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"The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers"
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LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 05:18 PM (EST)He's baaaa-aaack! The ChillOne posted some S12 info at Sucks. Here is the thread, and what he's posted so far: http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm19.showMessageRange?topicID=2618.topic&start=1&stop=20
(12/5/05 8:31 pm)
ChillOne's S12 Holiday Spoiler Presents
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Happy Holidays everyone! Well, ever since Wezzie and Dan broke the news on Survivor's return to Panama, I've been receiving information from the many friends I made while touring the Pearl Islands after the filming of #####. As of now, I really only have descriptions of contestants; not names (well, except for one). So, I'll leave it up to my spoiling colleagues out here to try to unravel those mysteries before the January premier. But, I also have some game details. So, we can all piece together the puzzle throughout the S12 season. Anyway, here is what I know (so far):
PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE TO READ THIS THREAD IF YOU THINK POTENTIAL SPOILERS WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT YOUR SURVIVOR VIEWING EXPERIENCE! OK, now that I got that off my shoulders... .
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. To begin, infomation points to a 3-tribe scenario at the beginning of the game. For many, that comes as good news. Additionally, the production will include the somewhat frequent use of a "penalty island". How it is used in the context of the game, I'm not sure. But, contestants are punished/banished to this island and isolated for a night due to some event in the game. Most likely, it's related to the challenges. OK, now to the peeps. I know the descriptions of seven contestants; those that probably are in the Final 9 of S12 (based on intel). They are -- with game details associated with each: 1) Military guy ... with Air Force roots and possibly even an astronaut. His name is Barry (or Jerry). Might be the leader and most in control. The intel is that this guy is really kicking ##### in the challenges. He wins the family reward challenge. Possible Final 4 candidate. 2) Black Girl ... a nurse. Awarded a family visit from Military guy (see's her husband). Possibly Final 4 candidate. 3) A very small man ... Awarded a family visit from Military guy (see's his son). Possibly Final 4 candidate. 4) Blonde girl ... does not get along with Air Force guy. When all are spending time with their families, she is sent to "penalty island". Does not get to see her mom. Possible Final 4 candidate. 5) Another blonde girl (noticible highlights in her hair). Voted off right before the family reward episode. Possible jury member. 7th place? 6) Asian guy ... sent to "penalty island" early in the game. Comes back to help his team win the next challenge. Possible jury member. 6th, 8th or 9th place? 7) Caucasian Girl w/ blonde rasta-style hair ... Possible jury member. 6th, 8th, or 9th place? Well, that's it for now. I know there are 2 people missing from the Final 9 equation. But, as of now, we should have enough to chew on to make for fun conversation and debate (especially when mixed with other S12 spoilers). As I hear more, I will post. And, when the contestants are officially revealed, it should make for even more fun matching them up with this intel. Best wishes to everyone this holiday season. - The ChillOne
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Is that F4 list in order of most likely finish (1st to 4th place)?
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L.Knight (and all others); I just want to clarify that this list is not a hard F4 list. In my initial post, I used the word possible for each of Military guy, Black Girl, A very small man, and Blonde girl. My reasoning is this ... first off, I'm missing two peeps from the Jury/Final 2 contestent pool of nine. Now, based on intel received over these weekend, these four survivors were "still in the game." Now, assuming TDT's calendar is spot-on, there would be five people left in the game as of this past weekend. So, one of these four people may not make it to the F4. Instead, one of the two people I'm missing would be.
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Hey Sammy. No, only one of them might be in the Final 2. If TDT's calendar is accurate, the other would have been voted off in 6th, 8th, or 9th place (assuming 7th place is the episode before family reward).
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1. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
I'll wait for the book.
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3. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
Thanks for posting BR. I have saved the info just in case as we will have to see how it pans out.
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4. "Summary as of 12/8/05" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-05 AT 11:27 AM (EST)I'm bored so I decided to put CO's info into a easy-reference summary. (This will also help sort out what appears to be just speculation.) ChillOne S12 SPOILER INFO
_________________________________________________________ Three tribe scenario at start of game? Edited 12/14 -- Or possibly four tribes? S11 finale revealed that there would be 16 contestants. See Flowerpower's CO update in post 16 for more details/speculation about the tribes. Penalty Island Used “somewhat frequently” during the game. Contestants (presumably only one at a time?) were banished to the island for a night. Cause for banishment not known, possibly related to challenges. One contestant, an Asian male, was sent to Penalty Island early in the game. A Blonde Girl was on Penalty Island while others were enjoying the Family Reward. Contestants still in the game at Final Five, assuming TDT's calendar is accurate: 1) Military Guy, possibly Air Force or astronaut background. Named Barry or Jerry. Possible “leader”, strong in challenges. Wins family reward challenge, which he shares with (at least) Black Girl and Very Small Man. 2) Black Girl, a nurse. Gets to share family reward, is visited by husband. 3) Very Small Man. Gets to share family reward, is visited by son. 4) Blonde Girl who does not get along with Military Guy. Is on Penalty Island during the Family Reward, does not get to see her mom. 5) Unknown person at this time Other contestants that do not make the Final Five: 1) Blonde Girl with Highlights. Voted off right before family reward. Presumably this puts her on the jury, finishing around 6th/7th place. 2) Asian Guy. Sent to Penalty Island early in the game; when he returns he helps his tribe win the next challenge (RC or IC not specified). CO speculates he may make jury, as he believes all the descriptions given to him are of people in the Final 9. 3) Blonde Girl with Rasta Hair. CO speculates she may make jury, as he believes all the descriptions given to him are of people in the Final 9. If it's true that all of these people make the jury, that leaves two people in the Final 9 unaccounted for by description yet. One of those “missing” two is in the Final 5. Edited to note: ChillOne does not say why neither Asian Guy nor Rasta Girl can be the remaining person in the Final 5. His source(s) may have told him they were already voted out by that time, but that is not explicitly stated in his posts (as it is with Highlight Girl, who was voted out before the Family Reward).
Edited again to note something odd: earlier today TDT had a spoiler page up for S12 that referenced some earlier posts by ChillOne (a couple from late November). In one of those posts CO mentioned that Asian Guy and Rasta Girl supposedly go deep in the game -- which would explain why he thinks they make the jury. I was going to bring them over but TDT has now taken down his S12 spoiler page. ??
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6. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
Thanks BR:The ChillOne's "intel" from the Amazon made that edition of Survivor much more fun to spoil. While some of the information was vague or distorted by ChillOne's own speculation, hindsight proved most of his intel to be useful... Remember the Jana/Jenna discussion, and the guy with the "tight" haircut (Matthew)...I think ChillOne learned alot from being in the hot seat that season and has been much more careful about what he presents as fact and what is his own speculation. I for one will pay close attention to the ChillOne's post and am looking forward to S12.
