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"Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
"Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
LAST EDITED ON 05-10-05 AT 07:54 AM (EST)
Edited to include Virgo's compatibilities. It's too late to reassign Janu ...
A beginning note:
This thread was initially opened several hours ago and deleted at my request by IceCat . I had made an error that couldn’t otherwise be corrected. In the meanwhile, a very gracious reply was posted to the thread by an Aquarius (born on January 31st). And, of course, I can see everything about that post but the name! So, with my apologies and thanks to both …
THE SUPERIORS (“Lead …” )
Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … James, Mark Burnett
Cancers are never truly happy unless they have someone or something to care for and their innate understanding of human emotion allows them to see through the pretenses of other signs and lend encouragement, support or sympathy when needed. It is amazing to discover how many July-born have acquired the appendage – ‘good ol’– to their names.
But there is a private, reclusive part to every Cancer. Because of their extreme emotional sensitivity, they fear ridicule and would rather retreat than defend themselves. And there is always lurking in the background of their personalities a foreboding of disaster.
However, if Cancers can reconcile the personal conflict of their urge to be outgoing with the reserve that causes them to withdraw into themselves, then at best they can inspire a generation, especially the youthful part of it, by their idealism. They also have a penchant for trade or business and are often successful as a captain of industry. This is because they are excellent organizers with a good sense of value and economy which they may combine with a flair for invention and originality.
Positive Traits … Emotional. Loving and kind. Intuitive, imaginative and sensitive. Shrewd and cautious. Protective, sympathetic and nurturing. Patriotic.
Negative Traits … Changeable and moody. Overemotional and touchy. Clinging.
Likes … Hobbies. Romance. Children. Home and Country. Parties.
Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Tom, Gregg
Capricorn is one of the most stable and serious of the zodiac types. These independent, rocklike characters have many sterling qualities. They are normally confident, strong willed and calm. They are the major finishers of most projects begun by the 'pioneering' signs.
But, while they have a great respect for authority, they may not be willing to listen to the opinions and suggestions of others. And as the ranking authority figure in a given situation they expect their underlings to be as self- disciplined as they themselves are and to perform every task undertaken to the highest standard. They are often humorless. There is also a tendency to pessimism and melancholy that many Capricorns are unable to keep to themselves: especially if they fail personally.
And mood swings are not the only reason Capricorns deserve the adjective based on their name - capricious. They can be surprisingly and suddenly witty and subtle for the quiet, reserved individuals they seem to be. But they also have a tendency to ruin things by unexpected and utterly irresponsible bouts of flippancy.
Additionally, Capricorns are very status-minded. Even if their immediate finances don't permit an extravagant lifestyle, January-born can unconsciously adopt the mores, attitudes and mannerisms of the elite. The trappings of success are important to these natives not only for personal pleasure but also for the impression they can make on others.
Positive Traits … Practical, prudent and cautious. Ambitious, shrewd and disciplined. Patient and careful. Humorous and reserved.
Negative Traits … Pessimistic and fatalistic. Miserly and grudging.
Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Caryn, (*Wanda and Ian)
It is a Leo’s birthright to lead, and they'll naturally assume center stage without being asked. However, if that authority is questioned, they may abandon a project entirely. Outgoing, spontaneously warm-hearted and plain-spoken (but poor judges of character), Leos are more disillusioned than the average if let down by those they trust.
And, since Leos simply can't function if they're not in a position to lead, they'll brood until that status has been reinstated. However, even after they discover that they've been duped or abandoned, most Leos are too big about it to retaliate. Because they are incapable of actions that are in any way mean, base or underhanded, they have difficulty in recognizing those traits in others. In activities where these lower qualities are essential for success, the majority of Leos tend not to succeed.
And because they see a project in it's grandest perspective, Leo natives have a disdain for details: their chief attribute in any group situation is the unique capacity for the overall manipulation of resources to produce a desired result. So it is not surprising that more wealth is found under Leo than under any other sun sign.
However, a Leo’s faults can be as large in scale as are his virtues, and an excessively negative Leo can be a very unpleasant human being. These Leos will not hesitate to use cunning, lies and trickery to discredit their adversaries. Narcissism, greed for flattery, bombast, pomposity and snobbish superiority can also be characteristic of Leo.
Positive Traits … Dynamic. Generous and warmhearted. Creative and enthusiastic. Broad-minded, expansive and magnanimous. Faithful and loving.
Negative Traits … Pompous and patronizing. Bossy and interfering. Dogmatic and intolerant.
Dislikes … Doing things safely. The ordinary. Small minded people. Penny pinching. Mean spiritedness.
Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Jolanda, Jeff Probst
Scorpios are the most intense, profound and powerful characters in the zodiac. There is a harnessed aggression, an immense forcefulness, magnetic intensity and often strangely hypnotic personality in their tranquil, but watchful, composure.
Yet they are deeply sensitive and easily moved by their emotions. And that sensitivity, together with a propensity for extreme likes and dislikes, make them easily hurt: quick to detect or imagine insult or injury to themselves and easily aroused to ferocious anger. And because they relate to their fellows only as leaders, they can be blunt to those they dislike to the point of cruelty.
Fortunate that their strong reasoning powers are tempered with imagination and intuition and that these gifts are usually accompanied by critical perception and analytical capacity, Scorpios often find fulfillment in the ice-cold self-control and detachment of the surgeon or soldier and the concentration of the research scientist. And any profession in which investigation and analysis are relevant may attract these charismatic "twice-born" characters. They may also become masters of the written and spoken word. This sun sign includes among its natives more geniuses than does any other.
At the other extreme is the procrastinator: the man or woman who is capable of so much that they do nothing and become indolent and self-indulgent: requiring extravagant praise and flattery from those whom they make their cronies.
Positive Traits … Loyal and truthful. Determined. Persistent and forceful. Emotional and intuitive. Powerful and passionate. Exciting and magnetic.
Negative Traits … Jealous and resentful. Compulsive and obsessive. Secretive and obstinate.
Likes … Truth. Clandestine causes. Involvement. Meaningful work. Being persuasive.
Dislikes … Being Used. Demeaning tasks. Shallow relationships.
THE SUBORDINATES (“Follow …”)
Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Katie
Gemini, the sign of the Twins, is dual-natured, elusive, complex and contradictory. To them, life is a game that must always be full of fresh moves and continuous entertainment and free of labor and routine.
Their good qualities are attractive and come easily to them. They are affectionate, courteous, kind, generous, and thoughtful - provided none of the activities resulting from expressing these traits interferes too greatly with their own lives and comforts. And in social situations, even at their worst they are never dull - there is usually playfulness below the surface and they can be exhilarating conversationalists. But, like chameleons, they reflect every change in their environment and can become pessimistic, sullen, peevish and self-centered prattlers, boasters, liars and cheats if circumstances force them to struggle in any way.
Gemini have a keen and intuitive intelligence. They love cerebral challenges and their mental agility and energy give them a voracious appetite for knowledge (though they dislike the labor of learning). So that, although their intellect is strongly analytical and sometimes gives them so great an ability to see both sides of a question that they vacillate and find it hard to make decisions, their cleverness and ingenuity may also very well be used to control and unify the duality of their natures into a most efficient unit. If faced with difficulties, they have little determination to worry at a problem until they find a solution - they will pick the brains of others.
Any work that combines quick-wittedness with a change of surroundings suits Gemini. They are often skilled manipulators of language and are usually very successful diplomats, academics, authors, poets, journalists and lawyers (albeit they are more brilliant than profound and more interested in theory than in practice). And any and every sales venue is, of course, sweet home to them.
Positive Traits … Adaptable and versatile. Communicative, witty and amusing. Intellectual and eloquent. Youthful and lively. Inquisitive.
Negative Traits … Nervous and tense. Superficial and inconsistent. Cunning.
