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"See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Two Survivors battle to provide for their tribe. One brings home a clam; one brings home a shark.

Sitting out a Challenge, one Survivor finds it hard to watch from the sidelines and doubts the tribe's ability to win.

A tribe member is suspicious of a potential alliance forming between two very friendly tribemates that could spoil a game plan.

During a crucial Immunity challenge, one Survivor takes over for a struggling tribemate. Will it be enough to win?

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 RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Risti 03-24-05 1
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 LookeeLoo 03-24-05 2
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 PepeLePew13 03-24-05 11
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Loree 03-24-05 3
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Bebo 03-24-05 4
 RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 survivor_21 03-24-05 5
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Bebo 03-24-05 6
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 emydi 03-24-05 7
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 survivor_21 03-24-05 8
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Brownroach 03-24-05 9
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 kary1371 03-28-05 53
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-28-05 54
 RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 pmspml5 03-24-05 10
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Alchemist 03-24-05 12
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Witless 03-24-05 14
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Debberz13 03-24-05 17
               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Brownroach 03-24-05 19
                   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Risti 03-24-05 25
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 knuckles487 03-24-05 26
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 citygirl 03-24-05 16
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 aethelstan 03-24-05 13
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Corvis 03-24-05 15
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 spsnack 03-24-05 18
               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Corvis 03-24-05 20
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 pmspml5 03-24-05 21
               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Corvis 03-24-05 22
                   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 pmspml5 03-24-05 24
               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 emydi 03-24-05 23
                   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 knuckles487 03-24-05 28
               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 volsfan 03-24-05 31
                   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-24-05 32
                   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 Peachezz 03-25-05 34
                       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 volsfan 03-25-05 35
                           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-25-05 37
                               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 volsfan 03-25-05 39
                       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-25-05 36
                           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 volsfan 03-25-05 38
                               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-25-05 40
                                   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 volsfan 03-25-05 41
                                       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 knuckles487 03-25-05 42
 RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-24-05 27
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 emydi 03-24-05 29
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-24-05 30
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 gwrbassin 03-25-05 33
 RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-27-05 43
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 volsfan 03-27-05 44
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-27-05 45
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 volsfan 03-27-05 46
               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-27-05 47
   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 emydi 03-27-05 48
       RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-27-05 49
           RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 emydi 03-27-05 50
               RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 bobscure 03-27-05 51
                   RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7 YanaSurvivorFan 03-27-05 52
 Emydi, Eye Mail has arrived bobscure 03-28-05 55
   RE: Emydi, Eye Mail has arrived biancaxxx 03-28-05 56
   RE: Emydi, Eye Mail has arrived emydi 03-28-05 58
 Press release Brownroach 03-28-05 57
 Could Ulong win Immunity? Kiddiepool 03-28-05 59
   RE: Could Ulong win Immunity? kingfish 03-28-05 60
       CBS press release Markopolo100 03-28-05 61
           RE: CBS press release YanaSurvivorFan 03-29-05 62

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1. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Two Survivors battle to provide for their tribe. One brings home a clam; one brings home a shark.

Ian and Tom...

Sitting out a Challenge, one Survivor finds it hard to watch from the sidelines and doubts the tribe's ability to win.

I want to say this is Tom as well, in which case this will be a huge episode for him (which does make sense, considering the title). He's only ever sat out for one challenge, after all(Gregg too, I believe. Ian sat out for more, as did Colby, and the girls practically lived on the bench).

A tribe member is suspicious of a potential alliance forming between two very friendly tribemates that could spoil a game plan.

The previews show this to be Tom(worried about Gregg and Kim), don't they? This is why I'm skeptical about the second one being him, even though he's the only one I see getting that itch.

During a crucial Immunity challenge, one Survivor takes over for a struggling tribemate. Will it be enough to win?

Whenever they ask that sort of question, the answer is usually no, which following the spoilers, would suggest this is about Ulong.

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2. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
LAST EDITED ON 03-24-05 AT 01:13 AM (EST)

>Two Survivors battle to provide for
>their tribe. One brings home
>a clam; one brings home
>a shark.

>
>Ian and Tom...

Major misdirection. Agree it is Ian and Tom. Maybe Ian brings in a clam, but I believe the previews showed Tom and Gregg with the shark? I don't think Ian was "battling" out a providor posisition with Tom about this. It's just what happened that day.

