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"unexpected twist episode 4"
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"unexpected twist episode 4" |
Episode 4 CBS Website Teasers:
In an unexpected twist, members of the two tribes are shuffledWhile one Survivor dangles his feet in the crocodile-infested waters, something nibbles on his toes. A very close Immunity Challenge leads into a tense Tribal Council that could end with a tie or a major betrayal.
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1. "Yaxha returns to TC" |
One thing pops out right away..."A very close Immunity Challenge leads into a tense Tribal Council that could end with a tie or a major betrayal." This must refer to Yaxha, as they have 6 members to Nakum's 7, so a tie is only possible if Yaxha goes to TC. Now we just have to figure out who gets shuffled...  Fester
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09-30-05, 10:22 AM (EST)
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2. "NAKUM" |
They started with 9 per side when Bobby Jon and Stephenie joined. Nakum is down to 8 and Yaxha with 7, so I'd figure it must be the reformatted Nakum that goes to TC.
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09-30-05, 12:29 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Yaxha returns to TC" |
>This must refer to Yaxha, as
>they have 6 members to
>Nakum's 7, so a tie
>is only possible if Yaxha
>goes to TC.
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>Couldn't Nakum still have a tie by voting for more than two members ie Judd 3, Bobby Jon 3 and Brandon 1?
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09-30-05, 02:12 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
We need to study the vidcaps because I believe the teasers last night showed Bobby Jon yanking his feet out of the water. We need to see who is there with him and check buff colors..... Now what did I do with that link...
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09-30-05, 03:25 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
A very close Immunity Challenge leads into a tense Tribal Council that could end with a tie or a major betrayal.
They seemed to be operating under the illusion that previous votes might count, according to what Jim said about how he wound up voting for Margaret: So I took 7 pieces of yellow corn and one piece of black corn and we drew it out of a hat, because we were under the impression that, at the end, those votes would actually matter, the ones who got voted against would matter. Turned out it didn’t, but Margaret drew that black corn, and that’s who I voted for. If Jim knows that it turned out previous votes didn't matter, it's probably because a tie did occur at some point. 
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10-01-05, 04:32 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-05 AT 05:40 AM (EST)I think if any tie occurred they would have learned that previous votes don't count, because Jeff would have gone over the complete rules whether or not anyone had previous votes. Keep in mind that he explains the rules thoroughly at TC and then they edit down his comments to what sound bytes are important for the show. In any tiebreaker situation, Jeff makes sure they know exactly what they are getting into. Nakum should have all known the tiebreaker rules as in their contracts; Jim's story made it sound as if they didn't read carefully and were drawing on memories from the first three seasons. Jim et al could have asked to be refreshed on the rules while at Loser Lodge if they were curious. What would make them curious? Perhaps having a bootee show up who went through a tiebreaker? 
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10-01-05, 11:57 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-05 AT 00:00 AM (EST)not much to add , just some tv listings ~ AOL~ "To Betray or Not to Betray"
The two tribes are switched around; one castaway gets a big scare when something nibbles on his toes as he dangles them in crocodile-infested waters; a very close Immunity Challenge leads to a tense Tribal Council.
TV Guide~
and this from SF ~ Episode 4 - CBS Press Release
THE TRIBES MEET AND FIND OUT THEY ARE BEING SWITCHED AROUND, ON "SURVIVOR: GUATEMALA -- THE MAYA EMPIRE," THURSDAY, OCT. 6
"To Betray Or Not To Betray" -- The tribes are switched around, on SURVIVOR: GUATEMALA -- THE MAYA EMPIRE, Thursday, Oct. 6 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Nakum and Yaxha come together for a forum that reveals the state of their tribes. In an unexpected twist, the two tribes are switched around. One castaway gets a big scare when something nibbles on his toes while he is dangling them in the crocodile-infested waters. A very close Immunity Challenge leads into a tense Tribal Council that has the potential to end with a tie or a major betrayal. And, the fourth member is voted out of the tribe.
