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"Signs of Survival: Thread II"
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"Signs of Survival: Thread II" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-11-05 AT 08:42 AM (EST)
Previously on Signs of Survival The Prelude: Please suppose for a moment that I said that I have access to the results of the battery of 'psychological' tests administered to its contestants by Survivor Guatemala: The Maya Empire's producers as a critical component of their effort to control, manipulate and effect the content of their 'unscripted' theatrical product. What would you expect the practical spoiling value of those test results to be: how would we use them? Well, we don't have the results of those tests. But we do have the Survivor’s birthdates and thus their Sun Sign profiles. And my very rudimentary statistical analysis of those profiles vis-à-vis the show’s historic record would seem to identify patterns that we can learn to recognize and utilize to reliably predict (among other things) the 'flavor' of each new season, likely alliances, probable boot orders, editing emphases, etc. In other words: I think that the Board can use Sun Sign profiles in precisely the same manner as their 'psychological' counterparts are utilized by employers, clinicians, social groups of every stripe and by Survivor's producers: to analyze and predict individual personality traits, aptitudes, partnerships/frictions and success/failure rates within a specified environment or role. But, just how accurate are those profiles? And just how good at the task of efficiently and effectively interpreting them can we become? Good enough for it to be worth our effort (given the other spoiling tools at our disposal)? Good enough at it that, relying upon our analyses, eventually we'll be able to predict the F6, or F4, or F2 or Sole Survivor? At Episode 6, or 4, or 2 or 1? I don’t know. But we have a whole new season to find out!
Survivors By Their Signs: This post contains personality profiles for each of the twelve Sun Signs. And matches each of the Survivor Guatemala: The Maya Empire contestants with their own. It concludes with a note regarding my utilitarian division of the Signs.
Tribal Breakdown in Graphic Form by KObrien_fan: This post presents the classic (Earth, Fire, Water, Air) divisions and compatibilities of this season’s Survivors (as well as a review of several historic alliances) in a wonderfully concise and “colorful” format. Take note! KO concluded her post with this observation: “In the seasons that have had a swap of tribe members, only one winner has come from the ranks of those being involved in changing tribes. And that is Vecepia, the very crafty and serpent like Sagittarius”.
Sun, Moon, Personal Planets by Outfrontgirl: This post is another wonderfully concise classic look at the current Survivors (adding/interposing their Modes and offering a “quick and dirty” translation of the material for all of us non-astrologers). Take note! Her post concludes with these observations:
"Rafe and Lydia are both Capricorns with Scorpio moons, Mercury in Aquarius. However, Lydia has Venus and Mars in fire signs, much more energetic and a lot of optimism and spirit. Rafe has Venus and Mars in Aquarius, much more cerebral, less pushy. Both are forces to be reckoned with if they can rein in that Scorpio moon touchiness."
Reviews of historic Temper Tantrums and revenge-related Final Tribal Council Votes by Mockingbird: These two posts are a treasure trove of insight into the environmental (in extremis) behaviors of historic Survivors that are going to become increasingly important as this season’s “crises” multiply. Week 1 and Week 2 by KObrien_fan: These posts contain the Horoscopes that were/are relevant to each of the residents of Nakum and Yaxhá during days One through Fourteen. And they are intriguing and entertaining prospective/retrospective looks at the “fortunes” of our cast.
Cusps, Compatibility and Daily Horoscope Predictions by Outfrontgirl: These three delightfully informative (and graciously cautionary …  ) posts are a must read! Links to archival Outfrontgirl Astrology threads/commentaries:
Astrology for Bashers: Let it Begin (Africa on 9/26/01)
Chinese Astrology Bashing (Africa on 10/12/01)
BeMorons Tribe Astrology (Expanded) (Africa on 10/17/01)
Samegoofups Tribe Astrology (Expanded) (Africa on 10/17/01)
New Samburu Astrology Thread (Africa on 11/13/01)
New Boran Astrology Thread (Africa on 11/13/01)
Major Jivers Astrology Thread (Africa on 12/2/01)
Early Astro Report In Progress (Marquesas on 2/6/02)
Astrology of Jury and F2-S5 (Thailand)
Prelim Astro Assortment (Thailand on 8/15/02)
Last-Chance S5 Astro-analysis (Thailand on 12/14/02)
ASStroanalysis S8 (All Stars)
S9 Asstroanalysis pages (Vanuatu last updated in October, 2004)Note: If humility is good for the soul, then I am, after reading only a portion of these remarkable pieces by Outfontgirl and Kingfish’s and Rosie’s refreshingly pragmatic posts (below), well on the way to sainthood … Whole Lotta Rosie, Kingfish Here and Here Survivors By Their Seasons: This post contains, in addition to the information regarding this season’s contestants and our own DAW Dynasty cast that you will find in Next on Signs of Survival, a brief review of each of the historic Survivor casts vis á vis their Sun Signs and Final Tribal Council votes.
Survivors By Their Statistics: In the Beginning: The Numbers Side by Side| Ranked Number of US Births | Ranked Number of Survivors |
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| | | | August/Leo(359,417) | January/Capricorn(24) | | July/Cancer(357,669) | February/Aquarius(19) | | September/Virgo(348,814) | August/Leo(17) | | October/Libra(345,814) | November/Scorpio(17) | | May/Taurus(339,007) | May/Taurus(15) | | December/Sagittarius(334,256) | September/Virgo(15) | | March/Pisces(331,505) | December/Sagittarius(13) | | January/Capricorn(330,674) | April/Aries(13) | | June/Gemini(327,588) | June/Gemini(10) | | April/Aries(324,432) | July/Cancer(10) | | November/Scorpio(318,573) | March/Pisces(9) | | February/Aquarius(303,977) | October/Libra(6) |
As you can see by the data in the left column of the previous table, within the general population …
Superiors (the “natural leaders” born in January/Capricorn, July/Cancer, August/Leo and November/Scorpio),
Subordinates (the “natural moderators” born in March/Pisces, May/Taurus, June/Gemini, and September/Virgo)and Soloists (the “natural individualists” born in February/Aquarius, April/Aries, October/Libra and December/Sagittarius) … are very evenly distributed:
US POPULATION| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 34% | 33% | 33% | But, as you can see by the data in its right column, Survivor’s vetting process begins to distort that distribution: US POPULATION| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 34% | 33% | 33% | SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 40% | 30% | 30% | And the progression of the game alters that distribution even more dramatically: US POPULATION| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 34% | 33% | 33% | SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 40% | 30% | 30% | FINAL NINE SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 42% | 31% | 27% | FINAL FOUR/FINAL TWO SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 43%/45% | 32%/20% | 25%/35% | So that, by the time that the votes are finally read, Survivor vis-à-vis the general population looks like this: US POPULATION| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 34% | 33% | 33% | SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 40% | 30% | 30% | FINAL NINE SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 42% | 31% | 27% | FINAL FOUR/FINAL TWO SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 43%/45% | 32%/20% | 25%/35% | SOLE SURVIVORS| THE SUPERIORS | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SOLISTS |
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| 50% | 20% | 30% | And like this: US POPULATION| THE CARDINALS | THE MUTABLES | THE FIXED |
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| 34% | 33% | 33% | SURVIVORS| THE CARDINALS | THE MUTABLES | THE FIXED |
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| 32% | 27% | 41% | FINAL NINE SURVIVORS| THE CARDINALS | THE MUTABLES | THE FIXED |
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| 32% | 28% | 40% | FINAL FOUR/FINAL TWO SURVIVORS| THE CARDINALS | THE MUTABLES | THE FIXED |
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| 35%/45% | 30%/25% | 35%/30% | SOLE SURVIVORS| THE CARDINALS | THE MUTABLES | THE FIXED |
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| 35% | 30% | 35% |
And the individual Signs look like this:
CAPRICORN| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 24 | 13(54%) | 7(29%)/4(17%) | 2(8%) | AQUARIUS| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 19 | 9(47%) | 4(21%)/2(11%) | 1(5%) | SCORPIO| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 17 | 8(47%) | 4(24%)/1(6%) | 1(6%) | LEO| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 17 | 10(59%) | 4(24%)/3(18%) | 2(12%) | TAURUS| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 15 | 9(60%) | 2(13%)/0) | 0 | VIRGO| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 15 | 7(47%) | 4(27%)/2(13%) | 1(7%) | SAGITTARIUS| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 13 | 6(46%) | 1(8%)/1(8%) | 1(8%) | ARIES| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 13 | 7(54%) | 3(23%)/3(23%) | 1(8%) | CANCER| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 10 | 7(70%) | 2(20%)/1(10%) | 0 | GEMINI| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 10 | 7(70%) | 3(30%)/1(10%) | 0 | PISCES| SURVIVORS |
FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 9 | 5(55%) | 4(44%)/1(11% ) | 1(11%) | LIBRA| SURVIVORS | FINAL 9 | FINAL 4/FINAL 2 | SOLE SURVIVORS |
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| 6 | 2(33%) | 2(33%)/1(17%) | 0 | I’ve also spent some time looking at the ten Juries vis-à-vis the original cast compositions/splits: Superiors vs Subordinates vs Soloists. One of the interesting things that I’ve found is that within those seasonal mixes (Borneo, Marquesas, Amazon, Pearl Islands, All Stars and Vanuatu) that have begun with a two to one or greater ratio of Superiors/Soloists to Subordinates, the ultimate advantage is to the Soloists: a 58%/Soloists to 33%/Superiors to 8%/Subordinates split in the Final Two and a 50%/Soloists to 33%/Superiors to 17%/Subordinates split in Sole Survivors.
In those seasons, the softer, gentler touch of Leo leadership, the Soloists -- and a lone Virgo (Chris, in Survivor: Vanautu) --prevailed.
But in those seasons (Outback, Africa, Thailand and Palau) when the initial mix has produced a less than two to one ratio between the three (Superiors/Soloists to Subordinates), the advantage shifts to the Superiors: a 50%/Superiors to 37.5%/Subordinates to 12.5%/Soloists split in the Final Two and a 75%/Superiors to 25/%Subordinates to 0%/Soloists split in Sole Survivors. In those seasons, the assertive, up-front leadership style of two Capricorns and a Scorpio -- and a Piscean (Brian, in Survivor: Thailand) -- triumphed.
However, there is no historic Survivor model/mix (that I’ve been able to identify) that consistently predicts a statistical end-game advantage (Superiors vs Subordinates vs Soloists) for the Subordinates. But there is an interesting pattern:
In Thailand and Vanautu (the two seasons that produced Subordinate Sole Survivors) the mix of Superiors to Subordinates/Soloists was an identical 44% to 56%. And in Pearl Islands (where a Pisces and a Taurus finished third and fourth) that mix (Superiors to Subordinates/Soloists) was again 44% to 56%.
