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"Season Premiere Vidcaps"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-23-05 AT 06:31 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-23-05 AT 06:29 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 01-23-05 AT 06:20 PM (EST) 1.  2.  3.  4.  5.  6.  7.  8.  9.  10.  11.  12.  13.  14.  15.  16.  17.  18.  19.  20.  21.  22.  23.  24.  25.  26.  27.  28.  29.  30.  31.  32.  33.  34.  35.  36.  37.  38.  39.  40.  41.  42.  43.  44.  45.  46.  47.  48.  49.  50.  51.  52.  53.  54.  55.  56.  57.  58.  59.  60.  61.  62.  63.  64. 
VO: Thursday, Feb. 17th, Survivor will strand 20 new castaways on a deserted island. But this time with no help of any kind.
Male: Here we go
VO: What will they do when they discover....
Stephanie: Oh my God
VO:...they are lost for real
Male: What do we do?
Caryn: We don't know what's going on.
Katie: It's weird
Gregg: I'm getting a little paranoid
Coby: It's just gonna get worse
VO: A premiere so intense, 3 castaways will go home before this night is over
Stephanie: This is a very different Survivor
VO: Don't miss the premiere, CBS, Feb. 17th
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1. "RE: Season Premiere Vidcaps" |
Pics 54-64 are broken links for me.Otherwise... Well, this just confirms what we'd been expecting - that they're dropped off at the island with no direction as to what they're supposed to do next. Stephanie: This is a very different Survivor I'm going to pick this out again as going with the theme they seem to be running with... and like I said on my other thread, I think they're going to be focusing on the 'drama' more than the 'game' aspect of the show this season... Very different indeed...
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01-23-05, 06:39 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Season Premiere Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-23-05 AT 06:42 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-23-05 AT 06:41 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 01-23-05 AT 06:39 PM (EST) Caps 47, 48, 49: This shows Jolonda and ?Jennifer in full stride, are these some caps of a challenge perhaps?? And how many of them are in the boat? I question if all 20 are there? Could they be missing several already booted survivors? Is this not their original landing, as why are they all jumping and diving overboard so quickly, before arriving to shore?
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3. "RE: Season Premiere Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-23-05 AT 08:13 PM (EST)Thanks for bringing these over FP! Looks like all 20 contestants arrive together in one boat... they start as one tribe, with no instructions...left to wonder "What's going on" and become "a little paranoid"...just as we speculated long ago.  There are two vidcaps of particular interest...
Jolanda and (?) running down the beach together, perhaps racing as a two-person team to the first Challenge location. The last pair to arrive is sent home? This could be where one pair literally "gets lost" on their way and as a result are eliminated from the game?
This shot of Janu, apparently upset about something? Did she just find out that she is being sent home or realize that she and her teammate are "lost" and in trouble? (She has had a lot of character development pre-game, and is in the "High Risk" category based on confessional count.)
Edited to add: 
This vidcap from a new promo(1/23) at Phoenix ,(Thanks VG!) shows Jolanda and Jennifer(?) running out of the water...so it's probably Day 1 after they swim to shore and run up to the green Survivor Banner?
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01-24-05, 11:31 AM (EST)
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9. "Relay Assault Course?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-24-05 AT 11:32 AM (EST)Given the shots of Jolanda and Jenny(?) sprinting down the beach and the shot of Kim trying to keep her balance, could the challenge be some sort of relay assault course? The one-on-one nature of the sprinting makes me think it could be a relay. If so, it would make sense for whichever tribe has Jolanda to choose her to do the running portion, since she was a track star in a former life. It would also make sense that Kim would be doing the balance portion for her tribe. An assault course would be consistent with a military theme. Just an idea.  Fester
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10. "Two separate boat arrival picks" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-24-05 AT 01:30 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-24-05 AT 01:27 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 01-24-05 AT 01:24 PM (EST) I am convinced that the boat arriving shown with the survivors at the beginning of this series is a different arrival of the boat later, when they are shown all to be baling out quite quickly. Here are the original arrival shots:
Note that Ian is in the green shirt seated toward the back of the boat that is farthest away from shore, the stern of the boat. He is seated well toward the back on the right hand side, close to where James and Janu are seated. Now in these shots of the arriving boat he is seated far more the bow of the boat, also on the right hand side:
He is seated really close to Jolanda who is the closest to the bow of the boat. This is clearly a different position than where he is seated in the original arrival shots. This must be part of some kind of race as they do seem to be jumping ship quite quickly! In the shots of the boat arriving with Jolanda at the bow, where they are bailing out quite quickly, I am able to account for: Ian, Angie, Jennifer, Bobby Jon, Ashlee, Wanda, Tom Jolanda, Kimmer, James, Janu, Cobey, and Katie....The ones that come into question then are: Gregg, Jonathan, Ibrehem, Willard, Stephanie, Caryn and Jeff.
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11. "RE: Two separate boat arrival picks" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-24-05 AT 01:38 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-24-05 AT 01:37 PM (EST) Hate to follow my own posts, but the editing of the last one was getting ridiculous! So if the survivors in question as to their whereabouts when the boat arrives and they quickly bail out include Gregg, Jonathan, Ibrehem, Willard, Stephanie, Caryn, and Jeff. I am wondering if the two early boots are in the above list....If our weight loss spoilers are close to accurate(I know I'm reaching here!), then Gregg, Ibrehem and Stephanie should be safe. So that leaves perhaps are first two boots could be out of Caryn, Jeff, or Willard??? Go ahead, shoot this down! Edited to add: that I think I see Stephanie behind Coby and his pink shirt...
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01-24-05, 08:55 PM (EST)
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17. "Two seperate arrivals?" |
The two seperate arrivals is an interesting idea, but it seems to conflict with some of the conclusions we've made about the tribe selection event. (The point at which two are eliminated) If the tribes are split into Ulong and Koror at that that point, why would they row back to camp together as a group of 18? Are you speculating that the two tribes continue to live together? This idea conflicts with Survivor Maps, which has the two tribes located at seperate camps... What is the scenario that requires the second arrival by boat after two have been eliminated?
