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6. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-13-05 AT 12:18 PM (EST)The copy is a bit contradictory: "Palau will feature 20 contestants, three of whom will be booted at the end of the first episode." then "Two people don't make it to the first challenge..." Maybe the first blurb means booted BY the end of the first episode, and the two people who don't make it to the challenge leave before the end of the show? Or maybe the two people are incapable of competing in the challenge but don't quit, per se, and then get booted at the end of the episode? 
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3. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
I still think that my original idea going along with Palau cultural history would work...maybe slightly different, but similar.Say there is one tribe in the beginning. The tribemates will each start out with one person who is their 'counterpart' (if you will). I think this might be the same little quote i posted before, but I can't remember as it was probably a month ago or so... Palau's social organization is highly complex and competitive. The race for money, prestige and power, the main thrust of which used to be for political power within a clan or village, was the focus from which most events occurred, such as sports competitions and wars. Palauan villages were, and still are, organized around 10 clans reckoned matrilineally. A council of chiefs from the 10 ranking clans governed the village, and a parallel council of their female counterparts held a significant advisory role in the control and division of land and money. So could we have a 'council' of sorts of men and a 'council' of women, all still being one tribe (at least at the outset) - with some sort of 2-person clan set-up? Maybe they spend the first episode as one tribe and then break off into women vs. men once the first 'clan' is eliminated after the first 'council meeting'. It could be possible that they only use this 'clan' thing for the initial challenge that will remove two players almost immediately...it seems that it would be too hard to have these people linked together in any sort of permanent way if they are on opposing tribes (logistics for TV votes also wouldn't work...can't have a one-person clan so would they both go home when one was voted off...see - doesn't make a whole lot of sense). I don't know...I just can't shake the issue since this is the first time they've ever had 20 (seems too much to be coincidence) and that goes right along with Palaun culture.
 
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13. "RE: Clothing: Pearl Island-esque?" |
One other thing - as noted in another thread - the flage is green but there are shots of a blue buff. Why a green flag - then a blue buff.The voice over from SEEbs says that "3 castaways will be going home before this night is over" That with 2 people dont make it to the first challenge some people do get lost and I think it is just too much for them - I say 2 people quit 
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16. "RE: Clothing: Pearl Island-esque?" |
They could get lost looking for water or food, and don't make it back in time to go to the challenge.
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17. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
A couple of things:1) I know The Early Show segment and web story state that the twenty contestants start the game as "one tribe," but it might be worth noting that CBS's official press release makes no such claim, stating only that "the castaways will begin as one group of 20, with three being sent home in the first episode." Nor does the Variety story mention the word "tribe" anywhere -- I'm beginning to thing this might just be sloppy writing on the part of the Early Show scriptwriters. 2) Burnett's Variety quote makes it quite clear that two people don't even make it to the first challenge -- which its hard to envision being an individual immunity challenge with eighteen different competitors. I've incorporated EXACTLY what had been stated by CBS's publicity folks and Burnett into the below story that we published this morning -- right now, as far as I'm concerned, I'm leaning toward any "three people are booted at the end of the episode" or "compete as one tribe" talk to be sloppy reporting until I hear otherwise from either CBS PR or an interview with Burnett, Jiffy, etc. http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=3182 -SB
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20. "Here's a possibility" |
There are two tribes... but only one camp.Hence the blue buff (and a yet unseen buff), and the green flag with no tribal name. That would be a twist full of drama. Exist in the same camp with the other tribe, after reward challenges and bitter immunity challenges. Make alliances with folks outside your tribe, and then go to challenges determined to knock them out. 
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21. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
Fresh survivor ideas for a new season. Great idea. How bad can it be? Nothing was less interesting than Survivor Thailand and this sounds like it has promise to be one of the best yet.
