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"Final vote"
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05-06-05, 11:16 AM (EST)
 
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"Final vote" |
The spoilers have indicated that there would be a Katie - Tom finale for some time. Until last night I had thought that Tom would easily win a jury vote against Katie. Now I am not so sure. It looks like that Ian is really closer to Katie than Tom and actually promised to look after her. In the interviews Ian gave, he indicated that he took that promise serious (I also pictured in my head Boston Rob or Richard laughing at the camera that someone else believed him when he made that promise, but I digress). That sure leaves me believing that Ian will vote for Katie over Tom Katie will certainly tell Jenn how she was blindsided by Ian at the last second and that she had no choice. That would certainly leave Jenn thinking more favorably about Katie than Tom. When Jenn loses she will likely tell Greg at loser lodge that it was Tom and not Katie who did him in and that should give Katie a third vote. I still think that Katie has little chance of getting Coby or Janu's vote. But if Katie can get Caryn's vote (although not likely, still possible depending how pissed off she is next week when Tom votes her out) or Stephanie's vote (they seemed to be somewhat friendly when trying to develop an all girl strategy and she might also be pissed off at Tom for not doing more for her), I think Cary now has a fighting chanceto win the million dollars
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05-06-05, 11:25 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Final vote" |
Great. I don't read the spoiler boards because I want to be surprised, and thanks to you, now I have this Katie-Tom thing that will color the last few episodes for me! Please keep spoiler information on the spoiler board, or at least bury it in your post and put a warning in the subject!
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05-06-05, 12:26 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Final vote" |
If Tom wins the F3 by convincing Ian to step down by saying he'll take Ian to the F2, then yes he loses Ian's vote. Otherwise, I don't think Ian would hold it against him. The purple rock conversation about it being just a game is one piece of evidence that Ian would not lose respect for Tom because he made the wiser F2 opponent choice.I still think Tom has it locked up against Katie.
- Coby - votes Tom out of respect
- Janu - votes Tom, respects his game and has no respect for Katie
- Steph - votes Tom out of respect
- Gregg - votes Tom. His final words showed respect that they were able to pull it off. And if the jury questions bring out any specifics of the course of events, he'll have a lot more respect for Tom's willingness to risk a tie and pulling a purple rock than for Katie's caving in. From an ego standpoint, I think he could better handle being represented by a winner like Tom instead of a winner like Katie. I don't think he'd want to be known publicly as the guy who was outwitted and outplayed by Katie.
- Caryn - easy call, Tom. So there's 5. Even if I'm wrong and Gregg does hold a grudge, those other 4 are solid. And I wouldn't count out a Jenn vote against Katie. After all, Katie was the nail in the coffin for getting Gregg out, and Katie looks like she's the key to the failure of a women's alliance at F5. I don't see Jenn turning down the idea of the women allying, since she probably thinks she could easily beat Katie and Caryn in future challenges and end up in F2.
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05-10-05, 12:21 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Ian and Katie" |
I agree with Michel below that Katie cannot win a jury vote. I am intrigued though by the Ian-Katie alliance. I thought that the spoilers have been uncertain whether it is Tom or Ian in the final. In Austrailia, I remember being surprised by how highly Tina spoke of Colby to Colby's mother, before the strength of the Tina-Colby alliance was shown. I think that Ian is generally too upfront to be playing Katie and we haven't really been shown a relationship that justifies Ian's assurances to Katie's brother-in-law or Ian's reference to Katie as "my girl". I wonder if there is a much stronger Ian-Katie bond than we have seen so far, since all other alliances seem to have been shown and, generally, alliances shown do not succeed. If there is a VERY strong Ian-Katie bond such that Ian, upon winning the final immunity, took Katie to the finals, it would be consistent with past editing in which the most successful alliances were hidden until near the end.
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05-06-05, 12:14 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Final vote" |
When Jenn loses she will likely tell Greg at loser lodge that it was Tom and not Katie who did him in and that should give Katie a third vote.I'm not so sure about this. Greg's comments after being booted weren't angry or bitter - though that could have changed when Jenn spilled the beans, as you noted. He seemed to be impressed that they got him and he didn't see it coming. Between that, and the fact that Greg attended the St Pat's Day parade in NY with Tom and Ian, I don't think he holds anything against Tom. I think Greg will be able to set aside "hurt" feelings and vote for the person he feels played the best game - Tom. 
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05-06-05, 12:39 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Final vote" |
Katie cannot beat anyone in final vote. Period.
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05-06-05, 01:26 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Final vote" |
*sighs*I know. Pity we can't decide who wins the mill with a pie-eating contest.