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01-25-05, 07:08 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: Two seperate arrivals?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 07:10 AM (EST)Krautboy, the two arrival scenarios was suggested by me as I really thought that their order in the boats was different in these two vidcaps:
In the top photo you can clearly see Ian on the right side of the boat with several rows of survivors behind him, when he turns around in the lower pic, none of the survivors seated behind him in the top pic are seen, where did they go? These two vidcaps led me to think about two separate arrivals, however, it could be just the camera and timing with the others, perhaps they are all still there????? In the vidcaps, I can clearly see the sand bar that they have run aground on, it's there and it makes sense. This could explain what looks to be their hasty departure. All of the speculation about who is absent, could all be for naught as they could all indeed be there. But, I do agree that they are called or led somewhere by Jiffy where 2 could be eliminated, and the tribes divided. I don't think that is the only possible scenario, however. As far as the two separate arrival scenario's, them taking a boat trip to explore their area is a very feasible explanation, after all they "are really lost" this time.... I am not suggesting that the boat is soley taken out to go to "the elimination area" where they are told to row back to camp as a single tribe. I was trying to see if the elimination had taken place already by trying to account for all of the survivers. As I mentioned, this process of eliminating them may all be for naught, but it makes for good speculation. And besides, I just love to dissect vidcaps!
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01-25-05, 07:15 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Two seperate arrivals?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 07:30 AM (EST)I have to say that I think that these are two different arrivals. The vidcaps we got from the ealry show have them casually getting of the boat. We then later have a second arrival sceen with them diving off etc. I think they are racing to something or someone after the second arrival. Also here is a shot of Kim getting out of the boat on the left side with Ashlee 
Here she is getting off on the other side no sand bar I can see with Ashlee diving in to swim to shore on her right. 
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22. "RE: Two seperate arrivals?" |
As you pointed out the water in the first picture is too shallow to dive into. But in the second picture, if there is a sandbar on one side of the boat, would the water be deep enough on the other side to dive into?
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01-25-05, 09:39 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Two seperate arrivals?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 09:40 AM (EST)the sand bar seen in the back of the boat looks far shallower than it does in the pic with Kimber, Ashlee, and Katie where it is knee deep....to me...
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24. "RE: Two seperate arrivals?" |
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I think it's two different landings also. I personally would not risk diving that close to the sandbar. I think that supports your theory that they are in a big hurry.
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25. "RE: Two seperate arrivals?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 11:48 AM (EST)Good observations on the caps, FP and PM. But I'm hard-pressed to imagine a planned scenario where all 20 have to get in the boat, row it somewhere, disembark, and then later on all get back in the boat and row it somewhere else. Maybe the boat runs aground on the sandbar before they've reached their destination. They all jump out, push the boat back into the water, then get back on in a different seating arrangement to continue the trip. The cap of Kimberly, Ashlee and Katie disembarking could be when they reach the final destination. Also, it looks like they have to row quite a long distance. I believe there are only ten oars on the boat, so it's possible some rowers switch off with people sitting in the middle. That could explain why the seating order gets rearranged in transit. 
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01-25-05, 12:10 PM (EST)
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30. "I believe they are all arrival shots" |
I'm starting to think that both "full boat" series are from the initial arrival. Here's why:1) Janu's position and clothing In both the series at sea and the hurried disembarkment, Janu is at the same end of the boat, wearing the same clothing (her frilly long-sleeve top, not the sleeveless one from other vidcaps).
2) Ashlee's top In this vidcap, you can see Ashlee wearing her yellow top, with no overshirt as we've seen in other vidcaps (first James's gray tank, then a black womens top). 3) Kim's top Kim is wearing her blue top, in precisely the same manner as she has it in the pic below, as well as in the cast photo. This, combined with Ashlee's yellow top, makes me think that what happened here is they arrived at the campsite, then jumped in and swam to shore (probably out of excitement/relief). Afterward, some of them (including Ashlee, Kim, Katie, Jeff, and James) went back to retrieve the boat, and bring it to shore. 
This explains why the women are soaking wet as they bring the boat in. James then retrieves his tank top, having discarded it on the row in. Puts it back on while bringing the boat in. The cast photo is taken. Shortly thereafter, he gives his shirt to her. She later finds something better, and gives it back to him. 4) Jenny's pink top These are the only caps we have of Jenny in her pink top. Presumably she has her black top on underneath it.
I have a couple of questions about this series of pics regards the footrace between Jolanda and Jenny(?). First, why are they racing? Jolanda is in full track mode, pumping her arms and getting full extension on her knees. This looks like more than friendly competition or "Gee! I'm happy we made it to shore!".
Second, what is Jenny carrying? Jenny (or whoever that is) is clearly carrying something in her right hand that looks cloth-like in nature. And if that's Jenny, her black top (seen elsewhere in vidcaps) does not match the pink top (that she presumably wore over the black) that she's wearing in the caps where they're exiting the boat quickly. However, Jolanda's outfit does match what she's wearing in the caps where she's at the bow of the boat (even including the shirt tied around the waist).
Perhaps Jenny took her pink top off, and that's what she has in her hand. The shoreline, shading (as regards time of day), and foliage gives the appearance that it's from roughly the same time as those caps where the players are diving off the boat. I can't explain the different positions of some in the boat in the 2 sequences, but it seems more logical to me that they rearranged themselves at some point during the trip to shore than that these are 2 distinct events. The clothing evidence just doesn't bear it out. If this were a challenge, where are the buffs? We know buffs get distributed during E1, and we know that buffs are worn by all players during challenges.
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01-25-05, 12:45 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
This is a pic that I think shows it is not the same location - where is the sand bar??? 
Also the still shots just dont do these pics justice - these people are racing - not just running to shore. 
There is just to many people who are in a different spot on the boat and I just cant buy that they are moving around in the boat while trying to get to shore - the oars are big enough for 2 people to hold onto no need to move around in the boat.