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8. "RE: OMH!! It's KB!!!" |
Hi emydi!Real life has gotten in the way of spoiler world, but it's all good...I have been trying to keep up on my survivor reading, and have been very impressed by the great spoiling here at SBlows...while I haven't been posting, I have been paying attention (still in the top 10 on Spoiler Island). I've missed interacting with my old spoiling friends, and meeting the new folks, but I'm hoping to find more time to contribute during S12. Happy Holidays!
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11. "RE: OMH!! It's KB!!!" |
Happy Holiday to you KB!!Well, KB, you're a big part of why Blows is well respected in the Spoiler world...I can't wait to have you back on a semi regular basis for S12 As for CO...I just started to actively spoil in S6 and I really didn't even know of CO's existence until late in the S6 game... Hmmm...are you posting from Panama, by any chance??? I really want to know about this very small man, and just how tiny he is and whether he is wearing liederhausen *sp* and a nifty little hat?? WAIT---------SPOILER ALERT---KB WINS S12!!! You heard it hear first!! KB you must tell us all about it I guess you're getting ready for your F2 questioning tonite, then, right? GO GET 'EM KB!!! 
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16. "The Latest from CO:" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-05 AT 03:30 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 12-12-05 AT 03:26 PM (EST) Here's the latest in the Chill One thread at Sucks: QE -- one of my sources "thought" that there might have been a 4th tribe, but could not confirm it (as with the other 3 tribes). And, he also "thought" that one tribe was all women, one tribe was all men ... but could not confirm that either. So, I did not post it. But, now that we know there are 16 players, it sounds like we will have 4 tribes of 4. And, it is highly probably that we wil see one tribe of four men. Another tribe of four women. Then other two, not sure. We'll see ... - The ChillOne
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Add a new peep to my F9 intel: 'Tall Skinny Guy' OK, the question now is, how much more do you want to know? - The ChillOne So the F9 include:
1. Military Guy: air force affiliated, ? astronaut, name is Barry or Jerry, ? leader, wins family reward, ?F4
2. Black Girl: nurse, sees husband for family reward, ?F4
3. Very small man: sees son for family reward, ?F4
4. Blonde girl: doesn't get along with military man, on exile island during the family reward, ?F4
5. Another blonde girl(noticible highlights in hair): Voted off right before the family reward episode, ? jury member
6. Asian guy: exile island in early game, came back to help his tribe win the next challenge, ? jury
7. Caucasian girl with blonde rasta-style hair: ?jury
8. Tall, skinny guy: ? jury
ETA: Just wanted to say that I found a guy that could fit the "military guy" on google....just early spec....:
Barry Eugene "Butch" Wilmore: 43 year old, Test pilot/instructor at the United States Air Force Test pilot school at Edwards Air Force Base, accepted as an Astronaut in 2000. Trained as a Navy Pilot and reached the status of Commander, USN before becoming an astronaut. Will expound upon should he be confirmed.
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18. "RE: The Latest from CO:" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-05 AT 04:38 PM (EST)Here are Nasa's Astronauts. There's one Jerry: Jerry Ross (retired - age 56) And one Barry, as FP has discovered: Barry "Butch" Wilmore Barry is definitely younger and seems like he would be more likely to kick azz in the challenges than Jerry, but because his nickname "Butch" is featured so prominently on NASA's website, I think he is probably known as "Butch" and not "Barry" as CO's sources have dubbed him. Barry was also inducted into the Tennessee Tech Sports Hall of Fame for being such a good linebacker. 
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Re: S12 peep updates
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New/updated intel in redbelow (includes one of the Final 9 survivors I was missing): 1) Military guy ... with Air Force roots and possibly even an astronaut. His name is Barry (or Jerry). Might be the leader and most in control. The intel is that this guy is really kicking ##### in the challenges (wins something like seven immunity challenges in a row). He wins the family reward challenge. ProbableFinal 4 candidate. Final 2 based on his immunity challenge dominance? 2) Black Girl ... a nurse. Awarded a family visit from Military guy (see's her husband). Possible Final 4 candidate. See F4 vote dynamics intel below. 3) A very small man ... Awarded a family visit from Military guy (see's his son). Possible Final 4 candidate.Possible jury member. 6th, 8th or 9th place? 4) Blonde girl ... does not get along with Air Force guy. When all are spending time with their families, she is sent to "penalty island". Does not get to see her mom. Possible Final 4 candidate. Name: Danielle? Also See F4 vote dynamics intel below. 5) Another blonde girl (noticible highlights in her hair). Voted off right before the family reward episode. Possible jury member. 7th place? 6) Asian guy ... sent to "penalty island" early in the game. Comes back to help his team win the next challenge. Possible jury member. 6th, 8th or 9th place? 7) Caucasian Girl w/ blonde rasta-style hair ... Possible jury member. 6th, 8th, or 9th place? 8) A tall, skinny guy ... Possible Final 4 candidate. (Note: Obviously, this guy may not have been skinny at the start of the game) I'm told that at the Final 4 Tribal Council, there is a voting stalemate; 2-2. To settle this, the 2 square off (Black girl vs. Blonde girl?) in that TC fire building challenge we've seen before -- first to have their fire burn through the string, wins. Loser walks. Of course, we now know it's called "Exile Island," not "Penalty Island." That is all. - The ChillOne Re: S12 peep updates
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21. "12/14 update - Final 4 and Final 2" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-05 AT 03:16 PM (EST)Looks like ChillOne has confirmed the Final 4. From Sucks: The Final 4 of S12 (based on intel): Final 2: Military guy
Final 2: Tall, skinny guy
3rd Place: Danielle (fueding with Military guy)
4th Place: Black girl (nurse) - The ChillOne Quote from Bianca:
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22. "RE: 12/14 update - Final 4 and Final 2" |
Wow, in order to get to the F2, Military guy must have won the last IC as well....all that astronaut/test pilot training must really pay off! Time will tell!
