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"Ep 8 Website clues"
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10-31-08, 00:21 AM (EST)
 
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"Ep 8 Website clues" |
I haven't started one of these in a long long time, so what the heck.-The tribes come together for a surfside feast with a tempting twist. Sure doesn't sound like they actually merge. -The castaways decide to make a shocking sacrifice that many regret. Some sort of sacrifice that means less food in the long run? For instance, they choose to have a feast over rice to get them through the rest of the game? -One castaway takes the game into his own hands and lets the power go to his head. This one seems to be Randy based on the preview.
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10-31-08, 02:39 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
OK, I'll bite! (meaning I'll be first to elicit the groans)  So as clue one includes "tempting" and "twist"
and the title is Apple in the Garden of Eden
i.e. a temptation arguably better refused than selected we can conclude I think that they choose the temptation
due to clue #2
The castaways decide to make a shocking sacrifice that many regret. Less food sounds like a good candidate, Corvis although maybe the feast is a given, and at the feast they have another temptation that requires a sacrifice. I dunno, but it's interesting that there's no focus on challenges whatsoever, given that it doesn't sound like a merge. The last clue is clearly King Randy. If the theme of Good vs Evil pervades the season, with Ace gone, it looks to me like Randy will head Team Evil, possibly abetted by the Wicked *itch of Gabon, Corinne. Marcus and Charlie are GOOD, surely.
Matty is GOOD, but friendless.
Crystal is BAD, but Randy doesn't like her.
Sugar is GOOD.
Kenny is a player. I think that's good.
Susie is BAD, but the other BAD people don't like her.
Bob is GOOD but incredibly annoying. If the boot story is included in these clues, it could be that Randy controls the boot or that the person most blamed for making the shocking decision gets booted by those who regret. But it would be more interesting if Clue #2 was the Boot Story and the answer was they all agreed to shockingly sacrifice Susie or Crystal to the mercy of an enraged hippo, and for that they get chocolate and peanut butter. But I'm not sure who would regret that decision. Not "many." Maybe they choose to sacrifice their clothes for feast, and that's why they're naked. Because it's Eden, and they didn't wear clothes in Eden. I'm sure there would be regrets when they woke up the next morning. I know America would be sorry. 
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings
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10-31-08, 07:21 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
Hi Corvis:You're right in saying it isn't a merge because the players still had their yellow and red buffs during the feast. (OK, colors have been altered before but then why give a clue that goes against that trick?) Unless the players are as stupid as they were in Thailand, wearing their original buffs should tell them what's going on.
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redbeard103152 466 desperate attention whore postings
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10-31-08, 09:21 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
Emy Things are looking that way to me too. I think our little Eve will be responsible for getting the two major Fang Adams kicked out of the garden of Eden. The real snake has been uncovered and a surprise contestant has been added to team evil.
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11-03-08, 03:42 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
-The tribes come together for a surfside feast with a tempting twist.-The castaways decide to make a shocking sacrifice that many regret. Some sort of sacrifice that means less food in the long run? For instance, they choose to have a feast over rice to get them through the rest of the game? I think the feast does play into the sacrifice so you may be right about them getting less food down the line. But it also sounds like the "many" are going to "regret" the choice right away, so I don't think that part is about the food. The box at the feast says don't open this until you've finished eating. So if they chose not to eat the feast, most likely they would not have to open the box, which must contain the message that there is another tribal switch. That would make a number of people unhappy, if by rejecting the feast they could have remained in their current tribe configuration.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings
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11-03-08, 04:30 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
That sounds like a temptation, but then there must be another message giving them a choice not to eat the feast, which we don't see.
We see a message on the box that says when they are finished enjoying the feast, to open the box, and no more feast after the box. This message carries an assumption that they are indeed eating the feast. There is no choice in it. The message they find in the box will be the same no matter how much of the feast they enjoy or even if they don't feast, as far as what we are shown. Now if there are two set-ups, one with a feast and a mystery box, and another with something else (not feast) -- then choosing the feast would be choosing the temptation. But we have no intimation from the vidcaps about this. Another way they might have CHOSEN or been TEMPTED to feast would be if Jiffy gave them a choice prior to the feast. Again, we don't see this. Assume for the sake of argument there was no set-up with a choice, just a feast and a mystery box to be opened at the end. In that case, the CHOICE or TEMPTING TWIST is a choice they will be tempted with once they open the box and has nothing to do with enjoying the feast at all. What would it be? I don't know. Why would the feast itself be no strings? Um, because the producers want them to get drunk, celebrate the "merge" - and make a foolish choice informed by alcohol and letting down their guard?