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01-25-05, 12:57 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: The boat position" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 01:01 PM (EST)In the picture of James and Jeff, the boat is significantly closer to shore than where the cast is diving off. I doubt that they're negotiating a sandbar in that shot. If it were a sandbar, where's everyone else? I believe the sandbar speculation had to do with a reason why they would've rearranged positions on the boat, which is a different argument. Edit to add: The angle of the shots is also different. In the one with everyone diving off, the camera is pointed toward the beach. In the cap with James and Jeff, the POV is from the beach. Fester
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36. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 01:00 PM (EST)I still believe that it is another arrival. I am more inclined to believe that it is indeed a race of some kind, thanks to Fester for pointing out that Jolonda had the same shirt tied around her waist, as for Jennifer, I do believe, if I had a soaking wet shirt on, that I'd certainly take it off, just as I think she has done in that cap. I'm inclined to believe she is running with her soaking wet shirt in hand. In the cap where they seem to have run aground on the sand bar, they all just seem to be bailing at once, as though it were a race of some kind. I think that if it were not a race and this were their first landing, I think you'd see more manners....guys perhaps jumping out first, stabalizing the boat, and then helping others out at the side of the boat. No one is stopping at all, looks to me like a mad dash. Jennifer and Jolanda were a few of the first ones out, and I think that they made a bee line to shore and are in full stride when they sprint on the beach...just does'nt fit that this is their first arrival on shore....to me.
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37. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 01:18 PM (EST)FP, I asked up above if the boat is moving when we see Jolanda looking off the back. It doesn't really look to me like anyone is doing anything, they are just sitting there, and they are facing every which way. I don't really see why Jolanda would be looking (attentively, it strikes me) off the back of the boat while they are in the middle of the water. And Ian seems to be turning around in reaction to something. It might be that they've just gotten in the boat and it is still moored and they are waiting; perhaps Jeff is arriving to tell them what to do and that is what Jolanda and Ian are reacting to. Then when they find out they have to row themselves to their destination, they rearrange themselves so that the stronger rowers are in position with the oars. I understand what you are saying, but I tend to agree with Fester that all of the boats caps are part of the same sequence, inconsistencies notwithstanding. And I believe everyone is present in all of them, even if we can't see some people.
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01-25-05, 01:39 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 01:52 PM (EST)Someone posted a gif of Ian turning his head looking toward the front of the boat, you can see his hair swinging in the back with the movement, which makes it seems as if he is reacting to something....I really don't know. I suppose your suggestions are plausible.(I'll try and go get it at Sucks) OK, here it is thanks to aka Ives at Sucks: 
When I first saw the pic it appeared to me as if they were just hitting the shore, landing....just my first impression. Upon seeing the other following caps, it seems to me that this shot of Jolanda at the helm is when they are about to, or have run aground. I could buy them rearranging themselves, and the guys even taking their shirts off as they work to row the boat. All I am saying is that these two caps, the one with Janu and James in the back, and then the others with Jolanda at the helm, are indeed different.....the rest is pure speculation, but I think valid speculation. Them all bailing out in a mad dash type scenario says more to me than they are initially landing for the first time..... Then coupled with the shots of them swimming to shore and the shot of Jolando and Jennifer in full stride validates, to me, that there is a reason for them to all be rushing.... I am certainly open to all speculation, and as we see every season, the vidcaps can lead us to the same conclusion, or to very different scenarios.....I just think there is more here then their initial arrival...
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01-25-05, 01:41 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 02:22 PM (EST)BR - I have always had a lot of respect for your opinion - and I'm not necessarily known to be a good spoiler but some things just make no sense to me for these to be the same arrival shots. At the CBS web site - the shot of the boat with Ian in the back - the boat is definately moving. Also, if they were going to re-position themselves in the boat - why would Ian reposition himself from an outside position in the front of the boat to an outside position in the back of the boat. Also in this shot you can see the small bit of sand to the right of the boat. 
If you did not have to hurry to land - would you not get off the boat on the left side - take off your shoes - outer clothes etc anything to keep the clothes as dry as possible? Seebs is making a big deal about them getting Lost for Real. Is it to far fetch to believe that they are given a map - directions to get to an Island and actually go to the wrong Island. It would take the camera crews a while to phone someone to ask what do we do? I know that there is a green flag - but that flag could be from the 2nd landing. I think that is what Jolanda is looking for a flag - to make sure it is the right place. Maybe she says something like "there it is" and that is why everyone turns their head. In past seasons you yourself have said that inconsistencies should be paid attention to. We are also being bombarded with "this is a different survior" so as far as the buffs go - I can not begin to predict when the will get them - right before the first challenge - if so then 2 people would never get buffs.
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01-25-05, 02:05 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-05 AT 02:06 PM (EST)All they would have to do is climb down onto the sand and push it. Also there people are diving off the edge - makes no sense to dive in shallow waters unless your in a hurry. 
In the real time video it shows them in a hurry and then later racing. Edited to add: if you reply with quote you can erase everything but the pic reference to copy the picture down.
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01-25-05, 02:44 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
I could see Ian being in a different place in the boat after working a couple of options to get the boat loose from the sandbar.rasslinmomma, pmspml already pointed out that this would not be possible; Ian dives into the water at the sandbar, but his clothes are dry in both of the boat caps. pmspml, it's certainly not out of the question that they would land at the wrong spot and then have to get back in the boat to find the correct location. That could account for the rearranged order. Since I haven't seen the animated promo I don't know what to make of the apparent hurry to get on land and the "racing" cap of Jolanda and the other person. I think Fester's explanation of the sandbar sequence makes some sense; they jump off and run to the beach, then several people go back and drag the boat from the sandbar to the beach. Mostly what I'm getting at is that I do think all of this happens as part of the arrival process and everyone is still there.
