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"Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity""
Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-18-05, 07:18 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-18-05 AT 07:19 AM (EST)Yes, that's great spec! Sure sounds like it will be the family visit ep! Just had to interject some questions on some of the spoilers here....ToT noted that Jamie would be gone after giving up his place in line for the reward food, and that his brother received a ticket but then was told not to go. ToT also said that Judd would be gone after winning the family visit ep, first of all Judd can't be gone if he wins immunity that ep...but, there was also a spoiler that had a member of Gary's family going down for the family visit... So, perhaps the vidcaps, the editing, and the confessional analysis will help us sift through all of these!
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-18-05, 11:45 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
So Ep 11 next week...we know "Everything's Personal" is a line from Judd...not about the family visit...and from the Ep 12 title the family reward is at 6 with Gary and Judd, still there from the spoilers we have...Who don't we have a STRONG spoiler for on family visit...LYDIA I think Lydia may be gone next week She had a big boost for her in face time yesterday she even had a confessional...and Jamie just tore her a new one and made her look the villainess as much as Lydia could be... I think what might happen based on the CBSMisdirection quotes for Ep. 11 is that after JUDD wins IC Gary knowing that he is next goes to JUDD to save himself using the fact that the presumably F4 of Steph Rafe Lydia and Cindy did not tell him about the Jamie vote...and they start talking and Judd says he was surprised about Lydia voting for Jamie bc of the bond Judd thought they had and was probably told about ad nauseum by Jamie...so Gary hooks onto that and moves for a Lydia vote with Danni, Judd and Cindy? Cindy def. moves up if Lydia is gone.... Whaddya think?
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-18-05, 01:33 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
But, it is worth talking about, especially how strong is the Gary family spoiler visit. The initial spoiler said that Gary's family flew down to visit him. The big question mark this raises for me is that why would Gary have more than one family member while the others just had one? A key point, though, is that the spoiler mentions family flying down, but doesn't indicate that family got to see him. This could point to Gary being booted right before the family visit - which fits in with a tip to TDT. So it looks like Gary is toast this episode, if the family visit is in the next one.
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-18-05, 06:12 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
sorry Rosie I can't even remember what I have proposed in past weeks!!!I still think Lydia will be gone before Danni for sure at least Cindy now. Like Beebs said in VS's thread...her negativity went up for her so it's the beg. of the end for Lydia...but could she still go at F7 before Judd and Gary...see my other suggestion in the Misdirection thread about her being hesitant and Gary going to Judd who may be vulnerable also to oust Lydia at F7 (bc Steph finally wins a II) Beebs, do you know what, if anything was said about Lydia's family visit?
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Whole Lotta Rosie 104 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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11-18-05, 07:51 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
Emydi, no apologies needed. That wasnt sarcasm; I actually do see it as a possibility. As of right now there is no question that either Gary or Lydia go next week, if only because there are no other viable options. Judd is misdirection and every one else is safe.My concern is that Garys story may have been wrapped up a bit last episode and this is from the person who has been lauding Garys game play in VSs thread over the last few weeks. Id hate to be wrong. Lydia is such a non-entity, that she could go anytime and she has emerged a bit over the last few episodes and I agree it hasnt been positive. I know the boot lists all have her making the final four, but I am not sure. As far as I know this portion of the boot list are not based on spoiling, but on guesswork, but I dont follow the spoilers as much as I should, so I could be easily wrong. From the insider transcripts it has been suggested that Judd, Jamie, and Lydia had a potential final three pact. In the battle of good versus evil she is on the wrong side. Two weeks ago the dominant opinion was that this week would be the family visit and because Gary had a solid family visit spoiler Judd would be booted. Now that we know that the family visit is next week, everyone is backing of the Gary spoiler. Did the spoiler change? I am leaning towards a Gary boot this week, but it is still only a lean. I will also agree with you that Lydia does not make the final four. (We are now assured that Lydia is in the final four)
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-18-05, 06:30 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
Hey, sorry, it was late last night when I started this and I was tired, but to clarify:The "Price of Immunity" spec is not that Judd would get immunity. Judd is supposed to get the family visit. The immunity spec is that DANNI buys a "second" immunity in the auction, which would fulfill what ToT heard about Danni getting the "immunity envelope." The "envelope" idea was out there when the hidden idol was announced, and it was hard to get where an envelope might fit in--some thought it might be the clue that came with RC, but that wasn't an envelope. Now there is another POSSIBLE way that an immunity envelope could come into play. The original Gary visit spoiler is the only visit spoiler that doesn't say the family actually sees Gary. Thus it fits perfectly that Gary goes the night before the FV RC. I would be extremely surprised if Lydia is going anywhere. Phoenix and TDT have never wavered in placing Lydia at F4. The flipflopping concerns the respective positions of Jamie, Judd, Gary, and Danni only, as to how they fit into F8, F7, F6, and F2. And with the new TDT tip on the Gary non-visit, I think a Gary boot is a pretty sure thing this week. We now see in previews and the press release how Judd's self-destruction starts in Ep 11, where his flipping out and behavior will alienate his allies and cause Steph to cut her perfect F2 partner loose. I now think it will culminate in Ep 12, and Danni is going to squeak through to the F5 that way. Cindy is such a weak 5th, and as we now know Steph thinks Danni is an awesome person like herself , that Danni may not even need immunity to get to F4. Cindy and Lydia have already been singled out as undeserving of getting anywhere near F2: Steph agrees even though she doesn't want Gary to become another Tom Westman. The thing that interests me now is watching to see what Rafe does. I feel that the lap dog is controlling its owner. As is usually the case IRL!
