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susanj12 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 11-11-03, 04:31 PM (EST) "Cruelty to Nice Guys" This show is meant to humiliate nice average guys. The network should be ashamed of themselves. I am certain these men were truly looking for someone to love them just like anyone else. This show shows very poor taste.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys Guppin1234 11-15-03 1  RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys funnyface 11-16-03 2    RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys Deonna 11-16-03 3    RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys strange_encounter 11-16-03 4    RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys kittycat91 11-17-03 5        RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys sinisterpaloma 11-17-03 7            RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys sinisterpaloma 11-17-03 8                RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys Chrissy gal 11-17-03 10  RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys sinisterpaloma 11-17-03 6  RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys MTW1961 11-17-03 9    RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys Guppin1234 11-19-03 14  RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys shanana banana 11-18-03 11    RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys ladro 11-18-03 12        RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys shanana banana 11-19-03 13            RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys ladro 11-19-03 15                RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys shanana banana 11-19-03 16

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Guppin1234 909 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-15-03, 07:50 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" I can definitely see your point. That is definintely the first impression, and we all know first impressions aren't always accurate. Is this show a shrunken version of NBC wooing it's audience? That would make NBC the geek and the audience Melana? Just a thought. Anywho.... by the looks on their faces when the twist arrives, the Average Joes didn't look so squeaky clean to me after all. It may just end up to be old fashioned disappointment, but they almost seem to be expecting it... waiting to get caught doing something they shouldn't. Maybe they all have twins? Just have to wait and see.   Top

funnyface 7 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 11-16-03, 10:19 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" Ironically they judged her by the same standards they didn't want to be judged. Upon first meeting her all most of them said that she was the type that they could see themselves spending the rest of their lives with. I think the men humiliated themselves.   Top

Deonna 2425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 11-16-03, 10:22 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" "Ironically they judged her by the same standards they didn't want to be judged." Excellent Point. Deonna   Top

strange_encounter 38 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 11-16-03, 10:23 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" I agree. It is interesting that these otherwise quiet men have "exposed" themselves so much on television. Their intimate thoughts and ambitions make for good television, but personal expense will be paid. I initially had the idea that this show would exhibit the fine qualities in "average" men. Instead, these men who have had a lifetime of dejection, will get if again with the full humiliation of a national TV audience.   Top

kittycat91 10 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 11-17-03, 09:41 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" bingo! while many of us want to believe that she's a shallow girl (because of her looks .. cause come on, she looks better than marge simpson), we don't want to believe that the guys are shallow ... in fact, i think many of us (me included) have taken on some sort of sympathy for the guys (cause of some of their "average" looks or "nerdy" actions ... although they do look better than homer) ... but deep down i think 99% of us have a certain amount of "shallowness" in us ... the guys on the show included ... let's face it ... i have a strong feeling that had she turned out looking like marge, the majority of them wouldn't have been that interested in her ... but that's just my take on the show ...   Top

sinisterpaloma 32 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 11-17-03, 11:53 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" speak for yourself,hon...I am superficial at all and I date a guy by his brains and heart...you shouldn't speak for 99% of the world.....cuz alot of us are not like that   Top

sinisterpaloma 32 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 11-17-03, 11:54 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" not superficial at all*   Top

Chrissy gal 1413 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 11-17-03, 10:22 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" sinisterpaloma, if you want to edit your post, just click on "edit" right next to "reply" that way you can fix any errors. I use it all the time!! Chrissy gal "Never underestimate the potential psychosis of a reality show contestant." managerr   Top

sinisterpaloma 32 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 11-17-03, 11:50 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" maybe the twist is something that is supposed to make all average guys go YEE-HAW and Melana wish she weren't superficial....you know, nbc can't be all that bad...I hope they give Mel what she deserves and have her running for her life by the end of the show   Top

MTW1961 4029 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 11-17-03, 01:13 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" >I am certain these men were truly looking for someone >to love them just like anyone else. Except that they thought they were going to be on a show called "Life of the Party". So maybe they didn't start out looking for the woman of their dreams. Plus, I think they're doing a fine job of making themselves look bad. I don't think it's NBC's fault. Mark   Top

Guppin1234 909 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 11-19-03, 01:34 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" What was the premise for "Life of the Party" - these guys didn't seem too shocked to meet Melana and partake in the show. TV MAN Ever since the procedure, I can't stand to look at myself!   Top

shanana banana 658 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-18-03, 08:21 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" LAST EDITED ON 11-18-03 AT 08:22 PM (EST) Isn't NBC the network champion of humiliation? If I remember correctly, over the summer their sister company Bravo aired a horrible show called Boy Meets Boy -- the same type of meet, date, and hopefully wind up with a partner at the end show...........the only difference being that it involved gay men contestants instead of men and women. The cruel twist? We as viewers knew that some of the contestants were straight and some are gay ---- the bachelor does not. If a straight guy gets the bachelor, James, to pick him, he wins $25,000 and James ends up with no guy and public humiliation. James only found out near the end of the game about the twist and was naturally pretty upset, putting a genuinely cruel and sadistic twist into the first gay bachelor reality show. Thank goodness James ended up picking a gay man and not a straight man at the end, but it was a very unfair and mean twist to add to the game. With this new twist on Average Joe (which I guessed correctly last week would involve the addition of new hottie contestants), Bravo/NBC has shown once again how low they will go in the reality show showdown.   Top