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02-04-05, 02:24 AM (EST)
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87. "RE: I believe they are all arrival shots" |
you are correct. she is wearing pink in both shots.
its not ur eyes, its my bad computer screen lol. her top looked black to me on my screen, although i could see the glimpse of pink, which is why i thought she had the pink hanging around her canteen strap. I now can see it's just dark (dark red) because the pink has been wet.
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43. "What if..." |
We already know they are not given any instructions, and are given nothing period. They are all rowing in the boat, in cap 17 it shows Ian do the neck lurch to see something behind him, Jolanda has a look on her face of shock, and several other heads are turning too. In Caps 7 and 8 it almost seems like a puff of white smoke coming from the wreckage, it could be a timed explosion, and that could be what turns the heads. As they get closer to shore, maybe the boat they are rowing is fired upon, or at least maybe the sounds of what sounds like gunfire is emitted from someplace. It fits the theme, and possibly the boat is stuck on the sandbar and now they want to just get the heck out of there because of the 'guns', so they dive off the boat and race to shore. Later, after the 'gunfire' stops, several go out to the boat to bring it to shore. They make comments like "this is crazy" and "this is a different survivor". They still have no direction as they try to figure out what to do, all 20 people there on the beach, with nothing. 
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46. "RE: What if..." |
Well, Jolanda is at the bow of the boat, and if there was an explosion behind them, they would be turning the other way....at any rate, I do like the sound of an explosion...sure would fit the scenario, Thanks KO, something like this is very feasable, and it fits with everything....we'll see!
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01-28-05, 02:24 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: What if..." |
I agree with you, I don't see a sandbar either, if you look at the caps of when the boat is small and the island in teh foreground, there is nothing but open water and smotth sailing between them and the beach. In the blown up shot of them jumping off, that back beige part is the rudder.I also question why is Jolanda holding onto the rope while standing in the boat? 
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57. "Initial boat positions" |
FWIW, now that we have 2 angles of the initial boat seating positions, I think I've identified where everyone was at first. Not sure what the value of this is, but since we spent a bunch of time kicking this around, I thought I might as well post this...
Based on these 2 pics, it seems this was the initial seating on the boat (<---- and ----> represent the oars--5 on each side of the boat): STERNJanu James <---- Jeff Tom Kim Wanda ----> <--- Willard Steph Ibrehem Ian ---> <---- Caryn Coby Jolanda Gregg ----> <--- Jenny Bobby Ashlee Katie ---> <---- Angie Jonathan ----> BOW Fester
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58. "RE: Initial boat positions" |
Excellent work there Fester! I think you have nailed the initial boat positions! I also think that VS has cleared up the sand bar speculation. It is now a non-issue as what was mistaken as a sandbar is indeed the rudder of the boat, as is clearly seen in the vidcaps above....Are we in agreement then that in this pic, they are indeed in different positions?
Perhaps they do indeed jump ship quickly in response to loud explosions or gun shot sounds as speculated by KOfan....and then perhaps later come back to secure the boat, and or to return to the boat as they are lost and unable to find what they are in search of, so they have to reboard and row else where?
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89. "More boat confusion" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-04-05 AT 03:01 PM (EST)From last night's promo... 
This appears to be yet a 3rd seating configuration. Jonathan is standing at the bow, searching the horizon for something (camp, maybe?). I see Jolanda and Janu to Jonathan's right, and Steph and Jenny to his left. Can anyone make out anybody else? Here's the original configuration... STERN Janu James <---- Jeff Tom Kim Wanda ----> <--- Willard Steph Ibrehem Ian ---> <---- Caryn Coby Jolanda Gregg ----> <--- Jenny Bobby Ashlee Katie ---> <---- Angie Jonathan ----> BOW It might suggest they get lost twice trying to find camp. Steph, Jolanda, and Jenny are wearing the same clothing found in other boat pics. Janu's hair is not tied back, as in some camp shots. Jonathan has taken off his shirt, but that wouldn't be a surprise, if they've been at sea for hours. I suppose it's possible that this is after the initial tribal selection, and Ulong (presence of Stephanie) is trying to find the second camp. Jonathan and Stephanie's clothing are consistent with the "march with Jeff" footage. Jenny might've had to give Gregg's(?) overshirt back to him if they're on different sides. Janu would've had to have let her hair back down, though. Also, I still count 10 oars. If it takes two people to operate one oar, then that's too many for a boat with only 9 people in it. Right now, I'm leaning toward the first idea. They haven't found camp yet. Thoughts? Fester
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90. "RE: More boat confusion" |
I saw this cap last night too. I think Ibrehem is behind Jolanda and in front of Janu.If they do get lost once or several times en route to camp, I wonder how much, if any, of that we are going to see. It seems like it would eat up quite a bit of time. Another thing is bothering me: the Tom spoiler. This is what his friend posted on Sucks: They walked hours to find a camp and Tom said it was tough but he followed a young guy around who acted like the leader. The camp with the green flag is right on the beach so why would they have to walk hours to get to it? Wouldn't they stay in the boat until they saw the flag and then row the boat in? Unless they get so frustrated and tired from paddling that they just decide to bring the boat in and walk the beach until they find it, I suppose.
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91. "RE: More boat confusion" |
Could the Tom spoiler have been after they were separated into teams? Maybe Probst gives one tribe (Tom's) a map to their camp (which is different from the first camp), and they get lost going to it.
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92. "RE: More boat confusion" |
Maybe. It would make more sense, imo, especially with the part about Tom following a leader. From the post it sounds like it was the first thing they did, but that might just be the friend's interpretation.Here's the complete post: Tom has been back at work for a while now and he hasn't said much of anything to my husband but we do know that this show is different from the others. It starts off like Robinson Crusoe with no food or knifes, only a map with directions. They walked hours to find a camp and Tom said it was tough but he followed a young guy around who acted like the leader. He was disappointed with some of the guys and tried to rally them together and tried to explain to to them that a firefighter has brothers, not co workers and if they stick together they can accomplish anything. The younger guys didn't care and hooked up with the girls.