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-18-05, 10:40 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
OFG what exactly was Lydia's family visit spoiler...just that her family visits?I remember there was some ? about what was known about Lydia's family visit? I agree, it's Gary in Ep. 11, but Lydia's story has started and I believe Cindy's is still the same, therefore, I am thinking Cindy is F4 and Lydia gets bumped to F5 w/Judd going at F6 after family visit in Ep. 12. Lydia may even be another boot possibility at F7 if Gary and Judd both don't have II and Steph does... Question, in F6 does Judd buy the family visit and take Steph and Cindy or do they all buy? If it's the former, then Steph must do something in Ep. 11 to get back into his good graces...vote Gary off when Judd and Gary are both vulnerable? And then does Danni also buys immunity at that auction in Ep 12? If so, that pushes her into F5 and she then may go on a Kelly W immunity run to get her to F2. It will be interesting if it's a F3 of Danni Steph and Rafe as I believe it will be, which one of the women wins the F3 immunity and ditches Rafe....as we all seem to be agreeing he ends up like Ian...
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-19-05, 06:29 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
>OFG what exactly was Lydia's family >visit spoiler...just that her family >visits?I remember there was some >? about what was known >about Lydia's family visit? emydi, I wish I could answer your questions better but here's what little I have gathered. I actually have not heard a lydia FV spoiler. It's more that Survivor Phoenix has her pegged as F4 and TDT has had her in that spot too. Tooth of Time has her F4 too. There are other tips out there besides family visits. I'm only privy to what gets posted so I suppose it's a question of belief that they have it right which you may not share. Phoenix is attaching numbers to the spots now. I think that's new. http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/S11/cast.htm > >I agree, it's Gary in Ep. >11, but Lydia's story has >started and I believe Cindy's >is still the same, therefore, >I am thinking Cindy is >F4 and Lydia gets bumped >to F5 w/Judd going at >F6 after family visit in >Ep. 12. I thought both Lydia and Cindy got some more story. I'm trying to think why I'm resistant to a Lydia boot and I suppose it's because there are 3 original Yaxha who became NuNakum left and I think they've been tight from the beginning. I think Rafe is close to Lydia, closer than to Cindy who is just not a people person. I really don't think anyone is buying into Gary's pitch of taking the threats to the end and calling them the deserving. Rafe would prefer to keep the nice people, and I think Lydia qualifies. At F4 you reach a stage where Lydia just has to go, but I think they believe they can boot her at will, whereas Gary or Judd may be able to screw up the Steph/Rafe/Lydia control by winning immunity or plotting. Lydia doesn't rock the boat and I just don't see any reason to boot her as she absolutely has the back of her alliance leaders and is playing a safe game like Jan in Thailand. It just doesn't seem like Lydia and Cindy are going to make any game moves. More like they are just going to hope for the best when they have gotten as far as the alliance they have will take them. It worked for KimJ in Africa. She stuck to her 3 allies even though she was at the bottom of the alliance and then ran two immunities. The strategy of doing nothing to shake things up got Jan to F3 in Thailand. It's not a winning strategy but it makes for a pretty good finish. > >Question, in F6 does Judd buy >the family visit and take >Steph and Cindy or do >they all buy? If >it's the former, then Steph >must do something in Ep. >11 to get back into >his good graces...vote Gary off >when Judd and Gary are >both vulnerable? That's a good point about why Steph and Judd would even go together and I don't know the answer of course, but here is the ToT spoiler (part of it, follow the link for all of it): Per ToothofTime, Judd wins the Family Reward when he can borrow enough money at the food auction to pay for it. He takes along Stephenie and Cindy. This is from JPGramma's excellent spoiler compilation thread at Sucks. She keeps the first post updated with the current spoilers which is handy if you don't have time to read the whole thread! http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=18585.topic The spoiler doesn't explain whether Judd takes Steph to try to patch things up or whether it's because he borrowed money to be able to bid and the people who loaned it to him get to share. > >And then does Danni also buys >immunity at that auction in >Ep 12? This is not definite but I believe it is ToT who says Danni will get an immunity envelope at some point. JPGramma put forward the spec that it would work well with the auction and the episode title. If so, >that pushes her into F5 >and she then may go >on a Kelly W immunity >run to get her to >F2. That could well happen, especially at F5. Or Steph can decide she really likes Danni better than Cindy. Or someone such as Steph may need to cut a deal with Danni because I think when push comes to shove that Rafe has Lydia and Cindy in his pocket. At some point Steph has got to be vulnerable to a vote, surely, and Danni is pretty much unaligned so they might make a deal. > >It will be interesting if it's >a F3 of Danni Steph >and Rafe as I believe >it will be, which one >of the women wins the >F3 immunity and ditches Rafe....as >we all seem to be >agreeing he ends up like >Ian... > I am still hoping that Rafe is in the F2 but that would only be if there was a massive conspiracy to fool everybody into thinking Danni gets to F2. So yeah, he must be F3 and will join Cesternino, Ian, and Kathy as my favorite players who lost out at F3. :sad I hope the links are helpful, emydi and everyone. I only found JPGramma's thread recently and it's been a most helpful way to keep track of spoilers posted at Sucks.
