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Ok - this is the first time I did these on my own - but I think I did OK. (More to come I have 55 total)

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Web Preview Vidcaps pmspml5 02-18-05 1
 RE: Web Preview Vidcaps KObrien_fan 02-18-05 2
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps pmspml5 02-18-05 4
 RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Corvis 02-18-05 3
 RE: Web Preview Vidcaps PepeLePew13 02-18-05 5
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps pmspml5 02-18-05 6
       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Corvis 02-18-05 9
           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Devious Weasel 02-18-05 12
               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Corvis 02-18-05 16
                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps nailbone 02-18-05 19
                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Corvis 02-18-05 20
                           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Scarlett O Hara 02-19-05 30
                               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Corvis 02-19-05 41
               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps redbeard103152 02-18-05 25
               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps cuon10 02-19-05 29
                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps PepeLePew13 02-19-05 31
           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps aethelstan 02-18-05 13
               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Brownroach 02-18-05 15
                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps aethelstan 02-18-05 18
                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Brownroach 02-18-05 21
                           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps aethelstan 02-18-05 22
                               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Brownroach 02-18-05 24
               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps emydi 02-18-05 17
                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Scarlett O Hara 02-19-05 32
                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps PepeLePew13 02-19-05 33
                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Loree 02-19-05 34
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Brownroach 02-18-05 7
 RC: Gauntlet Dash Flowerpower 02-18-05 8
   RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Corvis 02-18-05 10
       RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Flowerpower 02-18-05 11
           RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Brownroach 02-18-05 14
               RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Debberz13 02-18-05 23
                   RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Brownroach 02-18-05 26
                       RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash pmspml5 02-18-05 27
                           RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Flowerpower 02-18-05 28
                               RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Debberz13 02-19-05 35
                               RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Debberz13 02-19-05 36
                               RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash volsfan 02-19-05 37
                                   RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Flowerpower 02-19-05 38
                                       RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash volsfan 02-19-05 39
                       RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash munson 02-19-05 45
                           RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Flowerpower 02-19-05 46
                               RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash volsfan 02-19-05 47
                                   Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask Flowerpower 02-19-05 48
                                       RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask volsfan 02-19-05 50
                                       RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask munson 02-19-05 52
                                           RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask Flowerpower 02-19-05 54
                                           RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask TDT 02-19-05 55
                                               RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask volsfan 02-19-05 56
                                               RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask Flowerpower 02-19-05 61
                                                   RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask munson 02-19-05 63
                                                       RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask VolcanicGlass 02-20-05 70
                                                   RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask cowboyroo 02-20-05 87
                                               RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask biancaxxx 02-19-05 67
                                                   RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask volsfan 02-19-05 68
                                                       RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask VolcanicGlass 02-20-05 69
                                                       RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask biancaxxx 02-20-05 72
                                                       RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask biancaxxx 02-21-05 99
                                                           RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask adricharlie 02-21-05 109
                                                               RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask volsfan 02-21-05 110
                                                               RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask biancaxxx 02-21-05 111
                           RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash Scarlett O Hara 02-19-05 49
                               RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash volsfan 02-19-05 51
                               RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash munson 02-19-05 53
 Ulong-looses Immunity again? pmspml5 02-19-05 40
   RE: Ulong-looses Immunity again? Flowerpower 02-19-05 42
       Is this BJ? volsfan 02-19-05 43
           RE: Is this BJ? Flowerpower 02-19-05 44
               RE: Is this BJ? Scarlett O Hara 02-19-05 64
                   RE: Is this BJ? volsfan 02-19-05 65
 RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Scarlett O Hara 02-19-05 57
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Flowerpower 02-19-05 58
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps volsfan 02-19-05 59
       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Scarlett O Hara 02-19-05 60
           Koror Wins RC!!!! Flowerpower 02-19-05 62
               RE: Koror Wins RC!!!! biancaxxx 02-19-05 66
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps VolcanicGlass 02-20-05 71
       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps biancaxxx 02-20-05 73
           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Scarlett O Hara 02-20-05 74
               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps biancaxxx 02-20-05 75
                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Flowerpower 02-20-05 76
                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps volsfan 02-20-05 77
                           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps biancaxxx 02-20-05 78
                               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps volsfan 02-20-05 79
                               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Flowerpower 02-20-05 80
                                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps volsfan 02-20-05 81
                                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Flowerpower 02-20-05 82
                                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Debberz13 02-20-05 83
                                           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Flowerpower 02-20-05 84
                                               RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Debberz13 02-20-05 85
                                                   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Debberz13 02-20-05 86
                                                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Flowerpower 02-20-05 88
                                       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Gothmog 02-20-05 89
                                           RE: Web Preview Vidcaps volsfan 02-20-05 90
 Willard Sits out? Krautboy 02-20-05 91
   RE: Willard Sits out? biancaxxx 02-21-05 92
       RE: Willard Sits out? pmspml5 02-21-05 95
           RE: Willard Sits out? biancaxxx 02-21-05 96
   RE: Willard Sits out? Flowerpower 02-21-05 108
 Who is this? biancaxxx 02-21-05 93
   RE: Who is this? pmspml5 02-21-05 94
       RE: Who is this? lovwigglesworth 02-22-05 115
   RE: Who is this? Corvis 02-21-05 97
       RE: Who is this? biancaxxx 02-21-05 98
           RE: Who is this? pmspml5 02-21-05 100
               RE: Who is this? biancaxxx 02-21-05 102
               RE: Who is this? kathliam 02-21-05 103
                   RE: Who is this? biancaxxx 02-21-05 105
                       RE: Who is this? kathliam 02-21-05 106
       Jenn or Katie? *Animation* biancaxxx 02-21-05 101
           RE: Jenn or Katie? *Animation* Corvis 02-21-05 104
               RE: Jenn or Katie? *Animation* Flowerpower 02-21-05 107
 IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits Krautboy 02-21-05 112
   RE: IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits Flowerpower 02-22-05 113
       RE: IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits pmspml5 02-22-05 114
           RE: IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits Devious Weasel 02-22-05 116
 RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Krautboy 02-24-05 117
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps sweetpea 02-24-05 118
       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps Debberz13 02-24-05 119
   RE: Web Preview Vidcaps volsfan 02-24-05 120
       RE: Web Preview Vidcaps bobscure 02-24-05 121

