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57. "RE: A recount of LA X"
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Great analysis, FP. I hope you won't mind if I add my opinion?


>It absolutely starts off right where
>it ends....with the explosion/white out
>from the swan site in
>1977. Oceanic Flight 815 makes its
>way from Sydney to LA,
>and we have Jack...
>it's he that's ruffled with
>the turbulence, and it's Rose
>that comforts him, with the
>same words that he originally
>used with her...so, things are
>changed...

Great point about Rose. (As a side note, there was an error in the script when Nemesis said Locke was the only one that didn't want to go home. Rose also wanted to stay on the island.)

As for changes, I had noted that the 2 characters who had changed the most, Lucky man Hurley and a smiling Locke are the two that had the most direct contact with Jacob and Nemesis. That HAS to mean something.


>the island that is still
>submerged underwater, which leads us
>to believe that once the
>incident occured, our survivors were
>never there, but how then,
>did the island submerge?

I think our Losties were there but that we can't think of time as "before" and "after" but rather as an another dimension of space. 1977 wasn't "before" 2004. The H bomb exploded "after" or rather in a different location than the 2004 flight back to LA. The Losties were in both places, dislodged from our space-time continuum by the combined forces of the bomb and the Island's electro-magnetic field.

>they are now at the
>imploded site of the Swan
>Station after Desmond had turned
>the fail safe key....so, in
>other words the station was
>built, and was not destroyed
>with the detonation of the
>H bomb. So, they got
>there in the present from
>a time flash, not from
>the explosion of the bomb.

The bomb did explode. What we saw is somehow the result of the explosion and the implosion of the island's forces.

>Ben replies of
>course he's alright, he's inside
>talking with John...and Richard drags
>him over to see dead-Locke....


Ben is certainly out of the loop, isn't he?!!


>Then XLocke appears again to
>Ben and tells him, "i'm
>sorry you had to see
>me like that."

The line of the series, really.

>Sawyer
>cries. He brings her out,
>looking sinister toward Jack..."You did
>this"

>Cut to the plane, and Charlie
>tells Jack: "Should have let
>it happen....I was supposed to
>die!"

I loved this juxtaposition: Jack can never do the right thing! Is it to mean that science can never get it right?


>Cut to Miles and Sawyer, and
>they have just buried her.
>Sawyer tells Miles to talk
>to Juliet because she had
>something very important to tell
>him....he does and says, "she
>wanted to tell you, it
>worked!" So there we have
>it, IT WORKED!!!! They will
>be able to blow up
>the bomb to make it
>so their Oceanic flight 815
>never crashes....clearly, it doesn't work
>this time,

I really think it did work. Not exactly how they expected but Jughead did explode and there are the results. Juliet and the Losties probably die/died in a "place" called 1977 but can still be alive in a "place" called "Island 2010" and a "Plane 2004". The same for the island, it is submerged in one universe/reality but not in an another.


>Speak of the DEVIL, we cut
>to XLocke. Ben asks him,
>what are you, a monster?
>XLocke tells him, "let's not
>resort to name calling, shall
>we?" ... Ben asks, "what do
>you want?"
>XLocke: "Well, that's the great irony,
>Ben. I want the only
>thing that John Locke didn't,
>I want to go home"
>XLocke, aka Smokey, wants to
>go back home, which I
>presume is where smokey lived,
>in the hole in the
>wall at the temple

Well, if we are speaking of the devil as I think that is the identity of Nemesis then the home he would want to return to would be Heaven! With God/Jacob dead then Satan could return. Just like Widmore and Ben were banished from the island, Satan was an archangel who was banished from Heaven.

>>XLocke goes immediately to
>Richard...
>Richard: "It's you?"
>XLocke: "It's me."
>..."I am very disappointed
>in all of you!! And
>then he goes and passes
>right by deadLocke.

Why would Satan be disappointed in Richard and the Others? On the one hand, they do live happily in a sort of Eden and didn't fall for his temptations. They were the "Good Guys" and they only started doing bad things after Jacob had been removed from the cabin.

>Hurley: "Oh my God! Sayid's alive!"


Is Sayid the reincarnation of Jacob? I thought Hurley was Jacob's loophole but we'll have to wait and see.

>1. In the end, the survivors
>will be able to avoid
>the crash, and will go
>directly from Sydney to LA....but,
>they are indeed different, they
>have changed because of their
>experiences on the island, most
>obvious, Hurley is no longer
>cursed, he's LUCKY! Jack was
>the one really frightened by
>the turbulance, not Rose....and other
>changes that are more subtle.

I think that, in the end the Losties will be able to find their way from the island to LA. They simply need to do it like Hurley: Find happiness. It would be a great progress from their lives of despair, battle and hate.

>2. In the end, the island
>will be submerged...

In one reality, it already is.


>3. The story will unfold as
>we see their ending, along
>with the events that are
>revealed that led them to
>the end.

What we saw of LAX isn't the end. It's just part of the progress.


>6. I think XLocke is headed
>back to the temple, as
>I recall that the hole
>in the wall is where
>smokey lived. When he gets
>there, I presume there the
>war will commence.

Again, I think the home he longs for is Heaven.

>7. Hurley is the vehicle that
>Jacob did indeed use to
>rouse his forces...just as Locke
>was the vehicle that the
>man in black used to
>get to Jacob.

Yes, but then what is Sayid?

>8. Yet another group of Island
>Others exist into the present,

I think the Others were originally led by Jacob but something happened and the forces of evil took over. Richard believed that Jacob was still living in his cabin but Jacob hadn't been there for a long time. So at one point Eloise, Widmore, Ben or Locke stopped serving Jacob and started serving the Man in Black/Nemesis/Shepard/Smokey/Satan.