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Loquatrix 640 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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11-19-05, 04:21 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
I think Landon is Rafe's brother rather than his SO. There will be no hot guy on guy action among the ruins, I'm afraid.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-19-05, 05:56 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
ROFL Loquatrix! Let's not hate Steph for playing the game. Let's hate her for her narcissistic snotty delusional self! Remember though, it takes a lot of strength to tote around a super-sized ego. No wonder she's whiny; it's a tiring load. emydi, the thing about BB5 Will Fan's Gary spoiler that to me makes it not necessarily accurate about F5, is it comes through local hometown talk spread from Gary's family ... and not even directly from a family member. Family members aren't supposed to talk about what they know anyway, and in the past they have spread around some disinformation. Not that GARY would condone any inaccurate information about himself! I have more trust in tips that come from people involved in the production or through the Survivor contestant grapevine. Those are the tips that can't be identified on the net because people could get in trouble. I don't know what tips are out there about Lydia going to F4, but whatever they are the major bootlists are holding firm with her in that position . I think Lydia's story took a negative turn because that's the way she is playing. She's just along for the ride. She's not keeping any faith. Jamie was her friend. He saved her. She didn't give him a head's up even though everyone in the camp knew he really wanted to know when he was going. She promised Gary her loyalty and he helped save her, and where is her support now? I guess we'll see in Ep 11 as we know from the teaser Gary will approach her. Lydia is probably a nice person that everyone likes but her game is not very admirable and I think it was necessary for the editing to show her role in the Jamie boot. It was necessary to show that she lost her team the reward. To my mind, and I really don't pretend to be as good at reading editing as you are but this is what I go on: a pre-boot buildup for a UTR player (as opposed to necessary story-telling) usually involves gratuitous face time--stuff of borderline importance. In Gary's case, he has had so much face time because he is a major player, plus he was part of the trio enjoying the reward last time, that it was not necessary to give him any pre-boot filler. I think the same thing can be said of Judd and Jamie. When we see a segment devoted to Lydia or Cindy creating yet another camp game or perhaps making necklaces for everyone, I will worry about them. j/k
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-20-05, 07:01 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: outfrontgirl" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-20-05 AT 07:04 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 11-20-05 AT 07:02 PM (EST) Hi Tooth of Time! Welcome! Do you like to be called ToT or TOT for short? My spec and questions on these Steph betrayals we will see: I guess Jamie is the first one she really betrayed. That's one. Will Gary count as a betrayal? Did she promise more than we saw on that reward? Judd should make two. I wonder what it is that Lydia and Cindy expect from her. The editing has not shown Steph making one deal for the endgame so far. I wonder if she has cut multiple F2 deals or if she's playing it as a let's get to a certain point and then take care of yourself as best you can. I would think that she and Rafe have a F2 deal, having been allied since Day One, but we haven't seen anything spelling it out in words. ETA: My questions are just the things that puzzle me. I don't expect anyone to have the definite answers, but I'm sure there's some interesting spec to be done.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-21-05, 06:59 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: outfrontgirl" |
Welcome to Blows, ToT! We've been trying to follow your posts over here as well! Looks like you hit the jackpot! I get the impression that your source is somehow affiliated with Jamie. When you noted that Jamie would give up his place in line and take the worst food selection, he would then be out next. Well, as we know, he ended up winning immunity and he was indeed out next.With the info you have regarding Judd....he supposedly wins the family visit reward in somekind of auction, chooses Steph and Cindy to do it with him, and then he's out next....I'm assuming this to mean that if the Family Visit Reward is Ep 12, then Judd will be out at ep 12....or could it mean he'll be out at ep 13? Frankly, I can't wait for Lydia to get the boot, at least Judd is up front and out there. Lydia slides by show after show. I just know that she'll turn on Gary as well, after she pledged her loyalty in the beginning game. Thanks for coming here, don't be a stranger!