ladro 1168 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 11-18-03, 10:04 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" I take exception to your Boy meets Boy comparison. Yes, I did watch the series (the last four episode all at once in rerun). I don't know if there were monetary rewards as you say. I agree with most of the negative remarks posted regarding the Average Joe twist, but I enjoyed the Boy meets Boy twist and I don't think the BMB twist was cruel. The differences being; 1. THe BMB twist was angled against the Star. As the Star you have the privilege of selecting someone of your choice from among more than a dozen wantabe's. That's a big honor. If your going to accept that honor it is not unreasonable to have a twist thrown in against you. 2. The BMB twist did not insult anyone. The AJ twist does insult and defame the remaining contestants. (I can see some testifing to that in a court of law some day) 3. The BMB twist actually added intrigue to the show (I only watched because of the straight guy twist), the AJ twist doens't add alot of intrigue, I think ratings will actually drop. 4. The BMB twist did not really effect the outcome or progess of the show. In BMB the straight guys were not professionals. They rarely tried to act gay. None of them would kiss the Star. It wasn't hard to figure out which ones were straight. Hence, it was only a signficant problem for that Drama Queen (I thought her brain would explode). The drama was more in finding out if I guessed right, rather than seeing if he would pick the straight guy.   Top

shanana banana 658 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-19-03, 01:05 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" Are you kidding me here?? The Average Joe twist is "mean" because some average guys are getting possibly upstaged by good looking guys, yet throwing straight men into a mix of gay men to trick the host into selecting them isn't cruel or mean or absolutely insulting to a gay man?? We're talking about a completely different sexual orientation here -- whether Melinda picks a hot guy or an average guy, she's still getting a guy that wants her. The object of Boy Meets Boy was was total deceivery --- if James picked a straight guy, yes, the guy did win $25,000 (a well-known fact) and James ends up a humiliated loser with no one for doing absolutely nothing wrong except picking the wrong person. So you think it's meaner to discriminate against guys over looks than it is over who they are actually attracted to?? Very interesting. I'm not against "twists" on game shows by any means, but this was exceptionally cruel. Just because you enjoyed watching it doesn't mean it wasn't -- and the fact that you admit that the only reason you watched it was because of the straight twist proves that the producers got what they were after --- a straight audience watching with glee to see if the gay guy would fall flat on his face in the end. Why wouldn't you just watch it for the pure and simple purpose of watching a gay man meet his (hopefully) soul mate as readily as you'll watch any of the other reality dating shows that show opposite sex match-ups?? I'd like to see the "unfair!" uproar if the men that were thrown into the Average Joe contest were gay men who then got to win money and laugh at Melinda later on if she picked them, or if lesbians were in part of the Bachelor dating pool who then got to essentially say "sucker!" to the guy at the end if they were the one picked. Although I have no doubt that NBC is probably cooking up a show like that right now, as we speak. You think it was easy to pick out the straight boys? Well, I don't think a lot of people felt the same way, including many of the contestants. If your litmus test for that was the fact that they weren't kissing each other ----- well, the network wasn't showing much kissing anyway between any of the contestants, gay or straight, for fear of the straight audiences "oh, ick!" factor if they had to lower themselves to watch two men actually show affection towards each other. As far as Average Joe goes, I think it's going to be pretty obvious that Melinda isn't going to end up picking one of the hotties over the average guys --- she's not going to humilate the Joes or look like a total bimbo on national tv by doing that. She'll get her kicks out of kissing the hotties in the dating pool for a little while, then she'll probably end up picking one of the Joes (if only for the camera's sake) but won't end up with him once the show ends.   Top

ladro 1168 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 11-19-03, 01:46 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" I agree with your predictions in the last paragraph. Your response to my concise and well articulated post was long winded, inflamatory, defamatory, and factually inaccurate. My review of the posts on the BMB board of this website indicated that the vast majortiy of people were able to identify who was gay/straight (in spite of the editing). If you can't see the difference in fair play between a twist angled against the Star, and a twist angled against the contestants, I don't know what to tell you. I would not be surprised if one of the three male models in Average Joe were gay, and I think that would be a fair twist because it would be angled against the Star.   Top

shanana banana 658 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 11-19-03, 02:35 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Cruelty to Nice Guys" Sorry if I was long-winded. Sometimes I get to typing and realize a whole page has gone by before I'm done! I don't know if I was factually inaccurate --- I discussed this show as it was going on with a board full of gay men (I didn't on this one so I don't know what was said or predicted here) and many of them felt this show was unnecessarily cruel. As far as a twist angled against the star of the show, when besides Boy Meets Boy is the twist ever angled directly against the star where he/she would end up with the bad end of the stick at the end? I admit I haven't watched all the dating reality shows, but it always seems that the twist is aimed at making the contestants look bad or foolish (as gold diggers, relationship breaker-uppers, etc), but the star just gets to choose from the pool of fools and isn't directly humiliated. If I'm missing a show here where that happened, please let me know. Average Joe in the beginning took a jab at the star by giving her average men instead of hotties, but we all knew once she got over the initial shock that she would end up playing the game and liking some of the guys (or they wouldn't have aired it) -- not to mention the fact that they really didn't give her all "average joes" --- she did get some decent looking guys and it turns out that several of them made it through the first couple of cuts, at least, and the really average guys were among the first two groups to go.   Top

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