BORNEO (9 SUPERIORS, 1 SUBORDINATE, 6 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS |
SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 62.5% to 37.5% | 94% to 6% | 56% to 44% | OUTBACK (5 SUPERIORS, 5 SUBORDINATES, 6 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 62.5% to 37.5% | 69% to 31% | 31% to 69% | AFRICA (4 SUPERIORS, 7 SUBORDINATES, 5 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 69% to 31% | 56% to 44% | 25% to 75% | MARQUESAS (8 SUPERIORS, 4 SUBORDINATES, 4 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 75% to 25% | 75% to 25% | 50% to 50% | THAILAND (7 SUPERIORS, 6 SUBORDINATES, 3 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 81% to 19% | 62% to 38% | 44% to 56% | AMAZON (6 SUPERIORS, 4 SUBORDINATES, 6 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 62.5% to 37.5% | 75% to 25% | 38% to 62% | PEARL ISLANDS (7 SUPERIORS, 4 SUBORDINATES, 5 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 69% to 31% | 75% to 25% | 44% to 56% | ALL STARS (9 SUPERIORS, 3 SUBORDINATES, 6 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 67% to 33% | 83% to 17% | 50% to 50% | VANUATU (8 SUPERIORS, 3 SUBORDINATES, 7 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 61% to 39% | 83% to 17% | 44% to 56% | PALAU (5 SUPERIORS, 9 SUBORDINATES, 4 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 78% to 22% | 50% to 50% | 28% to 72% | GUATEMALA (9 SUPERIORS, 4 SUBORDINATES, 5 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS SUPERIORS |
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| 72% to 28% | 78% to 22% | 50% to 50% | Key
Gold: Superior Winner
Green: Subordinate Winner
Blue: Soloist Winner
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LAST EDITED ON 10-23-05 AT 12:27 PM (EST)Next on Signs of Survival The Daw Dynasty Marches On: Survivor Guatemala: The Daw Dynasty Superiors
Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Kingfish
Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … JazzyJax, PoppyLePew (Cancer/Leo)
Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … emydi, Scarlett O Hara, Redbeard
Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo … Forehead, Thaibeach, PippyLePew, Ayra Underfoot (Sagittarius/Capricorn) Subordinates
Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Alchemist, PenelopeLePew (Gemini/Cancer)
Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Jenna _ F
Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … LibraRising
Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Dreambeliever, Montanagirl, Margo Channing (Taurus/Gemini) Soloists
Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … CRyanShort, Tribe
Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Outfrontgirl
Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … Ohmyheck, Applejack, KObrien_fan, MattyMax, Whole Lotta Rosie, Coconut
Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Incognito9, Georgianna (Scorpio/Sagittarius), PepeLePew 13 (Scorpio/Sagittarius), Mockingbird (Sagittarius/Capricorn)
And The (New) Maya Empire Slips and Slides:
Survivor Guatemala: The Maya Empire
Superiors
Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Cindy, Danni
Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Gary (Leo/Virgo), Brooke (Voted Out)
Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Amy, Brianna (Voted Out)
Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo … Rafe, Lydia (Capricorn/Aquarius), Jim (Voted Out), Subordinates
Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Margaret (Voted Out)
Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … None
Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Judd
Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … BobbyJon, Blake (Voted Out), Soloists
Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Jamie, Brandon (Capricorn/Aquarius), Brian (Voted Out),
Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … None
Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … None
Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Stephenie, Morgan (Scorpio/Sagittarius)(Voted Out) At Yaxhá:
(SUPERIOR) AMY 11/2/65 FIXED WATER w/fire
SUN: SCORPIO -- MOON: AQUARIUS or PISCES
MERCURY: SCORPIO/SAG
VENUS: SAG
MARS: SAG
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(SUPERIOR) DANNI 7/13/75 CARDINAL WATER w/earth
SUN: CANCER -- MOON: VIRGO/LIBRA
MERCURY: CANCER
VENUS: VIRGO
MARS: TAURUS
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(SUPERIOR) GARY 8/21/58 FIXED FIRE w/earth
SUN: LEO -- MOON: SCORPIO/SAG
MERCURY: VIRGO
VENUS: LEO
MARS: TAURUS
__________________(SUBORDINATE) BOBBYJ 5/10/77 FIXED EARTH W/fire
SUN: TAURIS -- MOON: AQUARIUS/PISCES
MERCURY: TAURUS
VENUS: ARIES
MARS: ARIES
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(SOLOIST) BRANDON 1/22/83 FIXED AIR w/earth
SUN: AQUARIUS -- MOON: TAURUS
MERCURY: CAPRICORN
VENUS: AQUARIUS
MARS: PISCES
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At Nakum
(SUPERIOR) CINDY 6/28/74 CARDINAL WATER w/air
SUN: CANCER -- MOON: LIBRA/SCORPIO
MERCURY: CANCER
VENUS: GEMINI
MARS: LEO
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(SUPERIOR) LYDIA 1/19/63 CARDINAL EARTH w/water & fire
SUN: CAPRICORN -- MOON: SCORPIO
MERCURY: AQUARIUS
VENUS: SAG
MARS: LEO
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(SUPERIOR) RAFE 1/8/83 CARDINAL EARTH w/water & air
SUN: CAPRICORN -- MOON: SCORPIO
MERCURY: AQUARIUS
VENUS: AQUARIUS
MARS: AQUARIUS
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(SUBORDINATE) JUDD 9/13/70 MUTABLE EARTH w/water
SUN: VIRGO -- MOON: AQUARIUS/PISCES
MERCURY: VIRGO
VENUS: SCORPIO
MARS: VIRGO
________________ (SOLOIST) JAMIE 1/26/81 FIXED AIR w/more air!
SUN: AQUARIUS -- MOON: LIBRA
MERCURY: AQUARIUS
VENUS: CAPRICORN
MARS: AQUARIUS
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(SOLOIST) STEPHENIE 12/6/79 MUTABLE FIRE w/water & earth
SUN: SAG -- MOON: CANCER
MERCURY: SCORPIO
VENUS: CAPRICORN
MARS: VIRGO
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Gone CBSing
(SUPERIOR) BRIANNA 10/29/83 FIXED WATER w/fire & earth
SUN: SCORPIO -- MOON: LEO
MERCURY: SCORPIO
VENUS: VIRGO
MARS: VIRGO
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(SUPERIOR) BROOKE 7/30/79 FIXED FIRE w/air
SUN: LEO -- MOON: LIBRA
MERCURY: LEO
VENUS: CANCER/LEO
MARS: GEMINI
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(SUPERIOR) JIM 1/7/42 CARDINAL EARTH w/earth
SUN: CAPRICORN -- MOON: VIRGO
MERCURY: CAPRICORN
VENUS: AQUARIUS
MARS: ARIES
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(SOLOIST) MORGAN 11/24/ 83 MUTABLE FIRE
SUN: SAGITTARIUS
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(SOLOIST) BRIAN 2/10/83 FIXED AIR w/earth & water
SUN: AQUARIUS -- MOON: CAPRICORN/AQUARIUS
MERCURY: CAPRICORN
VENUS: PISCES
MARS: PISCES
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(SUBORDINATE) MARGARET 6/15/62 MUTABLE AIR w/water
SUN: GEMINI -- MOON: CANCER
MERCURY: GEMINI
VENUS: CANCER
MARS: TAURUS
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(SUBORDINATE) BLAKE 5/5/81 FIXED EARTH w/air
SUN: TAURUS -- MOON: GEMINI
MERCURY: TAURUS
VENUS: TAURUS
MARS: TAURUS
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Thank you again, OFG. And now, in the word of The First Aquarian: “Discuss”.
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LAST EDITED ON 10-13-05 AT 09:30 AM (EST)M, This group is baffling … But it could be “worse”. For instance, wouldn’t it be a kick (especially from our perspective), if, instead of the usual format (spiced with only one or two “switches” preceding the inevitable merge and the assumption of individual Challenges), we were treated to a season of serial tribal realignments (compulsory alliances) that ended with the F2 (the winning “tribe”) sitting in front of the Jury?
Now, that would be taking the game to a whole new level! Anyway, Before I talk about our multi-tasking Taureans (and I do want to talk about them!), I’d like to explain the post that will follow this one: I’m leaving Saturday morning for a week’s vacation. And I have, of course, not even begun to pack. So, this evening I’m going to bring over my work in progress: the individual profiles of the contestants that I began in Signs of Survival. And I hope that you, and everyone else who cares to, will fill in the “blanks” in my absence. Note that I’ve appended, not only the Probst review of the player, but also (courtesy of Brownroach), the comments of the Survivors who have cast votes against a tribemate this season as well.
I also hope that I will have to scroll a long way down a very full page when I get back to read the new material … Now about those piss and vinegar-filled Bulls: If you think of Survivor tribes as you would think of any small company/corporation, then these two Subordinates are, in this scene, reaffirming to each other their role/task (the one that they hope will, ultimately, carry the day this season) within the organization. And they define that role as winning Challenges. And they also formulate a plan to communicate both their loyalty and their suggestions (“tell Danni and Brandon”, my foot!) to the Superior and Soloist that they currently rely on for strategic direction.
But I think that that is about to change! Because I think that either one or both of them is about to be seduced by the stabilizing (less moody and gratingly aggressive) “leadership” of a Leo (buttressed by a Scorpio and a quick- witted Aquarian). Or one, or both, of them is about to be marooned with the Cancer when the Cap/Aquarian abandons the quartet.
In the first instance, Brandon goes. In the second, BobbyJon.
Shoot! I have to run! Over at Nakum? Rafe, Judd or Jamie (if Stephenie has learned the value of options) ... Your thoughts?
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5. "RE: Signs of Survival: Thread II" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-04-05 AT 08:22 AM (EST)Hello! Mockingbird Well, I’ve finished my float around the Caribbean and my first week back at work (from 85º to 45º is always a jolt!). And your post was a great welcome home present! The only thing I would change about it is the “maybe” … So, given that we’re now at the merge, I thought it might be a good time to begin to review what/who we (the contributors to Signs of Survival) have been “right” (and “wrong”) about thus far … Judd: He is in meltdown, isn’t he … And it is amazing, isn’t it, just how predictable that was: that one can look at nothing more than a birthdate (your observations/our discussion occurred well before the first Episode of Survivor Guatemala aired) and be (“confident”, if not “certain”) that the Virgo is going to have a difficult time in the impending crisis. And it is notable that you and I agree that Survivor is, for its participants, a crisis. It is also, I think, notable that OFG seconded what I had long thought: that the producers of the show cast it stereotypically. As she put it: “I totally agree that the casting picks EXAGERRATED TYPES rather than subtle types, which is why the astrology works. Type A in a stressful crisis situation, so pick any of the FAULTS of the sign and they will be expressed more strongly than in the average person”.
Seasonal Mixes/Definable Patterns: Also well before September 15th, I said that a comparison of this Season’s cast mix with those of the previous ten indicated that Guatemala most closely modeled Marquesas and All Stars and (splitting the difference) “predicted” a Final Nine that would look like this: Final Two: Soloist vs Leo or Cancer
Jury: 4/5 Superiors
Jury: 1/2 Subordinates
Jury: 1/2 Soloists And at Final 10, Guatemala (merged at 10) looks like this: 5 Superiors (Four Cardinal and One Fixed)
2 Subordinates (One Fixed and One Mutable)
3 Soloists (Two Fixed and One Mutable)
And at Final 10, All Stars (merged at 9) looked like this:
5 Superiors (Three Cardinal and Two Fixed)
3 Subordinates (Two Fixed and One Mutable)
2 Soloists (Two Fixed) Or, put another way: SIDE BY SIDE AT F10| ALL STARS | GUATEMALA |
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| | | | THE SUPERIORS | THE SUPERIORS | | *Leo/Amber | (Leo/Virgo)/Gary | | **(Sagittarius/Capricorn)/Rob M. | (Capricorn/Aquarius)/Lydia | | Capricorn/Kathy | Capricorn/Rafe | | ***Cancer/Jenna L. | Cancer/Cindy | | Scorpio/Tom | Cancer/Danni | | | | | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SUBORDINATES | | Virgo/Jerri | Virgo/Judd | | Taurus/Alicia | Taurus/Bobby Jon | | (Gemini/Cancer)/Lex | | | | | | THE SOLOISTS | THE SOLOISTS | | (Capricorn/Aquarius)/Shii Ann | (Capricorn/Aquarius)/Brandon | | ****Aquarius/Rupert | Aquarius/Jamie | | | Sagittarius/Stephenie | | | |
*Sole Survivor **Final Two ***Final Three ****Final Four
Voted out at F10 in All Stars: The Virgo, Jerri …So, it would seem that this Season that I (and, in another thread, KO) were as late as this month comparing to Marquesas (I used the word “startlingly” to describe the likeness) has evolved into one that is “startlingly” like All Stars. What a surprise! … I would point out, however, that Rob M is a Sagittarian/Capricorn (who, I’ve always thought, is far more the Sagittarian than the Capricorn) and KO, well before this Season’s premier, pointed out that the only Sole Survivor to have been “switched” during the course of the Game was the Sagittarian, Vecepia. Which brings me, of course, to … Gary (the Leo/Virgo) and Stephenie (the Sagittarian) And to these observations (all made here well before S11 began appearing before our eyes): Mockingbird (for the sake of clarity, I’ve rearranged the text of this snippet excerpted from your comprehensive post regarding the ‘tempers’ of Survivor): “Sagittarians tend to remain calm and rarely emotional which one might not expect-often using a Leo's temper to deflect yet say whats on THEIR mind--Colleen, Vee(using Sean), Julie(using Mia), Stephenie?. I find it interesting that, when the elements and lack of food bring out the REAL personalities of the players, it seems that earth signs become more emotional(for the most part) and the fire signs become more earthy(except some Leos). Most of the great fights or loss of control have been earth or Leo related” KO:
“Season 8 Tough to form real true alliances when everybody knows each other and everybody knows the flip flopping that the game has become. That being said, only one alliance started at the very beginning and made it through to the end. What started off as flirting between the very compatible sun signs of Leo and Sagittarius (Amber and Rob) quickly became the core of a strong team.” (Emphasis Added) Incognito 9 “I also suspected a Stephenie-Gary partnership in the horizon (Fire).” And “Brooke and Stephenie both advancing in a merge situation would be extremely interesting to watch. (Fire)” Note: I’ve included the last quote because I said (well before September 15th) that ‘Brooke might surprise us all’. But then, I didn’t know that the female Leo would wind up on the same tribe as the female Sagittarian (as I’m sure our critics would insist that I should have if there were “anything to Astrology” … ) And Three other quick quotes regarding Brooke's early departure: JAMIE (Votes Brooke): In all of your law classes, I'm surprised they didn't teach how to just be quiet and listen. You don't have to be the most intelligent person to talk; you kept trying to outdo Rafe and what he was talking about intelligent-wise. There's smart people everywhere. You picked a bad jury. I hope you do a better job next time when you're a real lawyer.