On the other hand, I can pretty much relax from here to the Final 2. Like I haven't pretty much been doing just that all along. Pass me the shark jerky?
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05-09-05, 03:12 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: Slightly off topic, but still about voting" |
I thought that they would revote and then if it still became a tie then they would factor in votes from previous TCs, which would mean Caryn would go b/c Stephenie voted for her and as I can remember noone had voted for Gregg before. Did the rules change? I am just waiting for this rock thing to resurface. It has only happened once. Do we even know if it still exists?
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05-07-05, 00:23 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Final vote" |
i always thought after a deasdlock(two tied votes) they would go to previous tribal council votes, and if that is a tie, they would move on to lottery or physical challenge. has that changed?
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05-08-05, 10:01 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Final vote" |
Its more than just the editing. People make strange decisions when it is time to vote. Often, people that were close for the whole game turn on each other at the end and the loser is bitter. That is especially true for the last few boots. Unlike you, Amazon taught me that you never know what to expect at the final vote. I still can't believe Christy voted for her evil stepsister
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05-09-05, 12:11 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Final vote" |
Mersaydeez source was seemingly mistaken about at least one thing:Re: Just some spoilers... Katie and Jen didn't get along with Stephenie. We didn't see any evidence of this, other than Jenn being concerned that Stephenie was dangerous. There was no negativity between Katie and Stephenie, and Katie was willing to do the female alliance. So I wonder if the source is mistaken about anything else. Or is the misinformation yet to come? FWIW, Ian is spotlighted in the Eyemail this week. (And I would guess that if Caryn isn't going to be the boot this week, it would probably be Ian, at the hands of the women.) 
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05-09-05, 12:27 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Final vote" |
Hey BR,"FWIW, Ian is spotlighted in the Eyemail this week. (And I would guess that if Caryn isn't going to be the boot this week, it would probably be Ian, at the hands of the women.)" Yet, Caryn denies a secret deal... (and the four pictured are likely the f4). 
Well, there are always things that are never shown. A good example from this season was Steph's injury on a finger. It was spoiled but never shown. (Anything to take away from Steph's hero status was edited out, or something like that.) I would be really shocked if Caryn doesn't leave in the f5 spot. This was one of the first boot placements Mer spoiled. Now, Shadow Government at SS mentioned there could be a surprise on Sunday though... It'll be interesting to see how the editing goes down on Thursday. forehead
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05-09-05, 03:19 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Final vote" |
The typical "swing vote not committing to one side fast enough and therefore getting the boot" scenario? Caryn waffling between Tom/Ian and Katie/Jenn until they all just decide to be done with her?
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05-09-05, 04:32 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Final vote" |
I'm siding with BR on this one. If Katie had anything bad to say about Stephenie, it would have been shown if only to make it appear Tom could be isolated in defending Stephenie and therefore even more vulnerable.
Also, why would not showing Stephenie being injured contribute to her hero status. The opposite would be true. Jeff quit after injuring himself while Steph soldiers on. CBS would have jumped at the chance. It must not have hapenned.
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05-15-05, 06:38 AM (EST)
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63. "RE: Final vote" |
Good, now i don't feel so completely brain damaged for having thought Matt had a genuine chance against Jenna.
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05-11-05, 11:56 AM (EST)
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45. "Interesting comment from Gregg" |
From Survivor Live:Gregg: There are different roles in this game. Katie gets a bad rap for sitting around and doing nothing. You're sitting around that camp for 6 or 7 hours a day. It gets boring. You're more valuable to me if you're entertaining and telling jokes all day than if you're gathering firewood. That's a key role that Katie plays that you don't see. She's hysterical. So it's not out of the question that he would vote for Katie to win.
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05-12-05, 11:21 AM (EST)
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46. "RE: Interesting comment from Gregg" |
I agree with you, BR, that if Katie is in F2 that Gregg will vote for her. I also think Jenn will.But we do see that she rips Ian a new hole. If Ian is on the jury, I think that is enough to not vote for her. If Tom is on the jury and Ian and Katie are F2, I see Tom voting for Ian more than Katie. For the remaining jury members: Janu: This is a fragile person. Her vote is going to go to the person who didn't make fun of her. Tom has been smart to hold his tongue. If he goes to the end, he gets Janu's vote. Ian did laugh when Janu dropped out of the challenge, but Katie was much worse, so Ian would get the vote over Katie Steph: She respects the game of Survivor. Tom or Ian against Katie would mean a Tom or Ian vote. Caryn: Remember early on in the game when Caryn went off on Katie. Well, even though Caryn has calmed down, I still think she doesn't like Katie. She would definitely vote for Tom or Ian. Coby: Katie doesn't have fashion sense. Tom is hot. Ian is not Katie. Katie versus Ian = Ian. Tom versus anyone = Tom. 
