feast.. she threw up
It was very neutral but it was there. JT and Tyson were ignored and Debbie had the motherly comments. Tom was shown falling over drunk.
-she's letting the others use her as they see fit...would Jiffy really say this is the best winner in a long time, if Erinn indeed were to win?
But she was heard saying that she was making her own decisions and the move against Tyson was presented as her initiative. (Yes, that was also erased from the recap.)
As for Jiffy, he could already be selling an Erinn win.
From his blog: "Debbie is right, you do have to make a big move to win the game, Debbie just made her big move way too late... When Erinn turned, so did the game."

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159. "RE: Episode 11 "

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Definately see all of your points, michel....but still just don't see it....would'nt be the first time...

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05-13-09, 11:40 PM (EST)

160. "The F2 suspense"

I sure enjoyed both of these Ep 11 analyses. I have not sat down and watched the episodes in a careful observing mode. I've only been watching once, which is always with a focus towards what will happen immediately and how am I entertained. It is wonderful to have all the details brought out, and I thank you both.
Example, I did not notice what you both pointed out in the comment "no one wants to be third place." Indeed, we have often seen the "best player" finish in 3rd place in a F2 season, and I believe that's why the producers switched to a F3 format - to make it harder to simply knock out the best competition at the end, so that there will be at least two people in front of the jury who deserve to win the game. (Didn't work out that well in Gabon, IMHO).
These players, however, know there will be a F2, and so do the fans, so the real suspense that I see now is - will JT and Stephen go from playing as brothers in arms to "only one person wins a million dollars and it's going to be me" mode? Or will they play "let's get to the end and let the jury choose the winner"
Or will they end up like Rafe and Steph, with that one player from the picked off tribe squeaking through via immunity, and possibly making the choice for them? But I do agree with FP that Erinn does not seem to have the wherewithal to win that spider challenge. That looks like a JT challenge to me.
In which case, someone needs to make a big move or Erinn will be gone without any kind of fire challenge.
I look forward to seeing whether anyone does make a game changing move at either F4 or F3.

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161. "RE: Episode 11 "

michel,
I really should have listened to you, and remembered my own impression that Erinn's first episode appearance was significant. I should have known she would outlast Debbie. Kudos to you!
I am still not convinced she goes past F4. The first episode could have highlighted her as the last Timbira member as well as the winner.
>>>But Chris seemed doomed at 7, Danni at 4 and Bob at 5. Tom seemed doomed the minute he lost immunity. Parvati seemed unable to win a jury vote.
Yes, gamewise these guys at some obstacles. However, I pegged Chris as possible winner in Ep 1, and Danni just from Ep 1 and JP's comments on her. I expected they might win. With Tom and Bob, I expected them to win if they made it to the end.
With Erinn, I don't see her as the winner because I don't see her as getting the votes. That's different than not getting to the end. Also, I think the editors learned from Danni (and Vee) that the audience doesn't like it when a woman wins and hasn't been featured. At least I hope they have.
I also agreed from the outset with Veruca's observation that the men were highlighted and the women were not in Ep One. I thought at the time that the men were going to dominate this seaaon, and a man would win, as I felt in the Fiji opening.
Can't fairly comment on Parvati, because I didn't like her either time, so I didn't want to think she would win. However, I felt there was some very good foreshadowing that she would win, and I feared she would all along.
I think it is either Stephen or JT, but I have no idea whether they will end up facing off against each other. I feel fairly sure that Stephen has some idea of trying to get to the end without JT, as he wants to win. JT wants to win, but thinks he can beat Stephen. Stephen knows how popular JT is. I can see him trying to take either Taj or Erinn. However, if JT wins immunity, Stephen's wishes are irrelevant!

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05-14-09, 08:05 AM (EST)

162. "RE: Episode 11 "

OFG, I can't really argue with your points. The Stephen/JT story certainly overshadows Erinn and either would make a better winner.
I will note something: "Stephen knows how popular JT is."
I will add that, after the auction, Stephen knows how popular Taj is also. Is that why we heard him say that he doesn't know who Eddie George is? Will he forget that Taj has a big handicap against the jury and vote her out because she is much more popular than Erinn? If he's the one to vote out both Taj and JT, the jury could hold it against him.
Writing this down, it gives new meaning to some comments by JT. I don't have the exact quotes but we know that JT:
- Would return with a winchester to get even with those who hurt him.
- He hates to lose and is a sore loser.
- He might not think that Stephen winning the million is as good as himself winning it.
Just like it was the Exile Alliance's game to lose, the Warrior Alliance's game to lose, I think it's Stephen's game to lose. He could do it by overplaying his hand. JT has appeared like the leader of Jalapao to the Timbira members. Stephen wanted JT to think of him as his goofy sidekick but everyone else may think that also. Would the jury reward someone if they felt he only followed JT and did the cowardly thing by getting rid of him at the last minute?

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05-14-09, 04:11 PM (EST)

163. "RE: Episode 11 "

Those are great points, michel!
My thoughts:
TAJ: Taj is very popular as a person and has not hurt anyonedirectly, but that doesn't necessarily mean she could be voted the best player. I do not think Brendan, Tyson, or Coach would vote for her, and the other votes are dubious. Plus she is rich. They wanted her to see her baby; that is not the same as wanting her to win the mil.
Conc: Taj is a better F2 opponent for either JT or Stephen than going against each other. Also, Jeff in his blog called her second tier smart. Would he say that about the "best winner" in several seasons?
Erinn: as a turncoat she is not well liked by Timbira, and she is getting flack this episode for her mouth. Even thought jumping tribes is a big game move, it never seems well regarded at the end. Look at how Johnathan THE RAT was treated.
Stephen: I totally agree. He looks to have overplayed the goofball brainiac in order to stay UTR. Side note: Stephen's official bio states that he plans to use his Muppet appearance and goofiness to deceive people about what a devious backstabbing game player he is. Stephen has played nicer than he expected, perhaps due to JT's influence.
JT: I think JT has the whole package. Brendan wanted to annoint him right off. Sierra likes him. Tyson has to admire that he outwitted him. Coach gave the game away to him. Right there he has the win.
I think Stephen is the better player, but that has been revealed in airing the show.
I think Stephen would win if he went to the end with Taj, or Erinn, and that's it.
There was an interesting Insider clip where JT says of himself and Stephen that we're playing for one of to win the million and the other to win a hundred thousand dollars. The way it came off was that they were playing for F2 and then one of them would win and one would win second place, and it would be a great outcome.
However, JT can feel good about that outcome because he just naturally assumes he'll be the top dog, at least I feel he has that kind of confidence.
I don't know what Stephen will do. Yes, he could hurt his own chances by offing JT, but I think this group would respect the game move and not penalize him by giving the game to either Taj or Erinn. However, it may be a moot point, as JT has the ability to control his own destiny by winning the last challenges.