JUDD (Votes Brooke): Brooke, you need to be more aggressive.
STEPHENIE (Votes Brooke): You're a sweet girl, I wish I didn't have to do this, but it's part of my strategy to get me further in this game, and it's what I think will get Nakum a couple more immunity wins, hopefully. See you later. And I’ve included these last three to illustrate why I think that Stephenie’s campaign against “What’s her name?” was not as casual/random as its editing would have had us believe: she has a remarkable talent for spotting what she perceives to be her principal (virtually always, female) rival immediately upon her (or her) arrival in any ‘room'.
OMG! Look at the time! To be continued! Your thoughts? It really wouldn’t upset me too terribly if the scorecard was much longer when I get back this evening … G PS: Applejack, I really want to talk about your music (it fascinates me). But, while I like to think that I think at an acceptable speed, I have to face the fact that I write at a snail’s pace. So, I hope that you’ll see this and … please … be here for just a while longer.
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7. "Jury and F2" |
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How did the signs do?The bootee signs from merge on ... Aquarius -- Brandon
Taurus -- BJ
Aquarius -- Jamie
Leo -- Gary
Virgo -- Judd
Cancer -- Cindy
Capricorn -- Lydia
Capricorn -- Rafe F2
Sag -- Steph
Cancer -- Danni I'll let Georgianna analyze it by her system (which is really interesting but I am, I think, too old and set in my ways after 35 years of doing it by the traditional system).  What I notice here is a pattern of "demise of the fixed signs." The first four boots after merge were fixed signs. As were Blake, Brian and Amy, the last pre-merge boots. SEVEN fixed sign players bit the dust in a row. Prior to that, Margaret was Mutable, but Brooke and Brianna were Fixed. The season as a whole by traditional Modes:
Cardinal, Mutable, Fixed, Fixed, Mutable/Fixed (Double boot), Fixed, Fixed, Fixed, Fixed, Fixed, Fixed, Mutable, Cardinal, Cardinal, Cardinal. Cardinal/Mutable F2 Fixed signs are strong signs, but they are inherently resistant to change and they are not generally great at manipulating others. Adaptation is not their strong suit. Anyway, in this season the end game was absolutely dominated by the Cardinal signs, specifically the polar opposites Cancer and Capricorn, which scored FOUR spots in the final FIVE. The exception of course is Steph, who is the odd person out in this group, astrologically, except that she has Moon in Cancer, which would give her empathy with Cancerians Cindy and Danni. Steph was obviously in a special position as a returnee and someone thought to be the ideal F2 partner for that reason. Speaking of Moon signs, there was a strong predominance of Moon in water signs in the end group. Moon in water gives empathy and a strong feeling nature. Steph, Rafe, and Lydia have Moon in Cancer/Scorpio/Scorpio, respectively. Cindy's Moon is Scorpio or Libra. Judd is Pisces or Aquarius but given his affinity with alcoholic fluids I vote a watery Piscean moon for Judd. Danni's Moon is NOT water (Virgo or Libra) but her Cancerian sun gives her plenty of water. Overall, the Survivors this season were the leadership signs coupled with strong empathic components. As Georgianna has pointed out, this is hardly the first season where the Cardinal signs have ended up on top. In Survivor Borneo, the F3 were all Cardinal signs (Aries/Cancer/Capricorn). In the Outback, the F2 were Cardinal signs: Capricorn/Aries. In every season but one, however, if a Cardinal sign player got to F2 with a non-Cardinal opponent, he/she lost. Clay, Lil, RobM, and Twila. Only Tom Westman beat that pattern. It will be interesting to see if Danni can do it too. No Cancerian has ever won Survivor. OTOH, if your sign has never won, this could be a good thing. Amber and Tom Westman are the only "repeat" sign winners in ten seasons. Out of the 12 signs, in 10 seasons we have winners from 8 different signs. Only Capricorn and Leo have repeated. The signs yet to win are Cancer (KellyW), Gemini (Lex), and Libra (RobC). Maybe because in this game people are looking for strategies that resemble prior winners and take pre-emptive strikes? If Steph wins she'll be Sag #2 (Vee). If Danni wins she'll put Cancerians on the Sole Survivor map. 
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8. "RE: Jury and F2" |
OFG,
earlier this season In another one of Georgies threads we analyzed how the jury voted. As I remember-we specified if the jury members voted 'for' a winner of 'against' a loser. Most voted based on gameplay, likeability, etc. but a few voted out of revenge. Those few were predominantly FIXED signs. I wish I could find it because they were all listed and it took me a long time to do it-but that's how I remember it. Bodes well for Danni if I'm remembering correctly.
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12-11-05, 01:48 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Jury and F2" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-11-05 AT 01:50 PM (EST)Hello, you two! I knew I'd left this thread somewhere ... Here you go, Mockingbird: your analysis of the Tribal Council votes ... "G,
I've taken a look at which survivors hold a grudge at FINAL tribal council. Not as many as I would have thought-but with one startling find. I'll try to break this down. 10 seasons consisting of 7 voters each for final tribal council.
70 voters in total. 9 Taurian's
8 Leos
8 Capricorns
8 Aquarians -I didn't factor in "cusps" but Rudy is Aq/Cap
7 Scorpios
6 Gemini's
6 Cancer's
5 Sagittarian's
5 Virgo's
4 Piscean's
3 Arie's
1 Libra This translates into(by element)
Earth-22
Water-17
Fire-16
Air-15 And into(by quality) Fixed-32
Mutable-20
Cardinal-18 Now, a total of 15 survivors voted based on emotion/unforgiving rather than gameplay. 2 didn't give a damn(pick a number), and the rest were either gameplay votes or they're loyal buddy ie Paschal/Neleh-she made it to final two and it was a given vote-yet not a vote against Vecepia. Maybe we should call these 15 voters the 15 anti voters--they really voted against the other player. They break down like this: 3 Leos
2 Scorpios
2 Taureans
2 Aquarians
2 Geminis
2 Capricorns
1 Cancer
1 Aries(though I'm not quite sure on this one-did sarge really vote AGAINST Twila? or FOR Chris?). Some are fuzzy this way. I'm terrible with numbers, percentages, etc. but it looks like even though a minority of ALL the signs hold grudges, the fixed seem to have the highest percentage and the mutable have the lowest. I don't have the time to list them all, but examples of above are Sue voting against Kelly, Lex against Boston Rob, Ken against Brian, etc. Is this enough to mean anything? Maybe if the 2 leos and 2 aquarians make the jury in Guatemala we can predict the winner based on the chances of these individuals holding a grudge if they were deceived. If mutables make it-gameplay will be voted for rather than hurt feelings making a difference. I'm just not certain that this is enough to help. Also since more Leos and Taureans made the jury anyway-the chances of 2 or three of them holding a grudge explains why they have a higher percentage of "Antivotes". Let me know what you think when you get the chance, and any comments regarding my previous post about Virgos/Aries and earth/fire. I'm not familiar with the soloist/superior/subordinate breakdown that you use. Maybe it will help with this." I'll be back in a couple of hours or so. As usual, I've left too much to be said until it's almost too late to say it. Georgie
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10. "RE: Jury and F2" |
>>As usual, I've left too much to be said until it's almost too late to say it.
 Georgianna. I know the feeling.Very interesting, Mockingbird and thanks Georgi for finding that post! Of the Fixed signs on the jury, I believe that BJ will vote gameplay (which includes being honorable). Steph didn't owe him anything so there's no revenge vote potential. Gary, again he has no real revenge bone to pick, and he's a pro athlete, so I think he has to go with game play. Jamie the Aquarian is the one I'm interested to see. While he talks about game play and sports, I see him as someone who will take his own opinion and define game play however he wants to go. Judd, the Virgo: The most notable Virgo revenge vote has to be Jerri voting against Colby. Judd has Venus in Scorpio (Venus ruling in part his attitude toward attachments), which is a very possessive placement. Scorpio affections don't respond well when kicked to the curb (understatement!) Virgo is an analytical sign but I've noticed that Virgo natives with a strong Scorpio influence can be quite jealous and petty about it. It's almost as it the meek and mild Virgo isn't equipped to handle the Plutonic energies of Scorpio. Whatever anger we see from Judd I expect to see a Virgo/Scorpio meshing which could add up to scathing critique. I hope the Juddinator doesn't let us down in that regard as I want some entertainment! My question with Judd is how much he knew about Steph's part in his boot, whether he only learned the extent of it when he saw the show air. At the time I think his main blame would have been on Rafe, and the jurors are not supposed to discuss the game before voting. In that case he has only the reunion to unleash his contempt on the scumbags. The stupider the establishment is, the smarter the rebels become.
Establishment stupidity is the greatest spur to creativity in evolutionary history ~ Robert Anton Wilson
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12. "RE: Jury and F2" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-11-05 AT 08:33 PM (EST)OFG, Rather than rush to put in print a great many things that I will undoubtedly regret within five minutes of tonight's opening credits, I think that I'll confine myself (for now) to just the few choice opportunities to make an arse of myself that your post affords me ... Gary: I kept waiting for him to resume playing the Game as a Leo. Through the "switch" and through the "merge". Even though it became apparent, with his complicity/encouragement of Brian's banishment, that at the first blush of a competing authority that satisfied his Virgo sense of order (and Gary's sense of order is based upon a very stringent code of moral hygiene) he was from that point on increasingly content to assume the role of Danni's mentor and protector. And I have no doubt that that "virtuous" young woman will reward him tonight with the accolades, and credit, that he craves. Gary never needed the money. Nor did he need to win. But the Virgo did need the mission and the Leo needed the glory. And he got both without having to take a short dive off a tall bouy. Eat your heart out, Ian ... Judd and Jamie: I, like you, am looking forward to both performances. Historically, unlike Taurus (it would take a minor miracle, I think, for a Soloist to get Bobby Jon's endorsement), both signs are all over the place with their votes. But I think that if it is indeed a Stephenie/Danni F2 (Spoilers and the Editing notwithstanding, I just can't imagine the dynamics that would produce the combination!), then I think Judd goes Danni and Jamie goes Stephenie. And what is going to be interesting to watch is their discomfort at having to vote for either woman. Because, as evidenced by their comments below, there has been throughout the Game a certain meanness to both men's remarks when the person being booted was a female. But the man I really want to hear from (if he is indeed a Juror) is Rafe. I would dearly love to hear him explode in one of the towering rages that his friends say is a part of his character. Verbal assassination by an articulate practitioner is an artform I admire no end. Hence my lifelong hero-worship of Mr. Churchill ... And for what they're now (at this late hour) worth ...