As for the upcoming war, Nemesis believes that Jacob knew he was beaten but we see that Jacob still has tricks up his sleeve.


>9. I firmly believe that the
>exchange between Jack and Locke
>at the end of the
>show provided us with hope
>that Locke would indeed walk
>again to become the man
>we knew and loved on
>this adventure...that Jack will change
>Locke's fate, and enable him
>to walk again....it was Locke's
>destiny, to walk again

I don't much care for what happens in LA. I think it will be as insignificant as the last time they were off the island. Just an interlude before they get back.


>Questions:
>1. What the heck is on
>Jack's neck? Tatoo, wound, what?

The different Realities/Universes separated but not completely. Some scars, memories and knowledge of the other reality still exist.

>2. Where is Desmond? Where did
>he come from, where did
>he go?

More importantly: Did he even meet Penny in this reality? Maybe Widmore was never banished from the island so Penny would still be there. Changing the future didn't bring joy to all of them.



>6. Where were Michael and Walt?

I have a theory about Walt: He was indeed the "special" one but in Jacob's eye. When Walt finally made it to the island, Jacob wasn't in charge anymore and that's why Walt was rejected. Nemesis didn't want anything to do with Jacob's special one.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Episode 6.1: "LA X"   mrc     01-08-10       
   RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   zombiebaby     01-08-10     1  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   mrc     01-08-10     4  
   Obama has been informed of the situ...   Snidget     01-08-10     2  
     *snort*   zombiebaby     01-08-10     3  
   1 WEek to go BUMP~   zombiebaby     01-26-10     5  
     Thank yew for the warning!   moonbaby     01-26-10     6  
     RE: 1 WEek to go BUMP~   mrc     01-27-10     8  
         Agree   zombiebaby     01-27-10     9  
             *spoiler*   mrc     01-27-10     11  
   RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   trigirl     01-27-10     7  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   zombiebaby     01-27-10     10  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Flowerpower     01-28-10     13  
   RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   warp_core breach     01-27-10     12  
   RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   strid333     02-01-10     14  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Flowerpower     02-01-10     15  
         RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   strid333     02-02-10     16  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Breezy     02-02-10     17  
         RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   trigirl     02-02-10     18  
   Pre show stretches!   zombiebaby     02-02-10     19  
     RE: Pre show stretches!   mrc     02-02-10     20  
     I'm ready!   moonbaby     02-02-10     21  
   Boy's fighting   HobbsofMI     02-02-10     22  
     RE: Boy's fighting   Riordan     02-02-10     23  
   WOW!!!!   michel     02-02-10     24  
     RE: WOW!!!!   HobbsofMI     02-02-10     25  
         RE: WOW!!!!   CTgirl     02-02-10     26  
             RE: WOW!!!!   HobbsofMI     02-02-10     27  
   Holy Crap   HobbsofMI     02-02-10     28  
   Wired   moonbaby     02-02-10     29  
     RE: Wired   HobbsofMI     02-03-10     30  
         Don't go here if you don't want to ...   moonbaby     02-03-10     31  
             RE: Don't go here if you don't want...   Breezy     02-03-10     32  
                 RE: Don't go here if you don't want...   Tummy     02-03-10     33  
                     RE: Don't go here if you don't want...   dragonflies     02-05-10     78  
   RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   zombiebaby     02-03-10     34  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tummy     02-03-10     35  
         RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   zombiebaby     02-03-10     37  
             RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tummy     02-03-10     40  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Breezy     02-03-10     36  
         RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   zombiebaby     02-03-10     38  
             RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Breezy     02-03-10     39  
                 RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   zombiebaby     02-03-10     41  
                     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Breezy     02-03-10     43  
                         RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tummy     02-03-10     45  
                             RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Breezy     02-03-10     47  
             RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tummy     02-03-10     42  
                 RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   zombiebaby     02-03-10     54  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   moonbaby     02-03-10     44  
         A recount of LA X   Flowerpower     02-03-10     46  
             Why would Jacob/the island need Say...   weltek     02-03-10     49  
                 RE: Why would Jacob/the island need...   Tummy     02-03-10     50  
                 RE: Why would Jacob/the island need...   mrc     02-03-10     51  
                 Remember   zombiebaby     02-03-10     53  
             RE: A recount of LA X   zombiebaby     02-03-10     52  
             RE: A recount of LA X   michel     02-03-10     57  
                 RE: A recount of LA X   Tummy     02-04-10     63  
                     RE: A recount of LA X   frodis     02-04-10     64  
                         RE: A recount of LA X   Tummy     02-04-10     68  
                             RE: A recount of LA X   weltek     02-05-10     79  
                         Clothes   zombiebaby     02-04-10     71  
                     RE: A recount of LA X   zombiebaby     02-04-10     70  
                 RE: A recount of LA X   Flowerpower     02-04-10     72  
             RE: A recount of LA X   frodis     02-04-10     66  
                 RE: A recount of LA X   Tummy     02-04-10     69  
         Chains and Richard   Breezy     02-03-10     48  
             RE: Chains and Richard   Tummy     02-03-10     55  
   Aging   trigirl     02-03-10     56  
   Another note:   michel     02-03-10     58  
     RE: Another note:   Flowerpower     02-04-10     59  
   RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tahj     02-04-10     60  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   weltek     02-04-10     61  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tummy     02-04-10     62  
         RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   frodis     02-04-10     65  
             RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tahj     02-04-10     67  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Breezy     02-04-10     73  
   RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   michel     02-04-10     74  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Tummy     02-05-10     75  
     RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   Flowerpower     02-05-10     76  
         RE: Episode 6.1: "LA X"   michel     02-05-10     77  

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