He looks very healthy and said it was worth the experience but he would do it again differently. That's all I have.
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65. "Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
Look at these...
Now look at these... 
There's actually one more shot I've yet to see converted to vidcap of Coby looking near tears. I have little doubt that the pics of Bobby John (with Janu behind him) and Jenny are from the first elimination. And I am now thinking that Jeff is taking them to that ceremony/pick 'em/competition. Bobby's shirtless in both the march pic and the elimination pic. Janu's got the same jeans on in both as well. Now, I know that they probably both were dressed like that for the majority of E1. I didn't include them as conclusive proof, just to show that they don't discount this idea. The proof, for me, is Jenny. The only footage we have of her in the brown overshirt is the march with Jeff. Now, look at the vidcap where she's wiping the tear from her eye. (Side note: That is most definitely what she's doing. Having seen the footage in motion, I've have zero doubts on that item.) She's wearing the same brown shirt. We can only see the collar, but that collar only matches that brown shirt, and not the other tops we have footage of her in. So, until further visual evidence presents itself, I'm betting that Jeff is taking them to the first elimination. I'm also betting that that first elimination is some form of pick 'em or other non-competitive setting. All the sad reaction shots are with the players at rest. None look winded, or like they've taken part in some sort of physical contest. Yet they all look like someone(s) has/have been booted. Fester
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66. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
Fester: Your pre-season analysis has been razor sharp, and this is no exception.Bobby Jon, Jennifer and Coby are emotional and reacting empathetically to what must be a very emotional reaction from the two eliminated. I think we can assume those shown are safe, and just reacting to an emotional event. This also supports our spec that the shot of Kimberley (not looking happy as she receives her buff) is taken shortly after the elimination event. Receiving buffs will be a bittersweet event...
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68. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-02-05 AT 07:31 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 02-02-05 AT 07:13 AM (EST) Fester, here, here, you are indeed razor sharp this season! I think it is a safe assumption that the 3 survivors shown to be reacting to the "emotional" elimination of two, are indeed safe. I think it appears that Bobby Jon and Coby are reacting while still in some lineup facing the two choosers, while Jennifer is reacting, perhaps after the pick 'em is over and they have divided into groups, perhaps to receive their buffs...as she is directly facing Gregg on the right(her left), and someone else on her left (perhaps Caryn)? So, we can now continue to cross off survivors that are believed to be safe from the first eliminations. Kimber, Stephanie, Angie (All seen to have blue buff on)
Coby: Seen with Koror flag, and reacting to the elimination
Tom: Seen next to Coby reacting to the elimination
Bobby Jon: Seen reacting to elimination
Janu: Seen behind Bobby Jon reacting to elimination
Jennifer, Greg, and Caryn?: Seen together after the pick 'em reacting to the elimination. ??Ian and Jolanda: Seen in vidcaps with a color associated with it that we speculate is representative that these survivors make it to a tribe. This has been speculated and discussed in posts #18 and 19 in pmspml5's thread, Tribes and First Boot Speculation. James, Gregg, Ian, and Jonathan are seen competing in a challenge, so must be safe from the first eliminations. All in all, we have eliminated 14 from being the first two boots, leaving Wanda, Willard, Ashlee, Katie, Jeff, and Ibrehem. Two in this group will be out!
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67. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
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69. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
Great spec Fester, but I don't think Jeff is taking them to the elimination ceremony, I think he arrives on the beach after they have had a day or 2 to wonder what the heck they are doing there as they have received no instructions, there are 20 people, and they are all on one island.Jeff shows up to let them know that right now you guys are going to do "this" and the last 2 will be going home. The two people who can't finish whatever "this" is, leave the beach in a boat and this illicits tears from a few of the DAWS. Now Jeff says "follow me" and he leads them to the first challenge. They draw buffs and split into 2 tribes, Ulong and Korer and compete in a grueling challenge of strength, stamina, and balance. After the challenge is over, they find out they are now going to live at separate beaches, separate camps. It has been an emotionally taxing first few days. They don't know which end is up. As far as first boot candidates, I think we can whittle the list down some more because of weight loss spoilers for Ibreham, and Katie, and I think Jolanda, plus you can see Katie in the walking pic. That leaves:
Caryn, Ashlee, Jeff, Wanda, and Willard One would think Jeff would be strong or quick enough to get through and elimination type competition. Also wasn't there some spec on Willard losing weight? I think the people who are guessing Wanda and Ashlee based on the exposure in the promo caps and all other evidence are pretty spot on.
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70. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
Yes KO, so far I have pegged Wanda and Ashlee to be the first to go....all of the pre-show hype for Ashlee, and eliminating Wanda from this youthful, superachiever group just makes plain sense. As for Ashlee, it just doesn't sit right for me, and please I do not intend to offend any Mormons out there as I know that there are varying degrees in any religious affiliation, but a young, round, oozing sex mormon, ...a sexy mormon is kind of an oxymoron to me....sorry!
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02-02-05, 12:36 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-02-05 AT 01:03 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 02-02-05 AT 12:41 PM (EST) >Bianca, you seem to be getting sourced info --
Yes, I do have a source, and they stated that the castaways were not very happy during the walk with Jeff. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "upset" as they aren't exactly crying or anything there...but they don't look happy at all. >I thought you already posted that the first twist comes *after* the walk with Jeff?
Yes, I was told that it was very good that I noted that they didn't look happy during the walk with Jeff as one of the big twists (didn't say the "first") happens right AFTER that walk. Sorry, I don't know the details on the twist though. I don't know WHY exactly they are unhappy during the walk either. I was just told that they weren't happy. Just to be clear, I was not suggesting that players were eliminated before the walk. Sorry for any confusion.