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings
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11-03-08, 05:23 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
Back to the teasers:
-The tribes come together for a surfside feast with a tempting twist.As I just argued, I think the "tempting twist" is a temptation they find in the box that comes "with" the feast, not the feast itself. The feast is planned as the way the producers will fool the castaways into thinking there's a merge by Thailanding them. What is in the box? Either one temptation they can take or refuse, or two options to choose between. The second teaser says
-The castaways decide to make a shocking sacrifice that many regret. The choice must be a majority in the first place and may even be unanimous, as it says "the castaways decide." Doesn't really hint at a rift here. If many regretted it at the time they made the choice, as in dissenting, at most the many would be 4 out of 10. So I'm thinking the regret comes when they find out what is entailed.
This might be as simple as the tribe reshuffle, or something to do with future food, I'm just trying to sort out the sequence of the temptation so we can speculate. Then what about "shocking sacrifice"? Do they know it's a sacrifice when they pick it? Or do they pick and then learned it is a sacrifce (SHOCKING) which they promptly REGRET? (apparently many but not all have regrets) That seems more likely to me. I think the big question here is whether all this talk of the temptation and sacrifice refers to something they pick that results in the swap. Perhaps WHAT they pick determines which tribe they're now on. Or is there more than what we've been shown, and is there some sacrifice that involves a hardship, or perhaps deferring the merge more than one episode, I don't know. third clue
-One castaway takes the game into his own hands and lets the power go to his head. Sticking with my idea that more often than not the teasers are written sequentially, the first two are I think a ONE TWO punch of FEAST & CONSCEQUENCES of their choice. The last one could be much later, even between IC and TC. Just because we saw Randy gloating at the feast, this could be about something he does later. My guess is that, with the Onion alliance cast to the winds momentarily, Randy steps out on his own to make a move. Perhaps a game-changing move. Now if this is Randy, and this clue does apply to late in the episode, that indicates to me that Randy's tribe is going to TC. Otherwise there's no need to focus on his move. Another possible interpretation is that Randy decides to take the game in his hands and throw the challenge to protect his Onion Alliancers on the other side, in which case Randy's tribe still goes to TC ... and Randy's confidence in his own safety will be put to the test.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-08, 08:00 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
hey, thank you so much for bringing that over, CTgirl.
I hadn't seen it.so it confirms that tribes (plural) are competing. I do think it could be Marcus v Matty in the showdown. You point out the sequence is more clear now. The power drunk person is clearly Randy from Jeff's voiceover in the preview, and his decision seems to be connected to the ensuing IC. I already spec'd that Randy would pitch throwing the challenge to Corinne and Charlie prior to the IC, not knowing what it would be or how easy to throw, I do see this new clue as going along with that. The question is, does the victory go to the cumulative best time as in Thailand Ep 8, or to the tribe with the last person standing? If the latter, Randy et al can't really throw it. Is there an individual immuntiy in play? Lots we don't know. We do see Charlie and Corinne competing, but WHEN in the challenge is hard to say. I hope the challenge is cumulative time because that reinforces the tribal aspect of the competition.