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pmspml5 3263 desperate attention whore postings
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1. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Ok these are all of them.

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2. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Thanks PMS for getting these over here. Lot's to work with, plus we already know the names of the challenges so that should help us figure things out. I'll be back once I have had a chance to look these over.


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4. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
He he I did them all by myself !!!
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3. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"

Ulong is wet and depressed. Looks like they lost the challenge. But which one?

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5. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"

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Considering she's being highlighted like this as an "outcast", I'd say it's safe to suggest that Angie is not an Episode 2 boot.

If past editing tricks are of any indication, I'd think that she is a serious candidate for being booted in Episode 3, though.



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6. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Something of interest is that both challenges are in the water - in the gaunlet one she has no red bra on - in her dijected picture she is wearing her red bra. I'd say that could be from the immunity challenge

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9. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Agreed. The dejected Angie pic definitely points to them losing the IC. But if Angie doesn't go (and I agree with PepeLePew that she wouldn't be so highlighted if she were the boot), who does?
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12. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Jeff. The snuggling backfires when people don't trust him. He gets the blame instead of Kim because he is seen as the instigator, the Rob M. This also plays back to Probst's pre-season comments about voting out strength.


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16. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Heh. I agree and just made a long post at the blog arguing a Jeff boot for episode 2.
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19. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Blog? Where?


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20. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Weasel and I have a Survivor blog here: http://survivorthought.blogspot.com.

Of course, a certain rodent needs to do some posting soon..... where's my comic relief??

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30. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Weasel and I have a Survivor blog here:

http://survivorthoughts.blogspot.com.

*Just adding the "s" to your thought, Corvis*


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41. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
D'oh!

Thanks, Scarlett!

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25. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
I tend to agree with you DW. Although I do not see Jeff being able to carry the team on his back as Rob M did I see the other castaways trying to nip this seasons Romber in the bud. I see Jeff catching most of the blame and with his lack of facetime last episode imho he would go before Kim.RedBeard
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29. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Exactly. It looks like they might have done a little more than snuggle though. This kind of thing in Ep. 2 would make people uncomfortable for various reasons. Plus, there are a couple of supposedly "religious people" on the team and Stephanie is serious about this game. I would say Jeff is a good possibility.
Kim a maybe.
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31. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Can't be Kim who is in danger -- a spoiler says that she came back "with severely damaged hair" so if that's true, she has to go quite far in the game so there's no time for a few good shampooings or a hairdresser to fix her up before flying home.

It wouldn't surprise me if Kim saw an opportunity to take advantage of someone who's as dumb as a bag of hammers in an attempt to build up an alliance, but maybe Jeff overdoes it or gets caught by the others, so Kim cuts him loose while discussing with the others whom they should boot. She has that look about her that suggests she wouldn't think twice about undercutting 'friends'.



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13. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
I would suggest Jeff as our #1 boot candidate.

1. He had no confessionals in Ep. 1 and so was 'hidden'.

2. He is highlighted in the vidcaps/previews but not in a negative way. OFG?

3. He was already confused with Jonathan as being amongst the first two eliminated along with Wanda. I think the reason for this is that they are similar in terms of being young studs and, thereby, interchangeable in people's minds when trying to remember "was so-and-so eliminated in Ep. 1 or Ep. 2? Oh well, doesn't matter. They both went very early".