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24. "RE: 12/14 update - Final 4 and Final 2" |
BR, thanks for organizing all that!One thing to remember about the Amazon spoilers is that CO happened by the location POST-production, and proceeded to try to find locals with knowledge. I seem to remember that he then went to Panama (for Pearl Islands) with what results I cannot recall as I missed that season. I have a vague idea that CBS may have put out disinformation--being forewarned of his activity. Is that a bad recollection? In any case CO had developed contacts in Panama prior to this filming (and the same should apply to Wezzie and Quartzeye who were there before as well). I would imagine it's easier to find out good information if you get your inquiries in place before the shoot rather than come in cold to pick up the pieces afterwards. However, it might be good to remember that Panama was the site for a season where a true red herring was planted (the Darrah wins spoiler). I could see CBS seeding some disinformation amongst the locals that CO might have been talking to, so I'm not going to take it as gospel unless others get independent confirmation. *Rant warning*
The thing that irritates me about CO is his use of the term "INTEL"--it's like a finger down a blackboard every time I hear it.  It's a friggin TV show he's getting info about, not Al Quaida training camps, and there's no call for military/CIA/Black Ops speak. IMHO it just sounds SILLY (and conceited) in this context. It really bugs me to think of a season of "intel" coming up ... "spoiler" has served everyone else perfectly well for eleven seasons, no?.  The stupider the establishment is, the smarter the rebels become.
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26. "RE: 12/14 update - Final 4 and Final 2" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-15-05 AT 10:55 AM (EST)I'll third you both on "intel" -- it's such a ludicrous term to use. Edited -- oops, I have to delete my comments to forehead cause I just realized you were talking about Panama, not the Amazon. But I don't remember CO spoiling a final 7 order for Panama. Did he? OFG, I do believe his details are likely to be more accurate this time around since he was getting them while the game was in progress and/or just wrapped up. I think he was in the Amazon at least a month after that game was over, so the locals' memories would have been much more spotty.
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29. "Dec 15 update" |
First, some ChillOne Q&A:ILUVAshlee:
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I totally agree. - The ChillOne And today's update from CO (note that this is pretty much same as above with CO's spec added): I've updated my boot order (based on intel/logic): BOOT ORDER BASED ON INTEL: Final 2: Military guy
Final 2: Tall, skinny guy
3rd Place: Danielle (fueding with Military guy)
4th Place: Black girl (nurse) BOOT ORDER BASED ON LOGICAL ANALYSIS OF INTEL: 5th Place: A very small man, Unknown contestant
6th Place: A very small man, Unknown contestant 7th Place: Blonde Highlight girl 8th Place: Asian guy, Blonde Rasta girl **
9th Place: Asian guy, Blonde Rasta girl ** ** Note that intel received states that Asian guy and Blonde Rasta girl were not in the game around the December 2nd or 3rd timeframe. - The ChillOne
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Yes ... anything that rhymes with 'Barry' is a viable name for Military Guy.
Considering that neither "Jerry" nor "Terry" rhymes with "Barry" (at least not where I come from) that means Military Guy could be named:
Barry or Cary or Gary or Harry or Larry or Gerry/Jerry or Perry or Terry.
So far.
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LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 02:05 PM (EST)Wow emy, your noting that Jerry would rhyme with Barry where I come from as well got me to thinking..... JERRY LINENGER I have had the supreme pleasure of meeting him, hearing him give an incredible speech, and I have read his book, "Off the Planet". I just can't say enough about this guy and what the mere mention of his name as a contestant on Survivor does for me! Frankly he is the most amazing and inspiring person I think that I have ever met in my entire life. He tells the surreal story of living on the space station, Mir, for 5 months. He barely spoke the Russian language and was there with only Russians. He was on Mir, when it caught on fire as well. He spoke as if he was sitting in your living room recalling the entire time, without notes and very candidly. He graduated from the US Naval Acadamy with a degree in engineering and pre-med. He went to Medical School in Michigan, at Wayne State University Medical School. After Medical School he got 2 additional graduate degrees and a doctorate degree. Talk about the right stuff, this man will blow you away! He is the American dream with a blue collar upbringing in Michigan, East Detroit, I think. If Jerry Linenger gets on this show, I gaurentee that we will all be blown away by him the entire time, and soundly in his corner! His book, "Off the Planet", is an incredible read as well and I highly recommend it to all of you, and to your teenage children as well! Please let it be HIM! I think he should be about 50 yrs old by now though... ETA: I could totally see Jerry Linenger doing this, he truely is the ultimate SURVIVOR! Talk about driven! WOW! He's married with at least 2 kids that I know of(ETA: now he has 4). He would definately be able to go on the type of immunity run that CO describes, no ifs, ands, or BUTS! 
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I will note that I question how EPMB could ever think that the average Joe/average DAW could ever possibly compete with "the right stuff"???
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41. "Jerry does NOT rhyme with Barry" |
What is *wrong* with you people?! And, no, it's not a Brooklyn thing. Common words that rhyme with "Barry": carry
marry
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tarry Common words that rhyme with "Jerry": berry
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Bummer! Well, I can certainly see someone with the right stuff really dominating this game! No surprises there! Thanks, B!
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Thanks Wezzie, and thrilled to see you over here! Sure makes sense to me, with someone rumored to have won 7 individual challenges in a row.....someone with the right stuff would sure be a serious candidate! Please stop by again SOON!
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Final 2: Military guy
Final 2: Tall, skinny guySo, there seems to be a bug in CO's intel. His description of the military guy was: Military guy ... with Air Force roots and possibly even an astronaut. His name is Barry (or Jerry). Might be the leader and most in control. The intel is that this guy is really kicking ##### in the challenges. He wins the family reward challenge. Possible Final 4 candidate. He leads us to believe that the "military guy" is the astronaut. Both Dan Barry and Terry Deitz have names that rhyme with Jerry, Barry....but, with Dan and Terry both being in the show, it seems to me that Terry is the "military guy" while Dan Barry is the "tall skinny guy". He has them both making the final 2 and leads us to believe that "military guy" will win....but which one is "military guy"? My money is on Terry...
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LAST EDITED ON 01-09-06 AT 11:02 AM (EST)His source might have conflated the two of them, and only one of them may get to F4. I'm also wondering about the "very small man". Bruce looks like the shortest guy there, but he must also be the "Asian man". Why would he be identified in two different ways? Maybe the details about "very small man" and "Asian man" came from two different sources? ETA: So Courtney is the Rasta girl, and Cirie is the nurse, obviously. The woman with blond highlights could be Melinda, or maybe Sally; and one of them or Tina must be the blonde that doesn't get along with Military guy.