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22. "The first 2 boots" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 03:58 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 01:43 PM (EST) In trying to determine the method of elimination for the first 2 bootees, I thought it would be helpful to break down the fact from the speculation from the remaining questions. Below, I've tried to do that. What we know 1. 3 players will go home in the first episode (per CBS promo) 2. This is "by design" (per Mark Burnett, Daily Variety article), which means that we have no unexpected quitters in E1 that might throw off the rest of the game. All 3 were meant to leave in the first 3 days of filming. 3. 2 players do not make it to the first challenge (per Mark Burnett, Daily Variety article). This mean that only 18 players will be competing in the first IC, whether that be individual, 2 teams of 9, or 3 teams of 6. 4. While there is a green, nameless tribal flag, we have visual evidence of a blue tribal buff (per vidcap of Kimberly), which is consistent with the buff spoilers pre-Early Show segment. 5. All 20 Survivors make it to camp (per vidcaps containing all 20 in and around camp), so the first elimination isn't a "Last 2 to arrive" scenario. 6. The first 2 are eliminated some time between when they all arrive on the beach and the first challenge begins.
What seems likely (at least to me)
1. The first 2 bootees are not voted out at a traditional TC. No one (or no tribe) will have immunity at that point. 2. The presence of the blue buff probably means that there will be at least 2 tribes competing for tribal immunity at the first challenge. 3. Tribal divisions (whether they be just for the first IC and subsequent TC or more permanent) will occur prior to departure to the first challenge (again, per Kimberly vidcap which looks to be pre-IC). 4. I think we can rule out individual competition as the method of determining the first 2 boots. Even an unconventional, as yet unnamed challenge would, in MBs mind, still be a challenge. We know the first 2 boots dont make it that far. 5. The 3rd boot in E1 will go home the standard route. IC losers go to TC and vote someone out. 6. The visual confirmation of the blue tribal buff would seem to validate the other colors, of which we have at least 2 more. What we dont know 1. We know the first 2 bootees dont compete in the first IC. Do they get eliminated from the game before the tribes arrive at the IC? While saying they dont make it to the first challenge implies they dont even make the trip, all Burnetts language states for certain is that they dont compete in the challenge. 2. Do the tribal selection and the first boots happen at the same meeting, or is there some time between the 2 events? 3. What is the method of departure for the first 2 boots? Will they be voted out by their new tribes in some sort of ad-hoc TC? Will they be eliminated in the tribal selection process itself (i.e. last 2 not picked are automatically booted)? Or will it be some other method? 4. (Per Brownroach) Are the first 2 boots eliminated at the same time, and are they eliminated by the same method?
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01-14-05, 03:24 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: The first 2 boots" |
I'm thinking that after the first day or so, they make 3 teams of 6 to compete in the challenge, that would automatically leave 2 of them out.
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28. "Who does the choosing?" |
Out of a sense of fairness (and MB's cruel sense of irony), I don't think they'd have predetermined tribal selectors. In Vanuatu they had the tribes choose "chiefs".If 2 players are going home as a result of the tribal selection, I'd think that MB would have some sort of chief election first. Here's a potential scenario:
Jeff greets the tribe on the morning of Day 3 and says "You've had 2 days to get to know everyone. Now it's time to see how well you've gotten to know them. You'll be voting for the people you want to choose the tribes. Write the names of the 2 people you'd like to see choose the tribes. The top 2 vote-getters will do the tribal selection. A word of warning, though. Choose very carefully. Your fate in this game could be decided by this vote." The reason I don't think it's a tribal elder thing is twofold. First, I don't think MB would give anyone a free pass in a boot scenario. And second, I don't think he'd want the fate of the 2 boots to be tied to predetermined people. It makes for more drama this way. The tribal selectors are elected. Jeff then tells the selectors that they will alternate picks, choosing whomever they want, until all but 2 Survivors remain. Those last 2 will be booted from the game. The more I think about this, the cooler it might be. Can you imagine the bargaining that will start to happen when the available pool gets down to 6, 5, 4, and 3? Fester
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01-14-05, 06:00 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Who does the choosing?" |
Out of a sense of fairness (and MB's cruel sense of irony), I don't think they'd have predetermined tribal selectors. In Vanuatu they had the tribes choose "chiefs". I agree, Fester. No contestant has ever left the game by chance. Three quit, the others have either been voted out or lost the Final IC. Even PROD Paschal had his fate in his own hands. All he had to do was change his vote. No one gets a free pass.