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05-15-09, 12:29 PM (EST)

164. "RE: Episode 11 "

The love story between Stephen and JT will (obviously) end with the next episode, but I think it's actually going to happen very quickly. This feels like it's been a long time coming, and it's interesting to see how their relationship has grown even since episode 1. Recently JT has been getting cocky and putting down the other players for being stupid in what they say. So their arc has hit a peak and one of them will be next. My prediction is JT based on early episode editing:
Stephen was given one of the first confessionals of the game, and immediately pegged as a weak player who could be lead around. As this is a game of first impressions (per noted in early episodes by VS FP and Michael), Stephen is the one of the two who has really changed. He had that one significant EI where he finally made fire, and Coach has acknowledged him as a warrior in his own right. JT has always been the same JT: the strong friendly country boy.
Stephen has also been associated with backstabbing, and I refuse to believe he's not observant enough to note JT befriending everyone on the jury. I imagine he'd want to finally use that intial alliance with Taj and take out JT, or lock him in a tie.
I think that JT finally winning immunity ends his story on the island. He's been shown a lot annoyed at not winning, and now that he finally has, there's a big chance he'll be losing the next challenge or the fire challenge. I think that would really be a fitting way for either him or Stephen to be voted out.
Of course, one of them could win immunity. It's hard to see Erinn or Taj winning.

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165. "RE: Episode 11 "

JT's good old country boy image seems to have peaked, doesn't it? His ego is showing alot more lately. Stephen really seemed to notice something this past episode. JT was not going to vote for Coach. JT had the closer bond with Coach. Coach would have taken JT to the end, not Stephen. And JT also does not seem to feel as close to Taj as Stephen does. JT would keep Errin and dump Stephen's ally Taj. Stephen has to see JT is playing for himself. Not for "them". The editing seems to really be changing with JT and Stephen. The arrogance is being shown. JT would be the ultimate blindside. He would probably win the jury vote over everyone else. And JT is edited to expect to be in the finale. Stephen is the thinker. Will he start to put out the suggestion to the females that JT needs to go?

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05-15-09, 03:23 PM (EST)

166. "RE: Episode 11 "

Great comments, Emerald and Loree.
I am a Stephen fan, but am afraid to hope he will win as I'm usually disappointed.
I want to bring over Jeff's assessment from his latest blog entry. It's always tricky trying to guess what JP is hiding, as we know he knows how it went down, but I'm just looking at it straight as an assessment of how JP sees their popularity with the jury.
J.T. – If he gets to the final two he probably wins...unless he goes up against...
TAJ – This would be quite a show down. Two of the most well liked people in the game.
STEPHEN – Best bet is to go up against Erinn, who he could probably beat.
ERINN – A long shot due to her betrayal – hard for her to get votes from the former Timbira members on the jury. Might be smart to take her all the way to the end.
So michel was right about how popular Taj is (and I was right about how unpopular Erinn is).
The editing is showing JT as more and more cocky. The thing is, I would be surprised if he loses that F4 challenge. He and Stephen are the only ones with the food energy in them, and it's very physical, and JT is very fast.
We have not been shown anyone considering whether to keep Erinn in the game as a F2 goat. Either so we'll be surprised when it happens or because the Jalapao really do plan to get to F3 before they have a showdown. I honestly don't know.
It's not like the usual editing to map out the way to the end so clearly, but it's been done. For example, in recent seasons, China, and Cook Islands, similar longstanding alliances marched all the way to the end. Fans vs Faves too, in spite of all the surprise boots, Cirie/Parvati/Amanda offed Natalie at F4 and stuck to their Faves alliance. It could be a JT/Stephen F2, with JT winning because Stephen's game is underestimated, just that simple.

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05-16-09, 05:48 PM (EST)

167. "Episode #12: Editing Thoughts:"