Here is what Guatemala and its two closest models look(ed) like at F4:
SURVIORS AT F4| ALL STARS | GUATEMALA | MARQUESAS |
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| | | | | THE SUPERIORS | THE SUPERIORS | THE SUPERIORS | | 1. Leo/Amber | Cancer/Danni | 3. Capricorn/Kathy | | 2. (Sag/Cap)/Rob M. | (Cap/Aquarius)/Lydia| | | | 3. Cancer/Jenna | Capricorn/Rafe | | | | | | | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SUBORDINATES | | | | 4. Pisces/Paschal | | | | | | THE SOLOISTS | THE SOLOISTS | THE SOLOISTS | | 4. Aquarius/Rupert | Sagittarius/Stephenie | 1. Sagittarius/Vecepia | | | | 2. (Aquarius/Pisces)/Neleh | | | | | And here is what the three Juries look(ed) like at the same stage of the game: JURIES AT F4| ALL STARS | GUATEMALA | MARQUESAS |
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| | | | | THE SUPERIORS | THE SUPERIORS | THE SUPERIORS | | 8. Capricorn/Kathy | 7. (Leo/Virgo)/Gary| 7. Cancer/Tammy | | 5. Scorpio/Tom | 5. Cancer/Cindy| 5. (Leo/Virgo)/Sean | | | | | | | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SUBORDINATES | | 9. (Gemini/Cancer)/Lex | 9. Taurus/Bobby Jon | 9. Gemini/John | | 7. Taurus/Alicia | 6. Virgo/Judd | 8. (Pisces/Aries)/Zoe | | | | 6. (Gemini/Cancer)/Robert | | | | | | THE SOLOISTS | THE SOLOISTS | THE SOLOISTS | | 6. (Cap/Aquarius)/Shii Ann | 8. Aquarius/Jamie | | | | | | | And here are The Votes for Marquesas and All Stars: THE VOTE| ***SAGITTARIUS/VECEPIA | ****(AQUARIUS/PISCES)/NELEH |
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| | | | THE SUPERIORS | THE SUPERIORS | | Cancer/Tammy | **Capricorn/Kathy | | Leo/Sean | | | | | | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SUBORDINATES | | Gemini/John | *Pisces/Paschal | | Gemini/Robert | Pisces/Zoe | | | | | THE SOLOISTS | THE
SOLOISTS | | None | None | THE VOTE| ***LEO/AMBER | ****(SAGITTARIUS/CAPRICORN)/ROB M. |
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| | | | THE SUPERIORS | THE SUPERIORS | | Scorpio/Tom | **Cancer/Jenna L. | | | Capricorn/Kathy | | | | | THE SUBORDINATES | THE SUBORDINATES | | Gemini/Lex | | | *Taurus/Alicia | | | | | | THE SOLOISTS | THE SOLOISTS | | Aquarius/Shii Ann | *Aquarius/Rupert | And here are the collected "boot" quotes from each of our F9: The Final Four ________________
(SUPERIOR) DANNI 7/13/75 CARDINAL WATER w/earth
SUN: CANCER -- MOON: VIRGO/LIBRA
MERCURY: CANCER
VENUS: VIRGO
MARS: TAURUS
OFG
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Danni (Votes Jim): Man, why did ya have to go get yourself hurt? You're the wisest one of the bunch and you're one tough dude. If it wasn't for you, there's know way we'd be in the place we're at now, at our camp. Danni (Votes Blake): This is a really hard decision for me, you're a great guy, but I think there's so many things you've experienced that you've shared in life that others haven't had a chance yet, and that's why I want to give them the opportunity to play the game further. Danni (Votes Brian): I really wish you hadn’t given the immunity away because that would have made the decision a little bit easier. I think you’re an awesome guy. It’s very hard to write your name down. You’re a gentleman and your mom should be proud of you. Danni (Votes Amy): I wish we woulda met on Day 1 cause I'm sure things would have been much different, but I hope you'll forgive me, so I can still experience my first Red Sox game, and eat some of that famous Clam Chowder at Fenway Park...and ya gotta quit rootin' for the Patriots, you're killin' me. Danni (Votes Jamie): Jamie, you’re such a little peckerwood. It should be you going home tonight and not Brandon. Danni (Votes Stephenie): I know you'll forgive me for this tonight because you're in a safe position. Danni (Votes Jamie): Sorry once again, you old peckerhead, but since you didn’t get immunity, it makes you an easy target.
Danni (Votes Gary): I'm only writing your name down because you told me to if it was going to be a unanimous vote. You're not a liar, you're a man of your word, you're an awesome guy. I look up to you like a father figure, and I'm absolutely gonna miss you around camp for the next few days. Danni (Votes Judd): You always say we’re a bunch of squirrels trying to get a nut. Well, sorry I had to write your name down, but I don’t have an alliance and I had to do what I had to do today. Sorry. Danni (Votes Cindy): Cindy, the only reason I am writing your name down is that I gave my word to Rafe and I think he is the only person in the game that has not gone back in his word so far and I plan to keep it that way.
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(SUPERIOR) LYDIA 1/19/63 CARDINAL EARTH w/water & fire
SUN: CAPRICORN -- MOON: SCORPIO
MERCURY: AQUARIUS
VENUS: SAG
MARS: LEO
Rafe and Lydia are both Capricorns with Scorpio moons, Mercury in Aquarius. However, Lydia has Venus and Mars in fire signs, much more energetic and a lot of optimism and spirit.
OFG
________________ Lydia (Votes Morgan): This was not my choice. But now I know what you mean when you told me, “What would you do if you were placed in this position when someone had asked you?” Lydia (Votes Brianna): This is nothing personal but we need a strong tribe to win these challenges, and we’ll see you back home, homegirl. Lydia (Votes Brooke): You're a very sweet, wonderful person. I'm happy that I got an opportunity to meet you, but this is nothing personal. I'm just going with the tribe.
Lydia (Votes Margaret): What a wonderful person you are. I really enjoyed having a 1 to 1 talk with you, sharing recipes, sharing ideas, laughing. But you gotta remember this is the game and the tribe has spoken. Lydia (Votes Brandon): You’re a tough competitor and I’m very proud of the way you play this game. Good luck to you. You’re a great person. Lydia (Votes Bobby Jon): You're truly an inspiration to me, you're a hard worker, a kind young man who has a bright future, I've learned so much from you, I've enjoyed our talks, and you know I hope you'll go far in the future. You're a great man and I'm happy to have known you. Lydia (Votes Jamie): Wow, what an awesome young man you are. You’ve been a loyal friend, companion and protector since Day 1 in this game for me. Tonight’s a difficult night for me to do this. I just hope you realize that I cherish every moment that we spent together. In my eyes and my heart, you’re a champion. I’ll see ya on the outside. Lydia (Votes Gary): You've played this game very well, strategically and with great pride, but I didn't know you felt that way about me being a coattail-rider. I didn't like that comment. The tribe has spoken, so you gotta go.
Lydia (Votes Judd): You told me today that there was only one sure way to not be voted off, which was having an immunity necklace. But you also forgot, that there’s also an alliance, which I tried to form with you. But ah, I think you chose your own destiny. Lydia (Votes Cindy/”Lion face”): What a terrific person you are! But you are very fast, athletic, competitive and very intelligent and I am voting with the tribe.
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(SUPERIOR) RAFE 1/8/83 CARDINAL EARTH w/water & air
SUN: CAPRICORN -- MOON: SCORPIO
MERCURY: AQUARIUS
VENUS: AQUARIUS
MARS: AQUARIUS
Rafe and Lydia are both Capricorns with Scorpio moons, Mercury in Aquarius. Rafe has Venus and Mars in Aquarius, much more cerebral, less pushy. Both are forces to be reckoned with if they can rein in that Scorpio moon touchiness.
OFG
________________ Rafe (Votes Morgan): If someone told me on the first day that I would be voting for you now ???, I would have called them an absolute liar. You better believe that I’m going to win this thing for you. I love you. (Kisses the paper)
Rafe (Votes Brianna): You’re a wonderful person, but I think you and I both know that you’re ready to go home Rafe (Votes Brooke): Brooke, you're an awesome person, but this vote is for strategy tonight. If you go I have the chance to go a lot further. Sorry. Rafe (Votes Margaret): Margaret, you’re a strong intelligent woman and I’m sorry that you let your problems with Judd cripple you in this game. I hope you have the best of luck. Rafe (Votes Brandon): This isn’t a game of absolute right and absolute wrong. For me tonight this is the right decision. Rafe (Votes Bobby Jon): Bobby Jon you're a great guy, I wasn't expecting to make this vote tonight, but, um, that's what happens in this game - so good luck to you. Rafe (Votes Jamie): You asked me when I voted you out, to blindside you and to say a mean comment. Well, yes, you’re getting blindsided but I’m not going to take you up on the mean comment. I think you’re a great guy and I think you let this game kind of take you away from who you really are. I hope we’re friends when this is all over. Rafe (Votes Gary): Gary, I decided to vote you out tonight because I knew the information I was giving you was getting spread around. You proved it at Tribal Council. Rafe (Votes “Juddinator”): Judd, I’m pretty sure its one of us tonight. Um, I hope its you, but if its not then, good job. Rafe (Votes Cindy ): Cindy, I always knew you'd vote whichever way the wind was blowing. In a game where I'm the biggest threat, it's always blowing towards me. I have to vote you out. I love you though. ________________
(SOLOIST) STEPHENIE 12/6/79 MUTABLE FIRE w/water & earth
SUN: SAG -- MOON: CANCER
MERCURY: SCORPIO
VENUS: CAPRICORN
MARS: VIRGO
OFG
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Stephenie (Votes Morgan): Morgan, you did awesome out here girl. That’s nothing against you. It’s just all part of the game and I’m going with the numbers. It helps my strategy. See you on the outside.
Stephenie (Votes Brianna): Brianna, you are a sweet, genuine person and I’m so sorry that it’s your time to go. But I have to do what’s right for this tribe right now. We need to win immunities. I can’t be on a losing streak anymore. I really liked getting to know you and hope we can hang on the outside. See ya. Stephenie (Votes Brooke): You're a sweet girl, I wish I didn't have to do this, but it's part of my strategy to get me further in this game, and it's what I think will get Nakum a couple more immunity wins, hopefully. See you later.
Stephenie (Votes Margaret): Margaret, you’ve caused way too much tension especially with one of our strongest. Oh! And I didn’t like your comments about me making the same mistake that I made on Palau! I think you made a huge mistake! See you later.
Stephenie (Votes Brandon): Brandon, I respect you so much. You’re a great guy. You’re a threat though and you don’t play into my strategy so you need to go so I can get further in this game. Good job out there. Stephenie (Votes Bobby Jon): Um, I'm glad you made the jury; if you're the one that goes tonight, I'm just stickin' to our plan all along, and I could be wrong, but...If it's not you, congrats. Steph (Votes Jamie) – This is a really difficult vote for me. I’m sorry I have to vote for you but you kinda dug your own grave. You’ve been talking way too much and telling way too many lies and I just can’t trust an alliance with you. So I’m sorry but it’s time for you to go. Stephenie (Votes Gary): I'm sticking to my alliance. You're a great guy, you've played an awesome game, but you're way too much of a threat. If you stick around, I won't. See ya on the outside.