>Sitting out a Challenge, one Survivor
>finds it hard to watch
>from the sidelines and doubts
>the tribe's ability to win.
>

>
Only the Koror tribe is in the position of sitting out anyone.
Wish I could find that darn storyboard... This week, Coby was spotlighted as being very nervous about sitting on the sideline for the IC.
>
>During a crucial Immunity challenge, one
>Survivor takes over for a
>struggling tribemate. Will it be
>enough to win?

>
>Whenever they ask that sort of
>question, the answer is usually
>no, which following the spoilers,
>would suggest this is about
>Ulong.

Agree, I think this is Ibe letting BJ and Steph down...

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11. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"

>>Two Survivors battle to provide for
>>their tribe. One brings home
>>a clam; one brings home
>>a shark.

>>
>>Ian and Tom...
>
>Major misdirection. Agree it is
>Ian and Tom. Maybe Ian
>brings in a clam, but
>I believe the previews showed
>Tom and Gregg with the
>shark? I don't think
>Ian was "battling" out a
>providor posisition with Tom about
>this. It's just what
>happened that day.

The wording makes it sound like they're battling each other to out-provide the other... but I think this just means they're battling the seafood as in one swims out to get the clam and the other (Tom) literally battle the shark to rein it in and provide food for the tribe.



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3. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
>
>Sitting out a Challenge, one Survivor
>finds it hard to watch
>from the sidelines and doubts
>the tribe's ability to win.
>

>


This has to be Koror because of the sit-out rule. I don't think it's Tom. Tom always has great confidence in the tribe. I think it is more likely a tribemate worrying they will be the one voted out if they have to go to TC. To me, that is Coby or Caryn. They both know they are low on the totem pole in the tribe and a visit to TC would make them both very nervous.

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4. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I think it's Coby, because of concerns that Gregg will not stick to their deal. When Tom and Gregg come back with the shark, Coby could be concerned about their closeness.

It also explains why we were shown all of Coby's commentary during the last IC.


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5. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
LAST EDITED ON 03-24-05 AT 10:02 AM (EST)

Two Survivors battle to provide for their tribe. One brings home a clam; one brings home a shark.
Sounds to me like they're talking about BJ for Ulong and Tom for Koror

Sitting out a Challenge, one Survivor finds it hard to watch from the sidelines and doubts the tribe's ability to win.
For some reason Greg comes to mind, but I don't know why!

A tribe member is suspicious of a potential alliance forming between two very friendly tribemates that could spoil a game plan.
Obviously this is Tom refering to Greg and Jenn

During a crucial Immunity challenge, one Survivor takes over for a struggling tribemate. Will it be enough to win?
Probably someone picking up Ibrehem's slack in a water challenge and therefore it won't be enough to win

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6. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
>Sounds to me like they're talking
>about BJ for Ulong and
>Tom for Koror

You're right - we were shown that during the previews. We've all been misreading that as "battling each other", but that's not what it says at all.


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7. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
But then it would say "tribes" wouldn't it, or doesn't CBS care too much about grammar--it doesn't care about accuracy

and wasn't it a fish that BJ caught (bigger than Nemo that they have been catching at Ulong)

It may be Coby trying to do something more to support Koror

And agree that Coby is the nervous one..like Beebs said, it was set up in Ep. 6 as Coby being a nervous Nellie while sitting out.


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8. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Yeah maybe, I dont know......I really don't think its going to matter much anyway. I don't see a Tom/Ian or Tom/Greg battle over providing for Koror happening......at least not yet anyway

Agreed that it was a fish that we saw BJ catch......well sort of....it WAS rather small!

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9. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
BJ is shown bringing in a fish in the preview. I don't think this refers to him.

Maybe it's Katie. She deigns to bend over and dig up a clam on Koror's beach.


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53. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Just thought I'd throw it in there that, in Snewser's Jump the Shark, to the question : Who will find a clam? Here are the choices...

a) Caryn b) Coby c) Gregg d) Ian e) Janu f) Jennifer g) Katie h) More than one of the above i) None of the above or inconclusive


Hinting at it being a Koror?? Or throwing us off?

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54. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Ian's the clammer on Koror. BJ caught a fish.
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10. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
The fish that BJ gets is "small" compared to the shark - but most seats in canoes are at least 12 inches wide so that fish is bigger than it appears as it almost covers that width of the seat.

Interstingly we have absolutely no challenge vidcaps for next week - even in the web preview.