From the last episode, Jeff said that “Coach thought he was in the driver’s seat,” We saw him talking to Debbie about the cowards. Jeff added: “But Debbie turned on her old ally… so the Jalapao 3 and Erinn decided Debbie was too dangerous to keep around.”
We see Stephen, JT and Erinn walking in the woods, Erinn saying: “She goes.”
“Coach was clueless as he watched his long term ally go home.
Can Coach regain control?”
Note that there were plenty of scenes where JT and Stephen said Debbie had to go yet the editors chose to let us hear Erinn pronouncing the sentence.
Forza
Night 33
Coach returning to camp: “I’m in shock…”
JT told Coach that his number one ally was gunning for him.
Stephen asked: “You know who wrote your name down, right?”
Coach could hardly believe it when JT said that Debbie wanted to send him home.
Coach: “JT, Erinn, Taj and Stephen mounted a counter-attack against Debbie to save me…I think this game is still played with honesty and it’s the first time that I am almost speechless. Almost! I just want to talk to JT and Stephen and ask them to tell me when I’m going because, obviously, Coach Wade is no longer in control of this game.”
Forza
Day 34
Stephen, JT and Coach were talking around the fire pit, JT once more shown struggling to make fire.
Coach asked if Erinn was still going next but, more importantly, it seemed Coach wanted to know who would be sent to Exile.
JT hated to send the girls over and over.
Coach agreed the noble thing to do would be for JT or himself to go but that he had scarred his lungs inhaling smoke.
Coach had a confessional about his asthma and his backaches.
Stephen: “Oh God! JT and I are eager to send Coach to Exile. He’s been so skittish about it. He’s been selling out everyone, trying to get them to go before him… I’m not entirely sure Coach can build a fire and cook food by himself. I don’t know, I think he’s scared.”
JT: “Coach is really scared to go to Exile. Such an adventurous souls as Coach shouldn’t be scared to go to Exile. I’m ready to test him. Also, we are planning on sending Coach home at the next tribal council so it would be nice to have him come very weak at the next Immunity Challenge.”
The Reward Challenge
Fun comments: “Everybody following JT except Taj. She is going her own way. Somebody is going to be right, somebody is going to be wrong. Stephen hits a dead-end. Taj hits a dead-end. JT’s on the right course. Coach taking the smart strategy, he’s just going to follow JT, Erinn’s going to follow Coach and JT. Erinn right in it. Taj and Stephen: falling out of it.”
These words could be an indication of who makes the Final 2 but they can be taken 2 ways:
1- The editors made a point to include “somebody is going to be wrong” immediately before Stephen and Taj were shown hitting a dead-end: Final 2 => JT and Erinn
(This option was reinforced when Jeff added that JT was on the right course, he had the smart strategy and Erinn was right in it.)
2- Erinn will be voted out immediately following Coach and JT: Final 2 => Stephen and Taj.
Any other combination would mean that these fun comments were only that.
(Jeff’s “Now you need to start working on that pole” was a fun comment on another level!)
Erinn was heard saying: “Guys, help me out here.”
She will need help later on. Will she get it?
Interestingly, we heard Erinn 4 times after some of Jeff’s comments:
- “Come on JT” after Jeff noted that the challenge was down to Coach and JT.
- “You’re strong” after Jeff said JT hit his first target.
- We heard her laughing as Jeff said JT hit his second target.
- “You’re awesome” after JT had won reward.
Having to send someone to Exile, JT first asked for volunteers and then turned to Coach to do the noble thing.
Erinn thanked JT.
Probably in an attempt to psych himself up, Coach accepted the challenge, saying: “I’m going to take the monastic approach. I’m not going to build a fire, I’m not going to eat. I’m just going to meditate.”
Erinn didn’t like hearing that: “He’s going to take the martyr approach so that, when he comes back, he will not have eaten, not have slept and not have had any water. Minimizing the experience of some I feel like. He’s having an excuse when he doesn’t win immunity.”
We saw Jeff and JT with disapproving expressions.
Coach said: “That’s pretty harsh.”
Erinn replied: “It’s kind of how I feel, sorry.”
Jeff asked if there was something to what Erinn had said.
Coach said he wanted it to be tough on him but that it wasn’t to minimize the experience of others. He was disappointed in Erinn. “Since the beginning of the game she’s tried to cut me down and when people do that, it’s to vault themselves over. I think she wants to leave here with the toughest exile experience and I don’t want to take that away from her.”
Erinn was shown reacting to that with a mocking smile.
Coach went on about his injuries. Taj’s look said what she thought of him.
As JT picked Stephen to go along, Taj and Erinn shared a hug saying they would be fine.
JT: “Coach looked like he was going without a fight but Erinn had to rub it in his face. She just shot herself in the foot. People are so dumb in this game, they talk way too much. It’s going to hurt her, not me. ”
Forza
Day 34
We could have gone to Exile or to the reward but the choice was to show this scene first.
Erinn and Taj were smiling as they returned to camp.
Taj: “JT won and took Stephen on reward which is fine. The guys could go and have a good time; I’m not worried at all. I feel very confident in my alliance with Stephen and JT. We vowed that we would go to the Final 3 together and we will.”
Careful Taj, people who mention such confidence in numbers usually get a surprise.
Erinn told Taj: “I feel a little guilty about what I said. It wasn’t the appropriate venue to say that. It’s a conversation that I probably should have had with him.”
Taj replied: “No, no. He’s a jerk…It makes me sick. I’m ready to send him home. You know what kills me? He’s talking about how he is so broken down but he was fine when he was on JT’s heels and, if he had won, the warrior would have been back.”
Erinn said: “I don’t understand the man, I don’t understand his motives. I would hate, hate, hate for anything that I said today to send me home before him.”
Taj told her not to worry.
Erinn: “My strategy definitely is to go as far as I can with JT and Stephen. I would hate for anything I said to change the way Stephen and JT view me but this is really the time where you do start to get really paranoid about this stuff.”
Exile Island
With Coach out of the game, we can skip his soliloquy and just note that he got a very nice edit for his departure. He was accompanied by a musical march and a helicopter was sent in to give us some panoramic views of him on top of the dune.
About the game, he asked God to forgive Erinn for having negative thoughts about him, he was glad he had the last word and he hoped she was going home next.
“She’s certainly going to get my vote.”
(That’s probably not foreshadowing of a FTC vote.)
Governor’s Retreat
JT: “This is probably the best reward I could ask for… You can tell that there were some big parties thrown in this place!”
Stephen: “We looked at ourselves in the mirror and that was a shock!”
Stephen went on to narrate the churrasco.
At the end of the feast, JT raised his glass: “Buddy, to the Final 2 in this game.”
Stephen: “Final 2!”
They didn’t read my earlier warning to Taj
JT added: “We got this thing, man! There is no reason why you and I shouldn’t be sitting in the Final 2.”
Stephen: “Coach totally depends on us.”
JT: “I will take Coach to the final 3. Erinn went at him today and that was a dumb move on her part.”
Stephen: “Today at the reward, Erinn goes on a rant about how Coach… is giving himself excuses. There was no reason to rub salt in his wounds. She can’t control what she says which is not a great trait in a potential ally. Erinn doing that, it kind of makes me want to keep her less.”
To JT, he asked: “What did it do for her? It wasn’t something strategic.”
JT: “You can never tell, man.”
Stephen: “That’s when people get screwed over.”
JT: “Hopefully, she will get screwed over.”
If they wanted us to believe that Erinn would go home, making a return visit to Exile Island defeated that purpose. Note that, when you look only at the game talk, the 3 scenes were all centered on Erinn. Did we need all that doubt surrounding her future when JT’s words at the challenge would have sufficed? It gives the impression that this is doubt for further down the line.
Exile Island
Day 36
The music was now funereal. We can note that Coach was shown in the identical pose that we had seen Stephen; lying on his back in the water with vultures circling around. Because it meant Coach’s end in the game, it would have the same meaning for Stephen, only in a delayed fashion.
Quoting Marcus Aurelius, Coach planned on winning immunity.
The Immunity Challenge
First thing to note is that we skipped Day 35 in Forza.
Slowly, Coach returned from Exile, leaving Taj unimpressed.
Taj : “When Coach returned with his cane and he’s limping, I’m thinking this guy is such a drama queen… Any 37 year old man who thinks he is a Dragon Slayer belongs in a mental institution. They need to come and get him. Only, we have tribal council and he’ll be free and they can take him home.”
JT handed Coach some water.
As they stood on their perch, Taj’s reacted to Coach words of bravado by crossing her eyes. Erinn was smiling. However, she fell off just as they were going to the last perch. Stephen and Taj soon followed.
Jeff said: “We are down to 2… the listener and the talker. The young buck and the older warrior battling it out.”
JT asked if there was going to be a food offer, saying he would step down for a steak.
Coach said he may as well step down “Unless you are planning on voting me out tonight.”
Coach battled with his words: “I trust you JT, you know that. You are a man of your words and there are few of those left in this world.”
Jeff noted it was just what Coach wanted, a battle against the best.
JT was looking very comfortable and, after 50 minutes, to a swell in the music, Coach stepped down, JT won immunity and Coach collapsed. Stephen rushed to his side. They, (well everyone except Erinn) helped him to the bench and Jeff asked if he wanted medical to look at his back. Coach wasn’t about to let that happen.
Anti-climactically, Jeff gave JT the necklace, Coach noting that JT could have gone much longer.
Stephen: “It looked like Coach had really been suffering… I felt bad for the guy. But you know Coach is still the Dragon Slayer and {there was a very clearly audible cut in the audio right here} a really strong competitor. If I want to win this game, I want people I can beat in the finals.
The audio cut makes me wonder if Stephen was still talking about Coach at that point. Was he already plotting against JT, the real strong competitor?
Forza
Day 36
Everyone congratulated JT.
Erinn: “Coach was really ridiculous today. He was like he could barely move and then he was standing on these things for like an hour.” In the shelter, Taj was telling Erinn that he was full of it and Erinn’s confessional continued: “He’s been walking around since we’ve been back. You’re not as broken down as you’re trying to make yourself look and, I’m ready for him to go home.” They concluded that it was an excuse.
JT told Coach that Erinn and Taj would vote for him but that he and Stephen would vote out Erinn. Stephen joined them, saying that what Erinn said was tasteless and classless.
Stephen: “JT and I sat down with Coach and we reassured him that the Warrior Alliance was good, Erinn was going home tonight. JT is going to vote for Erinn because he feels like he promised Coach that he would but I don’t know what I am going to do. It’s really tricky right now.”
Coach said he was done with surprises at Tribal.
They walked off to meet Jeff with Coach saying: “It looks like, after all the blindsides, Coach Wade is going to be the last tribe members left of what used to be Timbira. I am the last of the Mohicans.”
Tribal Council
Wen Jeff ushered in the jury, the cameras focused on 2 remaining players: Erinn and JT. Coach was also seen but only in regards to his old ally Debbie. Was this to reveal our Final 2?