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15. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Where do you see Jeff highlighted in the previews? The only thing I see is the night-time snuggling with Kim in the TV promo and you can barely tell who it is. Otherwise I don't see him at all.


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18. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
I may be misremembering but doesn't the voice over in 'scenes from next week's episode' say that Kim and Jeff get cuddly with each other?

This to me says that after being hidden in Ep. 1, these two will have a reasonably high confessional count in Ep. 2, since there is a storyline there to be had. This is consistent with boot editing patterns.

I'll say not Kim because of the very damaged hair spoiler which leaves Jeff as the likely bootee.


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Yes that was in the voiceover. I was thrown by your reference to OFG theory, which relates to a person's visibility in the previews. Obviously Jeff is getting a story line in Ep 2, but so far he's not been a visual presence in the previews.


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22. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Inaccurate use of OFG then. I may have been merging various theories together. Seems to me that when a survivor is shown negatively (in a fight, worried about being voted off), then they are safe. Since Jeff was shown but not negatively, he remains a candidate.


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Sometimes the bootee is shown negatively. It's a person that isn't shown at all that is speculated to be safe. The theory is more about who is safe than about who is getting booted.


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17. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
I agree Stan

Or it's Kim...because of the CBS Misdirection--there is someone that doesn't like the budding romance btw Kim and Jeff is it Ashlee??? She goes to BJ who has Ibee already and BJ goes to Steph (whom he chose in pick em) and he gets James and Angie to vote out Jeff or Kim to break up the romance.

So instead of BJ/Ashlee/Kim/Jeff/IB voting out Angie as "suspected", Kim and Jeff alienate the others and BJ/Ash and IB go with James/St/Angie and either of them go--depends on what else we see this week as to which one, imho.




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32. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Just keep in mind who was in the first majority voting block ... Kim/Jeff/Steph/James/Angie/Ashlee. Now would Steph/James/Angie/Ashlee be so quick to swing over with Ib/BJ to vote off one of their originals OR would they target either Ib or BJ? Food for thought ...


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33. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Well, considering that Ashlee is a Mormon, she might have an 'objection' or two to the budding romance in camp. What if Kim has developed a little clout with the others in camp and got people such as Ibrehem and Angie to join with them to boot Ashlee? Get rid of someone who might be trying to stir things up in camp in relation to the romance. There's also a spoiler that suggests Ashlee goes early in the game.



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Booting Ashlee seems more reasonable to me. They clearly said they didn't want to boot a male because they needed their strength. So they were toying between Jolanda and Angie. If they lose another IC this quick I can't see them being willing to boot a male and lose another strong player. I think they would be looking at a female to boot. And if a female was objecting to the romance(?) of Jeff and Kim I think that person would be more likely booted than Jeff who they would think they needed. And Kim who seems to last longer.

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7. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
It would make sense that Ulong goes to TC in Ep 2 since they're hyping Angie as misdirection (again).


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LAST EDITED ON 02-18-05 AT 03:49 PM (EST)


These are caps from what I think is the reward challenge Gauntlet Dash, the winners will receive fishing gear, mask, snorkles, fins, and Haiwaiin Sling:

Note, I think that they all are started on the beach and dash into the water to markers, on Jiffy's go...




Looks as though the tribes have to swim out to markers, that seem to be marked either by weight, or perhaps depth. I am thinking that there are things to haul up that are equal perhaps to the weight shown on the marker. You can see Willard, Tom, and I think Janu struggling with something. Then you can see Tom and Coby wading and struggling with something.

Here's a vidcap that I think also belongs with the RC, Gauntlet Dash, and it's of Greg pulling a rope tied to a weighted object. Note all of the waders above him. (I thought this could be a cap of them trying to retrieve the flint box, but due to the number of waders above him I think it's from the RC.)

ETA: I think this is Angie at the RC as well, note the red bra...

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10. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
I think those caps are from the IC.

A Gauntlet usually involves running and avoiding things that are flying at you. Here are some caps which show castaways running the Gauntlet:

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Corvis, the pics that you have that you speculate to be the Gauntlet dash are what I speculate to be the IC, Head's Up. To me they need a head's up to avoid the swinging obstacles...What do you think?

I think the Gauntlet Dash indeed has them "dashing" from the shore out to the floating markers, on Jiffy's go is the RC...???

PS. Does Angie look NAKED to anyone else in that pic????

ETA: Corvis: I think that you may be right....the Gaunlet Dash is referring to them running across those boards then onto the barrel roll before someone from the other tribe clocks them off perhaps. This would be the RC then, while the Heads Up is the IC where they run into the ocean and have to lug the weight objects back....

