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"Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
From Survivor Fever, the preview promo...

V/O:
Survivor: Gabon Episode 10 Promo

Video Captures

Airdate: 11.13.08

Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...

Randy: I'm gonna burn this house down.

Jeff: Randy stirs up the camp.

Crystal (in confessional): He's reeking havoc.

Sugar: I think he's crazy.

Randy (talking to Matty): You're on the outs. The final three in this game is Kenny, Crystal and Susie. You're not part of it.

Corinne (in confessional): We have to get this right. If we get this right the whole game will change.

Jeff: But Kenny will not be denied.

Kenny (talking to Crystal): I am right now...the glue that's holding you guys together.






























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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Brownroach 11-14-08 1
 RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread SpotTheDifference 11-16-08 2
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread SpotTheDifference 11-16-08 3
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread tribephyl 11-16-08 4
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Outfrontgirl 11-16-08 5
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Scarlett O Hara 11-16-08 6
       Faux Idol pics Brownroach 11-17-08 19
           RE: Faux Idol pics emydi 11-17-08 22
               RE: Faux Idol pics Brownroach 11-17-08 23
               RE: Faux Idol pics dabo 11-17-08 24
                   RE: Faux Idol pics Brownroach 11-17-08 25
                       RE: Faux Idol pics emydi 11-17-08 27
                           RE: Faux Idol pics Brownroach 11-17-08 29
                               RE: Faux Idol pics emydi 11-17-08 32
                   RE: Faux Idol pics squibb 11-18-08 58
   IC Winner Flowerpower 11-16-08 7
       RE: IC Winner vince3 11-18-08 57
           RE: IC Winner emydi 11-18-08 64
 PIP promo Flowerpower 11-16-08 8
 RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Scarlett O Hara 11-16-08 9
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread michel 11-16-08 10
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-16-08 11
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread citywitch 11-17-08 12
 RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Scarlett O Hara 11-17-08 13
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Bebo 11-17-08 14
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 15
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread byoffer 11-17-08 16
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Brownroach 11-17-08 17
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 21
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Brownroach 11-17-08 18
 RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 20
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Flowerpower 11-17-08 26
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Bebo 11-17-08 31
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread ShellyMay 11-17-08 37
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 39
               RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread ShellyMay 11-17-08 43
                   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 46
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Corvis 11-17-08 28
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Flowerpower 11-17-08 30
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Max Headroom 11-17-08 34
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread guardian 11-17-08 35
               RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 36
                   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread martinigirl 11-17-08 38
                       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread martinigirl 11-17-08 40
                           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 42
                       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Brownroach 11-17-08 41
                           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 44
                               RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Brownroach 11-17-08 47
                                   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 49
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Max Headroom 11-17-08 33
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Brownroach 11-17-08 45
               RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-17-08 48
 Ep 10 Probst Preview... Flowerpower 11-17-08 50
   RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... vince3 11-17-08 51
   RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... michel 11-17-08 52
       RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... reggie 11-17-08 53
           RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... jobgirl 11-17-08 54
               RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... NedraSue 11-17-08 55
           RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... dabo 11-17-08 56
               RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... squibb 11-18-08 59
                   RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... dabo 11-18-08 63
                       RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... squibb 11-18-08 77
                   RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... Georjanna 11-18-08 67
                       RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... emydi 11-18-08 69
                           RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... Georjanna 11-18-08 70
                           RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... squibb 11-18-08 76
               RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... suzzee 11-18-08 60
       RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... CTgirl 11-18-08 61
           Agree with CTgirl... Flowerpower 11-18-08 62
               RE: Agree with CTgirl... Brownroach 11-18-08 73
           RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... michel 11-18-08 75
   RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview... emydi 11-18-08 65
 RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Flowerpower 11-18-08 66
   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-18-08 68
       RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread Brownroach 11-18-08 71
           RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread dabo 11-18-08 72
               RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread emydi 11-18-08 74
                   RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread NedraSue 11-18-08 78
 Matty Jumping Alliances... WhiteHot 11-18-08 79
   RE: Matty Jumping Alliances... dabo 11-19-08 80
   RE: Matty Jumping Alliances... michel 11-19-08 81
       RE: Matty Jumping Alliances... Flowerpower 11-19-08 82
 RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread sol 11-19-08 83
 30 second promo CTgirl 11-20-08 84
   RE: 30 second promo suzzee 11-20-08 85
       RE: 30 second promo reggie 11-20-08 86
   RE: 30 second promo Brownroach 11-20-08 87

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11-14-08, 10:09 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Crystal (in confessional): He's reeking havoc.

Snicker -- I'm sure Randy is reeking 24/7, but he'd be wreaking havoc.

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2. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Promo vidcaps from Survivor Phoenix:












































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3. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
A lot of Randy going on in the vidcaps this week, but the last time that happened, it was Marcus who was sent home. We also see that Susie, Corrinne, and Randy are not wearing the immunity necklace before tribal council. Matty is behind Randy and I'm not seeing anything around his neck either.



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4. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"

While it may not be the immunity idol, Randy is indeed wearing a necklace of some sort.
The shell and bead are giveaways.
I'm trying to find an image of Bob's fauximmunity to see if that's the one. Or if yet another immunity is in play.
Because as the PIP promo states...

I'm guessing that Bob's immunity makes it's appearence and somehow Randy ends up with it around his neck. Will he be duped? Or will he do the duping?


*crossing my fingers he get's away with it*

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5. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
and Corinne looks like an aristocrat who's resigned herself to the guillotine ...
like she's trying to go into the zone where there is no pain ... not happy.
Whether or not she survives, she doesn't look confident.