Jeff started with Coach’s comment about making it the hard way on exile, noting that Erinn didn’t like that.
Erinn: “I didn’t… to go off and not eat and drink for 3 days, it just rubbed me the wrong way because it minimized the entire experience that the rest of us were having.” She agreed that Coach’s dramatics were upstaging her own stay on exile: “The time that I spent out there sucked. It was the worst thing I have ever done, I never want to do it again and you’re standing there, going: “I totally want to do that, that’s sounds awesome.” That sucks”.
Coach said he drew on his past experiences to make it easier on him. He added: “A lot of times men drop what they think is a pebble but women see a boulder dropping and crashing and have an overwhelming sense of judgment...” He went on to quote Mark Twain.
<Taj and Erinn didn’t seem to appreciate. Sierra was laughing>
Erinn told Jeff: “I never feel secure, ever. For the most part, someone will be surprised.”
Coach said it wouldn’t be a surprise because: “Women have great intuition.”
<Taj was shocked at that. Erinn and Debbie didn’t seem to like hearing that.>
Jeff was ready to get to the vote but Coach raised his hand and went into another soliloquy, a poem he had written for everybody to hear. The jury and Erinn went to sleep.
When Jeff said that the 12th person voted out was Coach, Sierra was seen jumping up joyously.
Jeff sent them back to camp, promising us a fun finish.
The Story
With no one speaking except Coach and Erinn, this tribal council seemed like the continuation of Timbira’s story, a sequel of the episode 3 TC where Erinn and Coach had their first showdown. Just like in another post merge scene where it was all about Timbira, this could be an indication that the season will come down to Timbira. Will Erinn win their votes? It would be quite an upset, especially since this episode gave us clues that JT could be the one joining her in the Final 2.
Taj: Most of her story in this episode was to support, to excuse, Erinn’s comments. If it was dumb to say those things in front of everyone, Taj told us that Coach had it coming. The only game comment Taj received was to tell us she felt secure in her alliance. It certainly sounded like foreshadowing that the Jalapao 3 will not be the Final 3.
Stephen: This seemed like his season but has he hit a dead-end? Once more, Stephen was presented with a decision, once more he was heard saying he didn’t know what to do and once more he let what seemed like a sure thing slip away. Just by seeing the jury’s reaction, could anyone think that Coach would be someone that would be hard to beat in the finals? Unless, as noted above, Stephen was already looking forward to voting out JT. For that, Coach had to be voted out because he was a solid vote in JT’s pocket. Of course, now that Coach has disowned him, he could be in a better position to claim victory.
JT: Jeff saying that he had the smart strategy during the challenge could have been to tell us that voting out Erinn would have been the smart strategy also. If so, then there can only be one conclusion: They missed their chance and that will be fatal. Showing us JT and Stephen toasting to the Final 2 seemed a little much if it was to happen. Maybe I love irony too much but that told me it wasn’t going to happen. But, if JT faces Erinn in the final 2, how can he lose? Maybe being Coach’s favorite will be his downfall.
Erinn: Maybe, as many think, Erinn will leave now because her story is over with Coach having been voted out. Her edit could be consistent with the valiant final member of a tribe.
Maybe I should have stayed with my first impression and say that Erinn was destined to lose the F2. She doesn’t seem to have the social skills to win votes but, to note, her 3 strongest scenes have happened at Tribal.
However, I still see more to her story than that. There was enough suspense built in a possible Erinn vote with JT, Coach and Stephen’s talk after the immunity challenge that all the talk post reward seemed to point to a later development. Looking like someone who can’t control what they say would be a good strategy, a good way to have people want to take you to the end. Despite what Stephen said, was it strategy? JT said it: “You can never tell.”
It feels like Erinn will have to answer to the (Timbira) jury and it has to be noted that Erinn’s reactions during this tribal were in communion with that jury. She was shown to connect with them. I think her answers will sway them.
It should be a fun finish.