Stephenie (Votes Judd): I really did not want to do this but, ah, some conversations have come up that you were turning on our alliance and I’ve heard a number of things so I feel that I cant trust you and if I don’t get rid of you then I wont go to the end. I’m so sorry. I love you like a brother and I hope you will forgive me. Stephenie (Votes Cindy/ “Sad face”): Cindy, I tried so hard to stick to the plan but when we came back from the reward, they told me "No way", even if I didn't vote for you tonight, the other 3 would have and you were gone. So sorry, you are an amazing woman and I had an awesome time with you. You deserve the best always in life and can't wait to hang out with you after the game. Bye. The Jury
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(SUBORDINATE) BOBBYJ 5/10/77 FIXED EARTH W/fire
SUN: TAURIS -- MOON: AQUARIUS/PISCES
MERCURY: TAURUS
VENUS: ARIES
MARS: ARIES
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Bobby Jon (Votes Jim): Jim, you've got a lot of heart, a lot of character, and a ton of perseverance. You're more of what the world needs to be. Hope your arm gets better. Bobby Jon (Votes Blake): Blake, this is something I really didn't want to do. But, even with the way the votes are going tonight, you'd be going home anyway. So therefore, the only thing I can do, is stick with an alliance, so that's what you'd want me to do, and that's what I'd want you to do.
Bobby Jon (Votes Brian): Brian, you’re a great kid with a ton of heart. You’ve done a remarkable job. You should be proud of yourself. Bobby Jon (Votes Amy): You know Amy I don't know how much longer I'm gonna stay out here, I really don't, but I'mma tell you what, you're the strongest, most real person I've ever met...in my entire life...my entire life. I won't meet anyone more real than you, ever. Bobby Jon (Votes Jamie): You talk about having southern pride? Well part of having southern pride is being a southern gentleman, and you don’t have any class at all. Bobby Jon (Votes Stephenie): Once you started taking control of the game, you know...how long you gonna last, but...better now than never I guess.
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(SOLOIST) JAMIE 1/26/81 FIXED AIR w/more air!
SUN: AQUARIUS -- MOON: LIBRA
MERCURY: AQUARIUS
VENUS: CAPRICORN
MARS: AQUARIUS
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________________ Jamie (Votes Morgan): I told you I was going to do anything I could to save my girl Lydia. I’m sorry you couldn’t listen and vote for Brianna.
Jamie (Votes Brianna): Brianna, you fell off the net in the challenge. You leaned on the pole during the challenge. You were scared to pick up the ball in the challenge. I don’t think you’ve played a contact sport in your entire life. You’re a girly girl and you need to go back to the shopping mall and leave the jungle .Jamie (Votes Brooke): In all of your law classes, I'm surprised they didn't teach how to just be quiet and listen. You don't have to be the most intelligent person to talk; you kept trying to outdo Rafe and what he was talking about intelligent-wise. There's smart people everywhere. You picked a bad jury. I hope you do a better job next time when you're a real lawyer.
Jamie (Votes Margaret): Ever since the tribes switched over you have had your head down and you’re always depressed. We knew you came to try to get Nakum’s first tribe together and get rid of the old Yaxha. It’s not a team game. We’re trying to keep the best and get rid of the weak. You are the weakest link and it makes me so angry how you could – how you rode coattails when the other team’s better and then when you had to play underdog you just couldn’t handle it. You just gave up and died. You have no heart. So it’s the country boy writing the doctor’s prescription to get out of the jungle. Stay away from my tribe.
Jamie (Votes Brandon): I have the utmost respect for you. We bled together and we fought together. You’re going out as a threat and I know that means a lot to you because you’re not sticking around cause you’re weak and people are keeping you along. I’m sorry you had to go. Maybe if we had met together on one of the teams together, we could have been allies. You’re a good man and I wish you well with life.
Jamie (Votes Bobby Jon): I'm glad we made up before you left... (longer pause) Wow. Um....right now Alabama pulled ahead in the race. Sorry. Jamie (votes Gary): It’s easier to judge somebody than to understand them. I hated it when you judged me with Brandon, thinking he was a better person than me. I want you to know that I forgive you and know that we can be friends someday. It’s either you or me tonight, buddy. Take care.
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(SUPERIOR) GARY 8/21/58 FIXED FIRE w/earth
SUN: LEO -- MOON: SCORPIO/SAG
MERCURY: VIRGO
VENUS: LEO
MARS: TAURUS
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Gary (Votes Morgan): Morgan, you’re a great girl. I think you did great in the challenges. This is all about camp life. You’re not working and contributing to our team in the camp. Had to vote for somebody. Gary (Votes Brianna): Brianna, you’re a great young girl. I just don’t think this was your style of game. Best wishes. Gary (Votes Blake): Blake, one too many rich kid stories for me. I'm sure you'll turn out to be a great young man once you get rid of your wild side. I just hope you start treating women as equal, not as an object. Gary (Votes Brian): Brian, you’re a great kid. You’re going to be successful. But you’re way too smart. Good luck. Gary (Votes Amy): Amy, you're awesome, camp is just not gonna be the same without your smile and wit. God bless you. Gary (Votes Jamie): Jamie, I really think you’re a good guy down deep. My heart just says I have to vote for you tonight. I can’t vote for anybody else. I’ll help you out any way I can in the future. Take care. Gary (Votes Cindy): Cindy, I thought you blew it when you voted for Brandon. So, I gotta take a vote for him. Gary (Votes Jamie): You helped me out with your quick tongue, but I still think you’ve got a big heart and I’d want you on my team any day of the year. Gary (Votes Cindy): Cindy, I thought I was pretty nice to ya, but then you attacked me like a wild dog with rabies.
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(SUBORDINATE) JUDD 9/13/70 MUTABLE EARTH w/water
SUN: VIRGO -- MOON: AQUARIUS/PISCES
MERCURY: VIRGO
VENUS: SCORPIO
MARS: VIRGO
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________________ Judd (Votes Jim): Jim, you're one of the toughest dudes I met.
Judd (Votes Brooke): Brooke, you need to be more aggressive.
Judd (Votes Margaret): Hey Margaret, if you leave this jungle now, it’s not soon enough, man. Get out NOW! Judd (Votes Brandon): Man, unfortunately this is a numbers game, but you’re a hell of a dude and I’m glad I got the pleasure to meet you, buddy. Take care. Good luck. Judd (Votes Bobby Jon): Bobby Jon, man, I love ya, kid I didn't want to do this, man, but I gotta stick to, my alliance I am with the six. I love ya, kid.
Judd (Votes Jamie): Thanks for sharing this experience with me, buddy. I mean, I gotta let you go – I don’t want to but I’ve got to save my own #####, buddy. Thanks for everything - God bless ya. Judd (Votes Gary): Hey, Gary, you been running around the jungle for 2 days, man, like a squirrel trying to get a damn nut. Do me a favor - get the hell outta here. Judd (Votes “Lidia”): Hey Lydia, you sang, and you danced your way right out of the jungle. Adios. ________________
(SUPERIOR) CINDY 6/28/74 CARDINAL WATER w/air
SUN: CANCER -- MOON: LIBRA/SCORPIO
MERCURY: CANCER
VENUS: GEMINI
MARS: LEO
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Cindy (Votes Jim): Tonight my vote's for Jim, we kinda talked about this before. We left to come here tonight, and we all understand why. I just hope that you get better so you can enjoy all the adventures that life has in store for you. Get better, and thanks for leading us in the jungle. CINDY (Votes Lydia): This has nothing to do with the kind of person you are, because I've already told you that you were a survivor before you started this game. You're an inspiration to me in everything I do because of who you are. It has nothing to do with you, it just has to do with tribal ties that happened before I got to know you. Good luck.
Cindy (Votes Margaret): My vote’s for a tough lady with a soft heart. Thanks for caring, playing the game, listening, and knowing all the differences. Thanks a lot. Good luck. Cindy (Votes Brandon): I think you said it best when you said you hadn’t changed much in this game, probably because you really don’t need to. You’re a great guy the way you are and I hope you have a really great future. Nice to know you.
Cindy (Votes Bobby Jon): This vote's...it's all about the strategy, Gary find the immunity idol, so I guess that's just the way... *laughs* the way things fell tonight, so...real sorry about it, but it's been awesome playin' the game with ya. Cindy (Votes Jamie): I’d like to say your mom’s a lucky lady, she’s got a son like you. With your twin brother, if he’s anything like you, she’s double lucky. Hope you get to see her soon and see her more often.
Cindy (Votes Gary): To say that anyone doesn't deserve to be in this game is not a very good way to play this game. Everybody deserves to be here, and I'm definitely one of them. To say that you haven't lied when you say, "Let's 4 get together and have an alliance," and then 2 other people come along and 2 leave the group, and now you want an alliance with them, and then 2 more people come along and suddenly you want an alliance with them - you're lying to someone. That's why I'm still here and you're not. Cindy (Votes Lydia): Lydia, being who you are makes you a threat in this game. People love you and you are so dang smiley. Like your recipes, you always bring a smile to my face and I’ll never forget any of ‘em. Thanks a lot. Cindy (Votes Rafe): My best pal in the game has become my biggest rival. You are just a tough competitor and rocks the competition and do well and dang it, people just like you. So you are a complete package when it comes to threats. 
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LAST EDITED ON 12-11-05 AT 07:29 PM (EST)I had promised to put up some Chinese horoscope interpretation. I believe the Chinese year sign is very telling of a person's personality, and if you read below I think you'll find some stuff on the players that is right on and helpful in giving insight into their behavior. Sorry I didn't get to it earlier, mostly because the book I love, by Theodora Lau, is not on-line and I had to type in the relevant passages. I couldn't find any on-line stuff I wanted to use. For the overview, this season, in order of number cast of any one sign (below the overview, readings on F3 and jurors): DOG: Brandon, Brian, Gary, Judd, Rafe. Out of 12 possible signs, with 18 players, odds are 1.5 will be the same sign, but EPM cast 5 Dogs. And look at what strong players they were! TIGER: Cindy, Lydia, Margaret Passionate, rash, volatile sign. At some point, each of them lost a hold of their emotions. Must speak their mind, which really was Margaret's undoing. SNAKE/SERPENT: Amy, Bobby Jon, Jim Tough characters. See BJ under jury.
Amy, Scorpio snake: skeptical, skeptical.