Brownroach, the "reeking" totally cracked me up. I'm glad to see someone else remark that "wreaking" is still the standard form. But what if Randy is literally forcing people to smell him, trying to perturb them and get them off their game -- or perhaps trying to get them to quit.

I so wish Matty and Sugar would send Crystal home, but it seems unlikely.


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6. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 11-16-08 AT 07:56 AM (EST)

Here is an image of the real Immunity Necklace, although not a good one. I'll keep looking.

I don't know why Randy would have on Bob's faux necklace going into Tribal Council -- usually the "Hidden" one's don't appear until just after they have voted.

Therefore, it is reasonable to think that that is indeed the Immunity necklace around Randy's neck and he will be safe from Tribal Council.

Bob's Necklace will not fool any of Sugar, Crystal, Kenny or Matty, (and most likely Susie) as they all know that Sugar has the real one.

Lastly, I don't see Randy winning Matty over to their side either this week. Logically, he is stronger than any of the old Fangs AND he has Sugar with the HII watching his back.

So far, I think we may have a pagonging of the Onions. If Randy has Immunity, than it's either Corrine or Bob whose neck is on the line, IMHO.

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11-17-08, 11:32 AM (EST)
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19. "Faux Idol pics"
LAST EDITED ON 11-17-08 AT 11:41 AM (EST)

Here are some SFever caps of Bob's idol from the last promo:

Does it look like what Randy has on his shirt in the above cap? Bob's idol wasn't a necklace but maybe he attached a cord or Randy fastened it through a shirt buttonhole. Here Randy is holding it wrapped up:

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22. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
LAST EDITED ON 11-17-08 AT 12:42 PM (EST)

he put it on a necklace this is Bob's shirt but whose hand is it Randy's--sure looks like his

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23. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
LAST EDITED ON 11-17-08 AT 01:16 PM (EST)

Oh thanks I didn't realize that was a person wearing it, LOL -- I couldn't tell what the background was.

Just thinking... you are not supposed to play the HII until after the votes are cast. Suppose Randy decides to wear the "idol" into TC and announce he has it, in an attempt to bluff them into not voting for him. Would Probst inform him that the thing he is wearing is not the idol before the votes are cast? I think he might, since Randy will have already revealed it.

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24. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
Okay, this is funny. The power of the HII is essentially one thing, to play it and discount votes after they have been cast. Would even Randy be so lame as to display an HII (albeit a fake one) going into TC before the votes have been cast? Given his emotional immaturity I'm not going to discount it entirely, but it seems peculiar.
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25. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
See my edited post above - that is exactly what I am thinking he does.

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27. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
Then Bob would have to be in on it with Randy. They are trying to make the others think it is real. But it's a total Bluff...is Randy a better poker player than JOnRobert? Is the pope Catholic

I don't think Jiffy would tell the others until after the vote and only IF Randy played it. Randy would not actually play it though knowing it to be fake. But by then the votes are already cast. He can wear whatever he wants to TC and say whatever he wants. Until it is played I don't think Jiffy would say a word and interfere. If Jiffy did that would be totally bogus imho.

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29. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
Randy would not actually play it though knowing it to be fake.

But will Bob tell him it's fake or not?

I don't know. I agree with Dabo it's kind of farfetched for Randy to wear it to TC. Maybe that thing he is wearing is not Bob's idol.

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32. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
It does not have to be around his neck, and I don't think it is anymore, for them to try to fake CSK out. REmember they got those necklaces (with blue in them) on Reward last week.

I think that Bob will tell Randy it's fake and Randy is probably checking it out around Bob's neck in that vidcap, probably saying wow that looks so real and then he tries to convince Bob to give it to him to use. Randy is a better liar than Bob so Randy is the front man and the Uthongs are not going to target Bob they will target Randy (and/or Corrine first). Maybe Bob even has won II.

So they go to TC without anyone knowing about the fake idol except Bob and Randy and possibly Corrine (there's conflicting things going on with Corrine this week...she says "we have to get this right" but she is shown after Randy says people at TC will be surprised). Randy says he has it at TC and maybe even opens up the wrapping to show them a glimpse) Then SSCK and maybe Matty don't know exactly what to do and split their vote, some still voting for Randy and others switching to Corrine. The CRB and possibly Matty vote for one of CSK, if Matty is in on it I think it will be Susie bc he is not as close and one of CKB has the II (only ones not shown compeletely in walk to TC)

CKB have to hope that Uthong splits their vote. They must try to get one more on board with them, i.e. Matty, to better avoid Uthong calling bluff and there being a 5/3 vote against Randy. But how do they convince Matty without telling him about the fake idol? They can't trust that he won't tell CSSK. Therefore, they have to give Matty his choice of whom he wants to vote out...Susie imho...and further try to convince him by telling him hes not F3 with CK, rather Susie is F3.

So CRB are hoping for 4 votes for one of CSK and 3/1 or 2/2 for Randy/Corrine. There could still be a 4-4 tie if CSSK all stick with Randy vote or all switch to Corrine. If that's the case, what would happen in a revote? Say it's 4-4 Randy and Crystal. The remaining 6 would revote and know that Randy has not idol or he would have played it. Then Corrine/Bob would be only votes left. Matty would/should turn against Randy at that pt. to avoid the purple rock?

But they are hoping that by Randy bluffing they will split the vote and win with 4 votes.