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11-03-08, 06:14 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
I've been thinking about the connection that the message on the box makes to the length of the feast. In other words, unlike most of the show's food rewards, the players and not the producers controlled its duration. So, given that usually there is far more food and drink available at these things than the contestants can comfortably consume in one sitting, I wonder if the message inside the box was time sensitive and the 'temptation' was the mystery of the box itself. So that, like children eyeing a Christmas present that begs opening before breakfast is finished, they prematurely ripped the box open only to discover that, had they enjoyed their meal (and communal fellowship) a bit longer (say, 'til dawn) they would have reached merge rather than initiated yet another reconfiguration of their separate tribes. Or, I suppose it could have worked the other way 'round: foregoing eating and drinking themselves silly - finishing their meal and returning to the Game within a timeframe that demonstrated an admirable Survivor work ethic - they would have been spared another reshuffling. Or not ... G
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-08, 00:22 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
Thats a really interesting idea, Bebo!Although, the caps of the feasting and playing around look to me like a group that believes it's become one tribe. Whatever the twist is, needs to fit in with Jeff's blog hype: Next week – we finally pull one over on this group of Survivors. A small victory, but it felt so good that I want to brag about it early. I think you'll love it and you will shake your head in amazement at the "never happened before" moment that occurs as a result. Finally? I hadn't noticed them trying and failing in the sense of surprising ... although the other swap was a failure if the intent was to equalize the tribes in competitive ability and functionality. Who does he want to brag about fooling? Indeed, maybe Marcus and his alliance are just too secure about their future. Now what is the mechanism? It must be some kind of TRICK, I'm thinking, such as what you propose, because of the wording "pull one over." So perhaps it's not a situation where the producers EVER planned to give the players an opportunity to merge. That makes me think the whole temptation angle is sort of bogus, in that it implies resisting temptation would have helped them avoid the swap. The players are meant to walk into this twist and get their minds' blown, and I'd be surprised if it's set up with an out. How they get swapped probably has some variable to it. I can't recall any past swap where the producers assigned who is swapped where once the game had begun and alliances formed.
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11-04-08, 00:32 AM (EST)
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11. "exile (non) island?" |
i dont know what it means, but there is no mention of exile or tribal council...
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-08, 00:33 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-04-08 AT 01:09 AM (EST)The thing is, they are holding hands ...
Bob has his arm around Kenny
Marcus is holding Sugar's hand, looks like.
Randy and Kenny are hugging. 
Lots of shots of everyone coming together, and already drinking beer, so would this fit with having just voted not to actually merge? What do you think, Bebo? Also the voiceover on the promo says that the castaways think they are merging but what's in the box will shock them. This supports, IMHO, my idea that there is no clear vote or choice put to them prior to the feast. I am not convinced any one thing happens yet, just looking at what evidence we have that might support or disprove each theory.
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11-05-08, 01:34 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-05-08 AT 03:56 PM (EST)Were the producers hedging their bets by having a challenge that could be team or individual? I always suspected in Thailand that if anyone had switched tribes when it was offered earlier (Shii Ann and Stephanie considered it but didn't), that the real merge would have occurred when they had the fake merge. The first several tribal challenges after that were very easy to retool as individual challenges. ETA: but the problem I have here with them being offered the choice to merge or not is that production would have to be prepared to deal with either decision. But what would happen if they chose to merge? Would Jeff have to tell them, "Sorry, I lied, you can't merge." It seems like production would only be capable of putting something over on them if they chose not to merge. Surfkitten Summer Sigshop 2008
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings
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11-05-08, 04:53 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
>>>But what would happen if they chose to merge? Would Jeff have to tell them, "Sorry, I lied, you can't merge." It seems like production would only be capable of putting something over on them if they chose not to merge.This is what I have been arguing (somewhere, I can't keep track of all my posts yesterday!) The producers planned to not merge them. That is my read on what Jiffy said. The only question on production side I think was whether the castaways would fall for it hook line and sinker ... and they did, so WooHoo! and Jeff is "bragging" about it because of that. By "fall for it" I don't mean make the non-merge decision. I mean fall for the fake merge by getting all comfy at the feast. Thailand was 6 years ago, after all. I do expect there will be something different about this fake merge that allows Jeff to say it's a never before seen. (different players, different location?  )
Let us not then suspect our happy state left so imperfect by the Maker wise, as not secure to single or combined.
Frail is our happiness if this be so, and Eden were no Eden thus exposed." ~ John Milton, Paradise Lost, IX
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings
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11-05-08, 04:19 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
Re hedging their bets --
they used a similar challenge in Thailand for the week (Ep8) that they continued to delay the merge but had tribes living on one beach. It was the breathing underwater through a snorkel challenge.We argued all week if it was really tribal, the buff colors being the only evidence that it was. A challenge may be devised and story-boarded earlier in the season to go either way. So it could have been changed on the fly due to some choice, or it could have been devised to go either way because earlier they/producers had not decided when the merge would be.
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11-06-08, 08:56 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Ep 8 Website clues" |
came up with this theory driving home: at the feast everyone can drink. there is a choice between eating and looking for another HII. randy and possibly marcus or matty choose to look for the HII instead of eating at the feast. randy finds the HII2. that is the tempting twist and shocking sacrifice.
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