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44. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-06 AT 11:34 AM (EST)Another thing that points to the possibility of Bruce being the "small man" is that, according to ChillOne, he gets invited on the family visit by the Military Man and gets to see his son. Do we think Shane (at 35) is old enough to have a son who would make the trip? ETA: Shane does have a son, according to his cbs.com bio, who seems to be the focal point of his life. No age is given for the son, however. As an aside, son's name, "Boston", cracks me up, as it makes his name Boston Powers...."Yeah, baby!" As for the woman who has issues with the Military Man, that's still likely to be Danielle. Asked on Sucks as to whether the F3 woman is "blonde" or "Danielle" (since Danielle, as it turns out, isn't blonde), CO said it was Danielle. The big question, really, is whether the "tall, skinny" guy is Dan or Aras. According to Wickchix, the F2 guy is young. She also has a young girl (Danielle?) in the F2 (possibly having pissed off Astronaut Dan (among others), who winds up in 3rd). We're left with CO's F3 of: 3rd - Danielle
F2 - Military Man (Terry? Dan?) & Tall, Skinny guy (Dan? Aras?) Or Wickchix's F3 of: 3rd - Astronaut (Dan)
F2 - Young Guy (Aras?) & Young Girl (Danielle?), with the Young Guy probably winning by a mile due to Young Girl's actions.  Fester
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46. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
Bruce, the Asian man on the older guy tribe, is speculated by CO to make it to the jury....he's also speculated to leave the show due to "bowel problems"???
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48. "Wow, are you ever spoiled!" |
Survivor hasn't even aired and the winner is declared! What a bunch of spoiled rotten....Ok, it's outta my system! Isn't it soooo nice to have it all handed to us on a silver Chilled platter! You know why last season was so intriguing?? Cause we didn't freakin know it all! A few Tooth of Time (TOT) tid bits were fun and accurate, but at least we could still speculate, guess and detect. Remember TDT (True Dork Times) was not accurate in the beginning of the 11th season. Chills spoilers have sploiled: "The game is afoot." Sherlock Holmes. It's a wait and see ending now.... So we won't congratulate ourselves on on high scores at the end of the test if we stole the answers. The characters/suriviors this season look like they could be very interesting one and all. Great spoiling, but where is the game?
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51. "RE: Wow, are you ever spoiled!" |
Yes, Braveheart, there is lots to ponder and figure out. CO had Danielle as the blonde who didn't like/get along with "military guy", making the F4. But Danielle is clearly a brunette, so is Danielle the F4 or one of the many blondes on the show???Is Dan the tall, skinny guy or is Aras the tall/skinny guy? Is Terry the "military guy" or is Dan? Is Shane the really small man or is Bruce??? Lots for us to chew on here!
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53. "Thoughts after cast reveal" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-06 AT 09:22 PM (EST)The cast has been officially revealed and there's a lot of supporting data for ChillOne and Wickchix (as well as some conflicting data). Here are some initial thoughts... The Tribes
A general observation is that this is the 3rd oldest cast yet, and much older than Guatemala's. Last season, we had half of the cast age 26 or younger, with 4 under age 24. This season? None under 24. The disparity between the "Older" and "Younger" tribes isn't so great as the oldest woman is in her 40s and the two 50-something men both come from conditioning-related fields. Additionally, each of the 4 tribes has at least one 30-something member. I think the relative maturity of this cast will mean stronger alliances. The "old" casts (Borneo, Africa and Thailand) all had rock solid alliances that carried to the end, while the younger casts of Guatemala and Pearl Islands had a lot more blindsiding. I think bonds made early will carry to the end this season. It looks like the members of E1's "Old Men" tribe do the best in the game. Terry or Dan (or both) appear to make the F2, Shane appears to make the F5, and Bruce appears to make the jury (perhaps being forced out of the game for health reasons). Conversely, it looks like the members of E1's "Young Men" tribe do the worst. Only Aras has the potential of making the F2 (if Wickchix's "Young Man" is CO's "Tall, Skinny" guy). Bobby, Nick, and Austin all look like pre-jury boots. I'd look for Bobby to be the first of this bunch to get the boot, as he's noticeably older than the rest and seems to have an attitude. The women's tribes seem to be split in terms of longevity. "Older Women" Cirie and, perhaps, Melinda, Tina, or Ruth Marie (as "blonde highlights" woman) appear to make the jury, while "Younger Women" Danielle, Courtney ("Rasta Girl"), and perhaps Sally ("blonde highlights" woman?) appear to go deep in the game. Episode 1 & 2
There's an article circulating that tells us the format of the first couple of episodes. E1's RC loser exiles someone, who won't return until E2's IC. Vidcaps and the apparent long-term failure of the "Young Men" give the appearance that they are our E1 losers. In E2, the tribes appear to be combined pre-IC as the more traditional 8-person teams. There are really 2 ways this could happen: 1) The current tribes are fused with another current tribe, or 2) there is tribal reassignment. I'm leaning toward the former, with the Old Men being joined with the Young Men, while the Old Women are joined with the Young Women. Whether this is predetermined, random, or the product of a challenge, I think what inevitably happens is that the men become one tribe and the women become another, with the Old Men Lopevi-ing the Young Men, a la the Fat Five. Meanwhile, the women won't be quite as agist in their voting/alliances, but rather voting out ones who cause dischord or are untrustworthy over ones who might be challenge liabilities. I think Vanuatu illustrated that it really is the nature of the genders to act this way. Questions
Are the Astronaut and the Military Man the same person?
It would appear not. There is no mention that Dan Barry was ever in the military. And Terry, while a pilot, was never an astronaut. Consensus is that Terry is CO's Military Man who goes on a 7 consecutive IC tear. Is Danielle the F2/3 blonde?
It would seem so. CO wrote elsewhere that the person named Danielle is his F3 woman. And one I don't have the answer for... How do we reconcile CO's spoilers of an all-male F2 with a Military Man and a Tall, Skinny Guy (with Danielle in 3rd), with Wickchix's Young Man and Young Woman F2, with Astronaut finishing 3rd? Fester
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56. "RE: Thoughts after cast reveal" |
In E2, the tribes appear to be combined pre-IC as the more traditional 8-person teams. There are really 2 ways this could happen: 1) The current tribes are fused with another current tribe, or 2) there is tribal reassignment.I'm leaning toward the former, with the Old Men being joined with the Young Men, while the Old Women are joined with the Young Women. Well Fester, I have the answer to one question, this is from an article in Celebrity Spider(See the entire article here, post #30: "Survivor Panama - Exile Island, hosted by Jeff Probst, will find the 16 new castaways initially divided into four tribes of four -- Older Men vs. Older Woman vs. Younger Men vs. Younger Women (the four tribes will become two during a schoolyard pick in the second episode)." My question is, in the schoolyard pick'em, will they be required to alternate girl/boy picks as they did in Palau?(Personally I think they will). The young guys, unfortunately, are considered by many, young and old, as being the most threatening to win challenges, and by the looks of the young men on this show, they appear to be quite physically fit. Also, does anyone have the original posts by wickchix at all? It would be nice to see what she has said so we could contrast it to CO's.