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58. "RE: Faux Idol pics"
I'm starting to think Randy knows the idol is false, but is trying to bluff the foe. But is Randy THAT dumb???
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7. "IC Winner"
LAST EDITED ON 11-16-08 AT 08:40 PM (EST)

Here we can see the challenge course, where they carry a bag, presumably of puzzle pieces, to assemble at the end of the course, and do a balance beam challenge, where they must run to the first pole, knock it down, where then every other vertical pole drops down, as a domino effect, so they can run it to the end.

We see here...




Moving from proximal to distant, we have:

Susie - blue
Bob - yellow
Kenny - purple
Randy - green
Crystal - red
Corrine - black
Matty - orange

We can see that Matty, the farthest away on the end, is winning the challenge at this point, note all of his beams are down and he is on his way. Kenny is in second, just knocking down the first beam.

From the looks of these vidcaps, it looks like Matty will easily win the race portion of the challenge, yet, there is most likely some rule that says if you fall off, then you must start all the way back at the beginning...Here is the tribe as they leave for TC...

And, here is an old pic of the IN's, for comparison...

So, we can conclude that:

1. At first appearance we note that Susie, Corrine, Randy, and Matty are not wearing the IN. So, they must not be the IC winners, which would mean that one of Crystal, Kenny, Bob, or Sugar did. If the challenge ends with the completion of a puzzle, as it seems, who is most likely to win?

Perhaps, Bob could win the IC challenge and give his fake idol to cover another one in his alliance, Randy? JUST food for thought...

ETA: spelling

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57. "RE: IC Winner"
This is SP's take on the colors.....

For some reason she thinks Sugar is in the black lane and Corinne is in the mystery colored lane.......

I'm wonderng if her ? about color might have something to do with this picture.......

What color is that which has been used most rarely yet is hidden in plain sight?

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64. "RE: IC Winner"
well from the picture to TC the only people that can have the necklace are Kenny Bob and Sugar the other 5 are II necklaceless
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8. "PIP promo"
Thanks, Survivor Phoenix:

V/O:
Announcer: Thursday on Survivor, one big tribe with two immunity idols. Will anybody be able to tell which one is real and which one's a fake?






































































Note the necklaces that Corrine and Sugar are wearing. I think that the necklace Randy is wearing on his way to TC is one that he must have gotten at the Native Feast/Festival. I don't think he'd wear a hidden II around his neck...fwiw.

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9. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Let's examine all of the necklaces:


After re-examining all of the evidence, I have to concur with Flowerpower that Randy does NOT have the Immunity necklace on as he leaves for Tribal Council. If you look at his necklace, you will see specs of blue as well as a blue bead.

Then, look at Corrine's necklace -- she also has a blue bead.

If you look at the two images of the real Immunity Necklace, you'll see that they are more broad and they have NO blue beads or any other color other than earth tones.

Therefore, we can indeed conclude that one of Crystal, Kenny or Bob wins this challenge. I'm going to have to go with Kenny, the gamer on this one or possibly Bob, as a long shot. Either of those two will be more likely to solve the puzzle faster.

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10. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Sunday's new promo has Sugar saying she "Loathes" Randy and Randy saying: "If Bob could give me his immunity idol."
Voice over specifically refers to the fake idol coming into play.
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11. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 11-16-08 AT 06:08 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 11-16-08 AT 04:56 PM (EST)


I just saw that one michel it's the 20 sec promo over at Phoenix

Bob has the idol around his neck on and it looks like Randy is looking at it and it does have shells on it..Then later Randy is holding something in the woods in a confessional looks like Bob's wrapping from last week. Randy says there's gonna be a lot of surprised people tonite.

If he does have it I don't think he will wear it to TC but that boldness could be part of the plan.

I still don't think that Randy is done yet. This could backfire on Bob another blindside of a "less evil" onion like Charlie instead of Corrine or Randy. Bob had a increase in game confessionals.

Or if this works and Matty goes along with Randy's plan then he might ask to go after Susie as the F3 he wants to replace (who disappeared in confessionals even though she won II)


Regular old OFG theory says it's either Randy or Bob


ETA: Could Bob be setting up Randy? And Randy is the surprised one at TC? He has a pretty sneaky "cat that ate teh canary" face in the new 20 sec promo

ETAA: When Randy says there's gonna be people surprised it shows CORRINE then SUSIE then MATTY....hmmmm

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12. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
there were 2 quick promos during last nights TAR that both featured Randy. One VO said something about someone disrupting tribal council or something to that effect. Sorry I can't recall the exact details, but I'm sure someone else has seen/knows where to find these promos?
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13. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
My prediction of what is to come: Randy stirs up the camp -- makes everyone angry. They go to Tribal Council and Randy tells them that Bob has given him the HII from Exile Island. The five Fangs (Crystal~Kenny~Susie~Matty~Sugar) who had all planned to vote Randy out this week are suddenly screwed. They're Fangs after all and have NO Plan B and their votes will be split between Bob and Corrine, while the three onions all vote Crystal. Will this work? I don't think so as the HII is not real. The only onion it'll save this week is Dandy Randy, while one of Corrine or Bob will be sent home.

I have one question, however, what happens if the votes are tied 3-Crystal; 3-Bob; 2-Corrine? Will there be a revote?

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So you're assuming that Bob does not have the II necklace. If he did, then it would be easy, even for Fang, to figure out that they all throw their votes to Corrine and send her home. Bob giving up his idol to the most hated man in the tribe just doesn't make sense if he doesn't have some protetcion of his own. He can do math, and the only way he would give it up was if he was protected. Either he won the IC, or he told others it was a fake.


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Unless Bob just woke up (cat eating canary look) and is playing Randy to get him out. Randy doesn't tell anyone about HI until he plays it and Jiffy throws it into the fire Gives it to art dept for S18.