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76. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
I'd say they look anxious or untrusting more than upset. It's possible Jeff shows up (on Day 2?) and asks how things are going. The Survivors are all befuddled. He says, well, the changes have just begun, and summons them for the walk. They would understandably be put off, if not sweating bullets. Then they arrive at the destination, make the first 2 cuts and tribal selections, and return to camp--very shaken.Considering how big a leap cutting 2 folks before the first TC is, they would be much more visibly shaken if these shots were taken afterward, imo. All you have to do is look at the caps where it's all going down (Jenny, Coby, Bobby Jon) to see that. Fester
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80. "RE: Pic with jen Crying" |
They are looking at her, though the person on the right looks to be Gregg, not Ian.
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81. "RE: Pic with jen Crying" |
That's what I had first thought too. It looked to me that Jenn had to choose between those two people.
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86. "RE: Walk with Jeff to first boots" |
Has EPMB ever eliminated any one via any other means than a Tribal Council vote before? No, I don't think he has either, but with the episode titled "This Has Never Happened Before", its a good bet something like that will happen. Since we know that they are only doing a 60 minute show, they would have to eliminate one or two by means other than standard tribal councils. Three tribal councils would take most of the show, not leaving any time to give us reasons for the boots. I like the idea of some sort of draft happening, but short of that imo, the competiton idea with the last two to finish going home makes the most sense. 
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93. "??ASHLEE makes the first eliminations???" |
Here's a new cap with Bobby Jon clearly seen in the Ulong/Blue buff. But pay particular attention to the two women standing behind him....
I think that the woman standing on the left side of this frame with the black shorts on with a white tassled belt is Kimber...here's a comparison pic...you can just make out the white tassle... 
We already know that Kimber survives the first two eliminations because we have seen her with her blue buff on. The other woman on the right side of the frame, I think is ASHLEE...note how light these slacks are....she is the only one with light slacks. Jenn has a slightly darker khaki skirt. I think this is a pic of Ashlee behind Bobby Jon with her light colored slacks on and the nude colored top on that she wears as she comes off the boat. Here are some pics for comparison.... 
Would definately like some feedback on this as I had speculated that Ashlee would not make the tribal split as she would be one of the two eliminated... I also would like to know if there is a third person directly standing behind BJ? Can't make that one out...
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96. "RE: ??ASHLEE makes the first eliminations???" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-05 AT 08:16 AM (EST)After making my post I went and scouted around at sucks and the concensus there seems to be that that is indeed Ashlee on the right side of that frame as well. One person had a larger cropped pic and was able to confirm it was her by noting the bracelet that she wears on her right arm. From SamBuru:
 Note the bracelet on her right arm:
 So, now we know for sure: Ulong: Kimber, Stephanie, Angie, Bobby Jon, and most likely Ashlee. Coror: Coby We have seen vidcap evidence of James competing in a challenge.
We speculate that the concerned pics of BJ is after the elimination that he is safe, as well as Janu, who is standing behind him. We also speculate, for the same reason that Tom is safe as he stands next to the reacting Coby after the eliminations. We also speculate that Gregg, Caryn, and Jennifer are safe as they console Jenn after the elimination. We also have a vidcap of Jolanda wearing the Palau money necklace, which may only be significant if she won it, which is what peeps are speculating. So therefore she could be considered safe as well. Out of the people left, we have a solid weight loss spoiler for Ibrehem. This leaves the following first boot candidates: Jeff, Wanda, Jonathan, Katie, Ian, and Willard We also have spoilers that say the first two that are eliminated are both women, which leaves us to conclude that Wanda and Katie are our first two eliminated boots. I have one comment to make regarding this so far. I don't think that Janu can be discounted as she stands behind the reacting to the boot elimination BJ. BJ could be making this face as Jeff announces that now I am going to eliminate two of you...so, perhaps our first two eliminated are two of Wanda, Katie, or Janu or it is false information that the first two eliminated are both women and that would leave our first two boot picks out of Jeff, Wanda, Jonathan, Katie, Ian, Willard, and Janu. Some folks at Sucks are arguing that the Janu is caught here with a buff on....you can barely see the white lettered oval on her center chest... 
SamBuru and Miss Rabbit speculate that there is a third person between Kimber and Ashlee and that it is Willard in his grey undies...they note that you can see "his package"! 
So, if this is indeed proof that Janu and Willard both survive the first eliminations, our list is narrowed down to: Jeff, Wanda, Jonathan, Katie, or Ian and if the spoiler is to be believed, than our first two boots/eliminations are Wanda and Katie
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99. "RE: ??ASHLEE makes the first eliminations???" |
Sorry, I should have included the rest of the caps. This cap follows the one above with the koror sign on it, notice the gold ring.. 
Same ring as Ian is wearing 
I've had it confirmed that it is Ian with the Koror paddle and that he is on Koror.