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10-02-05, 02:59 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
i have some time today...no steelers game  From what I see in the vidcaps and possible buffomatic and way it could maybe be a tie but doesn't end up that way--is if Nakum becomes 4-4 of Original Nakum and new Nakum from Yaxha w/Nakum losing the IC I think somehow the Survivors have control over who is swapped after this "powwow" or "state of the tribes" (never happened before that tribes not just one, got to choose) the Canoe 4 stays at Nakum and then 2 sets of "pairs" on Yaxha goes to Nakum: One Pair: Steph and Rafe
Second Pair: Jamie (buffomatic when throwing spear) and Lydia Margaret(asks Gary about football) Cindy Blake (in Yaxha canoe in IC) and BJ go to Yaxha (sort of pairs too) Therefore the tribes would be: New Nakum: Danni
Brooke Brandon
Judd Steph
Rafe Lydia
Jamie New Yaxha: Gary
Amy Brian Blake
BJ Cindy
Margaret These seem to be how the survivors pair up so far. With Brian the odd man out. My guess...Nakum goes to TC and Steph is the Betrayer to who tried to get rid of her in Week 2---Jamie...Rafe tries to keep Yaxha Spirit alive but goes along with Steph in the end...Lydia and Jamie vote for Brooke---Jamie doesn't like weaker players and she is the weakest physically of the Canoe 4. The Canoe 4 and Steph/Rafe vote for Jamie and he is history in a 6-2 vote--this fits in with a likely confrontation btw Steph and Jamie (see VS editing thread) and Jamie's confessional history (thanks Corvis) Then next week, ep 5 comes and the rumor of Brian leaving "colorfully" can be explained bc he is now in a minority on the new Yaxha and doesn't have a partner... Just my 2 cents... 
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10-02-05, 03:32 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-05 AT 03:35 PM (EST)gotta remember never happened before . i think 2 seperate tribe swaps buff swaps and all hence different color buff pictures .mb misdirection. the new final tribes are different than in any picture you got of ep4. i think the tribes go like this amy blake bj cindy judd stephenie jamie
brandon brian brook danni gary lydia margaret rafe
judd betrays blake and votes with stephenie jamie amy nakum betrayel . 4 to 3 old yaxha members have judd help vote off a old tribe mate .betrayel for sure . stephenie and judd stick together at least this week .blake goes ep4 that will be my vote .and yes stephenie loses lol again and has to go to tc . so mb helping her no i doubt it . lol
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10-02-05, 03:44 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-05 AT 03:54 PM (EST)emdyi,
I like your idea that the "forum" powwow somehow influenced the swap. I don't think the swap happens right at the forum, because TDT thinks the swap happens at IC because the RC is likely followed by messages from home for the winning tribe. So maybe the things they say come back to them at IC. Re:
"the rumor of Brian leaving "colorfully" can be explained." This is not directed to emdyi but in general, so many are talking about this Brian getting blindsided TC as if it's a bona fide spoiler. I think this rumor needs to be put in check. As far as I know, there is absolutely no evidence that JP was talking about Brian. JP's quote to the Q&A:
Q: Question: Has someone ever, when voted out, gone totally ballistic and threatened violence? JP: Nobody's threatened violence. We had a couple this season of Guatemala, where people were so blindsided and it was so personal and there's one in particular that is probably the most colorful exit that we've ever had. I say colorful in quotes because it's funny looking back on it but it wasn't funny to the person at the time. Note that Jeff is responding to a question about someone totally losing it and threatening violence. His answer, in that context, is reaching for the closest thing to violence. Not a real threat but probably something kind of explosive or borderline coming unglued. Does that sound like Brian? Brian's a fairly quiet player. He likes to scheme and manipulate but he doesn't cause drama. He loves the game of Survivor and knows it well. Why would he in particular make some kind of scene when he's voted out? It might be Brian of course, or several other candidates. But for us to base our idea of how the game goes around this colorful exit coming up, I think it's a mistake. The exit could be at F4 for all we know. Also note that there is more than one TC where someone was "blindsided." (Does Morgan count? Maybe, but that is so early.)
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10-02-05, 05:25 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
Someone has mentioned that Jeff referred to Judd as colorful and we saw how he overreacted during tribal council already. I can see him being the one who has a possibly colorful exit.
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10-02-05, 06:13 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
Agreed mommamia and OFG! Judd is very colorful and out there compared to the well mannered Brian. If Brian is blindsided I'd bet that such a well versed young man might leave with a little grace and dignity.