I think one of Randy Corrine Susie or Matty is gone this week. In the promos on Sunday (we need FP to post ) Randy says there's gonna be a lot of surprised people at TC tonite and CSM is shown. Then later during TAR the Four are shown again in a quick 5 second promo.

I'm actually leaning toward Susie the invisible one after her II win last week. Matty wants to replace her in the SCK F3 to make it a MCK F3. He can't win if an Onion or Sugar is there with him bc the jury will be packed with other onions. His best F3 is Crstal and Kenny.

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16. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Antoher option:
- Randy has the fake HII and shows it. CKMSusie know it is fake.
- Sugar has given Randy the real HII, and he pulls that at Tribal after CKMS have voted for him. Then Sugar, Corinne, Randy and Bob are suddenly in power.

Crystal, Kenny and Matty seem very strong. With Susie they are dominant and will be F4 unless broken NOW. Hopefully someone can see this and talk Sugar into using her HII strategically to break that strong 4. Would Bob and his FauxHII be smart enough to pull that off? I hope so!

Even if they hate Randy and his obnoxiosity he is a valuable vote to keep in the game, and not likely to win at the end if he survives.

If this plan is hatched and executed, Matty becomes the target.


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Sugar didn't want Randy around last week, though, and if he gets even more overbearing this week I can't see her agreeing to use her idol to protect him because he's a good endgame opponent.

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21. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
But then why is Randy going after Matty about him not being the F3?

I don't think Sugar will go with Randy but Matty might. We have heard him say he likes having him around but doesn't trust him. Sugar LOATHES him. Bob and Randy could say before or at TC that he found an Idol and there must be another one.

I still don't understand why Corrine is in the surprised group of persons after Randy's statement (along with Susie and Matty)


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what happens if the votes are tied 3-Crystal; 3-Bob; 2-Corrine? Will there be a revote?

I assume there would be revote between Crystal and Bob, with the two of them not voting. So Crystal would get 2 votes, Bob would get 4, Bob would leave.


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20 second promo from Fever



































































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My take on the dynamics...Basically there are 3 factions at Nobag...Randy/Corrine/Bob, Crystal, Kenny, Susie, and Matty/Sugar

Right now, Matty and Sugar are with Crystal/Kenny/Susie. Randy is pointing out that Matty will not be in the F3 with the Old Fangs, in an effort to get him to switch and join in with Randy/Corrine/Bob...that is why there is focus on Matty...but will he betray Crystal/Kenny/Susie this week, I am not convinced that he will.

So, Randy is being incredibly obnoxious this week and nasty to the old Fangs, especially Crystal. She vehemently hates him, he's nothing but an "evil troll". Ken has to reel her in and is seen telling her that he is the glue that holds them together. Sugar is seen in confessionals also saying she loathes Randy. Randy's attempt to sway Matty/Sugar is failing so he has to have a plan "B". He devises a plan "B" when he learns from Bob that Bob has a hiddden II(don't know if they will know it's fake or not). We see Bob wearing it and Randy touching it, and in one shot I think Randy is seen with it wrapped up in his hand. He is going to devise a plan to be executed at TC in order to save himself.



Randy is indeed the one going for broke...What could he possibly do?

We also hear Corrine say that they "have to get this right, if we get this right the whole game will change", which makes me think that all of Bob/Randy/and Corrine are all in on "the plan".

So, what could they do with a "fake idol"...they could let it slip to Matty/Sugar that Bob has found another HII at EI. Perhaps, they will even get a glimpse of it, as it does look far more realistic than Ozzy's did, and according to Jiffy, more authentic than the authentic one. So, at TC, perhaps they will pull a bluff to save them all. Randy could say that "one of us has it, and you all won't know which one of us until after you have voted...", or, something to this effect.

Here is the Voiceover for the 20 second promo...

Randy: I'm gonna burn this house down...
Announcer: One Castaway is going for broke...(picture of Randy)
Jiffy: As Matty scurries across the balance beam in the IC,
"Matty doesn't hesitate"
Announcer: Randy is shown, "insulting everyone", then shot to Matty and then to Sugar...
Sugar: "I loathe him"
Then shot of Fake II...
Announceer: "But with a fake Immunity Idol in play",
Randy: "if Bob would give me the idol"
Announcer: Will his strategy work at Tribal Council?
Randy: "There is gonna be some surprised people tonight", then shot of Corrine, Susie, Matty

Implying that perhaps one of Corrine, Susie, Matty is the boot? So, we know that Randy is going to use the Fake II in a surprising way at TC and burn down the Fang house...will this bite Randy in the arse, or will it bite someone else? I can not help but think it will be one of Bob or Corrine that go...possibly Randy. I don't think that the old Fangs would have a plan "B" and I definately think that they are solid with a Randy boot prior to the TC...so, if the plan works for Randy, he is saved, yet if he is saved then one of Corrine or Bob is toast, or, Randy is toast...

But, what is this...

it's Matty, flying away??? Could that spell disaster for our lone bird?

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31. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Jiffy: As Matty scurries across the balance beam in the IC,

"Matty doesn't hesitate"

And as Matty balances his relationships between the different alliances, he doesn't hesitate to stay where he is. As he pointed out last episode before the reward, he's been with Fang since the beginning through every switch. If he betrayed his alliance at this point, he'd be toast with the jury - the onions wouldn't vote for him over one of their own, and the Fang wouldn't vote for a backstabber.

What could surprise Matty at TC is seeing his name written down on votes...by the onions. If he doesn't have II, they could target him amidst their dangerous plan.