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14. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
I think the Gauntlet Dash indeed has them "dashing" from the shore out to the floating markers, on Jiffy's go is the RC...???

I'm with Corvis. I don't see how this would constitute a gauntlet.


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23. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Take a look a cap # 29. Looks like Ian may have been sucessful in retreiving the flint. It looks like to me he has a rope/strap in his hands. If I remember correctly the flint was in a tied up sack inside the crate.

In cap #46 first I thought it was the old log rolling comp. but then I realized that on the left is Ibrehem and he is falling off the log after being hit by a bag. Definitely part of the gauntlet.

Gotta go start dinner....

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It also looks to me like there is something under Ian's left arm in that cap.


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27. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Head up challenge for Immunity: I think they have to keep their "Head" above water somehow - and pull something up from below maybe the numbers stand for the weight?

Gauntlett - is a maze of objects that are thown at you. The goal is to get across without getting hurt. If you look close it looks like the opposite tribe is doing the throwing.

The Gaunlett:

Other tribe in background throwing sand bags:

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28. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Yes, I agree with you as to which challenge is which, pms!

I think, judging by caps 7,8,9,10, and 17 that when some of the Koror guys go to retrieve their sunken flints, that they may just capsize AGAIN!

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35. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Not sure if anyone else caught it so thought I would post....on Entertainment Tonight last night they talked about a possible budding romance with pics of Kim and Jeff in the background.

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36. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
>Yes, I agree with you as
>to which challenge is which,
>pms!
>
>I think, judging by caps 7,8,9,10,
>and 17 that when some
>of the Koror guys go
>to retrieve their sunken flints,
>that they may just capsize
>AGAIN!


Sorry Flower but I disagree. I think that 7,8,9, and 10 are caps from the first show. Look at the first few caps of the boat, the entire team is aboard.

Do you see something I don't to make you think otherwise?

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37. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
FP

I have rewatched the episode from Thursday and caps 7,8,9 and 10 are from the first episode. It is the exact footage. So, I don't think they flip again.

Also, if the RC is for flippers and fishing gear then this happens befor the RC or Koror doesn't win. I think Ian would be wearing the flippers if they had them.

Is the flint box in the background here?

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38. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
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Well, you may be right concerning the first caps in this thread with the boat turning over. But I was speculating that we see specifically Ian, Tom and Greg going back to retrieve the flints alone...

Then in cap 17 we see that it looks like 2 guys getting ready to flip in the boat here...and to me it looks as though Tom is in the back and Gregg is in front of him....when the boat capsized with all of the tribe on board, Ian was in the very back and had no reason to jump ship prior to the capsize...

The sky also looks a bit more ominous than it was the day the entire tribe capsized...

ETA: Yes Vols, you are correct....they must go back to retrieve the flint prior to the RC as there are no flippers or masks seen OR it is post RC and therefore we can deduce that Koror did not win as they are here with no mask/flippers...so, can't really tell if it is pre or post RC challenge...


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39. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Good thoughts FP!

In this cap, is that a head in the very left corner or is the boat?

I agree with you that the sky isn't as clear in this cap than the day the entire tribe flipped. However, the caps of Ian jumping in the water looks sunny to me as well. I wonder if this is a different day/time?

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45. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Looks like Ian's wearing goggles to me. But where are the flippers?

Unless that's a reflection, air bubble, a dozen other things...

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Yes, I noted this too Munson in a few of the caps with Ian down by the chest. But, I can not conclusively tell if that's a big air bubble or the frame of the mask??? I also could not make out a strap around the back of his head, could it be so covered by his hair, I don't tend to think so, but maybe. I noted that in the pics where I questioned whether it was a mask or not, that he did not have on flippers.....seems to me if he would wear the mask, he'd don the flippers as well? Inconclusive, but definately worth speculating over!

ETA: I don't know Munson, does this look more like a mask and strap to you???...IT SURE DOES TO ME, I think I can see the front glass part of the mask as well as a thick strap around the back of his head....I'd say, KOROR WINS RC! Can you zoom in on his head here....please?


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47. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
FP, I pulled this pic into photoshop and enlarged it to 250% and I must admit it does seem to be a strap or something around his head. However, it doesn't look like the typical mask strap if you ask me. I would have thought the strap would be black, rubbery and fairly small in width. However, this strap (or whatever it is) appears to be huge.

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48. "Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
The important thing to note that it is INDEED a strap, and it does look to be thicker than the usual black strapped masks that we are accustomed to here in the states, but who knows what the typical Palaun mask is like. In addition to the strap you can clearly see the metal part that circumferentially goes around the glass part of the mask. Clearly, to me, this is some sort of diving mask/scuba mask....I'll go do some google research on scuba masks to see if I can find one like this, meanwhile could you post one of your enlargements?

I firmly think that Koror will win this at the RC.....what do you think?