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Tooth Of Time 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-21-05, 01:42 PM (EST)
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21. "Flower Power" |
I am doing the best I can with the events that happened, not previously knowing firsthand. Communication's given to myself may not always be completely comprehended and perceived 100% When I gave little detailed information on SS, and they are not 100%. You get massacred. SS seem's to be slowly eradicating any one who might have spoilers. Thus you find me here. I was kindly invited over, where people are nice. (smile) The first spoiler I had in August was they will be filming in Panama again. I was almost eradicated with that one. I spoiled before the show started Jamie being a jerk/going to the end of the line event, Judd wins the Family Reward, Danni get's an immunity envelope and the Final Four. I was told it is an Food Auction/Twist/Family Reward. Judd borrows money from other Survivor's to win the Family visit. He will take Stephanie and Cindy. His wife, Stephanie's boyfriend, and Cindy's twin sister came. Will he win the Family Reward? Will he borrow money? <---too detailed for the SS Board. Will he take Cindy and Stephanie? I was told he gets voted out next. Now, next means what? That episode or the next week or the next? I really do not know? Let's wait and see if this does happen, if so. This I do know, he was not in the Final Four. FYI-I had tidbits of events told to me without knowing any contestants faces or names. A lot of information and an old worn out brain. I wish I had been here from the beginning. Tooth of Time (A proud Blows member)
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-21-05, 02:17 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Flower Power" |
I wish I had been here from the beginning. Tooth of Time (A proud Blows member)Right back attcha, ToT! We wish you had been here from the beginning too! and we are the proud ones to have you over here! While I lurk at Sucks, I don't post there. They just get SOOOOO off topic and it drives me crazy! And they go round and round over already solved problems....just seems to me that Blows cuts right to the core, while I will admit that SS is quite thorough...and there are some wonderful people over there! They certainly get a kick out of flaming... While I missed your post regarding the identification of Panama as the next site(congrats, btw!), I did follow the subsequent posts regarding the people and events of S11. When you noted so many of the details regarding Jamie and the food challenge that he gave up his position in line for the others, and then go, even when you were one week off, to me your source gained great credibility! It's quite obvious that you have a connection! Thanks so much for clarifying the subsequent info for us. It all fits, imo! With your info in hand, I'm speculating that the Family Reward challenge will indeed be in ep 12, "the Price of Immunity", the F6 position. If he wins the visit with his wife and gets to choose others to come along, than that sure sounds like a winner! Frankly, I'm looking forward to the wrath of Judd on his way out! In any event Judd will be gone either F6 or F5. I bet Danni could buy the mysterious envelope at the auction as well, and then that's her ticket to the F4! Thanks so much ToT! We are thrilled to have you here! Hope you'll stick around for a long time!
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-21-05, 02:28 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Flower Power" |
So if the auction is Ep 12 at F6 and Danni buys the immunity there...that gets her to F5 at least...does she pull a Kelly W then to F2? or until F3 then Steph wins and GASP takes Danni over Rafe??? it wouldn't surprise me...that would then be a 5-2 vote (in Danni's favor)AT BESTI wonder if she wins the F6 regular IC and uses the envelope at F5...to get to F4 with Steph Rafe and either Lydia/Cindy.. Bc if Danni uses the envelope in F6 and they go after Judd instead of Danni..then what makes them put Cindy or Lydia ahead of Danni at F5??? Either it's a Kelly W or Steph decides to make a deal with Danni bc she is a target at F5.
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Tooth Of Time 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-21-05, 02:28 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Flower Power" |
Thank you! I'll be here. TOT
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-26-05, 05:30 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: Flower Power" |
>.Some female got upset with Stephanie going on the Family Reward? She thought she should be going instead of Stephanie, I think?After last episode, Lydia seems to be THE candidate for getting upset, we would probably all agree, no? I believe guatemalan peckerwood posted that a woman is upset because she has not seen a family member in a long time. Now Wezzie has posted some info at Sucks that Lydia has close family in Puerto Rico. Seems reasonable that she doesn't get to see one or more of them often and maybe she sees someone brought from Puerto Rico right there in front of her? I can see how she would lose it at not being selected while Steph goes. The web teaser indicates that the Family members actually show as a surprise item and the bidding is not on a blind item that turns out to be family. Thus everyone will see what they are missing out on. btw, I sure didn't notice Steph/Gary/Danni/Judd telling the others about getting the videos from home. Does anyone remember them sharing that info? If they had, I would think Lydia would have mentioned it as a BIG thing that Steph got when they argued last week. The stupider the establishment is, the smarter the rebels become. Establishment stupidity is the greatest spur to creativity in evolutionary history ~ Robert Anton Wilson
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LookeeLoo 1169 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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11-21-05, 07:11 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
Just wanted to say Welcome TOT and I'm glad you are here too! I only lurk at SS myself. There are some great peeps there, but there is also a lot of unnecessary flaming and off topic stuff. This bunch is very friendly! Speaking of OT, there is an OT board here you may find fun. I don't get to it as much as I would like, but it's got something for everyone. I have a question on your info. As I understand it, you got the info from someone "in the know", versus yourself, hence the interpolation that is understandably not perfect, but full of detail. Do you still have access to that source and are they giving you updates? -Loo
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Georgianna 514 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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11-21-05, 09:51 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-21-05 AT 10:39 PM (EST) Months ago, this thread was begun by palpatine.