The tribal selectors are elected. Jeff then tells the selectors that they will alternate picks, choosing whomever they want, until all but 2 Survivors remain. Those last 2 will
be booted from the game.
The more I think about this, the cooler it might be. Can you imagine the bargaining that will start to happen when the available pool gets down to 6, 5, 4, and 3? I like this approach as well. One of the criticisms of the game during the past few iterations is that the strong (read hot bodies) are voted out too early while the physically, and often strategically inferior, players remain in the game becuase they aren't threats. This scenario allows the tribes to eliminate the old/weak/small/slow/etc., anyone who couldn't pull their weight physically. And think Scout when you read that. Although, under similiar circumstances in Van., I think she would have survived easily, tribal chief role and all.
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32. "RE: Who does the choosing?" |
That's why I think we'll have 3 tribes of 6, like in All-Stars. Just think about it: probably 1 man and 1 woman will leave immediately (it's very unlikely to get rid of 2 men or 2 women), so then we'll have 9 men + 9 women = 18 castaways. The only way to avoid an unfair gender imbalance is by forming 3 tribes, 3 boys and 3 girls per tribe. I just don't see how else this new twist could work.
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01-14-05, 07:32 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 07:34 PM (EST)A question, and forgive me if I missed seeing the answer elsewhere. Is there a reason why everyone is assuming that they will split into two (or three) tribes on the first show? We are told by TES they live together as one tribe. Did they say 'they start together' or did they imply an end to the one tribe thing? It's not impossible that they stay all together for several days, is it? I'm not convinced that they are two tribes at the first tribal council.
Then. I keep coming back to:
Survivor: Palau will feature 20 contestants, three of whom will be booted at the end of the first episode. "They're given very little instruction about what to do, and some of them are genuinely lost," exec producer Mark Burnett tells Variety. "Two people don't make it to the first challenge. That's how tough it is. It's very emotional." This quote above says to me: some survivors are genuinely lost, and two of them don't make it to the first challenge. How many is 'some'? I've always thought 'some' was more than 2. An entire boat load of them? It also says that three survivors will be booted at the end of the first episode. I don't yet want to make the assumption that two of them are the ones who didn't make it to the first challenge. (another note--MB uses the word 'first' challenge, which generally implies there are more than one. Of course, they could just be reward and immunity, but those aren't the only options. Likely the first challenge is a reward challenge, correct? So that wouldn't automatically get the missing survivors booted). I think there are two concepts here that seem to go together, but might not--just because they were strung together by the journalist, doesn't mean squat. So the two concepts need to be seperated, or at least discussed seperately to appease the wheeze. Mostly? Because one is journalistic hearsay and one is a quote. concept 1 comes from TVGuide's reporter: 3 survivors booted at the end of episode 1. concept 2 is a direct MB quote: Some are genuinely lost, and 2 don't make it to the first challenge. MB doesn't directly say anything about when the three survivors are booted. That fact was gathered in the interview, and could be a mistake-- 'at the end' instead of 'by the end'. Or it could be right on, and all three go at once in one big single tribal council with all 20 people there.
 ---> again, tell me if I missed something, and I will apologies a hundred times. *edited for errant tags
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01-14-05, 10:11 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
I think the concept of two tribes has to do with the blue buff in one vid cap and the green "tribal" sign shown in the previews.