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FP, I can't get it to upload. I will email you the file and you can upload...ok?

ETA: I sent the pic to your AOL email. It may not be any more clear than the pic you posted. Check it and see.

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52. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
FP, your cap is MUCH clearer and that definitely looks like a mask.

About those troublesome flippers...Ian's got some big 'ol feet! Maybe the flippers don't fit him? Maybe he's more comfortable diving without them? Dolphin trainers don't usually wear flippers when in the water with dolphins (based solely on my many trip to Discovery Cove, not advanced knowledge of dolphin trainer uniform customs).

I'm leaning toward a Koror IC victory after which they use the mask to assist in recovering the chest containing the flint. The Hawaiian sling is also used to provide the "feast" mentioned in the CBS website misdirection.

If that's the way it plays out, does Koror continue it's Challenge domination through the next IC? Will wisdom and solidarity trump youth and muscle?

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Surely looks like Ian's wearing a mask to me as well! I think the blue color of the water in this shot matches the blue of the water of the other shots with him down by the flint box as well. In one of the shots of Ian under the water, he's holding a long stick rod...could that be the Haiwaiin Sling as well?

I do think that Ian has his own natural flippers, an average man's flippers would indeed not fit his feet...look at those boats....I think we're definately onto something.

I'm now leaning for a Koror sweep, no matter how dire EPMB makes it seem in the previews for them!


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55. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
It's hard to say definitively, since he's facing away, but going frame-by-frame in the video, it does not look like he's wearing a mask. You can clearly see his nose and eyes when he moves around, most of which would be blocked by a mask.

Besides, don't you think Koror's first order of business on day 3 would be rowing out and recovering the flint? They could have as much as a day or more to try for it before the RC even takes place.

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56. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
I think this pic is before the RC

If Ian doesn't retrieve the flint during this outing and they do win the RC, I say he would give it another try.

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61. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
I don't know TDT, sure looks like there is definately a STRAP there, and where would he get material to make a make-shift strap like that? I think it's indeed a strap and mask...

I wonder if anyone could compose a gif of these frames...do you know anyone that can do it?


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63. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
I used FP's clearer cap to enlarge Ian's head and it appears that he has something around the back of his neck. It doesn't really look like a strap, tho, and it's nowhere near his ears, where you'd expect the strap to be. Just seems too low. Looks more like he's wearing his buff around his neck and it kinda floated up?

But, there does appear to be something in front of his eyes.


TDT, no doubt Koror heads back out to retrieve the box at the first available moment. Doesn't mean they succeed. Ian stated that he thought he could see something on the ocean floor but wasn't sure. Perhaps after failing on this second attempt, they return a third time with goggles in hand, or on head, and pluck their treasure from the unforgiving deeps?

And if the sling wasn't motivation enough, imagine how much Koror wants this reward challenge when they realize that it could mean fire as well!

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70. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
>But, there does appear to be
>something in front of his
>eyes.

That's an air bubble. It's easier to see in the video.
I don't think you can conclusively state whether there is a mask on him or not with the poor quality of a web video.

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87. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
If you look at the vidcap of the crate with the flint by itself, there is a strap on it and some chains it looks like. Possibly the strap that people are seeing is the strap around the crate and Ian using it to pull it up?
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67. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
Besides, don't you think Koror's first
>order of business on day
>3 would be rowing out
>and recovering the flint? They
>could have as much as
>a day or more to
>try for it before the
>RC even takes place.

Not that this matters,
but I'm really confused with the way they have been editing the "Days"

I was told tribes weren't formed til day 3.

Also, Jolanda states she only got to know Coby for 3 days.

"Coby is just smart," said Jones. "I only got to know him for three days. Different people had different strategies, but I thought Coby's was the best."

which would mean she was booted Day 3.

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68. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
Bianca,

I have seen you refer to this twice now and just wanted to reply. I have now watched the first episode 3 times. The only time CBS displays the day that they are showing is on day 1. We are only shown one sunset and the next morning with peeps getting up. That is when Jiffy shows up on the beach for the pick 'em. During this episode day 2 isn't shown on the screen. So, from my point of view the first TC was on the night of day 2.

However, on CBS' website in the summary this is what it says:

After their first full night in Palau, the twenty tribeless castaways awoke to Jeff Probst, who explained that Jolanda and Ian would hold their Immunity for only ten more minutes. He then instructed the crew to line up in order to be divided into tribes. Ian would choose a woman while Jolanda would choose a man, then the ones chosen would, in turn, chose a member of the opposite sex. This would continue until there was one woman and one man left, who would then immediately be eliminated from the game.

I don't know why they (CBS) would want to edit out one complete day. Is it possible that your source is wrong?

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69. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
FWIW, I had heard as well that the first Episode covered 3 days. The only thing I didn't know was whether the tribes were formed afternoon of Day 2 or morning of Day 3.