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102. "RE: ??ASHLEE makes the first eliminations???" |
Great work, FP! That is definitely Ashlee behind BJ. I can see where some would speculate that they can see Willard in there as well, but I'm not sold.My question is, now that we can see BJ with a buff, and with 2 (or 3) other tribemates behind him, why do we still think the shot of him with Janu behind him is post-selection? I think the emergence of this new cap makes it more likely that shot is pre-selection, and puts Janu back on the hot seat for elimination. In looking at the very grainy cap of Janu with the mysterious "circle", I just don't see the logo. What I see is a lot of shadow. Knowing that she's wearing a mesh shirt in this shot, the light could do all sorts of funky things to it. And why would she wear it around her midsection? Has any Survivor ever done that? They wear it as a top, bracelet, headwrap, or armband. I've never seen anyone wear it around their belly, which is where that alleged circle is on Janu. I remain unconvinced on that score. For me, it's still down to Janu and Katie for the other first elimination slot. It could very well be Katie, I'm just not convinced we have irrefutable evidence, like what you just discovered for Ashlee. Another point that I'm going to try to work on today -- In the shot of Ashlee you used to show the bracelet, I see her wearing a necklace. It looks like the same money necklace that Jolanda is wearing on other caps. I'll have to do a compare to see if they are indeed the same one. Fester
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103. "RE: ??ASHLEE makes the first eliminations???" |
Right now I'm in agreement with you, Fester. I am not convinced as well, that that is Janu with a buff, although the girls do tend to wrap their buffs around their middles, like this....hers has slipped down, however I do think that she has on her little undergarment with the thin straps. As for Willard in that shot, I am also not 100% that this is him....it could be though.I also agree that I think the reaction shot of BJ could just be when Jiffy leads them somewhere and they are lined up and he notifies them that two people will be eliminated.....I don't think that pic with him "reacting" is necessarily post elimination, it could well be pre-elimination. As for the ring on the right hand of the rower, it sure does look to match Ian's ring....good catch Bianca! So for now we know: Ulong: Kimber, Stephenie, Angie, Bobby Jon, Ashlee
Koror: Coby, Ian
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104. "Not the same necklace" |
Looking at these 3 caps, I think we can say that, while these necklaces are similar, they're not the same one. I thought perhaps if they were, knowing that Bianca has a source saying the necklace isn't part of the game, we might be able to identify a relationship there. Given that Ashlee is wearing what might've been Jolanda's top, it might've been some kind of exchange, where Jolanda lets Ashlee wear her top, and Ashlee, feeling thankful, lets Jolanda wear her necklace. Much ado about nothing. Carry on. Fester
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110. "RE: ??ASHLEE makes the first eliminations???" |
Well, it seems we have conflicting info on Katie, then. This quote is from an article about Katie:"When Gallagher returned, Rossi (Katie's friend from 4th grade to present) said she did not notice much physical change in her friend's appearance. 'I can't say she looks super different,' she said. 'She's always been fit.'" VG, if you're out there, do you have a source for this weight loss spoiler, or is it a friend of a friend kind of thing? Fester
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124. "RE: ??ASHLEE makes the first eliminations???" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-05 AT 04:01 PM (EST)I thought about that Pepe, but then I wondered if her friend wouldn't have noticed that prior to her leaving. There are a couple of other options here, as well. 1) Katie's friend is playing coy, knowing that the question might've been asked to gain some spoiler info. 2) Katie's friend, knowing that what she's saying is going into a newspaper, said that Katie's always been fit because she's her friend and wanted to only say positive things. 3) Katie's friend truly believes that Katie's always been fit, based on whatever that means to her, personally. I'm just curious where the source is that said she lost weight. VG said it was "reported". Reported by whom? An inside source? Some publication? Word of mouth? Fester
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127. "Willard still unknown." |
FP: Just caught up on my reading...great work in this thread!I recall seeing a shot of Willard in the "walking with Jeff" to the elimination event,(Think it was over at SSucks), in which Willard is wearing his long pants. The poster joked about it being the only shot of Willard wearing pants. My point is that if Willard wore pants to walk weith Jeff to the elimination, he wouldn't take them off during the elimination and tribe selection. In that case, what we see behind Bobby Jon is something or someone other than Willard. Willard should still be considered a potential early departure candidate along with Wanda, unless there is other evidence to show he makes it to one of the two tribes...
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133. "RE: Willard still unknown." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-05 AT 11:40 PM (EST)
Bianca: It's possible that this hug is a post Challenge "good sportsmanship hug" where Ian the winner is receiving a hug from Jolanda who just lost the challenge as part of the Ulong Tribe along with Bobby Jon. Since they all got to know each other for a day or two before the first challenge, it's not inconceivable that that would congratulate each other after a competition... The picture makes me question whether Ian is even wearing a buff around his neck at all...
Here's the armband of Jolanda in a pre-buff vidcap, so I don't think we are looking at a brown buff around Jolanda's bicep. Jolanda may have a blue buff around her neck or on her head, or this may be a pre-buff shot and neither is wearing a buff yet. In fact, the brown thing at Ian's neck may just be Jolanda's armband, and buffs may not have been handed out yet... Then why is Jolanda hugging Ian and why is Ian so happy? Have Jolanda and Ian just won the competition that makes them the "pick 'em" captains? These two could easily win a race to determine the first pickers.
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135. "RE: Willard still unknown." |
Krautboy, excellent points here. Thanks to the two pics you posted, I deduce that there are no buffs at all seen in the pic with Jolanda hugging Ian. What I think peeps were seeing is that arm band she has been wearing all along, it's pretty long and I think that it blows up in the cap with Ian. It's really hard to deduce anything from this pic really, other than Jolanda is grateful for something....IMO, or perhaps Ian is grateful for something...
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02-07-05, 05:31 PM (EST)
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129. "RE: Willard still unknown." |
Hi Krautboy! Well, I don't know what to think regarding Willard. I am not convinced that that is indeed him in the new cap with BJ and his buff, with Kimber and Ashlee....have definately not discounted it though either.As for him walking to the elimination with Jiffy, I just don't know if we can put too much stock into that being just before the cap of BJ with the buff. As they are walking with Jiffy, BJ has no shirt on and is carrying his sneaks,see Brownroach's posts up above in this thread of the walking with Jiffy to the elimination vidcaps, while in the buff pic, he's got his shirt on....must've had to go back and get it after the elimination and then gone off perhaps to set up camp with his fellow Ulongians? Just not sure about the time frame.... Here's the only pic I can find at fever that even remotely shows a glimpse of Willard...he's definately got no shirt, or may have his grey wife beater t-shirt on, but I am not able to see what he's wearing, or not wearing below! 
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02-07-05, 11:43 AM (EST)
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105. "? Jennifer eliminated?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-05 AT 11:46 AM (EST)As far as I know so far, Jennifer has not been seen with a buff or in part of a challenge(other then running onto the beach with Jolanda in the beginning). Here's a thought that has crossed my mind that I have not heard even mentioned anywhere....Could this be a pick of Jenn after she has been ELIMINATED and Gregg and Caryn are consoling her and saying goodbye???? 
Why are we so quick to think that she is reacting to someone or someothers being eliminated? Could it be that she is the one who is first out....this most certainly could cause tears.... ETA: Maybe she had to go talk to Gregg after getting eliminated as she had to return his shirt that she's wearing....it does make some sense....would welcome all feedback on this... Just trying to figure out who the first two eliminated are.....