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168. "RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts:"

michel, once again a marvellous analysis. Next season, maybe I will find the time to do this kind of blow by blow. I apologize that I come here and post and never do it. (And my specialty in literature is close reading). I could literally spend hours on it, so I don't even start.
LOL, so naturally I'm going to make counterpoints, because as you know, I still see a different story to the season. Interpreting editing surely has a subjective factor, so much influenced I think by what we have seen, and want to see, even if we want to see it straight on, not sure we can. At least I cannot.
For me this episode was first and foremost a tribute to Coach. I expected it to mock him mercilessly, and I don't think it did. I felt that Coach really was run down, and he was scared of Exile, and he met his fear head on by fasting. I guess I respected that. He came back that depleted and he almost beat JT. Well, perhaps not, but he beat everyone else.
In that light, I thought Erinn consistently came off just as Stephen described her, unnecessarily mean. While I don't doubt that the Coach mockers of the world were happy to see him get called on his act, it's just not nice in the game to go after someone who's on his way to a very bleak two days and make it be about yourself.
I saw Coach's words as a coping mechanism for himself, not as an attack on Erinn, so her comments to his face seemed over the top. Taj, OTOH, was funny, as snarky narrator.
JT came off as devious in this episode. He planned to send Coach to weaken him, but he pretended not to be set on it. His vote was strategic. I think that bodes well for him.
Stephen came off as more human, as a sympathetic person. I thought it was very positive for him that he narrated the mirror scene. I don't think this necessarily means he wins. This could just as well be a softening of character before a blindside, but it was interesting that his take took precedence over JT's.
I do have a different take about Stephen's indecisiveness that is shown.
1) It could be because he'll be the one to make the choice at F3, take JT or (most likely) Erinn.
2) The editors always want someone in power to say they don't know how they're going to vote, so that we can believe for a moment that the obvious boot might stay. There was an immediate point to the comment.
3) It shows that Stephen is always thinking about ramifications; that supports his edit as an intellectual. When you examine all potential consequences, the best path will often be unclear. I don't see that as a negative (but then I'm like that myself).
4) Erinn's mouth could be trouble for Stephen in the future.
Re the editing showing the happy F2 toast, yes, I think it could be shown.
For one thing, if the friendship is about to be tested, which we know it is, this sets up very clearly their intentions at F5, to be contrasted with what happens to people when they have the million right in front of them.
To me, this is the story that's being set up. As with the Rob and Amber story, the question is, will they turn on each other? To make that question central, it has to be set up just how tight they are, and how celebratory. So that we ask, what about Days 37, 38, 39? Will it get ugly? Will it be sad?
These two aren't going to keep dating, or get married, so when does self-interest step in? We saw Stephen saying he wants to go with someone he can beat, which immediately makes us wonder, what about JT? How could we not?
Re Erinn, I thought she was starting to get a semi-villain edit. Also she was shown not in control of her mouth, because SHE regretted it and said so to Taj. She didn't regret being mean, but regretted possibly alienating the guys she hopes to use.
I think she will be the one who overplays the F3 with too much talking (the lie), and does herself in in the process, perhaps similar to Debbie. The Timbira remnants needed to present themselves as unlikable and weak. If Erinn starts coming on as too tough a player at the end, she will start to worry JT and/or Stephen that she'll have the wherewithal to get the Timbira votes. She should just be shutting up and falling down right now, staying UTR. IMHO.
Even though I saw a lot of this differently, your ideas are very interesting and persuasive, giving the editors credit for much more subtlety than I do. I could see Erinn as ending up at F2. Gamewise, it could certainly happen.
Winner or not, she made F4 and I'm betting at least F3, so the notice you took of her edit was well justified.