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michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings
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05-12-05, 02:11 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Interesting comment from Gregg" |
Just put these words together and you see they don't fit: Katie Sole Survivor?????
I know that some winners didn't fit the bill of being survivors (Vecepia, Jenna and Sandra come to mind) but each of them had managed to go in F2 against a weaker player (Neleh and Lilly) or someone that had made practically no bonds during his entire stay (Matt). Jenna had also impressed by her immunity run. Amber in All-Star is an exception going in F2 against a strong player but in All star Tom and Lex voted solely out of spite.
I don't think Gregg has demonstrated any bad feelings towards Tom in his interview or anywhere else. The St.Patrick pictures in NY also support that. I'm still convinced a Tom-Katie F2 results in a 5-2 vote for Tom (7-0 isn't out of the question, Jenn and Ian being the ones I'm unsure of) I repeat what I stated earlier, Katie could only possibly beat Caryn in F2 yet she'll be the one to push for a Caryn boot tonight.
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05-12-05, 11:32 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Final vote" |
After last night's episode, I am more convinced than ever that Katie can win a jury vote. AFter the last TC, Greg now knows that Katie was blindsided and that Tom was behind his ouster. Jenn also knows that. Ian seems to be much closer to Katie than Tom. And that becomes even more true if Tom wins the lasy IC and picks Katie over Ian. Tom made many promises to Caryn about her being part of his alliance and she will likely be angry when its time to make3 the vote. That can given Katie the win
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05-13-05, 09:49 AM (EST)
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53. "RE: Final vote" |
I still think Tom wins if he's in the final with Katie. Just imagine their final speeches. What has Katie done to deserve to be in the final? What did she win or contribute to the tribe compared to Tom? I could see someone voting for Katie over Tom if they really adored Katie. But most of the jury will feel rather blah towards her. So why not vote for the person that really played the game and helped Koror overtake Ulong? Tom will win and he deserves to.
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05-13-05, 11:21 AM (EST)
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55. "RE: Final vote" |
I agree. Tom has the fortitude to acknowledge criticism of his actions but point out, tactfully, that he did it to advance in the game. For examply, Tom spoke so highly of Stephanie, and with sincerity, at the tribal council in which Janu quit, that Stephanie cannot have hard feelings toward Tom. Steph will vote for Tom because she can identify with the way he played the game, as can Gregg. I think Tom also has Janu's vote due to dislike of Katie. I am less certain about Coby, but I would bet on Tom being able to talk Coby into voting for Tom at final Tribal council. Ian is bonded to both and Caryn is angry at both, so I don't know how they would vote. Jenn may vote for Katie out of friendship, but Jenn is also somewhat competitive and may appreciate that quality in Tom. Ian seems a little less able to put aside guilt for friendship betrayed in the course of the game, and might have a harder time against Katie than Tom, but I can't see Tom losing to Katie.
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05-13-05, 04:53 PM (EST)
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60. "RE: Final vote" |
I saw Caryn on Survivor Live this afternoon and from what she said there, it confirms that she'd never vote for Katie. When asked why she went to Tom when Stephenie proposed the women's alliance, it was because Katie said she wasn't sure and Jenn said she couldn't decide yet. She felt Katie was about to confide in Ian and Jenn would go to Gregg, ruining it for the women. That makes me think that Stephenie also would not vote Katie.
Caryn went on to describe Ian as a lost kid who's made too many promises and doesn't know how to keep them all. She says she felt Katie was overacting in her scene with Ian and did this so that he would owe her down the line. She goes on to mention that Katie isn't playing the game but just hoping that someone brings her along. She went on to say that it may well happen because Katie is someone you have to feel you can beat in final vote.
When talking about Tom she says he has incredible strength and smarts. Nothing to make me think she'd vote against him.
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05-14-05, 02:11 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: Final vote" |
I can't imagine Katie getting enough votes to win out of this jury, but after Caryn let a family of skunks loose in the middle of Koror camp by going off on that little tirade at the last TC, there's just a little bit of doubt about how the rest of the game is going to proceed. I think we'll see some interesting little discussions among the final 4, and the final TC could be one of the better ones.
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05-15-05, 02:34 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Final vote" |
We already saw an example of Tom's incredible "don't boot me because......" speech, and how it went over with the few remaining survivors. I can't imagine what he could say at the final TC that will outtalk Katie's ability to BS everyone. As much as Katie is a useless lump of goo, Tom may just infuriate the jury by going on too long bout how he carried Koror, and why he's the only person who's worthy of the $$$
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05-14-05, 07:24 PM (EST)
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62. "CNN.com pimping Tom" |
From CNN:Is 'Survivor' Tom Westman invincible?