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Whatever arouses her curiosity will be examined with no costs spared. Honestly she cares little about idle gossip, but it is worth remembering that she is not to be taken lightly, for hell hath no fury like a Scorpion Snake scorned! LOL. PIG/BOAR: Brianna, Morgan Apparently the good-natured sign of the Boar didn't have what it took this season. SHEEP/GOAT: Stephenie, Brooke I laughed every time I heard Steph called the goat this season. Sheep/goats like to be led. Decision-making is not their forte. Brooke, she was led to the slaughter. For Steph, see below. RABBIT/CAT: Danni Read below. The Rabbit is a well-liked Survivor par excellence, one who avoids confrontation and uses charm and good manners to get ahead. ROOSTER: Blake The Rooster has a tendency to brag and crow. The Taurus Rooster excels at physical endurance and beating fatigue. Keeping in mind that Blake got clobbered by those thorns and was laid low, he sure pulled it together when needed to tough out the challenges. MONKEY: Jamie
(see under jury) Not cast this season: Dragon, Horse, Rat, Ox _____________________ THE FINAL THREE (i.e the best players of the season): RAFE: Capricorn Dog Dogs are generally honest, straightforward, loyal, and have a passion for justice and fair play. The Dog person sometimes sticks to the object of affection no matter how unworthy and despite the object's feet of clay. Dogs are thought of as cynical despite their loyal and honest temperaments. The older they get, the more disillusioned (Judd, Gary). The Dog will be found pitting his strength against the forces of evil. Dogs divide people into the good guys and the bad guys. You are friend or foe, no shades of gray. His decision to trust you is often a final one. If he suspects you, you can be sure he will be watching you from the corner of his eye. Tolerant of and acquiescent to his friends, he can be critical of and emotionally cold to people he dislikes. Practical, fearless, and the owner of one very sharp tongue, the Dog is ultrarealistic and outspoken. He will make a good judge as he speares no one, not even himself, in the final analysis. The Dog is never without resources, and when when he does not have direct power, he will wield influence on important or decision-making people through his sound advice and remarkable insight. People do lend them their ears. The Dog is first to see the perils of being at the top of the power game and is often criticized for his lack of desire for fame and authority. He keeps his aspirations to himself. The Dog can suffer much hardship without complaining. The Dog does not trust easily, but once you have gained his allegiance he will place complete faith in you. Many saints and martys were born under the sign of the Dog. Capricorn Dog
Dog is a lover of all humanity, but the Mountain Goat (Cap) should be able to assist him to watch out for himself, too. This person looks after his own interests without appearing selfish or greedy. With the Dog's reason and fairness, Capricorn is less stubborn. Above all, this person is true to himself. When faced with having the state his mind on a controversial issue, you can be sure he would prefer to be more accurate than kind. STEPH: Sagittarian Sheep Direct and honest (Sag), she is still likely to shun irksome details or dirty work (Sheep). This sort of person is more athletic than emotional. Confident in her powers, she will be more outspoken than other Sheep. Earth element Sheep:
this particular Sheep is also prone to being neurotic and ultradefensive when criticized. Sheep are great complainers. Sheep dislike conflict and confrontation. The Sheep craves love, attention, and approval. Moods are governed by surroundings. Sheep really like to be comfortable and provided for. Sheep are rather dreamy types who like to find someone more practical to take of them. Good things come to Sheep naturally. Needs strong and loyal people to lean on. The Sheep girl will openly show her favoritism and will consort day in and day out with those she dubs her special people. If she doesn't love, you, don't complain. At least she will ignore you without trying to reform you. The Sheep has the begiling knack of turning her very weakness into strength. She knows how to get what she wants by insinuations and subtle hints. (Note that a Sag is never known for being subtle, so you have to figure that in and balance out the influences in Steph. For a Sag she is really good at getting what she wants by getting people to take pity on her.) The Sheep will come up with preposterous requests, and when you are about the smack her down with a resounding NO! you notice that slightly quivering lip and feel terrible, eventually giving in, never clear on why or how such a harmless-looking vulnerable creature could do you in. Don't ever underestimate her. Her whimpering ways have proven effective in wearing down the strongest defenses. Can plead her case convincingly with unfeigned emotions. DANNI: Cancerian Rabbit/Cat (Wood element) Rabbit symbolizes graciousness, good manners, sound counsel, kindness. Her soft speech and graceful and nimble ways embody all the desirable traits of a successful diplomat of a season politician. But also inclined to be moody. Her "rather switch than fight" technique can be deceiving and she can be diabolically cunning when she puts her mind to it. While the Rabbit is tender and obliging to loved ones, she can be ruthless in her dealings with outsiders. She sincerely believes it costs people nothing to be nice to each other and she will always make an effort to be civil, even to her worst enemy. She abhors brawling and any sort of overt animosity. Although the Rabbit may appear quiet and docile, this person possesses a strong will and an almost narcissistic self-assurance. She pursues her objectives with methodical precision but always in an inobtrusive manner. She won't make waves. The special trait making the Rabbit a formidable negotiator is her inscrutability. It is difficult ever to assess her thoughts correctly... Her beliefs are known to be flexible, and she has the knack of playing both sides for insurance. Unlike other signs who may pursue lofty ideals, the Rabbit's main objective in life is simply self-preservation. There is no great inner struggle in the Rabbit's heart between the forces of good and evil. She believes in her own ability to survive, relies on her own judgment, and is at peace with herself. The Cancerian Rabbit is shyer and more emotional, and likes to carefully assess situations from a vantage point located a safe distance from trouble. Other jurors: BOBBY JON
Taurean Snake: "Could surpass us all for tenacity and durability... both feet planted solidly in the ground. never plagued by doubts or fears. He believes in his own abilities and sails assiduously towards his destiny. He rarely has any regrets about his courses of action." Jamie: Aquarius Monkey
The Monkey is an intelligent strategist who always has a plan, more like several plans. (In Jamie's case, he spent way too much time thinking in the jungle and it got him.) On the negative side, the Monkey has an inborn superiority complex. He doesn't have enough respect for others, or rather he has too much for himself. There is a jealous streak that surfaces when someone else gets a promotion. He is extremely competitive. He honestly believes there isn't anyone else who can top his act.
(this is verbatim from the book:
He is certainly a big asset to have on your team. But first make sure that he is 100 percent on your side. There are bound to be some mercenary Monkeys in the tribe. Aquarian Monkey:
A spicy character never at a loss for words. A streak of willfulness and impertinence, so don't expect this person to fall obediently in line. Gary: Leo Dog
See Rafe for general Dog qualities.
With the Lion meeting the Dog, this person will possess a strong moral fiber and is very sure of himself. Possesses a safer and saner judgment than most. He hates injustice. This person is not naive about the high cost of success. Judd: Virgo Dog
Again, see the Rafe paragraph. Too many Dogs after one BONE!
A worrier. It's hard to wholly account for Judd as seen on the show by astrology. He seemed to lose it a little, maybe because of the howler monkeys. On the plus side, Judd showed the doglike loyalty. He also divided people into good and bad (Margaret bad). And he barked, man did he bark, man. Cindy: Cancerian Tiger
The Tiger is a sincere, rash, fierce, quick-tempered and affectionate sign. (as you can see, contradictions). Has difficulty trusting others and quelling her emotions. Must speak mind when upset! Never half hearted in endeavors, will always give 100%. At her best, warm and sensitive. At her worst, obstinate unreasonable and selfish. Very intense. An offbeat Cancer, full of feline surprises. A romantic. Generally kind-hearted, lively and optimistic. I think Cindy did well until she let the outspoken part of the Tiger nature be her undoing. LYDIA: Capricorn Tiger
Very strong sign, fearless, entertaining, and passionate. "must speak her mind when upset." Tendency towards dejection when stressed, but always comes back. Knowing that Lydia is a Tiger, I know that her low key behavior in the game was not her true self, although her cheerleading personality is Tigeresque. Her outburst against Steph hogging the rewards was the one time we saw her intense Tiger personality burst the bounds that her Capricorn personality imposed in the name of strategy. The Capricorn Tiger is a dutiful Tiger who won't mind hardships or menial tasks if they develop her abilities.
_____________________ And there you have it, in the TOUGHEST SURVIVOR EVER-- after the male Dogs and the female Tigers were done, after the clever Snakes, Rooster, and Monkey were outlasted if not outwitted, the essentially non-leader signs of Sheep/Goat and the Rabbit/Cat were still standing. If the goat is sacrificed and the Cat lands on its feet, that will be fun. But who knows? Miss Sheep (the Queen of whiners in this case) is quite good at getting people to give her what she wants. We'll see.
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14. "RE: Jury and F2" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-06 AT 09:02 AM (EST)
I'll let Georgianna analyze it by her system (which is really interesting but I am, I think, too old and set in my ways after 35 years of doing it by the traditional system).  | Hi (again)!, OFG Some time ago (at the beginning of this thread, in fact) I began what I had intended to be a mid-season review of Guatemala vis à vis the reliability of the ‘system’ as a spoiling mechanism. And never finished it. But, some time ago, I did manage to finish a review of the reasons that prompted its formation : specifically for my division of the Sun Signs into three nontraditional groups. In fact, that post was also written in response to another of your thought-provoking messages. |
So, on the off-chance that insomnia is rampant among us, rather than reinvent that wheel, I’ll just link it here. And add these two thoughts: (1) The Superiors/Subordinates/Soloists division of the Signs doesn’t challenge or change traditional Astrological tenets or analyses. It is, rather, dependent upon them for the enhancements and interpretations of personality profiles that, present, will make or, absent, will break the ‘system’ as a Board staple. So, one of the first links to appear in the Exile Island installment of Signs … will be the one to Astroanalysis: playing this room ain’t no cakewalk ! (2) I’ve never really been happy with the labels that I’ve affixed to the divisions. Or with the definitions of them that I’ve offered. So, I’ll offer yet another (with which I am still not particularly enamored) … I think of Superiors (Cancer, Capricorn, Leo and Scorpio) as any and every society’s Providers: those persons who, motivated principally by their inherent compulsion to the pursuit of recognition/acclaim in return for effort, are most likely to envision and erect its structures.
Of Subordinates (Gemini, Pisces, Virgo and Taurus) as any and every society’s Producers: those persons who, motivated principally by their inherent compulsion to the pursuit of reward/advancement in return for effort, are most likely to people and maintain those structures.
And of Soloists (Aquarius, Aries, Libra and Sagittarius) as any and every society’s Provocateurs: those persons who, motivated principally by their inherent compulsion to the pursuit of repute/autonomy in return for effort, are most likely to be found scrambling over, squirming under, sneaking around … or making shambles of … its structures.
And I think that the structures (alliances) headed by Cancers are most likely to be Matriarchal in character: exclusive and overly protective. That those with a Leo at the helm are most likely to be Patriarchal in theirs: expansive and overly indulgent. That ones initiated by Capricorns are most likely to be Bureaucracies: over-thought and over-populated. And that those governed by a Scorpio are, more often than not, intrigue-rich and diplomacy-poor Monarchies. Psst: My slight problem with authority isn’t noticeable, is it? So, I suppose it should come as no surprise that, in those Seasons (like Palau) heavy with supportive and expendable Subordinates, the Superiors as a group (and the ministerial Capricorns and magisterial Scorpios in particular) have a distinct advantage in the pursuit of the $1,000,000.00. Given that milieu, acclaim for the provision of structure in a stressful environment is much more easily obtained in only thirty-nine days than is advancement or autonomy.
Nor should it be surprising that, in those Seasons (like Guatemala) when the stalwart and expendable Subordinate ranks are thin, the ad hoc Soloists and the more familial than formidable Cancers and Leos tend to be … ultimately … more successful. In that circumstance, the fine line between recognition and repute becomes proportionately indistinct. And, because crisis does not often reward the complex, the sensitive, the patient or the persnickity, Survivor’s Gemini, Pisces, Taurus and Virgo natives are at an even greater disadvantage.
Anyway … I’ve finally found the time to chart all of the Seasons by the traditional Modes. And to finish reviewing Guatemala by looking at it from both statistical perspectives. So that reading the post that follows this one is rather like watching two … different recipes – same dessert … cakes take shape. And I hope that everyone will be patient as they bake. Because, in the end, I think that (no thanks to their procrastinating chef) both confections turned out beautifully!
And I’ve gotten the traditional charts done only just in time. Because Exile Island is already an Episode old and a Superior gone. And it would seem that this Season’s mix of personalities is going to be more interesting than most if for no other reason than that, in Aras Baskauskas and Terry Deitz, we have … sound the trumpets and roll the drums … two whole Libras! And not just any old Libras, mind you! But a young man with degrees in Philosophy and Business, an Eastern European pedigree and Yul Brynner (Cancerean) eyes who instructs others in the art of Yoga for a living and a mature Annapolis graduate, carrier-qualified fighter pilot, commercial airlines captain and rugged individualist (the last because I think that there must be more to the story of his early retirement from the active Navy than his CBS biography reveals).
Did I say “interesting”? On second thought, perhaps I should have said mesmerizing. Because, in addition to the ubiquitous one – to - four Capricorns (Astronaut Dr. Daniel Barry is, of course, what else other than a Capricorn), we also have an Aries and two Cancers in the cast. And only twice before (in the back- to - back All Stars and Vanuatu) has the reputedly intrepid Mark Burnett actually been daring enough to sign off on the cohabitation of all four of the Cardinal Signs.
And never before Exile Island has an installment of Survivor been bereft of Aquarians.
