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"Ep1 CBS Press Release"
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02-14-05, 06:42 PM (EST)
 
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"Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
From Fever:
http://www.survivorfever.net/s10_episode_titles_details.htmlSurvivor: Palau Episode 1 Title:
"This Has Never Happened Before!" Airdate: Thursday February 17 - 8 PM ET (60 minutes) CBS Press Release: TWENTY NEW CASTAWAYS ARE ABANDONED ON ONE BEACH
WHEN "SURVIVOR: PALAU," PREMIERES THURSDAY, FEB. 17
ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK "This Has Never Happened Before!" -- Twenty new castaways are abandoned on one beach when SURVIVOR: PALAU premieres Thursday, Feb. 17 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network. As the castaways row one large boat through the waters surrounding Palau, host Jeff Probst points them towards their new beach and indicates there will be two machetes and a map to water waiting for them. In addition, he indicates there will be two immunity necklaces for the first man and the first woman to reach the shore. With that, Jeff departs and the anticipation and panic sets in…who will stay in the boat? Who will be first to jump? Who will win immunity? By the end of the first episode, three castaways will leave the island. --------- Note: two immunity necklaces!
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02-14-05, 06:50 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
Have we seen pictures of anyone besides Jolanda with the Necklace on, specifically a guy, and more specifically Ian, to confirm our speculation? (Although this celebration picture looks good enough I suppose)
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02-14-05, 06:51 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
KO...you beat me to it. I agree they are the first two and will pick the tribes and they are immune.
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02-15-05, 00:46 AM (EST)
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5. "Gender control?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-15-05 AT 00:52 AM (EST)In light of our speculation about whether or not MB would try to maintain gender balance between the two tribes, this quote from the News Release is interesting: "...In addition, he indicates there will be two immunity necklaces for the first man and the first woman to reach the shore..." Obviously a concious decision has been made to control the gender of the two "captains". The only reason to do this is if there has also been a concious decision to eliminate one man and one woman by way of the pick 'em process...otherwise there's no reason I can think of to specify "captains" of opposite gender. The captains are predetermined to be one male and female, and by alternating gender picks, balance will be maintained and it is guaranteed that one man and one woman are eliminated.
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02-15-05, 07:09 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
I just wanted to point to the fact that this had been suggested when we first got the vidcaps of their arrival on shore. When everyone jumps ship at once there is an element of speed involved and there must be a REASON! Most folks shot down the fact that it looked to be a race, and there were many reasons why it looked to be a race. Finally, there was some belief when it was suggested that they could be fired upon, and therefore that was the reason for the speedy departure for shore. Ian was one of the first to dive off the boat, and we had the cap of Jolanda in full runners stride. We should have nailed this then.Then when the necklace was discovered on Jolanda, looking exactly like a PALAUN money necklace, it was shot down as to the significance on the word of someone claiming to have a source that said it was insignificant! I knew at the time that she just would'nt have won just a "prize". I just want everyone to rely on their instincts and not on these people that claim they have sources. We should have reached a these conclusions when we first laid hands on these vidcaps! For everyone who has'nt noticed yet, please see KOfan's thread on spoilers, hoaxes, etc! Thanks for finding this, forehead! It certainly makes it all fall into place!  
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02-15-05, 07:43 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
FWIW- I re-read that thread last night in preparation for writing my SOTS. I don't think the ideas in that thread were necessarily "shot down" so much as discussed in a normal fashion. At that point in time everything was based on speculation and people were giving various ideas on what they thought was going to happen, no more, no less.Yes, the thread did drop down and never got revisited after the cap of Jolanda with the necklace surfaced, and no, nobody put 2 and 2 together completely, but the whole of the sum is all of the great speculation from way back then until now. It all adds up. 
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02-15-05, 09:02 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
All I am saying is, let's not be quick to DISMISS!I agree.
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02-15-05, 12:54 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-15-05 AT 01:20 PM (EST)Biancaxxx: I am sorry as it seems I have singled you out, I certainly did'nt personally mean to.....I, for one, am thrilled to have someone who at least has any source at all partake on our boards! But, regarding the importance of the race, you quoted two excerpts from SSucks, none from here. I do lurk at SSucks, but I find it difficult to sift through the legions of rifraff that goes along with legitimate discussion. That's why I prefer SBlows, we try to stay on topic. I can't imagine how hard it must be to partake in eons of discussions on both boards, hard to keep track of what is said where. Unfortunately, I missed those two discussions you quoted from SSucks. Regarding the necklace that Jolanda was wearing, neither of the pictures have her wearing the necklace in question...and I believe you posted following that post by Tribephyl...i'll try and retrieve it. At any rate, the only point I want to make, source or no source, we can't throw logic out the window, and let's keep exploring valid ideas! Sorry, I am thrilled that you are a part of SBlows now! Hope you will stick around so you can sing crow as the show pans out! ETA: The link from Tribephyl's post regarding the Paluan money beads are here...and I don't know why these links things are'nt working, but here it is again: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/5675.shtml See Tribe's post #39 and follow downward. I apologize Biancaxxx as you never commented on Tribe's post, but VG quoted you....a bit of confusion there. But note, Seraphaem then added his comment regarding the cracks in the foundation at this point and all of us assumed he was talking about the two vs. three tribes here, lol! Perhaps one point for Sera!