Likes … Talk/Gossip. The new and the unusual. Variety. Mult-tasking. Reading.
Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Kimberly, Ibrehem, Jennifer
Pisceans are deservedly popular with all kinds of people in part because their easygoing, affectionate, malleable and submissive natures offer no threat or challenge to stronger and more exuberant characters. But they will not be able to maintain for very long friendships or associations with those who are too materialistic.
And because their natures are often too otherworldly for practical purposes (they tend to exist emotionally rather than rationally and instinctively rather than intellectually), the nine-to-five life is not easy for them.
The challenge to Pisces natives, then, is to somehow integrate their affinity with the more subtle planes into constructive working relationships. Fortunately, Pisceans are usually versatile and intuitive; quickly master new skills; observe and listen well; and are receptive to new ideas and atmospheres. And all these factors can combine to produce remarkable creativity in literature, music and art. Similarly, in medicine and social work, Pisceans find an outlet for their compassion and mercy while their professional statures curb the likelihood of their being taken advantage of. And, if they're typical March-born, they are not elitists: saint, sinner, murderer, thief, liar, rich or poor - deserving or undeserving - the Piscean instinctively recognizes the worth of the individual and can overlook the apparent causes of their circumstances.
However, they are better working either by themselves or in subordinate positions. Most would be afraid to manage more than a small department, worrying always that they would fail in a crisis.
Positive Traits … Humble. Imaginative and sensitive. Compassionate and kind. Selfless and unworldly. Intuitive and sympathetic.
Negative Traits … Escapist. Secretive and vague. Weak-willed and easily manipulated.
Likes … Dreamy solitude. Mystery. The past to remain the past. The ridiculous.
Dislikes … The obvious. Criticism. Confusion. Pedantry.
Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Ashlee, Bobby Jon
The Taurus characteristics are solidity, practicality, extreme determination and strength of will - no one will ever drive them, but they will willingly and loyally follow a leader they trust. They are stable, balanced, conservative and law-abiding citizens and lovers of peace (possessing all the best qualities of the bourgeoisie). They will do everything in their power to maintain the security of the status quo.
So, on rare occasions a Taurus may be an obstinately and exasperatingly self-righteous, unoriginal, rigid, ultraconservative, argumentative and querulous bore: stuck in a self-centered rut. And, whether their characters are positive or negative, they need someone to stroke their egos with a frequent, "Well Done!" Luckily, Taurus have a knack for attracting praise. It is amazing how people will bend over backwards to please them.
They are faithful and generous friends with a great capacity for affection. But they rarely establish intimacies outside their social rank (to which they are ordinarily excessively loyal). And in the main, they are gentle, even-tempered, good-natured, modest and slow to anger. If they are provoked, however, they can explode into violent, uncontrolled outbursts. Equally unexpected are their occasional sallies into humor and exhibitions of fun.
The Taurus has a strong aesthetic taste. And allied to his appreciation of all things beautiful is a love for the good things of life: pleasure, comfort, luxury and good food and wine.
In their work, Taurus are industrious and ambitious: unafraid of getting their hands dirty and at their best in routine positions of trust and responsibility where there is little need of urgency, little risk of change and a pension at the end. Yet they are creative and are also often founders of enterprises where the fruits are of their own labors.
Positive Traits … Patient and reliable. Warmhearted, loving and affectionate. Persistent, determined and enduring. Placid, stable and trustworthy.
Negative Traits … Jealous and possessive. Resentful and inflexible. Self-indulgent and greedy
Likes … Stability. Intrigue. Things Natural. Time to Ponder. Comfort and Pleasure.
Dislikes … Disruption. Being hurried/harried. Synthetics or imitations. Being indoors.
Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Jonathan, Coby (*Wanda and Ian)
Virgo is the only sun sign represented by a female and it is sometimes thought of as a delicate young girl and sometimes as an intelligent, but rather pedantic and spinsterish, older woman. The latter impression is sometimes confirmed by the Virgo’s precision, refinement, fastidiousness, conventionality and aristocratic attitude of reserve. They are usually observant, shrewd, critically-inclined, judicious, patient and practical.
Both sexes have considerable charm and dignity and in their unassuming, cheerful and agreeable fashion, they can be sensible, discreet, well-spoken, wise and witty. But while in many respects Virgos are the epitome of social grace and propriety, their sterling etiquette is more apt to be scripted than spontaneous: the result of careful thought and hours of mental practice.
Intellectually, Virgo is enquiring, methodical and logical, studious and teachable. They combine mental ingenuity with the ability to produce a clear analysis of the most complicated problems. Thoroughness, hard work and conscientiousness are their hallmarks. They have an excellent eye for detail but they may be so meticulous that they neglect larger issues. And, because of their ability to see every angle of a multi-faceted problem, they are as unhappy with abstract theories as they are with intractable philosophies: placing no confidence in either.
Moreover, for as much as his intellect aids analysis, it also abets the Virgo’s compulsion to criticize. Nothing escapes these perfectionists’ eyes. And in their scrutiny of incongruities, these natives leave no stone … nor anyone … unexamined: as critical, and unforgiving, of themselves as they are of others. So that they may bring the art of self-concealment to a high pitch (hiding their apprehensions about themselves and their often considerable sympathy with other people under the mantle of an undemonstrative clinician) with the result that they shrink from committing themselves to friendship, make few relationships, and are careful to keep those they do make superficial.
Given their qualities, Virgos are much more effective in subordinate rather than leadership positions. Responsibility irks them and they often lack the breadth of strategic vision that leadership requires. They are essentially tacticians and excel at the attainment of limited objectives: needing the stimuli of immediacy and prestige attendant to specialization.
Positive Traits … Modest and shy. Meticulous and reliable. Practical and diligent. Intelligent and analytical.
Negative Traits … Fussy and fretful. Overcritical and harsh.
Likes … Lists. Cleanliness. Order. Wholesomeness.
Dislikes … Health Hazards. The sordid. Shoddy workmanship. Squalor. Uncertainty.
THE SOLOISTS (“Or get out of the way!”)
Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Angie
Adventurous, ambitious, impulsive, enthusiastic and full of energy, the Arien is a trailblazer: open to new ideas and a lover of freedom. They welcome opposition and will not be diverted from their purposes except by their own impatience or boredom. The childlike enthusiasm of these entrepreneurs and revolutionaries is infectious, and their ability to rouse others to interest in a project or cause is unparalleled. But the Mars-ruled are initiators -- not perpetuators.
Because their approach to life is somewhat simplistic, what Aries can accomplish without a lot of distracting nuances and complexities to slow him down is staggering. Don't, however, put them in a position where they'll have to deal with complex emotions or with a problem requiring delicate handling or subtlety. They're simply not equipped for it.
And, much concerned with personal advancement and physical satisfaction (self-reliant but also self-centered), Aries do not work well under authority unless they, too, have subordinates. In fact, they may be too self-sufficient and proud to acknowledge they have a boss and often take matters into their own hands (disregarding authority absolutely). Ask an Aries how many times he's been fired, and he'll probably tell you more than once.
In personal relationships Ariens are frank, direct and candid: gregarious and generous friends. However, their immense energy can also make them aggressive and restless, argumentative, headstrong, quick-tempered and easily offended: of all the zodiac’s natives, an Aries will most readily haul off and punch a nose.
And while the Arien is not the least bit calculating (in most instances, he'll simply tell it like it is before he's had a chance to think about the consequences), he does crave admiration and praise. So that while he won’t usually lie (in contradiction of his straightforward nature), he'll often exaggerate the truth in his own favor or simply in order to stamp it with his individuality.