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57. "RE: Thoughts after cast reveal" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-06 AT 09:50 AM (EST)FP,
Here's what I've seen Wickchix post(link)... Wanted to post some tidbits ive heard, but i didnt want to if someone else already put it out there. I know how brutal you guys are... i didnt see about A guy named bruce who is taken out of the game due to his bowel problems. Or the guy who had to get stitches.. Now i heard that the final two where a male and female with the male favored to win by a long shot. I heard the astronaut was final 3. I have more, but i just dont have the time to look back on the 16 pages that is here. -------------------------------- I know... sounds like a GREAT episode. From what i understand they have major food issues and they pretty much starve for the first 12 days. When the finally get food, alot of them get sick. I guess this guy gets really ##### packed (literally) and has to get out of the game. A woman does too, but she stays. -------------------------------- Ok... Im not trying to step on anyones toes, and i figured alot of the things have already been covered a million times on this board. Most of the time when i hear some good stuff, i look on the boards and you guys have been talking about it for months. As for the beginning, i was told that they will have to endure another 2 day hike to thier camp. (been there done that) Im assuming that they are not given any kind of food in the beginning (which leads to thier 12 days of starving.) As for the exile twist... the tribes can send someone to the island, however there is an immunity idol to be found with the same rules as before. (again... been there done that) CHILL - the final 2 is just what was told to me... a YOUNG man and woman, with the astronaut being final 3. The man to win by a long shot because of something the woman does or how she behaves. I guess she is not well liked. I usually hear little tidbits on some of the shows, but never enough to really fit anything together. Thats why sometimes i do write down what i hear to see if someone else can make some sense to it. Most of the time i keep my mouth shut, cause my skin is too thin.... but ill try and brace myself this time.
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58. "RE: Thoughts after cast reveal" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-06 AT 12:19 PM (EST)I think what inevitably happens is that the men become one tribe and the women become another, with the Old Men Lopevi-ing the Young Men, a la the Fat Five. This would make sense, Fester, to explain all the older men lasting longer (especially if, say, Aras joins them to give them a 5-3 majority), except as FP pointed out there is supposed to be a "schoolyard pick'em", which would be unnecessary if they are just going to consolidate the genders. How do we reconcile CO's spoilers of an all-male F2 with a Military Man and a Tall, Skinny Guy (with Danielle in 3rd), with Wickchix's Young Man and Young Woman F2, with Astronaut finishing 3rd? One thing about CO's info: he's missing detaiils one of the later boots. According to what he says, he's absent info on the person who would be leaving in either 5th or 6th place (with "very small" Shane leaving in the other spot). It seems curious that he got details on someone "having a military background" and also being "possibly an ex-astronaut", which we now know are two different people. And, CO mentioned both the names Barry (Dan's last name), and Jerry (which rhymes with Terry), which makes me wonder if both of these people were talked about. I'm wondering if CO's source somehow conflated these two people into one person -- or, if the way the source presented his info caused CO to do so. CO wasn't given any details on people that left the game early, so, since both "military man" *and* "astronaut" were mentioned to him, I think it's possible that both Terry and Dan get to the endgame, and Aras as well (from Wickchix's info, and from CO's source naming a "tall, skinny, guy" who presumably is not the same as the "astronaut"). The final 5 could consist in some order of Terry, Cirie, Dan, Aras and Danielle.
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59. "RE: Thoughts after cast reveal" |
Yes, these two accounts leave us alot to uncover, imo. Thanks for posting Wickchix info, Fester! I can't help but wonder if Terry/Danielle/Dan are the final three with Terry as "military guy" and Dan as the "tall/skinny" guy....then CO may just have them mixed up as to how it plays out. But, Wickchix states somewhat definatively that the guy in the final 2 is younger....which tall, skinny Dan is not, and she also has Dan in the F3 spot. So that doesn't fit. I was also wondering if the language caused some of the mix ups with CO's intel, don't know how well he speaks Spanish. Also, Wickchix has them all starving for the first 12 days and then they do get something to eat which leads to Bruce possibly leaving the game because of his "bowel problems"....or is it stitches? At any rate at day 12 or even 15 we are only at the 4 or 5th boot, and CO speculates that Bruce makes the jury...which would mean he has to make it at least to day 21(9 days post bowel upset???). So, I don't quite know what to make of that, seems there is quite a bit to iron out.
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60. "Trying to reconcile CO and Wickchix" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-06 AT 03:28 PM (EST)The more I think about this, the more I think Terry is Wickchix's "Young Man", while Dan is CO's "Tall, Skinny Man". Consider... Wickchix specifically says the astronaut finishes third. Dan is the astronaut, no question. CO says the Military Man wins 7 challenges in a row and is F2. I think consensus here is that Terry is the Military Man, since there's no record of Dan being in the military. We have ZERO info specific to any of the Younger Men tribe making the jury. The reason that Aras has been speculated to be CO's Tall, Skinny Man is because he's, well, tall and skinny and because of Wickchix's "Young Man" F2 info. None of that specifically points to Aras like the label "astronaut" points to Dan or the label "Military Man" points to Terry. If Terry and Dan are both F3, and if the entire Young Men tribe is long gone, Terry would seem "Young" by comparison, especially if he wins 7 ICs in a row. He has a youngish face, and is in good shape. Put him next to Dan and he probably looks considerably younger than his age. So I'm going with Dan being CO's cryptic Tall, Skinny man and Terry being Wickchix's cryptic Young Man until I see something that specifically points to Aras making the jury. This, however, doesn't address the conflicing F2 reports. CO has two men with Danielle 3rd, while Wickchix has a man and a woman with Dan third. At least one of these has to be wrong. CO is a known quantity, but he's getting his info from locals, I believe, whereas Wickchix isn't as well known (Sera, anyone?), but seems to know someone who works on the show. Fester
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65. "RE: Trying to reconcile CO and Wickchix" |
The more I think about this, the more I think Terry is Wickchix's "Young Man", while Dan is CO's "Tall, Skinny Man".Agreed, Fester.
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62. "RE: Thoughts after cast reveal" |
which leads to Bruce possibly leaving the game because of his "bowel problems"....or is it stitches?The guy with the stitches is not Bruce, but someone else about whom Wickchix didn't elaborate (yet): Wanted to post some tidbits ive heard, but i didnt want to if someone else already put it out there. I know how brutal you guys are... i didnt see about a guy named bruce who is taken out of the game due to his bowel problems. Or the guy who had to get stitches. Sounds to me like two different pieces of info about two different people.