Doesn't mean the info was right, of course, but it has been posted elsewhere that Jonathan and Jolanda both mentioned 3 days in various interviews (sorry, no links.)

Balance that against the fact that the Canadian TV Guide reporter said that the IC took place on Day 2.

We will see at the start of E2 whether they post a Day 3 or Day 4 graphic.

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72. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
I was told that one of the reasons why some of them were so upset, was because they had been as one tribe for 3 days. I was also told that the walk with jeff and the pick'em was Day 3. So I assumed they did that so that relationships would be intensified and it would make the pick 'em more emotional.

My source specifically said Day 3. Although its possible they didn't know that the game actually started on Day 2 of the survivors being there. Snews has pointed out to me, about the Canadian article and the game not technically starting til Day 2, which is shown as "Day 1".

So, alot of confusion. I'll double check with my source, just to make sure.

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99. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
Jeff P asked Steph at TC "Stephenie what's been the biggest surprise the last three days".

There were definitely 3 days.

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109. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
OK I could be way off but isn't this how it went:

Day 1: They all get there and build shelter and stuff.....
Day 2: They did the pick and seperated into tribes......
Day 3: IC and go to seperate islands....

I thought after the pick'um Jeff said they would continue living together at the same camp.


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110. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
Night time of day 2 was not shown nor did they at any point put Day 3 on the screen...that is why we are confused.
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111. "RE: Koror Wins RC....Ian's Mask"
On Nickelodean, Jonathan apparetnly said he was there for 3 days, which would make the pick 'em Day 3.
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49. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Looks like Ian's wearing goggles to me.

I would agree. Question is ... when was this taken? During the Underwater challenge or while they are attempting to retrieve the sunken flint?

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51. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Scarlett, I can't get my pic to upload. Did you do this in Photoshop? If so go to image, auto level and then image auto contrast and you will get a little better image. IMHO!
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53. "RE: RC: Gauntlet Dash"
Valid point, Ms. O'Hara!

I don't see goggles in any of the other underwater shots, presumably from the challenge(s). Gregg has none in the very clear cap of the obvious competition shot.

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40. "Ulong-looses Immunity again?"
Ok it looks like BJ has his buff in two different spots in these pics.

In this picture his buff in not on his right arm - you can see past the crevese in his arm

In this pic it is right in the crevase (sp?) of his arm.

With those shots and the shots of Angies differences I'd say Ulong looses Immunity.

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42. "RE: Ulong-looses Immunity again?"
Excellent observation, pms! Sure does make sense! The buff I suppose could have fallen lower on his arm toward his elbow, lets try and find some more of him at the barrel challenge to pinpoint the buff location. If we can do that, we've nailed the sad and dejected shot of Ulong being associated with the IMMUNITY CHALLENGE! Great observations....

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43. "Is this BJ?"
If so, I don't see his buff at all.

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That's him Vols, you've provided proof positive! BJ with the buff on his upper right arm in the dejected shot of Ulong with Kimber and Angie must be post IC....I'd say that's pretty good proof that points to a KOROR Immunity WIN! Well done pms and Vols!

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64. "RE: Is this BJ?"
In summation ...

Bobby Jon at RC Challenge WITHOUT buff on arm...
Bobby Jon at IC with Kim & Company looking dejected WITH buff on arm which in turn, looks like his tribe LOSES the IC ...


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65. "RE: Is this BJ?"
If Ian is wearing the mask then I say Kuror wins RC as well.
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57. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
It sure looks like Ian is wearing a mask AND snorkle to me ...



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58. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
That wide strap in the back could indeed be a strap to hold on the clear plastic snorkel that he has on as well?



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59. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
I don't know if it is a mask and snorkle but there is something around the back of his head for sure. That isn't his scalp!
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60. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-05 AT 06:59 PM (EST)

Here it is a little larger ...

Red Arrow= Snorkle
Purple Arrow= Mask and/or Goggles
Yellow Arrow= Strap

The snorkle can be seen just below Ian's right ear...
Does this confirm that Koror indeed wins the Reward Challenge?


Sorry ... I'm not very good with the photoshop... where's Cat when we need her?

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62. "Koror Wins RC!!!!"
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-05 AT 05:42 PM (EST)

I say yes!!!! There is no argument that he is indeed wearing a strapped mask on as well as perhaps a clear snorkel. I say that perhaps he first tries to retrieve the flint unsuccessfully and later, after winning the diving gear goes back down to successfully retrieve it! Good enough for me!

Well done Munson, Vols, and Scarlett! Cracked another one!

Note that Ian is holding a rope of some kind in both hands here...

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66. "RE: Koror Wins RC!!!!"
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-05 AT 09:02 PM (EST)

Great work guys!!!