Intellectually, Ariens are quick-witted, usually objective, and inspirationally optimistic: irreplaceable champions of lost causes and last-ditch stands. But they can also become extremists: foolhardy and dogmatic zealots whose enormous talents and vibrant personalities become a hindrance (if not a threat) to the welfare of the society in which they move.
Positive Traits … Original. Adventurous and energetic. Pioneering and courageous. Enthusiastic, confident and direct. Dynamic, enterprising and quick-witted.
Negative Traits … Selfish and quick-tempered. Impulsive and impatient. Foolhardy.
Likes … Action. Coming in first. Challenges. Causes. Spontaneity.
Dislikes … Waiting. Admitting Failure. Lack of opposition. Tyranny. Advice.
Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Jeff
Noted for their altruistic and progressive natures, Aquarians possess strong-willed, forceful and attractive personalities that present themselves as one or the other of two core types: the first shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the second exuberant, lively and exhibitionist. Both types are humane, frank, serious-minded, genial, refined and often ethereal and idealistic (though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality). And both – because Aquarians also possess an innate appreciation of diversity and a sustaining confidence in their own convictions – are extremely tolerant of the behaviors and opinions of others.
There is, however, a bit of rebellion in every visionary Aquarian. Quick, active and persevering (usually interacting with others with reason, moderation and good humor), the Aquarian’s distain for the status quo – unlike the social activism of Sagittarius or the overt revolt of Aries – is most usually held in check by a quiet optimism: that things, given time and patient crusade, will improve. Rather, his more subtle rebellion most usually manifests itself in unconventional dress or grooming, erratic behaviors and wry (but devastating) sarcasm.
Moreover, despite the magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the extrovert Aquarian and the humanistic traits of both types, neither makes friends readily. They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted condescending and cold. Even in the intimate companionship that they instinctively seek, they are fiercely independent. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms.
But once they decide that another is worthy of their friendship, Aquarians are tenacious and extraordinarily loyal compatriots. However, if they are deceived their anger is terrible. And if disillusioned (usually because their own idealism causes them to demand more of others than is reasonable) Aquarians do not forgive.
Aquarians work most effectively within a group environment: provided that they are recognized as having a leading role in the project. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists: most especially astronomers and natural historians. They also excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and all other things technical. They are often gifted in the performing arts: their talent for mimicry and parody serves them well as character actors or comedians. Their avant garde tendencies are often expressed in writing (most usually poetry), public service broadcasting and musical innovation. And their altruism may find its voice in welfare fields or education.
Positive Traits … Friendly, humanitarian and progressive. Honest and loyal. Original, ingenious, and experimental. Independent and intellectual.
Negative Traits … Intractable and contrary. Perverse and unpredictable. Unemotional and detached.
Likes … Causes. Planning for the Future. Reminiscing. Companionship. Fun.
Dislikes … Exaggerated promises. Loneliness. The Ordinary. Imitations/Phonies.
Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … (**Janu)
Libra is ruled by the planet Venus and symbolized by Scales of Balance. Similarly, the natives of Libra are the very personification of refinement and affection, endearing you with their genteel manner and melting your heart with their ingratiating smiles. But don't let all that sugar and spice fool you: the October-born can be as quarrelsome, as irritable and as intractable as any sign in the zodiac, and then some. Libra is the sign of balance, and just as a set of scales will teeter back and forth before achieving a new balance, Libra will vacillate to and fro between extremes: mental, emotional or physical. When the Libra does make a decision, however, you can probably bank on its integrity. The polar opposite of the subjective Aries, the Libran is quite capable of objective judgment: irrespective of his own tastes, mores, philosophies or preferences. Perhaps this is why there are more judges born under Libra than under any sun sign and why the Scales have come to represent our system of justice.
These are very social human beings. They loathe cruelty, viciousness and vulgarity. And they detest overt conflict. So they do their best to cooperate and compromise with everyone around them. Their ideal for their own circle (and for society as a whole) is unity. And their cast of mind is artistic rather than intellectual.
However, once they have reached a conclusion they will not tolerate a divergent opinion: among their faults is an impatience of criticism and a greed for approval. Moreover, the negative Libran character may show frivolity, flirtatiousness and shallowness. It can be changeable and indecisive, impatient of routine, colorlessly conventional and timid, easygoing to the point of inertia and inappropriately docile: yet Librans can shock everyone around them with sudden, and inexplicable, storms of rage.
The Libran flair for tact and diplomacy is unparalleled in the zodiac. And in business and diplomatic relations, the Libra is able (far more often than not) to accomplish what he desires without destroying relationships that could be valuable to him in the future. But the ease with which they pursue any argument can sometimes make you wonder where the Libra really stands. Nothing irritates the Libran's harmonizing intellect more than one-dimensional thinking. So, if they think your line of reasoning is too pat or simplistic, they'll purposely take the opposing view.
And while 'Lazy Libra' is a common phrase, those who would casually ascribe laziness to October-born have never seen them in their more productive moods. Once they have committed themselves to a goal, Librans can become powerhouses: using their well-ordered intellects to accomplish in leaps and bounds tasks that might encumber other signs. The trouble is that in planning any endeavor, October-born can get so lost in the endless labyrinth of strategies, factors and options which have to be weighed and evaluated by their logical minds that their procrastination can give you the best portrayal of laziness you've ever seen. He'll yawn, stretch, and then lie down (as if exhausted): all with such convincing lassitude that it will make you tired just watching him.
Positive Traits … Artistic. Harmonious and suave. Diplomatic and urbane. Romantic and charming. Easygoing and sociable. Idealistic and peaceable.
Negative Traits … Indecisive and changeable. Gullible and easily influenced. Flirtatious and self-indulgent.
Likes … The finer things in life. Sharing. Conviviality. Gentleness.
Dislikes … Violence. Injustice. Brutishness. Being a slave to fashion.
Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Stephanie, Willard
Sagittarians have a positive outlook on life and are full of enterprise, energy, versatility and adventure: eager to extend experience beyond the physically familiar. They delight in travel and exploration: the Sagittarian is genuinely intrigued by foreign cultures. And when their finances preclude traipsing the globe, undeterred Sagittarians travel in their minds.
Ambitious and optimistic (even when their hopes are dashed), their strongly idealistic natures are able to withstand disappointments without being affected. They are honorable, honest, trustworthy, truthful, generous and sincere (with a passion for justice). And they are usually on the side of the underdog and are prepared to be rebellious.
Non-conformists, Sagittarians hate being bound to rigid social confines or pigeonholed into strict routines that don't give them plenty of breathing room. Even more than physical restrictions, they'll loathe mental confinement. Sagittarians have both profound and broad minds: equipped with foresight, good judgment and keen intuition. As a result, they are often fascinating conversationalists and correspondents. Think Mark Twain. Think Sagittarius.
And in a curious twist of fate, Sagittarians, who are often accused of clumsiness, are also credited with extraordinary grace and coordination when engaged in purposeful physical activity: most particularly sports and dance. In everyday activities, however, the Sagittarian can be surprisingly less dignified. Though the December-born athlete may break the record for high jump, he'll stumble over his shoelaces walking onto the field. And the Sagittarian ballerina may execute pirouettes with perfect form on stage but stub her toe on the kitchen table at home. Yet these contradictory characteristics somehow find a happy coexistence in the Sagittarian personality.
Their gifts fit Sagittarians for a number of widely differing professions. But they are much more adept at adapting than inventing and are at their best when working with colleagues whose talents compliment, rather than compete with, their own.
And Sagittarians can sometimes be exacting, domineering and inconsiderate in the work place: scorning the inadequacies of others while expecting fulsome recognition of their own skills and effort. Moreover, they can be (and frequently are) impulsively angry. And, when angry, both male and female Sagittarians can be vicious: employing those words or actions that will most severely wound their adversary with precision. On the other hand, they are magnanimous in forgiving offenses and quick to make amends for their own intemperance.