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12. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Does anyone know if giant clams are available in the area? I was trying to make sense of a comment about sharks and clams when we saw BJ catching fish unless clams were Koror also.

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14. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
>Does anyone know if giant clams
>are available in the area?
>I was trying to make
>sense of a comment about
>sharks and clams when we
>saw BJ catching fish unless
>clams were Koror also.
>
>Alchemist

Didn't Jeff catch a giant clam in the second show or so? They later used half of the shell for the sink in their outhouse.

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17. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Yes and someone at Koror has brought back giant clams too. In this weeks pics at CBS there is the shell of one on Koror's table. I am thinking Ian had a hand in it after his song and dance last week.
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19. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Right, didn't he sing/say he didn't have to go out and get clams now that they were getting the beef stew dinner?


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25. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Also, at tribal council, it was mentioned that Ian was the 'leader' in providing food(I think 'clams' was even said) for the tribe. Which is what has me really going 'hmmm' about this whole shark thing, since Ian doesn't appear to be involved in it at all...
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26. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
>Didn't Jeff catch a giant clam
>in the second show or
>so? They later used
>half of the shell for
>the sink in their outhouse.
>


"Catch" a giant clam? That's sorta like "catching" mushrooms. lol


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16. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Yes - I've been diving in Palau and giant clams are plentiful.
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13. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Interstingly we have absolutely no challenge vidcaps for next week - even in the web preview.

This is, imo, because the reward is to POW an opposing tribe mate and that they will help the new tribe (or not) with the IC. Either way, it would be too conspicuous not to see BJ in the IC. It would give away who won the RC.

Oddly enough, it almost seems like some of the challenges have been geared toward helping Ulong but it always backfires. In this case, it will just hasten the complete destruction of Ulong and force a merge/absorption.


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15. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Assuming Mersaydeez is correct about BJ or Ibe going next and the fire challenge happens in Episode 8 (based on "Neanderthal Man" referring to the challenge) and there is a switch in Episode 7 (cmc info), then the person switched has to be the one voted out. You'd think they'd give that poor sucker who was kidnapped immunity though.
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18. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
If the kidnapping happens next week and the fire starting challenge the week after, might it be possible that Ulong actually loses immunity next week? If BJ is kidnapped I would presume he would be safe, so perhaps Janu could be our next boot? This would fit in with spoilers that BJ lasts until week 4 and would still fit with Mersaydeez.
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20. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
It doesn't fit with Mersaydeez. She says Janu makes the jury.
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21. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Here is a quick random thought - from a blonde

Koror wins reward and takes Ibe/BJ - then Ulong loses immunity and Steph and Ibe/BJ have fire challenge loser goes home -

Steph sleeps by herself overnight - they come together and still merge at the 10 - Ibe/BJ goes at 10.

I know the episode #'s are off - but seems like that is a possibility.

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22. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
That was the scenario I was working with too until we got "Neanderthal Man" as the title for episode 8. If it refers to the fire building challenge (which I admit I'm not convinced of), then that scenario doesn't work.
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24. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
By problem with "Neadethan man" is that Steph is said to win and she is not a man

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23. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
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but then what is the meaning of ep. 8 Nead. Man? something other than the fire-building challenge?

And when does the storyboard say the "merge" occurs?

ETA: It says in Ep. 10--does that go by the wayside bc of Koror's dominance in ICs and the inability to wait that long?



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28. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
>And when does the storyboard say
>the "merge" occurs?
>
>ETA: It says in Ep.
>10--does that go by the
>wayside bc of Koror's dominance
>in ICs and the inability
>to wait that long?


Isn't episode 10 impossible now anyway? Assume BJ/Ibe gone E7, Ibe/BJ gone E8, Steph now by herself in E9. Would they do a whole episode with just 1 tribe member and still wait till E10 for whats left of a merge?

I've also had a problem trying to fit all the various pieces of info together around here and need some help. This is the way I WAS leaning.......

BJ, or possibly Ibe, gets kidnapped this week which would make the Neanderthal Man episode probably refer to the supposed fire building competition between Steph and whoever next week. (and for whoever it was that said their problem with that was because steph is not a MAN, there were neanderthal WOMEN also, it just refers to that era when man(kind) harnessed fire) But here's the problem. If one of Ulong IS kidnapped, then the fire building would have to be this week if they lose at IC. Therefore, to fit the spoilers, Koror would finally have to lose an IC and vote off their kidnapped victim. But would the show allow a player to be kidnapped and then voted off right away like that without granting immunity to that person for the next IC? That wouldn't make much sense. But if Koror were to vote off anyone else, it wouldn't fit with the spoiler information.