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66. "RE: Thoughts after cast reveal" |
Hi Georgianna! I think those look like post surgical scars to me...old.
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69. "Update 1/11: Small man *might* be Bruce" |
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Anyway, Sucksters, let me mention that the bulk of my intel was gathered over a hand-full of conversations with my sources. And, it is known that MB has implemented some 'preventative spoiling' techniques to avoid the infiltration into the show's secrets. For example, with S12, he shifted and rotated local production help from film site to film site; being very cognizant of not having the same resources around the same location all that often. Needless to say, this strategy has been making the information more difficult to retrieve. And, in some cases, confusing the spoiler intel. So, with that in mind, it is possible that my 'very small man' may, in fact, be the same person as my 'Asian guy.' How? Well, Source A may describe Bruce as a 'very small man,' while Source B may describe Bruce as an "Asian guy.' The same goes for the whole military guy/astronaut controversy. All I can say is that I did my best to gather the information and post with as best of accuracy as I could. With people like Danielle (3rd place) and Cirie (4th place), I am very confident in my intel. I'm also confident in the descriptions of my F2 ... but obviously, there is still some work to be done to place names with these two dudes. In any case, as I've mentioned before, once the game begins to take shape (eg. who is Danielle not getting along with; Aras/Terry/Dan? ... who looks like a force in challenges; Aras/Terry? ... etc.) the pieces should begin to line-up w/ my spoilers. Again, should make analyzing this season all the more fun. That is all. - The ChillOne
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70. "RE: Update 1/11: Small man *might* be Bruce" |
Thanks for bringing this over, BR! Well, I for one love having something to chew on and as CO notes, it should unfold nicely! Can't wait to get started. He says that he's firm on the F3 though, that Danielle is F3, leaving the tall/skinny guy and the "military guy" as the F2, which still conflicts with the Wickchix intel.
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74. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
Hi guys!!! Im glad to see you guys are having fun with the spoiler info! Its nice to see a group actually talk about all avenues instead of arguing with one another.
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75. "The Chill One vs. Wickchix" |
Let me start by thanking both The ChillOne and Wickchix for the information they have collected and shared with us. I believe both have acted in good faith, trusting their sources, making every effort to insure reliability. Nonetheless, contradictions exist between their sources and only this season’s finale will settle it once and for all. In the mean time, how do we reconcile the differences or weigh their relative reliability? Festerfan does an excellent analysis in this thread and points out one of the significant differences between sources…”CO is a known quantity, but he's getting his info from locals, I believe, whereas Wickchix isn't as well known (Sera, anyone?), but seems to know someone who works on the show.” The ChillOne was first with his information, and it came from local sources on the ground in Panama, which I believe makes it less susceptible to tampering. I think CBS was caught off guard by its accuracy, and quickly set out to launch a misinformation campaign using people “who work on the show” as the conduit. I believe The ChillOne spoiled the final four and forced CBS to scramble and create doubt, in an effort to keep us wondering until after the finale. Wickchix may be the unwitting accomplice to the resulting misinformation campaign. Initially, The Chillone reported…”Military guy ... with Air Force roots and possibly even an astronaut. His name is Barry (or Jerry). Might be the leader and most in control. The intel is that this guy is really kicking ##### in the challenges. He wins the family reward challenge. Possible Final 4 candidate.” In hindsight we can conclude that information about Terry and Dan were merged into one composite, while the other was the…” Unknown person at this time”. It makes sense that information about the “Military Guy” in the Airforce and the “tall skinny guy” who turns out to be an Astronaut, could get muddled up, especially if they end up in the final two together. In Episode 1 we saw Terry and Dan make an alliance to the end, and while this contradicts “Strategies Revealed…”, the editors might have made an exception, if the story line was all about the integrity and “code of honor” these tw guys share. Terry may keep winning Immunity Challenges and take Dan with him to the end. The information provided by The ChillOne is somehow innocent and naive, which for me, gives it more credibility. While the information of Wickchix is “sourced”, and perhaps from a CBS insider, which makes it more susceptible to tampering. TDT’s Survivormeter has Dan the Astronaut listed “pre-jury” and vulnerable in EP3. He appears to believe the Tall skinny guy is Aras. TDT seems unconvinced that Wickchix is right about the astronaut finishing third, and if TDT has doubt, so do I. The Chillone seems very confident about Danielle and Cirie as 3rd and 4th. I’m sticking with The ChillOne for now…
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76. "RE: The Chill One vs. Wickchix" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-14-06 AT 06:40 AM (EST)Excellent thoughts there, KB! And thrilled to see you in these parts. I am so glad that you showed up with these strong thoughts, striking a position between these two spoilers. It will indeed make us re-evaluate our own personal positions regarding this spoiler info. While CO may not have everything to the letter, I tend to lean toward him with his info, then with Wickchix as well. I also think that Dan is headed at the very least toward the jury. At this stage of the game, it is clear that Wickchix continued to get more specific info after her initial intel....she originally stated that the show would once again start out with a very long hike....which we were able to discount really before the start of the show. Not a good sign, imo. TDT seems to have a reliable source as well, which does give me some pause. ETA: Welcome to our boards, Wickchix! Why don't you hang around and chew it with us!
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82. "TDT Confirmation." |
TDT has now confirmed that Dan is gone this week, which in turn confirms that Aras is most likely the "Tall Skinny Guy".It will be fun to watch the editing leading up to the final episode, knowing what we know... The Chillone is firm about Daniele and Cirie finishing 3rd and 4th, which fits with the rumored 2-2 vote at f4,decided by a fire-building challenge. Terry and Cirie voting against Aras and Danielle, Cirie losing the firebuilding, Terry completing his immunity run with a final immunity victory and selecting Aras over Danielle to face at TC. On the other hand, if Terry's Challenge run ends at F3, Aras or Danielle would be foolish to take him to the f2, in which case Wickchix scenario works just as well. The ChillOne vs. Wickchix debate continues...
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78. "RE: The Chill One vs. Wickchix" |
Krautboy - Great stuff... However just in case if you didnt see another post i posted before the cast was announced. I did indeed get the astronaut and the pilot confused. It is the pilot that i said to make 3rd. Dan is nowhere in my equations of the top spots. Terry, which chill said first to win a ton of IC was also confirmed by my source. Also was told he would find the idol. From what i was told, Terry was THE MAN this season, however, fell short at the 3rd mark.
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79. "RE: The Chill One vs. Wickchix" |
Wickchix:We are honored that you stopped by to shed shed more light on the subject. Sorry I was incomplete in my analysis. Hope you'll stay around to discus with us and set us straight. If Dan leaves in the next few episodes, that will certainly put the spotlight on Aras and add more fuel to the ChillOne vs. Wickchix debate. Thanks for sharing your thoughts... and your spoiler!