And, more apt then the average to make an uncongenial alliance, their innate restlessness (which, if excessive, often jeopardizes more than their own stability) will often compel them to use even the most satisfying ménage as a base from which to … depart.
Positive Traits … Optimistic and freedom-loving. Jovial and good-humored. Scrupulous and frank. Intellectual and philosophical.
Negative Traits … Blindly optimistic and careless. Irresponsible and superficial. Tactless and restless.
Likes … Traveling. Getting to the heart of the matter. Freedom. Laws and meanings. The passing parade.
Dislikes … Off-the-wall theories. Being constrained. Postponements. Details.
* Wanda and Ian share a birthday (August 24th) and the cusp sign Leo/Virgo. And it is interesting to note their eccentric/conflicted behaviors: particularly the latter’s Virgo peevishness when Tom intruded into and triumphed in “his” niche (food procurement) and his Leo proclivities as evidenced by his biography. Were I Tom, I would rather have Ian beside me than across from me.
** None of Janu’s online biographies include her date of birth. So my conjecture concerning her sun sign is just that. But it seems to me that what we have seen of Janu suggests that she is a Libra: including her judicious observation that Stephanie’s tears at that infamous Tribal Council were neither the product of desperation (Stephanie, unlike Tom in the prelude to the succeeding Council, made no “plea” ) nor a stratagem, but rather the spontaneous manifestation of an intense anger occasioned by inequity and stupidity and constrained by circumstance (unable to cuss, she cried). So …
Have I mentioned the (1) one-upped Leo/Virgo, (Ian)? Not to mention the (2) shunned Virgo who wanted nothing more than inclusion and an occasional pat on the head, (Coby).
Have I mentioned the (3) idealistic Libra, (**Janu)? Have I mentioned the (4) thoroughly outraged Sagittarius, Stephanie?
Not to mention the quintessentially two-faced and brilliantly manipulative Gemini, (Katie).
Have I mentioned the capricious Capricorn … Tom? Not to mention the elitist Capricorn … Gregg.
Have I mentioned stupidity?
And, has anyone else noticed that the cast of Survivor Palau contains representatives of … if Janu is, indeed, a Libra … every sun sign? Coincidentally? Deliberately? Predictably?
And, does anyone else wonder if, given the results of the experiment, Mark Burnett will ever again begin proceedings by requiring the cast to choose sides?
And finally:
1. Might the “junk science” of Astrology be another useful (albeit imperfect) tool in the spoiling/forecast of tribal dynamics and jury decisions? 2. Keeping in mind your ideal Survivor scenario, which sun signs would you cast and in what number would you cast each? 3. If you don’t mind sharing: your sun sign or birthday (mm/dd)?
1. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
October 18, Libra. I'm ashamed to have a quitter perhaps be on the same zodiac. I actually think we should have a thread like this at the beginning of every season. Good analysis and observation.
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Re: "October 18, Libra. I'm ashamed to have a quitter perhaps be on the same zodiac."
ohmyheck,
And I'm ashamed that I began a thread on this topic and then misjudged Janu's Sign! But, for the record, I liked her.
My parents are, with Janu, Taurus natives (who, like you Libras, value harmony and comfort). And throughout my misguided youth they voiced their frequent exasperation with my Sagittarian irresponsibility by exclaiming: "You don't have the good sense to come in out of the rain!"
Well, Janu did. And she did it with style. And, if my parents watched Survivor (they don't), they would have applauded her.
But then, I think that they bear the responsibility for my mistake in the first place: I can't imagine either one of them in a Vegas chorus line ...
And
Re: "I actually think we should have a thread like this at the beginning of every season."
Check back on Sunday. I've been known to meet a self-imposed deadline or two. As long as it doesn't rain!
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Alchemist,
Well, Palau was almost interesting ...
And I think that Survivor Guatemala: The Maya Empire is guaranteed to be. Because, only partially due to the fact that we'll have no Aries, no Libras (whatever a Libra did to Mark Burnett, he's never gotten over it!), no Pisces, and no Sagittarius (unless Stephenie does, indeed, make an appearance), we have the most unbalanced cast in the history of the show:
Eleven Chiefs (Superiors)
Three Indians (Subordinates) ... unless BobbyJon arrives with his work ethic slung over a shoulder
And only two (sans Stephenie) Renegades (Soloists)
Close seconds ( if the vanquished Ulongs return): Borneo (where the weight was also at the top) and Palau (with a fat ... and I'm not speaking of Katie's ... midsection).
But it is in the initial two tribes' Palau-like compositions that I think the Maya tale will be told. I also think that it will have a much different ending (for starters: there are three female Scorpios and, for the moment, no Subordinates at Yaxha).
28. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
LAST EDITED ON 05-19-05 AT 10:28 PM (EST)
Well, the title was a rather ham-handed way of asking if the two Capricorns (Tom and Gregg) could count to four, wasn’t it? And as it turns out, one of the two managed to count from four to a million. Quite handily. But, I take some small comfort in the fact that he did have to take his shoes off to do it.
And I’m really glad that all of your fingers are present and accounted for: for several (most of them altruistic) reasons. But, also because I would appreciate it very much if you could use them to tell me where (how?) I can find the posts by OFG. After reading your reply, I tried searching the archives by author with no result.
I don’t want to miss them. They come impressively recommended!
PS: The awful puns in the first paragraph are, regrettably, intentional.
4. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
Interseting to note:
Season 1: Richard April 8 Aries Kelly June 24 Cancer
Season 2: Tina Dec 26 Capricorn Colby April 1 Aries Keith Feb 11 Aquarius (Many thought Colby should have taken Keith to finals in order for him to win, if he had, he would have been 2nd Aries to win)
Season 3: Ethan Nov 12 Scorpio Kim J. Sept 18 Virgo Lex June 18 Gemini (Many thought KJ should have taken Lex to finals, I don't think she would have won anyway)
Season 4: Vecepia Dec 9 Sagittarius Neleh Feb 19 Cusp Aquarius Kathy Jan 6 Capricorn
Season 5: Brian Mar 9 Taurus Clay Dec 30 Capricorn
Season 6: Jenna Feb 15 Aquarius Matthew July 24 Gemini Rob C. Oct 20 Libra
Season 7: Sandra July 30 Leo Lill April 3 Aries Jon Mar 11 Pisces
Season 8: Amber Aug 11 Leo Rob M. Dec 25 Capricorn
29. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
LAST EDITED ON 06-05-05 AT 01:26 AM (EST)
KObrien_fan,
Your post sent me shopping, and here's what I brought home! But, I've been so busy sorting the bags that I haven't had time yet to really look at all the goodies inside.
Two things really stand out, though:
1. Either (a) there are a lot less Libras than there are the rest of us, (b) Libras are boycotting Survivor or (c) a Survivor VIP's ex-spouse is a Libra (and a particularly disliked one at that!).
2. There seems to be more than one way to pack a jury (and broaden an audience at the same time). For instance, the Subordinate signs have, in 23 votes, cast only two for one of their "own".
urvivors By Their Seasons …
Superiors (“Lead …”) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Kelly, Jenna L. Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Susan, Stacy Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Gervase Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo … Greg, BB, Ramona (Capricorn/Aquarius), Rudy (Capricorn/Aquarius)
Subordinates (“Follow”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Dirk Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … None Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … None Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … None
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Joel, Richard Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … None Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Sean, Colleen Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Gretchen, Sonja, Ramona (Capricorn/Aquarius), Rudy (Capricorn/Aquarius)
THE VOTE
***ARIES/RICHARD
****CANCER/KELLY
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Capricorn/Greg
Cancer/Jenna L.