And never before Exile Island has Burnett and Company cast so few Fixed Signs. So that a group that has traditionally (S1 through S11) enjoyed a 10% to 14% numerical advantage over their Cardinal and Mutable tribemates are, in Panama, at a 50% (and plus) disadvantage to both. Only in Borneo (7 to 5) and in Marquesas (7 to 4) were they outnumbered by the Cardinals. And only in Palau by the Mutables (8 to 6). But not until now have they ever found themselves at the bottom of the (traditional) bowl. However, if Bobby doesn’t mind sharing the Superior label with Cirie, Dan and Nick and the bachelor Austin doesn’t have an aversion to the companionship of the Subordinates Courtney, Danielle, Melinda and Misty, I have room for them in mine. And speaking of Austin:
Isn’t it going to be fun to watch as his comparisons to Bobby Jon surface? And speaking of comparisons:
I really wish that Tina hadn’t been gone in such a flash. Because hers with Amy (I thought that the parody of the former female professional football player by the current female professional logroller during the latter’s interview in TV Guide’s preview was priceless) would have been just as inevitable.
And speaking of that: I wonder if anyone knows if Amy replaced Tina in Guatemala’s cast? Because I doubt that the show’s producers originally chose two mature, physically imposing, mentally intimidating, and wonderfully articulate and entertaining blonde, female Scorpios for that Season. They aren’t inclined to be that good to us. And speaking of that, I’m with Tina:
I hope that Cirie (in particular), Melinda (only slightly less particularly) and RuthMarie (I usually like Aries, but I’m prepared to make an exception in her blonde-highlighted, youthful-looking case) “do miserably”!
And on that note (the one, of course, about liking Aries): With a glass raised to you and to Mockingbird, and to KO and to Applejack (whose musical interludes are my very favorite part of the Editing thread), and to every other member of the Daw Dynasty who has contributed to Signs … and to Does A Capricorn …, I’ll just finish off the wine and get on with my baking.
Salut! 
Artist: Stephanie Marrott
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15. "RE: Jury and F2" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-10-06 AT 07:41 AM (EST)  | Well, now that I’ve changed into something slightly more svelte …
Before this past Season began, I used charts of Seasonal mixes (that I later published in Signs of Survival II) based upon my own division of the Sun Signs to compare Guatemala to the two Seasons that its unique blend of personalities most closely resembled: All Stars and Marquesas ... |
ALL STARS (9 SUPERIORS, 3 SUBORDINATES, 6 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES to SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS to SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS to SUPERIORS |
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| 67% to 33% | 83% to 17% | 50% to 50% | GUATEMALA (9 SUPERIORS, 4 SUBORDINATES, 5 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES to SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS to SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS to SUPERIORS |
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| 72% to 28% | 78% to 22% | 50% to 50% | MARQUESAS (8 SUPERIORS, 4 SUBORDINATES, 4 SOLOISTS)| SUPERIORS/SUBORDINATES to SOLOISTS | SUPERIORS/SOLOISTS to SUBORDINATES | SUBORDINATES/SOLOISTS to SUPERIORS |
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| 75% to 25% | 75% to 25% | 50% to 50% | And those comparisons produced this subsequent one … FINAL NINES| ALL STARS | MARQUESAS |
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| 5 SUPERIORS | 3 SUPERIORS | | 2 SUBORDINATES | 4 SUBORDINATES | | 2 SOLOISTS | 2 SOLOISTS | And based upon it and this identified pattern … Within those seasonal mixes (Borneo, Outback, Marquesas, Amazon, Pearl Islands, All Stars and Vanuatu) that have begun with a two to one or greater ratio of Superiors/Soloists to Subordinates, the ultimate advantage is to the Soloists: a 50%/Soloists to 43%/Superiors to 7%/Subordinates split in the Final Two and a 43%/Soloists to 43%/Superiors to 14%/Subordinates split in Sole Survivors. In those seasons, the softer, gentler touch of Leo leadership, the Soloists -- a lone Virgo (Chris, in Survivor: Vanautu) and a lone Capricorn (Tina in Survivor: Outback) -- prevailed. But in those seasons (Africa, Thailand and Palau) when the initial mix has produced a less than two to one ratio between the three (Superiors/Soloists to Subordinates), the advantage shifts to the Superiors: a 50%/Superiors to 50%/Subordinates to 0%/Soloists split in the Final Two and a 67%/Superiors to 33%/Subordinates to 0%/Soloists split in Sole Survivors. In those seasons, the assertive, up-front leadership style of a Capricorn and a Scorpio -- and a Piscean (Brian, in Survivor: Thailand) -- triumphed. However, there is no historic Survivor model/mix (that I’ve been able to identify) that consistently predicts a statistical end-game advantage (Superiors vs Subordinates vs Soloists) for the Subordinates. But there is an interesting pattern: In Thailand and Vanautu (the two seasons that produced Subordinate Sole Survivors) the mix of Superiors to Subordinates/Soloists was an identical 44% to 56%. And in Pearl Islands (where a Pisces and a Taurus finished third and fourth) that mix (Superiors to Subordinates/Soloists) was again 44% to 56%. Note: Mathematical and placement errors have been corrected ... I subjectively predicted that Guatemala’s Final Nine would consist of a Jury of four to five Superiors, one to two Subordinates and one to two Soloists and a Final Two of a Soloist vs a Leo or a Cancer. However, more precisely, the charts and the pattern indicated that the Final Nine would consist of three to five Superiors, two to four Subordinates, and two Soloists with a Final Two of (A) one of Brandon, Brian, Jamie, Morgan or Stephenie and (B) one of Brooke, Cindy, Danni or Gary … F9 AT EPISODE ONE: GUATEMALAF2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius |
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| 3-5 SUPERIORS | 2-4 SUBORDINATES | 2 SOLOISTS | from
Cindy/Cancer
Danni/Cancer
Brooke/Leo
Gary/Leo
Amy/Scorpio
Brianna/Scorpio
Jim/Capricorn
Lydia/Capricorn
Rafe/Capricorn | from
Blake/Taurus
Bobby Jon/Taurus
Judd/Virgo
Margaret/Gemini | from
Brandon/Aquarius
Brian/Aquarius
Jamie/Aquarius
Morgan/Sagittarius
Stephenie/Sagittarius | Key
Survivors in bold: F2 Eligible
That, of course, split Guatemala’s cast in two. Those Survivors who were precluded from reaching the Final Two (no matter how much or how minutely they otherwise advanced) were Amy, Blake, Bobby Jon, Brianna, Jim, Judd, Lydia, Margaret and Rafe.
Notes:1. The mixes dictated the parameters of the composition of the Final Nine. But it was the pattern that they revealed that predicted the composition of the Final Two. And throughout the Season, despite all of the reliable spoilers around me, Veruca Salt’s amazing insight and Mockingbird’s sage observance of the ‘sly Cancer’s’ skillful gamesmanship, until Gary’s departure and Stephenie’s defeat I insisted upon clinging to that pattern’s encouraging indication that Guatemala’s mix provided an ‘advantage’ for the Leos (vs the Cancers) and for the Soloist (vs the Superior) to bolster my prejudicial hope that the Season would produce a dominant Leo/Sagittarius alliance (à la All Stars: Rob M. does have a Sagittarius Cusp) and/or a Sagittarius victory (à la Marquesas and Vecepia). Lesson learned: an ‘advantage’ does not a ‘sure bet’ make. And a Cusp? Well … 2. Also, throughout the Season and despite all of the reliable spoilers around me, Veruca Salt’s amazing insight, my own charted predictions and your good advice, I insisted upon clinging to a prejudicial, Final Two/Winner-eligible status for Lydia: the short, mature, perky, ‘Spanish Post’, Cap/Aquarian. So, while I will continue to note the Survivors’ Cusp Signs (if any) in Cast compilations, it is one of my New Year’s Resolutions that I will never again allow them (or suspect spoilers or my empathy for the aged, afflicted and/or conflicted) to influence my analyses of the Astrological ‘numbers’ . Much.
Now, as our favorite Chefs would say, let’s set all of that aside for the moment while we assemble the ingredients for our other cake. And here, you will have to trust me a bit. As I’ve said, I’ve finally charted all of the Seasons by the traditional Modes, but , for our browsers’ sake, I’m going to post only those for Guatemala and its two closest (traditional) models … Pearl Islands and Vanuatu in this thread. And it should also be noted here that it is not at all surprising that the two very different methods of grouping Sun Signs produce comparisons to very different Seasonal models. It is, after all, the premise of this thread (and the reason for all of its charts) that the behaviors, performances and interactions of groups of similarly disposed individuals will be predictably replicated within discrete environments (in this case, within the Seasonal installments of the Game of Survivor) and that the behaviors, performances and interactions of individual members of those groups are also (albeit with much more difficulty) predictable within that environment. So, different ingredients in different measures (in this case, the internal composition of personality groups and the defined groups’ resultant mathematical relationships) will inevitably produce different comparatives/composites. What, however, two different recipes cannot do (if both are reliable guides to the same ultimate dish), is produce different results.
In other words, at the end of their baking our two Guatemala cakes have to look, smell and taste exactly alike. And of course they both have to look, smell and taste exactly like the Game … fini! Or I need to spend a lot more quality time with the cookbook.
All of that said, here are Guatemala, Pearl Islands and Vanuatu … PEARL ISLANDS (4 CARDINALS, 8 FIXED, 4 MUTABLES)| CARDINALS/FIXED to MUTABLES | CARDINALS/MUTABLES to FIXED | FIXED/MUTABLES to CARDINALS |
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| 75% to 25% | 50% to 50% | 75% to 25% | GUATEMALA (5 CARDINALS, 9 FIXED, 4 MUTABLES)| CARDINALS/FIXED to MUTABLES | CARDINALS/MUTABLES to FIXED | FIXED/MUTABLES to CARDINALS |
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| 78% to 22% | 50% to 50% | 72% to 28% | VANUATU (5 CARDINALS, 10 FIXED, 3 MUTABLES)| CARDINALS/FIXED to MUTABLES | CARDINALS/MUTABLES to FIXED | FIXED/MUTABLES to CARDINALS |
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| 83% to 17% | 44% to 56% | 72% to 28% | And those comparisons produced this subsequent one … FINAL NINES| PEARL ISLANDS | VANUATU |
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| 3 CARDINALS | 4 CARDINALS | | 5 FIXED | 3 FIXED | | 1 MUTABLE | 2 MUTABLES | Unfortunately, as I’ve charted the Seasons using the traditional Modes, I have yet to discover a ‘pattern’ that would permit any prediction of the composition of Final Two(s) or that reveals any other spoiler-friendly trends: Pearl Islands was concluded with a Fixed victory and Vanuatu with a Mutable one. And now Guatemala has ended on a note of Cardinal triumph. But that doesn’t mean that the trend(s) or pattern(s) aren’t there. So, I’ll keep looking. Because, while contrasting the analyses developed from the two systems serves as an effective control mechanism and facilitates the reduction of fields, the ability to cross-reference patterns and/or trends produced by the two should be a real boon to our ability to predict those fields with far greater precision.
Which brings me to the reason for all of these tedious (to assemble, to assimilate and to read/scroll through) charts: I’m sixty-three. I don’t think that I’m going to live long enough to see this Board credit my analyses and conclusions (or anyone’s) merely because ‘I said so’.
Moreover: I am a Sagittarius. Worse: I am a Sagittarius with a Moon in Cancer. This is, according to everything I have read and rueful personal experience, not a good thing vis à vis objectivity and detail: too much imagination, insecurity, impulsiveness, impatience, and emotion. In fact, I’m beginning to think that it’s not a good thing vis à vis a whole lot of things! So, I post the charts because (1) I hope that they will lend credence to, and build confidence in, Astrological profiling and analyses as a spoiling device (2) I hope that my demonstrably-numerous mistakes will be corrected or challenged and (3) I hope that someone (or several ones) with much better ‘vision’ than mine will be able to flesh out their bare bones by identifying and quantifying all of the other ‘patterns’ that I am convinced are there but that I just can’t see.