And the Spanish posts he offered refer to a phased cleanup: by indicating that the cleanup of a "village" (where an untidy 5 had been) began a week or so before the crew and cast of Survivor concluded filming. So, I wonder if the move back to the "old camp" (Yaxha) may have been at the request/demand of Guatemalan authorities who, for whatever reason, wished to begin the cleanup of the "ruins" prematurely (or at least in advance of the end of filming). So that, if the two bits of information are related to the same event, then the move should occur at, or shortly following, F5. And that, of course, would lend some credence to the other information contained in palpatine's post: Because the current Xhakum camp was formerly inhabited by a tribe (Nakum) headed by a woman named Margaret (or at least, she would have given everyone within sight and sound of it when she was in residence that impression ...) and perhaps (my limited exposure to the Spanish language pretty much ended with the demise of the Western) the confusion between the plural and the singular (noted in the thread by Brownroach) can be explained by VolcanicGlass's observation that "the two original messages in Spanish read as if they had been translated from another language by a non-Spanish speaking person." And all of that, of course, might lend even more credence to the second (August 5th) post's assertion that a woman named Lynda (Lydia) wins the whole darned thing! But, how would they (the original "spoilers") know who won? Well, they might if the events of the final TC made the winner's name abundantly clear. And Applejack has told us that the TC music of late seems to indicate that " ... this season will be a first-timer. It's not going to play out like any other season ever has before". So, perhaps, Lydia not only wins Guatemala but also wins in Guatemala. By acclamation ... And if she does, I sincerely hope that her first act following her victory is to spit in the eye of the strutting nincompoop who, while she was struggling in mud that came to Danni's scrawny mid-calf but well above her knees (those nifty little mechanisms that govern the expediency with which a human being strides forward), was yelling at the top of his lungs (as though he were driving cattle): "Move, Lydia! You've got to move, Lydia!" I swear, I thought that the cheap Clint Eastwood knockoff was going to crack a rawhide whip at any moment! There, I feel better ... Welcome, TOT. And thank you.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-22-05, 07:22 AM (EST)
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36. "Old Camp..." |
I am not sure when this happens, but there was something in the order of "having to go back to the OLD CAMP"Great, a new tidbit to speculate! Well, the "old camp" is the old Yaxha camp, as they are all still at the "old" Nakum/new Shakum camp. So, we saw them go to the old camp once to swim in the pool...could that have been it? Perhaps someone gets split off for coming in last in a challenge, as Janu was isolated last season. Or, when the family comes, perhaps Judd, Steph, and Cindy all go to spend the time at the Yaxha camp with their family members? Thankfully the Fishmonger with Big Hair comes in fourth...so much for the palantine spoiler...thank Gawd! I could definately see Lydia getting upset with Steph and Cindy being chosen to go on a family reward while she is denied...,but, I can not see Danni getting upset over it...after all, her family tape was of her DOG! So: Gary F7 Judd F6 Cindy F5 Lydia F4 Rafe F3 Steph F2 Danni F1
If Danni wins/buys the immunity envelope, she can use it when she perceives that it is needed. So if everyone is on board with a Judd boot in ep 12, then she can save it to use later...Now we can speculate as to when she's most likely to use it....if she has to use it before the F4, then it will be used in ep 13...just spec.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-22-05, 12:20 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Old Camp..." |
So, we saw them go to the old camp once to swim in the pool...could that have been it?It depends -- ToT says "having to go back to the old camp," which sounds mandatory for one or more of them. The pool party was a whim, and the Nakums did not actually set foot in the Yaxha camp. But maybe ToT can weigh in on whether the pool party might qualify for this spoiler. Bridge for sale to highest bidder. Call 1-800-BRroach.
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-22-05, 01:00 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Old Camp..." |
The pool was brought over to Xhakum after merger but they told us it couldn't be installed close to the beach since the water was too shallow and muddy. The pool is still there, they need to paddle to it but it isn't at the old camp.
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architecturegirl 227 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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11-22-05, 08:44 AM (EST)
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37. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
TOT - I was wondering, and perhaps I missed it, so forgive me if I did, but do you have information that Steph definitely makes it to the final two? Everyone seems to take this as gospel. Is it simply because that is how TDT and Phoenix have the order, or is it based on a specific spoiler? There was a posting long ago about opening credits spoilers. I'll probably bump it and comment on it because I think it would be helpful to re-assess it at this point in the game. I found the information in it very thorough and interesting. For one, it noted that the winner has never been shown swimming in their action shot. Based on a few things, I have a feeling that its Rafe with Danni in the final two, not Steph. I certainly could be wrong though, and if you have information to the contrary, then I'll concede its Steph - but I think the swimming shot would definitely rule out a Steph win!
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willinCal 193 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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11-22-05, 01:25 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
It'll be quite interesting to see how the rest of this season plays out. If the spoilers do fall into place, I predict a Danni win 5-2 with Rafe & Lydia voting for Steph.
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Georgianna 514 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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11-24-05, 02:09 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-25-05 AT 08:25 AM (EST) Happy Thanksgiving, TOT And youre most welcome. What initially prompted me to file the Palpatine post was its reference to an untidy five. I remember thinking (edited to retain a G Rating): Oh, great! What ecological, archeological, political or religious -- eviction-inducing embarrassment have we ugly Americans managed now!'