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01-14-05, 11:51 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
Is there a reason why everyone is assuming that they will split into two (or three) tribes on the first show?The primary reason for me is that a 20 or 18-person TC is just too unwieldy, creates too much opportunity for a tie, and would be a flat-out drain on everyone involved. The TCs take several hours in real time to complete as it is. Can you imagine how long they would take with a cast of 18 or 20? Beyond that, we have visual confirmation of a blue buff and a green (nameless) tribal flag. The assumption I'm making is that they team up at least for immunity and the subsequent TC, if not more permanently. An individual IC with 18 or 20 players is also too cumbersome to run and have it make for good TV. I just can't bring myself to believe that we're dealing with a purely individual game right out of the chute like this. But yeah, I'm making some assumptions here. We are told by TES they live together as one tribe. Did they say 'they start together' or did they imply an end to the one tribe thing? It's not impossible that they stay all together for several days, is it? They only said they "start the game" as one tribe of 20. That could last anywhere from an afternoon to several days. I believe they'll be teamed up before they go to the first IC (based on the vidcap of Kimberly wearing the blue buff, which looks to be in camp, pre-IC.) I'm not convinced that they are two tribes at the first tribal council. I'm really hoping they are. A TC that looks like a reunion show would have to be severely edited and presents the risks I pointed out above. Survivor: Palau will feature 20 contestants, three of whom will be booted at the end of the first episode. "They're given very little instruction about what to do, and some of them are genuinely lost," exec producer Mark Burnett tells Variety. "Two people don't make it to the first challenge. That's how tough it is. It's very emotional." This quote above says to me: some survivors are genuinely lost, and two of them don't make it to the first challenge. How many is 'some'? I've always thought 'some' was more than 2. An entire boat load of them? It also says that three survivors will be booted at the end of the first episode. The CBS promo language is "by the end of the night, 3 will be going home". There isn't any official language from CBS or MB that I've seen that says the 3 go at the end of the episode. I think sloppy journalism is at work here, because... I don't yet want to make the assumption that two of them are the ones who didn't make it to the first challenge. That wouldn't be much of an assumption. The direct quote from MB is "2 don't make it to the first challenge". That's pretty cut and dried. 2 are booted before the first IC, and 1 goes post-IC (presumably in the traditional fashion of being voted out at in an episode-ending TC). another note--MB uses the word 'first' challenge, which generally implies there are more than one. Well, I think "first" here means first of the season, not the episode. There could be more than one challenge in the first episode, but I don't think that one can assume that based on MB's quote here. I think there are two concepts here that seem to go together, but might not--just because they were strung together by the journalist, doesn't mean squat. concept 1 comes from TVGuide's reporter: 3 survivors booted at the end of episode 1. Bad preposition usage here. 3 go home by the end of E1, 2 before the first challenge, and 1 after.
concept 2 is a direct MB quote: Some are genuinely lost, and 2 don't make it to the first challenge.
To my eyes, the usage of the word "lost" here is a psychological reference, not a physical one. It may also be a dig at the ABC show of the same name. What he's getting at here is that he's stayed one step ahead of the cast yet again. They assumed certain things, like the size of the cast, that there would be more direction from Probst & Co., that they would be safe for at least 3 days, etc. And he's pulled the wool over their eyes yet again. He's tooting his own horn at how clever he is, but he's not going to give up how those first 2 are eliminated. We know they make the beach. All 20 are present in vidcaps on the beach. We know they're gone before the IC because of his quote. So somewhere between landfall and the beginning of the IC is where they get the axe.
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01-15-05, 02:50 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
He wise, the Fester.Okay, so MB's quote "Two don't make it to the first challenge" means they get booted? Or did CBS state this as well? (Sorry if I'm coming off like a chowderhead here. I was thinking of the possibility of two of them going off to find water and getting lost, then not making it to the challenge...which would also be emotional, since the others would be torn at what to do, and worried). ---> thanks festah! Wheeze * Wheeze's Blog
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39. "To what event does Jeff lead them?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-16-05 AT 01:46 PM (EST)Fester, great work on your summary! Nice piece of analytical work; very sound logic and reasoning. So, building on your conclusion: "We know they make the beach. All 20 are present in vidcaps on the beach. We know they're gone before the IC because of his quote. So somewhere between landfall and the beginning of the IC is where they get the axe." We have seen the vidcaps of Jeff leading the survivors down the beach. Jeff only appears for important events, so we can assume that something important happens when the arrive at their destination.