In the meantime, I’ve retrieved the Superior/Subordinate/Soloist Final Nine model that I set aside earlier and have put it beside the Cardinal/Fixed/Mutable one that I’ve just created. And, because there is not yet an identified comparable Cardinal/Fixed/Mutable ‘pattern’, I’ve superimposed the Superior/Subordinate/Soloist one in its columns only as a ‘control’ … FINAL NINES AT EPISODE ONE: GUATEMALAF2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius | F2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius |
|---|
3-5
SUPERIORS | 2-4
SUBORDINATES | 2
SOLOISTS | 3-4
CARDINALS | 3-5
FIXED | 1-2
MUTABLES | from
Cindy/Cancer
Danni/Cancer
Brooke/Leo
Gary/Leo
Amy/Scorpio
Brianna/Scorpio
Jim/Cap
Lydia/Cap
Rafe/Cap | from
Blake/Taurus
BJ/Taurus
Judd/Virgo
Margaret/Gem | from
Brandon/Aq
Brian/Aq
Jamie/Aq
Morgan/Sag
Steph/Sag | from
Cindy/Cancer
Danni/Cancer
Jim/Cap
Lydia/Cap
Rafe/Cap | from
Brandon/Aq
Brian/Aq
Jamie/Aq
Brooke/Leo
Gary/Leo
Amy/Scorpio
Brianna/Scorpio
Blake/Taurus
BJ/Taurus | from
Morgan/Sag
Steph/Sag
Judd/Virgo
Margaret/Gem | Key
Survivors in bold: F2 EligibleNotice that if, for instance, we had been able to identify a Cardinal/Fixed/Mutable ‘pattern’ that indicated that, in this Seasonal mix, a Cardinal and a Mutable would compose our Final Two, we would have been able to cross- reference the two ‘patterns’ and to narrow the contests within the Game to (1) the one between Danni (Superior/Cardinal) and Cindy (Superior/Cardinal) and (2) the one between Stephenie (Soloist/Mutable) and Morgan (Soloist/Mutable). And we would have known that Stephenie was one of the Final Two at Episode Two.
Ah, well …
We’re finally ready to warm up Guatemala. And from Episode One through Five (through the inconveniently scattered boots of Jim (Superior/Cardinal), Morgan (Soloist/Mutable), Brianna (Superior/Fixed), Brooke (Superior/Fixed), and Blake (Subordinate/Fixed), while the fields narrowed (as you’ve noted, the Fixed most notably so), nothing definitive (in terms of our predictions) occurred.
But at Episode Six, with the double boot of Brian (Soloist/Fixed) and Margaret (Subordinate/Mutable), the Subordinate group reached the minimum limit of the not-less-than-two -or- more-than-four criteria for it. So, not only did Margaret and Brian leave us at that juncture, but Bobby Jon (Subordinate/Fixed) and Judd (Subordinate/Mutable) became the first members of our predictable Final Nines and were temporarily and exclusively safe through Episodes Seven and Eight. Moreover, with the number of Subordinate Final Nine members decided, we would then have known that we had to have the full complement (five) of our predicted (three to five) Superiors to satisfy our Superior/Subordinate/Soloist model.
But which five of the remaining six (four Cardinals and two Fixed) Superiors? And the fact that the Cardinal/Fixed/Mutable model could not yet tell us if we needed only three (or all four) of the remaining Cardinals … or only three (or all four) of the remaining Fixed … or no (or the one) remaining Mutable … to satisfy its criteria sure wouldn’t have helped! So, at the conclusion of Episode Six, our cakes would have looked like this … FINAL NINES AT EPISODE SIX: GUATEMALAF2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius | F2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius |
|---|
3-5
SUPERIORS | 2-4
SUBORDINATES | 2
SOLOISTS | 3-4
CARDINALS | 3-5
FIXED | 1-2
MUTABLES | from
Cindy/Cancer
Danni/Cancer
Gary/Leo
Amy/Scorpio
Lydia/Cap
Rafe/Cap | (J) BJ/Taurus
(J) Judd/Virgo | from
Brandon/Aq
Jamie/Aq
Steph/Sag | from
Cindy/Cancer
Danni/Cancer
Lydia/Cap
Rafe/Cap | from
Brandon/Aq
Jamie/Aq
Gary/Leo
Amy/Scorpio
(J) BJ/Taurus | from
Steph/Sag
(J) Judd/Virgo | Key
Survivors in bold: F2 Eligible
J: JurorBut in Episode Seven two more of our predictions would have been validated as Amy’s boot sent Gary (Superior/Fixed) and Cindy, Danni, Rafe and Lydia (Superiors/Cardinals) to the Final Nine (filling both our Superior and Cardinal requirements to their full capacities) … FINAL NINES AT EPISODE SEVEN: GUATEMALAF2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius | F2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius |
|---|
3-5
SUPERIORS | 2-4
SUBORDINATES | 2
SOLOISTS | 3-4
CARDINALS | 3-5
FIXED | 1-2
MUTABLES | (J]Cindy/Can
(J)Danni/Can
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | (J)BJ/Taurus
(J)Judd/Virgo | from
Brandon/Aq
Jamie/Aq
Steph/Sag | (J)Cindy/Can
(J)Danni/Can
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | from
Brandon/Aq
Jamie/Aq
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)BJ/Taurus | from
Steph/Sag
(J)Judd/Virgo | Key
Survivors in bold: F2 Eligible
J: JurorSo, at Episode Eight, only Brandon and Jamie (Soloists/Fixed) and Stephenie (Soloist/Mutable) remained vulnerable to pre-Jury expulsion. And when Brandon was booted, that would have settled that: the Final Nines (the two in the Signs of Survival kitchen and the one in Guatemala) would have been complete and thoroughly consistent with our predictions. Additionally, they would have been completely compatible each with the other. No contradictions. No embarrassing anomalies. No divergent results … FINAL NINES AT EPISODE EIGHT: GUATEMALAF2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius | F2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Aquarius or
Sagittarius |
|---|
3-5
SUPERIORS | 2-4
SUBORDINATES | 2
SOLOISTS | 3-4
CARDINALS | 3-5
FIXED | 1-2
MUTABLES | (J)Cindy/Can
(J)Danni/Can
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | (J)BJ/Taurus
(J)Judd/Virgo | (J)Jamie/Aq
(J)Steph/Sag | (J)Cindy/Can
(J)Danni/Can
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | (J)Jamie/Aq
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)BJ/Taurus | (J)Steph/Sag
(J)Judd/Virgo | Key
Survivors in bold: F2 Eligible
J: JurorBut, as the gourmet-gadget peddler would say, ‘Wait! There’s more!’
There is the pattern and the Final Two prediction: Superior (Leo or Cancer) vs Soloist (Aquarius or Sagittarius). And because of it, we knew (if we were paying attention) that, although they had reached the Final Nine, neither Bobby Jon (Fixed/Subordinate/Taurus), nor Judd (Mutable/Subordinate/Virgo), nor Lydia (Cardinal/Superior/Capricorn), nor Rafe (Cardinal/Superior/Capricorn) was going to reach the Final Two. Rather, the struggle to reach that plateau was then down to the five remaining participants in the two separate contests identified earlier. Specifically … (A) to the one between Jamie (the Fixed/Soloist/Aquarian) and Stephenie (the Mutable/Soloist/Sagittarian) and (B) to the other between Gary (the Fixed/Superior/Leo) and Cindy and Danni (the Cardinal/Superior/Cancers) …
And Bobby Jon’s departure in Episode 9 did nothing to help to determine either one. But when Jamie was booted in Episode 10, Stephenie (the lone Soloist remaining) was assured her Final Two spot . And when Gary left in Episode 11, the only viable contest remaining was the one between Cindy and Danni … FINAL NINES AT EPISODE ELEVEN: GUATEMALAF2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Steph/Sag | F2: SUPERIOR
Cancer or
Leo | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Steph/Sag |
|---|
3-5
SUPERIORS | 2-4
SUBORDINATES | 2
SOLOISTS | 3-4
CARDINALS | 3-5
FIXED | 1-2
MUTABLES | (J)Cindy/Can
(J)Danni/Can
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | (J)BJ/Taurus
(J)Judd/Virgo | (J)Jamie/Aq | (J)Cindy/Can
(J)Danni/Can
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | (J)Jamie/Aq
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)BJ/Taurus | (J)Judd/Virgo | Key
Survivors in bold: F2 EligibleBut that contest wasn’t destined () to conclude until Cindy followed Judd to the Jury in Episode 13 …
FINAL NINES AT EPISODE THIRTEEN: GUATEMALAF2: SUPERIOR
Danni/Cancer | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Steph/Sag | F2: SUPERIOR
Danni/Cancer | vs | F2: SOLOIST
Steph/Sag |
|---|
3-5
SUPERIORS | 2-4
SUBORDINATES | 2
SOLOISTS | 3-4
CARDINALS | 3-5
FIXED | 1-2
MUTABLES | (J)Cindy/Can
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | (J)BJ/Taurus
(J)Judd/Virgo | (J)Jamie/Aq | (J)Cindy/Can
(J)Lydia/Cap
(J)Rafe/Cap | (J)Jamie/Aq
(J)Gary/Leo
(J)BJ/Taurus | (J)Judd/Virgo | Fini!
Note: To everyone out there who is right about now saying “Well, not quite, Georgianna”, I heartedly recommend your post just above mine. It helped enormously. But, even so, I am still having a hard time understanding just how Danni (the Superior/Cardinal/Cancer/Rabbit) managed to win the thing!And now, a few words about the efficacy of Astrology/Sun Sign Profiling (and of their statistical analyses within Signs of Survival) as spoiling mechanisms: They did not, this Season, identify the Sole Survivor prior to the announcement of the Final Tribal Council Votes. And they did not, this Season, produce either a comprehensive and reliable Boot list or serve up a ready-mixed Final Nine. However … They did, this Season, identify those nine (of eighteen) persons who could become Guatemala’s Sole Survivor prior to the First Episode’s appearance. But, perhaps more importantly, in doing that they also, before the First Episode aired, identified the nine (of eighteen) persons who could not become this Season’s winner and divided the eligible nine into two pools. So that, it was never Stephenie or Danni vs seventeen (or even eight) other Survivors. It was, rather, Stephenie vs four others (Brandon, Brian, Jamie and Morgan) -- each with a one-in-six shot at a $1,000,000 -- and Danni vs three others (Brooke, Cindy and Gary) -- each with a one-in-five chance at the same prize. And despite erroneous spoilers to the contrary (and wishful thinking and tortured editing), Judd and Lydia and Rafe were never viable candidates for the Final Two.
Note: The names make a hell of a difference, don’t they? And maybe if I had had the good sense to spell them out back in August (and to chart their progress as I’ve belatedly done here) I, and others, would have paid a lot more attention to the fact that Guatemala was, in fact, two very narrowly-defined games in one.
Astrology/Sun Sign Profiling (and their statistical analyses within Signs of Survival) also, as the Season progressed, ‘sent’ Bobby Jon and Judd to the Jury two Episodes before CBS confirmed their arrival. And they ‘sent’ Stephenie and Danni to the Final Two a full five and two Boots (respectively) before the fact of their arrivals played out on our screens.
But most important, I think, is what Astrology/Sun Sign Profiling (and their statistical analyses within Signs of Survival) were not this Season. Specifically, the predictions that were based solely upon very coarse analyses of the historic performances of birthdays within the Survivor environment (as I’ve indicated, I’d love to see what a skilled statistician could do with the same data!) and that I last modified on August 27th (but that, given access to a list of its birthdays, could just as readily have been made from the moment casting for Guatemala was finalized) were not at any stage of the Game at odds with the realities of its prosecution or with either the very accurate post-wrap scuttlebutt released by ToT or Veruca Salt’s absolutely brilliant post-production observations. In short: they were not wrong!
In fact, if the “confused/confusing” edit of Guatemala was just that (and not, principally, diabolically disingenuous) and can therefore be considered to be indicatory, those pre-season predictions were much more reliable than were the analyses of the cast’s personality profiles and the pre-season predictions of their performances that informed Guatemala’s host, producers and editing staff.
For the first Season of Signs of Survival, I’ll take that. And make every effort to post the introduction to Signs … second Season before CBS posts Exile Island’s second Episode.
Artist: Stephanie Marrott
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