What I'm wondering about is how the Fang figure out the idol is fake.
a) They figure it out on their own, since they know Sugar has the idol.
b) Since almost everyone already knows she has it, Sugar says something like, "Well that doesn't look like the one I've got" during TC, to arouse suspicion.
c) Bob told them.

The three reasons I think c might be a possibility? Bob is not in the shot of the surprised people. And during the first tribal switch - the ranking/pick 'em - Jeff made an ominous comment about Bob not being picked for so long even though he had been ranked high, and so far, we haven't seen that impact.

And the third reason is a basher one - Fang is stupid.

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37. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Sorry - I'm fairly new to spoiler boards. Why couldn't Bob convince them that there were two - one for each tribe? There have been two in the past. Or that Sugar's is the fake one? Did she show it to Kenny or just tell him she gave it to Ace and got it back?
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I don't think Randy will give Uthong a chance to figure out it's a fake until late at TC before vote. I think he's just wearing his necklace from the RC last week.

I think the gist of Randy's plan will be a surprise AT TC that he has AN IDOL and hoping that Uthong will not be able to vote all together. If Sugar says something at TC Randy/Bob can state that there was another one.

I think Bob keeps dancing with the gal who brought him and is in on the Randy plan. Bob is not surprised bc he knows what Randy is doing. I just don't know why Corrine is in that suprised trio...misdirection....OFG theory. I have narrowed it down, I think, to the 4 shown Randy/Corrine/Susie/Matty as this week's bootee.

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43. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Randy seems to be having problems with his censor button lately - could he keep his mouth shut until TC? And could the surprise be that the Onion's plan actually works?
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Hmm...I didn't think Corrine could keep her yap shut at TC last week and she did...so for his plan to work, Randy is going to have to keep Bob's fake idol a secret. I think that confessional of him in the woods with the wrapped up idol is the last one before they go to TC. I think it might half work with Randy deflecting the vote onto COrrine but they could split the vote.


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28. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
There's an old Survivor rule - nothing interesting happens post merge when it's an even number. Okay, really I just made that up. But still. There are eight people left. No single person from the five person alliance can flip at this point because it'll be a 4-4 vote. The only way it works is for 2 to flip - Matty and Sugar. However if they do, so what? They're in a different 5 person alliance and again they're at the bottom of the pecking order. Matty and Sugar will not flip yet. Next episode, maybe, but not this one.

Now last episode, Sugar had an unusual confessional after the RC - they almost never put confessionals there. The basic thrust of the confessional was "Bob won't find a HII because I have it. Ken, Matty, and Crystal all know I have it." Basically, I think there's no way anyone on Fang falls for the fake HII. Randy will try something but it won't matter. Either he or Corinne gets booted.

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30. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Randy will try something but it won't matter. Either he or Corinne gets booted.

Yes, I agree, either it's going to be Randy or Corrine this week. Next week I think Matty and Sugar will indeed flip to get rid of Kenny and Crystal.


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34. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Agree completely. My analysis in my earlier post was for this episode only. Once the numbers are 5-2, it's a logical play for Matty and Sugar to flip over to Bob and whichever is left of Corinne/Randy, eliminating Susie, Kenny and Crystal. In doing that they end up in an evenly-split F4 with Matty + Sugar vs. Bob + Corinne/Randy, much better odds than completely pagonging the "onions" and ending up on the wrong end of a 3-2 split between them and Crystal/Susie/Kenny.


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35. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
When we see the group all leaving for TC we can clearly see that Susie, Corinne and Randy are not wearing the III, from the Immunity Challenge. I'm really crossing my fingers for it to be on Matty's neck and not Kenny's. Kenny might need help getting it on with his swollen head and all. lol The other thing I've been wondering about is this. When you see the torches, Randy's looks completely different from Corinne's. Are they all the same or all slightly different?
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welcome guardian! SOrry but Matty is necklaceless

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so it's BOb Crystal Kenny or Sugar with immunity necklace

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Look closely and you can see that Kenny is not wearing it either.
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Never mind, you have that person as Crystal, and I thought it was Kenny.
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Thanks, and welcom martinigirl! I think you are right Crystal isn't wearing a necklace so it's either Bob Kenny or Sugar...the IC likely has a puzzle at the end with BOb and Kenny being the puzzle gurus...I think Bob would be more willing to get with Randy's plan if he was protected with the real II necklace.
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41. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Bob has to have regular immunity -- it makes no sense for him to give Randy the fake idol unless he is already protected.

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44. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
I just posted that same thing in my above post to martinigirl!! I was just stating that those people were the only ones who COULD have it.

Bob's cat in the canary face is because he is not at all in danger. He figues this is the best time to try to use it to try to get RCB further and he has no risk if it fails. If Uthong thinks it's a fake Randy still goes, if they are afraid Corrine would get the votes....and the best thing would be if they were able to split the votes...but that still hinges on Matty voting with them. I don't think it would be that bad of an idea for Matty to do it here to oust Susie and then go back to CKSugar next week to pagong the onions. He needs to get SUsie out to have better shot as becoming the F3 with CK, esp. with his hope on going on an II run come next week.

I know it's probably hyperbole but Jiffy does say in his blog that this week's show is really good. I just don't think he'd say that if Randy's plan fails. I think at least Randy will be saved imho with the great looking fake HI. Maybe not Corrine but Randy will stay I'm thinking

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47. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Jiffy does say in his blog that this week's show is really good. I just don't think he'd say that if Randy's plan fails.

I do. See my post #45.