(**Capricorn/Aquarius)/Rudy
Scorpio/Gervase
*Leo/Susan
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
None
None
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
Sagittarius/Sean
Sagittarius/Colleen
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …”) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Rodger Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Tina, Kel Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Amber Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Kimmi
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Elisabeth, Debb Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Mitchell Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Alicia Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Michael, Jerri
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Maralyn, Keith Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Jeff, Nick, Colby Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … None Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … None
THE VOTE
***CAPRICORN/TINA
****ARIES/COLBY
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Leo/Amber
Cancer/Rodger
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
*Gemini/Elizabeth
Taurus/Alicia
Virgo/Jerry
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
**Aquarius/Keith
Aires/Nick
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …”) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Frank Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … None Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Tom, Ethan Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Linda, Clarence (Sagittarius/Capricorn)
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Lex, Carl Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … None Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Kelly, Teresa, Diane Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Kim J., Lindsey, Jessie (Virgo/Libra)
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Brandon, Silas Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … None Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … Jessie (Virgo/Libra) Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Kim P., Clarence (Sagittarius/Capricorn)
THE VOTE
***SCORPIO/ETHAN
****VIRGO/KIM J.
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Cancer/Frank
*Scorpio/Tom
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
**Gemini/Lex
Taurus/Teresa
Taurus/Kelly
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
Aquarius/Brandon
Sagittarius/Kim P.
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …”) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Hunter, Gabriel, Tammy Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Sarah, Sean Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … None Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Kathy, Peter, Rob M. (Sagittarius/Capricorn)
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … John, Robert (The General) Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … None Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … None Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Zoe, Paschal, Neleh (Aquarius/Pisces)
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Gina, Neleh (Aquarius/Pisces) Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Patricia Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … None Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Vecepia, Rob M. (Sagittarius/Capricorn)
THE VOTE
***SAGITTARIUS/VECEPIA
****(AQUARIUS/PISCES)/NELEH
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Cancer/Tammy
**Capricorn/Kathy
Leo/Sean
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
Gemini/John
*Pisces/Paschal
Gemini/Robert
Pisces/Zoe
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
None
None
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …” ) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … None Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Clay, Ted, Ghandia, Erin Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Jake Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Stephanie D., Jan
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Ken Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Brian, John Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Helen, Penny Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Robb
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Shii Ann Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … None Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … None Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Jed, Tanya
THE VOTE
****PISCES/BRIAN
***CAPRICORN/CLAY
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Capricorn/Ted
Capricorn/Erin
Leo/Jake
**Scorpio/Jan
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
*Taurus/Helen
Taurus/Penny
Gemini/Ken
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
None
None
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …”) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … None Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Jeanne, Dave Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Shawna, Matthew Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Janet, Heidi
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … None Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … None Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Alex, JoAnna Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Butch, Christy
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Deena, Jenna M., Ryan Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … None Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … Rob C. , Roger Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Daniel
THE VOTE
****AQUARIUS/JENNA M.
***LEO/MATTHEW
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Capricorn/Dave
Scorpio/Heidi
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
Taurus/Alex
*Virgo/Butch
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
Aquarius/Deena
**Libra/Rob C.
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …”) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Tijuana (Cancer/Leo) Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Michelle Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Christa, Trish Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Sandra, Andrew, Ryan, Tijuana (Cancer/Leo)
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … None Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Jon Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Darrah Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Shawn, Nicole
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Rupert Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Burton, Lillian, Ryan Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … None Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Osten
THE VOTE
***LEO/SANDRA
****ARIES/LILLIAN
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Scorpio/Christa
(Cancer/Leo)/Tijuana
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
**Pisces/Jon
*Taurus/Darrah
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
Aquarius/Rupert
Aries/Burton
Aries/Ryan
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …”) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Jenna L. Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Amber, Susan Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Ethan, Tom Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Kathy, Tina, Rudy (Capricorn/Aquarius), Rob M. (Sagittarius/Capricorn)
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Lex Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … None Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Alicia Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Jerri
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Colby, Richard Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … Rob C. Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Rob M. (Sagittarius/Capricorn) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Jenna M., Rupert, Shii Ann, Rudy (Capricorn/Aquarius)
THE VOTE
***LEO/AMBER
****(SAGITTARIUS/CAPRICORN)/ROB M.
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Scorpio/Tom
**Cancer/Jenna L.
Capricorn/Kathy
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
Gemini/Lex
Taurus/Alicia
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
Aquarius/Shii Ann
*Aquarius/Rupert
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …” ) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … Leann Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Eliza Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Mia, Chad Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Scout, Rory, Brook, Dolly
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … None Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Travis (Aquarius/Pisces) Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Lisa, John P. Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Chris
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Lea Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … Twila, John K. Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Julie, Brady Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Ami, Travis (Aquarius/Pisces)
THE VOTE
****VIRGO/CHRIS
***LIBRA/TWILA
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Cancer/Leann
**Scorpio/Scout
*Capricorn/Eliza
Leo/Chad
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
None
None
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
Aries/Sarge
Aquarius/Ami
Sagittarius/Julie
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
Superiors (“Lead …” ) Cancer (Compatible with Scorpio and Pisces) … James Capricorn (Compatible with Taurus and Virgo) … Tom, Gregg Scorpio (Compatible with Pisces and Cancer) … Jolanda Leo (Compatible with Sagittarius and Aries) … Caryn, Ian (Leo/Virgo), Wanda (Leo/Virgo)
Subordinates (“Follow …”) Gemini (Compatible with Libra and Aquarius) … Katie Pisces (Compatible with Cancer and Scorpio) … Kimberly, Jennifer, Ibrehem, Taurus (Compatible with Virgo and Capricorn) … Bobby Jon, Ashlee, Janu Virgo (Compatible with Capricorn and Taurus) … Coby, Jonathan, Ian (Leo/Virgo), Wanda (Leo/Virgo)
Soloists (“Or Get Out Of The Way!”) Aquarius (Compatible with Gemini and Libra) … Jeff Aries (Compatible with Leo and Sagittarius) … Angie Libra (Compatible with Gemini and Aquarius) … None Sagittarius (Compatible with Aries and Leo) … Stephenie, Willard
THE VOTE
****CAPRICORN/TOM
***GEMINI/KATIE
THE SUPERIORS
THE SUPERIORS
Capricorn/Gregg
Leo/Caryn
**(Leo/Virgo)/Ian
THE SUBORDINATES
THE SUBORDINATES
Taurus/Janu
Virgo/Coby
*Pisces/Jennifer
THE SOLOISTS
THE SOLOISTS
Sagittarius/Stephenie
*Final 4 **Final 3 ***Final 2 ****Final Immunity
urvivors By Their Signs …
CAPRICORN
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
19
8
13
2
TAURUS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
17
9
0
0
SCORPIO
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
16
7
5
1
LEO
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
15
6
11
2
AQUARIUS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
15
7
6
1
SAGITTARIUS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
14
5
4
1
VIRGO
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
14
4
7
1
ARIES
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
12
4
8
1
PISCES
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
12
4
4
1
CANCER
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
10
6
3
0
GEMINI
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
10
6
1
0
LIBRA
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
4
1
2
0
AQUARIUS/PISCES
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
2
0
3
0
CAPRICORN/AQUARIUS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
2
1
0
0
LEO/VIRGO
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
2
1
0
0
SAGITTARIUS/CAPRICORN
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
2
0
3
0
CANCER/LEO
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
1
1
0
0
urvivors By Their Societies ...