I have seen various speculation about BJ based on spoiler info that had him making it to the 4th week, then spec that it meant 4th episode, then back to the 4th week, and now I see in some places that he makes it to E7. If that last part is the correct part, then he couldn't survive this week to participate in the fire building. But either way, E7 and E8 don't get him to the 4th week do they? I don't know what the day count is on the island now so I am depending on someone here to tell me.

Does the kidnap info specifically SAY that it is an Ulong player taken, or could Ulong actually be the tribe that gets to kidnap a Koror member? If so, perhaps that player is given temporary immunity and Ulong loses the IC and STILL has to vote off one of their own. Then next week, the kidnap victim gets to return to their original tribe leaving Ulong a tribe of 2 and forcing the fire building next week.

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I didn't know this was being discussed in this thread but I posted this in the vid cap thread. I think we have the Ulong three pictured after both challenges in episode 7. These are from the web promo:


Also, this could be during the SOS challenge:

If so, I say the shot of Ulong on the beach is after the RC because of BJ with no shirt on. He has his shirt on returning to camp in the other pic.

ETA: Notice the tribal flag in the first two pics. This is their flag that they have taken to the challenges.

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32. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
If so, so much for the kidnapping theories. If they returned from TC at night and don't return from SOS since they never left, they'd have to be returning from the IC. Maybe this ep is a BJ swan song/recrap. But why no IC pics?

My only alternate theory currently is that all 3 were down by the beach with their flag for SOS, the plane flew overhead but didn't drop a load or dip its wing so the 3 head dejectedly back for their shelter with their flag. The scene reminds me of the outhouse reward where they waited and waited for the boat to come back, though they'd not have to wait long for the plane....

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34. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"

I know this is insignificant in the realm of things but, I think these two pictures are after the same challenge defeat.
They are too similar to be two different challenges.

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35. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Similar in what respect? I don't think Ibe and BJ would put their shirts on to just walk off the beach back to camp. IMHO. I could see the three not even returning to camp together after the SOS challenge.
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37. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I thought that might be after they've completed their SOS - the plane flies overhead, and they sit and wait and wait and wait for its return.
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39. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
That is exactly what I think that vid cap is too. Also, I could see that once they find out they have lost...they could possibly go their separate ways. I don't think BJ and Ibe would put their shirts on and then march into camp like we see in the other pics.
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36. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Their clothes are different in the top pic, the objects they're carrying aren't around them in the bottom pic. I can't do much to that series of pics but they look stoic in the top pic, not happy or dejected like they won or lost a challenge.

I still think they're headed off to the IC or just arriving at the IC. I can only make out parts of what they're carrying. Steph's object looks somewhat like a shield or catcher's mask.

Since those items don't look like things that would catch a plane's attention for SOS, I'm guessing they get tree mail for the IC and those objects are in the box for practice and they have to take them to the IC.

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38. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
The only reason I am sold on the idea of them returning from a challenge is that they are walking away from the beach. While leaving for challenges and TC we see them walking towards the beach or at least walking along the beach. This pic looks to me like they are entering their camp area.

Also, if you have noticed EPMB has been showing them arrive at challenges by coming through the trees onto the beach. hhhmmmmm

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40. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
But....but....wouldn't they look happy or sad or angry or something if this is post challenge? Admittedly their reactions might be dulled. A loss would be no shock to anyone. OTOH, with a victory there's still the hope of a merge at 10 the next day and possibly latching onto the Koror minority. Thanks to the CBS Fuzz-o-matic pic editor I can't be positive, but other than a spark of life from BJ, they just look serious.
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41. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Well, I don't know if we can see their faces good enough to determine the exact look. I think their biggest reaction would be at/immediately after the challenge. Yeah, I don't like the quality of the pics but this is all we have.
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42. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
>Well, I don't know if we
>can see their faces good
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>look. I think their biggest
>reaction would be at/immediately after
>the challenge. Yeah, I don't
>like the quality of the
>pics but this is all
>we have.