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STOP it!! you're reading my mind before I post. see below!
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33. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
I see this week's episode as a garden-variety pagonging after the dominant alliance emerged at the first post-merge tribal council. The dominant alliance has a 5-3 advantage plus the hidden immunity idol, which should punch their tickets to F5 as long as they follow the logical path of booting the lesser alliance members one by one until they're all gone.

That means Corinne, Randy, or Bob is the boot. Bob's sympathetic edit leads me to believe he isn't the first "onion" to go, so I arrive at the same conclusion as Corvis, that it'll either be Randy or Corinne this week. And given how obnoxious he's been, I think Randy goes before Corinne unless he somehow wins individual immunity.

All the promos are misdirection, trying to hide the obvious storyline.


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45. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Probst says this is "one of the best episodes of the season. No hype. Pure truth" -- to me that means one of the season's Big Conniving Schemers must be going down.

That puts it between Randy and Kenny. Last week at TC Randy said of Kenny "He’s not a little kid anymore” -- foreshadowing? Charlie says that all of the women hated Randy. Randy will be booted this week when his plan doesn't work, imo.

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we are in the same church, different pew, BR!! I just said above that Jiffy's statement makes me think that Randy pulls this off and saves himself at least!
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Go to Survivor Phoenix and check out the Jeff Probst Episode 10 Preview...

Here is what he had to say...

Jeff: It is Episode 10 of Survivor Gabon and the good vs. Evil theme is in full force. Sugar and Corrine are battling it out. Corrine is having to bite her tongue alot because we are now in a situation where every time you vote somebody out they are a member of the jury and they could determine whether you win the game or not. So, people have to start placating each other and it makes Corrine absolutely miserable.

We also have the survivor auction. And there is a great moment, a GREAT moment with Randy, that only Randy could provide us, and it just shows us that you can't predict human nature and you can't change who you are because in the middle of a game for a million dollars, Randy doesn't seem to care about who he offends.

Randy in confessional: "I left the auction broke, full, half drunk, and pissed off..."

Cut to Randy talking to Matty at Camp: "I gotta little room left for one big cookie..."

Cut back to him in confessional, right before he dives naked into the pond: "...so, I'm gonna burn this house down!"

Jeff: And, Bob's visit to EI pays off in a big way for at least one person in this game and it makes for a very fun and somewhat ugly TC!

Interesting when Jeff talks about Bob, Bob is seen on the edge of a cliff, where I think they had the Reward at the top of the volcano crater....then we see Bob with Sugar and Sugar is noting his necklace...so, he is letting someone else know...will she tell Kenny and company?

Will Bob's fake II pay off in a big way for Randy???? or, as has been noted in the past, that Jeff's previews are nothing but a huge red herring to throw us all off???

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51. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
Red herring? He outright deep sixed us two weeks ago! Just about everyone after the Ep. 8 preview had a Fang walking the plank, but Matty's perserverance sent everone into "wha happened?" mode........
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Maybe I'm interpreting everything wrong this season but when Jeff says:

"Corrine is having to bite her tongue alot because we are now in a situation where every time you vote somebody out they are a member of the jury and they could determine whether you win the game or not. So, people have to start placating each other and it makes Corrine absolutely miserable."

Isn't he telling us that Corinne faces the jury?

This TC could be a showdown between Bob and Matty in the war for Sugar. Last time Matty won their showdown at the immunity challenge but remember how Jeff told him he was close to disaster? I'm thinking it could be disastrous this time.

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53. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
Have enjoyed reading posts over the years but first time replying.

I am wondering if Sugar does not convince Bob to give Randy the "idol" making him believe it is real to get him finally out of the game as she loathes him as seen in the promos. Maybe promising Bob that her and Matty will stick with him to final 3?

Just a thought....

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I was thinking along those lines. Bob said last time that it was time for him to start playing and I wonder if he gives Randy the fake idol without telling him that it is fake, and Randy gets even more obnoxious, wanting to get the votes just so he can produce the idol and surprise everyone. Then HE is the one who is surprised when the idol is fake.
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55. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
I am on board with this one...I think that Sugar is looking for another 'good' person, who Bob is for sure. So, when she offers up the info on her idol, the whole plan starts to unfold and of course Randy would be the one who would fall for the fake idol. I think that all of the confessionals point very strong to it being Randy's name being read by Jiffy more than anyone else.

I would pull for a M/S/B final 3 over ANY of the other groups.

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Welcome aboard. My own take on it: if Sugar jumps to yet another Sugar Daddy she will manage somehow to boot Sugar Daddy Ken.

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59. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
If someone will help me jog my time-addled brain, didn't I read somewhere early in the season that Randy had his dog's ashes visit him on the family visitation episode? Maybe it was a joke - I don't know. But I'm sure one of you pros will know. If so, of course that means Randy is safe until then - dammit.
I still see Bob/Matty/Sugar as F3.
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63. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
In Randy's bio on CBS it says his only living family member is an older brother he hasn't spoken with in years, and the only "person" he's ever loved is his dog. When the dog passed away I don't know. This came up after the letters from home part of the picnic at the crator reward as speculation.
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77. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
Thanks Dabo = what a great season!
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67. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
LAST EDITED ON 11-18-08 AT 09:52 AM (EST)

I am certainly not a pro, but ...

As far as I know, the matter is one of pure speculation based upon this CBS Insider Video in which Randy describes his relationship with his deceased pet and that relationship's relevance to his Survivor experience ...

And ...

A portion of an interview of Jeff Probst by the Victoria Times - Colonist (scroll to Page Two) that says, in part:

“… Probst is deliberately hands-on in the production process: It's one of the things that has kept him fresh over the past 16 seasons, he says.