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81. "RE: The Chill One " |
I think having the II could still matter a great deal, particularly if Terry is on a run.Think about it. Terry gets "traditional Immunity," and when you go to vote, you KNOW he isn't going, but there is still the lurking terror of the immunity idol. How many times will alliances be able to keep a consistent target when they may be forced (repeatedly) to think THREE levels down into reversals on the Eviction? (before tribal council)
"We can't vote for Terry, because he won. Fine, we'll all vote for, X." (at tribal council)
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83. "Review of Spoilers" |
Thought it would be a good time to review the major pre-season spoilers...CO: Well, it's clear now that the "blonde highlights girl" is Sally. Will she be F7 and leave right before the episode with the Family Reward? Bruce will be exiled early in the game and come back to help his team win the IC....was this CO or WC? Wickchix: WRONG: show will start out with a long 2 day hike, first tribe will not eat for 10 days
Right: First boot is female, Terry, the pilot, will find the hidden II. ? Second tribe will not eat for 12 days...
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KLicK 316 desperate attention whore postings
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03-05-06, 06:34 AM (EST)
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86. "RE: Review of Spoilers" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-05-06 AT 06:35 AM (EST)CO has always been missing one of the F9. Dan or Austin? What if the "very small man" was a miscommunication and the person meant "very thin man." That could be Dan and Dan does have a son. Wouldn't it make more sense than Shane's son being allowed to visit? Austin's edit reminds me more of someone who "just misses" the jury -- a pre-merge narrator like Andrew in PI. Dan does have the spoiler from his wife that he came back thin and happy.
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03-05-06, 02:43 PM (EST)
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87. "RE: Review of Spoilers" |
I agree, Austin's edit has an Episode 7/8 boot written all over it, his edit reminds me more of Dave (AMAZON).... But If Aras was a SHOCKING Episode 7 boot, and Austin is one of our "small man" boot in ep. 11/12 all the spoilers can still play out, and in my opinion, it could make more sense, even with La Mina down in numbers. I don't see Sally defecting immediatly, cmon, look at Casaya! Sally is looking at a Episod10 boot, is that when at seven, she tried to defect with the remaining Casaya and gets caught? If they go in 4 strong and pull in Bruce, it gets interesting.... Or if Casaya goes in and tries to vote off Terry first....
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03-06-06, 11:31 AM (EST)
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89. "RE: Review of Spoilers" |
OMG - just thinking of this, what if Shane's son actually gets to visit - and then Shane doesnt win the visit, or worse - someone has the option to pick other people to have their loved ones as well like Judd did, and they dont pick Shane? He would not handle that well at all!
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03-16-06, 04:37 PM (EST)
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91. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
I'm bumping this because since there wasnt much to analyze from last night's episode I went back and looked at spoilers.
The thing is - the whole "blonde girl" thing bothers me. Courtney is clearly the "rasta girl", but the girl with the "noticeable highlights", said to go right around the family visit - is claimed to be Sally. I just dont see this. Sally is blonde, Danielle has noticeable highlights. We are given "blonde girl", "noticeable highlights", and "rasta girl" - it seems clear to me that sally would be the blonde one (Danielle is NOT blonde!), Danielle is noticeable highlights, and Courtney is rasta girl.
This means (even if sally is noticeable highlights) that according to spoilers she lasts longer than courtney - yet TDT and most people are not showing her lasting longer.
Also - supposedly its Aras, Terry, Cerie, and Danielle as the final four and its a tie at 4. Obviously Terry would have won immunity, but I just dont see a tie from this group. Now, replace Sally with Terry and it 100% makes sense. I know we have a source that puts Danielle in the final two, but something isnt jiving here.
Now granted, Sally is my favorite and I'd like to see her go far, and I think she could if she made the right moves - but basing just on spoiler info, not editing or feelings, I just dont see anyone but Danielle as "noticeable highlights". Now granted, based on what we heard about Sally's family situation I cant see her mom coming out to visit her...
Several things about the descriptions of the girls just seem out of place.
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04-14-06, 04:29 PM (EST)
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92. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
I honestly just wanted to bring this back to the top to see if there were any further thoughts on these early spoilers. CO's spoiler seems to have many flaws, but for some reason still appears to be perhaps the most true (if that makes any sense at all).
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04-16-06, 01:53 PM (EST)
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93. "FINAL 4 TIE" |
I couldn't put this in VS thread bc of the f4 spoiler but it does touch on editing.I wanted to touch on the F4 tie spoiler. After reading VS thread after Ep 9 that she surmises that he will indeed use it at F4 as Terry keeps eluding that it is when it is goood-- "through the final 4", and thinking about this spoiler, I think Terry has to lose the F4 IC, which Aras wins, and he uses the Hidden Idol then.
I thought maybe it would be irony at its best and Terry would win all of them but F3 when he needed it the most (he can't use the HI at f3), but after seeing how things have gone and how everyone isn already focusing on Aras as a threat and wanting him gone, I think this may be the way the tie occurs:
Terry loses and Aras finally gets to wear "Terry's Idol." If Aras did not win II, then I think Aras would lose here and be gone. I think Aras is in the F2 (in either Wick's or CO's spoilers) so he can't leave. Also, the spoiler is Danielle and Cirie are tied. Casaya finally has the opportunity to try to vote Terry out. Aras is finally in the position that he does not have to worry about the HI being played (how ironic indeed). Therefore, he pushes for a Terry vote. Cirie obliges but she doesn't really think it through. Danielle does and she knows (or is pretty dam sure)that Terry has the Hidden Idol. She knows she doesn't have the better relationship with Terry (as compared to Cirie who "seems" and "tries" to get along with everyone); so Danielle must assume she is going to get Terry's vote. So she votes for Cirie! Final vote 2 votes Terry (Cirie and Aras); one vote Danielle (terry) and one vote Cirie (Danielle) Terry uses the HI and it comes down to a tie. A revote either does not occur or it ends up in a tie--Aras voting for Cirie (as he thinks she will be harder to beat at F2) and Terry for Danielle. Then Danielle wins the fire building challenge or whatever and the three dominant players as to challenges and strategy imho are set up for final endurance challenge... See Velcrohead's post here about the strong triumvirate of D/A/T.
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04-16-06, 11:35 PM (EST)
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94. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
i thought the hidden immunity is only good until the final four? meaning, once you get to the final four, you couldnt use it anymore? just wondering.