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171. "RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts:"

Thank you OFG. I'm completely with you about the subjective interpretations of editing. I include the quotes of the players in an attempt to be true to the story but, even then, it's impossible. Something as simple as "I trust him" suggests partnership to the end or betrayal.
I'd love to read one of your in-depth analysis, I'm sure I'd learn a lot.
To your comments, I'd like to point out that the tribute to Coach was only in the middle section of the show. The hour started with Stephen and JT mocking Coach, telling us he was simply incapable of doing anything on his own. Erinn's comments didn't come out of the blue but were heard after that set-up.
The tribute to Coach ended when both Erinn and Taj showed us Coach walking and working in camp. Ruptured disk? Seeing Coach, the audience had to think "drama queen" or even "faker". If that wasn't enough, the jury's reactions said it all.
For me, Coach's Warrior Alliance was shattered when we heard him say his line of "men throw a pebble, women see a boulder crashing". With it, that alliance became another "Boys' club" where women are accepted only if they are pretty and shut-up (Debbie).
Regarding:
"I think (Erinn) will be the one who overplays the F3 with too much talking, and does herself in in the process, perhaps similar to Debbie... She should just be shutting up and falling down right now, staying UTR."
In conjunction with the "Boys Club", the underlined made me think of something else: With the exception of Sydney, all the women were voted out because they talked too much.
- Carolina was too bossy.
- Candace argued with Coach.
- Sandy wasn't voted because she was old and weak but because she was driving everyone crazy with her incessant ramblings.
- Sierra just couldn't let it go.
- Debbie opened her mouth and was booted.
Then we have Taj who was close to the edge when she showed her temper. After the merge, Taj was practically invisible for a few episodes, as if having learned her lesson. Taj would need to step up in order to win but it seems like it's too late.
Only one woman continued to express herself: Erinn. Maybe hiding Taj after the merge was so that she wouldn't upstage Erinn. The hairstylist won the key confrontation so maybe that is the moral of the story.
I really don't see a JT/Stephen F2 and when you brought up Rob and Amber it only solidified that perception. How often did we hear Rob wondering if "Ambah" was playing him? We also heard Amber questioning her alliance. Here, nothing has been heard directly from either JT or Stephen.
In my opinion, that makes JT/Stephen more like Tom and Ian than Romber. I just hope Erinn is more eloquent than Katie. She'll need to speak up and make her case to the jury.

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169. "RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts:"

It's interesting that they left this scene out. After watching it I felt much better towards Erinn. I'd guess for immediate purposes they wanted her to look like a viable target, but they did present an unbalanced view of Erinn by not showing her apology and her getting in touch with why she was really upset.
Note, they also took out a Coach moment where he wasn't being a jerk and apologized for saying something lame.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/video/video.php?cid=994965733&pid=fFk2ieErdmYNSf6oAiAJvQBpAde2UBxr&play=true&cc=123

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170. "RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts:"

Nice analysis michael. The amount of thought and effort that you and VS put into this thread is makes it a must read, even though I don't have the time to post.
Because the finale is today I wanted to add a few thoughts.
OFG, I saw that video as well. I also take careful notice of what is left on the cutting room floor. The fact that this with left out tells me that Erin is being set up as a villian. For the longest time I thought she was destined to go out at F4. I don't believe that anymore.
michael, I thought that the comment by Stephen wanting to have someone at F2 who he could beat was not only odd but out of place. The conversation was about Coach but it didn't seem to "fit" with what was going on, especially considering the fact that Stephen had already decided that he was going to vote for coach.
Before I get to the player analysis I wanted point out another editing oddity. During the Jury vote Stephen was shown looking shocked that there were two votes for Erin. I seem to recall that JT had all but said he was going to vote for Erin because her comments about Coach. This theme was continued in the previews for the finale. They seem to be trying to manufacture some tension between JT and Stephen where none has shown to exist to this point.
Taj--She has been religated to background making funny snarky comments. Not the type of edit for someone who has a major impact on the game. She was instrumental in the early blindsides but since then she has been shown as riding the coat tails of JT and Stephen. This is not the edit of someone who makes it the F3. Her story, as far as the game goes, peaked weeks ago.
Stephen--He's been shown as the cerebral strategist, which is what one would expect for a major player in the game who lacks physical abilities to compete in challenges. He's also not being giving a "winners" edit, that is, he isn't shown as the mastermind behind his and JT's alliance.
Erin--As I mentioned above she is being given the villian edit which makes her destined for at least F3. It's been so long since we've had a F2 that I'd almost forgotten that most of the F3's are given a villian edits when there are only 2 players who make the finale. A key to whether she makes the F2 will be seen in the finale. F3's in a F2 scenerio are not only shown negatively but also as players who didn't do anything to deserver to make it as far as they have.
JT--Everything I see has him in the F2. His winners edit was futher solidified when the reason for his voting for Erin was made known. He could have been very easily edited as a country bumpkin to Stephens cerebral strategist. We're always shown that he's playing this game on the same level as Stephen. Lastly, there just aren't a lot of negatives for him. He's shown as liked by everyone, yet there is hardly anything said about him being a threat that needs to be voted out. It's classic EPMB editing. The audiance knows what a good player he is, but those in the game are blissfully unaware.
One thing we know about the editing of this show is that winner is always given an edit that shows them as deserving of the win, even if that person is very unlikable. Hidding the winners edit hasn't happened since Vee won, and for a very good reason. The audiance doesn't want a winner they don't a know anything about or someone they believe is undeserving. The audiance may not like the winner but they want to believe that they are deserving.
Erin has been too hidden and edited as undeserving. Her comments about coach through out the episode where made to drive home the point that she is not a nice person and undeserving of winning. F3 or a possible F2 foil.
Taj although very likeable has been shown as riding the coat tails of the two players controlling the game. He not winning will not upset very many people even though she is likeable.
Stephen does have elements of a winners edit yet I can't shake the impression that the editing is shown him as more tied to JT than JT is to him.
JT has so much about him and his editing that makes him the winner. His negatives are almost nonexistence while his game play has been shown to be instrumental in almost all of the blindsides. Brendons comments early on at the merge about wanting JT to win have stuck with me.
Enjoy the final everyone.
DRONES

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05-17-09, 01:30 PM (EST)

172. "RE: Episode #12: Editing Thoughts:"