CAPRICORN, TAURUS, VIRGO
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
50
21
20
3
Capricorn jurors have voted for … Aquarius (1), Aquarius/Pisces (1), Aries (1), Capricorn (2), Pisces (1), Virgo (1), Sagittarius/Capricorn (1) Taurus jurors have voted for … Aquarius (1), Capricorn (3), Leo (2), Pisces (1), Scorpio (2) Virgo jurors have voted for … Aquarius (1), Capricorn (1), Leo (1), Gemini (1)
ARIES, LEO, SAGITTARIUS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
41
15
23
4
Aries jurors have voted for … Aries (1), Leo (2), Virgo (1) Leo jurors have voted for … Aries (2), Pisces (1), Sagittarius (1), Virgo (1), Capricorn (1) Sagittarius jurors have voted for … Aries (1), Cancer (1), Virgo (2), Capricorn (1)
CANCER, PISCES, SCORPIO
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
38
17
12
2
Cancer jurors have voted for … Aries (1), Cancer (1), Sagittarius/Capricorn (1), Sagittarius (1), Scorpio (1), Virgo (1) Pisces jurors have voted for … Aquarius/Pisces (2), Leo (1), Capricorn (1) Scorpio jurors have voted for … Aquarius (1), Cancer (1), Leo (2), Libra (1), Pisces (1), Scorpio (1)
AQUARIUS, GEMINI, LIBRA
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
29
14
8
1
Aquarius jurors have voted for … Aquarius (1), Capricorn (1), Leo (2), Libra (1), Virgo (1), Sagittarius/Capricorn (1) Gemini jurors have voted for … Capricorn (2), Leo (1), Sagittarius (2), Scorpio (1) Libra jurors have voted for … Aquarius (1)
THE CUSPS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
10
3
6
0
They have voted for … Superiors/Capricorn (1), Subordinates (0), Soloists/Aries (2)
urvivors By Their Structures ...
THE SUPERIORS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
60
27
32
5
They have voted for … Superiors (9), Subordinates (6), Soloists (9), Cusps (3)
THE SUBORDINATES
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
53
23
12
2
They have voted for … Superiors (15), Subordinates (2), Soloists (4), Cusps (2)
THE SOLOISTS
SURVIVORS
JURORS
VOTES RECEIVED
SOLE SURVIVORS
45
17
20
3
They have voted for … Superiors (7), Subordinates (4), Soloists (5), Cusps (1)
5. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
A thoroughly enjoyable thread to read, may I say.
An addendum to Coby: Virgos are also known to be neat freaks, as we saw with Coby's displeasure on the cleanliness of the camp and his removal of the shark's head.
I myself am a Virgo, but like Ian/Wanda, am on the cusp (Aug. 25) so I didn't pick up the neatness part, sadly.
It's too bad we can't figure out their ascendent signs. As my name would suggest, that's where all the fun is.
30. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
Thank you, LibraRising, for the kind words. This has been a fun thing to do and I was delighted with the response. I can’t wait for the terrific spoilers here to begin to find out the names (and birth dates) of the Survivors now in Guatemala! And, given “While Europe was in the dark ages, it was the Maya who harnessed the knowledge of the stars and the celestial movements to create a mystical union of man, nature and the Gods.” from Jeff Probst, I also can’t wait to find out if the prominence of Astrology in Mayan culture is going to play a thematic role in the new season.
As to missing the “neatness part” of being a Virgo: Rejoice!
My youngest daughter is a Virgo and watching poor Coby (my favorite Survivor) squirm, stew and spew was like sitting through a home video. She makes lists (and actually follows them … religiously). Her home is frighteningly clean, her husband is sinfully pampered, her dogs and my grandchildren are always meticulously groomed, well behaved and disgustingly happy and she has never (from the moment she no longer had to depend on her day-late-and-dollar-short mother to drive her) been a minute late to anything.
Worse: she is wonderful company, a fantastic hostess and a master strategist. But, unlike Coby, she is unfailingly successful at the last: my Taurus mother has already announced that her crystal, china and silverware will go directly from her own to her granddaughter’s hands (where it won’t be broken, left unpolished or “pawned to finance another trip to Timbuktu”). And that last is a direct (and, I suspect, Virgo-scripted) quote.
Think of it this way: you’ll never have the burden of knowing that your Mom wants nothing more than to grow up to be just like you …
36. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Ahem. We plan ahead so well we have an extra six, just in case. "
LAST EDITED ON 08-13-05 AT 07:21 AM (EST)
"Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Ahem. We plan ahead so well we have an extra six, just in case."
A gem, Thaibeach! Touché!
"The downside of being a January baby? Try to get people to celebrate your birthday when they're broke, feel fat, and have the post-holiday Grumpies."
You'll get no sympathy from me: I was born on Thanksgiving. Try celebrating your own birthday when you're about to be broke, are fat and have both the post-and-pre-holiday Grumpies! ...
And thank you for Janu's birthdate. When I'm wrong (which is depressingly regularly), it's always a lot easier if I'm wrong for just a little while ...
Scarlett O Hara 3439 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
05-09-05, 04:18 PM (EST)
10. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
LAST EDITED ON 05-09-05 AT 04:29 PM (EST)
Just loved the entertaining reading! Thanks for posting this. I think most of us appreciate the science of Astrology and to be truthful, yes, I think it would add another "dimension" of insight to our spoiling repertoire! After all, there is a lot to be said about our sun signs and how they fit our personalities. And it would surely provide an entertaining understanding of tribal/group dynamics!
Can you guess my sun sign? I'm with emydi, Fester and Flower Power ... another Scorpio! FP and I share a birthday with my Board's name sake Scarlett O'Hara aka Vivien Leigh -- November 5.
33. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
Scarlett …
Thank you for your gracious reply. And although my appreciation of Astrology doesn’t rise to the level of belief in its underlying tenets (simply because I am too undereducated in the field to have developed either a belief or disbelief in them), I certainly join you in expressing it. As I’ve said in other posts, I have never been able to identify any remarkable differences in the results produced by Psychology and Astrology (whether one considers either or both to be an Art or a Science) when behavior, aptitude or personality identification and description is the object of their exercise. Or as you put it (better):
”(Astrology) would add another 'dimension' of insight to our spoiling repertoire! After all, there is a lot to be said about our sun signs and how they fit our personalities. And it would surely provide an entertaining understanding of tribal/group dynamics!”
And to answer your question: No, I would probably never have been able to guess your sign. As I demonstrated with Janu (and Ian – I thought of him as more Virgo than Leo, and his grandiose/grotesque Caryn-like capitulation shocked me), I’m not very good at discerning the sun signs (or predicting the behavior) of zodiac natives other than that of fellow Sagittarians (and not, it would seem, too good at even that: Stephenie’s vote for Tom also surprised me). So, I just hope I’m able to improve the latter skill before Survivor Guatemala – The Maya begins airing.
But, if I had been paying more attention to the glaring clues in your signature and Janu’s biography, I should have been able to: we all, I think, have a tendency to admire our own “famous” faces. For instance: your Scorpio/Vivian Leigh (whose most celebrated role was created in her own image, by yet another Scorpio – Margaret Mitchell); her Taurus/Audrey Hepburn; my Sagittarius and Short (I’m 4’11”) /Bette Midler.
With your permission, though, I’ll claim (for just a moment) just a bit of Miss Mitchell’s creation (my favorite literary and screen persona). To explain …
My birthday is November 26th (a Thanksgiving). But because I am so classically Sagittarian (and because I always thought of Cusps as one-day hitches in Astrology’s get-a-long), I was really surprised to find out (in the course of this exercise) that, very technically, I am a Scorpio/Sagittarius and that the heroine of Gone With The Wind is, very definitely, not the Sagittarius I always envisioned her to be but rather the Scorpio that I never knew I had in me.
However, having given the weighty matter a full ten minutes of thought – the median length of a Sagittarian attention span – during which it became painfully apparent that Scorpio’s genius was not in attendance, I have decided to return to a blissful ignorance of my Cusp condition. The natives of other sun signs have a discomforting tendency to demand that a Scorpio be somebody and do something! Immediately, if not sooner! And then (often enough to be equally discomforting) to attack in force when the Scorpio, quite naturally, obliges them: see Miss Jolanda.