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02-07-05, 11:59 AM (EST)
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106. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-05 AT 12:23 PM (EST)I think the reticence has to do with folks not thinking MB would show us the first boots like that. Speculating further about this pic, though, what is that greenish thing over Jenny's right shoulder? Is it Ian's shirt? It's not natural backdrop, I don't think, based on its shape and color. It certainly does look like someone's shoulder. The color would come close to matching Ian's shirt, but he's so much taller than Jen, I doubt his shoulder would be that low. Jenny's back is to the inland, as there are trees behind her. If she were saying goodbye, and about to board a boat, wouldn't she have her back to the water? If that is Ian, then I'd say that this is a shot of the Koror tribe, since Caryn and Gregg haven't been placed as of yet. Unfortunately, I think that green blob is too low to be Ian's shoulder. ETA: Could it be Caryn behind Jen? This is a better fit size-wise. However, the area in question looks greener in the cap with Jen. I can't find another top that comes closer to matching, though. 
Caryn is shown in most caps with her shirt tied around her, but in order for it to be her behind Jen, she'd have to be wearing it as in the pic above. Unfortunately, she's one of the people we don't have caps of marching with Jeff. Another point is that Caryn's top is striped. Even blurred and in the background there would be a hint of stripes if that were Caryn's shirt. Now I'm perplexed. I've convinced myself that there's someone behind Jen. The color seems closer to Ian's shirt, but the height would indicate it's not him. The height would indicate a woman, since all the men are significantly taller than Jen, but the color's not a good match for any of them. Fester
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02-07-05, 12:54 PM (EST)
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109. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-05 AT 12:55 PM (EST)Thanks Bianca, that helps me out. So for now the two that are likely to be eliminated could be: Jeff, Jonathan, Wanda, Katie, or Jennifer, and in particular either Wanda, Katie, or Jennifer. As for your thoughts on the green to Jenn's left in the frame, I think you are right on, Fester. It most certainly appears to be Ian's green shirt, and if you look closely I think you can see the back of his head/hair just at the ear level of Jen, under her earring. I think it's Ian bending over there, that would explain why he's so much shorter...I don't know what significance it has though, as we are speculating that this is a shot right after the elimination has been announced, so it could be before they split into tribes. But, if it is after they have split into tribes than this would imply that Ian, Caryn, Jenn, and Gregg could all be on the same tribe. If it is indeed after the tribes have separated than we know that Ian, Caryn, Jenn, Gregg, and Coby are all on Koror, as we have proof that Ian is a member of Koror.
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02-07-05, 01:45 PM (EST)
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112. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
Hi FP!"Thanks Bianca, that helps me out. So for now the two that are likely to be eliminated could be: Jeff, Jonathan, Wanda, Katie, or Jennifer, and in particular either Wanda, Katie, or Jennifer." Let's not be so quick with assuming that the second person eliminated before the IC (besides Wanda) is female. As VG posted on Survivor Phoenix: "The second player cut is rumored to be a woman, but that is still somewhat murky at this point. We do know it will not be Kimberly, who is shown wearing a blue buff at some undetermined point in the game. We can rule out Stephenie as well, since she appears to be in front of Kimberly in that shot; presumably, they are in the same tribe. Katie can probably be ruled out as well, as she is reported to have achieved her stated goal of weight loss (nudge-nudge, wink-wink.)" Link:
http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1102 So, the gender of the second person eliminated is still murky. 
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02-07-05, 01:59 PM (EST)
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113. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
HI FOREHEAD! Thrilled to see you! Are you ready, only 1 week from Thursday, let the games begin!I am with you on this point, forehead! I have not ruled out that one of the two eliminated could still be a male! So the list includes: Wanda, Jeff, Jonathan, Katie, and Jennifer! For Fester, I went and grabbed this gif of the reacting Jennifer, in hopes that the green in the background could be better seen....I don't know...now I question if that is Ian leaning over....what do you think?
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02-07-05, 02:21 PM (EST)
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114. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
Good find FP! It appears to me that the thing is on her shoulder. Her shirt. The thing appears to be moving with her IMHO.
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02-07-05, 03:10 PM (EST)
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118. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
BR, you and Fester seem to be on the same page. I think I must be concentrating on something different than you two because to me it is clearly moving.
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02-07-05, 03:25 PM (EST)
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120. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-07-05 AT 03:32 PM (EST)No, it's not moving, but at the beginning of the footage, you can see its edge and that it slopes down. It looks even more like a shoulder to me now. ETA: OK, maybe I've been staring at this .gif too long, but it's starting to look to me like someone has their arm around Jen, here. Look at her left shoulder, and tell me if you think someone has their arm around her, and might be pulling her toward them. And could that be our mysterious "green person"? It might be plausible that Jen is the picker. She's dejected at having to send someone home. Her new tribe surrounds her to comfort her. Ian leans over and puts his arm around her shoulder, pulling her closer to give her a consolation hug. Is that too far fetched? Fester
The more I look at this, the more confused I get.
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02-07-05, 02:35 PM (EST)
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115. "RE: ? Jennifer eliminated?" |
The green "thing" doesn't appear to move in that .gif. If it's Ian, he isn't in motion here. I still think it's a person, but can't figure how that could be Ian, who's the most logical match.Looking at Jen's expression, though, it seems as if her eyes are focused beyond the 2 people in front of her. To me, it seems like she's watching the boat leave with the 2 boots, and it might be part of a fade-out shot used to convey the emotion of the situation. MB uses these all the time after challenges -- slo-mo shots of the winners celebrating, and the losers hanging their heads. The sequence might go like this: Pick-em ends, and the 2 boots say their goodbyes.
We see the boots get on the boat.
The boat speeds away.
Cut back to the shore for remaining castaway reactions, including this one from Jen.
Scene fades out to commercial or next scene. Fester
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