Thank you Drones for adding your comments. JT does have an interesting story and you bring up interesting points. Maybe I neglected him because a JT win would be too much of a "Coach win". From the start, I didn't think that man would walk away from the show and say "I was right, I changed the game."
I'd like to point to a few things:
"He's shown as liked by everyone, yet there is hardly anything said about him being a threat that needs to be voted out"
Winners are surrounded by doubt. Every episode of Palau included a comment by Gregg, Coby or Katie that Tom had to be taken out.
On the other hand, the well-liked Rafe was the surprise challenge champion of Guatemala and I pointed out at the time that we didn't hear anyone mentioning him as a threat to go all the way. We found out that it was unnecessary to include such doubts.
"most of the F3's are given a villian edits when there are only 2 players who make the finale."
Fairplay was the only true villain at F3. It would give too much credit to include Jenna L. and Scout as villains. Keith wasn't very well liked but not really a villain.
Rudy, Lex, Kathy, Jan, Rob, Ian, Rafe, Terry and Cirie weren't villains, some were actually shown as the best player of the season.

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05-18-09, 09:41 PM (EST)

173. "Post-Mortem"

Looking back, the themes of the story were to be taken at face value:
- The guy who made the best first impression on everyone was led to victory.
- The most worthy warrior won the game.
- Where Timbira, by Erinn's words, didn't know how to trust anyone, it was the guy who gave trust to others and, in doing so, earned their trust that had the right answer.
We got a likable winner but we lost the irony in the story.
Or I simply outwitted myself! I still had fun which is a good thing because, unlike Jeff, I don't get paid anyway.
Congratulations to FP and others who saw JT as the winner, I was convinced that Coach had to be wrong. When Sierra's story peaked too early, that left Erinn has the one that Coach would be least happy to see win. I hate the fact that we saw the ##### smile when Jeff said that two strong players were facing off in the end. It cheapened JT's victory.

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174. "RE: Post-Mortem"

michel,
I learned a lot from you this season. While Erinn didn't win, she was F3, the last woman in the game, and the last Timbira standing -- all major milestones! She went way beyond where I thought she would go at the time of the merge. You were the one who believed in her, so that's very astute of you.
I was one of those who believed in a JT/Stephen F2 as a real possibility fairly early on, and always believed a man was going to win this season. I WANTED to believe that JP's claim there was a great winner meant something more interesting than JT marching to the end uncontested, so I allowed myself to hope it would be Stephen, whom I enjoyed a lot more as a character. JT to me is pretty ho hum. However, I did think in my heart he would win and it was very unlikely that he would not.
As to Coach, you say:
>>> I was convinced that Coach had to be wrong.
Here is where you and I seem to differ in our beliefs about the editing. I always look at the story as something not totally in control of editing. They can do a lot but they also have to deal with how the game turned out.
In this case, the player Coach annointed won the game. That was the reality. Were the editors going to fling aside material that Probst considered golden in order to shape the outcome with interesting irony? No. All Probst cares about is what he thinks is great TV.
I mention Jeff because the handling of the show and spoilers changed dramatically after EPM bowed out of the hands on editing and shifted control over to Jeff. I remember an old interview with Jeff where he said that EPM wanted everything to be a mystery, hard to guess, but what Jeff likes is for people to see what's going on enough to be involved in the story.
In fact, with this blog, Jeff has gotten over-involved in trying to share the story through his lens and get us to see it as he saw it. It's apparent that his ideas of great TV clash with a lot of fans. Jeff is not a professional writer, and he doesn't necessarily see the need to make story arcs pan out as perfectly as they would in a good film.
So Coach was a character who could be mocked a little, but he did make changes in the game. He helped JT win. That's what happened. Probst wasn't going to bury that in order to make Coach look like a complete tool. Sufficient that Coach didn't get to partake in the victory.
What I'm trying to say is that we who look at the editing of this "reality" show are right that the events and characters are manipulated, but we should not get too attached to story arcs working out perfectly with the editing. Sometimes a character goes out before or after the "moment" that would best suit the character's story, but the editors still tell the story.
For example, as much as Taj's story could have been over after winning the auction and all of that emotional climax about her family, she wasn't ready to go then; she had more life in the game. That didn't stop the editors from celebrating her wife and mother status when the time came.
Or, the exile alliance. It fizzled, badly, compared to all the hype. But it was a big deal in that it brought Taj and Stephen closer, and Brendan and Sierra were separated from the rest of the Timbira. The four never got to together, not for one vote, but the ripples from the attempt lasted til the end of the game.
Likewise the hidden idol never mattered in the end game, unless you count Coach's attempt to vote Taj. The idol never got played, and was never even used to deflect votes the way it protected Sugar in Gabon. But the finding of it, the offer to share it with JT that Taj made, changed the game, and sent Sydney home. So it had to be played up early, even though the conclusion of the story was a big fizzle.
Then the fire-starting NOT accomplished by JT, accomplished by Stephen and Taj, was just an irony of the reality, and not a foreshadowing.
Point being that we cannot get hung up on things having a significance in the game action, specifically we should not assume that because something is shown repeatedly that it ends up being a big point in the game. It may just amuse the editors that JT fumbles at making fire when he's the consummate outdoorsman.
In a novel, or a teleplay, no details should be there that are merely extraneous to the story being told, but in episodic reality TV, there are always two stories being told, this week's story and the season story. I might add a third kind of story, which is an arc that may span two or three episodes and ends with a departure.
I'm not so wonderful at sorting them out from each other, but I do tend to sit back and discount the importance that some others put on events, and for the most part that worked out for me this season. I was very wrong about Debbie lasting longer though, and I refused to see the writing on the wall.
With Stephen I felt that he was F2, but would not win, because he wouldn't get the votes. I also was pretty sure Erinn wouldn't get the votes, but I have to say that because of you I was starting to think she had a good shot at the point she hit F3! At that point I could definitely see her path to the end, and the potential to beat Stephen, IF JT lost the immunity, Stephen won, took Erinn, and it backfired on him.