So, lead on, brave Scarlett! I’m right behind you …
PS: I know I’m in jeopardy of talking to myself here -- now. But I appreciated every reply posted to my original message, and I am determined (if it takes me from here-and-now to then-and-Guatemala) to answer each of them.
At least, I think I’m a Sagittarius. But, perhaps I’ll think some more about it. Tomorrow.
12. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
This was a wonderfully interesting read! About 8 or 9 years ago I was on a very long road trip with 5 other people who I was working closely with at the time. As a diversion, our Crew Leader brought a book about the zodiac and read a descriptive passage (much like the ones above) from each of our sun signs...without revealing which sun sign she was reading or whose sign she was reading. We were all able to pick out who she was reading about...it was almost as if the passages were written about those specific people. Very Interesting indeed.
This girl is a Taurus. My birthday is next Monday.
From the above passage RE: TAURUS...I would say the only thing that doesn't really apply to me is the following:
"So, on rare occasions a Taurus may be an obstinately and exasperatingly self-righteous, unoriginal, rigid, ultraconservative, argumentative and querulous bore: stuck in a self-centered rut."
I have, however, frequently seen this characteristic in other Tauri whose birthdays are closer to the Aries-Taurus cusp.
This one:
"And, whether their characters are positive or negative, they need someone to stroke their egos with a frequent, "Well Done!" Luckily, Taurus have a knack for attracting praise. It is amazing how people will bend over backwards to please them."
Definitely fits!! Can you imagine the coniptions I've been going through, not receiving major kudos for every post I've made on this board???!!!??? LOL
The weird part about this, is that I was born a month late...if I had been born on time, I would have been an Aries!! Some of my best male friends and some of my worst female enemies have been Aries.
-montanagirl (Always takes care in a china shop - and only goes in after much careful planning!)
15. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
Well I just celebrated a birthday a few days ago, the big 32! Yikes where has it gone? Being a May 5th birthday means I am a dead center Taurus. When I read about what a Taurus is suppose to be, it really does scare me at times because it’s usually right on.
As a Taurus and being compatible with Virgo and Capricorn, it makes sense that I have been rooting for Tom the Capricorn since pre-show. Have been hoping he wins the million since episode one.
As for the Virgo's Coby and Jonathan, while I didn't feel for Wanda with the way she went out of the game, I did for Jonathan. Now Coby is a bit different because usually I root against the schemers and plotters on a season but with Coby I never really did. Admittedly, I never rooted for him but never against. My love lists in fanatics always had him in the middle of the pack. In other seasons, my love list usually has this type of player towards the bottom of the pack.
Not sure how much validity there is to astrology but being a Taurus that shouldn't surprise you because we need the proof in-front of us to believe It is fun to ponder however. If you could explain from astrology why I truly like Katie and am willing to be in a very small minority of those who adore her, that would be scary!
17. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
Aquarius here. January 23. I don't remember, but I think that I share a birthday with another DAW. Will have to research this...
And yes, am my description to a tee.
I'd be curious to see how these guidelines affect the outcome of each season. It almost seems like this is the pre-discussion to the episode, just as VS's editing thread is the post-discussion. V. potentially interesting spoiling tool!
applejack93 288 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
05-10-05, 08:40 AM (EST)
20. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
LAST EDITED ON 05-10-05 AT 08:43 AM (EST)
I, myself, am Libra - 7 October.
Apparently, there have been fewer Librans on Survivor than any other sign (I read that on ABT when they used to do their Star Sign thing. Actually - is that site still up even?). But obviously a few of them have done very well (Twila, Rob C.).
Wow, are you an astrologist, Georgianna, or is this the result of some painstaking research?
38. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
Hello, applejack ...
As you know by now, I am certainly no Astrologist. And I have to also confess that there really was no "painstaking research". For the most part, I just clicked, copied (edited a bit) and pasted: at 62, with "school" a dim memory, I am unceasingly amazed at how easily information can be gathered and disseminated in the "computer age" ...
But, as to Libras:
At two, you and ohmyheck represent almost 1/2 of the total number of Libras who have been chosen to appear on Survivor! The other three October-born who, in addition to Twila and Rob C., made the "cut" were Jessie (Virgo-Libra/Africa, Roger/Amazon, and John K./Vanatu. Libras have been excluded (now, with the announcement of the cast for Survivor Guatemala: The Maya Empire) from seven of the eleven editions of the show.
And why that's so is one of the puzzles that I hope we can solve during this new season. Because if we can, I think that the answer will provide a valuable glimpse into the vetting process (and the considered mixes and matches) that ... to a large degree ... predetermine each season's editing and outcome.
I have said, half-jokingly, that a Libra must have, at some time, really ticked a Survivor exec off ... mightily. And it may truly be nothing more than that. Or it may be that the Libra personality itself narrows the field of candidates dramatically. But the exclusion (or the limited number of applicants) is not coincidental with Libra's numbers within the general population: October trails only August, July and September in the number of US births per month. January (the month that produces the greatest number of Survivors - Capricorns) ranks 8th on that list.
21. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
Thank you all! I really do hope that we can make this thread a continuing one. We are, after all, each an expert of sorts in this spoiling field.
But I've come to know VerucaSalt. And I'm sure no VerucaSalt! A fascination with the predictability with which the characteristics associated with the twelve Sun Signs manifest themselves in individual personalities is the full extent of my expertise in Astrology. So I also hope that a star (probably looking suspiciously like an Aquarius) will appear to guide us. As LibraRising pointed out, there is a lot more "fun" beyond the Sun.
In the meantime, I'll be back later (this week is going to be a bear!) to reply to some of the great posts you've contributed. And to face my just desserts (but I do have a plausible, if not quite convincing, explanation for Janu, the Libra )
It just isn't true and I don't want to hear anything more about it!!
I agree with the opinion that this ought to be a thread with every Survivor incarnation with the focus more on the survivors, and less on ourselves (yourselves anyway, I, in my modest way, know that you have to know more about me). It would be interesting at the beginning of the season to analyze the people, and based on the analyses predict how they will do in the different stages of the game, the different types of challenges, in the overall game, in tribe dynamics, etc. Then keep a running diary of prediction vs. actuals.
My role will be to lampoon, berate, put down and disprove because I'm able to;
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LAST EDITED ON 05-19-05 AT 10:35 PM (EST)
“My role will be to lampoon, berate, put down and disprove because I'm able to;
'...see through the pretenses ...’
Can't help it, I'm a Cancer.”
Hello!, Mr. Kingfish ...
In view of the well-known fact that it takes only one Sagittarius and one Cancer to constitute a majority in any quorum: you’re elected. However, should you hear an “Amen” now and again as you go about your solemn duties, please know that they are sincere expressions of his agreement with another Infallible from the Cancer who’s been over my clumsy shoulder and pinching my itchy feet for far more years than either he or I care to acknowledge.
Talk about being, astrologically-speaking, screwed!
”I agree with the opinion that this ought to be a thread with every Survivor incarnation with the focus more on the survivors, and less on ourselves (yourselves anyway, I, in my modest way, know that you have to know more about me). It would be interesting at the beginning of the season to analyze the people, and based on the analyses predict how they will do in the different stages of the game, the different types of challenges, in the overall game, in tribe dynamics, etc. Then keep a running diary of prediction vs. actuals.”
I just knew that a self-effacing Cancer would show up with a great plan! Finding out just how useful Astrological profiles may (or may not) be in spoiling the game should be an intriguing exercise. And the “running diary” format (a chronicle of analysis and prediction) is perfect!
I do think, too, that, as soon as we are introduced to them, the focus should, and will, shift to the Survivors. In the meantime, I’m working on an Astrologically-weighted synopsis of past seasons (including this last) that I plan to have ready for posting this evening and that I hope will reveal patterns that we can put to good use when we are (introduced to the new Survivors, that is).