Ok, so it sometimes takes me a while to catch on and learn new things. lol I just learned something a little earlier. I already knew that I could go to the CBS site and watch the preview video (where these pics come from) in it's entirety. What I didn't discover until a couple hours ago is that I can view it in the theater mode which takes up the entire computer screen. Bigger picture, better to see. Stupid me. It is also much easier to pause and restart with the slightly different controls for the theater mode. Purely speculation, but this is what I think I see......

The 2 pics of Ulong that is being debated.....the first one looks as though they are leaving camp heading to a challenge. Nothing says that when they leave camp, they head straight into the trees and emerge from them at their time of arrival. Their beginning path could very well be along the beach for a ways, and THEN through a wooded area. In the video, they look neither happy nor sad. They simply have expressions of people heading off to work.

Steph is carrying something under her right arm, and BJ is not only carrying his shoes in his right hand, but some other object in his left hand. There is some sort of strap hanging from it and swinging back and forth. It doesn't seem to be visible in the pic here because apparently in is on an upswing in this particular shot, but it can clearly be seen in the full video.

In the second picture, we cannot see what BJ was carrying, but whatever it is that Steph has, can be seen resting on the ground next to her. After endless staring, thinking, and pondering, BJ's object seems to be a diving mask, and Stephs object seems to be a pair of swinfins, or whatever they are called.

Since sea stars is the IC and is also the most likely of the two challenges to utilize these objects, I am guessing the first pic is Ulong heading TO the IC, and the second one is them back at camp AFTER the IC. It is also quite apparent that they have lost yet again.

As for some of the other pics, Gregg apparently spots a shark close to shore and starts running after it, and is joined by Tom for the kill. It looks as though Coby is brushing his teeth or something at the camp, and hears the commotion and turns his head to see what's going on.

A shot of who appears to be Ian chopping a board with an axe is shown just before a comment from Stephanie.

Also pics of Gregg calling someone a madman. (apparently Tom since he isn't in the pic and I doubt he would be calling Coby that)

Koror looking in the air and jumping for joy. I don't think they are trying to signal the plane from SOS or they would be more animated, probably waving objects, and Tom would be signalling more than he is instead of just smiling and waving at the plane. I am guessing they are waving and happy because the plane has returned and is dropping their reward.

Can someone please tell me why they would use old pics of BJ in a couple spots in all of this? Could he possibly get kidnapped sometime after the IC, as is being suggested, and this is a way of using flashbacks or something to show why Koror might have chosen him?

Am I way off on this stuff or does any of it have some merit?

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27. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
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Some new pics are up at Phoenix. Looks like one of the challenges is SOS. If it's RC and BJ is kidnapped it's likely not until later.

http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S10E07promoA/S10E07promoA087

It looks like a Koror victory. If the reward is given at the IC and the reward is a hostage, it may explain this misdirection:

>Sitting out a Challenge, one Survivor finds it hard to watch from the sidelines and doubts the tribe's ability to win.

Koror kidnaps BJ before the challenge and BJ is the sit out. I had a BJ kidnaping theory a few weeks ago. It obviously didn't happen when I expected it to, but parts still work. Whether he's given the option to return to Ulong and declines or Koror has to keep him for at least one night, it leaves us with the same Ib/Steph IC scenario with Steph spending the night alone, then perhaps joining BJ at Koror the next day.

ETA: SOS is on the story board as the RC for ep. 7.


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29. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I said this on the Ep. 8 thread.. BJ is kidnapped by Koror in Ep. 7

The fire challenge is in Ep. 7 and Steph beats Ibe...then Steph sleeps alone after the TC and then Ep. 8 the merge comes and Steph is incorp. into Koror (BJ is already there) Then Ep. 8 called the Neand. Man is about BJ trying to fit in at Koror and him losing the first Ind. Immunity and is out then....


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30. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I think my theory was way back when for The Best Reward Ever ep, but as usual that didn't work. I didn't know MREs were the challenge reward so my above theory is also quite unlikely. However it happens, I totally agree with your kidnapping in ep. 7 scenario as well as how the rest plays out. Editing looks like Ib is at peace with how things have turned out but BJ is still fighting. Winners keep fighting, but probably for just one more week.
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33. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
LAST EDITED ON 03-25-05 AT 02:32 PM (EST)

I have posted this in other treads but did not know it was being discussed here as well so these are my thought. Ibe is booted this next week. The week after BJ is taken by Koror at RC and steph spends the night alone. The next day is IC and Koror has to set all but one person. They choose BJ to go against Steph and she wins. Koror then votes BJ out and steph is merged in with the others.
This is all spec I have no spoiler info

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43. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I was just over at Sucks and BJ mentioned TV guide features the individual immunity necklace for ep. 7.