Show has its conclusion Sunday
Friday, May 13, 2005 Posted: 3:57 PM EDT (1957 GMT) Tom Westman gets a necklace from Jeff Probst after winning an immunity challenge -- a familiar position for the New York firefighter.
NEW YORK (AP) -- It's down to the final four on CBS' "Survivor: Palau," which concludes Sunday. If you ask the long-gone castaways who now make up the show's jury, it seems muscled, gray-haired New York firefighter Tom Westman has already hosed down his competition. "Tom is your prototype for a hero," host Jeff Probst told The Associated Press at the beginning of the season. "He seems so sincere," said Stephenie LaGrossa upon her outsing from the game. "He seems like he's looking out for your best interest. Really, he's just playing the game awesome. He's playing everyone." Westman, 41, a Brooklyn firefighter and father of three, lives in Sayville, New York. He's made no secret of his prowess, winning three out of five individual immunity challenges and leading the Koror tribe to demolish the Ulongs in every immunity challenge -- a "Survivor" first. More so, Westman's strong alliances and strategic relationships have kept him from coming under fire. He hasn't received one vote against him. "Tom positioned himself as leader when we were two tribes," said Caryn Groedel, the most recently eliminated contestant. "He kept his leader status when we were one tribe. He was just a good player." "It all started back when we won the very first challenge and we were making a decision whether to go to a new island or stay with the old," said Janu Tornell, who quit the game but remains a jury member. "I remember saying, 'Let's go with the new.' But my voice wasn't heard. The voice that carried over (was Tom saying) 'We're going with the new, Jeff."' In a game where over-the-radar power players are usually booted way before the finale, Westman is an anomaly. Gung-ho pilot Hunter Ellis was drowned out in episode three of the "Marquesas" season. Bulky strongman Rupert Boneham was sent off the plank during episode ten of "Pearl Islands." "One reason I didn't target Tom is because I saw him as a buffer," said Gregg Carey, who was sent packing thanks to Westman. "I wanted to make my move at the very last moment. I knew I'd be susceptible once he was gone." Westman and his allies Ian Rosenberger, Katie Gallagher and Groedel sent Carey home first. Most of the eliminated contestants speak sweetly of Westman, but there's at least one jury member who is not a Tom fan. "Quite honestly, I find him bossy and dominating," said hairstylist Coby Archa, the first jury member. "Everyone followed him around like little rats and he was the big cheese. They were too weak to stick up for themselves." Westman, Rosenberger, Gallagher and nanny Jennifer Lyon will duke it out as the final four contestants. Historically, whomever wins the last immunity challenge, typically a test of endurance, will choose the player to go up against as the seven-person jury decides who wins the $1 million prize. Viewers will have to tune in to the live finale Sunday to see if the hero really does win in the end. WTF?? This is a first. Granted, there is usually a story on CNN leading up to the Survivor finale, but I don't recall them ever shamelessly pimping one finalist. Ever. Not only is CNN pimping one of the finalist, but they have quotes from all the jury members, which, again, is a first as far as pre-finale publicity is concerned. All of their comments, with the exception of Coby's, is favourable towards Tom. Poor Ian, Katie and that other person, whatsisname, are mentioned only as being in the finals with Tom. 
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05-15-05, 01:53 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: CNN.com pimping Tom" |
I did a search on the CBS Newspath , I don't think it adds much but thought it was interesting .
Information:
Various shots from Episode 1 "Survivor: Palau," Feb. 17, 2005. Finale is a
two-hour show on Sunday evening on CBS.It's down to the final four on CBS' ``Survivor: Palau,'' which concludes
Sunday. If you ask the long-gone castaways who now make up the show's jury, it seems
muscled, gray-haired New York firefighter Tom Westman has already hosed his
competition. Host Jeff Probst told The Associated Press that ``Tom is your prototype for a
hero.'' Westman is a Brooklyn firefighter and father of three, who lives in Sayville,
Long Island.
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05-16-05, 01:48 PM (EST)
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69. "RE: Final vote" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-16-05 AT 01:49 PM (EST)>
>But if Katie can get Caryn's
>vote (although not likely, still
>possible depending how pissed off
>she is next week when
>Tom votes her out) or
>Stephanie's vote (they seemed to
>be somewhat friendly when trying
>to develop an all girl
>strategy and she might also
>be pissed off at Tom
>for not doing more for
>her), I think Katie now
>has a fighting chanceto win
>the million dollars. Or I might be completely wrong and Katie couldn't get a majority of the jury to vote for her even if Coby votes for her
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