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05-19-09, 07:03 PM (EST)

176. "RE: Post-Mortem"

"Here is where you and I seem to differ in our beliefs about the editing. I always look at the story as something not totally in control of editing. They can do a lot but they also have to deal with how the game turned out."
I understand what you're saying, OFG, and I always considered that possibility but the editors manipulated many scenes to make us think that Coach had to be wrong. Among them:
- The scene about the storm.
- The special effects when he did his partial arts.
- Coach saying that the last thing anyone should do was to point blame and then shown doing just that.
-The bean scene.
- Showing him saying he would make a better leader than Brendan and wanting to vote him out even if there were scenes were he bonded with Brendan and said he wouldn't vote him out.
- His apologies to Sierra and Erinn were hidden.
None of these choices changed much of the story that was Coach but it would have hinted that he wasn't only a jack@ss, that he could be believed.

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05-19-09, 08:31 PM (EST)

178. "RE: Post-Mortem"

You just give them more credit than I do, michel, and you look more deeply.
Even with all that you pointed out just now, had I noticed it, I still wouldn't go to the conclusion that Coach's warrior cannot win. I just don't see it.
My understanding of how they edit these episodes may be wrong, but I always thought that they are given one episode at a time, and have less than a week to pull it together. I don't think they've even seen the future footage. I mean, the master editor may have an overview, but I think a lot of decisions are made sequentially.
They probably have a list of how it will go bootwise, twistwise, merge time, and there is Jeff's input (Jeff having been there but not seen the footage at the time).
On a side note, I was watching a lost season DVD bonus material on making of an episode, and it was interesting how little time the guy has to edit it. Granted that in Survivor they have all the footage wrapped when they get back, but they also have hours and hours more to wade through (and in this case, hours of WADE to wade through). I think they do some rough editing on site though.
My vision of these folks is that they are working fast and working foremost for the weekly ratings, and secondarily to create a continuity.
As you said below, they throw out major clues in the first episode, and have done that for awhile, and then they turn away and focus on creating characters, giving face time for short-timers, and scattering misdirection. I differ from you because I don't think they contemplate their art as much as you do.
Now when I'm reading James Joyce or Shakespeare or Virginia Woolf, etc., I give them no end of credit for infinite subtlety.

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05-19-09, 09:30 PM (EST)

179. "RE: Post-Mortem"

Maybe you are right but I hope not because it would be a lot less fun doing this.
Since I've been accused of clinging, then I'll cling to this:
S10 Palau:
Intro: Jeff told everyone that they had to Decide how they would get to shore in order to win the immunity necklace.
- Stephenie made the worst decision and jumped off the lifeboat.
As the chores were distributed, fireman Tom Decided that making fire was a loser job while the 5 players who Decided to try anyway were 4 Ulongs and Jonathan.
Epi #1 challenge: Jeff said that they had to Decide what they would carry to the end.
Tom for Koror Decided to carry only the flint.
Ulong Decided to carry everything and they lost.
At TC, Jeff told Ulong they needed to Decide on a leader, to have a plan. They refused.
Koror Decided on a leader early on.

Asked to which island they wanted to go, Tom Decided for the new island, the new adventure.
Council after council, Stephenie couldn't Decide who to vote for, twice even forcing a tie before switching her vote.
Faced with their only vote, Tom Decided Willard had to go. Koror followed.
Ulong couldn't Decide on a representative for a challenge.
For Koror, Tom Decided it would be Ian.

Tom Decided to go shark hunting, Ian said he followed despite his better judgment.
After an immunity win, Tom Decided to use water for drinking rather than bathing. Jenn disagreed but followed.
Gregg planned on voting out Tom but never put his plan into motion. Tom Decided that Gregg had to pay them back and quickly dispatched his biggest threat.
Ian was shown as very uncertain of himself, unable to lie to Caryn, unable to follow through on the plan not to share a reward with Tom. Tom was never shown hesitating.
The clues aren't only in the first episode. They were even more subtle in Micronesia were Parvati was shown doing things that she hadn't been able to do in CI. She didn't know how to clean a fish in CI but, in Micronesia, she was fishing with the locals. We saw her smiling while the NuAirai women looked miserable under the rain.
The editors usually build a good story. For all the clues cited above, there were much more doubts surrounding Tom then there were around JT.

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05-20-09, 11:24 AM (EST)

180. "RE: Post-Mortem"

My vision of these folks is that they are working fast and working foremost for the weekly ratings, and secondarily to create a continuity.
I've always felt this way too, ofg. The primary focus of the editing is to create the story for the episode at hand. So while some general assumptions can be made overall (e.g. a person who's had no face time by Episode 6 is probably not going to win), it's not productive to try to interpret every bit of minutiae that's thrown in. Most of it isn't going to have long-term significance.

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05-19-09, 06:31 PM (EST)

175. "RE: Post-Mortem"

I think you out-witted yourself, at least towards the end. I can see why you thought the way you did, but it didn't turn out that way. And I can imagine that like me with Sierra, as signs began to show that Erinn would not win, you clung to hope that the signs were wrong. But they weren't wrong for me, and they weren't wrong for you.

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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
05-19-09, 07:19 PM (EST)

177. "RE: Post-Mortem"

Usually, in editing, the clues to the winner are included in the early episodes. In the latter ones, doubt is inserted to make us think that the suspected winner will not make it.
For example: Up until the final few episodes in CI, Yul had a stronger edit than Ozzy. Then we got some scenes that made us doubt he could beat Ozzy in the end. I made a late switch and went with an Ozzy pick and got tricked.
Todd and Parvati were my early picks in S15 and S16 but neither looked like they could beat Amanda going into the latter episodes. Sometimes it pays to stay loyal!
Late signs are the least reliable. JT's win was right in front of us in episode #1 if we looked at the right angle.

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Belle Book 3613 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
05-20-09, 03:34 PM (EST)

181. "RE: Post-Mortem"

Yeah, neither of us were looking at the right angle, and we both backed the wrong horse as a result.

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