So do you think with the rope he'd attempt to tie it around the box and bring the whole thing up?

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71. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Not uploading it because the file is fairly large, but here is an animation that shows the air bubble traveling up.
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73. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Oh you're right, it travels above his head.

DAMN lol.

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74. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Look's like it is back to the proverbial drawing board ...

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75. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Yep :/
So maybe Ulong do win the RC, and have the feast with Angie as the recluse, after all.
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76. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
I am perplexed now to say the least, but I see no strap in the gif at all, yet it is clearly in the still shot. It is possible that shot of Ian is a different attempt to go down to rescue the flint? Just don't want to JUMP to a different conclusion just yet? I realize he has rope in his hands, and I realize he is in very similiar positions, yet, when you are out of breath you usually brace both of your feet against the bottom and shove off in the same way to get to the top quickly...


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77. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
FP, the still shot is bothering me as well. There is some type of strap around Ian's head because that isn't his scalp.
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78. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-05 AT 08:28 AM (EST)

I took this cap from VG's animation..

it looks pretty similiar to

so the "strap" that we see, is actually just the background as his hair moves.

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79. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Thanks Bianca! Like I said, that strap is bothering me the most. I understand how the "bubble" can be explained but that strap has yet to be explained as anything other than a strap!
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80. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
I can see that it could be the background and what we are seeing is the sand on the ocean floor, but it almost makes him look as though his neck is NOT centered and off too far to his right...his body is tilted back to his left and makes his shoulder and left side appear elongated, moreso than his right side? I suppose that I could buy this....just very skeptical regarding these caps...at any rate, it certainly deflates our elation at the discovery! A for EFFORT!



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81. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
FP, if that is the background then his neck and the back of his head are invisible!
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82. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Well, what else could explain that shot if there is no strap present???

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83. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Look at Ian's jaw line during the clip. The "strap" is his buff around his neck floating up. You can even make out letters across his cheek in the blown up pics.

On another note about the clip look how quickly the slack goes out of the rope in his right hand. This tells us that there is weight on the end of the rope, probably the flint box. If this isn't a total misdirection and the clip is from the comp. remember the shot of Tom pulling something up off the bottom. IMHO is that it isn't. Tom's looks more like a chain and Ian's a rope.

Agree or prove me wrong?

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84. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Deb, are you referring to the clip of Gregg with the rope/chain during the challenge when there are many of his tribe mates treading water above him? That's Gregg...look at his shorts, they are the cut off slacks that Gregg has, Tom has the blue bathing suit with the design on the sides....

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85. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
>Deb, are you referring to the
>clip of Gregg with the
>rope/chain during the challenge when
>there are many of his
>tribe mates treading water above
>him? That's Gregg...look at
>his shorts, they are the
>cut off slacks that Gregg
>has, Tom has the blue
>bathing suit with the design
>on the sides....

Yes I am Flower thank you (cap #47)


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86. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
LAST EDITED ON 02-20-05 AT 10:24 AM (EST)

I don't know how to put a pic in my post if someone could help me I wanted to point something out in one of the caps.

Ok I am still a dummy trying to figure out how to post a pic so maybe you will understand by my discription.

Cap # 24 is a pic of the flint box notice beside and below the lower right corner of the box. Is this a strap attached to the box? Is this what Ian has in his hands? I can't remember if there was a strap on the box or not. Maybe someone else can review the show and find out.

Note to self this is why you have a dvr cable box USE IT!!

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88. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
Deb, just wanted to tell you that I was just over at phoenix and there ARE some caps of Tom under water with the rope/chain while members of the tribe are treading water above him as well!

So we see proof of Gregg and Tom with the IC challenge....

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89. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
FP, if that is the background then his neck and the back of his head are invisible!

Actually, Doc, if you look at the cap, he's moving his neck forward--you can see it to the right of his hair. It might look odd if he were standing on land, but a person swimming will move his head into odd positions for better hydrodynamics. The spaces created between his head (to the left, in the caps) are caused by his somewhat long and unruly hair in the water. No invisibility necessary to explain the background. I'm convinced that there's no strap there.


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90. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
There is no way I can tell 100% that there is something there or not. I give up! I will let you guys explain it the way you see it because I have no clue!
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91. "Willard Sits out?"

Sitting on a bench to Jeff's left is a man that appears to be Willard sitting out the Gauntlet reward challenge? There are also two women to Willard's left standing and waitng their turn or having already completed the challenge. They may have made it across or they may have been knocked out...hard to say.



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92. "RE: Willard Sits out?"
Very nice catch KB
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95. "RE: Willard Sits out?"
That looks much more like Ian to me in his light green shirt and very long legs.

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96. "RE: Willard Sits out?"
No, not the one standing...the one sitting down in the background! it looks alot like Willard.
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108. "RE: Willard Sits out?"
I sure would hope that Willard would sit out this challenge, it could kill him to participate! This is the most brutal challenge I have ever seen on survivor....meant to HURT them? Boy, EPMB is really living up to his nick name!