Since Jeff is leading them, we can assume that no one gets lost on their way to the event. Since Jeff appears we can conclude that tree mail was not involved. We have been told that "two don't make it to the first challenge", so Jeff is not taking them to the first challenge (unless two are eliminated by some selection method just prior to the start of the challenge.) Since Jeff is taking them somewhere away from their camp, the event must require some sort of props or structure. (a simple picking of tribes and handing out buffs could take place at their camp) Since it's daytime when Jeff leads them down the beach, the two eliminated before the challenge are probably not eliminated by a TC vote. (MB would want to unveil the new TC in it's full grandeur at night) MB has been quoted stating the elimination of three survivors in the first episode is "by design"...so, Jeff is probably taking them to some kind of event that will result in the elimination of two of the contestants (who would be whisked away by speed boat waiting on the beach), and perhaps includes the formation or selection of tribes (Koror and Ulame?). 
The "blue buff" Kimberly is shown wearing confirms that tribes will be formed during EP1. The fact that she is seen wearing one suggests she's not one of the first two eliminated.
Since EP1 usually only has one Challenge included (either day2 or day3)it's possible that it could happen either after the elimination event or the next day. So, while it's not clear exactly where or what the event is to which Jeff is leading the survivors, there's a good chance that only 18 contestants will remain when it's over... 
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40. "RE: To what event does Jeff lead them?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-16-05 AT 08:13 PM (EST)Great thoughts KB! The thing that I keep thinking of is why is Jiffy walking them down the beach? In the past, most of the challenges have consisted of the tribes arriving to a Jiffy standing still in a specified location. Usually even during explaining the challenge he is shown to be standing still. The cameras concentrate on the contestants coming into the challenge beach. I am not sold on the pics of Jiffy walking them somewhere is on challenge beach. This could be at camp and like you said he could be taking them to a structure where a picking of tribes or something like that takes place. However, could the pics of Jiffy walking them down the beach come from a behind the scenes type thing. Like from some of the preview shows we get? If so, this may not be part of the first show. Also, I know it is very unusual to get caps from future shows but could the pic of Kimberly in the blue buff be from a future show? I know during one of the seasons we actually got the second or third boot because they showed a clip preseason of a tribe going to TC. Lots of thoughts...what do you guys think? 
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46. "Ashlee, Jenny, and their overshirts" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-17-05 AT 10:37 AM (EST)It may be worth noting here that this is a second overshirt Ashlee has on for modesty. Initially (and I'm guessing initially, because in the cap she stills seems like she's drying off from the boat trip in) she's wearing a gray tank top (presumably James's) to cover up. Now she has a black top on. Any thoughts on who this originally belonged to? 
Also, in the marching shots with Probst, Jenny is wearing what appears to be a man's long-sleeve shirt. We know James has a gray tank top, Willard has a dark blue/black polo shirt, Tom has an FDNY t-shirt, Coby has a pink shirt, and Ian has an olive short-sleeve button-front shirt. So perhaps this shirt belongs to Jeff, Jonathan, Gregg, Bobby, or Ibrehim? I suppose it could be James's too, since he likely had something on over the tank top. Anyway, it might be a clue to early bonds. Fester
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58. "RE: Behind the scenes..." |
Have you seen the footage that is in the media kit?
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01-17-05, 01:49 AM (EST)
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43. "ritual" |
Ahem. Hello - first time on the spoiler board (posting, that is).Anyhow, one thing has bothered me about all the speculation of the first two boots, and that is MB's statement (that I've heard him say a number of times promoting the show) that part of the compelling human drama of the show is that it is based on ritual. We've all seen enough Survivor to get a slightly annoyed but comforting feeling from seeing something like the last 3 people walking through coals, or some kind of "island spirit" challenge, whatever. At any rate, a large focus of the show is having people voted out in the ritualistic tribal council, and I have a hard time believing that they would sway from this. Having a "schoolyard pick 'em" of tribes and having the last two people eliminated is... well, anticlimactic. The makers of the show like to build things up, to make their "unscripted drama" have a story arc that is safe and comfortable for the viewer - in other words, they like to be unpredictable only to the extent that the viewer still has things to take for granted. Of course, I don't see how they can have three people voted out at tribal council, especially with the quote "two of them don't make it to the first challenge". Still, I'm not sold on the idea that MB & co. would mess with the show's traditions.