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10-03-05, 11:03 AM (EST)
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32. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
Finding myself in agreement with you again FP. I can't wait for the doorman to be shown the door.RedBeard
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10-03-05, 11:01 AM (EST)
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31. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-03-05 AT 11:25 AM (EST)Does that sound like Brian? Brian's a fairly quiet player. He likes to scheme and manipulate but he doesn't cause drama. He loves the game of Survivor and knows it well. Why would he in particular make some kind of scene when he's voted out? I could see Brian getting upset if he thought he was in complete control of a TC vote and then got turned on by people that he thought were voting with him. Especially because he knows the game well. A John Carroll-type boot. But you're right to point out that this is not a spoiler or even a rumor. ETA: I do think Morgan counts as one of JP's blindside boots because he said at TC that she "never saw it coming." Also, he mentions that at least one of the boots is "personal" -- that doesn't seem to apply to Morgan, but it could apply to the colorful boot. It could be that someone gets booted because they are disliked. Or maybe it applies to Gary, if his football past is the cause of his boot. That could be considered "personal".
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10-03-05, 02:25 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
emydi, there is no Ep 5 rumor. (Or spoiler.)I think I may have started all this. I was one of the people who said they thought Brian would be the colorful exit. This was mostly based on his personality. I also started this thread about an article wherein Brian's friend said that Brian was convinced he would be portrayed as an Ivy League villain. There I speculated that Brian would probably have to last until *at least* Ep 5, in order to have enough time to get a villain edit. Maybe that is what you read. But there is nothing saying that Brian leaves in Ep 5, or that the colorful exit is in Ep 5.
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10-03-05, 02:41 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
I've been thinking for a long time about posting and I wasn't exactly sure about it, but here I go What a new twist that involved bringing back other popular players. They could bring them back during the game and then give them a chance to prove themselves or get voted out.
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10-05-05, 06:22 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
Wasn't Ulong the one that had several ties and Stephenie always changed her vote. I am having trouble remembering, but I think she did it on more than one occasion.
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10-05-05, 07:32 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
Something that was on my mind after the last episode: they're sitting around with pads & pens and Jeff says something (the twist) and they all look surprised:They are told to rank their teams players from strongest to weakest, then after the RC, the RC winners get to choose whether they want the 2 strongest men & 2 weakest women or the 2 strongest women & 2 weakest men from the opposing tribe on their team of course then they have to give up the opposite to their team, thus: Original Nakum:
Danni Y-BJ
Brooke Y-Blake
Y-Margaret Brandon
Y-Cindy Judd Original Yaxha:
N-Stephenie Gary
N-Lydia Brian
Amy N-Jamie
N-Rafe Nakum wins RC and chooses Yaxha's strongest woman/weakest man (since they are strong on men and know that will make them unstoppable. But now Yaxha gets Nakums strongest man/weakest woman This is just my theory, even if it is way out, but there's a reason they have pads in their hands
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10-06-05, 10:42 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-06-05 AT 10:43 AM (EST)>That is an interesting theory.
>It could be something along
>those lines, although we are
>pretty sure that Stephenie (strong
>woman), Rafe (weak man), and
>Jamie (strong man) get switched
>to Nakum.
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Jamie would be paired with Lydia being weakest woman... Then would Judd strongest man be paired with Margrat weakest woman and Blake weakest man paired with Brook/Cindy as strongest woman? However since this is a swap, do the players just swap? There really isn't anything to gain, just members moving from one side to the other. This makes a lot of sence to me
Bratz Edit because well wouldn't Blake be weakest since he is well sick? doh! and Duh!
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42. "RE: unexpected twist episode 4" |
BR-
The list didn't come out the way I thought it would, this is what I meant:Original Nakum:
S-Danni
S-Brooke
W-Margaret
W-Cindy
S-BJ
S-Blake
W-Brandon
W-Judd Original Yaxha:
S-Stephenie
S-Lydia
W-Amy
S-Gary
S-Brian
W-Jamie
W-Rafe S=Strongest // W=Weakest
Nakum wins RC and chooses Yaxha's strongest woman/weakest man (since they are strong on men and know that will make them unstoppable. But now Yaxha gets Nakums strongest man/weakest woman New Nakum:
Danni s
Brooke s
>>Stephenie s
>>Lydia s
>>Jamie w
>>Rafe w
Brandon w
Judd w New Yaxha:
>>Margaret w
>>Cindy w
Amy w
Gary s
Brian s
>>BJ s
>>Blake s >>=switched tribes If this was real, this would extremely sku the tribes
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That would make for an extremely tense TC. It also hasn't been done this early in the game before. Wouldn't it be great if the tribes merged this early? The game always gets so much better once the tribes merge and the fight for immunity becomes individual.