As visions of machete-scarred jungle parklands or graffiti-enhanced Maya carvings and other equally dismaying possibilities of blunder in the House of Pots (Nakum) or the Place of Blue-Green Water (Yaxhά) danced in my admittedly fanciful head. So I too cannot wait to see if/when the Old Camp happens. But I dont know whether to shiver or shudder in anticipation
But as to the differences between the remainder of the story told in the Spanish posts and the one told to you, I hope youll understand when I say that my preference for the first is the product of personal perversities and not the result of a disbelief of the second. To explain: At the beginning of the Season, my theory pared the number of contenders for Sole Survivor from 18 to 9: Gary, Brooke, Danni, Cindy, Brandon, Jamie, Brian, Stephenie and Morgan. However, because of my perverse insistence upon considering Cap/Aquarians a breed unto themselves and Lydia to be more the Aquarian than the Capricorn that her birthdate says that she is, I added a 10th: Lydia. The theory also forecast a Final Two composed of (one of) Gary, Brooke, Danni, Cindy (with a statistical advantage to the first two: no Cancer, despite the fact that 70% of those natives make it to F9, has ever won) and (one of) Brandon, Jamie, Brian, Stephenie, Morgan
and -- perversity again -- Lydia (despite the fact that only 3 of the 13 Cap/Aquarians who had previously played the Game had made the F9 and none had won it). And, to make a long story short, so far so good. At least, I dont know of any spoilers still out there who have either Judd or Rafe in the F2. But then there is my other perversity: I love anti-heroes. For instance, so long as they are armed only with guile, stealth and good old-fashioned avarice, I always root for the Robbers in a Cops and Robbers thriller. And it annoys me no end if some moralistic screenwriter/producer/director makes them give the money back in the end! And so, because I just know that Gary is going to give away the whole million if he wins and that Danni will probably use a good chunk of it to endow some Miss of Wherever scholarship fund, despite the fact that a part of me would love to see the theory vindicated in full by a Gary v Stephenie (the insensitive) or Lydia (the incapable) F2 I am down to a short list of suitable opponents for the last two: Cindy (the invisible). And I just dont think that the zookeeper is going to grow anti-heroic horns and hooves quickly enough to stay on the list
Note: And if that crew doesnt get rid of Rafe (he is the Capricorn, Gary is the Virgo/Leo) soon, they are going to mess up every
perverse
thing! So, thank you again for all of the wonderful information that youve brought us. It certainly has added spice to my Thanksgiving menu. And I'm grateful for it. Even if its right
Note: This post has been edited (several times) to clean up punctuation and to clarify/correct the reference to the Cap/Aquarian "record". Post in haste (because you're about to be late for Thanksgiving dinner) ...
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Surviette 124 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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11-22-05, 08:12 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
Well, she'll probably be in the running, so to speak !
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Georgianna 514 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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11-26-05, 09:56 AM (EST)
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54. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
Georgianna, could the locals have seen Lydia win a brand new vehicle? I didn't read the Spanish posts (not that I could) but if Lydia won something big, like a fancy car, someone may have thought she won "the whole darned thing"! Perhaps! But years ago, given a choice between the study of several vibrantly alive languages and Latin, I, of course, chose the moribund one
So, relying (like you) on the good graces of others for their translation
You know, there is (in addition to the Old Camp possibility) the other glaring similarity between the stories told within the Spanish posts and the stories told by TOTs source: both appear to have believed that they knew, not just the composition of the F2 but also the name (or description) of the winner, at the conclusion of filming. And that would have to mean (for either of the accounts to be a credible representation of what its purveyor believed to be fact) that the source was either, months ago, privy to a report of the count of the Final TC votes or to scenes/reports that, at least for them, made of that count a moot point. Say, for instance (as you have and remembering that the sites for Guatemala are located within parks readily accessible and navigable by automobile), privy to the sight/report of one or two (Reference: Pepes post below) Survivors tooling about in a shiny new car. But then, how would Lydia win a car? Well, (Again: see Pepes post below) there could be a twofer in store for us. Or, perhaps (given this Seasons long-standing -- and Editings recently exaggerated -- emphasis on culinary deprivation) the producers shook up the usual Challenge/Prize pairings by using the Gross Food ordeal to determine the cars winner. And we know that if Lydie will eat whatever god-awful concoction that she had in her thankless cup, Lydie will eat anything
And that brings to mind the Pots to Piss About contest: If you were Lydia, why on earth would you get even one answer
right! I mean, of all the times for her to decide to be good at something
! And that reminds me of the most depressing scene that I think Ive ever seen on the show: Lydia, post-defeat and excoriation, still carrying water at Stephenies command. Which in turn reminds me of TOTs source's belief/assertion that Stephenie is betrayed in the end. And that prompts the question: Assuming for the moment that the source did not have access to the Jurys written votes (or to a reliable report of its verdict), if Stephenie is one of the F2 then when did that ultimately-defeating betrayal (the one that led the source to believe that Danni wins the Game) occur if not
verbally and/or visually
at the Final TC? Throw in Jamies assertion (Reference: OFGs update of Pepe's Jeff Probst quotes ..." thread) that, as colorful exits go, we aint seen nothing yet, and I am back to Applejacks impression that like the TC music, this season will be a first-timer. It's not going to play out like any other season ever has before
the music is showing us that
And to the beginning of this post
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applejack93 288 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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11-22-05, 07:30 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
I'll just add my welcome to you as well (along with all the other peeps)!I lurk at sucks and I must say it's nice to have you here where we can get the information directly! You'll find that info is much easier to come across here, whereas on sucks I'm always sifting through pages of posts to find the relevant info. But that being said, sucks is perhaps THE best site for anybody who wants hardcore source spoiling in forum format! Thanks for letting us ask you questions, now I have a much firmer grasp on what you know - and I have to say what you learnt is VERY appealing. Make sure you hang around, ToT!