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biancaxxx 282 desperate attention whore postings
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02-15-05, 01:50 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
My keyboard isn't working, so I have to use the onscreen one, which is a real pain, lol, so i'll keep this short for now, but will reply in full to your post when i use my other computer.i actually didn'tt realize that these beads were different to jolanda's other ones, until now 
so it's my fault, i should have asked my source about those beads ^ too. sorry, my mistake, i didnt intentionally mean to mislead anyone. you're right...that was probably what sera was talking about!
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biancaxxx 282 desperate attention whore postings
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02-15-05, 11:30 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
I am new to both boards, so I do get a little confused with who is signed up to both, as I know alot of Blows members also read Sucks. So in future I will be sure to post any important information I recieve, to both boards 
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02-15-05, 09:04 AM (EST)
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11. "I know we have discussed this before" |
and we sort of dismissed it by thinking it was misdirection from what MB said. However, after having it appear twice makes me wonder:This is from the eyemail: The unusual start claims two early casualties who get lost and don't make it to the first challenge. And this is from TV Guide: 
I find this strange that both talk about two people getting lost.
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02-15-05, 11:43 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: I know we have discussed this before" |
I am not sure of the historical split between literal and metaphorical phraseology, however, I do tend to lean toward this one being very metaphoric.JP in his pregame chatter has said "Survivor is a social game". The game is hyped by MB that 2 people "get lost" before making it to the first challenge. I think this is a metaphor for being socially lost. JP's analysis of Wanda: Wacky Wanda is a wild card. She could be the first one out of this game so fast your head is spinning, or we could see a situation like we did with Lil, where suddenly she’s in Final 2 and you’re scratching your head going, “How did the woman with all the songs make it to the Final 2?” Wanda likes to sing! and she likes to come on strong! and wear big bright clothes! and come on like this! Some people really take to that and find it charming, and other people just want to shut it off. If she can read people and figure that out, great. If she can’t, I’ll be snuffing her torch. JP's analysis of Jeff: Jeff is a charming guy in an odd way. We gave him a hard time when we met him about shaving his body, and talking about how many women he’s dated, but at the end of the day, we kept talking about him. So there’s something about him that always kept us coming back for a little more. He’s kind of an underdog favorite of mine. I hope he does well on the show. I’m not sure he’s skilled enough socially to do as well as he thinks he’s going to do. We’ll have to see. So in a social game, we have been handed our two social outcasts who are lost because they don't fit in.
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02-15-05, 02:04 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: I know we have discussed this before" |
Sorry KO, I'm trying hard to keep up with things, but weren't those quotes from Jiffy before the game started? I do hold on to my thought that there are two people who literally get lost, and I think Wanda is one of them. There is a photo of her, wandering around tugging at palm branches, with another person in the shadows behind her. Perhaps they aren't terribly lost, but they don't make it to the challenge in time. I believe the others would be stressed, worried, and tearful for the safety of two tribemates, as well as tearful to hear the harsh 'punishment' inflicted on them. That said, MB was quoted as saying three would get booted in the first episode 'by design' I believe. So that does shoot a hole in my theory.  WHEEZE
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02-15-05, 03:07 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: I know we have discussed this before" |
Yes, Wheezy, they are quotes from Jeff pregame, but like VS states in her editing thread, many times Jeff is spot on in his analysis of people. I don't think he intentionally tries to give much away, and at that point the game hasn't started yet, so hard for him to slip up. The quotes about Survivor being a social game, and the parts about being lost are after the show has been filmed. With all that has been seen of a school yard pick em that is brutal and the last two people must leave the game before it starts, to me that is why I think the "lost" statements are metaphoric. It could very well be that 2 people get physically lost and don't make it to the pick em, but if that is the case and the 2nd boat ride is indeed to the pick em, I will go back and double check to see if there are 20 people in the boat.