‘We come back and chart stories for all 16 or 18 or 20 of our players,' Probst explains. 'We know their arcs … We're always laying clues. Some of those clues are there to deliberately mislead you, but they're there.

We're very much aware of what we're doing. We drop things in early all the time that will make sense in the end … The fact that certain people may form an alliance-of-three early in the game may seem, at the time, no more or less important than somebody saying, “I really love dogs.”

You don't know what's going to happen later. It may be that person who chooses to bring his dog on as a loved one later in the show, and that's what wins him the game.’"

Of course, that doesn't mean a man with a dog will win Survivor Gabon: Earth's Last Eden.

"‘I'm just saying,’ Probst says, with a playful laugh. 'There have been times when I've jokingly said who wins the game, and I've been telling the truth. And nobody listens.’"


Older than Gillian. Shorter than Susie. As athletic as Crystal.

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69. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
LAST EDITED ON 11-18-08 AT 09:54 AM (EST)

I seem to remember somewhere that Randy makes the family visit...but don't quote me on this...whether he gets to see his dog's ashes...who the heck knows!!

I have recently thought that if I ever was on the the show and made the family visit I'd ask for my dog Max to come...someone would have to fly with him too...but I'd be afraid if I won the RC, a hungry tribemate might get some ideas!! eek!


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70. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
I said earlier - I have a Cancer Moon and am sometines much too cynical - that I wouldn't mind seeing Randy win the Game but that if we found out at the Reunion that his dog's urn was as empty as Fairplay's grandmother's tomb, I was really going to be ticked.

But lately - because Randy mentions getting another dog when he returns to the States - I've been thinking of the whole thing in relation to the 'Most Endearing Moment' that is supposed to be in store for us:

Wouldn't it be nice if someone arrived at the Family Visit with a beautiful new puppy for Randy?

Then again, Randy (being Randy) might just eat them ... both.

G

PS: I no longer - admit - to thinking about being on the show ...

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76. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
Lol, I agree completely. Dogs beat people any day.
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60. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
Now that would be sweet, editing has set up for that by showing that Kenny lied to her about Ace & Marcus but that could also be jury question set-up either way I hope the little rat squirms.


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61. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
Did you mean to say Corinne faces the jury? That's what I thought about Jeff's quote - she's holding her tongue so that it doesn't come back to haunt her when she's in front of the jury.
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62. "Agree with CTgirl..."
Yes, Jeff saying, "Corrine is having to bite her tongue alot because we are now in a situation where every time you vote somebody out they are a menmber of the jury and they could determine whether you win the game or not. So, people have to start placating each other and it makes Corrine absolutely miserable."

To me, this sounds like foreshadowing by Jeff that Corrine indeed needs to watch herself as she will be before this jury...bodes well for her, imo.

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73. "RE: Agree with CTgirl..."
I don't think it indicates anything about her longevity. She may succeed in holding her tongue this week but lose it next week. Jeff just says she's *trying* to behave.

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75. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."
Thank you CTgirl, Yes that's what I really meant. I've edited it.
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65. "RE: Ep 10 Probst Preview..."





looks like bob is taking off the necklace for sugar to see?

And for those who think it will be a MBSug F3? Why would Matty want to go to the F3 with Sugar or Bob? He has to go with 2 of CKSus to win with the Onions, imho

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66. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Can't you just hear Randy saying, "I will give you a cookie if you promise not to vote for me at TC...."



Interesting how two who feel probably safe at this point, Crystal and Susie, both opt for one...Kenny could be eating one too?

Here are a few of the vidcaps of Bob and Sugar...





It looks as though he may be putting his buff bow tie on perhaps, before going to TC? I don't think there appears to be a necklace, but Sugar sure is happy for him, or so it seems. Maybe Sugar is saying something like, "Oh Bob, we are the luckiest ones tonight, because you have the II and I have the HII and you gave Randy the fake II!!!"

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68. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
I think you are right FP he is readying to putg on his Blue bow tie, whether it is right before TC, who knows?!?

This preview certainly muddies the waters doesn't it. I still don't know if Randy knows Bob's idol is fake or not. Does Sugar? I'm still leaning towards Randy knowing. As michel, etc have said, why would Bob trick Randy and alienate him on jury? Bob and Uthong have the votest to get out Randy without all the tomfoolery.

Maybe this tete' a tete' between Bob and Sugar is Bob working Sugar into convincing her to vote with him (with Matty too perhaps) and RC to oust one of "THE f3" CSK? I still think he dances with the gal who brought him.

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71. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
LAST EDITED ON 11-18-08 AT 11:12 AM (EST)

I still don't know if Randy knows Bob's idol is fake or not.

It depends on what Bob is trying to do by giving Randy the idol.

If Bob is trying to help Randy, he has to let Randy know that the idol is fake and he can only wield it as a threat.

If Bob wants Randy gone (or doesn't care if Randy leaves), he doesn't have to tell Randy the idol is fake. But there would also be no reason to even give Randy the idol in that case. Bob might be able to use it later.

So it makes more sense that Bob is trying to help Randy, which means Randy should know that it isn't real.

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72. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Agree. Bob is pretty much the Felix to Randy's Oscar, he isn't the type to actively lead another player into a brick wall just to watch someone crash and burn. Let them fool themselves, convince themselves his fake idol is real, save himself maybe, that's as far as he probably planned on using his fake idol.

Randy is the one who comes up with the get rich quick scheme and convinces Bob to play along.