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-23-05, 03:57 AM (EST)
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48. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
Aw, thank you! LOL, no credit to me that it's a hot thread, credit to TOT. TOT, check your inbox ... it's at the top of the main "conferences" page that lists all the forums.I know this board is different to use from EZ. If you scroll down the conferences, you will find a HELP forum where all the technical questions get asked (and answered). btw, I am pretty suspicious of that Spanish language post. If VolcanicGlass says it sounds like someone wrote it in another language and ran it through a translator engine to make it seem Spanish--I take her word for it. It would be an easy hoax to do. I seem to remember a big debate about a name in the Amazon, supposedly from a local, that was massively unhelpful. Lydia is so not winning this season! I'm finally on board with a Danni win. It just mystifies me, the choices editors make. I figured Steph might be F2 from the beginning of the show, it was so much the Steph story. But they are really skimping with Danni. Why not let us in on her thoughts? I guess it's all in the name of a surprise at the end. They want to hide her.
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Tooth Of Time 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-23-05, 01:48 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Episode 12 Title: "Price for Immunity"" |
Yes, that is correct. My first conversations was mostly about Steph and B J coming back. I couldn't believe it. Also that Survivor would be returning to Panama for the third time and when they were leaving. I was told Step is in the final two and Danni. I was told who they thought would win and why. I then went out of the country for a while. ( I was in a Caribbean state of mind. Now what was that name again, I thought when I returned)Upon the return, I did indeed see a commercial for Survivor. There will be two surprises. I had another conversation. Keep in perception , Survivor was not airing yet. I then asked who the final four were. That is when I was told how to remember them, with descriptions. I had already forgotten Danni's name, at that time myself. I do not live and die for Survivor, I just have enjoyed it over the years. I then had another conversation with all the little detail stuff. Survivor was still not airing. I was told events by someone's memory process of recalling it. It had been months earlier to them. They remembered back on funny things to them personality (like the Jamie story) and other interesting highlights. When I was told a story, they would say, "didn't do them any good. They were voted out next" That is how people I come in contact with tell stories. I have had one more conversation also. I have tried to be honest and friendly. I have tried to share my information. I continue to be grilled and examined. Everyone just needs to watch the show. Do not take anything I have said to be spoilers, consider it made up.
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forehead 932 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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11-28-05, 01:55 PM (EST)
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56. "Hypotheses" |
First of all, TOT and HB, welcome to Blows.TOT, we always enjoy "meeting" posters who initially share their info with Sucks and then stop by here. (bianca being a great example last season.) Having said that, we also keep an open mind about every piece of info. TOT: "I have tried to be honest and friendly. I have tried to share my information. I continue to be grilled and examined. Everyone just needs to watch the show. Do not take anything I have said to be spoilers, consider it made up." We don't "grill", but we do "examine" info. (BR's post being a good example of that.) The issue with "info" is that info is often passed along more than once. Hence, it can be hard to assess if several steps back the info was based on the real deal, a hoax, or a combination. Note that I am not confusing the intentions of the messenger with the correctness of the info. Recently, ShadowGovernment (= Seraphaem) posted a picture of a magician at Sucks, which (if I remember correctly) prompted JPGramma to ask whether we needed to be worried. Just like with every spoiler, this means we should be careful, acknowledge the info, consider it, and save judgment for later. So, I think it is appropriate to at least consider the various possibilities (TOT = Sera, TOT is not Sera, TOT's info is based on Sera's work, TOT's info is not based on Sera's work, etc.) HB has a discussion going on here: http://p078.ezboard.com/fthehouseofbalzacciofrm17.showMessageRange?topicID=52.topic&start=1&stop=20 Note that Sera is not denying nor confirming anything. Indeed, I would not expect Sera to do either - as it can only add to his "work". TOT, I'm not pointing fingers here. I'm just considering hypotheses (in the scholarly sense). And some hypotheses remain untested. I just thought this board should be aware of the possibility that part of your info is based on a hoax (note I'm not saying it is). Lastly, let me copy a post by Seraphaem in the thread linked above: Start quote: "When establishing a base of trust in order to pull off a hoax, one must do huge amounts of research, with some additional help in the truth dept, then make contact a few weeks before going public ... this is called "the foundation" in which to build upon. The core of truth (i.e. Jamie making amends by handing over his food winnings to a lesser opponent, only to be cast aside the following week) works well, but the lies must be built around it for that satisfying "Oomph!" near the end. This is called the "crumble" of the structure. Sometimes, on rare occasion, things may backfire and the desired result may become null and void. This is called a "sway" where the structure has an unstable foundation, but corrects itself to the dismay of the architect who counted on its destruction. S." End quote forehead
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Tooth Of Time 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-28-05, 09:02 PM (EST)
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57. "RE: Hypotheses" |
Your little presumption that I am Sera, is as wrong as the way you spelt hypothesis. I am a female. ToT
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JazzyJax 531 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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11-28-05, 10:14 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: Hypotheses" |
Hi ToT - Forehead was being very polite and was very kind to explain things. You yourself have mentioned that you prefer a discussion board that analyzes things, but the hesitatant grammar usage in writing and flip flopping on names has a few of us curious enough to ask questions.And if you are so kind, here is another one: Would a gal from Texas, who writes like she "could" possibly be bilingual, be one of the original person(s) that had a hand in passing on the "Lydia" spanish-translation-spoiler? You have mentioned that you do not have a Survivor as a friend, or receive direct contact from a Survivor. Are you getting your info by email? This is what Forehead was trying to bring up, that people like Sera will feed people hoaxes for fun. Well, however it turns out, it has been great fun having you here! Please do not be upset because we like to think about things!