The only way I can account for its presence at the moment is that there's the prospect that one tribe will be down to 2 members before they depart the challenge area. This allows for a kidnapping by Koror and the tribal IC followed by individual firestarting immunity for the 2 left on Ulong.

I also read that this misdirection:

Sitting out a Challenge, one Survivor finds it hard to watch from the sidelines and doubts the tribe's ability to win is rephrased "Forced to sit out a challenge" in a different publication.

Koror may have to sit out 5 people but the word forced seems more appropriate for somebody who expected to have to participate. I can possibly see this as Ian in a water challenge or perhaps Tom or Gregg but it makes more sense that it's an Ulong.

I've had a problem with the alleged BJ kidnapping this episode because the MREs sound like a decent reward. If it plays out like the Rupert kidnapping and an Ulong is kidnapped after the IC, they should kidnap Ib who has been the weaker player, forcing one of the 2 strongest Ulongs out of the game.

With kidnapping as the second part to the RC, therefore occurring prior to the IC, Koror would be more inclined to kidnap a strong player like BJ or Steph, guaranteeing (as if that was necessary) another Koror victory.

Bob

With yet another hairbrained BJ kidnapping scenario

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44. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Bob, I agree with you in that I am not convinced that BJ/Ibe get kidnapped this episode either. However, I agree with you in your thinking as to who Koror would take depending on the time frame when given the option.


Thanks for bringing the "forced" discussion over. I haven't seen this but again I agree that it makes me think it is someone from Ulong.

WOW! We have tons of unanswered questions this week...don't we?

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45. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Vols, I just reread that bit of info. Hours after the show ended we had the misdirection in the original post that does not mention "Forced". The new info is also from CBS - a news bulletin?

When they've reworded the misdirection in the past, has the wording of the new verion strongly pointed to a specific tribe or person when in the original it was vague, applying to either tribe or almost any person? I'm just looking for clues. We haven't had many this season.

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46. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I don't know that they have reworded the misdirection before or at least I can't recall.

I know...I am looking for clues as well!

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47. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I know one was reworded earlier this season, I'm pretty sure by ep. 3. Bianca? posted the updated version and it contained either much stronger wording or a sizable clue. I can't remember if any others were reworded though.
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48. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
so, bob, you are saying the fire challenge is ep. 7 and Ibe loses? and the Neand. Man Ep. 8 is about something else, possibly BJ being called this by Katie et al. when Steph joins them and they start vying for II?



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49. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
Yes, that's what I'm thinking in a much less wordy way

I don't know if this helps explain why I think there's a kidnapping this week, but here's the math.

Going into this episode SOS should be a last ditch attempt to save Ulong. They won fabric with the sewing kit, have more clothes, and 3 strong people to haul things and put them in place. Until last week, Koror had been intentionally sitting out their strong people for the RCs, so superficially this seems like a challenge Ulong really could or should win.

Should the kidnapping immediately prior to the IC be one of the RC rewards, you'd have 4 Ulong against 4 Koror for the IC. In the likely event Ulong picked Tom, Ulong would also stand an excellent chance of winning the IC.

That being the case, Koror would suddenly be down by 2 - no Tom plus somebody voted out at TC, and the tribes would be 6/4. With a delayed merge at 9 we'd have one more week to even out the numbers at 5/4 or at least give Ulong a better chance after the merge at 6/3. At 6/3 Tom would likely have been voted out of Ulong and 3 original Ulong would be among the final 9.

Oh, and BJ would make it to the 4th week....

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50. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I can buy that Bob...but that Neand. Man title to Ep. 8 is very troublesome to me...it screams out "fire challenge" as Dweeze astutely pointed out....


if that's the case, there still could be a kidnapping of BJ in ep. 7, but bc Koror won it, EPMB decides to give BJ back to give Ulong a chance to win IC, but of course, they do not, and IBe and Steph have made a deal when BJ was gone and BJ is ousted in ep. 7 and the fire challenge occurs in ep. 8 and Ibe loses and goes then.

I've officially becomem 50-50 on these two scenarios...