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74. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
I agree..Bob couldn't pull this off but Randy just might (i really think he does!)
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78. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
You know, my answer to why Matty would go against the onion alliance...I don't recall, does he even actually know there is an onion alliance? Did he hear about this from Sugar? I really don't know. I wouldn't think that is something that is discussed around the open conversation...

I think Matty is part of the 'good' Jeff talks about.

I also, think Bob would allow someone to hang themselves, if it played itself out...

If during the RC, Randy is way over controlling and over-bearing...Bob may just let him make a fool of himself.

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79. "Matty Jumping Alliances..."
I don't understand why Matty jumping over to a C/B/R alliance is even in question at this point? He knows that the jury will be Kota-dominated and that means he needs to F3 with some combo of C/K/S/S to have the best shot of winning. The promos of Corinne and Randy talking to Matty is classic mis-direction.

Randy's threats to 'burn down the house' only makes me think that its a Bob/Corinne boot and I'm leaning towards Bob because of the whol 'fake immunity idol' story-line. Bob's being voted out would be the biggest shocker to Corinne who seems to think either her or Randy's fate is sealed as is evidence in her expression as they head for TC.

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80. "RE: Matty Jumping Alliances..."
Welcome aboard.
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81. "RE: Matty Jumping Alliances..."
Welcome aboard Whitehot!

The jury wouldn't be dominated by onions if Matty faces it with Corinne and Randy. The jury would have only 3 onions, 3 original Fangs and Sugar. Matty would feel very confident sitting against "King" Randy and the "horrendous" Corinne, especially if they split the 3 onion votes.

With Crystal and Kenny, he'd be much less secure. Crystal could get Susie's vote. Charlie and Randy both praised Kenny last week. Besides Sugar, who would vote for Matty, especially if he turns Randy and Corinne down this week?

If, in addition, he feels that Susie is ahead of him in the pecking order, (something an auction could reveal with sharing prizes) he'd be smart to jump.

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82. "RE: Matty Jumping Alliances..."
Also, wanted to welcome whitehot to Blows as well...Wanted to add that some peeps speculate that Bob will win the IC, as it probably finishes up with a puzzle of some kind...we see on the walk to TC that Crystal, Susie, Corrine, Randy, and Matty do not win it. Could be Kenny or Sugar as well. One can argue that Bob most likely wins it because he gives his fake idol to Randy to use, and why would he do that if he needed it for himself?

If, in addition, he feels that Susie is ahead of him in the pecking order, (something an auction could reveal with sharing prizes) he'd be smart to jump.

Interesting that you note this, michel. I noted with the promos that Susie and Crystal were seen partaking of the cookies that Randy was offering, and I can't help but be reminded of the challenges where they can opt for a feast and all they can eat, or play for immunity....often in those episodes, the ones that feel they are the safest and partake are very ones that are booted. Seeing Sugar deny a cookie from Randy, while Susie and Crystal took them, reminded me of this....

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83. "RE: Ep 10, Vidcap Thread"
Just a couple thoughts.

Sugar doesn't like Randy and Corrine ... Sugar doesn't trust Kenny and Crystal. To me there's a difference between not liking and not trusting. I would tend to think she would want to get rid of Randy and Corrine ... maybe she see's them as evil ... except, if she was F3 with C & R, then she would have a nice dowry for her wedding. But that's still too far off. Of the 2 I believe she dislikes Corrine more ... but that's open to debate (and a change of mind). If she waits too long by voting off Corrine then Randy she won't have the numbers to get rid of Kenny and Crystal. It is important for her to make the right choices at the next 2 TC's. Is she smart enough to pull it off?

I could see 3 alliances right now ... CR, CKS and SugarMB ... but that seems too disjointed at this point of the game. But again this crew of castaways have done some pretty stupid things.

Another thing ... JP said about Randy, "Randy is crotchety and clever. He's the guy who will come to Tribal Council and try to challenge me, which is a huge mistake, because I'm not playing for a million dollars. But I don't think he's as evil as he wants you to think he is."

Is this the TC where Randy challenges JP?

I'm really enjoying this season because it is so unpredictable in comparison to previous seasons. It's hard to dispute the comments that Corrine may be F3, and that Randy pulls it off this week. The obvious choice of Randy getting punted is a misdirection aimed at the masses who simply watch Survivor for entertainment, and don't even speculate who might 'be next'. Those masses would be as happy to see Randy go, as they wanted to see Jerri go much earlier in S2. And that's what makes it seem like such a misdirection to me.

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84. "30 second promo"
Survivor Phoenix has an expanded 30 second promo up but no vidcaps yet.

http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/index.php

It confirms that Bob gave Randy "the idol" and that Corinne is in on the plan. Bob says, "I've got nothing to lose." The issue of it being fake isn't mentioned!

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85. "RE: 30 second promo"
What if Bob gives Randy the II he won. No conferencing among anyone for a Plan B. If Randy was the intended target of Ken, Crystal, Matty, Sugar, Susie then there would be a scramble. Sugar might feel she needs to protect herself by playing her HII. What if someone else got Bob's fake II, played it and got burned.
Oh please let that be Kenny, with all his whiny Charlie blew it for me carrying on getting burned by a idol would be insane.


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86. "RE: 30 second promo"
Randy is shown holding the fake HII so I don't think Bob would give away the real II if he wins. The new promo says "who is conning who" with Bob saying he has nothing to lose. He would have something to lose if he gave the real II up as he could be the target of the vote then.

Just my thoughts.

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87. "RE: 30 second promo"
LAST EDITED ON 11-20-08 AT 04:50 PM (EST)

Which one is it? I don't see a 30-second promo.

ETA -- never mind, I've got it.

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