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Tooth Of Time 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-28-05, 11:21 PM (EST)
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60. "RE: Hypothesis" |
Really? TOT
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HaroldBalzaccio 30 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-28-05, 11:58 PM (EST)
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62. "RE: Hypothesis" |
"First of all, TOT and HB, welcome to Blows."Been here for a long time, forehead, though my profile may not reflect it. But thanks. Just so you know (and I know forehead does, he lurks at my board, so this is for the rest of you) I have nothing to do with whatever is going on with Sera or ToT. I merely promote discussion about spoilers (and hoaxes!) and host the occasional bit of entertainment. Oh, and cast out the demons of stupidity. You folks should see my work at the fantasysurvivor.net game. Good stuff. That was one hell of an exorcism. Anyway, just wanted to clear things up, but now I have to go back to connecting the dots in the SEG/money laundering scandal. Sad thing; the big daddy of reality shows being connected to a recently deceased coke trafficker. Such is business in Panama.
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Tooth Of Time 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-29-05, 00:05 AM (EST)
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63. "RE: Hypothesis" |
In the shadow, by the woods. I saw him....I saw him. ToT
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Tooth Of Time 26 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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11-29-05, 00:33 AM (EST)
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67. "RE: Hypothesis" |
Yes, but I borrowed a boat from a sailor; the net was broken on the rocks when we reached the shore. The monkey was silent also. ToT
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Seraphaem 66 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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11-29-05, 00:27 AM (EST)
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66. "RE: Hypotheses" |
Kingdom of the blind and all ...Cast away all doubt - search back to the beginning and see what gems Tooth has provided which have already come to pass, and those which might still yet be. "Each person who tries to see beyond his own time must face questions to which there cannot be absolute answers." Felecia - The Illustrated Man S.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-29-05, 02:28 AM (EST)
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70. "RE: Hypotheses, oh Wezzie" |
JJ, Are we talking about a hypothetical Wezzie, or is she actually here in this thread? The "having to go back to the old camp" spoiler from ToT is still intriguing me, don't know what to make of it though. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the Jamie restaurant scene and now the Danni and the immunity envelope and the Auction Family Visit coming to pass. Now if I had gotten terribly concerned I was being hoaxed I wouldn't have had so much fun. I only wish the F4 would be different. I don't wish for ToT to be wrong. I only wish the game would end differently. But I doubt it will.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-29-05, 11:58 AM (EST)
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73. "RE: Hypotheses, oh Wezzie" |
It's getting kind of late in the game for a spend a night alone punishment. With family visit coming, maybe the winners get to JonDalton it in the home camp ruins while the losers are sent to be miserable in the abandoned camp. A good division to shake things up and allow for greater shifty strategizing.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-29-05, 12:44 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: Hypotheses, oh Wezzie" |
It's getting kind of late in the game for a spend a night alone punishment. With family visit coming, maybe the winners get to JonDalton it in the home camp ruins while the losers are sent to be miserable in the abandoned camp. A good division to shake things up and allow for greater shifty strategizing.Yes or maybe the automobile winner gets to go with his choice of the others and go camp at the old camp site, in their new vehicle...
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-29-05, 05:09 PM (EST)
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77. "Agree" |
A scenario where Judd leaves next is easy to see. A scenario where Cindy follows him to LL is much harder to fathom, Steph would seem the more likely candidate.
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Surviette 124 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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11-29-05, 05:15 PM (EST)
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79. "RE: Agree" |
Steph could win immunity in Ep. 13 and she could be the swing vote between Danni/Lydia and Cindy/Rafe. Steph's biggest threat is Cindy bc she is strong and she is very tight with Rafe. It could happen!
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-29-05, 06:16 PM (EST)
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81. "RE: Hypothesis" |
Qui vivra verra.
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