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02-15-05, 05:22 PM (EST)
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41. "Flaws" |
Thanks darlin'. The pic with Janu closest to the camera in the boat, where Jiffy is pointing--her hair is completely frizzed, as if it's been wet and dried again without being tamed with hair stuff. I have a friend with hair just like that, and after swimming it does that too. Do we have two seperate events where we see people coming on shore? One from the 'race' and the other from their other arrival? And what about the info given that they live as one tribe at first? If the race is from the first landing and they immediately go to the pick'em so that two get booted before it begins, their tribes are determined too early. We have all those vidcaps with no buffs. If the above is true, the pick'em has to happen later if that is the way the two are eliminated, but that doesn't work with the theory that the first two ashore are going to pick. I feel like I can't articulate this. Let me try again. For two to get booted before the game begins via the pick 'em method, the tribes have to be established. These two things have to go together. Are the tribes established and not given buffs?
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The initial boat ride likely cannot be an immediate pick'em race if the following are true: a. the tribe is supposedly left with no instructions
b. we have so many photos of them walking and moving about and making fires and doing interviews with no buffs
c. they are supposed to live as one tribe at the beginning So if the pickem is not immediate, how are the two players eliminated before the game really starts? They get lost and don't make it to the pick'em challenge.
Does this make any sense at all?
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02-15-05, 05:45 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Flaws" |
I'm getting ready to finalixe my SOTS and so this may be my last post before doing so, but, here goes.I think they race to shore to see who gets immunity. They don't know yet for what, they just know it is valuable. They live together as one tribe, for at least a day. They get tree-mail that tells them that to row to such and such a place and that Ian and Jolanda are the captains or whatever and after having spent a day or more together as one tribe, now they are forced to do the pick em, where 2 players go home. Now the real game begins. Now there are two tribes. That is sorta what I envision, but it will be clearer and more articulate in a couple hours.
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02-15-05, 11:26 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
Hey look, the immunity necklaces!
I think they don't count for the TC. And here's why. In shots from the Pick 'Em, we don't see Jolanda or Ian wearing them. I think Probst has taken them back already after telling Ian and Jolanda they are the captains, they pick first, and they are safe. Once we have two tribes, it's tribal immunity time, so the necklaces are gone until the merge.
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02-15-05, 01:00 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: My question is?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-15-05 AT 01:05 PM (EST)I am not sure if they are the same - but they could be - there is the large tree in the back ground if you move the camera angle they could be the same - Edited to add this pic - where is the little red flower thing on the flag? 
We can tell by this pic that Ian is in the middle of the boat when JP gives them directions - and that is the same position he dives off the boat to race to shore. 
So the Pics of him in the back of the boat must come later. 
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02-15-05, 01:04 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: My question is?" |
So here is my new theory. You and FP made a great case for there being 2 separate boat trips that involved all 20 of the survivors as shown by their different boat positions. This pic of Jeff giving instructions on what to do (first man, first woman to get to shore wins immunity).The next time we see them all in the boat, Jolanda and Ian (who are the captains) are together in the back of the boat as the crew rows to the spot to be used for the pick em. That is what the second boat trip is, IMO.
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02-15-05, 01:09 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: My question is?" |
I have speculated that Jiffy on the beach with everyone following him is going to the pick 'em. What do you think he is doing on the beach if the second boat trip is to the pick 'em?
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02-15-05, 10:30 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: My question is?" |
I think the flower is Katie's.
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02-15-05, 01:40 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Ep1 CBS Press Release" |
Here's my take: There are at least 3 different shots with Survivors in the boat all in different positions, it's a fact that they take more than one boat trip, to me. As for Jiffy giving them direction, he's pointing to their beach. I don't know why, whether they indeed land on the wrong beach at first, or whether they change positions in the boat to relieve each other of rowing fatigue, but they eventually see the banner, row up, and jump ship ASAP, as Jiffy had also told them that the first two to arrive at the camp banner would indeed win immunity for some kind of challenge. Ian and Jolanda proceed to be the first to touch the generic banner and are thus awarded the two individual immunity necklaces, that we see, waiting for them, on the banner. They congratulate each other with a big hug! Jolanda proceeds to put hers on, as we see, and then Ian just stuffs his in his pocket...or maybe Jolanda puts it away at first and will wear it later.Then much later, as in a day or two, Jiffy arrives to lead them to this impending competition of some kind, where once there, Ian and Jolonda don their necklaces...we see Jolanda competing with it on, perhaps? I still am fuzzy regarding this competition...I suppose that when Jiffy appears out of the blue that Wanda and Jeff have gone off in opposite directions and are not around and Jeff tells them, they are not waiting to proceed to the area where the tribal division will take plae. Perhaps, there is no competition and they are both just told that they get to start the pick 'em chain and so forth..... tossing out ideas??? At any rate, the IN's are awarded and are therefore significant...but for the first competition, or for the entire ep, including TC....
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