And I hope that everyone will remember my Sign and forgive and correct any errors: details, after all, are not my forté. And, because I’m not only new to the Board, but also a Survivor novitiate (in the past, I’ve only watched isolated episodes from each season), I’m looking forward to reading the wealth of information (including the anecdotal) about the flesh-and-blood people represented by the Signs that only the veteran spoilers here can provide.
But I do also hope that we’ll continue to share our Signs with each other. A large part of the fun of all of this, I think, is going to be discovering how well we know our mirror images on the screen.
And, very seriously …
Thank you for … at the risk of publicly embarrassing so modest a soul … the terrific post. I really did laugh … a lot … right out loud. As did the House Crab.
Astrology isn't "junk" per se, or "science" really. It is a belief system. It may seem silly to you and me, but many people do believe in it. Does us no harm to let them be.
"If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
That's debatable when, for example, people in the White House base decisions on it -- but here is probably not the time or the place for such a discussion. Perhaps I'll get it all off my chest in Off Topic at some point. :grin:
I’ve spent 40-something years toiling in the vineyards of commissioned sales. And that means that I’ve taken hundreds of those “tests” that purport to be revelatory of the specialized characteristics and behaviors common to, and predictable in, categorically identifiable groups. Or, conversely (the chicken or the egg?), that purport to be revelatory of the predictable communities in which those specialized characteristics and behaviors are categorically identifiable.
And I always wonder as I dutifully put checkmark to box in ritual observance of the science/superstition/sacrament of my day (or feign surprise and delight with yet another guru’s cover of “How To Know Your Customer/Client In Thirty Seconds Or Less”), if a circumcised curiosity spawned a prejudicial test/theory or if a constricted test/theory birthed biased observation. And, never having been able to answer that question with any certainty, I have come, over the course of those years, to have more or less confidence in the utility of some of those theories and tests than in others. Consequently, I don’t ‘believe’ in Psychology.
Similarly, I have no idea whether the ancients first looked heavenward, decided that the movements of celestial bodies must influence human behavior, and then (observing discrete behavioral patterns within distinct groups of human beings) wrote the test, or (2) whether they first observed discrete behavioral patterns within distinct groups of human beings and then (observing the movements of celestial bodies) looked heavenward for the answers. Consequently, I don’t ‘believe’ in Astrology.
But I have come to conclude that, ultimately, contemporary profiling methodologies and mechanisms … always … result in the same personality groupings and behavioral descriptions as do hoary ones: that, by whatever means they are categorized, camouflaged, characterized or caricatured, all Gaul is … always … divided into three parts. And in this thread (for want of originality) I’ve arbitrarily labeled those parts “The Superiors”, “The Subordinates” and “The Soloists”.
In fact, I am so confident of that conclusion that I have on several occasions suggested to the seminar assembled that we would accomplish the divvying and divining just as efficiently (and certainly much more entertainingly) by passing out birth (rather than name) tags, extending the Cocktail Hour and foregoing the Test du Jour entirely. But, alas …
However, here, the menu’s ‘silly’ offerings are not quite as comprehensive. Because, whatever the components of the battery of personality/behavioral tests to which Survivor candidates are subjected may be (and I would love to know), it is highly unlikely that we will ever find either the list or the individual results posted at CBS.com. But, interestingly enough, in addition to the other biographical data found there … including the prominent display of each Survivor’sage … there is, in every case save one (Janu’s), the Survivor’s birth date.
Not given, though, to sending birthday greetings to strangers, I hadn’t made any particular note of the oddity tucked at end of each blurb until I became addicted to VerucaSalt and the contributors/contributions to her thread. For instance:
When the subject of the producers’ (American) contestant mix, theme selection and editing choices vis-à-vis the show’s (International) audience arose, in response to one of her astute questions an Australian board member replied that perhaps his dislike of Tom was prompted by the “Tall Poppy Syndrome” associated with his countrymen. And I thought, “Nope. Can’t be just that. I can’t stand the boor, either”.
And, as I began to look for the editing patterns that she identified for us as I watched the show, I also began to notice how classically (or stereotypically, if you will) the Survivors were being portrayed this season and how widely the producers were casting their net: there was someone for everyone (borders, ages and sexual/gender affinities notwithstanding) to cheer … and jeer.
So, I went looking for down-and-dirty common denominators. And, voilà!, there (as misdirection, tease or mere coincidence) were the birth dates: this season, spread … within one sun sign … the breadth of the Zodiac.
Thus, the thread. Who knows, its appearance may have been prescient. And if a few true believers happen to wander by, as you've said (and I heartily agree): "Does us no harm ..."
Glad you liked it, I think that no spoilerish discussions should be off limits, thus my suggestion. I am a engineer/scientist and chafe when I can't see the A+B=C connections, thus I am a serious doubter of forecasts or personal analyses based on astrology (it also clouds my thinking on religion, Tarot cards, tea leaves, etc). But I also like to see correlations of almost any kind, and would be interested to see if there are any lo-and-beholds with Astrology vis-a vis Survivor. So lets see where it leads us.
Although I'm in the Bebo/Loquatrix camp, I don't mind if others (even the batty old ex-first lady) use it for whatever, it's part of free speech, free association, and free expression. I am (or would be) as disturbed as anyone to learn that decisions affecting my life may be decided on the basis of 'how the stars line up', but I am just as disturbed to know that these decisions may be made on the basis of religeon or tarot cards or tea leaves. And there are those Lobbiers, those evil dogs of influence excercising their first amendment right of redress.
Unfortunately it's a fact of life that these influences exist and do affect decisions that affect our lives. Not just here, but religions and superstitions from all parts of the world affect our lives to some degree (Islam? Judaism? Hindu? many others, even Voodoo?).
So if someone wants to incorporate astrology to make predictions, analyze actual events, etc based on astrology, it would be interesting, tho not compelling (at least for me) to see how it would compare to the analyses in Veruca's threads. At least it's not killing people.
If the WebCat deems it sufficiently spoilerish, why not?
Afterall, I can see thru the Pretense of others. You should listen to me.
39. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
I am comforted knowing that it isn't harassment, it isn't stalking, it isn't groping, it's just that as a Cancer it's my
"innate understanding of human emotion allows them (me) to see through the pretenses of other signs and lend encouragement, support or sympathy when needed."
(Any theory that includes in a line like that for me to feed off is OK.)
ps Be glad to help, I need a little time to come up to speed. I have not kept up W/Survivor in the off season.
40. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
RE: "ps Be glad to help, I need a little time to come up to speed. I have not kept up W/Survivor in the off season."
Yea! Thank you!
A thread with this theme just begs a resident skeptic. So feed away! It wouldn't have been half the fun without you.
And as to getting up to speed:
Take your time. I had intended to have Signs of Survival (the new season's thread) up and running yesterday (attempting to emulate Incognito 9's thread-management wizardry is a massive chore). But then my granddaughter decided to put her car in a ditch (the one with Grandma's name on the registration and insurance) and what with that and my appointment with the Dealer's shop this afternoon it will probably be late this evening or tomorrow morning before I have it ready.
Incognito9 1622 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"
08-15-05, 06:20 PM (EST)
41. "RE: Does A Capricorn Have Four Fingers? Does A Gemini Have Nine Lives? "
>> attempting to emulate Incognito 9's thread-management wizardry is a massive chore
My ability to do that only stemmed from an incredibly fast internet connection and an incredibly boring and unsatisfying internship!
Now I am home and using slow slow dialup. And at school, even with wireless, I will be plagued with schoolwork, practice, social life, and now potentially MCAT or PCAT preparations. So, say goodbye to that "thread-mgmt wizardry".
Georgianna, I didn't realize you were also Sagittarius! *hi-five*
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