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51. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
I can easily see your scenario happening as well. First, because I'm usually wrong and second, BJ's all over the vidcaps. My first instinct was that he's a goner this ep. Those vidcaps reminded me of his quote "Winners keep fighting." It looks like he's given up.
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52. "RE: See-BS misdirection - Episode 7"
http://www.tvguide.com/news/askausiello/

According to this article there will be NO merge... Just thought I would let ya'll know since it was being talked about... I think what happens is that they bring Steph into Koror and there is no new tribe name and no new buff...

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55. "Emydi, Eye Mail has arrived"

I can't wait to see y'all work around this one.

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56. "RE: Emydi, Eye Mail has arrived"
My take on it...well it shows three players, which can symbolize Ulong, and shows the workhorse as the main picture, so perhaps Tom is BJ?

Although I'm sure we could devise any meaning to fit the spoilers ;)

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58. "RE: Emydi, Eye Mail has arrived"
Wooohooooo, Tom gets voted out!!

Ok, I know what happened...EPMB saw my amazing theory and now has is purposely not going to show or mention the bootee from now on....he's afraid of me...


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57. "Press release"
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-05 AT 05:53 PM (EST)

CBS PRESS RELEASE - March 24, 2005
TOM TAKES DOWN A SHARK, ON “SURVIVOR: PALAU," THURSDAY, MARCH 31 ON CBS
“The Great White Shark Hunter” -- Tom battles a shark…and wins, on SURVIVOR: PALAU, Thursday, March 31 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network.

Meantime, when one tribe member is forced to sit out a challenge, they begin to doubt their tribe's ability to win. A tribe member is suspicious of a potential alliance forming between Gregg and Jennifer. During a crucial immunity challenge, one castaway takes over for a struggling tribe mate…will it be enough to win?

And, the eighth member is voted out of the tribe.

-------------------------------------------------------

Edited to change my comments:

when one tribe member is forced to sit out a challenge, they begin to doubt their tribe's ability to win.

The use of "they" misled me into thinking it is the tribe that gets worried, but rereading this in conjunction with the original misdirection, "they" must refer to the person who is sitting out (i.e. incorrect usage of "they", so as to avoid saying "he" or "she").

This sounds to me like Coby making snide comments while sitting out and watching Koror work on the SOS challenge.



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59. "Could Ulong win Immunity?"
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Pardon me if this is a repeat from another thread, but is it possible that the BJ kiddnapping happens as a part of the RC, and then Koror loses in the immunity challenge? BJ is then voted out, but of Koror, not Ulong. In the next episode Steph and Ibe lose immunity, fight it out over building fire, and Steph joins Koror?

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60. "RE: Could Ulong win Immunity?"
The problem with this scenario is that just by winning RC, Koror would in effect win immunity, since they would have a sacrificial lamb in BJ. Would take the suspense out of IC, not good if you are MB and want suspense for audience entertainment. It should be remembered that MB's objective is not to fool spoilers, but to get the largest viewing audience (and ad revenue) as possible.

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61. "CBS press release"
March 28, 2005

TOM TAKES DOWN A SHARK, ON “SURVIVOR: PALAU,"
THURSDAY, MARCH 31 ON CBS

“The Great White Shark Hunter” -- Tom battles a shark…and wins, on SURVIVOR: PALAU, Thursday, March 31 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network.

Meantime, when one tribe member is forced to sit out a challenge, they begin to doubt their tribe’s ability to win. A tribe member is suspicious of a potential alliance forming between Gregg and Jennifer. During a crucial immunity challenge, one castaway takes over for a struggling tribe mate…will it be enough to win?

And, the eighth member is voted out of the tribe.

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62. "RE: CBS press release"
CBS press release

March 28, 2005

TOM TAKES DOWN A SHARK, ON “SURVIVOR: PALAU,"
THURSDAY, MARCH 31 ON CBS

“The Great White Shark Hunter” -- Tom battles a shark…and wins, on SURVIVOR: PALAU, Thursday, March 31 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network.

Meantime, when one tribe member is forced to sit out a challenge, they begin to doubt their tribe’s ability to win. A tribe member is suspicious of a potential alliance forming between Gregg and Jennifer. During a crucial immunity challenge, one castaway takes over for a struggling tribe mate…will it be enough to win?

And, the eighth member is voted out of the tribe.

I hope this hasn't been talked about before but I was wondering if anyone else finds the phrase And, the eighth member is voted out of the tribe to be a clue as to who wins the IC? I find the wording very interesting... Don't they normally say something like and, the eighth member is voted off the island or voted out of the game? I could be way off but I just found this strange...

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