I think that one of the girls standing in the background near the sitting Willard is Angie, looks to be a little heavier and you can see her almost nonexistant undies....

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93. "Who is this?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-21-05 AT 04:49 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 02-21-05 AT 04:48 AM (EST)

Blonde hair on the left, Katie or Jenn?

I think it's Jenn...what do you think?

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94. "RE: Who is this?"
Yes i agree it is Jen, I think the only person not accounted for at this time is Katie and Ian. We have pics of Tom, Coby, Gregg running into the water. Willard, Janu with their head above water. There is one pic at phoenix that looks like Caryn. My guess is that there is no way Ian sits out a challenge like this so it must be Katie.

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115. "RE: Who is this?"
Ian may well sit out if he gets messed up somehow from trying to retrieve their flint all day long. Diving very deep can mess with people's ears and make them dizzy for awhile or he could just be very tired.
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97. "RE: Who is this?"
I don't know. I think it looks more like Katie. She has wavier hair than Jenn does and this woman's hair looks wavy to me.

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98. "RE: Who is this?"
It could be wavy because of the salt water?
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100. "RE: Who is this?"
I still say its Jen - Katies hair is darker - as well as much longer then Jens. This hair is very straight on top and looks to be "bunched" around the neck - not so much as wavy. My daughter has wavy hair it when it is wet - it is not straight like the top of that head.

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102. "RE: Who is this?"
I agree. Katie's hair would be much darker, especially when wet. The girl in the cap, has really blonde hair, like Jenn.
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103. "RE: Who is this?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-21-05 AT 10:38 AM (EST)

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor10/extras/freezeframes.shtml

Found this on CBS.com Extras. Obligatory shot of women braiding each other's hair. Jen has really blond hair. I think it might be Katie. IMHO

ETA: OK, after looking at that picture again, I don't know what it means. Looks like it was taken before the teams split because Jolanda and Angie are in the same picture, and I'm having difficulty finding the team rosters to determine whether they were together. Sorry.


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105. "RE: Who is this?"
Isn't that Kim in the CBS photo?
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106. "RE: Who is this?"
LAST EDITED ON 02-21-05 AT 10:56 AM (EST)

Chock it up to my first spoiler attempt .

ETA: Yep, that is likely Ashlee and Kimberly.


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101. "Jenn or Katie? *Animation*"
Thanks to VG for this animation

It's a big file so i'll just link it:

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104. "RE: Jenn or Katie? *Animation*"
Okay, after looking at the animation, I agree that is Jenn.
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107. "RE: Jenn or Katie? *Animation*"
LAST EDITED ON 02-21-05 AT 11:38 AM (EST)

what is she wearing? the buff around her chest and no top or her own, OR the brown shirt???

It appears to be the brown shirt to me that she's seen wearing, I think it's Jenn.

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112. "IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits"

Samburu's Storyboard Chart confirms that the EP2 Immunity Challenge is Heads Up and that the winners may get to keep "Mess Kits" used as part of the challenge, in keeping with the military theme...



This picture, from thje IC shows Willard and Tom holding...Mess Kits!

Doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know, but it seems to comfirm the validity of the Storyboard Spoiler.


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113. "RE: IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits"
Good catch there KB. To me this looks as though the tribe has retrieved a box from the bottom, and here Tom is holding it up , and Willard is distributing the contents of MESS KITS to all the treading water tribe members. Perhaps they all have to make it back to shore with their messkit in hand?


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114. "RE: IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits"
I'm still wondering what the "30" means? 30 ft down? Is that to far to dive down? Mayby they have some at different levels and they have to get them all before they can swim back to shore?

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116. "RE: IC: Heads Up / Mess Kits"
Didn't they go that far down in the diving challenge in Vanuatu?


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117. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"

Could this be a reaction after the IC during which Jeff is injured? Has JP just told the Ulong that Jeff has decided to quit?



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118. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
That was my reaction when I saw that vidcap and the rumor about someone getting hurt and quitting. They look too upset and shocked to just be told that they are going to tribal council that night.
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119. "RE: Web Preview Vidcaps"
LAST EDITED ON 02-24-05 AT 12:57 PM (EST)

I am having a problem with cap # 39 of Angie. I don't think this cap is during the RC. Look at the background, it sure looks like the ocean to me. There is another cap somewhere (sucks I think) of this same action and you can clearly see some kind of ramp under her feet.

*edited because I can't type today-sorry

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LAST EDITED ON 02-24-05 AT 01:08 PM (EST)

I just noticed this in the other thresd but I will put it here. Is BJ bruised on his chest and neck?

Looks like his chest is all red and possibly rubbed raw.

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