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04-17-06, 01:34 AM (EST)
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95. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
Nope. The HII can be used through the F4, so it can carry you to F3
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04-17-06, 02:27 AM (EST)
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96. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
The use of the idol rules haven't been spelled out yet, with respect to a tie or tiebreaker, but this is one scenario where it does seem a tiebreaker could come into play after the idol is played.I think there would have to be a revote as with all ties, especially as two of the original votes went to someone now immune so the chances of the tie resolving by vote are quite good. In this case, only Terry and Aras would vote the second time. I agree that it's difficult (at this point of the game) to imagine Terry not voting against Aras at F4, in which case it's hard to imagine a Danielle and Cirie deadlock tie. It's always possible though that Aras and Terry cut a deal before the end. Terry still needs an ally and Aras is very vulnerable. They could conceivably make a "may the best man win at F3" deal. Terry would have nothing to lose by giving away one of his immunities at F4, in so far as neither will protect him at F3, but if he can trade a F2 promise by saving Aras at F4, that would be much better for him than letting the HII expire. Then say Aras honors a promise but Danielle wins F3 IC like Jenna Morasca ... or Aras breaks a promise to Terry.
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04-17-06, 01:07 PM (EST)
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97. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
I think Aras has the regular Ind. Immunity, not Terry...
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04-17-06, 04:04 PM (EST)
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99. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
Right, I'm going on the "inexactness" of CO spoiler on the no. of challenges Terry won...BR has also stated on various occasions that a reward challenge could be included in the no. by mistake (he does win the big family reward challenge--does he win the big reward to Panama Canal? is it one in the same? does he win the car and does the curse continue? F4 is the only time I think Terry will give away the HI but will it go to Aras? I think he would want to get him out and Danielle and Cirie have been saying and hilited in editing...see VS thread...they want Aras gone after Terry. I tried to think of a way there would be a tie at F4 without Terry or Aras being in the tie...and imho they both have to be immune IN THEIR OWN RIGHT for it to work. That is Terry has to finally use the HI--he keeps saying "it's good through F4" VS seems to think he does in fact use it then bc of all of these reminders; and Aras has to win II. Otherwise Terry or Aras would be gone. I think Danielle is being set up in editing to make a key decision correctly that helps her move on in the game. Cirie has not been shown lately talking about her own strategy (like Lydia in Guatemala--once the initial threat was over, she is not in trouble until there is no one left to boot) But saying all this, am using logic and that usually is not what actually happens with these yahoos
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04-18-06, 04:03 PM (EST)
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101. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
I tried to think of a way there would be a tie at F4 without Terry or Aras being in the tie...Bear in mind that C1 could be wrong about Danielle being the other person in the tie. This is what he said when he first posted about it: 12/13 I'm told that at the Final 4 Tribal Council, there is a voting stalemate; 2-2. To settle this, the 2 square off (Black girl vs. Blonde girl?) in that TC fire building challenge we've seen before -- first to have their fire burn through the string, wins. Loser walks.
Note he put a question mark, as if he were only speculating on which contestants were involved in the tie. But later there was this exchange:
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CO any chance your source may have mixed up Danielle with Sally?
----------------------------------------------------------------- Of course it's possible. But I'm gonna say not likely as my source specifically mentioned the name "Danielle" being in the F4, having the showcase showdown against Cirie of building fire, and eventually finishing 3rd. However, we do have the contrary spoilers that Danielle is not gone at F3 but gets to final 2. So maybe she is not the one who is in the F4 tie with Cirie either.
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04-18-06, 04:26 PM (EST)
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102. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-06 AT 04:29 PM (EST)BR, hasn't it been established though that both Aras and Terry make F3 in both CO's and Wickchix spoilers? So, I know I am ASSuming...but wouldn't it be mentioned if the other person in the F4 tiebreaker was a man? The only other woman it could be is Courtney. So my scenario would be the same except it's Courtney not Danielle. I just think Danielle is getting the better edit to get to end and she's being editing now to foreshadow a key decision to get her farther...I think this is it. In the CO spoiler it says they go 2-2 stalemate, so if this is correct, I guess Danielle convinces Aras to vote with her against Cirie as to not allow the HI to be used. He does, ironically, even tho she didn't care when his head was on the "auction" block Aras would still have II bc Terry no way passes up the opp to oust him then. I just think that the HI will be used and I don't see it happening before F4 bc of all the references Terry has made to "it's good through F4" It still could be that he ironically never uses it but I don't think with a F4 tie btw 2 women Terry can win the F4 regular II. The threat of the HI is enough to keep him safe at F4 without having the reg II necklace. I don't think he wins F3 II either as from editing I don't think Terry is getting a winner's or F2 edit. He'll end up like Rob C Kathy Lex and Rafe. I agree BR that some Reward Challenge wins could have been thrown in there by mistake.
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05-13-06, 08:06 AM (EST)
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108. "RE: FINAL 4 TIE" |
I can see Aras taking Terry to the Final 2. Aras would think that he would win BIG over Terry. Maybe in the end, Aras does get done in by his own ego. I think that it's possible that Terry could win over Aras.
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04-20-06, 05:18 PM (EST)
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104. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
This is one of my first posts so forgive me if I ramble or talk about something that someone else has already talked about. I was looking over chillone's "blonde" girl comments. Everyone, including me, thought Courtney would be the one to go last week because of it being the week for the "rasta girl". Sally was the one voted off, so I am thinking the person who gave the information may have had the girls mixed up in their mind. Courtney and Sally are definitely blonde and Danielle's hair has alot of blonde highlights. I am wondering if Danielle is the one to be voted off before the family visits and Courtney is the one to be exiled during the family visit. I know that chillone has stated that "Danielle" was mentioned as a F4 or F2 (I can't remember exactly) however, if they got the girls mixed up before maybe they are doing again. Courtney is more annoying, however the guys must understand that Danielle is a bigger threat. She is smarter, keeps her comments around camp to a minimum, unless she is confronted face to face, and I think she is more phyically threatening than Cerie or Courtney. Just wanted to know what anyone else thought.
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04-25-06, 10:54 PM (EST)
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105. "RE: The ChillOne's S12 Spoilers" |
Here're my thoughts on the final 4. Terry wins immunity, knowing that the HII can't be used beyond this point he makes a deal with the one person who might beat him in the final 3 challenge, Aras.
Terry will give him HII if he will promise to take him to final 2. If Terry wins he will take Aras. We know Terry will keep his word and Aras will see Terry as beatable because there are more Casayas on the jury.
They then split their votes for Cerie and Danielle, (it could be Courtney) to let them fight it out for the other final 3 spot. I just can't see anyone but Terry and Aras in the final 2. Have no idea who wins.
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