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48. "RE: Their Prayers were Answered"
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>From their exchange in S5 finale,
>we know that Jacob wants
>the best for the Losties
>while MIB has only selfish
>desires. Jacob thinks humans can
>live without wars, destruction and
>corruption. MIB sees only our
>dark side.

How did you get that from their exchange?

>The flashbacks showed us that all
>the Losties were miserable but
>they had dreams.

But, how much of hat misery is directly related to Jacob's influence? Look at Sawyer, for example. He's a kid, and he gets this idea of revenge against Sawyer in his head. Just as he's crumpling up his letter, Jacob shows up and puts him back on the path. How is that being a "good guy?"

>I see the flash-sideways, the world without
>Jacob, as a world without god. Look at what you've
>just described: All our Losties are content, they
>have mostly what they want but are
>they happy? They seem to have abandoned their
>dreams and are just going through the
>motions.

I guess this is where we disagree? Look at Locke, for example. After Jacob's influence, he was determined to prove to the world that he could do anything a walking person could do, even though that wasn't the case. He even went so far as to go to Australia to go on a walkabout, which was completely impossible. And, when he couldn't go, he lost it, he snapped.

Now, look at his life without Jacob's influence. Sure, he may have given up on his dreams of being able to do everything that a walking person can do, but he is apparently happily in love, about to marry, and has made peace with the fact that he is in a wheelchair. He now knows that, while he is physically limited, he can still be a productive member of society, and can live a happy life.

How did Jacob's influence make his life better? It brought him torment and anguish on an island that eventually lead to his suicide.

Lastly, there is the whole TV show part of this...This show has been built from the beginning as a show that leads you down a path that is 100% crystal clear, only to show you that what you've believed so far is wrong.
--We see mysterious people on the island who look like hermits, and just when we get to the point that we're about to find out what they've been doing for so long, we are told that they aren't hermits, they are in costume. Then, we find out that there *ARE* mysterious people on the island.
--We watch Jack's past as an alcoholic, pill-popping doctor who's life is in shambles...and then we find out that it is his FUTURE, not his past.
--We are driven down the path that if the losties return to the island, that Locke will be resurrected, and that happens. Then we find out that he wasn't resurrected at all.

But, now that we're being happily drven down the highway of Jacob is good, MIB is evil...you expect there isn't a twist coming?

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 Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Sundow...   mrc     02-28-10       
   RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   zombiebaby     03-03-10     1  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Breezy     03-03-10     2  
         RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   trigirl     03-03-10     3  
             RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   CTgirl     03-03-10     14  
             RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Flowerpower     03-03-10     25  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Tummy     03-03-10     4  
         RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Breezy     03-03-10     7  
             RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Tummy     03-03-10     10  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   michel     03-03-10     32  
         RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   frodis     03-03-10     35  
             RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   michel     03-03-10     37  
                 RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   frodis     03-04-10     44  
                     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   michel     03-07-10     47  
   RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Tummy     03-03-10     5  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Max Headroom     03-03-10     8  
         RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Road Kill     03-03-10     19  
             RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   frodis     03-03-10     20  
   RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   mrc     03-03-10     6  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Flowerpower     03-03-10     29  
         RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   michel     03-03-10     33  
             RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   dabo     03-04-10     40  
                 RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   michel     03-04-10     43  
   Claire and Charley   esquire     03-03-10     9  
     RE: Claire and Charley   Flowerpower     03-04-10     41  
   RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   frodis     03-03-10     11  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Breezy     03-03-10     12  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Tummy     03-03-10     21  
   RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   CTgirl     03-03-10     13  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   CTgirl     03-03-10     15  
         Dr. Linus   Flowerpower     03-03-10     28  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Breezy     03-03-10     16  
         RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Max Headroom     03-03-10     18  
     RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   frodis     03-03-10     17  
   Smokey's victims   frodis     03-03-10     22  
     RE: Smokey's victims   dabo     03-03-10     23  
         RE: Smokey's victims   CTgirl     03-03-10     24  
             RE: Smokey's victims   trigirl     03-03-10     26  
             RE: Smokey's victims   frodis     03-03-10     31  
                 RE: Smokey's victims   Flowerpower     03-04-10     42  
         RE: Smokey's victims   frodis     03-03-10     30  
             RE: Smokey's victims   dabo     03-04-10     38  
     RE: Smokey's victims   weltek     03-03-10     36  
   Purgatory   trigirl     03-03-10     27  
   Their Prayers were Answered   michel     03-03-10     34  
     RE: Their Prayers were Answered   BrassFan     03-06-10     45  
         RE: Their Prayers were Answered   michel     03-06-10     46  
             RE: Their Prayers were Answered   BrassFan     03-07-10     48  
                 RE: Their Prayers were Answered   michel     03-07-10     49  
                     RE: Their Prayers were Answered   BrassFan     03-07-10     50  
                         RE: Their Prayers were Answered   michel     03-07-10     51  
                             RE: Their Prayers were Answered   dabo     03-08-10     52  
                             RE: Their Prayers were Answered   BrassFan     03-08-10     53  
                                 RE: Their Prayers were Answered   michel     03-08-10     54  
                                     RE: Their Prayers were Answered   BrassFan     03-08-10     55  
                                         RE: Their Prayers were Answered   michel     03-09-10     56  
                                             RE: Their Prayers were Answered   dabo     03-09-10     57  
                                             RE: Their Prayers were Answered   michel     03-09-10     58  
   RE: Discussion Thread Ep. 6.06: "Su...   Outfrontgirl     03-04-10     39  

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