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44. "RE: ritual" |
Welcome TV! Good insights...It's obvious from your post that you have a good understanding of Survivor and I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts with us this season. You mentioned..."Still, I'm not sold on the idea that MB & co. would mess with the show's traditions." Some form of a tribal selection process or reshuffling has occured in most of the more recent Survivor seasons. In fact,we might even say that the tribal selection process has evolved to become one of "the show's traditions", in which case using some kind of selection process for elimination would not really be messing with tradition, but rather an evolution of an established element of the show. I agree that two people being eliminated without a TC seems anti climactic, but it appears the the traditional TC to eliminate the third member will be edited as the real climax. I'm sure the editing will show the first two eliminated as "obvious choices", since we haven't had a chance to form much of an opinion, and the climactic "surprise" will be the traditonal vote at TC. Anyway, thanks for posting your ideas TV. Hope to see you around often this season.
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45. "All bets are off" |
I felt the same way when the rumors were flying around before S7 of a "Ghost Tribe" of voted out players coming back into the game. I thought there would be no way that MB would violate the primary ritual in the game--"Fire Equals Life". But he did. Now? Anything's possible.We've also had the Purple Rock of Doom. That eliminated a Final Four player in a very undemocratic (read: anti-Survivor) way. I hear you about MB's hang up with tradition and ritual, but he's also about shaking things up. I'm leaning very heavily toward some sort of elimination during the tribal selection process. It won't be the last 2 to camp, because we've seen them all on the beach. It won't be some sort of elimination challenge, because MB has said the first 2 go before the first challenge. We know that tribes are selected at some point during E1. It seems to be the logical conclusion (at least at this point) that it's in the tribal selection process that the first 2 are eliminated. The only other possibility in my mind is some sort of instant vote-out after all 20 Survivors are split into the 2 tribes. However, this presents the possibility of a tie, and would be incredibly awkward. Also, I can't see MB having a tribal vote outside of TC, and I can't see both tribes going to TC not having run any challenges. Not to mention 3 TCs in one episode is a lot to ask of your audience. One last thing is the look on Kimberly's face in the vidcaps where she's wearing her buff. She looks very somber. I know it's a lot to read into a 1-2 second film clip, but she doesn't look like someone who's happy to have formed new tribes. She looks a bit apprehensive, like someone who's just dodged a bullet or is dealing with someone having been voted out. In other words, it looks like the post-TC faces we've grown accustomed to seeing on the faces of the remaining Survivors. Again, I don't want to read too much into that, but it's food for thought. Fester
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01-19-05, 04:43 PM (EST)
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65. "Each person picks the next one...?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-19-05 AT 04:46 PM (EST)Fester, what about a "democratic" tribe selection method? I still think the idea of them voting for two chiefs will take too long, and somehow I don't think MB will want to give anyone even a perceived authority at the very beginning. So, to further embellish what I was thinking up above: they arrive wherever, probably at the challenge site, and Jeff tells them that they each must pick a, say, rock out of a bag. He explains that all the rocks are yellow except for two which are purple. He will explain the significance of the purple rocks after everyone has drawn. So they draw, two people get the purple rocks and proceed to freak out, since they think they are going home. But -- instead, Jeff says to them, each of you must pick one person of the opposite gender that you would like to be on your tribe. So they each pick somebody. Then Jeff says to the second pair chosen, now you two must each pick someone to add to the tribe. And it continues, with each added pair picking their next tribe members, until there are only two people left. Jeff says, well, the two of you were not picked by anyone so you are going home. That way, it's more like the two people are getting voted out, since their fate did not depend on just two choosers passing them up, but everyone else passing them up along the way as well.
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64. "RE: One tribe at the beginning" |
A lot of good theories in this thread! How is this one for tribal makeup: Maybe for the first challenge they compete in 9 teams of 2 and the first five pairs to complete the challenge win immunity while the bottom 4 pairs have to go to TC? I dont know how it would work when there are an odd number of people though. But what if they just continued to have the bottom 3-4 pairs go to TC? It would shake up and maybe even prevent long term alliances since there could potentially be an infinite number of combinations of people attending TC in a given episode, but consistently having 6-8 castaways attending TC could inflame the "under-the-radar" syndrome. I just hope they find some way to prevent the now formulaic strategy of voting out the strong alpha types early-merge.
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